Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. thefrollickingmole

    1735099
    #3243456, posted on November 24, 2019 at 7:01 am
    This –
    Spurgeon Monkfish III
    #3242776, posted on November 23, 2019 at 10:35 am

    is only slightly removed from this.

    Numberwang is correct.
    That bloke yelling at the lady to cover her face was a potentially violent turd who needed pulling into line.

    Thats what he meant wasnt it?
    Because otherwise his “zinger” was just another blobfish of failure following him around like a wet dog smell.

    Wang hearts Galloway.

    Some wiki highlights..
    In his book I’m Not the Only One (2004), Galloway expresses the opinion that Kuwait is “clearly a part of the greater Iraqi whole, stolen from the motherland by perfidious Albion”

    “I can honestly tell you that there was not a single person to whom I told I was coming to Iraq and hoping to meet with yourself who did not wish me to convey their heartfelt, fraternal greetings and support.” He ended his speech with the statement “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.

    In 2006 a video surfaced showing Galloway greeting Uday Hussein, Saddam’s eldest son, with the title of “Excellency” at Uday’s palace in 1999. Galloway is heard saying he will be with Uday “until the end”. By his own account in I’m Not the Only One, Galloway advised members of Saddam Hussein’s government about the ways to deal with a potential American invasion:

    “The only war that can be fought against a superpower is a war of movement. I brought Tariq Aziz all the writings of Che Guevara and Mao Tse Tung on the arts of revolutionary war and he had them translated into Arabic. Fight a war of movement, take the uniforms off, swim among the Iraqi people and whatever their views on the regime, they will undoubtedly provide deep aquifers of support for a patriotic resistance

    Galloway defended Iraqi insurgents targeting Western forces as “martyrs” during August 2005 in appearances on Middle Eastern television channels, Iraqis who were with the allies security forces he called “collaborators” and said it was “normal” for them to be the targets of suicide bombers
    ….
    In January 2004, a further set of allegations were made in Al-Mada,[115] a newspaper in Iraq. The newspaper claimed to have found documents in the Iraqi national oil corporation showing that Galloway received (through an intermediary) some of the profits arising from the sale of 19.5 million barrels (3,100,000 m³) of oil. Galloway acknowledged that money had been paid into the Mariam Appeal by Iraqi businessmen who had profited from the UN-run programme, but denied benefiting personally, and maintained that, in any case, there was nothing illicit about this:

    “It is hard to see what is dishonourable, let alone “illicit”, about Arab nationalist businessmen donating some of the profits they made from legitimate UN-controlled business with Iraq to anti-sanctions campaigns, as opposed to, say, keeping their profits for themselves.

    “I glorify the Hezbollah national resistance movement, and I glorify the leader of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah

    “Today, the Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw Ghetto, and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jeswsssssss in Warsaw in 1943”

    Galloway asserted on The Wright Stuff chat show (13 March 2008) that the executed boyfriend of gay Iranian asylum seeker Mehdi Kazemi was executed for “sex crimes” rather than for being gay. Galloway also stated on The Wright Stuff that the case of gay rights in Iran was being used by supporters of a war with Iran

    “homosexuals are not executed in Iran, just rapists,”

    Concerning the case of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, an Iranian woman convicted of adultery and sentenced to stoning, which he described as “the so-called stoning case”. Galloway said of Ashtiani’s sentence during the interview: “Every so often an issue comes along which is seized upon by the enemies of Iran and it becomes a heavy problem and magnified

    We have declared Bradford an Issssrael-free zone. We don’t want any Isssssraeli goods, we don’t want any Isrssssaeli services, we don’t want any Issssssraeli academics coming to the university or the college, we don’t even want any Issssssraeli tourists to come to Bradford even if any of them had thought of doing so. We reject this illegal, barbarous, savage state that calls itself Issssssrael. And you have to do the same

    On 13 October 2014, Galloway abstained from a vote in the House of Commons formally recognising Palestine because the motion included the recognition of Issssssrael as well. On the Respect website he advocated a one-state solution.
    ….
    Galloway accused Shah of favouring Isssssrael. At one point during the campaign, Galloway tweeted a picture of Isssssraelis waving Issssssraeli flags with the caption “Thank you for electing Naz Shah”. The image was juxtaposed with another, showing Palestinians celebrating his own supposedly imminent victory.

    He has been an advocate for the Venezuelan government of Hugo Chávez and, in his Fidel Castro Handbook, for the former Cuban leader.”You were the greatest man I ever met Comandante Fidel”, he tweeted when Castro died in November 2016

    Lets see, pro gay killing, anti semetic, “charity” exploiting mouthpiece for rhe Wussians and any other regieme low enough to pay him.

    No wonder they restricted ‘wang to tards.

  2. John Constantine

    Not all the Chinese students the people’s liberation army secret police take out to sea to poach abalone make it back to shore.

  3. Juan

    it was climate change on the Prince of Wales’ mind, and what he sees as inaction from the world’s leaders that threatens the global economy and ecological systems……
    The speech followed another political speech at the Bay of Islands on Wednesday

    Prince Charles is fast turning me into a Republican.
    I wish Her Maj would tell him to shut the fuck up.

    Don’t forget monarchs don’t express their own views, only the views of their Government.

    As we subsequently learned, the Queen’s “personal” view which she expressed just before the Scottish independence referendum was in fact expressed at the request of erstwhile Prime Minister David Cameron.

    The quandary for conservative monarchists in Australia is substantive action on climate change is and will remain a policy of the UK Government irrespective of which major party occupies the Treasury benches, and hence not only will the Royal Family be free to speak in support of this cause, on occasion they will be made to.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Princess Beatrice – ‘She was asking lots of pertinent questions and had her doubts.
    ‘But by the end of the meeting she was convinced by the Newsnight team and Amanda Thirsk that they had no choice – that it was the only way to put all the rumours behind them.

    Beatrice, plus Fergie, stood by Andrew’s decision. Thirsk was Andrew’s PR.

    Any PR who thinks the media can be trusted has rocks in her head. Interesting that at our lunch on Sunday both Hairy and the host could swap stories of some rueful experiences when dealing with the ABC in particular, but more generally too. The leftist media are laundry specialists in hanging people out to dry. That is why people likely to be interviewed are given ‘media training’, so they also swapped their stories about this. Andrew obviously could have benefitted from proper training by people who had no doubts about the media’s intentions (some training is hopeless, some is superb).

    Surely Her Maj has all members of The Firm given the best of training? Perhaps not, when we look at Charles and Andrew, both of whom trumpet away stomping through china shops. And the media debacle that was Princess Diana. Also, Prince Phillip did the same, hilariously at times, so I wouldn’t want to stop a genuine enthusiast. Perhaps the others are too thick, or too entitled, to take note?

  5. Roger

    The panel have all just agreed that Waffleworth could have one the last election.

    And Trump is Putin’s puppet.

    And Hillary would have been a great POTUS.

    And Gough lost office due to a conspiracy and not his own hubris.

    Und so weiter…

  6. bespoke

    Syphilis, you stinking unflushable piece of shit – how fucking dare you defend m00zley misogynee, you monumental fucking imbecile.

    The constant contradictions of the disturbed mind that is 1735099. The other day he attempted to deflect scrutiny of predators in education by using “feminisation” as a tool.

  7. Rossini

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3243102, posted on November 23, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    Thanks for that!

  8. Roger

    Surely Her Maj has all members of The Firm given the best of training?

    Alas, HM has made similar mistakes, such as that documentary in the late ’60s which allowed BBC cameras into the palace – a day in the life of the royal family or similar – which revealed to the world that behind the mystique of royalty they were as mundane as any upper class family, if not more so. As used to be said of children, as a generual rule the royals should be seen but not heard.

  9. thefrollickingmole

    Galloway is a slithering turd.
    He runs a libel industry by leaving just enough wriggle room in his statements to claim hes misrepresented.
    An unflushable ani-Semmmetic turd.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway
    And naturally one of ‘wangs heroes.

    A further Charity Commission Report published on 7 June 2007 found that the appeal had received funds from Fawaz Zureikat that originated from the Oil For Food programme, and concluded that:

    Although Mr Galloway, Mr Halford and Mr Al-Mukhtar have confirmed that they were unaware of the source of Mr Zureikat’s donations, the Commission has concluded that the charity trustees should have made further enquiries when accepting such large single and cumulative donations to satisfy themselves as to their origin and legitimacy. The Commission’s conclusion is that the charity trustees did not properly discharge their duty of care as trustees to the Appeal in respect of these donations … The Commission is also concerned, having considered the totality of the evidence before it, that Mr Galloway may also have known of the connection between the Appeal and the Programme

    A report by the then-majority Republican Party staff of the United States Senate Committee on Investigations published in October 2005 asserted that Galloway had “knowingly made false or misleading statements under oath”.[123][124] The report exhibits bank statements, which the authors claim show that $150,000 of proceeds from the Oil-for-Food programme had been paid to Galloway’s wife Amineh Abu-Zayyad.[125]

    It also asserts that Galloway (and the Mariam Appeal) received eight allocations of oil from the Iraqi government amounting to 23 million barrels from 1999 to 2003. The Mariam Appeal was also found to have improperly received $446,000 via the Oil-for-Food programme.[124] Tariq Aziz was said to have told the investigators that oil had been allocated in the names of two of Galloway’s representatives, Buhan Al-Chalabi and Fawaz Zureikat.[126] Aziz had told the investigators: “These oil allocations were for the benefit of George Galloway and for Mariam’s Appeal. The proceeds from the sale benefited the cause and Mr Galloway”
    ….
    A contemporary UN-supported report written by Paul Volcker, the former American Federal Reserve chairman, asserted that eleven million barrels of oil had been reserved in Galloway’s name.

  10. areff

    Prince Charles is fast turning me into a Republican.

    Same here, Lizzie, and I never thought I’d say that.

    Mind you, if we go the republican route, it has to be on the US model (which will never happen), where the executive has genuine power and veto rights and is elected directly by the voters. We’ll never get an antipodean Trump otherwise, not with compulsory preferential voting locking in the useless Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And Gough lost office due to a conspiracy and not his own hubris.

    It always amuses me when I’m assured by those, who weren’t even born at the time of the Dismissal, that “The C.I.A organized the Dismissal.”

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The quandary for conservative monarchists in Australia is substantive action on climate change is and will remain a policy of the UK Government irrespective of which major party occupies the Treasury benches, and hence not only will the Royal Family be free to speak in support of this cause, on occasion they will be made to.

    True to some extent only, Juan. Certainly the Queen must support government policy in statements read out to Parliament. For the rest of it though, her position is one of behind the scenes advice and not public comment. For to come out with pubic comment in support of a policy, even if bipartisan to the major parties, would still be to engage in political discourse, while supporting government policy when it is not bipartisan would be seen to be overtly political, a big no-no. Mostly, as you note re Scotland, the Queen keeps uncommitted in public unless there is a specific request for a statement, and even then she has to decide whether to comment or not. Mostly she admirably keeps well out of it all. Charles, not so much; he’s always been easily led, see his relationship to Mountbatten for that.

  13. EvilElvis

    Recently a work colleague alerted me to a half page advertisement in the West Australian calling for nominations to stand as a candidate for the Liberal Party at the next state election.

    Come on custard! 😂 Although you’ll need to flog a few more vans to pay a bit more tax to pay for Lisa ‘Halves’ Harvey’s public service payrise. You know they’re battling and deserve it!

  14. EvilElvis

    Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can contribute to your countries public service.

  15. Juan

    Surely Her Maj has all members of The Firm given the best of training?

    Alas, HM has made similar mistakes, such as that documentary in the late ’60s which allowed BBC cameras into the palace – a day in the life of the royal family or similar – which revealed to the world that behind the mystique of royalty they were as mundane as any upper class family, if not more so. As used to be said of children, as a generual rule the royals should be seen but not heard.

    The problem is the what they have to work with.

    To elaborate, here’s an interesting snippet from a Town & Country article:

    The trouble with peeling back the curtain and presenting royals as fully rounded public figures is this, says [BBC royal correspondent Jonny] Dymond: They lead totally bizarre lives. “You live in a palace and have servants and do strange things like open hospital wings. It’s entirely unsurprising that you come across as somewhat strange in a long interview. Any good communications person will know that.”

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Very disturbing’: People dressed in Nazi uniforms confront shoppers at supermarket
    Michael Koziol
    By Michael Koziol
    November 24, 2019 — 12.00am

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    Shoppers at a Victorian supermarket were stunned when four people dressed in Nazi uniforms entered the store – an incident that highlights the increasing use of Nazi symbols in Australia, according to Joowish community leaders.

    Craig MacKenzie said he saw two men and two women, who all looked about 20 years old, enter a Coles outlet in Woodend, an hour north of Melbourne, shortly after midday on Saturday, October 26. A photograph obtained by The Sunday Age and The Sun-Herald shows the group wearing uniforms that included swastika armbands and the imperial eagle.

    Mr MacKenzie said he believed the group was heading to a party and the people involved did not necessarily identify as right-wing extremists or white supremacists.

    “Once in the supermarket, I said to them that they were being highly disrespectful and had no idea what their uniforms meant,” he said. “The blokes told me that it was ‘only a joke’ and to f— off. I persisted, saying that there could be people here who went through World War II and the Holocaust. They laughed it off and told me to f— off again.”

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  17. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-23/chinese-spy-wang-liqiang-seeks-political-asylum-australia-report/11732174

    Big chicom australia has made us such a wealthy country, we can afford to have dissenters put down by professionals.

    Why does dan andrews need vikpol transformed into political Death Squads armed with shipping containers full of military style assault weapons?.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  18. Roger

    It always amuses me when I’m assured by those, who weren’t even born at the time of the Dismissal, that “The C.I.A organized the Dismissal.”

    Some young numpty on ABC radio on Friday said the Queen was responsible.

  19. John Constantine

    Chinese spy Wang Liqiang alleges Beijing ordered overseas murders, including in Australia

  20. calli

    Greetings from Santa Cruz, Galapagos.

    Have spent the afternoon watching the giant tortoises and finches. The flat island that the airport sits on is a red blob set in a turquoise sea. It was a base for the Americans in WWII and some of the buildings still remain. It looks vaguely like Arizona – cacti, grey, dessicated grasses and bare trees. You then drive up and over the “mountain” and it’s lush farmland with cattle and horses. In the fields are large, dome shaped objects. They are the tortoises – on the move (nyuk, nyuk) because it’s mating season.

    Everything is rather basic here, which is how I like it. Reminds me a bit of the PNG highlands.

  21. John Constantine

    He is also reported to have said spies from Beijing were infiltrating Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement, influencing Taiwan’s elections and “operating with impunity in Australia”, according to The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

    Not operating with impunity, operating with the full quisling support of the kowtowing andrews puppet regime.

  22. calli

    Oh, and I saw some Galapagos ducks in a pond.

    No trumpets. 😁

  23. thefrollickingmole

    They laughed it off and told me to f— off again.”

    Appropriate response.

    Dead bears bum, head, yours, some assembly required.

  24. Chinese spy Wang Liqiang alleges Beijing ordered overseas murders, including in Australia

    The stress of the defection will surely lead to health and emotional problems and an another Arkanicide.

  25. Roger

    Charles, not so much; he’s always been easily led, see his relationship to Mountbatten for that.

    More so that rogue Laurens van der Post.

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mind you, if we go the republican route, it has to be on the US model (which will never happen), where the executive has genuine power and veto rights and is elected directly by the voters.

    That is so. It won’t happen here, and we’ll get a political appointment. As we are unlikely also to select another Royal Family (in spite of the wealth of possible aspirants canvassed recently and amusingly on the Cat) we have to stick with what we have.

    A few sharp raps about political neutrality on the kingly knuckles of Charles should be inflicted by the commentariat; that is our only hope. Perhaps William might take note too of the mess his brother Harry is causing.

    We should all get out our best writing paper and penmanship and write to the Palace (Cassie, can you please do the calligraphy for me? You know from the place cards that I am hopeless at it.)

    Dear future kings,

    Please remain apolitical.
    Climate change and the science surrounding it is highly political.
    Even in Britain, but especially in the Dominions.
    You are turning us off you here in droves.

    Your sincerely,

    Catallaxy Liz
    An Australian Constitutional Monarchist

  27. Zatara

    Mr MacKenzie said he believed the group was heading to a party and the people involved did not necessarily identify as right-wing extremists or white supremacists.

    Obviously not as they were wearing National Socialist insignia.

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Catholics could also write in a similar vein to the Pope. Probably emotionally harder though.

  29. mh

    Mr MacKenzie said he believed the group was heading to a party and the people involved did not necessarily identify as right-wing extremists or white supremacists.

    Mus lims?

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    More so that rogue Laurens van der Post.

    Indeed. I just couldn’t recall the name to add to the early influences. That one was a doozey. A Jungian-influenced conservationist who had a Nugget Coombes sort of approach to the Kalahari Bushmen of South Africa. An arcane dreamer, who turned Prince Charles into the same, a New Age talker-to-plants and a romanticist who put ‘nature’ above people. A sitting duck, an exact parallel to Saint Greta, for the left in their climatic obsessions and evil intentions to inflict socialism on the world via their insane climatic memes.

  31. Boambee John

    Spurgeon Monkfish III
    #3243551, posted on November 24, 2019 at 9:56 am
    Syphilis, you stinking unflushable piece of shit – how fucking dare you defend m00zley misogynee, you monumental fucking imbecile.

    I’m not watching the fucking video either, you staggeringly stupid syphilis addled arsehole.

    Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think!

  32. Juan

    Charles, not so much; he’s always been easily led, see his relationship to Mountbatten for that.

    More so that rogue Laurens van der Post.

    Had he been alive in 2013, Lord Mountbatten would undoubtedly have supported the Cameron-Clegg bill which became law as the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013.

    The trouble with monarchies is the roles involved are filled by human beings.

  33. Roger

    Speaking of the pope, a rare good news story:

    He ordered that a palace within the Vatican grounds recently vacated a nuns be renovated to provide accomodation for homeless people. The kitchen has also been equipped to be able to supply hundreds of hot meals to homeless folk who spend the evenings in Rome’s railway stations.

    It’s certainly a good thing that the pope backs up his words about charity to the poor and ‘migrants’ with actions. But here’s the hidden gem in the story: At the Vatican’s urging, the construction company that renovated the palace hired homeless people (presumably with suitable skills) as labourers. Upon completion of the project, managers were so impressed with their work ethic they hired them permanently.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Have spent the afternoon watching the giant tortoises and finches. The flat island that the airport sits on is a red blob set in a turquoise sea. It was a base for the Americans in WWII and some of the buildings still remain. It looks vaguely like Arizona – cacti, grey, dessicated grasses and bare trees. You then drive up and over the “mountain” and it’s lush farmland with cattle and horses. In the fields are large, dome shaped objects. They are the tortoises – on the move (nyuk, nyuk) because it’s mating season.

    I’ve never much wanted to go to the Galapagos Islands, Calli, but now you’ve inspired me.

    I take it that mating tortoises are not quick about it. Not like lions and tigers.
    What a wonderful variety of life there is in this world, to be sure. 🙂

    Does it look anywhere like the Galapagos scenes from ‘The Far Side of the World’?

  35. thefrollickingmole

    Magic vagina strikes again!

    Labour pledges £58bn for women caught in pension trap
    Shadow chancellor John McDonnell says party ‘owes debt of honour’ to 3 million over changes in retirement age

    More than 3 million women who believe they have been left thousands of pounds out of pocket after steep increases to the state pension age are being promised compensation by Labour as part of a £58bn scheme designed to end a “historic injustice”.

    In the party’s latest major policy announcement, shadow chancellor John McDonnell said that a “debt of honour” was owed to women born in the 1950s who say they were given insufficient notice of big changes to the state pension age.


    Demands for compensation have raged since the coalition government decision to accelerate increases in the women’s state pension age from 60 to 65 or 66. The women involved complain they were given little notice and in some cases have had to work years longer than anticipated or have been plunged into poverty.

    They were told 20 years ago the pension age would be increasing.
    Fortunately theres still lots of men working till the age of 65 to pay for your “injustice”.

  36. Nick

    Mountbatten? The one with the sex crazed wife who rooted Nehru, who it is alleged in the Irish press, took boys out of boys homes for the day, in order to assault them ?

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ie, the movie ‘Master and Commander’, one of my faves of all time.

  38. Juan

    Climate change and the science surrounding it is highly political.
    Even in Britain, but especially in the Dominions.

    It would be fascinating to take the temperature (no pun intended) of any republicans in Alberta, to see if their desire to abolish the monarchy in Canada has anything to do with their views vis-á-vis climate change.

  39. Boambee John

    areff

    Mind you, if we go the republican route, it has to be on the US model (which will never happen), where the executive has genuine power and veto rights and is elected directly by the voters. We’ll never get an antipodean Trump otherwise, not with compulsory preferential voting locking in the useless Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties.

    I could see a mixed version, whete the Prime Minister/President is elected directly by the nation as a whole, with the combined powers of the current PM and GG. He then sits in the Reps, putting together a Cabinet drawn from that House (no senators in the Cabinet) and governs while having the confidence of the House. No confidence, immediate double dissolution election.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The one with the sex crazed wife who rooted Nehru,

    The same “sex crazed wife” , who sent her children on holiday, with their nanny, and, two weeks later, admitted that she had no idea where she had sent them?

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes, this Mountbatten.

    No reference here to ‘the boys’ although there were rumours from various sources about his homosexual proclivities, also excluded from Wiki.

    He is dealt with in an episode in the latest series of The Crown with regard to his attempted coup against Harold Wilson (this is detailed in the Wiki, although as ‘presumed’ only).

    He is played as a hard bastard there. Her Maj in that episode puts him firmly out of political leagues.

  42. Juan

    Catholics could also write in a similar vein to the Pope. Probably emotionally harder though.

    Surely they wouldn’t be the same Catholics who were telling other Catholics during John Paul II’s papacy the Church isn’t a democracy; papal infallibility ex cathedra is absolute; and if they didn’t like it they were free to leave? 😉

    What goes around, comes around.

  43. Snoopy

    Lure of cities too strong for regional Australia to keep migrants, despite government efforts

    Clearly we need more government.

  44. Des Deskperson

    ‘Shoppers at a Victorian supermarket were stunned when four people dressed in Nazi uniforms entered the store’

    I’m surprised at the locale. I’ve always assumed that Woodend – like Kyneton, Daylesford, Macedon – would be hard core tree-changer woke

  45. monarchy/republic

    Fiddling while the place burns.

    Reset.
    First we need a constitution which clearly states that all power lies with the people, the people may grant some powers to government (if they behave themselves). Any power granted to government can be rescinded by the will of the people.

  46. P

    Roger
    #3243599, posted on November 24, 2019 at 11:10 am

    Speaking of the pope, a rare good news story:

    Thank you for alerting us to this.

    A link to the story –
    Pope Francis invites the poor to live in Vatican palace

    And the best part of this seriously good news? The construction company that renovated the “Palace of the Best” employed a group of homeless people, at the Vatican’s urging, and were so impressed by their work ethic that it hired them!

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Right. I’ve listened to this long enough.

    I have historical ties to vague nobility in the British Isles. In fact, using the Elizabeth Warren model I’m the rightful heir to the throne. Therefore, much like Perkin Warbeck circa 1400 (except without the execution at the end) I intend to land on the Cornish coast and stake my claim as KD I.

    Simpler than you may think. I will already have the support of at least 51% of the nobles, and thus chevauchee my way to London. Supportive barons will imprison every single one of the current bottom-feeders, with the exception of Her Maj who I can ransom back to Merkel for several trillion marks.

    Phil the Greek can stay, because he’s a cracker. Anyone that tells Filipino photographers to fuck off or he’ll have them shot is okay in my book.

    Step 1. Control borders. Invade Scotland and put the kilt-wearing bagpipe enthusiasts in their place. Son and heir, the future KD II becomes Lord Protector of Ireland.
    Step 2. Mass deportations.
    Step 3. Invade and conquer Belgium, and Normandy as well for the sake of tradition.
    Step 4. Re-introduce the gibbet.

    I’ll be the most popular monarch since Vicky.

  48. Brave people that wear costumes in Viktoristan.

    Vikpol have a nasty habit of shooting people in costumes.

  49. Top Ender

    ‘Shoppers at a Victorian supermarket were stunned when four people dressed in Nazi uniforms entered the store’

    Reminds me of the huge argument I was embroiled in years back.

    The Darwin Military Museum had a series of postcards in its shop, showing parts of the museum and its displays. In one you could see a captured Nazi swastika flag inside one of the displays.

    They had been sold for years when a bloke had a go at the counter staff, saying it was illegal to sell anything which had the swastika in it. Eventually I was asked whether that was so – even though it was a legal dispute, not a historical one – and I assured the man it was indeed not illegal, although it is in Germany.

    He subsequently made complaints to the NT Police, several MPs, and anyone else he could think of. They all told him politely to go away. Was last seen disappearing back down south.

  50. Invade and conquer Belgium, and Normandy

    Nah. That obliges you to defend it from the Germans.
    Expensive business.

  51. Juan

    I have mixed emotions about Lord Mountbatten.

    One of the first things which caused me to take something of a dislike to him was when I read as a young man he was best buds with “David”, the then Prince of Wales and future King Edward VIII.

    As soon as Edward abdicated, Louis Mountbatten suddenly became best buds with Bertie (George VI); and Lord Mountbatten and the Duke of Windsor — to use their subsequent titles — didn’t speak again for nearly four decades. (They did speak again shortly before the Duke’s death in 1972.)

    Ah, the things one must do to climb the greasy pole ….

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ll be the most popular monarch since Vicky.

    His Imperial Majesty, Knuckle Dragger 1. Has a ring about it.

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    mh,

    No word as yet on the Shit Town Power Rankings. I do, however, have Shit Town Updates:

    Port Macquarie, NSW: Study finds that Port Macquarians are having the least sex in Australia
    Kalgoorlie, WA: Grinch tries to burn down community Christmas tree
    Gunbalanya, NT: Man makes 350 calls to emergency services telling them ‘my cock is hard’
    Muswellbrook, NSW: Kid locked in bus luggage hold during school trip

  54. Knuckle Dragger

    Rambler,

    Ze Chermans are rent from within. They will have no apetite for foreign adventures until they sort their own shit out.

    They are a people who crave order and cleanliness, and until they deal with the horrors visited inside their own borders they are weak.

  55. Top Ender

    I’m with you Knuckles.

    I insist on riding at your side wearing full plate armour.

    I already have a pole-axe I can bring along.

  56. egg_

    The panel have all just agreed that Waffleworth could have one the last election.

    Sad.
    Trump couldn’t have put it better.

  57. Juan

    Mind you, if we go the republican route, it has to be on the US model (which will never happen), where the executive has genuine power and veto rights and is elected directly by the voters. We’ll never get an antipodean Trump otherwise, not with compulsory preferential voting locking in the useless Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties.

    I could see a mixed version, whete the Prime Minister/President is elected directly by the nation as a whole, with the combined powers of the current PM and GG. He then sits in the Reps, putting together a Cabinet drawn from that House (no senators in the Cabinet) and governs while having the confidence of the House. No confidence, immediate double dissolution election.

    The super minimalist constitutional reform would be for Australia to sever links with the House of Windsor while retaining a theoretical monarchy sans monarque — a crown but no king.

    I could see this happening some time during the reign of Charles III or William V, if not earlier should the Duke of York do further damage to the ‘brand’.

    There are a few examples in history of regents ruling kingdoms with no incumbent occupant of the throne, even a minor or incapacitated.

    We already effectively have a regent in the Governor-General, so the only thing which would change would be the mechanism of appointing the G-G.

    By retaining the Crown as a symbol, Governors-General would still be expected to exercise their reserve powers consistent with royal practice … and we’d save a heap not having to junk and replace all the crown symbols found everywhere from post boxes to the shoulders of commissioned officers of the rank of Major and above!

  58. lotocoti

    Invade and conquer Belgium

    What value does Belgium provide, other than an away venue for France V Germany matches?

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized for chills and fever, Supreme Court says

    Wondering if the Democrat swamp filth has any grunt left to bring on another prolonged charade of lies if the old girl keels over.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    Shit. Forgot.

    Step 5. Sign mutual assistance treaty with the US and then quit NATO, thus removing all assets from the Continent and fortifying own borders instead.

    Let’s see how the Europansies go using their ‘hands across the world’ bullshit with Putin and Erdogan.

  61. areff

    Victoria could solve its looming summer blackouts by hooking up a battery to Henry Bolte’s grave, as he must be spinning like a dynamo.

    Having been trounced at the state election (because they stood for nothing) by the most corrupt, incompetent, dishonest and wastrel government in Australia (which is saying something), Vic Opposition Leader O’Brien has unveiled his clever scheme to win the next election: out-Labor Labor with a big taxpayer investment in massive incinerators that turn rubbish into the fabled “green energy”.

    Apparently this will save rubbish going into landfills, a mortal sin these days.

    Why that might be is beyond me. Dig a hole, line it, chuck in the collected crap and cover with dirt with full. Start again with new hole.

    On election night, the man who would have been the new Opposition leader if he hadn’t lost his blue-ribbon seat, Pesutto, said on the telly that the lesson was clear: his party lost because it needed to be more “proactive” on climate change, domestic violence, public transport, supporting the arts and every other issue the editorial writers at the addled Age think is important. (“think” used advisedly).

    The Vic Libs, “a parcel of big ugly fat-necked wombat headed big bellied magpie legged narrow hipped splaw-footed sons of Irish Bailiffs”, to quote a man who would have known exactly what to do with them.

  62. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nah. That obliges you to defend it from the Germans.
    Expensive business.

    The German Army of today? Hardly the Wehrmacht.

  63. thefrollickingmole

    KD
    Do you need any more toadies or yes men?
    Im available at fairly cheap day rates.

    I could be your loyal Richard…. the turd.

  64. mh

    “Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was admitted to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, last night after experiencing chills and fever earlier in the day. She was initially evaluated at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C. before being transferred to Johns Hopkins Hospital for further evaluation and treatment of any possible infection,” Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathleen Arberg said in a statement. “With intravenous antibiotics and fluids, her symptoms have abated and she expects to be released from the hospital as early as Sunday morning.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/23/ruth-bader-ginsburg-hospitalized-after-having-chills-and-fever/

    Ruth love, you dear thing, it’s time to step down.

  65. thefrollickingmole

    after experiencing chills and fever

    Took her off ice but left her too long in the microwave defrosting?

  66. Boambee John

    Juan at 1208

    Your idea has support from the UK (Mail on Sunday, Peter Hitchens).

    This is Peter Hitchens’ Mail on Sunday column

    What if we carried on having a monarchy, but just got rid of the monarch, and the Royal Family, too? The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

    I strongly support constitutional monarchy. I think it keeps politicians out of a key part of power – the bit where they bathe in public adulation, and are treated as living gods, the bit where they ride in coaches and stand, in gorgeous uniforms, taking the salute of the Armed Forces.

  67. Dr Fred Lenin

    I see sarah wossname -wossername ,the gangrene senate bludger has recieved her Aldi bag from the Chinese ,
    The peeples decromatic socialist republic is closing coal fire power stations .
    I believ that ,for every five new efficient one they open. They close an pold inefficient one .
    This has two benefits , the new ones burn less coal and the rate of lung disease drops meaning less medical spending . Whats not tolike about this altruistic plan ? It fools the Paris accordists and improves health of Chinese workers .
    Well sarah did stop the boats full of uslamofascists , now she os following the latest trend in bribery, keating. Carr , the Iranian crook set the trend going .
    Wonder if Aldi has noticed increased sales of shopping bags ?

  68. Top Ender

    Didn’t see Week in Pictures posted before, so….

  69. lotocoti

    Hardly the Wehrmacht.

    Wait until they begin to swell the ranks with those various meth’d up neu Deutsch with their cultural predispositions for massacre.

  70. 2dogs

    From mh on the other thread:

    Paul Krugman
    ‏@paulkrugman
    One side lesson from this inquiry is that the Deep State contains some really impressive, principled people. Which is why Trump hates it so much

    7:27 AM – 21 Nov 2019

    Given the prominence of the Epstein murder, it would be very bad for either side of politics to be seen to be aligned with the “deep state”.

    Normally, an incumbent wouldn’t be able to get away with such a thing happening on their watch.

    But for so long as they pursue the impeachment, the Democrats are making it easy for Trump to paint them as the culprits.

  71. areff

    Thanks, Mole. Will watch that again tonight. Did you notice, prior to the ball scene, the singer is doing Kit Marlowe’s ‘A passionate shepherd to his love’? (Marlowe wrote most of ‘Shakespeare’, of course, as all sensible know). It’s such a good movie and so full of in-joke wit, from the parvenu Woodvilles all being played by Americans to “my kingdom for a horse” when Richard’s jeep gets bogged.

    Nigel Hawthorne’s ‘dream’ soliloquy is a particular highlight.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s such a good movie and so full of in-joke wit, from the parvenu Woodvilles all being played by Americans to “my kingdom for a horse” when Richard’s jeep gets bogged.

    I thought the film brilliant.

  73. EvilElvis

    out-Labor Labor with a big taxpayer investment in massive incinerators that turn rubbish into the fabled “green energy”.

    This shit has permeated the liberals coast to coast. My local WA state senator, who I normally had a bit of time for, spruiks waste to energy in his tv advertising for punters to join the liberals.

  74. Juan

    Juan at 1208

    Your idea has support from the UK (Mail on Sunday, Peter Hitchens).

    This is Peter Hitchens’ Mail on Sunday column

    What if we carried on having a monarchy, but just got rid of the monarch, and the Royal Family, too? The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

    I strongly support constitutional monarchy. I think it keeps politicians out of a key part of power – the bit where they bathe in public adulation, and are treated as living gods, the bit where they ride in coaches and stand, in gorgeous uniforms, taking the salute of the Armed Forces.

    Damn, I see Peter Hitchens’ piece was published at 11:46 AEDT while I only hit Post Comment on my little missive at 12:08 — alas I’ll never be able to claim my idea as original!

    But thanks for that anyway. 🙂

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    What the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Windsors have consistently failed to realise is that they are one of the very few monarchic dynasties in history to have been in place for generations, and without any realistic threat to their positions.

    Consequently, they have become fat, sleepy and complacent. At least Her Maj gave a minor chop out in the last major war. The current lot would rather be Kardashians than actual royalty, and would collectively shit themselves if confronted with a paper cut.

    They immerse themselves in fashionable foreign charities while their own countrymen are displaced.

    Make sure the punters are fed, employed, able to advance themselves should they wish to, and are safe from invasion. All without force if necessary, but if it is necessary then crushing, merciless, example-setting force. The End.

  76. egg_

    I see sarah wossname -wossername ,the gangrene senate bludger has recieved her Aldi bag from the Chinese ,
    The peeples decromatic socialist republic is closing coal fire power stations .

    Is that a Fat Bastard joke?

  77. EvilElvis

    Consequently, they have become fat, sleepy and complacent.

    Lizzie needs to shake the shackles of PC oppression and get d school on some people’s arses.

    A few beheadings will get the public back on board. It’s been a long drinks break since Diana.

  78. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Knuckle Dragger……your plan to modify the UK has naturally been closely examined at the Troll Farm (Aust Pty Ltd), and has been greatly admired. The entire Troll Collective wishes to come along with you, and want to know the start date. Uniform Manufacturing contacts in Shenzen have offered a fantastic deal on uniforms, and only ask early advice the color you prefer. Many stock designs are, of course, on file.

  79. egg_

    It’s been a long drinks break since Diana.

    Funny how the sole surviving guard in the “death seat” was the only one wearing a seat belt (at 140 km/h).

  80. Delta A

    The current lot would rather be Kardashians than actual royalty

    Very well said, KD.

  81. egg_

    Markle Cluedo: lighting her farts in the Abbey viz the Queen Mum?

  82. EvilElvis

    Funny how the sole surviving guard in the “death seat” was the only one wearing a seat belt (at 140 km/h).

    Not alluding to any conspiracy theories, egg. Public sentiment gave a breath of life to the royals albeit at Lizzie’s expense. Now’s her time to go out with a bang on a positive note. Suicide by guillotine has a ring to it, Andy…

  83. thefrollickingmole

    areff

    It is a great little film, and i loved the way they undermined the whole “heroic king returning” when he gives that little half smile/smirk after Richards death.

    Its nod and a wink ‘Im the same, but easier on the eye”..

    And that little Clarence bit is extremely well done.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    lotocoti

    #3243631, posted on November 24, 2019 at 12:08 pm

    Invade and conquer Belgium

    What value does Belgium provide, other than an away venue for France V Germany matches?

    They put creamy chocolate inside a wafer sphere, and coated it with chocolate and chopped nuts.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good idea to ditch the Windsors after QE if their behaviour turns further political, yet keep the GG here with that as a warning to keep strictly to Constitutional matters plus having a ceremonial presence. A sacking of the Windsors could be salutary. However The Crown needs to be worn. The Danish Crown could be roped in for extreme titular duty for that. They need never visit, altho in recognition of Mary’s Tassie links then as I have suggested before Government House in Hobart, a delightful little Gothic Victorian pile, could be made available for holidays down under.

  86. Top Ender

    Nothing has gone right for Prince Andrew since his disastrous television interview last weekend, but he is determined that his behaviour should not be blamed on his daughters. He wants Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie to take over many of the royal patronages he is being forced to surrender.

    A source close to Andrew said it was a “logical next step” for his daughters to replace him as patrons of a range of the organisations he has supported. Although some of them may welcome a continuing connection with the duke’s family, one of the most influential charity leaders has warned that Andrew should not treat patronages as a “dowry” for his daughters.

    Oz

  87. johanna

    Having been trounced at the state election (because they stood for nothing) by the most corrupt, incompetent, dishonest and wastrel government in Australia (which is saying something), Vic Opposition Leader O’Brien has unveiled his clever scheme to win the next election: out-Labor Labor with a big taxpayer investment in massive incinerators that turn rubbish into the fabled “green energy”.

    Areff, there is nothing wrong with burning rubbish to make energy – the problem here is that the government is involved.

    If they got out of the way and let commercial interests do it, it would be a win-win. But you can be sure that the eco-loons infesting government departments would make it economically impossible, unless a strong Minister put them back in their box.

    We can dream.

  88. Mater

    Des Deskperson
    #3243612, posted on November 24, 2019 at 11:34 am

    ‘Shoppers at a Victorian supermarket were stunned when four people dressed in Nazi uniforms entered the store’

    I’m surprised at the locale. I’ve always assumed that Woodend – like Kyneton, Daylesford, Macedon – would be hard core tree-changer woke

    Woodend is full of tree-changer Wokies, Des. Chocked with them!
    But like the other places you mentioned, a few humans still live (discretely) among them.
    They weren’t identified by the local so these boys were probably from Bendigo (or some such area) on their way to the party.
    “F-ck off”, as a response to such idiocy, is just so old school Bendigo…bless them!

  89. dover_beach

    Surely they wouldn’t be the same Catholics who were telling other Catholics during John Paul II’s papacy the Church isn’t a democracy; papal infallibility ex cathedra is absolute; and if they didn’t like it they were free to leave?

    JPII never pronounced ex cathedra on a matter of faith and morals that contradicted Scripture and Tradition. You seem to be under the illusion that papal infalability is a license to bind the Church on all matters, whether or not it is consistent with Scripture and Tradition.

  90. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Danes have a stronger claim to the ancient British throne than the Germans, altho some may debate the point with regard to the Saxons, to whom I would reply that King Raedwald of the Sutton Hoo Ship Burial fame suggests much Scandinavian influence early on in Britain.

  91. egg_

    Not alluding to any conspiracy theories

    Of course, bohemians “defy gravity” and other forces.

  92. egg_

    TheirABC Insiders about to badger the treasurer that we need stimulus, which the idiot will invariably agree, when history has shown that it never works….

    Yep, stalled economy, no bugger who’s flogging their guts out in private enterprise has two coins to rub together so we’ll squeeze them a little tighter to give deadbeat union thugs an overpaid job. As well as a larger bureaucracy to ‘manage’ it all. And five minutes after a surplus is announced. Fucking idiots to a man, woman and child pollies.

    Is Friedeggburger just a spokespuppet?

  93. egg_

    How long before the defecting chicom spy unfortunately becomes epsteined?.

    Last seen in a Chinese cop car?

  94. egg_

    Prince Charles is fast turning me into a Republican.
    I wish Her Maj would tell him to shut the fuck up.

    Isn’t Chuck famous for talking to trees?
    Fits with the tampon thing, I guess?

  95. egg_

    If I were a tampon
    I’d be a rich man
    Wouldn’t have to work hard
    Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.

  96. Knuckle Dragger

    Don’t get me wrong. I firmly believe there is still a role for the Royal Family.

    As long as they’re prepared to advance the interests of their own country, instead of being herded about like dogs at the show for the odd photo, and for the plebs to wonder at their lustrous coats.

    If they’re not prepared to do that, they can fuck off – not to be replaced with nothing, a la the Corbyn model but by somebody that can and will.

    Jesus Christ. Look at Spain. The Carlist ultra-Catholic faction of Franco’s Nationalists wanted the monarchy restored as part of their anti-socialist revolution. This actually got a bit of traction, until the punters realised Alfonso XII was just a middle aged bloke who’d never done a day’s work, knew nothing about running a country and wanted a crown just to say he had one. Of course, Franco told him to fuck off once he had the civil war effectively won.

    And everyone knows how Alfonso XII ended up.

    Oh. No they don’t. He died in obscurity because he was a useless pillock who couldn’t contribute a single thing to his own country, and was ignored as such.

    Those who fail to learn from history, rah rah de blah.

  97. Last seen in a Chinese cop car?

    Nah. They will get one of their vassal states to do the job. e.g. Viktoristan

  98. mh

    ‘Shoppers at a Victorian supermarket were stunned when four people dressed in Nazi uniforms entered the store’

    I’m surprised at the locale. I’ve always assumed that Woodend – like Kyneton, Daylesford, Macedon – would be hard core tree-changer woke

    The Nazis were very Green.

  99. Mark A:

    Simpler not buy anything from China direct.
    The strange thing is that it didn’t use to be like this I have bought many useful and good value items in the past. Something has changed in the last year or so.

    I bought 2 x 1Tb USB, + 2 x 1 Tb micro SD cards with adapters – trademark Huawei, several weeks ago. All 4 items for less than $30 Australian.
    Being a suspicious bastard, I did full reformat on them twice, in case of little maosurprises.
    Then I wrote over them with a measured 1 Tb of music files.
    No problems, good Read & Write speeds.
    Honestly, I was hoping for something sinister so I could advertise the fact.

    Perhaps China is having balance of payment problems, having blown 1 trillion of the reserves over the last year.
    Interesting.

  100. johanna

    In the arguments here and elsewhere about constitutional models, we seem to have lost the big picture.

    The key is triangulation, with three co-equal (as the Yanks say, ungrammatically) branches of government. That is, the legislature, the judiciary (spit) and something else. It could be a monarch, or a President, but they have different roles depending on how you set the whole thing up.

    People here argue about how a putative (sorry!) President might be elected, but the most important thing is what that person’s powers are vis a vis the other two branches. If they are not equal to the other two, you create a situation where politics is about the tussle between the legislature and the judiciary (spit!).

    I’ve been studying this stuff for a while now, but AG Barr’s recent speech really helped to put it in perspective. The Founders knew that politics would always be messy and infested with rogues and villains. By setting up a system of eternal tension – the triangle of power – they planned that over time the excesses of one would be pulled in by one or both of the others.

    We are seeing this at work now in the US. It’s messy, it’s awkward, it’s ‘unseemly’ for the why can’t we all just get along crowd – but it recognises the realities of power politics.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    He wants Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie to take over many of the royal patronages he is being forced to surrender.

    They looked less than enthused in the photo in the story Nick linked this morning.
    The hats look pretty fierce too.

  102. Farmer Gez

    The harvest has started on our farm.
    The first crop is Compass barley (think beer) that we first grazed with sheep and then locked up at the end of August to grow grain. Yielding 4.5 t/Ha, which is amazing.
    The hot wind on Friday damaged quite a few crops in many districts of Victoria. Dessicated or very ripe crops dropped heads on the ground, some farmers losing 2t/Ha of barley.
    Canola windrows were blown about but you can chase them a bit with the header and recover seed as the canola stays in the pod fairly well.
    We’re also stacking and delivering export hay at the sane time. Busy as buggery but what a nice problem to have considering the shit year many cockies face.

  103. DrBeauGan

    What happens when the “Why can’t we just bankrupt the people we disagree with?” crowd meets up with the “Why can’t we just kill the people we disagree with?” crowd?

  104. bogey. I guess they will bankrupt them and then killem.

  105. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Busy as buggery but what a nice problem to have considering the shit year many cockies face.

    Halfway through harvest, in the Eastern Wheatbelt of Western Australia – just under a tonne to the hectare, but it’s all AH1.

  106. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s not a question, humbly, of who has the greater claim to the English throne.

    A couple of thousands years’ worth of dynastic inbreeding has resulted in pretty much anyone having a remote claim to three or four Continental crowns, and therefore to the English one.

    It’s more a question of who wants it, and who will do something with it. To quote the great philosopher – ‘Do, or do not. There is no try.’*

    As they’ve done throughout history, the nobility will be on side as long as they’re assured of the status quo – ie, they can keep their estates and half their income, as opposed to keeping nothing and being disembowelled in public.

    *Yoda; Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back

  107. Frank

    The current lot would rather be Kardashians than actual royalty, and would collectively shit themselves if confronted with a paper cut.

    Harry used to enjoy inflicting paper cuts on the Taliban apparently. Odd how he turned out, under the influence of La Markle probably.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    Prince Harry Hewitt could have met and married a scabies-ridden crack whore he found in a Soho alley and it would have done less damage to his doomed family.

  109. stackja

    johanna
    #3243683, posted on November 24, 2019 at 1:22 pm

    I believe James Madison was responsible for the messiness and awkwardness.

  110. DrBeauGan

    They looked less than enthused in the photo in the story Nick linked this morning.
    The hats look pretty fierce too.

    The three of them look extremely stupid people with terrible taste

    There isn’t enough money on the planet to bribe me into being king. You get fat and goggle eyed from all those banquets, you have to meet and talk with the ghastliest people on earth, and you have to be driven around in a car unscrewing imaginary light bulbs while small and gullible children wave flags at you. It’s no job for a man.

    That’s why the royal family exists, although I’m not sure even Charles deserves what he’s got coming.

  111. Whalehunt fun

    The Nazis were very Green.

    The Greens are very Nazi.
    Bigots, racists, anti-capitalist socialists. All round filthy scum. The only difference is the race hatred is for whites.

  112. Mater

    Harry used to enjoy inflicting paper cuts on the Taliban apparently. Odd how he turned out, under the influence of La Markle probably.

    The basic problem with the two young royals is that they are living with the ghost of their mother. They do what they think she would’ve done (or at least approved of). Problem is that she’s become such a mythical creature in the press, and they believe it, that it leads to all sorts of behaviour.
    Between the kookiness of their father and the heavily glorified memory of their mother, these were bound to be very confused young men at some stage. They were always likely to cling to something which they could relate to their mothers character, ostensibly saving the world would seem a suitable candidate.

  113. Whalehunt fun

    Prince Harry Hewitt could have met and married a scabies-ridden crack whore he found in a Soho alley 

    Are you sure he didn’t? Looks thT way to me.

  114. cuckoo

    You know you’re living in Airstrip One when you turn on the radio (ABC of course) and hear people using a newly-coined word that you’ve never heard before, as though it’s always been part of the language. Today that word was ‘femicide’, to describe the killing of a woman.

  115. John Constantine

    In interviews with The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and 60 Minutes, he has revealed in granular detail how Beijing covertly controls listed companies to fund intelligence operations, including the surveillance and profiling of dissidents and the co-opting of media organisations.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/defecting-chinese-spy-offers-information-trove-to-australian-government-20191122-p53d1l.html

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Today that word was ‘femicide’

    Tomorrow: raticide.

    A bill would make it harder to control California’s thriving rats (23 Nov)

    California appears likely to become the first state to outlaw most use of a highly effective type of rat poison. California already restricts the use of single-dose rodenticide, as the anticoagulant poison is often known, to licensed pest controllers. But pressure groups pushing for a ban have gathered support from mostly liberal lawmakers.

    Rats are people too, at least in California.

  117. wordicide – the ritual killing of the meaning of a word. performed by the ABC
    langicide – the ABC’s gradual killing of an established language

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘You get fat and goggle eyed from all those banquets, you have to meet and talk with the ghastliest people on earth’

    You don’t ‘have’ to at all, Beaugy. This is the point. That sort of nonsense has become a convention borne of decades having nothing to do.

    ‘Your Majesty, the 11.00 meeting is with a delegation of feminist university administrators who wish to raise awareness of microaggressions on campus.’

    ‘Mmmm. You know what? My 11.00 meeting just became watching reruns of Family Guy for an hour and a half. Tell them to fuck off and fuck off now, and you can make Oxford all blokes again while you’re at it.’

    ‘Of course, Majesty.’

    ‘Fuckin’ oath it’s of course.’

  119. Bruce O’Newcastle:

    Those particular scientists recently expired due to massive doses of radiation.
    Which is a pity because the NERVA style propulsion would open up the solar system.

    *adjusts tinfoil hat*
    Well, maybe they don’t want the solar system opened up, huh?
    *sets tinfoil hat to Green*
    Imagine peoplekind polluting the entire system, why would you want that, huh?
    *resets TFH to Conspiracy*
    The Lizard People don’t want us leaving Earth, what else would they eat?
    *rests to One World Government*
    BZZZZTTcrackleskweelzzzt pop.
    I think I just got a crossed wire with Our Man in Indonesia…
    *removes TFH and puts on Genuine Cubacap ™. Red Star lights up.*
    Up Up and away, Tonto!!!

  120. Roger

    But pressure groups pushing for a ban have gathered support from mostly liberal lawmakers.

    The day will come when “pressure groups” will push “liberal lawmakers” in California to build a wall to keep normal residents from fleeing their ghastly socialist experiment.

  121. mh:

    Meanwhile, Speaker Nancy Pelosi just said she doubts Congress has the time to pass the North American trade deal this year. And lawmakers can barely even keep the government funded; this week’s continuing resolution just kicks the can to Dec. 20.

    So President Trump will just have to rule by decree, like President O’Bama?
    What a great idea, Hillary Clinton.

  122. Bruce of Newcastle

    Winston – I was referring to the recent Russian nuclear missile accident.
    Nyonoksa radiation accident
    The missile appears to have either a nuclear reactor or an isotope based propulsion.

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Of course, Majesty.’

    His Imperial Majesty, KD1

    Your Captivating Magnificence

    Please find attached my application for the post of Lord High Executioner. Salary to be negotiated.

    Regards

  124. areff

    Johanna: I don’t dispute private enterprise can burn rubbish more efficiently and at lower cost. My gripe is that there’s no need to burn it all. It’s not as if Australia lacks the real estate to dig some holes, and today’s landfills aren’t the poison-seeping industrial cesspits they once were.

    Also — and bet your bottom dollar on this — if they do build the incinerators, there will class actions within five years claiming locals are coming down with cancer at improbable rates, bearded babies are being born right and left and sperm counts have fallen below what you’d find in a plate of soggy biscuits after the latest Liberal caucus meeting to discuss if the party should become more like Labor or more like the Greens.

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    Babar Azam.

    Can bat.

  126. johanna

    In one of CP Snow’s books – can’t remember which one – he visits a very snotty daughter of the county in the evening. She is eating baked beans on toast in front of the television, with a stiff whisky.

    I have known lots of people with showpiece homes. They all have a little hutch with a TV and a sofa where they really live. The Royal Family are no different.

    Hence the brilliant TV sitcom The Royle Family.

  127. DrBeauGan

    You get fat and goggle eyed from all those banquets, you have to meet and talk with the ghastliest people on earth’

    You don’t ‘have’ to at all, Beaugy. This is the point. That sort of nonsense has become a convention borne of decades having nothing to do.

    Hmmm. I think your way of doing things sounds a great improvement, KD, and I could enjoy it for a few days. After that I’d abdicate in your favour.

  128. max

    The one with the sex crazed wife who rooted Nehru,

    Yes, but what the hell.

    Like Madame Chiang Kai-shek or Camilla or Becky Sharp, such women spice up the dullness of conferences and dragged-out negotiations that men-of-affairs (phrasing) have to endure. Non-Ukrainian quid pro quos are part of the deal so due care is advisable.

    Imagine how utterly fucking boring it must be as a Royal shaking the hands of two hundred guests as you work your way along the line, or listening to yet another alderman’s speech of welcome in Longreach or Wakanui. No wonder the Duke gets a bit testy. A bit of teasing, a bit of flirting, a bit of ornamental entertainment is what beautiful, capable women do around power.

  129. Frank

    That sort of nonsense has become a convention borne of decades having nothing to do.

    They should go back to waging war on the French if they’re at a loose end. The public would probably get behind it.

  130. Snoopy

    The key is triangulation, with three co-equal (as the Yanks say, ungrammatically) branches of government. That is, the legislature, the judiciary (spit) and something else. It could be a monarch, or a President,

    Yes, but now the US seems to have roughly five co-equal power centres. The legislature, the judiciary, the careerist administrative state, the fourth estate, and a President. Two of these power centres permanently tilt left.

  131. egg_

    He wants Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie to take over many of the royal patronages he is being forced to surrender.

    Wasn’t Ms Keating photographed with Randy’s daughters after she was Weinsteined?
    Is that how it works in the Upper circles?
    The Vice TV job then follows?

  132. Megan

    “Feminicidio” has been around in Italian language for a very long time. As it has in it’s original Latin.

    But clearly the western feministas are intending to adopt it and flog it to death. So to speak.

  133. egg_

    Is that how it works in the Upper circles?

    Viz the BJ scene in Team America.

  134. Snoopy

    Also — and bet your bottom dollar on this — if they do build the incinerators, there will class actions within five years claiming locals are coming down with cancer at improbable rates, bearded babies are being born right and left and sperm counts have fallen below what you’d find in a plate of soggy biscuits after the latest Liberal caucus meeting to discuss if the party should become more like Labor or more like the Greens.

    Simples. We just use Swedish technology. If it’s good enough for Greta it’s got to be good enough for us.

  135. Frank

    Trump trolling again, he really is very good at it.

    https://youtu.be/iEnRyMhJWmM

  136. egg_

    What happens when the “Why can’t we just bankrupt the people we disagree with?” crowd meets up with the “Why can’t we just kill the people we disagree with?” crowd?

    The latter is a subset of the former, en masse.

  137. bespoke

    DrBeauGan
    #3243732, posted on November 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Hmmm. I think your way of doing things sounds a great improvement, KD, and I could enjoy it for a few days. After that I’d abdicate in your favour.

    Can’t have hanging around so you’ll be put in a cage with frightbat’s.

  138. johanna

    areff
    #3243728, posted on November 24, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    Johanna: I don’t dispute private enterprise can burn rubbish more efficiently and at lower cost. My gripe is that there’s no need to burn it all. It’s not as if Australia lacks the real estate to dig some holes, and today’s landfills aren’t the poison-seeping industrial cesspits they once were.

    Also — and bet your bottom dollar on this — if they do build the incinerators, there will class actions within five years claiming locals are coming down with cancer at improbable rates, bearded babies are being born right and left and sperm counts have fallen below what you’d find in a plate of soggy biscuits after the latest Liberal caucus meeting to discuss if the party should become more like Labor or more like the Greens.

    You are a bit muddled. areff. We should not refuse to espouse good policy because it might be sabotaged down the line.

    There are already garbage burners in Europe, it’s nothing new. In fact, I lived in Zetland (inner Sydney) in the late 80s while there was a garbage burner out the back – and boy, did it smell. The difference is that energy can be harvested from burning rubbish, minus smells and pollution. It is happening in Europe.

    Mind you, I agree about the dishonesty of the assertions about landfill. How anyone can assert that Australia is running out of landfill sites with a straight face beggars belief.

  139. Knuckle Dragoon:
    Step 5. Sign mutual assistance treaty with the US and then quit NATO, thus removing all assets from the Continent and fortifying own borders instead.
    Good move.
    NATO is dead – let Europe stew in its own cup of pus.

  140. DrBeauGan

    Can’t have hanging around so you’ll be put in a cage with frightbat’s.

    There wouldn’t be any. I’d sell the lot to the mueslies to turn into sex slaves on day two.

    I figure they both deserve each other.

  141. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    4h
    95% Approval Rate in the Republican Party, a record! Thank you!

  142. vr

    Never mind. Fake news!! failed to double-check.

  143. thefrollickingmole

    Frank
    #3243747, posted on November 24, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Excellent… your own mother calling you fake news& saying she will vote for Trump..

    At least he can honestly say it wasnt pre-scripted.

  144. johanna

    I mentioned earlier that there are some squawking baby birds in the trees out the back, and boy are they irritating. Human babies shut up now and then, but these ones rarely let up.

    I can now confirm that they are currawongs – have seen both parents zooming in to the nest.

    BoN, your views? I am not a fan, they eat smaller birds and their eggs. Wrens, sparrows and so on are becoming scarcer.

    That said, they and the maggies calling at sunrise and sunset are the spirit of Australia.

  145. DrBeauGan

    Holy cow: Ginsberg is dead.

    Source, vr?

  146. vr

    BeauGan — I walked it back a few posts later…Fake news..

  147. mh

    vr
    #3243758, posted on November 24, 2019 at 2:38 pm
    Holy cow: Ginsberg is dead.

    Ok, what’s the punishment for vr ?

  148. DrBeauGan

    Ah, more fake news.

    I got my Babylon Bee The fake news you can trust mug yesterday.

  149. Shy Ted

    You’ve got to admire the ease with which the left have got ScoMo hooked into their talking points. No time left in the day to do anything useful.

  150. vr

    beaugan

    Re. Ginsberg, I read this and failed to see the caption above…

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/1198435068638846978

  151. Old Lefty

    The Queen’s endurance in sitting through endless speeches by the pompous twits who infest local government throughout the world is remarkable.

    I can’t vouch for the veracity of this, but I’ve heard that Her Majesty, asked what was the main lesson she had learned from her years in public life, was ‘Never pass up the chance for a pee when you get one’s.

  152. Snoopy

    Never mind. Fake news!! failed to double-check

    Not fake. Just prematurely truthy.

  153. Old Lefty

    A new word for the ABC: vericide (murdering the truth)

  154. johanna

    Snoopy
    #3243739, posted on November 24, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    The key is triangulation, with three co-equal (as the Yanks say, ungrammatically) branches of government. That is, the legislature, the judiciary (spit) and something else. It could be a monarch, or a President,

    Yes, but now the US seems to have roughly five co-equal power centres. The legislature, the judiciary, the careerist administrative state, the fourth estate, and a President. Two of these power centres permanently tilt left.

    Not really, Snoopy.

    Trump has been allocating a huge amount of resources to appointing judges. The fact that the media favour a political party cannot, in the end, buck the will of the people.

    In America, the Administrative State is easier to get rid of than ours.

  155. Top Ender

    Andrew Bolt: Northern Territory shooting proves politics a danger to justice
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    November 20, 2019 7:00pm
    Subscriber only

    On Saturday a week ago, Constable Zachary Rolfe went to the volatile Aboriginal community of Yuendumu to arrest 19-year-old Kumanjayi Walker.

    What followed was a tragedy for Walker. He was killed. Shot three times.

    But what happened next to Rolfe is deeply suspicious. And colleagues are asking — privately and on social media — is he the victim of politics?

    Walker had been in jail, charged with assaulting police and aggravated assault. Once freed, he breached his suspended sentence by returning to Yuendumu.

    Now consider the timeline.

    On the Wednesday before the shooting, local police tried to arrest Walker. They ran for their lives when he swung a hatchet at them.

    On Saturday morning, staff at the local medical clinic were evacuated for safety reasons.

    That night, Rolfe, a former soldier and decorated for bravery, went with another Alice Springs officer to arrest Walker.

    Walker stabbed Rolfe in the shoulder with scissors. He then stabbed the other officer, although failed to penetrate his bulletproof vest and as they fought, Rolfe shot Walker and shot him again. It’s all on video.

    On Sunday morning, Rolfe was released from hospital.

    On Monday, the new police chief commissioner started work.

    On Tuesday, with crowds at Yuendumu seeming primed for another riot, and growing protests around the country, NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner announced an independent investigation and promised protesters “consequences will flow”. Which consequences?

    Gunner later said it was his “job to make sure the Territory goes through a healing process and goes back to normal”. Not to see justice is done?

    On Tuesday, Rolfe was told by superiors he’d be safer in Darwin. His name and photo had been leaked.

    On Wednesday morning he was arrested in Darwin for murder and put in jail. Sources in Darwin suggest to Sky News the Director of Public Prosecutions was not even shown the video before police acted.

    On Thursday, Rolfe had to leave the Northern Territory as a condition of his bail. He cannot stay to make his own inquiries.

    On Friday, anti-corruption commissioner Ken Fleming, appointed by Gunner to oversee the police investigation, told protesters in Alice Springs “one of the most important messages today is Black Lives Matter” and anyone who disagreed was “corrupt”. (Fleming stepped down this week after criticism for perceived bias).

    Is justice being done? Or do I smell politics and the new tribalism?

  156. Knuckle Dragger

    Someone said it the other day.

    The weaponization of the criminal justice system for political purposes.

    It will end very, very badly, and this will not be the first death before those that thought of this, and who have failed to think this through to its logical conclusion are held to account.

  157. if they do build the incinerators,

    We used to have a few more cement manufacturers.
    From memory the flame front is about 1,600C.
    Once upon a time cement manufacturers were looking for some money to throw whatever into the limestone.
    But most of them went of business when the PRC started dumping cement in Australia.
    The main reason why you won’t see pyrolyzers in AU is that you need some energy input. We don’t have any 24 x 7 energy to spare.

  158. Snoopy

    Johanna

    The fact that the media favour a political party cannot, in the end, buck the will of the people.

    Hillary Clinton’s loss was a close-run thing demonstrating the power of the media to shape public opinion.

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from? The media blitz or the proles reading research papers?

  159. 8th Dan

    They looked less than enthused in the photo in the story Nick linked this morning.

    The Daily Mail still getting mileage out of Eugenie and Beatrices outfits at the wedding of Wills and Kate in 2011.

  160. DrBeauGan

    Is justice being done? Or do I smell politics and the new tribalism?

    Meh. Truth, Justice, Honour. All those obsolete ideas of the white supremacist patriarchy.

  161. Juan

    You’ve got to admire the ease with which the left have got ScoMo hooked into their talking points. No time left in the day to do anything useful.

    It depends on the audience — put him in front of the Queensland Resources Council and he will sound very different — and the trouble with speaking with a forked tongue in this saturation media age is people notice when you say one thing to one audience, and something else to another; and unfortunately the most likely outcome is you will offend both — as Scott Morrison learned to his detriment with Alan Jones.

  162. The weaponization of the criminal justice system for political purposes.

    If by good luck the cardinal survives long enough to get a HC verdict, we will find out if we are truly fscked or just partly fscked.

    I don’t see how we fix things from here.
    Methinks we are stuffed.

  163. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is justice being done? Or do I smell politics and the new tribalism?

    I’ll bet good money any trial will feature jury intimidation, of the worst sort.

  164. thefrollickingmole

    On Thursday, Rolfe had to leave the Northern Territory as a condition of his bail.

    it would be interesting to see, in all of Australia, just how many “you have to leave the state” bail conditions have been imposed.
    Im guessing zero.

    The email I sent to the NT justice department on how many murder charges result in bail went unanswered as well.

    Most curious.

  165. egg_

    Prince Harry Hewitt could have met and married a scabies-ridden crack whore he found in a Soho alley

    Markle Sparkle cannabis?

  166. Muddy

    Snoopy
    #3243793, posted on November 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    The absence of a strong, persistent, counter-argument.

  167. Snoopy

    The absence of a strong, persistent, counter-argument.

    Taxpayer funded The Conversation would be just the platform for that. Oh? Wait.

  168. egg_

    Can’t have hanging around so you’ll be put in a cage with frightbat’s.

    There wouldn’t be any. I’d sell the lot to the mueslies to turn into sex slaves on day two.

    Fatter meets anti-fatter?

  169. Knuckle Dragger

    In answer to your questions, mole:

    Zero; and

    Zero.

  170. 8th Dan

    Being a wet nurse to Chuck and Di’s progeny is unlikely to establish the reign of Queen K-K-K-KayDee.

    And migrating from a Glasgow slum to a Western Sydney slum does not bestow either Nordic or Welsh royal lineage.

  171. Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    Lack of arithmetic skills.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    As Ian Chappell famously said;

    ‘Friends, xunts, Romanrymen!’ Lend me your ears!

    The Catcitionary thread’s out and about, and it’s a work of art indeed.

    May a squadron of vaginas find their way to Muddy’s crotch by day’s end.

  173. DrBeauGan

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    The absence of a strong, persistent, counter-argument.

    There are convincing counter-arguments, but they don’t appeal to the ignorant and innumerate. Which is currently running at around 95% of the population.

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    Johanna – I can’t comment on the nestlings as I’ve never had currawongs nest nearby. By the time I see the young ones they’re full size – they usually start appearing in ones and twos after Christmas as they start to follow the adults around to learn about food sources. I like them but there aren’t any birds smaller than noisies in the area as the gardens are the wrong sort. A fair number of wrens and thornbills and others down in the nearby reserve though.

  175. egg_

    Being a wet nurse to Chuck and Di’s progeny is unlikely to establish the reign of Queen K-K-K-KayDee.

    Jumping out of a chopper sans undies might help?

  176. 1735099

    These people are doing the Lord’s work.
    They have today succeeded in forcing the Trump administration to release hundreds of documents they had withheld from Congress.

    From the link –

    On Friday evening, the State Department released nearly 100 pages of records in response to American Oversight’s lawsuit seeking a range of documents related to the Trump administration’s dealings with Ukraine.

    Among other records, the production includes emails that confirm multiple contacts in March of 2019 between Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, at least one of which was facilitated by President Trump’s assistant Madeleine Westerhout.

    American Oversight is reviewing the production to assess whether the State Department has fully complied with the court’s order. Notes on what we’ve found are below.

    You can download the documents here.

  177. Nick

    Woodend residents dressing as Nazis. Imagine the hue and cry from the same people if someone opposed a Trans toilet in a local park.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I couldn’t care less what happens in the land of the shooting spree.’

    Take a letter, Stenographer Bob.

  179. There are convincing counter-arguments, but they don’t appeal to the ignorant and innumerate.

    The same peasants trust the person at the checkout to give them the correct change.
    They trust the Klimatears* to do the right number thingys.

    * People who are prone to burst into tears when they discover that the human contribution of CO2 in the atmosphere is 30ppm (or less)

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    The absence of a strong, persistent, counter-argument.

    And the MSM runs about 90% to the left and far-left. Even at the few somewhat rightwing outlets like the Oz and Fox News it’s clear that many if not most of the journos are lefty.

    This point has been made by far-left Naomi Klein:

    Capitalism vs. the Climate (2011)

    Heartland’s Bast puts it even more bluntly: For the left, “Climate change is the perfect thing…. It’s the reason why we should do everything [the left] wanted to do anyway.”

    Here’s my inconvenient truth: they aren’t wrong.

    In short the Left just loves climate change as a wonderful excuse to do everything they ever wanted. And they control the journalism schools lock, stock and barrel. So on mass media you will only hear the thermageddonist wails because it fits so perfectly with the whole ideology of the journos.

  181. Bubbles

    Here’s a question.
    If Fergie’s two shire horses Euginie and Beatrice don’t get to snuffle at Madge’s feed trough, Mum is in debt and Dad is broke (and now income free), how do they afford to constantly airfreight themselves around the world, mount themselves in expensive tack and put themselves in work in the Alps or St Trop?
    I’m missing something about parasites.

  182. Snoopy

    You can download the documents here.

    I’m lazy, Bob. Hit me with the half dozen that best demonstrate Trump’s high crimes.

  183. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I can’t vouch for the veracity of this, but I’ve heard that Her Majesty, asked what was the main lesson she had learned from her years in public life, was ‘Never pass up the chance for a pee when you get one’s.

    Gosh. I say that too. Must be due to my Royal blood.
    Or maybe it’s just my Royal bladder. 😀

    Now there’s proof for you, 8th Circle of Hell (which is ‘Fraud’, Grigsy Boyo, suits you sir).
    Boyo, btw, is the Welsh in me coming out. My spouting horns is the Pagan Norse, and guess which Circle of Hell I’m working tonite? I’ll take the red pitchfork, thanks boss, and an extra dose of applied hellfire for we’ve got a special guest coming in for a preview. Name of Grigs. Alias whatever.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    These people are doing the Lord’s work.

    Lord Soros.

    The Dem Dogs of Disruption (2017)

    A new nonprofit called American Oversight launched this week to combat President Trump’s “culture of impunity.” The outfit declared itself “nonpartisan” and claims its crusaders will fight for a “transparent and ethical government.”

    But like Waylon Jennings once crooned, “Baby, that dog won’t hunt.”

    RTWT for the Soros, Tides Foundation and identities of the ex-Obama Administration activists who are running the thing.

    Any wonder the State Department, which is notorious, would cheerfully release documents to them given the excuse of FOIA. Amazingly quickly too given that guys like Judicial Watch often have to wait years and years for similar releases.

  185. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘But like Waylon Jennings once crooned, “Baby, that dog won’t hunt.”’

    I suppose it was bound to happen eventually.

    Liability Bob’s morphing into monty.

  186. RobK

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?
    Authoritarian totalitarian reinforcement. UN, Unions, globalism, ILO, WTO, WHO WFF etc, etc.

  187. Muddy

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    The absence of a strong, persistent, counter-argument.

    It’s also the means by which the alarmists have communicated their message. They have used technology and tapped into human psychology in a way that the realists have not even considered. They have structured their arguments (such that they are) so that any contradiction is a reflection on the person who contradicts, rather than the content of the contradiction. They play the person, not the message. When the person/s played respond defensively, it reinforces the original accusations. Undermine, discredit, question the motivation of, the messenger, thus detracting from the message itself.

    The realists are playing by the old rules; an outdated chivalry. We want to say that we ‘competed fairly,’ not that we won. The Peak of Moral Righteousness has deluded us into believing that our opponents want a win-win solution like we do. Just as it is not possible to have a rational debate with someone in an irrational frame of mind (experiencing an altered state of consciousness, for example), you cannot compromise or find ‘middle ground’ with someone who desires a win-lose outcome; someone who is prepared to change the rules to achieve what they desire.

    Realists cannot compete with a decades-old mindset: it hasn’t worked thus far, what makes anyone think that another 12,562 attempts will probably do the job? Waiting for our opponents to trip themselves up will not work either: they will simply evolve. Most importantly, perhaps, in the meantime, so much damage will have been done to our economic and cultural way of life, that if a waiting-victory does eventually come, we will have saved very little.

    It’s the mindset that needs to change, not the content of the argument.

  188. Juan

    Boyo, btw, is the Welsh in me coming out.

    Useless but interesting fact: the Welsh Guards regiment of the Guards Division has the leek as its symbol.

    It may be the only military formation in the world with a vegetable as its insignia!

  189. Knuckle Dragger

    Damn straight, Muddy.

    Unbelievably, the current mindset appears to be ‘if we can’t win nicely, we won’t win at all’.

    Stupidity. They must be crushed mercilessly, and terror instilled in any prospective replacements.

  190. egg_

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?
    Authoritarian totalitarian reinforcement. UN, Unions, globalism, ILO, WTO, WHO WFF etc, etc.

    It’s only the trebling of power prices that is bringing it undone – in the face of no sea level rise in 3 decades of scaremongering.
    No wonder they’re getting shrill and employing child tards to get the message across.
    Wasn’t Gore getting pelted with fruit for being a hypocrite in his Presidential style motorcades?
    Doh!

  191. egg_

    All the warmies drive SUVs
    In the name of hypocrisy…

  192. bespoke

    Muddy
    #3243846, posted on November 24, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Thats fine for the likes of 1735099 but what about the other 95%

  193. egg_

    Undermine, discredit, question the motivation of, the messenger, thus detracting from the message itself.

    The same as being labelled a Troofer.
    Isn’t Trump a Troofer?

  194. dover_beach

    The only people that think the impeachment hearings are ‘closing in’ on Trump are Dem zombies and the media, but I repeat myself.

  195. In reference to Royalty, how about we ask the Aliens to send back the King – Elvis Presley?

    Too polarising, huh?

  196. Geriatric Mayfly

    Woman born with 20 toes, 12 fingers says neighbors call her a ‘witch’
    Relax. She’s Indian, not Tasmanian.

  197. Knuckle Dragger

    Elvis Presley.

    Waaaay overrated.

  198. nb

    What? This is real??
    Michigan State Economics Professor Mark Skidmore revealed there was $21 trillion in what he calls “missing money” from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) two years ago.

  199. egg_

    Michigan State Economics Professor Mark Skidmore revealed there was $21 trillion in what he calls “missing money” from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) two years ago.

    Fvck – not 9/11 Mk.II FFS?
    War wit’ li’l Kim?

  200. Steve trickler

    It was good for the bloke to throw away the “weapon”. And he showed restraint.

    Pink boy was still conscious.



  201. BrettW

    Hoping Constable Rolfe has got a good QC. Not only to defend his case but to go after the police, legal and Govt hierarchy should the shooting be found to be self defence (ie. supported by the camera footage).

    If, as the Bolt column above suggests, both officers were being assaulted (with evidence to show) at close range with scissors then the shooting would be self defence. The camera footage is obviously crucial and mind blowing that the DPP may not have watched it prior to consenting to charging murder.

    Considering the serious nature of the charge the speed at which he has been charged is indicative of political issues rather than a thorough investigation. There was hardly time to slap together a case file as on the day before he was charged the Govt / Police were still working out who was heading the investigation. What unit actually compiled the investigation file ? Probably not locals from Alice Springs as Rolfe one of their own.

    Then you have the NT ICAC guy going on about Black Lives Matter and corrupt for anybody to say otherwise. All very PC but the reality is that the indigenous have time and time again shown little regard for own lives.

    Incidentally on which day did the ICAC head give his BLM speach ? Before or after Rolfe was charged ? If he had any input into the decision to charge then the process has proven bias.

    Since they were so quick to charge they will no doubt be keen for a quick trial.

    I think NT police going to find recruiting might be affected.

  202. EvilElvis

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    It is intriguing how easily the previously self described anti-authority bogan hordes have rolled into lock step with AGW and a multitude of other SJW causes.

  203. BrettW

    Juan,

    Regarding the leek I am surprised we have not seen Guardian or Age headline saying :

    The Queens elite unit, the Welsh Guards, are vegetarians.

    All hail King KD I !

  204. Frank

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    How does it split along male/female lines in terms of acceptance?

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think NT police going to find recruiting might be affected.

    Perhaps an affirmative action programme, to recruit and train indigenous people to keep the law in outback communities, would offset any shortage?

  206. Bruce O’Newcastle:

    Winston – I was referring to the recent Russian nuclear missile accident.
    Nyonoksa radiation accident
    The missile appears to have either a nuclear reactor or an isotope based propulsion.

    Wasn’t having a go at you, Bruce. I just felt like putting on my Green personna and having a larf.

    But the accident is certainly worth thinking about. Just what the hell were the Russians trying to do – get their NERVA program restarted?

  207. EvilElvis

    Good idea, Zulu. But this time fence them off, lock the gate and leave the communities to their own devices.

  208. Juan

    From ‘I’ve cleared my diary’: Senior bureaucrats scrambled to act on PM’s toilet door demands‘:

    Some of the most senior bureaucrats in the government scrambled to act on Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s demand for gender neutral bathrooms to be removed from his department.

    Internal emails obtained under freedom of information laws – but heavily redacted – reveal deputy and assistant secretaries worked into the night after Mr Morrison seized on a tweet by a high-profile journalist and insisted the “ridiculous” bathroom signs be taken down.

    Hmmm … what are the possible grounds which would necessitate and justify the redaction of parts of an email thread talking about PM&C bathrooms? 🤔

  209. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Perhaps an affirmative action programme, to recruit and train indigenous people to keep the law in outback communities, would offset any shortage?’

    Sorry Zulu, but that’s the One Voice scenario.

    There are plenty of indig community coppers in the NT, and the rumour is they like the rest of them are hopelessly tribal.

    There are never only one tribe in the one area, and on what’s related to me the community police officers – who are aligned to a tribe – preference their own skin group over others to the point where whitey cop has to step in. They’ll lock up all and sundry from other skin groups for anything and everything, actual or imagined, and overlook monstrous shit committed by their own kind.

    On the very rare occasions where one’s plopped into a community he has no affiliation with, he’s routinely ignored by everyone.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On the very rare occasions where one’s plopped into a community he has no affiliation with, he’s routinely ignored by everyone.

    I crave your pardon, Your Captivating Magnificence.

    Your slave, kneeling, begs to point out that the suggestion was made with tongue in cheek. Cite you the example of an indigenous police officer, posted to a Western Australian Wheatbelt town. He was visited by a deputation of “tribal elders”, who informed him that, if he arrested any of “their mob”, the rest would get together and burn his house down.

  211. thefrollickingmole

    Chinese embassy says ‘self-proclaimed agent’ Wang Liqiang is convicted fraudster

    There is a possibility this is true.
    If its not we can expect to see quite a few problems with some of our exports clearing customs in China until we bend the knee.
    If its correct then the Chinese will just be grumpy but ultimately consider it great as whatever red herrings the bloke throws out will be proof of out agencies dumbness.

    /ignore that rustling noise, its definitely not* an Aldi bag.

    *Im not saying Im open to cash for comments, but Im not ruling anything out in the future.

    We are living in a Synocracy, where large bags of Chinese cash can rule over many.

  212. mh

    Fredo, we know what you are up to

    CUOMO: Will you run again?

    KATIE HILL: I’m not writing anything off. I’m not running anytime soon, I can tell you that much. I’m supporting the person who is running to replace me, Christy Smith, with everything that I’ve got.

    CUOMO: But politics, it could very well be in your future? You’re not giving me a no?

    HILL: I’m not giving you a no.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/23/ex-democrat-rep-katie-hill-wont-rule-out-return-to-politics/

  213. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What value does Belgium provide, other than an away venue for France V Germany matches?

    They put creamy chocolate inside a wafer sphere, and coated it with chocolate and chopped nuts.

    and many pretty good beers to wash them down with

  214. thefrollickingmole

    Im still predicting a Corbyn coalition government in the UK.

    Fight me!
    Conservatives open up 19-point lead with 47% share of the vote
    Latest Opinium/Observer poll shows Tories capitalising on retreat of Brexit party as manifesto is unveiled

    The newly indoctrinated youf and frightbats will see him over the line..

  215. mh

    De Niro backs Butterbean

    Robert De Niro: Pete Buttigieg Has ‘The Best’ Shot to Defeat ‘Piece of S**t’ Trump

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/11/23/robert-de-niro-pete-buttigieg-has-the-best-shot-to-defeat-piece-of-st-trump/

  216. lotocoti

    The newly indoctrinated youf and frightbats will see him over the line..

    My inner nihilist would like to see them granted their wish.
    Good and hard.

  217. BrettW

    Corbyn and Sturgeon.

    Names for when King KD I starts putting people in the Tower of London.

    Prior to their deportation to Russia.

  218. cohenite

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    Alarmism began in 1988 when Hansen, the god-father of alarmism, locked the doors, closed the windows and switched the air-con up to hot and gave a talk to a bunch of US senators about how the world was heating to hell. It’s taken another 20 years of sustained bullshit including Gore’s movie, a focus on every bad weather event, a gradual total capitulation by the media, a complete lack of consequence to every lie of alarmism, particularly the email scandal which showed conclusively the climate scientists were liars, the Gore movie case which conclusively showed that even if alarmism was real there were NO effects for alarmism to reach its full blossoming as a gigantic turd. Most of all alarmism has prospered because firstly the money, huge subsidies for lying science and renewables and secondly the ideology with the commie UN ratcheting up the nature is wonderful, capitalism is bad spiel. And won’t someone please think of the kids.

    For more on the mindset of the alarmist see this.

  219. Arky

    Robert De Niro: Pete Buttigieg Has ‘The Best’ Shot to Defeat ‘Piece of S**t’ Trump

    ..
    They can have De Niro.
    We are the counter culture.
    We have Johnny Rotten.
    In fact, any working class person with an IQ and an imagination is pro- Trump, pro- Brexit and waking up to just how disgusting the establishment is.

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    Im still predicting a Corbyn coalition government in the UK.

    Somewhere this morning there was speculation as to whether Corbyn could be trusted with state secrets at the highest levels. Have just read of Godievsky’s role in the Cold War as a top KGB agent, who was passing on hyper-invaluable information to MI6. Eventually sprung, the effort to get him out of Russia alive was monumental. Margret Thatcher was absolutely smitten by his courage and bravery, which stemmed from his detestation of Communism and all it stood for – not financial reward. Wonder if the same could be said about Jezza.

  221. mh

    Conservatives are $1.40 to form majority government.

  222. Arky

    Where does the public acceptance of AGW come from?

    ..
    Every school text book written since the late 80’s.

  223. The Countess

    When I left teaching in 2007 no one at school was talking about global warming or climate change at all…at primary school level. Now the curriculum is all about climate change/sustainability/environment to the exclusion of most everything else. I shudder to think of what got tossed out so this AGW nonsense could get shovelled in. I recently had to explain to a year 6 student that a bird is not in fact a mammal. She had no idea. It transpired that she didn’t know anything about animals at all, but could give me chapter and verse on the iniquities of Trump, the death of all the fish in the ocean, and yet more idiocy about global warming. I’m concerned about what they are teaching, but even more concerned about what they aren’t.

  224. Arky

    I recently had to explain to a year 6 student that a bird is not in fact a mammal.

    ..
    Except the booby.

  225. DrBeauGan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grtV811cURU

    This is a Sargon interview with Corbyn’s brother who sees Trump as an ally. Interesting, old left, with good values but shit economics. Still. Proof that Arky is right.

  226. Arky

    out-Labor Labor with a big taxpayer investment in massive incinerators that turn rubbish into the fabled “green energy”.

    ..
    Bullshit.
    Labor would never burn rubbish as an energy source.
    Sounds like a great idea.
    I must say, bloody un- Australian of you to oppose rubbish incineration.

  227. DrBeauGan

    In fact, any working class person with an IQ and an imagination is pro- Trump, pro- Brexit and waking up to just how disgusting the establishment is.

    This is the Arky quote that shows he is at one with Jeremy Corbyn’s brother.

  228. Top Ender

    “Reconciliation starts with the truth.” This was the simple and unarguable summary from Beryl Kropinyeri (who has since died) after a royal commission vindic­ated the stand of the “dissident” women in the Hindmarsh Island bridge affair in 1995.

    In that complex and bruising controversy, a courageous band of Ngarrindjeri women stood up for the integrity of their culture against powerful interests and the Keating Labor government, only to be pilloried for doing so by politicians, journalists, activists and the Aboriginal political establishment. All hell broke loose because they exposed the fabrication of so-called secret women’s business to block a development.

    For me, breaking and pursuing this story was an enlightening and scarifying experience. It might have warned me off the turf, but partly because of the knowledge gained and relationships formed at that time I have become increasingly invested in efforts to deliver progress and fairness for Aboriginal Australia.

    Too often, radical activism can be counter-productive. And the truth can be a radical concept in the postmodern age. The Uluru Statement from the Heart calls for a “fair and truthful” reconciliation based on “truth telling” — and who could disagree? But when it comes to telling the truth about dispossession, dysfunction in some communities, ongoing discrimination, or a controversy like Hindmarsh Island, some will be outraged by the pursuit of truth.

    So, to Bruce Pascoe and his book Dark Emu, which asserts implausible “facts” about sophisticated agriculture, food storage and governance systems in pre-settlement Aboriginal communities. “I wrote the book because I found it hard to convince Australians that Aboriginal people were farming,” Pascoe has said. “Using colonial journals, the sources Australians hold to be true, I was able to form a radically different view of Australian history. Aboriginal people were farming.”

    It is true that indigenous communities were more sophisticated in their management of land and food resources — semi-permanent settlements, fish traps, fire management, harvesting of grains — than might be the common perception that focuses on desert nomad practices. But unless any corrective sticks to the facts, it is pointless. Many claims in Dark Emu have been debunked by forensic reference to primary sources. A retired military officer, Quadrant magazine contributor and enthusiast for the diaries of Australian explorers, Peter O’Brien, has published Bitter Harvest: The Illusion of Aboriginal Agriculture in Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu.

    Others, led by Melbourne amateur historian Roger Karge, publish critiques on a website Dark Emu Exposed. One example is Pascoe’s reference to Aboriginal stone houses: “Reviewing the earliest colonial reports reveals an ­astonishing amount of reference to stone houses and other structures. The first explorers and settlers must have seen many more houses than the ones they wrote about; but even with such reluctant witnesses, the evidence is overwhelming.” Pascoe doesn’t cite sources but the website tracks down 19th-century references only to low stone circles used as windbreaks: “When we first occupied this country, it was quite common for the natives to use these circles as camping-places, always having the fires in the centre.”

    The case against much of Pascoe’s work is strong and it is vital because his book has been awarded prizes, will go on to school curriculums and will inform ABC documentaries. We are in danger of teaching a version of Aboriginal history that some may want rather than what existed.

    There is also the issue of Pascoe’s claimed Aboriginal heritage, not evident in detailed studies of his genealogy and not explained by him; even though he has received prizes and positions as an indigenous Australian. Andrew Bolt has been interrogating these issues — brave work given the way section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act was used against him in the past.

    Yet Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt told me on Sky News: “If Bruce tells me he’s indigenous then I know that he’s indigenous.” Privately, other indigenous activists are exercised about Pascoe’s claims. It all comes back to the truth. Uncomfortable as it may be for many, Pascoe’s heritage and, more important, the veracity of his historic claims are crucially important.

    We cannot fill classrooms with Pascoe’s book if it teaches fake history. Nor should the ABC propagate falsehoods in a documentary series. Reaction at the ABC so far has been depressingly familiar, with leading opinionistas such as Patricia Karvelas and Wendy Harmer attacking criticism of Dark Emu as “diminishing Aboriginal culture” and “astonishing”.

    What matters here is the truth.

    Link – the rest of the article goes on to talk about “the Voice”…

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Prior to their deportation to Russia.’

    The Tanami Desert will be my Siberia.

  230. thefrollickingmole

    26 to 1 odds over on betfair for a Corbyn win…

    If only the odds were a million to one it would be a sure thing.

  231. mh

    As a wise man 🤣 once said, the focus on majority government misses the point.

    It doesn’t miss the point when you are punting.

  232. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    the group was heading to a party and the people involved did not necessarily identify as right-wing extremists or white supremacists. “Once in the supermarket, I said to them that they were being highly disrespectful and had no idea what their uniforms meant,” he said. “The blokes told me that it was ‘only a joke’ and to f— off. I persisted, saying that there could be people here who went through World War II and the Holocaust

    Yeah, no, Dunderhead Dan voting Victorianstanian fascist imbecile. Thanks to the likes of you, the latter are all very dead. Do some basic mathematics, you fucking moron.

    Of course, had the young peoples (da Yoof) been clad in antifag regalia, then everything would have been apples.

    “Brave yoof, fighting against the (extremely old and basically dead) WW2 survivors”, I tells ya!

  233. Juan

    It doesn’t miss the point when you are punting.

    But it might effect how much your winnings are worth in January 2121. 😜

    In any case, your point is well taken.

  234. BrettW

    Has Ita Buttrose said anything about the Bruce Pascoe version of history ? Will a rebuttal documentary be shown or is this the new history the ABC is promoting.

    Any campaign going to stop this drivel being taught in schools ?

    Ken Wyatt is pathetic if all it takes is a white man to say he is Aboriginal then that is good enough for him. Even with the family history that shows no Aboriginal ancestors.

    This is a national disgrace and the ultimate in fake history and fake news.

    No doubt kids at school will be having to wrote projects based on this new version of history.

  235. thefrollickingmole

    The day that plunged Australia’s climate policy into 10 years of inertia

    This is supposed to be a condemnation of Robbs role in derailing Turnmerkels attempt to get the Libs to vote with Rudd over an ETS.

    What it actually does is shows what a manipulative and railroading turd turnmerkel was as head of the party.

    Robb was on sick leave from his job as shadow minister for climate, managing the notoriously difficult transition from one anti-depressant medication to another.

    In his absence, acting shadow minister for climate Ian Macfarlane had successfully negotiated, with the authority of Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull, a deal with the Rudd government to land the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, or CPRS.
    The concept of an emissions trading scheme was — nominally at least — bipartisan policy at the time.

    John Howard campaigned promising an ETS in 2007, and so did Kevin Rudd. The Greens were ferociously in favour.

    But the detail of Rudd’s plan created difficulties. The Greens wouldn’t have a bar of what the Rudd government bowled up.

    Even 10 years later, Rudd can still remember the tick-tock of the CPRS in pellucid detail.

    I reach him by telephone in a nameless Chinese airport. He is about to be served something billed as a Japanese burger, he reports.
    “They wanted 40 per cent, which would have put us far and away above any other country in the developed world,” Rudd says of the Greens.

    “There was no scientific justification for a 40 per cent cut. They just knew it was 15-20 per cent higher than anyone else was prepared to offer. They designed it in a manner to cause the negotiations to fail. The negotiations with them were a bullshit exercise.

    “And so we had to go to Plan B which was to negotiate with the Liberals.”

    Turnbull was of the view that a market mechanism was inevitable. He had Howard’s advocacy of an emissions trading scheme as authority within the party.

    And so it came to pass that on Monday, November 23, a deal was concluded between the government and the opposition that Turnbull resolved to put to his shadow cabinet and party room the following day.

    Enter the quiet assassin
    Robb obtained a confidential copy on the Monday afternoon. He says it horrified him.

    “It was a total sell-out, but it was so cleverly crafted that it would look, to the less informed, like we’d won the lottery in the negotiations,” Robb would later write in his memoir, Black Dog Daze.

    He sat up until late that night in his Canberra flat, studying the detail of the deal, rereading Turnbull’s public speeches, and composing an ambush.

    As Robb arrived at Parliament House on November 24, shadow cabinet was already meeting to approve the CPRS agreement. Shadow ministers Nick Minchin, Eric Abetz and Tony Abbott were staunch opponents, but were in the minority. All that remained was for the party room to rubber-stamp the deal.

    “Malcolm really played it pretty cleverly,” says Robb now. “He got them all in a position where they didn’t have enough information to contradict it so it was all going to go through in a morning. It was all set up, because he’d been negotiating with Labor for months.”

    Robb knew that he could not possibly telegraph to Turnbull that he was an opponent.

    “I think his biggest regret, and subsequent verbal attacks, were because I didn’t tell him,” Robb says.

    “I didn’t want to do it like that. But you fight fire with fire.”

    What happened was this. Robb seated himself in a row near the front of the room, expressed his interest in speaking and waited for the call. Hours passed, as speakers selected by Turnbull spoke in support of the deal, interspersed with opponents who — unfamiliar with the detail — simply restated their generic reservations about outpacing comparable nations in addressing climate change. Robb couldn’t catch Turnbull’s eye.

    He became anxious that Turnbull and his lieutenants — manager of opposition business Christopher Pyne and shadow cabinet secretary Michael Ronaldson — had twigged to his scepticism.

    An extraordinary tactic
    And so it was that Andrew Robb made one of the most extraordinary and — by most conventional measures — indefensible tactical decisions in the history of political chicanery.

    Parliament House is no stranger to mental illness. Historically, its sufferers have covered their tracks, loath to be seen as vulnerable.

    But this must be the only recorded occasion on which mental illness has been used as a tactic.

    Robb ripped himself a scrap of paper and scrawled a note to Turnbull.

    “The side effects of the medication I am on now make me very tired. I’d be really grateful if you could get me to my feet soon,” he wrote.

    Turnbull called Robb to speak soon after. He rose, and denounced the proposed scheme in forensic detail, his words carrying significant weight as the erstwhile bearer of the relevant portfolio.

    The deal never recovered. The meeting went on for six more hours. Turnbull — a streetfighter when cornered — added the numbers of shadow Cabinet votes to the “yes” votes in the party room and declared that he had a majority.

    The party room wasn’t buying it. Turnbull was cooked.
    One week and one day later — December 1, 2009 — a ballot was held for the leadership of the Liberal Party.

    Tony Abbott — who nominated against both Turnbull and shadow treasurer Joe Hockey — won by a single vote.

    The Abbott opposition was born, with its strident campaign against Labor’s “great big new tax on everything”.

    The next day, the emissions trading scheme legislation went to a vote in the Parliament and was defeated soundly.

    Potential greatness went flat out negotiating with the Rudd circus while keeping members of his own party in the dark.

    What a moist Eltahawy of a man.

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