Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. JD

    Yay, it was getting old there 🙂

  2. MatrixTransform

    timing is everything

    🙂

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I claim this thread, in the name of the Dutch East India Company – as their ships left Amsterdam, for the Far East, they would send up two prayers – one for a fair wind, and the other for profit – oh, and by the way, they paid a forty percent dividend.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    oh, and by the way, they paid a forty percent dividend.

    Also, in the name of Jock McClaren, Australian “cloak and dagger” soldier , behind Japanese lines, in the Philippines and Borneo, during the Second World War – who extracted his own appendix, without anesthetic. Let’s see Gen Snowflake handle that one..

  5. classical_hero

    Just outside of the cricket team.

  6. Twostix

    Boomers.

    Pay what you owe.

  7. Twostix

    Before you cark it at least build one single dam or power plant.

    Just one.

    Your parents gave you dozens.

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Boomers.

    Pay what you owe.

    Boomers owe this country nothing – it’s the generations that came after, whinging and bawling….

    “What do we want? EVERYTHING!

    “When do we want it? NOW!”

  9. mizaris

    Sneaking into the top twenny! Yay me!

  10. BrettW

    I just tried to catch up with the old thread on my IPad.

    Kept losing the thread and gave up. Could it be the huge number of video links posted by Zippy, Trickler and Matrix who had multiples although I could not see what subject was as kept losing the thread.

    I have to ask is it really necessary to post daily multiple links about people playing the piano in shopping centres, trains, planes or whatever. I am perfectly capable of finding such things on YouTube if I want to. It is presumptious to assume the rest of us have your interests. In some cases people post the same thing more than once in case we didn’t see it the first time.

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Before you cark it at least build one single dam or power plant.

    Just one.

    Your parents gave you dozens.

    The worst people in human history.

    Our revenge will be leaving to rot alone in nursing homes staffed by third world nurses, with intermittent power and no running water.

  12. Steve trickler

    Blame Matrix, BrettW, not me. Though it was clear Matrix was pushing for a thread change. ( :

    Crafty. It blew my browser up.

  13. Mark A

    BrettW
    #3242498, posted on November 23, 2019 at 12:52 am

    Feel your pain brother, I often think of asking the same question myself.

    If it’s something unique, unlikely to be found by others even if looking for it, fine no problem. but posting endless “music” videos that are all over the net if you want them?

  14. Steve trickler

    Nice work with Sun. Glorious capture of the Big Boy.



  15. Steve trickler

    Nice work with the Sun.

  16. RobK

    Before you cark it at least build one single dam or power plant.
    Ive built several of each. Get off your backsides munchkins.

  17. RobK

    Those dudes in Hong Kong are getting dinkum.

  18. calli

    A late addition to CatRage. An oldie but a goodie and some nice pictures.

  19. RobK

    Aaha, it is a Flight of the Condor package 📦

  20. BrettW

    Steve,
    Funny how you blamed Matrix but don’t react to my comments clearly referring to your non stop video links.

  21. calli

    Sorry, BrettW. The music had some relevance to where I am right now. Guys were playing it on the pan pipes the other day. It was a big thing back when I were a yoof. These days it would be set to rap.

  22. JC

    Loons

    KRUISER’S MORNING BRIEF: Elizabeth Warren Is Wrong About Everything. “As this socialist battle royale has played out, the standard take from pundits on both sides is that Warren is more deep from a policy standpoint than Sanders is. Admittedly, it is quite easy to present oneself as being less crazy and possessing more intellectual heft than Bernie Sanders. However, a quick pass over what Warren offers on any given day as she campaigns proves that she may be even loonier.”

    Soon enough, High Cheeks will come up with a version of this, just so she isn’t outmatched by Crazy Bernie

    Bernie Sanders on socialism, taxes and why he thinks fossil fuel executives are ‘criminals’

  23. Steve trickler

    BrettW.

    Nothing like what Matrix does…he was having fun. Stop being so serious.

    And yes, i do like posting video links.



  24. Steve trickler

    A quick burst to a 1000 kph.

    Just recent.



  25. Knuckle Dragger

    Personally, I’d like every now and then to see a clip of a bloke playing the piano in a subway somewhere, and then have some punter wander up with a sledgehammer and smash the Christ out of it, followed by him chasing the piano bloke onto the railway tracks.

    But hey, ya can’t have everything.

    I just do what a whole pile of people no doubt do when I post the shit I do. Scroll on by.

  26. Steve trickler

    Knuckle Dragger.

    Perhaps we start with a hammer to this piano., whilst him playing at the same time.



  27. Zyconoclast

    It blew my browser up.

    I first read that as trousers…

  28. Zyconoclast

    NSW will rewrite electricity market rules to create a giant renewable energy zone, pour money into hydrogen, and spur consumers to offset carbon emissions in a landmark policy aimed at shifting the national debate over climate change.

    Energy and Environment Minister Matt Kean said his plans offered a path “to end the climate wars and achieve net-zero [carbon] emissions by 2050” and stoke economic growth.

    Mr Kean said NSW would remove a region in the central west, centred on Dubbo, from the rules governing how investment is approved in the main grid, known as the National Electricity Market (NEM).

    The move will create a 3000-megawatt renewable energy zone, the “first coordinated” area of its kind in Australia, Mr Kean said.

    “The cheapest way of delivering reliable energy today is wind and solar,” he said.

    While generators would pay more upfront, they would have more certainty, Mr Kean said. Households and businesses would benefit because the resulting additional low-cost power would bring electricity prices down.

  29. Mark A

    Is there anything Tesla and Musk can’t do?
    The even managed to break the unbreakable glass.

    The Tesla Cybertruck ‘Armor Glass’ demo didn’t go exactly as planned

  30. Tom

    Trump Derangement plus Joo hatred equals modern leftism. David Rowe on the “coup” against Benjamin Netanyahu.

  31. Tom

    Christian Adams (London Evening Standard). Love the Nigel Farage snowman!

  32. bespoke

    thefrollickingmole
    #3242288, posted on November 22, 2019 at 7:21 pm
    The Pomgolian labour partys manifesto, in all its fizzing Bolshevik glory.

    Proof of how bad things are.

    “Charity is outdated”

    Don’t let ‘Progressives’ fool you it’s an attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

  33. bespoke

    ‘Progressivism’ is an I ideology that seeks to crush the human spirit.

  34. struth

    Can you fucking idiiots just put a link in instead of posting the whole video on the thread, please?

  35. struth

    See how Tom does it with his cartoons…….you can do it with your music and train videos.

    Some of us live in Australia and have slow download speeds.

  36. bespoke

    If you’ve removed all need from individuals for responsibility for your family and charity towards others how is a committee made up of those same individuals going to do anything better?.

    Dark times ahead.

  37. bespoke

    Did Jeremy Corbyn’s mummy give his shoes away when he was a kid?.

  38. Mark A

    struth
    #3242560, posted on November 23, 2019 at 5:35 am

    See how Tom does it with his cartoons…….you can do it with your music and train videos.

    Some of us live in Australia and have slow download speeds.

    Some of us live overseas and I can tell when the thread is full of vids, specially when over a few thou comments.
    Loads distinctly slower. When using VPN even worse.

    But, free speech and advised to scroll.

  39. Entropy

    “The cheapest way of delivering reliable energy today is wind and solar,” he said.

    While generators would pay more upfront, they would have more certainty, Mr Kean said. Households and businesses would benefit because the resulting additional low-cost power would bring electricity prices down.

    Just think those sentences through: the generators will buy the cheapest, but will pay more, which means electricity prices fall.

    It’s a mental illness.

  40. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-21/local-government-inspectorate-report-on-yarriambiack-council/11722756?fbclid=IwAR2ySaup0e8Ei7lPupyHgiCuWlyF0LqcjAq_B3DAVgw0qyr7j6z_R6zIMtI

    Unprecedented’ termination payouts for senior staff

    While a lot of the findings stemmed from what the inspectorate called “poor organisational” culture and a lack of governance, it also found some of the policies “concerning”.

    Termination packages for some senior staff were found to be “unprecedented” in Victorian local governments, with packages potentially totalling up to $416,000 per person.

    “These conditions are far in excess of what are considered reasonable industry employment separation conditions,” the report said.
    Two shipping containers at a Yarriambiack Shire Council depot used for archiving documents.
    Photo: Council’s manual record-keeping system was “inadequate”, the report found. (Supplied: Local Government Inspectorate)

    The inspectorate has made a slew of recommendations, mostly around creating policies and procedures for staff to follow and implementing better record-keeping.

    The report found the Yarriambiack Shire Council did not have a digital filing system, instead keeping manual records in cupboards, drawers and in three shipping containers on a council depot.

    “This current system is totally inadequate for a council to run its business,” it said.

    Concerns were also raised about more than $1.5 million in outstanding rates, which the inspectorate said could be “unrecoverable” because of poor record keeping.

    Yes dodgy, but grader drivers doing cash jobs grading driveways in their lunch hour for ratepayers with ratefunded gear isn’t in the same league as council orcs in the city building multimilliondollar mansions with helipads funded by their links to dogbox death-trap apartment developers.

  41. struth

    Anyway.
    Good Moaning.
    We should have an investigation here regarding foreign aid money and what it has been used for and who benifitted.
    Great amounts of our money,, more than any other government on earth in fact more than all other donors combined were given to politician owned left wing “Charities” and left wing UN corruption by people so they could personally benefit and to finance the global socialist left.
    The greatest piece of shit criminal in this department of course is the now global elite jetsetting Julia Gillard who is directly employed as director of the Clinton Political activist org she shoved near 300 million of our money into.
    Obscene……..and yet crickets.
    But Trump told the Ukraine president that he wants nothing from him just to do the right thing.
    The left always dictate the story being told because they are always attacking.
    We are talking about their idiotic attempts at impeachment because it is the pantomime that keeps uscfrom looking at the corruption and crime of the left.

    Gillard and Bishop and many others should be behind bars for life and their personal wealth confiscated as it is the earnings from criminal activity.

    Enough already.

  42. John Constantine

    https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2006/05000/Zinc,_Copper,_and_Magnesium_and_Risks_for.17.aspx

    High magnesium values were negatively related to mortality with a 40% decrease in RR for all-cause (0.6; 0.4–0.8) and cardiovascular deaths (0.6; 0.2–1.2) and by 50% for cancer deaths (0.5; 0.3–0.8).

    Bit of magnesium good for you.

    Experimenting with summer lambing ewes to squeeze numbers up, magnesium in the supplement lick powders is good, but too much makes for frothy and explosive stools. Just sayin’.

  43. struth

    While Abbott was in power Julie Bishop gave millions of our dollars to the Clintons.
    I am writing to Credlin to see what she knows.
    Credlin is ok on her show but as a party hack she always stops dead at criticism of the Libs and therefore is useless in a fight where the libs are just as corrupt and left wing as the rest.
    What did she know about these donations?
    If we don’t start setting agendas and holding these pricks to account………..

  44. 1735099

    Trump Derangement plus Joo hatred equals modern leftism. David Rowe on the “coup” against Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Apparently Netanyahu is Jooish.
    Who knew?
    And that makes him immune from the rule of law.
    Apparently……..

  45. struth

    One of our seniot ex spies tells us that China is attempting to control our parliament.
    No shit sherlock.
    However, based on this news, the media go out and ask the politicians if it is true!!!
    Seriously.

  46. Mark A

    struth
    #3242575, posted on November 23, 2019 at 6:21 am

    While Abbott was in power Julie Bishop gave millions of our dollars to the Clintons.
    I am writing to Credlin to see what she knows.

    I thinks she knows a lot more than we can even guess.
    Abbott being a wuss, and easily dominated by women probably fell because of her dominance and ill advice.

  47. John Constantine

    Their redfilth gillard lives a lifestyle in exile along the lines of deposed banana republic dictators, the ones that flee far enough ahead of the mob to reach the cash stashed safely away during their reign.

    Their julie bishop is hawking cars on instagram.

    What a brilliant idea julie bishop.

  48. 2dogs

    Trump needs to challenge the impeachment in the high court before it goes to the senate.

    On the basis that he can only be impeached for something that is actually a crime.

  49. struth

    I don’t expect her to tell us what she knows but then I’ll write to outsiders and ask them to do a story on it.
    Nothing will come of any of it……..but ya just never know.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    And that makes him immune from the rule of law.

    If he is under the rule of law, Numbers, then he will be acquitted. Then the deep staters in the Israeli police and intel communities will be convicted of treason and sentenced to death.

    Dershowitz calls on Mandelblit to ‘do the right thing’ and drop charges against Netanyahu (18 Nov)

    “I think we’re seeing the weaponization of criminal justice for political purposes,” U.S. attorney Alan Dershowitz tells JNS. “In Israel, the attorney general is supposed to be outside of politics.”

    Israel’s ‘Deep State’ Targets Netanyahu with Bogus Charges (2018)

    Forensic and damning of the lefty controlled unaccountable bureaucracy.

  51. BrettW

    “The cheapest way of delivering reliable energy today is wind and solar,” he said.

    and that is a Liberal Govt energy minister.

    Who no doubt will be on a very generous pension when he steps down from his MP job.

    and Oops I forgot to include the History Guy in my list of non stop video links that Steve T thinks are essential for us to know about. After all we are all too dumb to have discovered YouTube like he has.

    Cali, I am not really referring to one off’s like your last night.

  52. struth

    Maybe if outsiders got a few more emails asking them to do a story on Australia’s foreign aid and what happened and continues to happen.

  53. lily

    Good luck with trying to out Julia Gillard, Michael Smith has been trying to get her in to court for years. Gillard is what you would call a protected species.
    Australia’s swamp is as deep and murky as the one in the USA. The Liberal party will never clean things up they are part of the swamp. Added to our problems we have a do nothing happy clapping false prophet Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

  54. Entropy

    They get the line on solar and wind being the cheapest from a CSIRO “Australian National Outlook” which is an expensive navel gazing exercise from a bunch of futurists employed by an organisation most people naively believe is about hard science, not social science.
    Anyway, a little bit of delving into their assumptions and you discover they assume current market rigging remains and then we soon get a global carbon tax of $75 on top!
    As if.

  55. Bruce of Newcastle

    On similar things I’m amused that the Left in California have now realised the danger they are in from their attempts to get Trump’s tax returns:

    Calif. Supreme Court Blocks Law Requiring Presidential Candidates Disclose Tax Returns (22 Nov)

    This was designed to force Trump off the ballot in that state, and in other states where similar legislation was being brought by the Democrats.

    You can imagine the fun Republicans would have with the tax returns of Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and many many others. Then the long line of corrupt Democrat office holders would have their dirty laundry spread out for anyone to see. It would be a catastrophe for the Democrat Party.

    As is apparent in the previous links the “law” the Left is trying to use against Netanyahu is similar. The rest of the Knesset would be obliterated if it was used against them, whereas Netanyahu looks like he hasn’t done anything indictable despite 22 years of deep state investigations.

  56. struth

    Australian taxpayers all up paid 300 MILLION just to give Gillard a jetstting job as a global elite pushing socialism.
    Her super and pension and perks on travel and the like weren’t good enough for the race baiting sexist union criminal fund manager.

  57. struth

    Micheal Smith doesn’t have a very popular tv show.
    The Outsiders is a hope due to their different method of attack.

    You are never going to get Gillard in any Australian court except maybe the court of public opinion.
    It’s not about Gillard.
    It’s about letting the scum in government know we are on to them and not happy.

  58. Shy Ted

    Morning puzzler to get the old brainbox working. Rearrange these letters to form a common sentence – Dark Emu is complete and butter ollocks.
    No prizes. You have 12 seconds to complete.

  59. Mak Siccar

    An extract from Chris Kenny’s article in today’s Oz. Some interesting comments follow. I wonder when the pollies and so-called public servants will have the guts to define how much Aboriginal blood one must have in order to receive ‘benefits’ and vote in this Voice thing, and thereby exclude those fake indig people?

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/truth-is-at-the-heart-of-an-indigenous-voice/news-story/5c71a045886428c0f6bf8d87253ba790

    Which brings me to the debate about an Aboriginal “voice” — this discussion, too, must be truthful. Such a body is something I have argued for in these pages since before it was known as the voice, as a way of delivering meaningful reform in pursuit of Aboriginal advancement while delivering constitutional recognition.

    Partly because of dishonest, conservative opposition to the proposal, after it was enshrined in the Uluru statement in 2017, the government has rejected any constitutional mandate for a voice, decoupling it from the constitutional recognition project. But work on an Aboriginal voice to government is proceeding and I am one of a handful of non-indigenous people appointed by the minister to a senior advisory group on the task. It is worth remembering this idea sprang from constitutional conservatives keen to support indigenous aspirations without compromising our Constitution through more radical demands such as the racial non-discrimination clause that was advanced by the Expert Panel and Referendum Council, and might amount to a mini bill of rights.

    While I understand some arguments against the voice, opponents need to be truthful.

    Much of the debate has not been honest.

    The description of the voice as a “third chamber” has been particularly damaging and was never a justifiable way to describe an advisory body on a limited remit. The divisive term was used by then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, his vanquished predecessor Tony Abbott and former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce.

    Joyce now admits he was wrong and has apologised. That is a level of honesty Kropinyeri would have admired.

    Misleading arguments are still put that a voice would divide Australians on race or put race into the Constitution. First, the constitutional aspect is off the table for now but, more important, there are a race provisions in the Constitution now. Some are redundant and need to be excised but most everyone accepts that a federal power over indigenous affairs must remain.

    And there is the crunch. If we are to keep a federal power over ­indigenous affairs — to manage native title and deliver policies to close the gap on health, education, employment and the like — then how is it radical to have a representative advisory body to work with government on Aboriginal issues?

    It would be racially chauvinistic to deny indigenous Australians a say on these matters. The Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments have all ­effectively recognised this reality by running Aboriginal advisory bodies; it is just that their members have been hand-picked.

    There are indigenous groups across the length and breadth of this nation, from land councils to remote community governance bodies, from dance groups to local heritage committees, from institutes to sobriety societies. It is grossly misleading to suggest that finding a way for these people and groups to fairly and efficiently channel their ideas, feedback and priorities about policies specifically aimed at them direct to government would be racially divisive.

    Only a truly ideological position, purist liberalism, could pretend away real-world challenges for indigenous Australians and suggest there can be no argument to treat any group of people differently from any other. Would we ever argue the same about discrete policies or consultation for and with veterans, the aged or those with disabilities?

    Our indigenous people, as a group, suffer from disadvantage and occupy a unique place, not through race but by traceable inheritance rights to this land and their culture. A conservative or practical approach would embrace a way for Aboriginal people to have a say on how Canberra exercises its powers over their affairs — similar to other advisory bodies in specialist areas. A conservative or pragmatic approach would accept that the best chance for co-operative progress is to make sure the voice is effective and allows grassroots Aboriginal communities to work with the rest of the country in closing the gap. Extraordinary Aboriginal consensus was built around this idea at Uluru. To shrug our shoulders and brush this aside would be arrogant, paternalistic and divisive.

    At one extreme we have seen activists prepared to embellish indigenous culture for political purposes; at the other, people would deny or demean that culture. But the mainstream tends to favour practical reconciliation and a fair go for Aboriginal compatriots.

  60. 1735099

    Bolton Tweets a warning….
    Fatty 5D’s* control freakery is coming back to bite him on the his ample bum.

    Trump escaped the draft for Vietnam 5 times and has a weight problem.

  61. struth

    Is Complete and utter dark emu bollocks.

  62. 1735099

    The ugly face of Fascism.

    “Little fucking kikes,” screams alt-right leader Richard Spencer, in audio recorded immediately after the murder of anti-fascist protester Heather Heyer. “They get ruled by people like me. Little fucking octaroons. My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit … Those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them.

  63. Johno

    Poor old sniffy. He never learns,this just like his time at Tim Blairs. He charges in, all keystrokes blazing.

    Initially people defer to his war experience,then they find out that this is just a fiction.Then his lies and rewrites get exposed, continually, and then he becomes an object of scorn and derision. Then he slinks off into the night. Waits a couple of years, rinse and repeat.

  64. 1735099

    The ugly face of Fascism.

    “Little fucking k*kes,” screams alt-right leader Richard Spencer, in audio recorded immediately after the murder of anti-fascist protester Heather Heyer. “They get ruled by people like me. Little fucking octaroons. My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit … Those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them.

  65. 2dogs

    Since Numbers has decided to mention Richard Spencer:

  66. Mark A

    1735099
    #3242615, posted on November 23, 2019 at 7:34 am

    The ugly face of Fascism.

    So that’s where you get you mail from?

    No, its not the ugly face of Fascism, it’s the ugly face and rant of a deranged human being who will be pulled in line and hopefully jailed.

    There are more dangerous antisemites among us who display their hatred and spew their venom in more subtle ways.
    Always dressing it up as something else, you have done that already this morning.

  67. 1735099

    Not only do the Finns have a better education system than ours – apparently they build better boats.

  68. Bruce of Newcastle

    I wouldn’t be surprised. Finns have been expert in the mining and metallurgy industries for a long time. I’ve often used their software and equipment. Maybe that expertise came out of the Winter War. When you have an aggressive communist country next door you’d want to be able to build good armaments.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    From the Telly article about Bill Waterhouse …

    Dad studied law and became a barrier, he was the largest seller of liquor in the 1940s, he was the leading hotelier in Australia in the 1950s, he was the world’s leading bookmaker for 40 years, he was Australia’s longest-serving diplomate, and he’s written a best-selling book,’’ Robbie said. “He was unique.’’

  70. Steve trickler
    #3242518, posted on November 23, 2019 at 1:56 am

    A quick burst to a 1000 kph.

    Just recent.

    This is what the public wants to see, Trickler.

  71. struth

    Socialism and Fascism are only different in the dress of the leader.
    One wears a military uniform!
    That’s about it.
    (Once Socialism becomes extreme socialism, like Nazis, or Russians, their corrupt, violent thug leaders are usually in uniform as well)

  72. 1735099
    #3242621, posted on November 23, 2019 at 7:48 am

    Not only do the Finns have a better education system than ours

    Part of that is they don’t take themselves so seriously.

  73. The heavy water reactor will use about 0.7% of the uranium’s energy value…

  74. struth

    Can you throbbers just link to videos please?

    I know you well enough that you are just trying to yank my chain, dot.

    WELL IT”S FRIGGIN’ WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  75. Tom

    Flat-track Bullies: 1-312. Pakistan under 19s: all-out 240.

  76. Mater

    From a well known historian who WAS of the Left (was even the editor of the Fabian established ‘New Statesman’ magazine).

    Who was the most right-wing man in history?

    …One of the great errors of political taxonomy is to classify Hitler as right-wing. He, and still more his closest colleague, Goebbels, were socialists, and the fact they were nationalists first did not orient them more to the right. There are six indispensable hallmarks of a conservative. First, firm belief in one, beneficent and omnipotent God. Second, absolute morality as the basis of public law. Third, strict limits on the size of the state. Fourth, respect for a multiplicity of traditional power centres. Fifth, restraint and self-restraint in all things. Sixth, search for the right balance between the individual and the traditional units of society. Hitler broke all these rules: he was an atheistic pagan, a moral relativist, a totalitarian, an ultra-centralist, an uninhibited exhibitionist and a collectivist. In many ways Stalin was to the right of him. There is a seventh point. A conservative is not afraid of force, or of using it thoroughly. But always as a last resort. With Hitler it was the first.

    This brings me to another puzzle of ideological classification. The phrase is often used by thoughtless people, TV interviewers, tabloid columnists, etc. ‘He is even to the right of Genghis Khan.’ The implication is that Genghis Khan is on the extreme right of the political spectrum. What is the origin of this belief? And when did the phrase come into use? I believe it is hardly more than half a century old. Hitler, again, is to blame. He is seen, falsely, as the epitome of ‘the Right’. He is also seen, more accurately, as a mass killer on an unprecedented scale. Before the 20th century, the classical perpetrator of terrorist massacre, pillage and the destruction of cities was Genghis Khan. He was not, however, seen as a political figure of either left or right — just as a savage barbarian. Hitler, however, was linked with him as a mass killer, and therefore Genghis took on Hitler’s political colouration. In fact, Stalin killed more people than Hitler, and Mao twice as many again, 70 million at the latest count. So logically, Genghis should have taken on this political colouration, and the phrase should run, ‘He’s even to the left of Genghis Khan.’

  77. Leigh Lowe

    An endless stream of embedded videos and salty Viet Com tears.

    Fucking great.

  78. 2dogs

    the Finns have a better education system than ours

    Yes, mainly due to the schools being run out local, municipal government. Parents have a lot of control this way.

  79. Well hey I don’t know how to un-embed videos.

    “He’s no stranger to run offs Murph?” * Yes, he’s no stranger to runoffs, he’s been competing for six years*

    Televisual excellence.

  80. Tom

    Thanks, Mater at 8.11am. Great rebuttal of the denialists (which I have stored).

  81. notafan

    Excellent description of the conservative Mater

  82. Bruce of Newcastle

    For those who have trouble with Dot’s endless videos make sure you have Autoplay turned off.

    In Brave that is Settings-Additional Settings-Privacy and Security-Site Settings-Autoplay and switch the switch to Off.

    In that state the videos don’t appear to download until I play them, so I get the first graphic but not massive file.

    I don’t know about other browsers.

  83. Mater

    Excellent description of the conservative Mater

    They’re somewhat similar to Kirk’s Six Canons of Conservatism (although I think Johnson missed the last one, which reflects Chesterton’s Fence theory)

    “There are six canons of conservative thought:

    1) Belief in a transcendent order, or body of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience. Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems. A narrow rationality, what Coleridge called the Understanding, cannot of itself satisfy human needs. “Every Tory is a realist,” says Keith Feiling: “he knows that there are great forces in heaven and earth that man’s philosophy cannot plumb or fathom.” True politics is the art of apprehending and applying the Justice which ought to prevail in a community of souls.

    2) Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence, as opposed to the narrowing uniformity, egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems; conservatives resist what Robert Graves calls “Logicalism” in society. This prejudice has been called “the conservatism of enjoyment”–a sense that life is worth living, according to Walter Bagehot “the proper source of an animated Conservatism.”

    3) Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes, as against the notion of a “classless society.” With reason, conservatives have been called “the party of order.” If natural distinctions are effaced among men, oligarchs fill the vacuum. Ultimate equality in the judgment of God, and equality before courts of law, are recognized by conservatives; but equality of condition, they think, means equality in servitude and boredom.

    4) Persuasion that freedom and property are closely linked: separate property from private possession, and Leviathan becomes master of all. Economic levelling, they maintain, is not economic progress.

    5) Faith in prescription and distrust of “sophisters, calculators, and economists” who would reconstruct society upon abstract designs. Custom, convention, and old prescription are checks both upon man’s anarchic impulse and upon the innovator’s lust for power.

    6) Recognition that change may not be salutary reform: hasty innovation may be a devouring conflagration, rather than a torch of progress. Society must alter, for prudent change is the means of social preservation; but a statesman must take Providence into his calculations, and a statesman’s chief virtue, according to Plato and Burke, is prudence.”

    ― Russell Kirk, The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #3242655, posted on November 23, 2019 at 8:33 am

    For those who have trouble with Dot’s endless videos make sure you have Autoplay turned off.

    The trouble is that sometimes those settings are somehow overriden from time-to-time and the fucking things start autoplaying again.
    I suspect it is phone manufacturers updates “to enhance my experience” by resetting defaults.
    Anyway, people who want to watch endless videos of whatever floats their boat can always fuck off over to YouTube.

  85. So basically conservatives follow Aquinas.

    That’s good enough for me and close enough to liberalism to be acceptable.

  86. struth

    One of the great errors of political taxonomy is to classify Hitler as right-wing. He, and still more his closest colleague, Goebbels, were socialists, and the fact they were nationalists first did not orient them more to the right. There are six indispensable hallmarks of a conservative. First, firm belief in one, beneficent and omnipotent God. No , just an understanding of history and the freedoms christianity allowsSecond, absolute morality as the basis of public law. No, democracy, true democracy and the rule of law Third, strict limits on the size of the state. No, practical limits and control of the state not the other way roundFourth, respect for a multiplicity of traditional power centres. Fifth, restraint and self-restraint in all things. No, not restraint, personal responsibility
    Sixth, search for the right balance between the individual and the traditional units of society. Hitler broke all these rules: he was an atheistic pagan, a moral relativist, a totalitarian, an ultra-centralist, an uninhibited exhibitionist and a collectivist. In many ways Stalin was to the right of him. There is a seventh point. A conservative is not afraid of force, or of using it thoroughly. But always as a last resort. With Hitler it was the first.

    Great post Mater, but I always get put off a bit when lefties describe right wingers even though even a lefties analysis of us means an honest lefty can see Hitler was not of the right.
    So I just added my own thoughts.

    I’ll be off now to other threads because this one takes too long to load.

  87. Kirk’s Six Canons of Conservatism

    My brain said:

    “Kirk Sorenson thorium”

  88. jo

    2dogs
    #3242642, posted on November 23, 2019 at 8:15 am

    the Finns have a better education system than ours

    Yes, mainly due to the schools being run out local, municipal government. Parents have a lot of control this way.

    That would not be hard. Recently, the Finns have slipped back due to using computerised teaching to save money.

  89. struth

    Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes, as against the notion of a “classless society.”

    Bullshit.
    Leftist dribble.

  90. jo

    What’s wrong with that past K-2 where basic literacy and numeracy are taught?

    You can do an entire maths degree online.

    Teachers must be shitting themselves regarding the decentralisation of education.

  91. Anthony

    Is it all over yet?
    Sure looks like it.

  92. struth

    No I don’t agree with Russel Kirk there.
    Just a lefty with his distorted opinion , I believe.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    Twostix

    #3242489, posted on November 23, 2019 at 12:28 am

    Boomers.

    Pay what you owe

    Already have.
    Many times over.
    But the Ys and Xs and millennials kept voting themselves free stuff, so the cupboard is bare.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    That would not be hard. Recently, the Finns have slipped back due to using computerised teaching to save money.

    Teaching using imputers?
    Wow!

  95. Tom

    Liberty quote:

    A true reactionary has no sense of humour. You must be able to propose the impossible with a straight face.
    — Joseph de Maistre

    From Mater’s excellent read about the sleight-of-hand that made Hitler right-wing.

  96. Nick

    Crept’ a computer only needs information punched into it once.

  97. Ah yes…

    They have the internet on computers now. Technology! Science! (Endless videos!)

  98. Tailgunner

    What is the CFMMEU position on Chinese companies bringing in their own construction crews?

    Yeah, it’s an interesting one,BJ.
    We’re being sold out by our betters at Head Office. Word is the CFMEU leadership own these companies that only have Afghani tilers,Chinky plasterers and , surprisingly, Chilean site cleaners.
    I’m going to call them out as racists. No Anglos in their crews

  99. Nick

    I wonder when the pollies and so-called public servants will have the guts to define how much Aboriginal blood one must have in order to receive ‘benefits’ and vote in this Voice thing, and thereby exclude those fake indig people?

    This is the billion dollar question. The Left are fixated more on eugenics than the Nazis ever were.

    Another thought. If Tony Abbott had written the foreword to Black Emu, the book would have been Fisked in five minutes flat.

  100. DrBeauGan

    Not only do the Finns have a better education system than ours

    Kazakhstan has a better education system than ours..

  101. Iran arguably has a better education system than us, teaching kids calculus in primary school.

    Maybe we could aspire to such heights if we were trying to build the bomb.

    Perhaps we wouldn’t promise to nuke the holy land nor immanentise the eschaton either.

  102. MatrixTransform

    endless videos make sure you have Autoplay turned off.

    Seriously… do half of you people reload a page and have all the videos play ???

    FFS !

    blew up my browser indeed … seriously put yr computer back in the box and take it back to the shop you bought it from

  103. struth

    Not only do the Finns have a better education system than ours

    Says one of the reasons ours is so shithouse.

  104. BrettW

    Regarding overseas workers.

    Before the election Shorten had a photo taken in WA with large group construction workers. Every face was Chinese.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    BrettW

    #3242695, posted on November 23, 2019 at 9:12 am

    Regarding overseas workers.

    Before the election Shorten had a photo taken in WA with large group construction workers. Every face was Chinese

    Even Bill’s face was Chinese?
    Wow!
    Probably just sucking up to pie-lady in shop.

  106. BrettW

    Aren’t there stamp or coin collector blogs for the multiple video linkers to go and entertain ? Those guys probably not discovered YouTube yet and will be thrilled.

  107. struth

    ‘He belonged to the ultra-Tory and ultra-protestant party, and was the embodiment of old-fashioned prejudice.’ He was one of the diehard group of 53 Tories who censured free trade in 1852. His one parliamentary success was to get the proposed grant to Prince Albert reduced by half on the grounds that he promoted ‘foreign influence’,

    A lefty claims this is right wing?

  108. Mater

    Second, absolute morality as the basis of public law.
    No, democracy, true democracy and the rule of law

    Struth, I tend to agree with most of your adjustments to Johnson’s definitions. However, with this one, I think you’re arguing cross purposes. Johnson thinks morality must be at the basis of law, and I agree. Remember that Hitler was originally voted in and subsequently made the laws, along with his cronies. So strict democracy and the rule of law can still go wrong if they are not moral laws. Hitler missed the absolute morality part.

    As Benjamin Franklin said: “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.”

  109. Boambee John

    Trump escaped the draft for Vietnam 5 times and has a weight problem.

    Again with the perseveration, however, the word “deferred” has disappeared. Perhaps the sufferer looked in the mirror, and realised that it might reflect back?

  110. MatrixTransform

    Can confirm the teams of Chinese plasterers on building sites

    like ants.

    All day singing and dancing and plastering to asian girly pop songs

  111. Dr Fred Lenin

    Comrade Corbynov in the UK claims Socialism Works and he is correct ,Cuba loves antique cars ,China loves Hong Kong <North Korea love banging noises and has Closed Borders none of your SJW nonsense in Socialist countries . We can ask comrade Rhiannonov the ex gangrene she went to uni in Soviet Russia .

  112. Leigh Lowe

    From Max Siccar’s link to Chris Kenny at 7:15:-

    Much of the debate has not been honest.

    The description of the voice as a “third chamber” has been particularly damaging and was never a justifiable way to describe an advisory body on a limited remit. The divisive term was used by then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, his vanquished predecessor Tony Abbott and former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce.

    How long before any politician who ignores the “advisory body” is hounded from public life because waaaacism?
    How long before an activist Mordy-judge relies upon the vibe of an “advisory body” resolution to overturn black-letter law?
    Kenny is a naive moron.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    All day singing and dancing and plastering to asian girly pop songs

    Have you got a video?

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Aren’t there stamp or coin collector blogs for the multiple video linkers to go and entertain ? Those guys probably not discovered YouTube yet and will be thrilled.

    Or, dare I say, train-spotting blogs.

  115. MatrixTransform

    Have you got a video?

    I would but I couldn’t stand reading 3 pages of whingeing … don’t wanna break my browser.

  116. Subversive, conservative beats written by money hating Scottish commos.

  117. struth

    Struth, I tend to agree with most of your adjustments to Johnson’s definitions. However, with this one, I think you’re arguing cross purposes. Johnson thinks morality must be at the basis of law, and I agree. Remember that Hitler was originally voted in and subsequently made the laws, along with his cronies. So strict democracy and the rule of law can still go wrong if they are not moral laws. Hitler missed the absolute morality part.

    Yes, the agreed morality of the people comes through a democratic system where the people control a representative government kept in check.
    Hitler never received a majority and there was nothing but force and no democracy once he got power.
    You couldn’t vote Hitler out.

    Morality should never be the representative’s morality, but the morality of the majority of his constituents.
    And moralities change.
    As we have seen with the disgusting issues in NSW where reps were given a “conscience vote”
    While the majority of their constituents were against late term abortion, in a complete act of authoritarianism, the morals of the majority were ignored for the solitary morality of the “so called” rep.

  118. cohenite

    Kenny is a naive moron.

    On this most definitely. But even Kenny went cross-eyed when he was talking to possum man about Pascoe’s reinvention of 43rd nation’s culture as being the best thing since sliced bread, which they invented incidentally.

  119. Morality should never be the representative’s morality, but the morality of the majority of his constituents.
    And moralities change.
    As we have seen with the disgusting issues in NSW where reps were given a “conscience vote”
    While the majority of their constituents were against late term abortion, in a complete act of authoritarianism, the morals of the majority were ignored for the solitary morality of the “so called” rep.

    The aristocratic ruling class of lawtradespeople.

  120. struth

    Decided to do a bit of trolling this morning, dot?

  121. Leigh Lowe

    On this most definitely. But even Kenny went cross-eyed when he was talking to possum man about Pascoe’s reinvention of 43rd nation’s culture as being the best thing since sliced bread, which they invented incidentally.

    Which is precisely the sort of tripe which will be served up through the third chamber which Kenny is cheering on.
    Did the article mention he is on the committee to set this thing up?
    Any conflict?

  122. struth

    Funny, you’ve learned how to link!!

  123. Nick

    I’ve said it previously here, that within ten years time, it will be illegal to say that first contact indigenes were unclothed and carrying spears and that Colonial art that depicts the same is historically wrong and racist. Just watch.

  124. Tel

    Energy and Environment Minister Matt Kean said his plans offered a path “to end the climate wars and achieve net-zero [carbon] emissions by 2050” and stoke economic growth.

    Mr Kean said NSW would remove a region in the central west, centred on Dubbo, from the rules governing how investment is approved in the main grid, known as the National Electricity Market (NEM).

    Greyhounds Mk II.

    Serious question … What is wrong with these guys? The past years of ALP corruption I didn’t like but it kind of made sense, you could understand what they were up to and why. With these NSW liberals all they have to do is nothing, which should be the easiest job in the world. WTF gets into their heads?

  125. cohenite

    Which is precisely the sort of tripe which will be served up through the third chamber which Kenny is cheering on.
    Did the article mention he is on the committee to set this thing up?
    Any conflict?

    I agree. Kenny’s condition is cognitive dissonance; do-gooders, virtue signallers and the left generally are defined by it. It’s a shame because on some other issues Kenny is pretty good at calling out bullshit.

  126. Nick

    He’s the Uncle Chris on the committee.

  127. Shy Ted

    Learn ABC speak with Geraldine Dog every Satdy morning 7.30-9 ($250k p.a)
    “Talent pool” – non or poor-English speaking, culturally incompatible migrants and refugees who haven’t yet found a job after several years here.
    “The human dimension of bushfires” – arsonists.
    “Sparks coming from faulty brakes on trains” – the cause of most bushfires.
    “Alterations and deviations from traditional use of retail” – shopping.
    “Queenslanders didn’t understand the message” – ALP lost.
    “Clive Palmer’ advertising campaign” -ALP lost.
    “The enlightened message from Bob Brown’ Green convoy” – ALP lost because Qlders ain’t stupid.
    “Parochial” – productive Qlders.
    “I interviewed a diesel mechanic from rural Qld who is geographically and occupationally mobile” – as Qld Labor shut down consecutive industries, hardworking man moved to where there was work.
    “I interviewed Kevin Rudd. He blames the Murdoch press” – ALP lost.
    “The definitive work on Captain James Cook. Such a good book. I recommend you go out and buy one straight away” – Pirate Pete’ new book.
    “My 4 researchers put an awful lot of effort into researching the real Cook” – I cut and pasted their work and put my name on the cover.

  128. I am all for a third chamber if it is elected by sortition.

    Hell, let the people be a semi-active fourth chamber with the right to recall public figures and strike down bad laws.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    Shy Ted

    #3242729, posted on November 23, 2019 at 9:45 am

    Learn ABC speak with Geraldine Dog every Satdy 

    On the subject of public broadcaster speak, has anyone noticed that the SBS voiceovers on promos now all sound like Afghani taxi-drivers, Chinese prasterers or Chilean cleaners?

  130. Geriatric Mayfly

    I have to ask is it really necessary to post daily multiple links about people playing the piano in shopping centres, trains, planes or whatever. I am perfectly capable of finding such things on YouTube if I want to. It is presumptious to assume the rest of us have your interests.

    I have an addiction to the BBC Shipping Report. It’s touch and go as to whether I should foist it on those who need to be made aware of my particular tastes.

  131. cohenite

    Frank you have some good ideas but until you can listen to and ring up and get a point across on the Poppy talk back show on 2SM Saturday mornings from 7am to noon or Sunday from noon until the bitch pisses off you haven’t done the hard yards.

  132. Ellie

    Matrix, keep the videos coming. Nothing wrong with attaching them as you do.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ve said it previously here, that within ten years time, it will be illegal to say that first contact indigenes were unclothed and carrying spears and that Colonial art that depicts the same is historically wrong and racist. Just watch.

    Or everyone will be nude because Gaia-insulting plastic and water-munching cotton. No leather, no wool, and not even faux fur.

    Animal rights activist charged with attempted murder in stabbing of woman wearing fake fur (21 Nov)

    CLEVELAND — A woman with a history of attacks on people wearing fur has been charged with attempted murder for stabbing a woman she believed was wearing the material at a church outside Cleveland, police said.

    I wonder what she’d do to someone wearing a traditional possum skin cloak?

  134. dover_beach

    Already have.
    Many times over.
    But the Ys and Xs and millennials kept voting themselves free stuff, so the cupboard is bare.

    Neither the Xs or Millennials have been in senior positions in corporations, the bureaucracy or government, in greater numbers than Boomers over the last 40 years. It’s hard not to look at the first graph here measuring large dam construction in Australia and not point the bone at Boomers. The last substantive decade of large dam construction was the 1980s; nothing since. Not one. And this has occurred in a period in which our population has increased by 43% due largely to immigration.

  135. Tel

    And there is the crunch. If we are to keep a federal power over ­indigenous affairs — to manage native title and deliver policies to close the gap on health, education, employment and the like — then how is it radical to have a representative advisory body to work with government on Aboriginal issues?

    Why the heck would anyone want that?

    The states are supposed to be handling land titles, it’s never been part of any Commonwealth responsibility.

    The whole “close the gap” is meaningless, because people are different and there’s always going to be differences between them. Nothing in the Australian Constitution about a requirement for homogenizing Australia.

    All Australians get the same voice right now. If any group wants to assemble in a shed somewhere and chat about their issues, then select a representative to write letters and put forward their views, they can go that easily enough already.

  136. Mak Siccar

    Leigh Lowe
    #3242720, posted on November 23, 2019 at 9:37 am

    Did the article mention he is on the committee to set this thing up?
    Any conflict?

    IIRC, yes he did mention that.
    Nevertheless, in this Voice thingy, he is seriously off the rails.

  137. classical_hero

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/chief_justice_roberts_now_dragged_into_democrat_impeachment_process_.html

    Looks like the Democrats didn’t think the impeachment process properly because it looks like that Justice Roberts will need to recuse himself from being in charge of the trial. Each passing moment gets better with the idiots.

  138. Mark M

    How wrong must an economist be?

    2013, Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on [global warming] – it’s far, far worse’

    “Author of 2006 review speaks out on danger to economies as planet absorbs less carbon and is ‘on track’ for 4C rise”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/27/nicholas-stern-climate-change-davos

    And here is “eminent climate economist” Lord Nicholas Stern 3 years ago saying Chinese coal use had peaked-

    Stern 2016: China coal use peaked.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/25/china-coal-peak-hailed-turning-point-climate-change-battle

    2019: China ramps up coal power in face of emissions efforts
    Study shows new plants being added equivalent to entire capacity of EU
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20112019/china-ramps-coal-power-despite-pressure-cut-emissions

  139. Tel

    Iran arguably has a better education system than us, teaching kids calculus in primary school.

    Maybe we could aspire to such heights if we were trying to build the bomb.

    We are teaching our kids valuable doublethink and evasiveness. Those things don’t show up so much on test scores but learning job skills only helps in a nation that has some industry.

    Teaching them enough math to calculate that coal power stations are cheaper than anything else would be risky and besides that, quite redundant given they would be able to calculate the answer but never allowed to speak it out loud.

  140. Shy Ted

    Never been much of a historian but have found a lot of the rewriting of indigenius history fascinating. And the rebuttals. Of course ludicrous claims are so long in the public domain and spruiked so relentlessly by the ABC that it’s taken as gospel. So anyway, my own bit of research has led me to the conclusion, using Pascoesque leaps of imagination, that the first smart phone was invented by our indigenius folks. It’s a Nokia which is by no means cutting edge but it seems to have been shortened for “Nokiaontheheadwithanullanulla” which is widely known as a traditional way of communicating. Standard apps include GPS (Grug points star) (clearly astronomy), into net explorer (clearly an indigenius nationwide aquaculture reference) and PDF (pucking dust & flies) viewer so you can look at the dust & flies in more detail.
    It’s easy, history.

  141. mh

    Fox News

    Will Ferrell says Christopher Walken is annoyed by ‘SNL’ cowbell sketch

    Christopher Walken would really prefer less cowbell.

    The 76-year-old cult film icon apparently feels scarred from a popular “Saturday Night Live” skit he was part of during the 25th season of the late-night NBC show in 2000.

    In it, the guest host played Blue Oyster Cult producer Bruce Dickinson, who instructs fictional band member Gene Frenkle — portrayed by then-cast member Will Ferrell — to use “more cowbell” on the group’s landmark hit “Don’t Fear the Reaper.”

    The skit also featured Chris Kattan, Chris Parnell, Horatio Sanz and Jimmy Fallon (who has a hard time keeping himself from laughing throughout the sketch).

    “Guess what? I got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell!” Walken implores before the group records the track during the nearly six-minute-long skit.

    Ferrell, 52, who returns to host the show for the fifth time this Saturday, shared Walken’s feelings Thursday during a visit to “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.” He said he visited Walken backstage at a theater performance many years after the sketch aired and the actor told him, “You know, you’ve ruined my life.”

    Walken — who won a 1979 Oscar for Best Actor in a Supporting Role for “The Deer Hunter” — reportedly told Ferrell that his fans are a bit overzealous about the sketch.

    “‘People during the curtain call bring cowbells and ring them. The other day I went for an Italian food lunch and the waiter asked if I wanted more cowbell with my pasta bolognese,’” Ferrell said Walken told him backstage. “And I think he was really mad at me. He had a little smile, but …”

    Ferrell, who said he will spend Thanksgiving with family in Boston this year, suggested that Walken’s career only has three high points.

    “From ‘The Deer Hunter’ to ‘Pulp Fiction’ to ‘More Cowbell’ — that’s all he gets,” Ferrell said. “What are ya gonna do?

  142. Shy Ted

    On the subject of public broadcaster speak, has anyone noticed that the SBS voiceovers on promos now all sound like Afghani taxi-drivers, Chinese prasterers or Chilean cleaners?
    You’re right, LL. That’s because the voiceovers are done by Afghani taxi-drivers, Chinese prasterers or Chilean cleaners?
    And I do like the r/l repracement in prasterer. Jairable lacist offence but crever.

  143. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hopefully Labor and the Greens will be inspired by this selfless act to show their own personal commitment to saving the planet.

    ‘We need fewer humans’: Man Decides To Fight ‘Climate Change’ With Surgery For His Testicles — A Vasectomy (22 Nov)

    A 38-year-old man has become the latest person to trumpet his dedication to fighting climate change by doing something unusual: getting a vasectomy.

    Siler compares the carbon emissions he’d save by relinquishing his 15 mpg pickup truck, 2.4 tons of carbon emissions a year, to what he’d save the planet by eschewing having children: around 58 tons annually, per kid. He breathes, “Any other action we could take, even all the actions we could ever possibly add up together, pale in comparison.”

    With one snip he has significantly improved the human species.

  144. How wrong must an economist be?

    2013, Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on [global warming] – it’s far, far worse’

    Why is that economists are consulted regarding the validity or otherwise of a scientific scam?
    Physicists, chemists and mathematicians (esp. Atmospheric physicists) need only apply.

    Even then we have theoretical physicists (who know jack shit about the atmosphere) attempting to be the master authority on the warming scam.

    Oh what a fscked up world we live in.

  145. Maybe some veterans want answers about Biden and Putin’s puppet, Yanukovich.

  146. Paldor, McIntyre, Beenstock, Reigenwertz, all competent economists who looked deeper into the global warming data and showed it was a non-issue.

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    Christopher Walken would really prefer less cowbell.

    Not his weapon of choice?
    Talented guy, he did do that video himself.

  148. MatrixTransform

    keep the videos coming. Nothing wrong with attaching them as you do.

    I know but there are rumblings among the administrative class
    have decided that the interwebs needs dumbing down because nanna cant work out how to use her tech
    everybody needs to adapt their behaviour for the lowest common denominator
    no browsing without a hi viz vest and traffic cones

    Look fella’s a yourtube embed thumbnail should only be about 15-20 kb your browsers arent downloading the whole video and it probably isnt even downloading all the javascript that goes with it.

    …unless you click on it.
    …or your fascist computer/phone/scratchpad is auto playing them.

    struth prolly has the only legitimate complaint because his interwebs works via carrier pigeon

  149. Shy Ted

    Jamfancy #3242536, posted on November 23, 2019 at 4:03 am
    Heads up Cats, they are moving the goal posts again,
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-19/nitrous-oxide-greenhouse-gas-increasing/11714240”

    We’re all gonna die laughing.

  150. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    “From ‘The Deer Hunter’ to ‘Pulp Fiction’ to ‘More Cowbell’ — that’s all he gets,” Ferrell said. “What are ya gonna do?”

    This.

  151. Heads up Cats, they are moving the goal posts again,

    Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?

    🤡🌏

  152. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Great work, BoN.

  153. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Why is that economists are consulted regarding the validity or otherwise of a scientific scam?

    It’s about enlarging the range of topics on which they can be wrong about, every time.

  154. struth prolly has the only legitimate complaint because his interwebs works via carrier pigeon

    His papers are read on community radio three weeks in arrears (sent from Melbin and Sidonee) by the two smartest camp dogs.

  155. Old School Conservative

    lily
    #3242593, posted on November 23, 2019 at 6:54 am
    Added to our problems we have a do nothing happy clapping false prophet Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

    Exactly what I heard on George and Paul, 2gb, this morning.
    A deliberate, low profile, non-culture wars, inactive participant. Morrison has chosen this strategy as it has served him so well in the past. No contributions to conservative positions so as to not frighten the punters.
    (interview with Dennis Shanahan IIRC).
    However, I do applaud his words of respect to the armed services before his speeches.

  156. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Scenes from the front lines of multicu*tural VenOztraliastan, part eleventy gazillion and ninety seven.

    Out on my run this morning and start approaching a (presumably) female m00zley clad in the traditional tent. Moon face was fully exposed, however. As I approached I heard a filthy ol’ goatfucker across the street start bellowing at her. She then proceeded to cover around 93.1% of her face as I approached and then passed.

    There was no way I was going to let that act of bastardry go unnoticed.

    “You stupid old sexist pig” I bellowed back, then flipped him the bird and continued on my way.

    Further on I approached the front yard of a forty something Asian guy who was heading out. He bade me good morning which was reciprocated.

    Not everyone is an arsehole, it just seems like it most of the time.

  157. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    so as to not frighten the punters

    Who the jellyfish then expects to vote for him.

    The gliberals didn’t win the last election, Teats and Turtle lost it courtesy of their arrogant tin eared stupidity.

  158. thefrollickingmole

    Infidel Tiger
    #3242500, posted on November 23, 2019 at 12:54 am
    Before you cark it at least build one single dam or power plant.
    Just one.
    Your parents gave you dozens.
    The worst people in human history.
    Our revenge will be leaving to rot alone in nursing homes staffed by third world nurses, with intermittent power and no running water.

    After we ban adult nappies (because plastic is bad mmmkaaaay)

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    SM III – Seeing we’re into such things, and me linking stories about Darwinian improvement of the human race, here’s another great Fatboy Slim video.

  160. thefrollickingmole

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3242733, posted on November 23, 2019 at 9:49 am
    I have an addiction to the BBC Shipping Report. It’s touch and go as to whether I should foist it on those who need to be made aware of my particular tastes.

    GM is a lady, confirmed!!!

  161. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom,

    A.F.Branco today

    I will add one for you “Orange Man Bad”

    from this article – Impeachment Theatre Offers Americans Glimpse Of The Unseen-Unelected Who Actually Rule Over Us

    If you have ever been in an American White Collar Factory Floor – eg American Airlines 1500 workers on single floor under one roof in Dallas, you will appreciate “Orange Man Bad”

  162. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Or Monteagle.

  163. struth

    At least you could type slower.
    I am in a country town and some days it’s good and other days shit house and slow, so it’s not my state of the art laptop with shoddy r and yyy buttons.
    I refuse to go on the NBN, and you make me pay by embedding videos.
    as it is when the kids get home from school the internet near collapses.
    We’re on pixel rationing here, there’s a pixel drought and you city folk don’t seem to care.

  164. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I will add one for you “Orange Man Bad”

    People, could we show Fatty Trump some due deference, please? It’s “Orange Florida Man Bad”.

  165. MatrixTransform

    I want my—I want my—I want my NBN [repeat until the end]
    Get you money for nothin’, and the chicks for free
    Money for nothin’, chicks for free

  166. struth

    not my kids , the town kids.
    Last upload of page took 40 seconds.

  167. thefrollickingmole

    8th dork hardest hit…

    David Dungay inquest: guards who restrained Indigenous man before his death won’t be disciplined

    Having done cell extractions before the deciision to release footage is a purely shit stirring & pandering gambit.
    It never looks “nice” or “fair”, and they will always bellow, yell 7 carry on like you are killing them because thats all they can do.
    But going in mob handed ensures less injuries to both staff and the person being restrained, unless there is evidence of a flogging been given or something way out of line this was an open and shut takedown with and unfortunate outcome after the use of the sedative.
    The fuckup is in the response (medical) which was piss poor.

    But Shithouse the lawyer is onto it, seeking another “muh feelz” payout.

  168. That aint workin’
    That’s the way to do it

  169. MatrixTransform

    Last upload of page took 40 seconds.

    omg that is slow.

    as a comparison how long does the last page of the Old Fred take?

    rotate those pigeons mate

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    NBN is actually rather good here.
    By contrast of an evening I see many of the residents of Boganville on their front porches looking at their phones.
    Three bars is luxury.

  171. struth

    Do you have your NBN provided by Dark Emu Cable & Wireless?

  172. MatrixTransform

    as a matter of interest do you run an adblocker?

    What Ive done is load a hosts file into the PC using .. http://www.abelhadigital.com/hostsman/

    helps to short circuit a lot of chit-chat that yr pc has with the interwebs

  173. JC

    NBN is actually rather good here.

    When they finally come to my side of the woods, it will slow down my service as I’m currently going through cable. Cable is faster than the NBN.

    The one size fits all soviet model has always worked a treat.

  174. cohenite

    McIntyre is a mathematician, I thought.

    A rocket scientist actually. His only fault is he won’t or can’t translate his many rebuttals of the statistical sophistry of alarmism into something the punters will latch onto. Ross McKitrick who along with 2 other stats and maths guys, Chris Essex and Bjarne Andresen, learnt this after their seminal and ignored paper on why a GAT, global average temperature, the basis of alarmism, is wrong.

  175. MatrixTransform

    use the MVPS host file

    be mindful though that google searches return paid links … and the host file will make them fail if you click on them

  176. Tel

    The gliberals didn’t win the last election, Teats and Turtle lost it courtesy of their arrogant tin eared stupidity.

    Democracy is the least worst system of government, and the Libs are the least worst major party within that system.

    We aren’t expecting good outcomes … merely trying to delay the disastrous outcomes.

  177. classical_hero

    https://youtu.be/GSlLZ9DYEp0

    Thank God I’m not the only one to think that the Melbourne Cup is a bogan festival.

  178. JC

    Democracy is the least worst system of government, and the Libs are the least worst major party within that system.

    We aren’t expecting good outcomes … merely trying to delay the disastrous outcomes.

    Delay is always a good strategy through. Delay enough and you beat the bad times by dying ahead of it.

    It’s always been my game plan for pretty much everything in life. 🙂

  179. struth

    I’m on the wireless broadband.
    I’m just hoping the aborigines come up with some better technology soon.

  180. JC

    McIntyre is a mathematician, I thought.

    A rocket scientist actually.

    He’s difficult to understand at a blogging level. His writing is more akin to people with some high level science degrees or understanding.

    I thought he was a mining entrepreneur with a Harvard education.

  181. Entropy

    The purpose of Nick Stern’s report was to provide a veneer of credibility to the actions the marxists wanted to do re renewable energy.
    To do it the faker had to junk generations of cost benefit analysis by applying a discount rate of zero. Give future money any value and the sums would have had no chance of adding up.

  182. When they finally come to my side of the woods, it will slow down my service as I’m currently going through cable. Cable is faster than the NBN.

    That’s what happened to me.
    I used to have a PDQ home service.
    It is now a slag and dies a few times a week.
    My tip for home NBN. Avoid it if you can and use 4G/5G if available.
    A colleague gets 85mbps from Telstra 4G and it costs less than the same speed from NBN.

  183. Entropy

    JC
    #3242806, posted on November 23, 2019 at 11:04 am
    NBN is actually rather good here.

    When they finally come to my side of the woods, it will slow down my service as I’m currently going through cable. Cable is faster than the NBN.

    The one size fits all soviet model has always worked a treat

    Ditto. They will force me over early in the new year.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    Usual suspect.

    Palestinian governor of Jerusalem arrested again

    Israeli security forces arrested the Palestinian governor of Jerusalem on Thursday at his home in the Silwan neighborhood, in the city’s east. … “He was arrested on suspicion of connection with Palestinians working around Jerusalem conducting illegal activity. It is not allowed in Jerusalem to hold activities connected to the Palestinian Authority.”

    Ghaith was detained six times this year.

    It’d be a fun game except there’re signs the Israeli man-in-the-street is getting pissed off.

  185. cohenite

    The fact is there is no shortage of brilliant people out there who have eviscerated the bullshit of alarmism. The problem is that alarmism has been absorbed by the media and bureaucrats who control the politicians except for Trump and a few lessor brave souls. And look what is happening to Trump. The great issue facing the West could literally be countered by rounding up a few media operators and key bureaucrats plus a couple of academics and sending them to the Sun.

    Obviously soros would be a start. Bezos. Bloomberg. Zuckerman.

  186. To do it the faker had to junk generations of cost benefit analysis by applying a discount rate of zero. Give future money any value and the sums would have had no chance of adding up.

    He also doubled counted to make it all fit in his ludicrous model.

    What a douche.

  187. JC

    Rambler, just now I tested the speed. The download speed is running at 111.50. I’m fucked with the NBN.

  188. JC

    I will trying to delay the conversion as long as possible.

  189. OldOzzie

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3242803, posted on November 23, 2019 at 11:01 am
    struth

    Do you have your NBN provided by Dark Emu Cable & Wireless?

    Struth,

    apartment in Singapore SGD $39 per month unlimited download

    423 Mbps Download 464,5 Mbps Upload on OKLA Speed Test

    My current NBN on Old Telstra HFC Cable on Aussie Broadband AUD $99 per month Max on HFC 100/40 Mbps – unlimited download

    Okla Speed just then 95.8 Mbps Download 38.4 Upload

    consistently see those speeds

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Pascoe’s book pushes the theme that the indigenous lived in stone huts, in villages of up to a thousand or more, domesticated animals and planted crops – that they were far more sophisticated then the Stone age “hunter gatherers”

    Clearly, as early ethnographic and photographic work shows, they weren’t. Where are the aboriginal people who will speak up against this awful bowdlerizing of their very ancient heritage, trying to make it whiter than white?? Their heritage stands for itself, the story of their serial migrations from the first source of our common humanity. They existed as largely cut off from the rest of the human race in an isolated and often dry continent in small groups who occasionally came together for ceremonies, and they survived, bred, and to some extent prospered. They changed the nature of the ecology and the land itself with fire and hunting techniques that worked. They had a rich mythology and have left an artistic presence that complements that of other stone age cultures elsewhere. That is surely enough? To pass down
    through time with a viable (i.e. able to sustain life and reproduce) culture, to survive and finally have the opportunity to live in and share in the world heritage that is called civilization. Most today are in their genetic coding as ‘aboriginal’ as I am ‘ancient Briton’, that is, not very much at all. The history is there though, to recognize and appreciate. I greatly dislike to be told that the ancient Britons made spaceships and contacted aliens, in a bowdlerization of their megalithic traditions.

    This Dark Emu man is a fraud and an imposter. Call him out, anyone who really comprehends the heritage to the world and the real value of our verified and empirical knowledge of traditional aboriginal culture.

    (comment box going haywire with the line spacing; apologies, can’t fix it)

  191. struth

    Downloading any other thread other than this one full of embedded videos is instantaneous and yes I run add blocker.

    Videos play fine, etc, it just won’t download a page of embedded quickly, so can you bloody well stop it.
    There is no need.
    When it’s just one or two it’s fine but , look, how about we ask you to consider the amount of embedded videos on the page before you decide you can’t just fucking link to it like fucking classy fucking people like me would fucking do, because I’ve got fucking manners , and fucking class.
    FFS

  192. Ditto. They will force me over early in the new year.

    Entropy. The sh1tty part is that with NBN the streaming movie stops intermittently to the point of being unwatchable.
    When I complain, the pr1cks argue that the service provides an average download speed of X over each day.
    Fscken useless POS.

  193. Arky

    I just watched the Prince Andrew interview.
    If it had been scripted and acted as farce by actual comics it would be unbelievable.
    Bloke comes across as completely reptilian. This family is finished.
    Serious question: Is Andrew retarded?


  194. I agree with struth on the embedded videos. If I disable my filters (uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger) a page refresh takes a very long time. With the filters on (which kills embedded youtubes), it is quick.

  195. Mater

    423 Mbps Download 464,5 Mbps Upload on OKLA Speed Test

    Mine today:
    3.7 Mbps Download 0.5 Mbps Upload OKLA Speed Test

  196. JC

    Oh stop Cronkite.

    There is a good argument for clean energy as we already have the technology and over a period 100 years the conversion would produce incredible results. Demand for cheap and abundant energy is straight up at a 90 degree angle. There’s not enough decent coal in the world and in the right places to be able to produce the gargantuan demand we require.
    There’s also a trader’s first rule too, which is don’t put your eggs in one basket. Translated extended, it means don’t fuck around with the only planet we have.

    The only energy production form that is able to produce this is nuclear – particularly 4th gen reactors. If nuclear was un-0hobbled the potential supply is virtually unlimited.

    Put your “energy” behind advocating for nuke.

  197. OldOzzie

    incoherent rambler
    #3242832, posted on November 23, 2019 at 11:23 am
    I agree with struth on the embedded videos. If I disable my filters (uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger) a page refresh takes a very long time. With the filters on (which kills embedded youtubes), it is quick.

    I think power of computer may also have something to do with it as my page refresh is instantaneous

  198. cohenite

    Serious question: Is Andrew retarded?

    No. The elite – those who want power for its own sake – are just being unmasked and they don’t give a rats.

  199. Tom

    I’m on the wireless broadband.
    I’m just hoping the aborigines come up with some better technology soon.

    Spot on, Struth. To survive Australia, you need a shitholeology degree (and residency in an offshore tax haven).

  200. John Constantine

    People assume that the Prince interview was scripted by his advisors to get the minor royal off the hook.

    Once you assume it was scripted by the clinton crime family to get bill off the hook, then it all falls into place.

    Media cycle right off billy-bob bubba, exactly as planned.

    [If you have the right tapes, the puppets have to dance to your tune.]

    Comrades.

  201. JC

    Tom

    Haven’t had time. I’ll be going past a post office later today and sending it off.

  202. struth

    Who believes Trump could have started winning against the Chinese without pulling out of Paris.
    The UN global Socialists have been instrumental and still are, in creating exactly what they want.
    Global socialism . A few elites and a world of slaves .

    Without the UN and our subservience to it, China would not be taking over Australia.
    Without the Global warming socialist hoax a powerful, and “powered” west would finish them off.
    But only one nation has done it, and it is already winning

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Variability in hunter-gatherer lifestyles and economic activities is plentifully available via examples of hunter-gatherers in other world contexts, so it is not surprising that a certain amount of variability existed across the many climates and terrains of traditional Australia. But the general pattern does not change sufficiently for any claim to be made about aboriginal peoples in Australia being ‘close to changing’ to any other mode of subsistence, including that of nearby ‘slash and burn’ horticulture and pig domestication as seen in Melanesia. They are certainly not in the same league as the North-West Indian hunting societies of Canada, who were far more settled for long periods and included a far more complex material economy.

  204. John Constantine

    How do wind turbines get away with pretending to produce any useable power at all in viktoria?.

    Was talking to a mate during the blackout this week that could see his local wind towers, but as has been explained to the peasants every blackout, they can’t actually run anything if the coal isn’t hooked up as well.

  205. Tom

    No probs, JC. Before Christmas is fine.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    thefrollickingmole

    #3242796, posted on November 23, 2019 at 10:54 am

    8th dork hardest hit…

    David Dungay inquest: guards who restrained Indigenous man before his death won’t be disciplined

    Bwah, ha, ha.
    8th Dick had them going to jail fo’ mudder.
    But nought.
    No suspension.
    No pay cut.
    Not a mark on their files.
    Self neglect based suicide, pure and simple.

  207. JC #3242836, posted on November 23, 2019 at 11:26 am

    JC sometimes you are right, sometimes you are FOS.
    It’s been a while since I have seen a post with so many wrongs. Truly, a monty quality post.

    Clean – CO2 is clean. Modern coal plants emit into the atmosphere not much more than CO2 and water. True some solid material remains and needs to be dealt with. Just like nukes.
    There is at worst a few hundred years of generation capacity with coal. At best, a couple of thousand years.
    I’m all for nukes, when the base price per kwh competes with coal. At the moment coal wins by a looong way.

    And stop reading green propaganda.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3242822, posted on November 23, 2019 at 11:14 am

    Rambler, just now I tested the speed. The download speed is running at 111.50. I’m fucked with the NBN

    Private Imputator reckons the NBN is vewwy, vewwy fast.
    Then again, he used to mind kids who talked at eight words per minute.

  209. Entropy

    And look what is happening to Trump. The great issue facing the West could literally be countered by rounding up a few media operators and key bureaucrats plus a couple of academics and sending them to the Sun.

    You have absolutely no idea how completely and utterly embedded climate advocacy is in the public service and large bureaucracies. Ever policy must have a team working on the climate change aspects of the policy. I kid you not. It is that CS Lewis foresaw: tyrants must rest, those imposing their will in the belief they are doing good never rest.

    Next up, imposing costs on fertiliser and livestock. For the planet.

  210. JC

    It’s expensive to ship quality coal around the world compared to nuclear fuel. Energy production through the use of fossil fuels would eventually die out, once nuclear energy is scaled. …..Scaling reactor build.

    Look at the US. Trump opened up the use of coal for energy production by removing all the barriers imposed by the Kenyan. However, coal producers are still going broke because of the introduction of energy production through gas.

    The breakthrough caused by fracking in the US has been incredible… revolutionary even. The result is cheaper and cleaner energy in the US.

    Gas could be overtaken by nuke.

    Markets really fucking work!

    As an aside a pal was telling me his heating bill has been halved as he’s accessing gas for use in his home.

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