Open Forum: November 16, 2019

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  1. 8th Dan

    Shy Ted, What do you reckon

    Hazmohno – he’s just trying to be a smarty pants but isn’t any good at it. He did a face-plant this morning and is now bent on doing another.

  2. Fisky

    You can only marvel at the spectacular lack of judgment shown by the China doves in the Labor Party, specifically Dan Andrews signing onto the OBOR, Richard Marles calling for more joint military exercises with the PLA, and Kristina Keneally lecturing everyone on the need to pipe down about the PRC, etc, etc.

    Just appalling judgment all round. Embarrassing. That’s what happens when you put a bunch of useless party hacks who have never held down a real job in charge of policy.

    https://twitter.com/austinramzy/status/1195688077731061760

    Austin Ramzy
    @austinramzy
    More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents detail the origins and growth of the indoctrination program in Xinjiang, where a million or more predominately M0slem minorities have been held in a vast network of detention centers

  3. mh

    KD, final report:

    With 96 percent of precincts reporting the Democratic governor appears to have held on with 50.7 percent.

  4. egg_

    Doco on Youtube showing Cats been domesticated 10k y.a.

  5. Fisky

    That’s not to let the LNP off the hook either. Their government’s majority hangs on a wire with a United Front member holding the balance of power. So we can expect more of this pathetic kowtowing until it becomes totally untenable. That’s Australia’s destiny unfortunately – we’re always behind everyone else until we get overrun by events. Just look at The Australian’s embarrassing columnists (hello Robert G!).

  6. Ellie

    Have to be chicks with dicks.

    Fuck yeah! Getting strappy!

  7. 1735099

    What does that mean?

    It means you’re as thick as two short planks.

    I’m not interested in any Nasho who volunteered to join the army, because that’s not the issue I’m researching. I’m looking at the proportion of volunteer National Servicemen who once in the army, went to Vietnam.
    I’m also investigating the bizarre assumption that every balloted-in Nasho who served in Vietnam was, by definition, a volunteer, simply because he ended up there. That notion has been thoroughly debunked by others (such as Dapin) but persists, I think, because it fits well with Anzackery. It has been promoted here by those who assert, without any evidence, that all registrants knew upfront that the CMF was a viable and well understood option. My Hansard reference a few days ago puts the lie to that notion.
    What is really fascinating are the reasons why the absurdity (that a soldier can somehow simultaneously be a conscript and a volunteer) is entertained and rationalised.
    That’s a much more productive analysis.

  8. Mitch M.

    You can only marvel at the spectacular lack of judgment shown by the China doves in the Labor Party, specifically Dan Andrews signing onto the OBOR, Richard Marles calling for more joint military exercises with the PLA, and Kristina Keneally lecturing everyone on the need to pipe down about the PRC, etc, etc.

    Just appalling judgment all round. Embarrassing. That’s what happens when you put a bunch of useless party hacks who have never held down a real job in charge of policy.

    We might ask why it is the major political parties have refused to address the possibility that being economic hostage to China is economically, geopolitical wise and diplomatically demanding an obsequious disposition towards China.

  9. egg_

    Frank Elly continues the false narrative by describing last weeks fires as unprecedented.

    Nature doing the Greens’ controlled burn offs for them – aided by arsonists?

  10. John Constantine:

    That’s also something I’ve heard often—these protesters aren’t the most optimistic group. No rose-colored glasses here. “But we cannot give up,” one insisted, “because if we do, there will be no future for us anyway. We might as well go down fighting.”

    Something that the HK mob would like to do – tie in their plight to one of the other totalitarian regimes of the last century. Using washable ink, draw these numbers on their left forearm. 1261929. It’s the birthdate of Anne Frank. According to the records, she never got a tattoo.

  11. egg_

    “The BOM has refused to release the data showing the correlation between the new instruments and mercury thermometers but its likely the systematic bias in new sensors over thee mercury thermometers is +0.4C.”

    Mark Butler from their Liars Party will be all over this!

  12. bespoke

    So has numberwang come full circle and back to disputing some had the option to stay?

    *Trump is still president h/t Gab

  13. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    It will be interesting to see who Cats blame for all our ills when it becomes apparent that the Chinese, like Elvis before them, have left the building.

  14. Johno

    I’m looking at the proportion of volunteer National Servicemen who once in the army, went to Vietnam.
    Well, start with 5RAR. I know for a fact that they all volunteered to go. This does not mean that they volunteered for national service it means they volunteered for SVN.

    Can you see the difference? You consistently assert that all nashos were forced to go to SVN. I have consistently told you that every one I met volunteered, after being given a choice.
    You have now shifted the goal posts again. The question has always been did any nashos volunteer for SVN duty. Now you want to rearrange the deck chairs to some other equation.

    No, the question is “did any nashos volunteer for SVN.?” The answer is yes. Don’t ignore this one and go off on a tangent.

  15. Mater

    He did a face-plant this morning and is now bent on doing another.

    He’d be hard pressed to beat yours from yesterday.

  16. Snoopy

    You can only marvel at the spectacular lack of judgment shown by the China doves

    Doves? Or dung beetles?

  17. Johno

    This is the problem with trying to debate with Sniffy. As soon as you nail him with the truth. He immediately says “We weren’t talking about that we were talking about another thing”
    You don’t discuss in good faith. You have an agenda to push. That is all you have .You don’t pursue the truth,you just want affirmation of your distorted view of reality.

    Fifty years, go get a hobby FFS.

  18. feelthebern

    I cant believe less than 1.5mill people voted in the Louisiana election.
    What kind of turnout is that?

  19. Fisky

    MV, you need to stop running interference for the CCP. I know you love the regime, but it’s really not a good look.

  20. Fisky

    Damon Pang
    @damon_pang
    ·
    14h
    The #HongKong Govt confirms it DID NOT request the assistance from the #PLA & it was purely a self-initiated voluntary step taken by the garrison.

    Which means the move was entirely unconstitutional.

    Whoops!

  21. Mark from Melbourne

    What kind of turnout is that?

    At a rough guess, something not much above 50%. Not unusual really.

  22. Johno

    There are M4.6 people in Louisiana. M1.5 voted that is one in three of the total population. Sounds about right.

  23. Fisky, given the CCPs interest in the Port of Darwin, it will be cool to watch how they sort out the local strife to protect their economic interest.
    AFAIC they can have Darwin (all the shit* that comes with it).

    * literal meaning

  24. Johno

    Take out children, drunks, dope fiends,dumb bastards,illegals and the disinterested. Good result, not that the Dem won,just overall. What do you reckon Australia would get if it wasn’t compulsory.?

  25. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What kind of turnout is that?

    When Australia formed a federation of states and elected a federal government in 1901, voting was voluntary. Within ten years the political class were pushing for compulsory voting. Why?

    Because that’s how long it took for the public to wake up to the fact that, regardless of who they voted for, they ended up with politicians. And the politicians had a completely different agenda to what they spouted on about during election campaigns. So people couldn’t see the point of voting.

    Australians were much wiser back then.

  26. Fisky

    We might ask why it is the major political parties have refused to address the possibility that being economic hostage to China is economically, geopolitical wise and diplomatically demanding an obsequious disposition towards China.

    UQ is the front line in the struggle between the PRC consulate, its street thugs (“international students”), its bought-and-paid-for academics, versus practically everyone else who opposes police brutality, organ-harvesting, mass rape in XJ, etc. The University even censured one of its own student senate representatives for siding with HK. Really disgusting and cowardly behaviour, but when you are totally reliant on CCP $$$ for student fees, then it’s hardly surprising.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/04/we-cannot-be-seen-the-fallout-from-the-university-of-queenslands-hong-kong-protests

    (as an aside, I have previously noted a well-known socialist economist at UQ had openly expressed a desire for the CCP to win the trade war over Trump)

  27. Fisky

    You really have to marvel at the craven behaviour of nearly every university in Australia. Their governing bodies are totally fine passing motions on the usual SJW issues, but when it comes to a genuine civil rights issue, perhaps the biggest one in the world now, they are totally silent. Or even running interference.

  28. Johno

    I seem to remember an article by Frank Devine, years ago. He took the number of informal votes and the number who just did not vote and if memory serves me correctly I think he ended up with about 75% voting.
    Now, that is with compulsory voting. I reckon 50% would be a good turn out if it was voluntary.

  29. jupes

    He’d be hard pressed to beat yours from yesterday.

    Indeed. That was comedy gold!

  30. Fisky

    There are virtually no immediate prospects for reform within the PRC, but it wouldn’t be surprising if the anti-emperor-for-life forces are waiting to pounce on the HK debacle, XJ, the failing economy on the mainland, etc etc. Perhaps another round of purges is coming?

  31. Voluntary would give us 25-35% turnout.

    Voluntary with first past the post would make a mess of the gangrenous party.
    I’m a fan of non-compulsory voting and FPP.

    Upsides:
    1. First thing politicians have to do, is convince you to vote. Secondarily vote for them.
    2. Hard to claim a “mandate” when you get to power on less than 20% of the vote.

  32. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    MV, you need to stop running interference for the CCP.

    And you need to get out of the Battye Library and read Bastiat’s “The Law”.
    It’s available online.

    You might also like to take a gander at property prices in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and uni enrollments everywhere, and ask yourself why both are heading south.

    Hint – it’s the same reason.

  33. Dr Faustus

    QLD volunteers are required to lodge a Blue Card application before Dec. 1
    The new rule could see 15,000 volunteer firefighters banned from fighting fires

    Minimum 28 business days – unless you have any police record at all; any matter, anywhere, summary, convicted, not convicted. I was once on the wrong end of a police investigation for “threatening behaviour” towards an unwanted visitor. It was a vexatious complaint and went nowhere – but my blue card now takes about 12 weeks.

    And, as an unpaid Queensland volunteer, you can’t rescue, or put out burning children while your application is being considered. Although, if you are being paid, you can.

    Still, there’s a fair chance it will have rained in Queensland within 5 to 12 weeks.
    So probably no real harm done.
    Integrity of the system.
    Common sense.
    No, really.

  34. feelthebern

    Kaepernick worked out well today, but I just can’t see any franchise picking him up apart from Carolina as a backup.
    He’d slot in well to a system designed for Cam Newton.
    When you go through every teams depth chart, plus the expected quarterbacks in next years draft, there is no room for him in the NFL.
    I’m surprised he hasn’t popped up in the CFL.

  35. Fisky

    You might also like to take a gander at property prices in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and uni enrollments everywhere, and ask yourself why both are heading south.

    Nah, the Eastern capitals been going up for nearly 6 months now, Memoryfault.

  36. Tom:
    Wasn’t Mark Riley the journo that tried to get Tony Abbott to punch him out?

  37. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    last years CFA conference, interesting change over the last 4 years

  38. Fisky

    I really really hope Michael Bloomberg spends a billion bucks on his futile campaign, now that XJ is going viral and HK descends into civil war. Do you think he can beat Jeb’s! record of $100 million bucks per delegate??? I think he just might!

  39. lotocoti

    I’m a fan of non-compulsory voting and FPP.

    The UK has FPP.
    Blair won in 2005 with 35.2%. Sux be the 64.8% who wanted him gone.

  40. Dr Faustus

    In Constructive Dialogue news:

    Two federal MPs barred from entering China have been told they will need to “repent and redress their mistakes” if they want to visit the country.

    Liberal MPs Andrew Hastie and Senator James Paterson were due to travel to Beijing in December with Labor MP Matt Keogh as part of a study tour organised by think tank China Matters.

    On Friday the duo – both China critics – were told their visas had been denied.

    A Chinese Embassy spokesperson on Saturday issued a statement saying the country was open to “constructive dialogue and exchanges with people all around the world”.

    But it would “not welcome those who make unwarranted attacks, wantonly exert pressure on China, challenge China’s sovereignty, disrespect China’s dignity and undermine mutual trust between China and Australia”.

    “The colonial days of Western powers are long gone. China will never yield to colonization of ideas and values,” the embassy spokesperson said

    Dignity.
    And self-awareness.

  41. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Nah, the Eastern capitals been going up for nearly 6 months now,

    One dead cat bounce that is only apparent in rubbery grubbymint figures, does not herald a “recovery”, Fisky. CBD and near CBD apartment prices have dropped 40% in the last twelve months in Brisbane. Even more in Sydney and Melbourne – and that’s assuming you can find one that isn’t falling down. Or is built out of napalm.

    Have you started reading Bastiat yet?
    Think of the surge of pride you’ll feel, being able to actually make an informed comment.
    You can do it – I know you can.

  42. struth

    The UK has FPP.
    Blair won in 2005 with 35.2%. Sux be the 64.8% who wanted him gone.

    Were they banned from voting?

  43. Fisky

    “The colonial days of Western powers are long gone. China will never yield to colonization of ideas and values,” the embassy spokesperson said

    You are interfering colonialists. We are creating a glorious co-prosperity sphere!

  44. Johno

    I watched a show on Netflix last night called Jonah Hex. Do not watch this show. This is a public good notification. Do not watch.

  45. P

    Governor John Bel Edwards won statewide by 40,000 votes (+/-).
    In Orleans Parish JBE received over 100,000 votes more than his challenger, Eddie Rispone. An insurmountable hurdle to overcome.

  46. Snoopy

    “The colonial days of Western powers are long gone. China will never yield to colonization of ideas and values,” the embassy spokesperson said

    Karl Marx was a slope?

  47. Zatara

    I’m surprised he hasn’t popped up in the CFL.

    He can’t play the professional victim for cash game in the CFL

  48. egg_

    Wasn’t Mark Riley the journo that tried to get Tony Abbott to punch him out?

    The same.
    He’s no friend of the Right, but can’t talk sense to the Left, either – own goal?

  49. Infidel Tiger

    You might also like to take a gander at property prices in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and uni enrollments everywhere, and ask yourself why both are heading south.

    Melbourne and Sydney property prices are booming again.

    Which is actually terrible news.

  50. lotocoti

    Were they banned from voting?

    FFS.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    Storm in D-Town. Not at my joint yet.

    Rain, you motherless bastard.

  52. struth

    Does anyone know the email address for the Outsiders?
    I’ve been emailing Skynews as I don’t want to use facebook.
    I need to get to the actual show.

  53. 1735099

    No, the question is “did any nashos volunteer for SVN.?” The answer is yes. Don’t ignore this one and go off on a tangent.

    I have never argued that there weren’t Nashos who volunteered for Vietnam. However, I have consistently argued that not every Nasho who served in Vietnam was a volunteer. That goal post has never shifted and there is no “tangent”.
    I became interested in the question when I came across the myth, posted on the Anzac Day Commemoration Committee schools website, that claimed every Nasho in Vietnam was a volunteer. I did the necessary research through the AWM which took a great deal of time, and sent the results to the committee who removed the statement from their website and apologised. Mark Dapin referenced that in Australia’s Vietnam – Myth Vs History (p 41).

    Your contention is that every single Nasho in 5RAR volunteered to serve in Vietnam.
    Whilst that’s a very dodgy assertion, I’m not challenging it because I don’t have access to any evidence.
    Neither do you, of course, but we’ll let that through to the keeper.

    What I’m investigating is the proportion of soldiers who served in Vietnam who were not balloted in, but volunteered for the scheme. That’s not retrievable information for all Nashos (as far as I know), but it is for those who went to Vietnam via the Nominal Roll.

    I know that figure for my platoon (at a specific date, viz date of arrival in country) and it was 15%. If I can establish that figure across the whole 15380 that did serve and are listed on the Nominal Roll, I will know that exact proportion.

    That will become a piece of information that will inform that particular part of our history, and allow anyone who is interested to come to their own judgement about the issue. Apart from anything else, I’m a teacher, and that’s what teachers do. Rather than telling our students what to think, we provide them the information, and let them decide based on fact.

    I have no “agenda” except the truth.

    I want to get to the proportion for the whole cohort. I could be lazy and use the sample of 5 Platoon B Coy 7RAR in February 1970 and apply it to the whole 15380, but that would be sloppy.

    As for a “hobby” – calling out bullshit is enjoyable and productive.

    That’s why I hang about here. There’s a lot of it about on this site.

  54. notafan

    Apartment prices in Melbourne have been static for years.

    House prices are what matters.

  55. Entropy

    After reading Corcoran’s rewrite of the Moon is a harsh mistress, I moved on to Thomas A May’s A Sword into Darkness: hard sci fi about alien invasion. Good stuff and like Corcoran’s Aristillus novels, would make a great series on one of the streamers.

  56. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    As I just wrote, IT – dead cat bounce largely due to creative grubbymint bookkeeping.
    Mind you, there’s some nice apartments around – if you don’t mind a few cracks.

    Besides, whatever happens, it’s all the fault of the boomers.

  57. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Do not watch this show. This is a public good notification. Do not watch.

    Check out “Polar”, Johno. On Netflix movies.
    Older John Wick with a bad attitude.
    Never get between us oldies and our superannuation money.

  58. stackja

    P – Orleans probably has many dead voters who vote Dems often.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    He’s imputing your rep, Johno.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I have no “agenda” except the truth.’

    5o years and $15,000,000 worth of self-loathing and guilt.

    Ain’t it the troof.

  61. struth

    As for a “hobby” – calling out bullshit is enjoyable and productive.

    You couldn’t find your arse with both hands and a mirror.

    Hint, you’ve got to let go of one of your dicks first.
    Then you can start thinking about what is bullshit and what isn’t.
    You’ve embarrassed yourself so much here, I’m starting to believe a grenade or similar may have done more damage than blowing your knackers off.

  62. bespoke

    it’s all the fault of the boomers

    and Millennials 😎

  63. 8th Dan

    He did a face-plant this morning and is now bent on doing another.

    He’d be hard pressed to beat yours from yesterday.

    Weeell, he would be hard pressed to beat something that didn’t happen. Thanks for the link.

    Back in early August (no link .. I’m sure you know where it is) someone involved with the movie was quoted as saying Danger Close refers to mortar rounds, someone else said “artillery, not mortars”, another said “both artillery and mortars”, then you said “there’s no difference in terminology between Mortars and Artillery”.

    Yesterday, when you resumed your childish pursuit of it, I decided it was time to set the matter straight, so I did, as follows:

    It refers to artillery, rather than mortars.

    No, it doesn’t. It refers to either or both and more.

    But, since you don’t actually know what it means, don’t take my word for it. Try this instead

    danger close

    in close air support, artillery, mortar, and naval gunfire support fire, it is the term included in the method of engagement segment of a call for fire which indicates that friendly forces are within close proximity of the target.

    Ps: try to resist the urge to cut your wrists.

  64. feelthebern

    Tonight on Fox, is Nicole Kidman in Destroyer.
    Great story.
    Great production.
    I’ll go as far to say it’s the only Kidman project I’ve enjoyed.

  65. Overburdened:

    An alternative idea is to ship all the greenies, trannies, SJWs and any other sort of progressive fuckwit out to these communities and watch the magic happen.

    Another way around it –
    1. Bring in National Service.
    2. For Conscientious Objecters, serve out their 2 years delivering health/policing/education services to these places.
    3. Pay them at the same rates and conditions as our Medics/edgos/MPs.
    4. Funding from the Aboriginal budget.
    5. Watch the magic happen.

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘in close air support, artillery, mortar, and naval gunfire support fire, it is the term included in the method of engagement segment of a call for fire which indicates that friendly forces are within close proximity of the target.’

    This is indeed a definition of ‘danger close’, 8th Danielle.

    Specifically, the definition used by the United States Department of Defense (note the US spelling. Same as your link).

    Not the definition used by any Australian military ever. As your Dad would say, more Seppo bullshit [except when he claims it – refer ‘locked and loaded’].

    Try harder, girly.

  67. feelthebern

    I like the idea of voluntary national service for 12 months post high school.
    How about 1% off your marginal tax rate for life if you participate?

  68. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I’ll go as far to say it’s the only Kidman project I’ve enjoyed.

    Nicole Kidman looked good in every one of her movies.
    But most of them you had to turn the sound off to enjoy.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    To clarify – artillery, you clown.

  70. bespoke

    Don’t know about the rest, bern but you can do a 12 month stint in the RAAF.

  71. jupes

    KD stand down. Mater has got this.

  72. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I like the idea of voluntary national service for 12 months post high school.

    Why voluntary, ‘Bern? Why not everybody?
    National Service doesn’t have to be military. There’s lots of other things that need doing.
    It also doesn’t have to be twelve months. Three months is enough.

  73. jo

    feelthebern
    #3214229, posted on November 17, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    Tonight on Fox, is Nicole Kidman in Destroyer.
    Great story.
    Great production.
    I’ll go as far to say it’s the only Kidman project I’ve enjoyed.

    She is good in Malice.

  74. bespoke

    There’s lots of other things that need doing.

    Like what?

  75. lotocoti

    A severe storm with giant hail likely is moving northeast …

    How big is giant hail?
    Golfball size?
    Beachball size?
    Corolla size?

  76. feelthebern

    Haven’t seen Malice.
    Destroyer is a gritty LA crime story.

  77. struth

    It hit the Sunshine Coast

  78. feelthebern

    If you gave the punters 1% off their tax for life, all the smart kids would jump at the chance.

  79. Snoopy

    feelthebern
    #3214235, posted on November 17, 2019 at 4:39 pm
    I like the idea of voluntary national service for 12 months post high school.

    Can you imagine how much that would cost? For what benefit? It would be like an extended schoolies with a lifelong option for trauma claims. Plus complimentary taxpayer-funded gender reassignment.

  80. feelthebern

    Watching Oregon play Arizona.
    There’s a guy for Oregon who plays both side of the ball.
    Unheard of in this day & age.

  81. mh

    How big is giant hail?
    Golfball size?
    Beachball size?
    Corolla size?

    Hail around a lot of SE Qld this arvo.

    Courier Mail has the pics behind a paywall. But the homepage mentions cricket ball sized.

  82. Zatara

    you can do a 12 month stint in the RAAF.

    Yeah but, unless you want to sweep flightlines or peel spuds for your term of service you are going to need to commit a bit more time.

    12 months will barely get you through initial training in specialty jobs so it’s pretty unlikely the RAAF, or any other branch, is going to waste time and money sending you to them.

  83. Entropy

    It would be like an extended schoolies with a lifelong option for trauma claims.

    A year? Even I might have got laid.

  84. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    If you gave the punters 1% off their tax for life, all the smart kids would jump at the chance.

    And how long do you reckon it would take before the pollies got around that?
    When compulsory super was introduced it was tax free.

  85. min

    Just had a visit from granddaughter who is on a three day break before she starts her new day shift as resident in O &G at large Suburban hospital . She worked nights last week, 95 hours for the week . She tells me residents are resigning in droves and no more being recruited . Same problem was reported in a survey of young doctors in NSW last week . I thought there has been a problem with too many doctors however I bet they had not taken into account the increase in population.
    Here is me also thinking obstetrics a place where lots of joyous moments , no she only sees complications.

  86. Dr Fred Lenin

    You have to hand it to the Chinese , resoucefull people ,found a tptally new use for Aldi bags ,fill them with money and give them to the Wukkas Pardee ,amazing innit?

  87. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Can you imagine how much that would cost?

    Bugger-all if done properly, and only for three months.
    And probably no more than paying half of them Newstart.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    danger close

    in close air support, artillery, mortar, and naval gunfire support fire, it is the term included in the method of engagement segment of a call for fire which indicates that friendly forces are within close proximity of the target.

    Danger Close:

    on Catallaxyfiles,
    is the term used if someone tries to cut in front of Monty in the Discount Donut end of day line at the bakery,
    OR if someone tries to take a new Aldi catalogue out of Grigs letterbox.

  89. egg_

    A mortar is an artillery weapon which fires explosive shells. The shells are known as (mortar) bombs. They are fired at targets which are close, as mortars do not have long range. It has a short barrel which fires the mortar bomb at a low speed high into the air to reach its target.

  90. Snoopy

    Bugger-all if done properly, and only for three months.

    That deserves a post of its own, MV. Get to it and send it to Sinc.

  91. vr

    Apartment prices in Melbourne have been static for years.

    Not the ones I have been looking at. One went almost 240K above the highest in range provided

  92. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    12 months will barely get you through initial training in specialty jobs

    The idea wouldn’t be to turn them in F35 combat pilots.
    The objective would be to impart some structure and order into their lives, woefully missing from our education system these days.

    That, and tending to all those functions that rely heavily on volunteer labour anyway.

  93. BrettW

    Just watched a couple more Youtube updates on Hong Kong.

    One showed locals (yesterday) in the Pokfulam area clearing Pokfulam Rd which is a major road with access to one of the biggest hospitals. As they were doing so a firebomb of some sort thrown at them from above where students were on University grounds. Footage taken of the students showed one of them telling the others not to throw things at the people below. Some of the locals itching for a fight with them and clear no longer support the methods of the protesters. First vehicle through was an ambulance.

    In a BBC clip (last night) the BBC reporter asked a protester, at a University overlooking a Hong Kong cross harbour tunnel, about them blocking the tunnel nearby. Protester basically said the aim was to “force” Hong Kong people to join them. If the police try to enter that University campus it will get very nasty.

  94. Zatara

    Bugger-all if done properly, and only for three months.

    Given all the little buggers are ardent “environmentalists” nowadays perhaps a program like the old US Civilian Conservation Corps might be modified to suit today’s conditions and requirements.

    Of course you’d have to find someone who remembers the difference between conservation and environmentalism first.

  95. egg_

    She worked nights last week, 95 hours for the week

    Ridiculous hours with people’s lives at stake.
    Do the nursing staff pick up the pieces/slack?

  96. jupes

    It would be like an extended schoolies with a lifelong option for trauma claims.

    As accurate a description of the ADF in the 21st century as I’ve seen.

  97. bespoke

    They would be unionised and indoctrinated in SJW, brilliant!

  98. notafan

    Vr

    Should have been more specific.

    The undersized dogbox apartment prices have been static for years.

  99. Overburdened

    Given the widely spread photo of Prince Andrew and the young woman which is being used with her consent and is part of her evidence against him and shows no evidence of coercion, and the young woman’s reported comments regarding her travelling to exclusive locales in different Countries to root the aristocrat and be paid $15000 if my memory serves me correctly, I would say

    The suggestion of her being unwillingly molested appears fairly flimsy.

    The available data suggests she was paid entertainment.

    Neither of the two cover themselves in glory however it ends up.

  100. struth

    Like the yellow vests in France, the commos have most likely put their own guys in as Honk Kong Protestors to make protestors look bad and antagonise the decent citizens.
    Standard left wing playbook.
    Stand in amongst the right wingers and chuck a Nazi salute and get it fillumed, playbook.

  101. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    At least you’re on the right track, Zatara. Let’s think it through.

    First, it’s not compulsory in the normal sense. You can go off backpacking in Patagonia if you want, or just stay home and play computer games. What you can’t do is vote, attend tertiary education, or hold a job on the public payroll until you have satisfactorily completed your three month’s service.

    Next, military training is an option, but soldiering is not for everyone. For those who want to try it, three months is long enough to learn to form ranks, march in a straight line, look after and shoot a firearm, read a map, and a few other basics.

    Three months is also time enough to learn people movement control. Kids start offsiding some volunteer on school crosswalk patrol, and move on to conducting building evacuations according to already-established plans.

    Advanced first aid training is another much needed area, and those who show an aptitude can spend some time in an ambulance. Defensive driving is another sorely needed skill, and could be made a prerequisite for all jobs involving control of a motor vehicle.

    I could go on, but hopefully I’ve made my point.

  102. egg_

    Neither of the two cover themselves in glory however it ends up.

    JFK’s then underage intern, Mimi, did it for free when he couldn’t get hookers on the road, even when she was a newlywed.
    Star power.
    Apparently, Bob Hope would have 5 girls waiting to go into his hotel room in the late 1930s, according to one of his staff, such was his pulling power at the time (and had many mistresses throughout his long career).

  103. Fisky

    Oh my god. The Economist magazine is STILL running with this garbage.

    The Economist
    @TheEconomist
    The world would be twice as rich if everyone who wanted to migrate were allowed to, by one estimate

  104. struth

    The Economist
    @TheEconomist
    The world would be twice as rich if everyone who wanted to migrate were allowed to, by one estimate

    FMD.
    THE USA would be bloody crowded, that’s for sure.

    Wankers.

  105. Zatara

    I do see your point MV. I just have a basic issue with distracting the military from their primary task and worse, making them responsible for fixing society’s fark ups.

    Yes, military training can straighten out a wayward youngster, but the military spends valuable assets doing it and gets nothing in return.

    Moreover the military then becomes the scapegoat when the fix doesn’t work. Which, given the criticism-intolerant leadership now extant, further distracts it from it’s actual mission.

    So, how about we employ ex-service people to run an organization that does all the fieldwork you describe, the conservation projects I described, but leave off the weapons training and such.

  106. 8th Dan

    Mater … if you’ve had second thoughts, hold your arm above your head while you tie a tourniquet above your elbow, the call 000.

    Jupes … put on a clean pad, I think I’m the only one who noticed.

  107. Overburdened

    Before the SJWs start banging on about her age they should study the photo of the young woman in question.

    I think that regardless of the varying statutory ages of when it’s deemed ok to have sex, based on appearances she knew what’s up.

    If him rooting her puts him into legal jeopardy in whatever place rooting was alleged to have happened,
    then throw the book at him.

  108. struth

    Rolling Stone: Men Who Abstain From Porn Are Dangerous Alt-Righters

    The rest are left wing wankers??!!!

  109. Zatara

    The available data suggests she was paid entertainment.

    It also suggests she was a minor, possibly a runaway but at least recruited from a bad situation, flown to an unknown island, and made a sex worker.

  110. struth

    Yes, military training can straighten out a wayward youngster, but the military spends valuable assets doing it and gets nothing in return.

    Do you want to rethink that statement?

  111. Zatara

    Do you want to rethink that statement?

    Nope.

    MV and I are discussing an organization whose term lasts 3 months.

    I’m quite familiar with the pros and cons of military training having spent almost 30 years participating in it.

  112. Overburdened

    Being of a mind that believes that everyone has a common value as an organism, star power is something I don’t subscribe to. Your description of this being normal behaviour for stars as such (naturally I consider the local mechanic to be an important person when my car needs maintenance or repair and not someone on television) does not persuade me that it is poor behaviour all round and quite shabby.

    In the spirit of. Art Whitehouse, I would throw a bucket of water over them.

  113. Overburdened

    …it is not poor behaviour…

  114. bespoke

    It would smother what’s left of volunteerism.

  115. Overburdened

    Zatara

    Look at the pic and marvel at her acting ability.

  116. Zatara

    Overburdened

    I caught a video interview of her earlier. Yep, she’s on the make big time and is going to squeeze everything she can out of this. But she was still a minor when it reportedly happened and there’s just no getting around that.

  117. Overburdened

    FMD

    I was referring to Mary not Art.

  118. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    samba time

  119. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    So, how about we employ ex-service people to run an organization that does all the fieldwork you describe, the conservation projects I described, but leave off the weapons training and such.

    I repeat, Zatara, military training is just an option, and a voluntary one at that. My explanation above started off by listing the things a person couldn’t do, without satisfactory completion of their national service.

    If some kid makes a nuisance of himself doing the military option, he gets turfed, simple as that. It’s then up to him to get himself into, and complete something else, assuming he ever wants to vote, attend uni or TAFE, collect the dole, or work in a government job.

    As for the actual military training, we don’t need brigades of qualified people turning out kids ready to take their place in the SASR. There are already several hundred non-coms sitting around supervising car pools and the like, capable of providing the training, who would probably enjoy the break.

  120. Overburdened

    Being a minor therefore makes an individual automatically a victim, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

    I am in not suggesting that the aristocrat should not be charged if a crime has been broken based on her age in whatever place that would be in play.

    That would I think be all he could be charged with.

  121. Zatara

    Being a minor therefore makes an individual automatically a victim, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

    Age of consent in both the US and UK was 16 at the time so if she was 16 or above he’s clear on that one.

    Now he just needs to get past the sex slave/#Metoo/Weinstein phenomena.

  122. bespoke

    Minors have diminished responsibility for good reason. Predators including the pollical ones are looking for excuses to exploit them.

  123. How can an Australian university punish a student for holding a pro democratic point of view in Australia?

    UQ needs to be cut off from funding. Kick them in the slats.

  124. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    bannon still on point

  125. Professor Martin Goldberg and why partisanship is not in your best financial interest.

  126. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    UQ needs to be cut off from funding. Kick them in the slats.

    Yeah.
    What we need is a committee to implement it. I suggest Tony Abbott, Greg Hunt, and Missy Sissy Pyne as members, with Chris Turney advising.

  127. Professor Martin Goldberg and why (some) businesses (sometimes) love regulation.

  128. I suggest Fisk, JC, myself, Graeme Bird and John Humphreys.

    There will be more cuts than at fruit carving competition.

  129. dover_beach

    Watching 9 News. They had a story on the British election involving attempts to register people without a fixed address. The people were firm Remainers. Surprise surprise. Next item was yellow vests protests in Paris. The footage was of ANTIFA stooges breaking things. You could see a yellow vest at all. They were all dressed in black and masked. That’s globalist news for you.

  130. feelthebern

    Matt Taibbi on Joe Rogan.

  131. cohenite

    Louisiana and Kentucky, red states in the 2016 election now have demorat governors.

  132. feelthebern

    The longer two people who hate Trump passionately (Rogan & Taibbi) discuss it, the more I want to unload on Trump 2020.
    Trump is a lock.

  133. Mater

    8th Dan,
    I’ve just got back and noticed your comment. That has got to be one of the most convoluted, confusing attempted ‘gotchas’ I have ever seen. A clearer explanation of what you think I said would be appreciated.

    If you are trying to obscure a medal winning face plant with bullshit, you are succeeding…but only to yourself. Your comment, and it’s misattribution, was quite clear to everyone.

    I know very well what ‘Danger Close’ means and what it applies to (as opposed to Bob). I’m qualified to call for fire, and have done on innumerous occasions. I have called in and provided terminal guidance for all manner of hardware from Mortars to Mavericks to 2000 pounders.

    In the future, I’d appreciate it if you ceased attributing Bob’s comments to me. I feel it imputes my reputation.

  134. Stimpson J. Cat

    There will be more cuts than at fruit carving competition.

    Maybe focus on cutting important things like immigration and student visas first Dot!!!!
    That will also solve a lot of these problems at the University level!
    Beep Boop!

  135. cohenite

    In some good news, Hollywood can still deliver: Ford v Ferrari is a gem, not a snowflake in sight, testosterone all the way, the cars are magnificent, the cinematography great and acting really good.

  136. mh

    the more I want to unload on Trump

    Phrasing

  137. Percy Popinjay

    ‘Mary Ann was a proud Worimi woman’
    The boilerplate ‘proud’. How do we know this? Who said she was proud? Is it taken for granted? Has there ever been an ‘ashamed’ Worimi or any other woman?

    That’s “Massive welfare bludger/tax hoover prood”.

    Dood.

  138. JC

    I understand OxyPete, but not Restoration Hardware. Try the sofas and you fall into to the middle like there’s a hole. I’m sick of this dude following my stock investments. I’ve had OxyPete in my never sell bucket for ages. 🙂

    Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Just Bought Restoration Hardware and Occidental Petroleum. Why Those Are Strange Stock Picks.

    By Avi Salzman

    On Friday, RH and Occidental Petroleum were up 5.6% and 2.9%, respectively. Photograph by Jason Kempin/Getty Images for RH

    Warren Buffett has left much of his company’s stock-picking to two of his deputies at Berkshire Hathaway —Ted Weschler and Todd Combs. But even if Berkshire’s new stock picks in the latest quarter aren’t the direct work of the Oracle of Omaha himself, they’re still substantial, given the company’s history and record.

    Berkshire (ticker: BRKA) bought new stakes in RH (RH), the parent company of furniture retailer Restoration Hardware, and Occidental Petroleum (OXY). The positions weren’t huge—1.2 million shares of RH,

    No kidding, when we were looking for sofas in the US, we went to Restoration Hardware and found their sofas having terrible cushioning.

  139. bespoke

    cohenite

    At least one of the Democrat’s is pro life/2nd so that may explain why.

  140. feelthebern

    People will vote for Trump, plus whoever else is on the red side of the ticket.
    The punters really couldn’t give a shit about the GOP & the mid-terms.
    It’s Trump mania.

  141. JC

    I mentioned the movie a few weeks ago, Cronkite. I should be pleased with your inadvertent flattery, but I’m not seeing it’s you.

  142. Stimpson J. Cat

    No kidding, when we were looking for sofas in the US, we went to Restoration Hardware and found their sofas having terrible cushioning.

    You and Lizzie should go sofa shopping together JC.
    And liveblog it.
    Everyone would love it.

  143. feelthebern

    My first Trump nibble was at 2.38.

  144. JC

    feelthebern
    #3214337, posted on November 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    People will vote for Trump, plus whoever else is on the red side of the ticket.
    The punters really couldn’t give a shit about the GOP & the mid-terms.
    It’s Trump mania.

    The D’rats lost big in the 2010 midterms. The Kenyan still won in 12 though.

  145. vr

    Louisiana and Kentucky, red states in the 2016 election now have demorat governors.

    The Louisiana guy is the 2nd term governor. kentucky for most of the last 50 year has had a democrat gov.

  146. vr

    No kidding, when we were looking for sofas in the US, we went to Restoration Hardware and found their sofas having terrible cushioning.

    RH has overpriced stuff. Room and Board (maybe a mid-western chain) and DWR are great.

  147. struth

    I’m quite familiar with the pros and cons of military training having spent almost 30 years participating in it.

    So in the event of a war, a basically trained population would be of no benefit?
    A patriotic nation would be of no benefit?

  148. JC

    Stimson, no. Ain’t going to happen.

    On a serious note, I really don’t get the RH investment by the 89 year old autist. I’ve actually been watching this stock for a long time and was thinking about buying it a few years back. Two things swayed me against it though.

    1.The fucking CEO spent $100 million that year on the glossiest most glossy product brochure I’ve ever seen. It was actually a piece of art. That’s not good.

    2. The sofas are shit awful to sit in as you fall right into a hole and therefore uncomfortable

    If the fucker stopped spending so much on the booklet and put the money toward improving the product.. well that would be good.

  149. Geriatric Mayfly

    Advertised as ” Olde charismatic, cats banned, abundant foliage in full leaf,” three Golden Whistlers turned up today for an inspection. Frenzied calls and counter-calls from various vantage points; to them, no doubt, full of one up-man-ship and dire warning. To the human ear, a most agreeable conversation riding the afternoon airwaves.

  150. Shy Ted

    Those global warming hailstones in SE Qld are all over the news. Huge. I reckon they are unprecedented in their hugeness. I’ll check BOM tomorrow and find they’re even huger. After aggregation. I’ll be the first to say it, this is a hailstone emergency. Politicians could stop this if only they stopped playing politics. Only a hailstone tax can prevent this happening again. We’ve got to stop mining hailstones and exporting them to China. There are already reports of activists gluing themselves to hailstones. Won’t someone think of the hailstone’ children? These hailstones have stolen my future. How dare they?

  151. bespoke

    If JC hates the sofas you know what that means. 😎

  152. Zatara

    Kentucky for most of the last 50 year has had a democrat gov.

    Beven, the Rep candidate, was not loved to say the least. He pissed off the teachers union big time for one thing. He was also 25+ points behind in the polls before Trump did a campaign rally with him last week.

    The fact that they got it down to a 0.37% margin is impressive.

  153. JC

    vr

    RH showrooms are really well decked out – incredible actually. They have this amazing building in the Flat Iron district that is one of the best I’ve seen. I took a slash in their toilet and they’ve even got piped in music. It’s several floors and their Tribeca store is just as grand.

    I dunno how they fucking make money. Also, they have great looking gals working there though so that could be a draw card…. but lots of gay dudes which isn’t 🙂

  154. Percy Popinjay

    It rubs the lotion on its skin

    LOL.

  155. JC

    If JC hates the sofas you know what that means. 😎

    No, I/we don’t know what it means. You gotta try out stuff before you buy something like a sofa, you donkhead.

  156. vr

    JC — They are Abercrombie & Fitch for the middle-aged set.!

  157. Farmer Gez

    struth
    #3214289, posted on November 17, 2019 at 5:44 pm
    Rolling Stone: Men Who Abstain From Porn Are Dangerous Alt-Righters

    The rest are left wing wankers??!!!

    I’m a joker
    I’m a smoker
    I’m a midnight stroker.

  158. Infidel Tiger

    The longer two people who hate Trump passionately (Rogan & Taibbi) discuss it, the more I want to unload on Trump 2020.
    Trump is a lock.

    Crazy John McAfee basically outed Rogan as a closet faggot this week. Very funny stuff.

  159. Shy Ted

    Don’t try this at home but I think olive oil is even worse than palm oil for DIY enlargements. The worst thing is that vegan women now seem to find me irresistible.

  160. JC

    Crazy John McAfee basically outed Rogan as a closet faggot this week.

    McAfee is seriously insane. Like off the solar system insane.

  161. I think the Israeli defence force allows young Israelis to do national service by joining some sort of cyber-security unit for a couple of years. ‘Graduates’ command good jobs. But would such a program in Oz be compromised by potential 5th columnists?

  162. 8th Dan

    No gotchas Mater, attempted or otherwise. Just facts about who said what back on the early August Forum. I attributed no comments to you but your own. Try not to accuse me of things I didn’t do.

    If you actually were in Afghanistan and/or Iraq, I’m sure you were careful to let the B52 pilots know that their leaflets might fall on innocent unarmed farmers.

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    Visited a great family of a young man under major surgery at the amazing Walter Reed Medical Center. Those are truly some of the best doctors anywhere in the world. Also began phase one of my yearly physical. Everything very good (great!). Will complete next year.

    He needs to live for at least 5 more years. C’mon Don!

  164. Mater

    In some good news, Hollywood can still deliver: Ford v Ferrari is a gem, not a snowflake in sight, testosterone all the way, the cars are magnificent, the cinematography great and acting really good.

    Agreed.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Mcafee is a run of the mill libertarian.

    Druggie. Animal fucker. Low taxes.

  166. Percy Popinjay

    olive oil is even worse than palm oil for DIY enlargements

    Some of the most insane imbeciles to have blighted this blog swear by it.

    Jinmaroo and Skan Kee-Ho spring to mind (unfortunately).

    Pol Dot, is of course, intimately acquainted with both.

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    RH showrooms are really well decked out – incredible actually. They have this amazing building in the Flat Iron district that is one of the best I’ve seen. I took a slash in their toilet and they’ve even got piped in music. It’s several floors and their Tribeca store is just as grand.

    Imagine this as a TV show – Catallaxy Sofa Shopping starring Lizzie and JC, filmed and directed by Arky.
    It would be an incredible study in contrasts.

    Lizzie “This sofa speaks to me of the enigmatic Celts, and it’s colors are reminiscent of Arthur’s quest(the heroes journey) for the Grail through The Mythic Green of England….”

    JC “It hurts my arse to sit on it and it’s f$cking hideous, it looks like it was made by blind retrenched crippled Ikea staff without hands. “

  168. JC

    Artie

    He likely murdered someone on a Caribbean island where he was living.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3214368, posted on November 17, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    Mcafee is a run of the mill libertarian.

    Druggie. Animal fucker. Low taxes.

    That’s all OK.
    But is he an open borders nut?

  170. Steve trickler

    Nice work, Fleccas.



  171. Shy Ted

    Economics question. Been reading a bit about the travails of Deutsche Bank and what it’ imminent failure will mean for the global economy. Some say worse than the GFC. Any thoughts for what it might do to share prices? Thanks in advance. (Sorry to ruin the economics blog with economic stuff but money can be quite important sometimes).

  172. Percy Popinjay

    IKEA Showrooms with Lizzie and JC – Sunday evenings on SBS*.

    Stimps, that’s such a staggeringly stupid concept you should have been a commercial FTA TV executive.

    Hugely unwatched wouldn’t even come close to describing it.

    *Produced by Arkers.

  173. dover_beach

    Anyone know who is worth following re cost of electricity by source on the net?

  174. Percy Popinjay

    Any thoughts for what it might do to share prices?

    Lemmings on the loose.

  175. Mater

    No gotchas Mater, attempted or otherwise. Just facts about who said what back on the early August Forum. I attributed no comments to you but your own. Try not to accuse me of things I didn’t do.

    Ok, let’s play the tape. Do try to follow.

    Mater
    #3128127, posted on August 10, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Not really.
    It refers to artillery, rather than mortars.

    Bullshit.
    There is no difference in terminology between Mortars and Artillery. The only difference is the proximity to troops where Danger Close protocol comes into effect. That also varies with Artillery (ie. 105mm versus 155mm).

    Then yesterday:

    8th Dan
    #3213076, posted on November 16, 2019 at 9:55 am

    It refers to artillery, rather than mortars.

    No, it doesn’t. It refers to either or both and more. Surely you used it when you were calling in those B52s while hunkered down next to peace-loving Afghan farmers?

    Please take note that the indentations within the quote mean someone else’s comment…in the case of the August comment, it was Bob’s.

    It will take it then that you were correcting Bob. I apologise for thinking that your snide comment was directed at me*. Carry on.

    *Yes that was sarcasm. Look that term up in Google!

    P.S. I’ve only responded to your transparent, childish shit because I was bored. But this is the end of this round, things to do.

  176. Leigh Lowe

    So, the state of Australian cricket.
    Three players have pulled the pin with “full mental jacket” issues.
    Another one (Pattinson) sledges someone in a Sheffield Shield match and gets rubbed out.
    FMD.
    Stick a fork in us etc etc.

  177. Bruce of Newcastle

    IKEA Showrooms with Lizzie and JC – Sunday evenings on SBS*.

    I doubt it. Neither Lizzie nor JC are that sufficiently woke.

    FESTIVE FEAST Ikea is ditching meat from its Christmas menu this year (28 Oct)

    The flat-pack furniture giant has scrapped all meat-dishes on the Christmas menu across all of its stores.

    From November 4, Ikea shoppers can instead choose from a brie and cranberry tart and vegan vegetable tarts and mince pies.

    The £4.25 cheese tart is made from puff pastry, cranberry chutney, brie cheese, topped with hazelnuts and pumpkin seeds – and is served with roasted root veg.

    While the £3.95 vegan tart option comes with puff pastry, glazed root vegetables and thyme – and it’s also served with vegetables including Brussel sprouts.

    Now insufferable Ikea customers can add flatulence to their social justice credentials.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Further on crickit.
    Ladies T20 on ABC news.

    Team X needed 5 off the last ball and Hilda Spiky-Hair delivered ….

    Roll tape.
    Hilda gets a half rat-power long hop and takes a swipe.
    She gets a top edge and the ball loops in the air and flops over the boundary 50 – 60 metres away.
    FFS.
    In a men’s park match that wouldn’t have been caught by deep mid-wicket because he wouldn’t have made the 40 metres from the fence to where the ball landed.
    But it would have been fielded for a maximum of two, and Hilda loses.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    The flat-pack furniture giant has scrapped all meat-dishes on the Christmas menu across all of its stores.

    Good.
    Those Svedish meatballs they sell in Ikea are revolting.
    Stick to selling shit furniture and leave the shit food to the Chinese food hall vendors.

  180. 8th Dan

    But this is the end of this round, things to do.

    Nice flounce.

  181. Infidel Tiger

    So, the state of Australian cricket.
    Three players have pulled the pin with “full mental jacket” issues.
    Another one (Pattinson) sledges someone in a Sheffield Shield match and gets rubbed out.
    FMD.
    Stick a fork in us etc etc.

    Absolute joke.

    Pattinson “sledged” one of his mates. No one cared and he still got rubbed out.

    I can only imagine he called him a fag or something similar.

  182. egg_

    does not persuade me that it is (not) poor behaviour all round and quite shabby.

    +1

    Mimi was highly narcissistic and personally recruited as an intern by JFK himself; her husband left her when she fessed up on JFK’s assassination and she wasn’t welcome to her ex’s funeral later in life, even though they had a kid together – she was banging JFK whilst pregnant to her husband.
    Hope’s mistresses had similar tales – all broken people.
    My motto: cuckolders must enjoy sloppy seconds.
    Yew.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    three Golden Whistlers turned up today for an inspection

    GM – I wish I could be so optimistic, but sadly the kookaburras and the indian mynahs had a MAD event. They destroyed each others nests, as far as I can tell. The kookas decamped a couple days ago to try elsewhere, although they still come back for a feed.

    The last critters to survive a nuclear armageddon will be indian mynahs, after they’ve eaten all the cockroaches.

  184. Rossini

    Long forgotten indian mynah trap had a couple of them in it this week.
    Oh well!

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Absolute joke.

    Pattinson “sledged” one of his mates. No one cared and he still got rubbed out.

    I can only imagine he called him a fag or something similar.

    I don’t care if he accused him of murdering the Beaumont children and bombing Dresden whilst rooting a donkey.
    Fast bowlers need to have just a little bit of xuntiness in their demeanour, and batsmen need to harden the fuck up and not chow down on a bottle of medication a day to deal with their “issues”.
    I remember years ago Athletics Australia constantly rubbing out a 100 metre sprinter (name escapes me) because he had a similar streak.
    Helloooo.
    If he isn’t just a little bit of an arrogant prick and shows that he isn’t going to take a backward step, he gets chewed up and spat out when up against world class sprinters.

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Serves you right for watching that shit.

    Collectively, the crickchicks are only one step away from the blind punters that play with the bell in the pill, and they’ve got a better work ethic to boot.

  187. calli

    Top O’ the mornin’ Cats! Off to Rio today.

    Thanks for the info on the Dante house, Lizzie. Back in BA in five weeks so will try to check it out. Feet survived the tango lesson, but only just. Went to a show where there was a gaucho guy who did a bolo demmo – those b alls on strings that they used to bring down animals with. Remarkable. Also some tango dancers – super macho stuff from the guys, dressed in pinstripe suits with tight coats and loose trousers, 40’s style, the ladies with split dresses up to their armpits. 😁

    I see I got zinged on the calli Attenborough stuff. Fancy fact checking that. Chortle.

    Play hard. Plane to catch.

  188. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3214398, posted on November 17, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    LL,

    Serves you right for watching that shit.

    It happened to be on the news.
    Only 45 seconds wasted.
    Confirmed my view that Ladees BBL is a waste of time.

  189. Top Ender

    Have never been into an Ikea.

    Don’t they have cheap food to entice you in?

  190. calli

    Oh, and my group of six other travellers – we are all terrible climate deniers. Having some very funny conversations about the whole swindle. Most refreshing.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3214399, posted on November 17, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    Top O’ the mornin’ Cats! Off to Rio today.

    Watch where you shake your maraccas.

  192. calli

    I’m going to buy some of those, LL. On the list.

    The Beloved can do a Peter Allen impersonation at Boxing Day lunch. The children will be mortified, but the grandies will love it.

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nice flounce.

    That’s not a flounce.
    This is a flounce:

    NFL ‘Disappointed’ at Kaepernick for Not Appearing at Workout

    The NFL arranged a workout for Colin Kaepernick that was going to be attended by more than two dozen teams.

    However, after Kaepernick refused to agree to the league’s conditions regarding the workout, the league’s original anthem protester did a work out at a local Atlanta high school instead.

    “He informed us of that decision at 2:30 pm today along with the public.

    Today’s session was designed to give Colin what he has consistently said he wants – an opportunity to show his football readiness and desire to return to the NFL. Twenty-five (25) clubs were present for the workout, and all 32 clubs, their head coaches, general managers, and other personnel executives would have received video footage of the interview and workout, shot by the Atlanta Falcons video crew.

    The location Colin selected is more than an hour away”

    RTWT to get the exquisite flavour of what a full-grade thermonuclear flounce is like. Awe.

  194. Pattinson “sledged” one of his mates. No one cared and he still got rubbed out.

    What the hell?!

    Geez. Fired for banter.

  195. egg_

    1/8th testicle hanging around for attention?

  196. Roger

    The ABC helpfully informs its viewers that agriculture is the major “industry” in Moree Plains shire.

    Where would we be without them?

  197. Some History

    In defence of GangGreen by… Pontius Pirate:

    My Sunday column. Fer Chrissakes, get off the Greens’ case. They are the last ones who should be blamed. Fire at will. See if I care. Apocalypse Now: Bushfire threat prediction was right and it is not going away

    https://twitter.com/Peter_Fitz/status/1195820780392607745?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  198. Old School Conservative

    Pattinson “sledged” one of his mates. No one cared and he still got rubbed out.

    Homophobic slur and gets one game.
    Folau asks gays to repent and gets life.
    Yep, I can see the difference.

  199. Roger

    In defence of GangGreen by… Pontius Pirate

    That’s an insult to Pontius Pilate.

  200. egg_

    In defence of GangGreen by… Pontius Pirate:

    The pirate stood on the burning deck…

  201. Snoopy

    Homophobic slur and gets one game.

    Cricket is gay. Confirmed.

  202. Geriatric Mayfly

    AFRICAPublished 9 hours ago
    UK man, 32, nearly died after parasite crawled up penis, laid eggs as he swam in lake on Africa trip

    Alert Blue. Medivac! Medivac!

  203. Leigh Lowe

    Pattinson “sledged” one of his mates. No one cared and he still got rubbed out.

    What the hell?!

    Geez. Fired for banter

    I think he called someone’s mother a Tesla driver.
    Last Ashes series we had an injury substitution for Smiff, which means the “first XI” is no longer a thing.
    I can see red cards being introduced to Test Cricket.
    Scenario :-
    Australia vs India.
    Aussie quick has 3/20.
    Kohli says “He called me a bad monkey word.”
    Umpy sends quick off for 20 overs and replaced by a B-Grade trundler with impeccable manners.
    Angry quick returns with India 3/90 and Kohli is well set.
    Would the ACB protest?
    No fucking way.

  204. 8th Dan

    Breitbart … that is amusing Bruce Not of Newcastle. But hardly a flounce.

    The NFL wanted to keep Kaepernicks tryout in-house, with no media except their own spin-doctors present, most likely so they could again deny him a return to the game. He was having none of that and arranged his own venue, open to the media, where he proved that he is still one of the most talented quarterbacks in the USA.

  205. Cardimona

    O-oh
    From the Daily Tele’s site.

    Folau: Bushfires and drought God’s punishment for same-sex marriage and abortion
    Sacked Wallaby Israel Folau has linked NSW’s deadly bushfires and the drought to the legalisation of same-sex marriage and abortion in a service at The Truth of Jesus Christ Church today.

    Israel Folau has suggested the deadly bushfires ravaging NSW are God’s punishment for the legalisation of same-sex marriage and abortion.

    Speaking at The Truth of Jesus Christ Church service on Sunday, the former Wallabies and NRL star said the drought was also a sign of Australia’s need to “repent”.

    “You have changed the law and changed the ordinance of these things. Look how rapid these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come in a short period of time. You think it is a coincidence or not?” he asked the congregation at Kenthurst.

    “They have changed that law and legalised same-sex marriage and now those things are okay in society, going against the laws of what God says.”

    “Abortion — it is okay now to murder and kill infants, unborn children, and they think that to be okay.”

    “God is speaking to you guys, Australia, you need to repent and you need to take these laws and turn it back to what is right by God, what God says in his word.”

    He warned the devastation of drought and bushfires were just a taste of the punishment God was capable of.

    “We look back to what God (has) done to Sodom and Gomorrah, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed that city because of the sin that they were living in.”

    “To be a Christian and stand up for the truth seems like it is a criminal act compared to people that go out and do drugs, sexual assault, go and murder, the world will accept you, accept you right back in. As soon as you stand up and proclaim the truth they will try and shut you out.”

    Folau’s sermon comes after hundreds of homes were destroyed and four people have died as a result of the NSW fires, which are still raging across the state.

    The devout Christian has been largely silent since commencing proceedings against Rugby Australia for unfair dismissal, after he was sacked for refusing to back down over social media posts which said gays and other sinners would go to hell unless they repent.

    His $5.7 million contract was torn up with Rugby Australia alleging that the homophobic comments breached the professional players’ code of conduct.

    Folau is seeking nearly $10 million and an apology for his contract and future lost earnings, arguing that his offending Instagram post that targeted homosexuals, adulterers and other sinners “came from a place of love”.

    After being sacked from rugby union, it was reported he was considering a return to rugby league.

    But that was quickly shut down by incoming Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys who earlier this month said he had zero tolerance for Folau’s anti-gay messaging.

  206. DrBeauGan

    What was this homophobic slur? It obviously couldn’t have been suggesting someone was, ah, gay, because that’s praise these days.

  207. Knuckle Dragger

    Yap.

    Yap.

    Yapyapyap.

  208. jupes

    Imagine this as a TV show – Catallaxy Sofa Shopping starring Lizzie and JC, filmed and directed by Arky.
    It would be an incredible study in contrasts.

    Lizzie “This sofa speaks to me of the enigmatic Celts, and it’s colors are reminiscent of Arthur’s quest(the heroes journey) for the Grail through The Mythic Green of England….”

    JC “It hurts my arse to sit on it and it’s f$cking hideous, it looks like it was made by blind retrenched crippled Ikea staff without hands. “

    LOL Hilarious.

    I’d watch it.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Homophobic slur and gets one game.

    That is just speculation.
    Word on the street is that he has been pulling younger players aside and whispering in their ear about … (looks left and right) … coal.
    Even handing out Bernie Briquette tee-shirts at cricket clinics.

  210. DrBeauGan

    Folau: Bushfires and drought God’s punishment for same-sex marriage and abortion

    We all, well, almost all, knew that Folau is a Bible bashing nutter. The issue remains, is he allowed to give his nutty opinions, or does he get punished for having them? In fact for just one of them. He could have railed against atheists to his heart’s content.

  211. 8th Dan
    #3214420, posted on November 17, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Breitbart … that is amusing Bruce Not of Newcastle. But hardly a flounce.

    The NFL wanted to keep Kaepernicks tryout in-house, with no media except their own spin-doctors present, most likely so they could again deny him a return to the game. He was having none of that and arranged his own venue, open to the media, where he proved that he is still one of the most talented quarterbacks in the USA.

    The fuck outta here. He withdrew his claim. He is 32 and has one one NFC title, seven years ago.

    He hasn’t played since 2016.

  212. mh

    Folau: Bushfires and drought God’s punishment for same-sex marriage and abortion

    The cautionary principle means we need to revisit these legislative changes.

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Peter, 5.31 pm;

    Early doors I know, but your system or a close variant might be okay.

    Soldiering isn’t for everyone as you say, and which we are repeatedly shown in this forum. May well be a useful ‘try before you buy’ initiative though, and seeing as how they can’t vote (or get the dole, etc) until they – through this or the other methods – actually contribute something to the country, one could dare to dream that some faint glow of responsibility could be bludgeoned into them.

    For a start, those who do enter the military cohort could do some of the stuff Bandt and his faggot mates want the actual Army to do – fill sandbags, clear brush, erect and manage temporary shelter and so on, dependent on which natural disaster arrived that week.

    The only possible downside I can see is yet another NDIS explosion, this time due to thousands of junior nitwits jamming their cocks full of palm oil to get out of doing something useful.

  214. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dan – Any team who signed Kaepernick will have a nearly empty stadium every week. They know it and the NFL knows it. I was amused reading the comments to this story today:

    A case for exploring Colin Kaepernick in Tampa Bay
    Tampa Bay Times [St. Petersburg], by John Romano

    Tampa Bay are desperate enough for talent to perhaps look at a guy like K, but it would be a pyrrhic signing as their fans would head for the exits. NFL fans are patriots.

    Keep in mind that I’ve been a 49er follower since Montana-Rice days when Don Lane brought NFL to Australian television. I was a strong backer of Kaepernick’s before his brain exploded, you can find my comments supporting him in old Cat open threads. But while his body is in good shape his grey matter has gone bye byes. Sadly.

  215. Nick

    Folau: Bushfires and drought God’s punishment for same-sex marriage and abortion = mockery that he’s a bigot and unhinged.

    The Greens: bushfires and drought is Gaia’s punishment foe emitting Co2 = a need to take immediate affirmative fiscal action.

  216. Tintarella di Luna

    I remember a severe thunderstorm twenty years ago that filled yards with ice that took a week or more to melt — it’s even got its own wiki entry, 1999 Sydney Hailstorm — climate change anyone?

  217. Muddy

    Rafiki
    #3214364, posted on November 17, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    I think the Israeli defence force allows young Israelis to do national service by joining some sort of cyber-security unit for a couple of years. ‘Graduates’ command good jobs. But would such a program in Oz be compromised by potential 5th columnists?

    Good question. You’d want intelligence or counter-intelligence analysts to stick around for a while to make all their training worth the investment. So those type of roles may not be the best to drop temps into.

  218. Cold-Hands

    Does anyone know the email address for the Outsiders?
    I’ve been emailing Skynews as I don’t want to use facebook.
    I need to get to the actual show.

    Best bet is through the SkyNews contact page although the dropdown menu doesn’t offer Outsiders specifically (use Other).

  219. Tintarella di Luna

    LOL Hilarious.

    I’d watch it.

    #MeToo jupes accompanied by a fine bottle of red and some cheese prosciutto

  220. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #3214432, posted on November 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    Any team who signed Kaepernick will have a nearly empty stadium every week. They know it and the NFL knows it.

    He is screwed.
    Pulling his shit would be a career boost if you were a rapper.
    Even an “aspiring rapper”.
    Probably a marginal plus for some ageing rockers like Springsteen.
    Maybe even a pass for a black basketballer.
    But country music stars, baseball players and NRL footballers?
    Suicide.

  221. Tintarella di Luna

    Whenever I see that vulgar troll roaring in the Senate, I am reminded of this creature: the lamprey Lamprey-lips.

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Whenever I see that vulgar troll roaring in the Senate, I am reminded of this creature: the lampreyLamprey-lips.

    He’s got helium in his tyres this week.

  223. C.L.

    Imagine this as a TV show – Catallaxy Sofa Shopping starring Lizzie and JC, filmed and directed by Arky.
    It would be an incredible study in contrasts.

    Lizzie “This sofa speaks to me of the enigmatic Celts, and it’s colors are reminiscent of Arthur’s quest(the heroes journey) for the Grail through The Mythic Green of England….”

    JC “It hurts my arse to sit on it and it’s f$cking hideous, it looks like it was made by blind retrenched crippled Ikea staff without hands. “

    May I suggest a guest spot for Gab on cushions and shoes?

  224. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s not as though Kaepernick’s short of a quid, although with any luck his management and various exes will have leached it all away with the rest gone on scratchies.

    However – his social licence, to use the term du jour, has been disqualified.

  225. RobK

    May I suggest a guest spot for Gab on cushions and shoes?
    KD could do a segment on the finer points of parking at ikea.

  226. mh

    Strange But True: tales of climate change #623955

    In 2008, veteran Loch Ness monster hunter Robert Rines gave up his search for Nessie after 37 years at the age of 85, saying that the monster had probably been killed by global warming.

  227. Tintarella di Luna

    Apparently Mr Shorten made a rallying stump speech at the Victorian Labor Conference — I wonder did his voice sound “as wind in dry grass, or rat’s feet over broken glass” just like the voices of the Hollowmen?

  228. Tintarella di Luna

    He’s got helium in his tyres this week.

    😂

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    Hahahaaa.

    Just watched the snippet of Life of Brian where one of the JPF decides he wants to be a woman and have babies.

    ‘You can’t have babies, you haven’t got a womb. Where’s the foetus gonna gestate, you going to keep it in a box?’

    And here we are.

  230. Bruce of Newcastle

    He is screwed.

    Leigh – Yes.

    The NFL gave him a VERY generous chance to try out.
    A horde of people from 25 teams turned up to watch.
    He threw it in their faces minutes before the start time and flounced off to a high school an hour down the road. A more pungent insult is hard to imagine.

    I suspect this whole circus was because the NFL are terrified their African-American players will suffer another collective brainfart and do more crazy stuff. But Kaepernick has so insulted every player who worked his bum off to get to the show that I doubt there’ll be much complaint when he is sent to the knackery.

  231. Hazmatic

    Mater

    #3213840, posted on November 17, 2019 at 9:07 am
    Vietnam was the only conflict in our history when Australians were conscripted to fight on foreign soil in peacetime.

    Settle down, Bob. Don’t soil yourself.

    If you are going to be objective in you study of the after effects on soldiers, that we lost must be entered into the equation (along side conscription).

    Dear Cats. Forgive me for posting in prime time but I’m on the road and the swag beckons.

    Mater again is on the money.

    Some months ago I posted a link to the Australians at War Film Archive. Interviewed for the archive project were as many veterans of as many wars as microphones could be stuck under the nose of. 32 Vietnam veterans who were also National Servicemen were interviewed for the project.

    Back in August I collated the responses of those who provided some answer regarding their level of motivation regarding service in Vietnam. It was not a ‘set question’ but in some instances formed part of an individual explanation of their personal narrative. The AAAFA is a useful dataset. n = > 30, so can be considered a representative sample. I have not detected any overt interviewer bias. It is an excellent representative sample. I have pointed this out all before.

    There is contention regarding the seriousness of ‘cherrypicking’ results. In the STEM and economics fields it is straight out academic fraud. Do not pass go do not collect $200. In humanities it can be regarded as academic misconduct but the punishment is closely correlated to the political predisposition of the particular department…

    Below are the entirety of responses recorded at the AAAFA .Not ‘cherrypicked’ responses – All of them. These are the unprompted responses from a representative sample Nasho Vietnam Veterans. The raw data is here and readers are invited to draw their own conclusions. The reality versus a confected narrative.

    Robert Roach
    “I volunteered for Vietnam”
    Archive no:1201

    John Dalton
    “No, what actually happened, and not many people know this, but I have got to be honest with you and say that I actually volunteered for service.
    Archive no: 889

    John Kinsela
    “Then come ’69 I won the lottery for the National Service and got called up for two years and ended up in artillery. The reason I ended up in artillery everybody said that being in the Olympics that I should be a PTI, which is Physical Training Instructor, so I put in for artillery. I got artillery but I didn’t get a PTI course. So I volunteered for Vietnam.”
    Archive no: 2454

    Robert Stumer
    “So at what stage of being called up and going in and doing your basic training and corps training did you think, or did you know, that you were destined to get to Vietnam?
    I knew as soon as I got the 6th Battalion, because their tour of duty would start in approximately May 1969.
    Archive no: 1883

    Peter Beauchamp
    And you actually wanted to be there. I’m assuming that not all of the guys in your platoon necessarily wanted to be there?
    No, not all of them wanted to be there. But, as I said, they accepted the fact that they were there, they had to do their training. They didn’t put themselves in the conscientious objector file and say, “You can stick it. Throw me in jail.” They just said that they didn’t want to serve overseas. They were prepared to do their two years but they didn’t want to go overseas. And when it came to corps allocations they were allocated to corps and jobs that would never see them get posted overseas.
    And that’s when I said, “I’m sick and tired of these deferrals.” So I went and volunteered as a national serviceman.
    Archive no: 1993

    Peter Graham
    “So yeah, once we were sent to a unit I think we were hoping we would be finally posted to a unit that was going to go to Vietnam. Well I was, anyway.”
    Archive no: 2370

    Ian Cavanough
    So certainly in the infantry you had the option, because I remember after all the training one of the bosses called me in: “How do you feel about going to Vietnam?” And of course after this stage we’d done some horrendous training up in Townsville and you’re like a prize fighter, you know, ready to do battle. “Yeah, no way, yeah, we’ll get over here and get amongst it,” because that’s what you’re trained for, you know, this programming is working. But I believe at any stage anybody could have got out if they had said, “Look, this isn’t for me.”
    Archive no:
    2152

    Geoffrey Morgan
    “I think we were the first, the first group who did the six months training. The first, those who trained as operator keyboard and radios. And for those, then, at the end of that time we had options, what did we want to do? Those of us who put down, volunteered for Vietnam went there. Those who didn’t, didn’t. And like I didn’t put it first, I put it third. I was keen to go, but I didn’t want to extend my chances too much you know.”
    Archive no: 948

    John Burridge
    “Well look, can you volunteer for this national service thing?” I worked on the principal that if there were any perks going for Nashos [National Service soldiers] down the track you’re better off being a Nasho than a three-year regular army soldier. If you like it you can always sign on so there wasn’t a problem. I thought you’re better to go for the shorter period particularly when there’s no penalties or anything.”
    Archive no: 2263

    Colin Twelftree
    My memory is that it didn’t bother me a great deal, it was a bit exciting, going overseas, I’d never been overseas before and there is always a feeling in the army that I didn’t probably have as much as some of the others but certainly regular army people they were very, well there was some jealousy in that I was going to Vietnam so early, before others, because you are trained, everyone wanted to go to put their training into use. Some saw it as a financial benefit because you don’t pay tax when you are over there and you get allowances and all this sort of stuff.
    Archive no: 1855

    Russell Walker
    And I said to my officer in my unit, “How do I get out of here?” And he said, “Quite simple. What don’t you like?” and I said, “I just don’t like that type of work and the intensity and the prospects of going to Vietnam with an armoured regiment and things like that.” So he said, “It’s quite simple. I’ll put you on a jungle training course and you can go over with whoever as a replacement for whoever vacancy comes up.” So straight away I was posted off on the jungle-training course. And very shortly after I completed that I received notification that a vacancy had come up in Vietnam.
    Archive no: 2022

    Anthony Hughes
    At the time 7 and 2 were in Vietnam and the 8th was in Malaya. So those of us that volunteered for overseas, went to reinforcement wing. When we got there, “Who wants to go to Malaya and who wants to go do Vietnam?” And the mate whose photo I just showed you said, “Where do we want to go to?” I said, “Oh I’m going to Vietnam mate.” “Oh shit if you are going so am I.” So over to that side we went and the rest who wanted to go to Malaya went over to that side.
    Archive no: 2093

    Brian Woods
    Yeah got a week’s leave before I went. I flew back to Narrabri, done our things, said ‘hooray’ to everybody, it was just like going on a holiday. Well, what do you say? It was just like doing your country well, ‘see youse later,’ rah, rah, rah.
    Archive no: 2014

    Stephen Reynolds
    It was a – the battalion was ordered so as a battalion we knew we were going and it was then the departure dates were fixed for each company and that was a 12 month tour. So we were given ample notice, I can’t say how long we were told, but we were given notice and then given leave before we left and then we left from Townsville.
    Archive no: 1406

    Colin O’Neill
    But I know I ticked Vietnam. And I’m pretty sure that was done halfway through recruit training.
    Archive no:1824

    Alan Anderson NS Volunteer
    I wouldn’t say keen, but you had no choice in the matter and that’s how it was and everybody was going, so it was all in one and all in type of thing. Doug, the fellow I just spoke of, he played up a little bit and they transferred him from 1 Battalion in Holsworthy to Townsville, and three weeks before we were due to leave for Vietnam, there’s Doug standing there with all his bags. So all they did was just put him aside to keep him quite until things were ready and that was it, away he went. When the government has a war and you’re invited, they become very terse at you not turning up. That’s the easiest way of explaining it.
    Archive no:1886

    James Murrell
    I put myself among the fortunate few who had the opportunity of being a part of it. I say the fortunate few in the National Servicemen, 17,000 of us all went there, to make up the 50 odd thousand. You know we were a rare species I guess in that respect. But I, I, the same situation arose again I’d be, it’d be thumbs down for me. That’s the, you know with the hindsight of history.
    Archive no: 652

    Robert Lennox
    “Well you’re going to Vietnam.” I said, “Hey, hang on. I didn’t volunteer for this, this is not part of the deal, it’s not my script.” You know, you’ve got the wrong person sort of thing. He said, “No, you’re going to Vietnam. You’ve got – you can go home for this weekend, see your folks and report back here on Monday or whatever and then you’re going off to Vietnam.” So he said, “Roll up your sleeves.” And I said, “Well do I – can I object to this.” And he said, “Well, you can object but I mean, who’s going to listen.” So I said, “Well, don’t I have to volunteer?” And he said, “No.” So that was it.”
    Archive no: 1669

    John Robbins Infantry volunteer
    They gave us a couple of booklets on different things about the army and whatever, not a hell of a lot but they would have they must have told us something, but you did have a choice but you know that not many people achieved what they put in for. Some did. Some got engineers and artillery but the aim was to build up the infantry numbers.
    Archive no: 1905

    Michael Taylor
    Yeah, that’s always on the agenda, but still you need to volunteer to go to Vietnam still. Guys say that they didn’t, but you really needed to sign a bit of paper to go. Yeah, it wasn’t a worry to us at that stage of the game anyway.
    Archive no: 1284

    Noel Grimes
    I mean I did twelve months training here in Australia and then twelve months in Vietnam. So during that twelve months we were here training in Australia. It was certainly thrown around a lot then. I probably knew more about it then than before I actually went into the army. And there was always the big ‘if’ and ‘yes maybe’ we were going to be sent to Vietnam. And that was as I said what was worry the tripe out of my parents, I know the big question will he be sent or will he not be sent. And of course I was sent. But I think they played it down, I think they knew we were going really. They just sort of kept reminding us that we might be going sort of during that training period.
    Archive no: 1939

    Terrence Donoghue
    Well when you first went through Pucka you were told there’s probably a 50/50 chance that half you blokes will meet up in South Vietnam. And that’s probably not really true because out of say the 70 odd or 50,000 odd that went over and served there there was only abut 19 and a half thousand national servicemen went. And when you consider there was something like 70,000 national servicemen called up and there was only 19 and a half went over there it’s not really 50/50, it’s less. So I sort of looked at it this way.
    Archive no: 1556

    John Morey
    I wasn’t excited. I was just resigned, “Well what can I do about this? Oh well I’m going.” I certainly wasn’t enthused about it. I thought, “Oh well at least I’ll see something different.” But I wasn’t overexcited about the whole thing at all.
    Archive no: 1959

    Robert Lovell
    As a university graduate, why were you not considered officer material?
    Well that’s interesting. At the end of basic training you would get to the vocational area where they start deciding what you are going to be doing, where you are going to be sent in the army. And we did all the vocational tests and a few of us were selected, this guy that I was talking about before, and I were selected for the officer training tests. I think there might have been just the two of us in our platoon. Yeah, probably, we were both, both got through with flying colours. And there was a final interview and one of the questions, I think it was probably the last question, and, “Private Lovell, why do you want to be an officer?” And I said, “Well actually I don’t want to be an officer, I would like to teach in Papua New Guinea.” So that sort of killed the officer training thing. They said, “Oh okay.” So I wasn’t selected for an officer. I think I probably would have been if I had had a positive attitude to it. I enjoyed the exercises to find out whether you were suitable or not, all sorts of mind games, it was really good.
    Archive no: 2247

    Dennis Mitchell
    I think it’s probably fair to say though that the army didn’t really want people that weren’t prepared to be there and their preference would have been not to take those who would go to such extremes as to avoid their national service. That would be the army view, that would not be the political view. So I think that there was a preparedness to provide an out if it was a genuine out so that the army didn’t end up with people that really, really, really didn’t want to be there because they’re not a lot of use.
    Archive no: 2128

    Stephen Lewis
    The particular group that I was with, who had been inducted as ninth intake national servicemen, we were due to get out in June, the end of June ’69, and the unit we were with wasn’t due to go to Vietnam until March ’69. So we were told we wouldn’t be going because there wasn’t sufficient time. It wasn’t worth taking us up there for three months. So we were, it was quite funny. They used to have parades and they’d say, “Right. Everyone who’s going to Vietnam stand over there. Everyone who’s not going stand over there.” and we used to stay in the middle and, “What are you doing?” We said, “Well we don’t know if we’re going or not.” and so some days they’d say, “Well pretend you are.” Then other days they’d say, “Well pretend you’re not.” So that’s where we were. However, as I say, being national servicemen they could sort of pick us up and use us to plug holes. On the, I think it was about, I don’t know, late September, we were told that we definitely weren’t going and two weeks later I was there. So that was fairly typical of the army. They used, they picked me up and I plugged a hole. There was a national serviceman whose time was up in a unit in Vietnam. He came home. I took his place and I served out the balance of his unit’s time with that unit.
    Archive no: 1154

    Robert Earl
    In Enoggera we did maintenance, and we rehearsed and practised to varying degrees, then my call up came to go to Vietnam. I was keen to go, because we were promised a house loan and I wanted to buy a house. So I looked very good. I wanted to go.
    Archive no: 639

    Peter Jamieson
    No you had a choice. They asked you to nominate two choices or it might have been three choices that you had and the word went around, no I think a mate might have told me, that if you put infantry down for any one of your choices you were guaranteed you were going to go to infantry, so I never put it in and of course I was probably influenced by him. He was in armoured corps and at that stage the tanks weren’t going to Vietnam, so I nominated armoured corps tanks, because I really wasn’t that keen to go to Vietnam, so I put that down and I had signals for my second choice. I can’t remember what I had, might have been artillery, for my third choice, so yeah and I got put into armoured.
    Did you have to sign any kind of agreement that you were happy to go to Vietnam or anything like that?
    I don’t recall it. I don’t recall that at all. Maybe I did. Of course the worst thing about it was we knew we were going to Vietnam and so we came back from leave and we were sent to Sydney and we were up at Watson’s Bay on the [south] head of the harbour up there and we thought that we’d be going straight away but we were up there for three weeks or something.
    Archive no: 1994

    Franklin Bridges
    How much did you think when you were first drafted about getting killed? Oh we had so many friends getting killed here in motor cars that I don’t think we thought about it. You know youthful enthusiasm. I don’t think – I think some men think about getting killed; I don’t think I did.
    Archive no: 2133

    Donald Rowe
    It’s the same as, well what I believe in our unit was there were some who didn’t want to go to Vietnam but there were some who were busting their neck to get there. And those who didn’t want to go, funny thing, they didn’t go, you know, you’re not going to waste your effort and try and convince somebody when there’s other people wanting to go. Our unit was only a relatively small unit, not like a battalion or a company or anything like that, just a squadron of tanks. And I know a couple of blokes there, they weren’t real keen on going, and they just said to the CO they didn’t want to go. And the CO said no drama, like they had a headquarters squadron and they had a squadron getting trained up to go to Vietnam, so those that didn’t want to go they just transferred them over to headquarters, and there were plenty of things for them to do.
    Were people given options? Like were they clear about those kinds of things?
    Unofficially they weren’t given, officially they weren’t given an option, but those that had strong enough beliefs or concerns that said they didn’t want to go, they actually went and talked to their unit commanders. And yes, they just quietly moved them over to the other squadron there and they served out their two years there and I haven’t seen them since I left, but I think they were happy to go there and there was no drama. And there were people in the headquarters squadron who wanted to go to Vietnam and they just moved them over there and said righto if that’s where you want to go and they, yes…
    But wouldn’t they think you were a wimp if you didn’t want to…?
    No, we didn’t worry about them. Sooner have one good volunteer than ten who didn’t, wouldn’t you?
    Archive no: 1106

  232. Knuckle Dragger

    The Kaepernick thing reminds me of the carefully considered words of Ian Healy to Arjuna Ranatunga, thoughtfully captured on stump mike for eternity:

    ‘Ya think yer bigger than the game, ya xunt.’

  233. egg_

    What was this homophobic slur?

    The bowler’s Holding, the batsman’s Willey?

  234. Geriatric Mayfly

    Greens MP Adam Bandt has defended a colleague’s description of the government as ‘borderline arsonists’.

    Nothing borderline about Bandt. An outright charlatan.

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