Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. Mother Lode

    archaeoastronomy

    This is weird.

    An astronomers’ field covers time back to the big bang. For them millions of years are as much a matter of course as reading emails is for me. There would be no period that would be ‘archaeo-‘ for them. In fact their excitement over discovering a catclysmic space-time shattering explosion 200,000 lightyears away that occurred a billion years ago is the sort of excitement a normal person would get if they found a bottle of their favourite champers for half price online this morning.

    I am going to guess that ‘archaeo-‘ refers to the human time scale, so it is not really astronomy (a very abstract and mathematical discipline) but a branch of archaeology: What observations of grossly perceptible events do astronomers talk about can be found recorded in crumbled palaces or scratched into clay. But again, since indigenous culture had no palaces or clay records it will be ‘constructing a narrative’ from a few words the origin of which has been lost for millennia.

    *I am here discounting because we cannot have recourse to ‘natural laws’ before the big bang – because the Aborigines had not written those laws yet.

  2. lotocoti

    If you’re looking for chortles aplenty, you can’t go past the dystopian drama progressive nightmare Years and Years on SBS.
    Only the hardest hearted won’t find themselves stifling a chuckle when woke mum and woke dad lose their shit when they discover daughter No.1’s transition plan isn’t about swapping an innie for an outie.
    Or council housing officer brother (who leaves his husband for a refugee) struggling to cope with the refugee load, voting Tory.
    Or the violent overthrow of refugee friendly Socialist Spain by the refugee unfriendly ultra left wing People’s Party.
    Naturally, the fall is all down to Orange Man Bad going full HAM on China, four days from the end of His second term.
    And OMB puppet #46 Pence.

  3. mh

    2GB USA reporter said RBG wanted to see out DT. Can RBG last till January 2025?

    Which is why she is not fit to be a Supreme Court Justice. She is a political activist.

  4. Mother Lode

    *Trump’s 5 deferrals allowed him to avoid military service (which killed 57000 Americans in Vietnam and has a weight problem.

    Trump not serving in Vietnam caused 57,000 American deaths?

    The man is a monster!

  5. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Pro-democracy candidates in Hong Kong took a significant early lead in district council elections after residents turned out in record numbers to vote amid almost six months of anti-government protests.

  6. Old School Conservative

    On the subject of the bogan from Logan and her unfortunate children, perhaps if “Chain of Responsibility” legislation applied to government employees, such as social workers, there would be fewer of these tragedies?

    The grandmother was interviewed on one of the news stations last night.
    Her toothless face, neck tattoo and arm tattoo simply reinforced my stereotyping of the family exactly as described by Boambee John. Chain of responsibility could apply to family members too.
    Radio news today indicates different fathers for the two little ones.
    A “family” straight out of Theodore Dalrymple’s Underclass.

  7. mh

    KD, just give Logan the award already.

  8. So Erogenes created the big bang.
    Who woulda guessed?

  9. Mater

    Under former socialist Mussolini, Fascism as a form of government developed into a sort of corporatist nationalism that was in many ways indistinguishable for Marxist-Leninism but it is also arguable that it retained elements – rampant nationalism and the accord with the Church – that reflected its right wing, bourgeoise origins.

    The socialists expected WW1 to ferment the world wide revolution of the workers that they were all expecting. It didn’t and some of them were smart enough to learn that workers were more willing to die for their national identity than for their class identity.

    Mussolini was smart enough to notice this, changed tack slightly and adjusted his version of socialism accordingly. Having done this, it wouldn’t do to go murdering or stealing from a subset of the nation (the bourgeois). Much more useful to control them.

    I’m not sure these ‘heresies’ make it ‘Right Wing’.

  10. lotocoti

    give Logan the award already.

    I thought the award was for shit town, not necrotising haemorrhoid.

  11. Mother Lode

    But fascism, in its original early twentieth century incarnation, meant a political system defined by three attributes—authoritarianism, ethnonationalism, and an economic model in which capitalism co-existed with large state-directed industries and partnerships between the government and corporations.

    I would have said non-government enterprise was a subsidiary of government.

    The Nasties achieved this by government gradually stripping away the rights of owners to enjoy property in their name until the decisions are made by the state and the owner is reduced to implementing government decisions.

    The Chinese came from the other direct, carefully setting up entities notionally not government entities but which nevertheless function in tandem with the government to be advance its agenda.

  12. 1735099

    Hazmatic released the list of Nashos who said they had volunteered to go to SVN.

    Remind me.
    How many names were on that list?
    Remember that these were men already in the army.
    Then note the number of young men who were balloted out during the National Service scheme – it’s 804 286.
    Then explain why these men failed to volunteer to protect Australia from the red peril from the North when they had the opportunity to do so..
    Take your time…

  13. Mark A

    1735099
    #3244271, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:10 am

    It’s about as relevant as using “Communist” or “Socialist” as a form of abuse, something that is a hallmark of the ignorant conformity that characteristics this site.

    Hate to do this to a former teacher and PhD aspirant, but either,

    characteristics of this site
    or characterises this site

  14. cohenite

    Rowan Dean looks at the charts prepared by Chris Gillam and posted at Jo’s showing how the BoM data completely manufactures warming. Gilham, Jo and the rest of the team do great work in unmasking the BoM fraud and these charts, prepared from BoM data show that fraud perfectly:

  15. Boambee John

    ignorant conformity that characteristics (sic) this site.

    Pettifogging pedantic pedant fails again!

  16. Old School Conservative

    I’m glad that at least one woman has broken through the glass ceiling and smashed the gender gap of income.
    Oh…and possibly engaged in at least suspicious business practices.

    In fact, what emerges from the statement of claim is that for years Westpac management either turned a blind eye to, or knowingly allowed, ACM and LitePay to be used for money laundering, tax evasion and child exploitation.

    Lindsay Maxsted and/or Brian Hartzer need to explain why those products were set up in the first place and why we shouldn’t conclude they were actually designed to help crooks and paedophiles.

    And the accountability should include Gail Kelly, who received $11 million in her last full year (2014), including a cash bonus of $2.7 million and shares worth more than $5 million. (The Australian)

  17. 8th Dan

    Good morning, Vietnam!

    Again.

    What a surprise.

    Indeed. Hazmohno barfed a huge furball into the site at 12.01 am. Very messy. Essential mopping up operations may be ongoing.

  18. I can now explain the lack of any aboriginal artwork in many many areas and large swathes of the country.

    It is actually there. A depiction of the pre-big bang period.

  19. Boambee John

    Mark A

    Snap!

    The annoying thing is that the pettifogging pedantic pedanty pedant is so sloppy in its own work.

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    In my vain search for when Betelgeuse and Antares, two red super giants, might go splodey and if I will witness such an humungous event I find that the Sun is .7 million km in diameter and that Antares is 100 million km in diameter. Incomprehensible, even to one who prefers observed facts over fiction.

  21. thefrollickingmole

    Mussolini was smart enough to notice this, changed tack slightly and adjusted his version of socialism accordingly. Having done this, it wouldn’t do to go murdering or stealing from a subset of the nation (the bourgeois). Much more useful to control them.

    Muzzo, despite being a bombastic looking clown, probably deserves most of the “credit” for the fascist idea of “all for the state”.
    This is almost 100% opposed to the idea of liberty, freedom and respect for existing institutions.

    Fascism is for the only liberty which can be a serious thing, the liberty of the state and of the individual in the state. Therefore for the fascist, everything is in the state, and no human or spiritual thing exists, or has any sort of value, outside the state. In this sense fascism is totalitarian, and the fascist state which is the synthesis and unity of every value, interprets, develops and strengthens the entire life of the people.

    — Benito Mussolini, Giovanni Gentile, Doctrine of Fascism (1932)

    A lot of people (myself included) tend to ignore Italy and Muzzo, but for quite a while through the 20’s & 30’s they were seen as the senior group in the fascist nations.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can now explain the lack of any aboriginal artwork in many many areas and large swathes of the country.

    Unfortunately 9,000 year old thumb drives are quite prone to erosion. And the problem with storing the images on the cloud is that the cloud blows away pretty rapidly in a westerly wind.

  23. two red super giants, might go splodey and if I will witness such an humungous event …

    It most probably happened a looong time ago.
    The event just has not arrived here, yet.

  24. EvilElvis

    For 27, just look at her. You don’t get wrinkles around the eyes from too much sleep and healthy living.

    Yep.

    Johanna, these types are a dime a dozen at woolies. Pretty heads from a distance attached to strung out scrawny bodies. The kind you hear pinging out at their poor bloody kids over the fence as mum has a meltdown. But, some of the old photos do show a healthy young girl, full faced and genuinely pretty. She’s long gone and who knows why they do it.

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    And the problem with storing the images on the cloud is that the cloud blows away pretty rapidly in a westerly wind.

    The very same zephyr which is blowing QANTAS planes off the tarmac, making them late, and the latest victims of global warming.

  26. Mark A

    GM
    1.391 million km diameter of Sun

  27. Top Ender

    I guess archeoastronomy (or whatever spelling) is star stuff on old ruins and the like.

    Hey! The Bayeux Tapestry has Halley’s Comet.

  28. Secondary problem. Next gen micro SDs are indistinguishable from a grain of sand!

  29. struth

    Fascism, just like nazis and communists, are just variations on left wing collectivist ideologies that have the state playing the central and deciding role in people’s lives and actively persecute the individualists

    Exactly.

    Nothing about socialism, Fascism, communism comes from right wingers, or right wing policy or political ideology of the small government, freedom loving right.

    Nationalism is not just a right wing concept
    FMD.
    Do you see China dismantling it’s borders?
    It’s old fashioned communism no different to Hitler’s socialism or Russian Socialism, or Italian Fascism, and to argue the minor points of diffence is a left wing activity which confuses them as it is supposed to.
    “Well, you see, that really isn’t socialism” or “that’s not my type of socialism” is how lefties evade the disaster and tragedy that always befalls these beclowned states.
    If the deckchairs were placed over here, the wouldn’t have hit the iceberg!!!

    Here, this morning again we see the communist troll tell us China isn’t communist , in the typical “nothing to see here” playbook attempting to muddy the waters, and it works.

    This “international socialist or national socialist” divide really is just how active outside their borders socialists are, or how withdrawn.
    All socialist elite care for is power. They would never see their own nation destroyed , that’s their own power, until all others are and they are in control…..it really is that simple.

    So either a totalitarian government , is expansionist or it isn’t and that is usually only dependant on ability.
    All Chinese private companies have government communist advisors and boards and are monitored by the communist part.
    If you think you are dealing with a private communist company you are very, very mistaken.
    In Sniffy’s case he is wilfully promoting false communist party propaganda or is incredibly thick, all the both are not mutually exclusive in his case.

    Control of the means of production, not official “ownership” of the means of production , is actually ownership of the means of production, is it not?

    Those business owners are members of the communist party and the corruption and the disabling of the west by their mates in the UN give you the billionaires who are always part of the communist elite.

    If you are a billionaire in China , you are a communist.
    Or you claim to be.

    It’s all been done before and it’s future actions can be predicted, if not stopped.

  30. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘conformity that characteristics this site’

    Indicates a slipshod approach, y’know.

  31. struth

    So not all that different than Australia, just a lot more totalitarian, but we are fast catching up.

  32. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mark A
    GM
    1.391 million km diameter of Sun

    Thanks Mark. I knew that .7 was a trifle shy, but was too lazy to investigate further. Anyway, I have had enough of zeros for one day, I’m off to snare a million trout.

  33. 1735099

    ZK2A perseverates in claiming that I “volunteered” for service in Vietnam because I failed to join the CMF.
    Whilst this is bullshit, my memory of the time is hazy.
    What I vaguely remember at the point at which I was obliged to make a decision about national service is that I did consider the CMF after talking to an acquaintance at the time (a fellow student teacher) who was a CMF member.
    I wasn’t keen, as I had included with my registration form a cutting of Marshall Ky from Time magazine on which I’d drawn a noose around his neck. Ky was President of the government of South Vietnam at the time.
    I remember this acquaintance saying he attended parades in Brisbane where he lived on occasional weekends, but what I can’t remember is why I dismissed the notion that it would work in my case.
    Having come across this material recently, the reason for my rejection of the CMF option is making more sense, based on what I understood at the time –

    Although genuine service in the Citizen Military Forces was an alternative to national service, part-time military units were not always located at a convenient distance from farming areas, and naval and air force units were generally based in the capital cities. After eighteen months of lobbying from members of the rural community and members of the Country Party, Cabinet decided on 19 May 1966 to create special Citizen Military Forces units in each State in which men could serve in one or two concentrated periods each year rather than at the usual night parades and short camps throughout the year. Farmers, seasonal workers and others who could not join or train with normal units because of the nature of their employment or because there were no units nearby were entitled to join, and were required to serve for six years. Men wishing to enlist in the special units had to do so before the national service ballot was drawn for their age group. As the special units did not exist at the time of the first three registrations for national service, men granted twelve months’ deferment from the first three registrations on grounds of exceptional hardship were later given the option to join.

    It seems that because my home at the time was Texas (Qld not USA) I believed that it was not a practical option. Given that the Country Party had been carrying on about this issue for quite a while, and that eventually it led to the formation of rural units, I was not the only one in this situation.

    It makes sense now, fifty-two years after the event, and emphasises the fact that it was a bastard of a scheme, introduced hurriedly without consultation for political reasons without any real thought of its implications for those it effected.
    It worked out well, didn’t it?

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    8th Danielle:

    ‘Essential mopping up operations may be ongoing.’

    ‘Attention. Team member required in Dead Fat Meth Freak Rapist Appreciation Aisle. Adult faecal incontinence pads to be restocked, please.’

    Someone’s braided their pigtails a bit tight this morning.

  35. 1735099

    Here, this morning again we see the communist troll tell us China isn’t communist , in the typical “nothing to see here” playbook attempting to muddy the waters, and it works.

    It “works” because it’s true.
    Bit of a bugger, (the truth) isn’t it?

  36. Mark A

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3244322, posted on November 25, 2019 at 11:07 am

    I’m off to snare a million trout.

    And the best of luck to you, may your fly land at the right spot.

    (not the kind of fly Arky keeps unzipping)

  37. thefrollickingmole

    Samminator ate my comment.
    Lot of people igmore the original fascists in Italy.

    Probably because its leader was such a posturing tool.

    Fascism is for the only liberty which can be a serious thing, the liberty of the state and of the individual in the state. Therefore for the fascist, everything is in the state, and no human or spiritual thing exists, or has any sort of value, outside the state. In this sense fascism is totalitarian, and the fascist state which is the synthesis and unity of every value, interprets, develops and strengthens the entire life of the people.

    — Benito Musssolini, Giovanni Gentile, Doctrine of Fascism (1932)

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    8th Danielle:

    ‘Essential mopping up operations may be ongoing.’

    ‘Attention please. Team member required in Dead Fat Meth Freak Ropist Appreciation Aisle. Adult faecal incontinence pads to be restocked, please.’

    Someone’s braided their pigtails a bit tight this morning.

  39. struth

    It “works” because it’s true.
    Bit of a bugger, (the truth) isn’t it?

    It works because you dribble this shit to children and the naïve, and also to nice, decent people that have every right to be politically ignorant and enjoy their ignorance, but socialist/commos like yourself only see them as potential victims to be brainwashed by your shit.
    The truth has nothing to do with it.

  40. thefrollickingmole

    Oh noooooo, Guardian newspapers dont call them Communist, Numberwang will be upset at you…

    Documents confirm largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war

    Uighur’s 10-year term reveals level of repression
    Secret memo on how to run camps
    Emma Graham-Harrison and Juliette Garside

    The internal workings of a vast chain of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Muslim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist Party documents published on Sunday.

    Signed in the name of Zhu Hailun, the top security official and deputy Communist party chief in Xinjiang, it sets out how the centres were designed to expose detainees to a period of enforced indoctrination.

    The document states:
    Camps must adhere to a strict system of total physical and mental control, with multiple layers of locks on dormitories, corridors, floors and buildings. Fences should be put around each building, and walls around the compound. A dedicated police station must be at the front gate, all monitored by security guards in watchtowers.

    • Inmates could be held indefinitely – but must serve at least a year in the camps before they can even be considered for “completion”, or release.

    • The camps are to be run on a points system. Inmates earn credits for “ideological transformation”, “compliance with discipline” and “study and training”.

    • Even after completing their “education transformation” inmates are not allowed to go free. They move into another tier of camps, where they face a further three- to six-months’ internment for “labour skills training”.

    • Weekly phone calls and a monthly video call with relatives are their only contact with the outside world, and they can be suspended as punishment.

    • “Preventing escape” is a top priority. The order demands round-the-clock video surveillance “with no blind spots” to monitor every moment of an inmates’ day. Control of every aspect of their lives is so comprehensive that they have to be assigned a specific place not only in dormitories and classrooms, but even in the lunchtime queue.

    They say that in one single week in June 2017, the system flagged up more than 24,000 “suspicious persons” in the four southern districts of Xinjiang alone. Two-thirds of them were detained, with more than 15,600 sent into the re-education camps and 706 sent to jail.

    A further 2,096 people were put under surveillance and 5,508 were “temporarily unable to be detained” – suggesting they were destined for camps in future.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    Horrific about the two kiddies of the Bogan from Logan.
    Trying not to think of them cooking while mum slept off last night’s binge.
    But the media reaction has been somewhat muted.
    I am trying to imagine the reaction if some bloke locked his girlfriend’s cavoodles in his ute outside a pub.

  42. thefrollickingmole

    Oh noooooo, Guardian newspapers dont call them Communist, Numberwang will be upset at you…

    Documents confirm largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war

    Uighur’s 10-year term reveals level of repression
    Secret memo on how to run camps
    Emma Graham-Harrison and Juliette Garside

    The internal workings of a vast chain of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Mussssssim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist Party documents published on Sunday.

    Signed in the name of Zhu Hailun, the top security official and deputy Communist party chief in Xinjiang, it sets out how the centres were designed to expose detainees to a period of enforced indoctrination.

    The document states:
    Camps must adhere to a strict system of total physical and mental control, with multiple layers of locks on dormitories, corridors, floors and buildings. Fences should be put around each building, and walls around the compound. A dedicated police station must be at the front gate, all monitored by security guards in watchtowers.

    • Inmates could be held indefinitely – but must serve at least a year in the camps before they can even be considered for “completion”, or release.

    • The camps are to be run on a points system. Inmates earn credits for “ideological transformation”, “compliance with discipline” and “study and training”.

    • Even after completing their “education transformation” inmates are not allowed to go free. They move into another tier of camps, where they face a further three- to six-months’ internment for “labour skills training”.

    • Weekly phone calls and a monthly video call with relatives are their only contact with the outside world, and they can be suspended as punishment.

    • “Preventing escape” is a top priority. The order demands round-the-clock video surveillance “with no blind spots” to monitor every moment of an inmates’ day. Control of every aspect of their lives is so comprehensive that they have to be assigned a specific place not only in dormitories and classrooms, but even in the lunchtime queue.

    They say that in one single week in June 2017, the system flagged up more than 24,000 “suspicious persons” in the four southern districts of Xinjiang alone. Two-thirds of them were detained, with more than 15,600 sent into the re-education camps and 706 sent to jail.

    A further 2,096 people were put under surveillance and 5,508 were “temporarily unable to be detained” – suggesting they were destined for camps in future.

  43. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘My memory of the time is hazy.’

    Here we go. A short skip to ‘I can’t remember.’

    ‘its implications for those effected.’

    Effected? Affected?

    Meh. Potato, aircraft carrier.

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    Damn straight, LL.

    It’ll be forgettorised because vagina, when in a civilised society she’d be staked out in public and disembowelled with a spade.

  45. Snoopy

    Go easy on Bobby, please. The State Department document drop paid for by Soros hasn’t exactly gone the way he was hoping.

  46. Mother Lode

    2GB USA reporter said RBG wanted to see out DT. Can RBG last till January 2025?

    She has cut down on cis-gender fats and increased her daily intake of formaldehyde.

    But seriously – how would the reporter know what TBG wants?

  47. Mark A

    Leigh Lowe
    #3244334, posted on November 25, 2019 at 11:19 am

    Horrific about the two kiddies of the Bogan from Logan.

    It only shows how far decent, say normal people are from her kind.
    I can’t even imagine leaving our sons or later daughter in the car, they were the first, every time.

    I simply cannot imagine what went through her mind.

  48. Tom

    Hazmatic
    #3244083, posted on November 25, 2019 at 12:01 am

    Superb research saved for posterity, Hazmatic. Thank you.

  49. struth

    Fascism , communism and socialism differ by name only, and in practice the minor differences between socialist, fascist or communist states, is only found in the propaganda the totalitarian , murdering, state over the individual , psychopath in charge, choses to use.
    It’s still centralised government control of the people , for the self appointed elite, throughout world history, must have their slaves.

  50. 1735099

    Superb research saved for posterity, Hazmatic. Thank you.

    Doug Gibbons was a Nasho…

    It’s a great shame AN-D (AKA Hazmatic) has no regard for, you know, the actual truth.

  51. Snoopy

    But seriously – how would the reporter know what RBG wants?

    Ouija board?

  52. http://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/raw-data-bombshell-no-change-in-very-hot-days-in-australia-since-world-war-i/

    For those who missed the link.

    The let’s make things up crew are about as evil as it gets.

    The architects of the raw data f1ddling, shirley, must face a court. Sooner or later.

  53. struth

    Fascism , communism and socialism differ by name only, and in practice, the minor differences between them is only to be found in the propaganda used by the totalitarian , state over the individual , murdering psychopath in charge.
    Yet it is always, and without a doubt, left wing, centralised government control of the people , for the self appointed elite, throughout world history, must have their slaves.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lambie to the rescue!

    The least democratically elected representative in the House or Senate?
    Quelle my surprise.

  55. struth

    Fascism , communism and socialism differ by name only, and in practice, the minor differences between them is only to be found in the propaganda used by the totalitarian , state before the individual , murdering psychopath in charge.
    Yet history shows , and without exception, it’s the same old left wing, centralised government control of the people , for the self appointed elite, throughout world history, must have their slaves.

  56. thefrollickingmole

    Apologies to jimmy.

    Woking hard while still whinging
    Bringing shelter from the Falou
    A 2 spirit otherkin’s Xir left to carry on
    Fursuit on Xirs blue vein
    Oh oh oh, Xir’s a woking class Xir
    Well Xir’s a feelz town disciple
    Xir’s a legend of his kind
    Xir’s running like a neovagina
    Across the wild ABC Q&A
    Oh oh oh, Xir’s a woking class Xir
    Xir believes in Greens and 100 genders
    Xir acts out when he can
    Xir did his time in Uni
    Still mad at Tony Abbott
    Xir’s a simple Furry
    With a Neo-vadge of mold
    In a complicated post op procedures
    Oh Xirs’s a working class Furry
    Well Xir loves a little dont assume my gender
    Someday xir’ll make his skin suit
    Saving all the overtime
    For the one love of his life
    Xir ain’t worried about tomorrow
    ‘Cause Xir just made up his mind
    Life’s too short for Logical consistency
    Make it up at the time
    Oh oh oh, Xir’s a woking class man
    Oh oh…

  57. struth

    Nah, history used twice in the last sentence.
    I’ll clean that up.

    Fascism , communism and socialism differ by name only, and in practice, the minor differences between them is only to be found in the propaganda used by the totalitarian , state before the individual , murdering psychopath in charge.
    Yet without exception, it’s the same old left wing, centralised government control of the people , for the self appointed elite, throughout world history, must have their slaves.

  58. Roger

    Principle #7, ‘Xi Jinpin Thought’:

    “Practice socialist core values”, including Marxism, communism and socialism with Chinese characteristics.

  59. Mother Lode

    I guess archeoastronomy (or whatever spelling) is star stuff on old ruins and the like.

    Maybe it is archaeogastronomy – or the study of eating food way beyond its ‘use by’ date.

  60. Shy Ted

    It’s about as relevant as using “Communist” or “Socialist” as a form of abuse, something that is a hallmark of the ignorant conformity that characteristics this site.
    “Characterise” or “are characteristic of”, dumbass. If I’d been your special needs teacher at your special needs school… Mind you, you’d have got “A”s in both perseveration and abuse.

  61. The BoM.
    We have taxpayer funded guardians of OUR data, fudging the numbers.
    The same people refuse to publish the algorithms which result in the adjusted data.
    Where is the outrage?

    Would you be outraged if:
    Treasury/Finance fudged the annual growth figures?
    The national unemployment numbers were f1ddled?
    The amount of our politicians salaries were f1ddled or not published?
    If the salaries of employees of taxpayer funded organizations were adjusted prior to publication or not published?
    The raw counts of election votes were f1ddled or not published?
    Immigration numbers were adjusted or not published?
    Donations by foreign governments to political parties were adjusted or not published?
    A government funded organization f1ddles the data on the impact of tobacco plain packaging?

    C’mon. Tell me. What sparks the outrage?

  62. Fisky

    Uighur’s 10-year term reveals level of repression
    Secret memo on how to run camps
    Emma Graham-Harrison and Juliette Garside

    You almost have to feel sorry for the dumb China doves who STILL want Trump to unilaterally drop all tariffs on the PRC. Very very stupid judgment!

  63. struth

    Communism and socialism have killed Millions of their own people and millions of others around the planet and continues to do so.
    WW2 and Vietnam wee stated by them amongst man other wars.

    If you are called a communist as a form of abuse, that’s because it is.

  64. Shy Ted

    It makes sense now, fifty-two years after the event, and emphasises the fact that it was a bastard of a scheme, introduced hurriedly without consultation for political reasons without any real thought of its implications for those it effected.
    “Affected”. Effin ell, it’s like being a special needs teacher all over again.

  65. struth

    Nothing sparks outrage in Australia.

    You might get a few mumbles of discontent.
    And evil knows this.

  66. Shy Ted

    Sorry Mark A at 1040. Hadn’t seen your correction when I posted mine. But great minds think alike.

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    Get in line, Shy Ted.

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    You know, I really wouldn’t give a rat’s arse if the BOM fudged its temperature data. I really wouldn’t.

    Except that it’s being used as a basis to drive the civilised world into the dust from whence it came. Lowest common denominator and all that.

    And that’s why it actually does matter. It’s part of a scam to have my hard-earned pinched before I see it, and given to flogs who don’t deserve it.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Archaeoastronomy is a bit of an opportunity for an intrepid young astronomer fluent in cuneiform.

    I had a quick look earlier but couldn’t see many useful pages on it, despite a lot of interesting observations done by the ancient Sumerians, Egyptians and Babylonians. Some is related to the development of the calendar, other stuff is astrological – which was important in Sumerian and Babylonian civilizations, and also the Mede magi of three wise men fame.

    So if you want to do a PhD which is a bit more interesting than whatever Numbers is up to, try archaeoastronomy.

    (A fascinating area in my field is archaeometallurgy.)

  70. Top Ender

    No way to Wiggle out of sacking

    EWIN HANNAN

    Faking a sickie to take a child to a Wiggles concert was misconduct of “sufficient gravity” to justify being sacked, the Fair Work Commission has found, rejecting a Victorian man’s unfair dismissal claim.

    Sean Mamo, who worked as a car detailer for a Toyota dealership in Yarrawonga, purported to take personal leave in June to care for his son but took him to a Wiggles concert.

    A photo of Mr Mamo and his son at the concert posted on social media came to the attention of the dealership’s general manager, Steven Zandt.

    When Mr Zandt and the dealership’s owner, Robin Brewer, told Mr Mamo they believed he had falsely claimed personal leave, Mr Mamo initially denied it but admitted it after they told him they had seen the photo.

    Mr Mamo said he had not asked for a day of annual leave because he did not think it would be granted, and he did not apologise after being caught.

    Mr Brewer told Mr Mamo the company had lost trust in him and, taking into account his past poor performance, sacked him.

    Mr Mamo told the commission that his false claim for personal leave was not serious enough to warrant his dismissal.

    He said his dismissal took a toll on his personal life, as his relationship broke down, he had to relocate to Melbourne to look for work and he was out of a job for almost three months.

    Rejecting his unfair dismissal claim, deputy president Alan Colman said Mr Mamo “acknowledged his wrongdoing only when confronted with irrefutable proof”.

    “First, claiming personal leave to which one is not entitled is dishonest, and therefore a breach of the employee’s duty of good faith,” Mr Colman said.

    “Secondly, it seeks to obtain financial advantage by deception, by claiming payment for an absence on the basis of a false assertion. Thirdly, it asserts a legitimate right to be absent from work when none in fact exists.

    “Mr Mamo’s conduct is a clear case of misconduct giving rise to a valid reason for dismissal. He misled his employer in order to take a paid day off. He did not do what he ought to have done — ask to take a day of annual leave — because he did not think it would be granted.

    “Mr Mamo decided he was going to take the day off regardless by providing a false reason for his absence, one which would ensure he was paid for that day.”

    Mr Colman said it was not necessary for the commission to consider if Mr Mamo’s alleged poor performance constituted a further valid reason for his dismissal. Mr Mamo denied his performance had been poor.

    Mr Colman said it was sufficient for the commission to ascertain whether there was one valid reason for dismissal.

    “He deliberately misled the company about his reason for not coming to work and thereby claimed a payment to which he was not entitled,” Mr Colman said. “No extenuating circumstances have been brought to my attention.”

    Oz print edition

  71. Boambee John

    Would you be outraged if:
    Treasury/Finance fudged the annual growth figures?
    The national unemployment numbers were f1ddled?
    The amount of our politicians salaries were f1ddled or not published?
    If the salaries of employees of taxpayer funded organizations were adjusted prior to publication or not published?
    The raw counts of election votes were f1ddled or not published?
    Immigration numbers were adjusted or not published?
    Donations by foreign governments to political parties were adjusted or not published?
    A government funded organization f1ddles the data on the impact of tobacco plain packaging?

    I’m sorry, I have lost track.

    Which of these is NOT happening?

  72. Cardimona

    Cats, I’ve been crook so I’ve missed days of wit and wisdom here, and written few letters to papers.
    But I did get this one into Townsville’s paper on Saturday.
    So, my thanks go out to whoever inspired it.

    The Editor

    Management of bushfire fuel loads by Australian authorities has become so ineffective that a new fire danger category was introduced: “catastrophic”.

    So who are these ineffective managers who have allowed this catastrophic bushfire fuel build-up, and where do they work?

    They all have names and are searchable on the public record; they are the CEOs (or whatever they call themselves) of local councils, and of state and federal government departments.

    Some are the managers responsible for publicly-owned land, others set the regulations that make fuel load reduction on private land difficult.

    They are all paid very generously by ratepayers and taxpayers, but it is self-evident that they have failed to do as well as ancient indigenous people.

    At what point does this group of incompetents face the music? Why are public servants paid big bucks if there is no accountability?

    Inevitably, when the fire season is over there’ll be calls for a Royal Commission. We don’t need it. It would just drain our national wealth further.

    Simply summarily dismiss every local, state, or federal CEO whose patch hosted a catastrophic bushfire or whose rules stopped fuel load reduction. Those desolated areas are their fault.

    These summary dismissals would serve as a reminder to those on the public payroll that we expect value for our money and it may even prevent repeat performances.

    (222 words)

  73. Eyrie

    Would you be outraged if:
    “Treasury/Finance fudged the annual growth figures?
    The national unemployment numbers were f1ddled?
    The amount of our politicians salaries were f1ddled or not published?
    If the salaries of employees of taxpayer funded organizations were adjusted prior to publication or not published?
    The raw counts of election votes were f1ddled or not published?
    Immigration numbers were adjusted or not published?
    Donations by foreign governments to political parties were adjusted or not published?
    A government funded organization f1ddles the data on the impact of tobacco plain packaging?”

    How do you KNOW they aren’t

  74. Mother Lode

    ‘Essential mopping up operations may be ongoing.’

    You need to get “Depends Extra-Reliable” next time you are in the Daddy-Diaper aisle.

  75. Cardimona

    Tom

    There were a couple of days while I was crook where my entire capacity to look at electronic devices was dedicated to checking Tom’s ‘Toons around 4am on the Open Forum at Catallaxy.
    I value your contribution, sir.

  76. struth

    Cardimona, I hope you are recovering nicely.

    Keep up the good work!

  77. feelthebern

    Any Cat’s watching the Watchmen series?
    I think we are on the verge of the biggest bait & switch in TV history.
    Comes out of the blocks as woke beyond woke.
    Now changing into something completely different.
    Smart writing.

  78. Bruce of Newcastle

    Would you be outraged if […]

    The No. 1 Problem in Science: Dishonesty (22 Nov)

    The problem in science is a pervasive lack of basic honesty among too many people. As it turns out, scientists lie just as much as everyone else.

    Unfortunately, a lot of bad apples have been able to surf the reputations and accomplishments of the greats in science.

    The problem is the rise of highly renumerated government science coupled with the pal review system for both publications and ARC grants.

    So science here has become like arts, where the lefty insiders give grants and awards to each other.

  79. Eyrie

    After working at a University on staff for a couple of years I concluded that most university and quango “scientists” would make very good livings selling used cars.
    The grants application process is extremely Darwinian and those who aren’t good at selling don’t have jobs.

  80. Frank Walker:

    Let’s get the Bradshaw Paintings radioisotopically dated.

    My bet is that has already happened and the results didn’t conform to the narrative.

  81. cohenite

    Nothing sparks outrage in Australia.

    Nothing sparks organised outrage in Australia except by the left.

  82. cohenite

    They are all paid very generously by ratepayers and taxpayers, but it is self-evident that they have failed to do as well as ancient indigenous people.

    Good letter but that’s what got you in I reckon.

  83. Muddy:

    Even in a best-case scenario where nutrients are prolifically available, for there to have been no obvious development on a social and cultural level (see my posts above) as a result of those logistical tasks, is incredible.

    Muddy, you dismiss The Great Scorched Earth Policy of the aboriginal peoples who were determined to not have their civilisation captured by the Evil White Man, and the Conflagration of the Cities – witnessed by Captain Cook as he sailed up the East Coast.

  84. Top Ender

    Cardimona – great letter!

  85. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3244209, posted on November 25, 2019 at 8:45 am

    Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls;

    I present to you what I assert at this early stage of the day to be the most unassailable piece of non-self-awareness that we will see until at least 5.30 a.m. tomorrow. Of course, the author of this masterpiece is Four Leaf Tayback:

    ‘Today, only ignorant bogans stuck in the twentieth century’

    Not the one who is constantly recounting tales of how he valiantly fought alongside Privates Bell and Howell in the Battle of Choc Top in 1972 (or was it 1969?
    Surely not.
    Once a projectionist, always a projectionist I guess.

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nothing sparks organised outrage in Australia except by the left.

    Cats don’t do organised.
    Herd animals do organised.

    One of the things that people on the Right forget is that a large cohort of righties are Christians. The Bible instructs us to honour and obey the authorities. If the authorities are bastards we accept our executions cheerfully, more or less, as God is the one who will impart retribution upon them with interest.

    Consequently you’ll have great difficulty getting Christians to revolt against the government. You need to be cleverer about how you get them on side.

    Very few revolutions come from the Right. Chile’s one came from the military, so it was really a putsch not a revolution. The US Civil War was unusual in that the state government of Virginia was in opposition to the federal government in Washington, so Christians like Robert E. Lee had to decide which government to honour. Some, like Lee, chose the state. Others, like Grant, chose the federal. Christians fought on both sides as their consciences dictated. That is a rare situation.

  87. Muddy:

    Oh, and if that number of killings was possible, and continued for at least a brief period until the local population was decimated, surely that would result in an abundance of roo skins, which could then be traded with neighbouring settlements.

    The excess kangaroo skins were soaked in a dilute solution of eucalyptus oil, then stretched over the framework of vessels made for the coastal trade. They then dried to a kevlar like hardness. All vessels were crewed by the Aboriginal Seamans Union.
    As these ships were ecologically sustainable, they were towed out to sea when their productive life was over, and sunk to form the GBR.

  88. Top Ender

    A tweet is not an order: navy boss
    ROB GILLIES

    US Navy Secretary Richard Spencer said on Sunday he didn’t consider a tweet by Donald Trump an order and would need a formal directive to stop a review of a sailor who could lose his status as a Navy SEAL.

    “I need a formal order to act,” Mr Spencer said, and referred to the tweet. “I don’t interpret them as a formal order.”

    Mr Trump said last week the navy would “NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin,” inserting himself into a legal review of the sailor’s ability to hold onto the pin that designates him a SEAL.

    The navy had notified Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher that he would face a review early next month to determine if he should remain on the elite force.

    Chief Petty Officer Gallagher was acquitted of a murder charge in the stabbing death of an Islamic State captive, but a military jury convicted him of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in 2017. He was then demoted to petty officer.

    Mr Spencer, speaking on the sidelines of the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada, said if the President requested the process to stop, it stops. “Good order and discipline is also obeying the orders of the President of the United States,” he said.

    Despite his differences with the President over the case, Mr Spencer said he had not threatened to resign. But he acknowledged he served at the pleasure of the President. “The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief. He’s involved in every aspect of government and he can make decisions and give orders as appropriate,” he said.

    Chief Petty Officer Gallagher’s lawyers have accused the navy of trying to remove the SEAL designation in retaliation for Mr Trump’s decision last week to restore his rank. He filed a complaint with the inspector-general, accusing Naval Special Warfare commander Rear Admiral Colin Green of insubordination for defying Mr Trump’s actions.

    Under the review procedure, a five-person board will convene on December 2 behind closed doors. Chief Petty Officer Gallagher can appear once before the board but without lawyers. He can appeal any final decision that will be made by the Naval Personnel Board.

    Mr Trump’s initial order referred only to restoring his rank, but it did not explicitly pardon the SEAL for any wrongdoing.

    On the same day, the President also pardoned First Lieutenant Clint Lorance, who was serving a 19-year sentence for murdering Afghan civilians and Major Mathew Golsteyn, who was awaiting trial for an alleged murder in Afghanistan.

    Rear Admiral Green also notified three SEAL officers who oversaw Chief Petty Officer Gallagher, Lieutenant Commander Robert Breisch, and lieutenants Jacob Portier and Thomas Mac-Neil, that they were also being reviewed. Removing their Trident pins means they will no longer be SEALs but could remain in the navy, which has revoked 154 Trident pins since 2011.

    AP

  89. Top Ender

    A tweet is not an order: navy boss
    ROB GILLIES

    US Navy Secretary Richard Spencer said on Sunday he didn’t consider a tweet by Donald Trump an order and would need a formal directive to stop a review of a sailor who could lose his status as a Navy SEAL.

    “I need a formal order to act,” Mr Spencer said, and referred to the tweet. “I don’t interpret them as a formal order.”

    Mr Trump said last week the navy would “NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin,” inserting himself into a legal review of the sailor’s ability to hold onto the pin that designates him a SEAL.

    The navy had notified Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher that he would face a review early next month to determine if he should remain on the elite force.

    Chief Petty Officer Gallagher was acquitted of a murder charge in the stabbing death of an Is lamic State captive, but a military jury convicted him of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in 2017. He was then demoted to petty officer.

    Mr Spencer, speaking on the sidelines of the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada, said if the President requested the process to stop, it stops. “Good order and discipline is also obeying the orders of the President of the United States,” he said.

    Despite his differences with the President over the case, Mr Spencer said he had not threatened to resign. But he acknowledged he served at the pleasure of the President. “The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief. He’s involved in every aspect of government and he can make decisions and give orders as appropriate,” he said.

    Chief Petty Officer Gallagher’s lawyers have accused the navy of trying to remove the SEAL designation in retaliation for Mr Trump’s decision last week to restore his rank. He filed a complaint with the inspector-general, accusing Naval Special Warfare commander Rear Admiral Colin Green of insubordination for defying Mr Trump’s actions.

    Under the review procedure, a five-person board will convene on December 2 behind closed doors. Chief Petty Officer Gallagher can appear once before the board but without lawyers. He can appeal any final decision that will be made by the Naval Personnel Board.

    Mr Trump’s initial order referred only to restoring his rank, but it did not explicitly pardon the SEAL for any wrongdoing.

    On the same day, the President also pardoned First Lieutenant Clint Lorance, who was serving a 19-year sentence for murdering Afghan civilians and Major Mathew Golsteyn, who was awaiting trial for an alleged murder in Afghanistan.

    Rear Admiral Green also notified three SEAL officers who oversaw Chief Petty Officer Gallagher, Lieutenant Commander Robert Breisch, and lieutenants Jacob Portier and Thomas Mac-Neil, that they were also being reviewed. Removing their Trident pins means they will no longer be SEALs but could remain in the navy, which has revoked 154 Trident pins since 2011.

    AP

  90. As details of the Chicom espionage are further exposed, one wonders if the ruinabaubles scam will be linked to the espionage.

  91. thefrollickingmole

    I havent found Flannagans article but it sounds like a real “frothing at the ears’ piece.

    Read Richard Flanagan’s article in today’s edition for a dissection of Morrison’s actual motivations.
    Summarizing the story he says “Morrison’s Pentecostal religion places great emphasis on the idea of the Rapture. When the Rapture arrives, the Chosen – that is, those Pentecostalists with whom the prime minister worships and their controversial pastor – will ascend to Heaven while the rest of us are condemned to the Tribulation – a world of fires, famine and floods in which we all are to suffer and the majority of us to die wretchedly, while waiting for the Second Coming and Scott and co wait it out in the Chairman’s Lounge above. Could it be that the prime minister in his heart is – unlike the overwhelming majority of Australians – not concerned with the prospect of a coming catastrophe when his own salvation is assured?”

    He writes this shit while adhering to the death cult of ‘stinkin rebellion and the chrch of the holy Greta.

  92. feelthebern

    Battle of Choc Top in 1972

    Eleventy VC’s were handed out that day.

  93. feelthebern

    PS, VC’s might mean Violet Crumbles.

  94. Tom

    Dow Jones Newsagency via the Paywallian:

    Hong Kong voters delivered a resounding defeat to the government and a major show of support for the protest movement, as millions turned out for local elections that had become a referendum on the mood of the city.

    The outcome will put more pressure on the government to negotiate with protesters demanding an investigation into police violence and democratic elections for the city’s legislature and chief executive, the city’s top leader. It was also a rebuke to Beijing, which has pushed the city to crack down on the protests.

    Voters swept away dozens of establishment and pro-China candidates vying for 452 district council seats and handed a majority to the city’s pro-democracy camp — the first time opposition parties have won control of a political body in Hong Kong. The councils are low-level entities that typically handle neighborhood issues, but the elections are the only ones in Hong Kong to offer universal suffrage, and that gave them outsize importance as a statement of the public’s attitudes.

  95. Arky

    Good to see heavyweight boxing entering an interesting era.
    Boxing is an important component of culture. A culture that takes itself with seriousness requires a heavyweight division of serious men, not ranting, big headed arseclowns.
    ..


  96. ZK2A:
    re the two child car deaths:

    Gina McKenzie, who regularly babysat the girls, told The Australian there had been previous complaints to authorities about the children being left in the car. “It had happened before as welfare had been contacted a number of times by people complaining,” Ms McKenzie said.
    “I am not shocked at the charges, I am disgusted they were left in that car.”

    Well Gina, I’m not shocked at the crime or the charges, I am disgusted they were left with their mother. I hope your conscience is clear, Gina.

  97. thefrollickingmole

    Found the Fannagan piece.

    Seriously weird.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/25/scott-morrison-and-the-big-lie-about-climate-change-does-he-think-were-that-stupid

    the shouty Commandant of the Pacific camps perhaps his most heartfelt to date, the Gaslighter-in-Chief his most audacious, his Mini-Me to Donald Trump’s Dr Evil not without tragicomic charge – but sorrowful Father of the Nation has begun to feel a firebreak too far.

    As Australia burns, what we are witnessing nationally is no more or less than the criminalisation of democracy in defence of the coal and gas industries.

    Hates him we do, Gollum, Gollum…

    Which brings us back to that industry’s number one salesman, the prime minister, standing there in the ash in the manner of Humphrey B. Bear on MDMA, as, mollied up, he pulls another victim in the early stages of PTSD into his shirt, his odour, his aura – such as it is – and holds them there perhaps just a little too long. Sometimes, at his most perplexing, he lets that overly large head loll on the victim’s shoulder and leaves it there. Prayers and thoughts naturally follow.

    Perhaps it is just his way. Certainly, the prime minister is an unusual issue of two stock types frequently derided in broader Australian culture: the marketing man and the happy-clappy. But in fairness to both tribes, he seems to draw on the worst in both traditions and make of them something at once insincere, sinister and vaguely threatening.

    Perhaps it’s the slightly up and down smile, the uneven mouth and crooked teeth, a lack of symmetry that can be attractive in some here seems to suggest nothing more than an untrustworthy menace. After all Elvis made of his sneer an alluring smile. Scott, with his reverse magic, makes of his every smile a sneer.

  98. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    From Flanagan’s rant in the Grauniad:

    Getting on with the job would be calling a moratorium on new thermal coalmines and gas fracking. Getting on with the job would be announcing a subsidised transition to electric vehicles by 2030. Getting on with the job would be working to close down all coal-fired powered stations as a matter of urgency. Getting on with the job would be calling a summit of the renewable energy industry and asking how the government can help make the transition one that happens now and one that creates jobs in the old fossil fuel energy communities.

    These people are insane.

  99. Roger

    “Morrison’s Pentecostal religion places great emphasis on the idea of the Rapture. “

    So much emphasis, indeed, that his church’s statement of beliefs doesn’t even mention the rapture.

  100. Mother Lode

    announcing a subsidised transition to electric vehicles by 2030.

    Which is tantamount to saying that people will pay for the full retail price of the vehicle (which they don’t wish to pay at retail) through purchase price and tax.

    Not quit a nett zero since administering the subsidies is an extra cost.

    So charging people more for something they didn’t want. They will pay the full price and then some not for their choice of car, but the government’s choice of car.

    And they wonder why socialism never works.

  101. stackja

    World not ready for ageing HIV population
    Healthcare providers are not equipped to provide the complex care needs of HIV-positive people as overall numbers continue to rise, according to experts.
    Nilima Marshall, Press Association
    November 25, 2019 12:16pm

    Global health systems are unprepared to meet the needs of an ageing population living with HIV, experts warn.

    While people with the virus are living longer due to the success of preventative measures such as HIV testing, condom provision and drugs, new research indicates healthcare providers face a new challenge in caring for those with the lifelong condition.

    An estimated 36.9 million people are now living with HIV globally, according to figures from UNAIDS, a branch of the United Nations which aims to end Aids as a public health threat.

    Of them, 7.5 million are aged 50 years or older, which is more than double the 3.3 million from 10 years ago.

    Professor Jeffrey V Lazarus, of the Barcelona Institute for Global Health in Spain, who led the research, said: “Life expectancy for people living with HIV has increased rapidly since the late 1990s.

    “However, this means that health systems are responsible for the care of increasingly large numbers of ageing people with HIV.”

    While new diagnoses of HIV in the UK have fallen to their lowest level in almost two decades, with about 4484 cases reported in 2018, there are still 103,800 people living with the condition, according to Public Health England.

    And more than 38,000 of them are aged over 50.

    In a series of papers published in the journal The Lancet HIV ahead of World Aids Day on December 1, an international panel of academics say that healthcare systems are not equipped to manage the complex care needs of HIV-positive people as overall numbers continue to rise.

    Older people, in particular, are more vulnerable, the researchers say, as they face additional health challenges associated with ageing.

    In 2014, UNAIDS set a global 90-90-90 target, with a goal for 90 per cent of people who are HIV-infected to be diagnosed, 90 per cent of people who are diagnosed to be on treatment and 90 per cent of those who receive the treatment to be virally suppressed.

    Viral suppression involves taking drugs to keep the level of HIV in the body low and prevent the virus being passed on, known as anti-retroviral therapy.

    The authors are calling for the extension of this global target to include a “fourth 90” that focuses on quality of care, saying more needs to be done to address stigmas and discrimination associated with HIV.

  102. cohenite

    Cats don’t do organised.
    Herd animals do organised.

    Cats don’t do organised. Neither I suspect do the majority of voters but the onslaught by the media and socialist interests in education and increasingly in business means that the punters, whose instincts are right wing which really means individual rights based, either get no choice politically or get outright lies to base their choice on.

    I really believe if Trump hadn’t won the world would have been fucked by now. As it is it’s touch and go.

  103. Roger

    These people are insane.

    Flanagan’s “plan” would catapult us back to the pre-industrial age for next to zero impact on the climate, yet he regards Morrison’s church as a weird cult.

    Fanatics have so little self-awareness.

  104. stackja

    Bourke in drought for two years. Now suddenly extra help.

    NSW cabinet delivers $2M to Bourke to secure water supply

    The drought-ravaged town of Bourke will receive an extra $2 million to build critical water infrastructure to ensure it does not run dry come summer.
    Danielle Le Messurier, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    November 25, 2019 11:43am

    The drought-ravaged town of Bourke in the state’s north west has been thrown a lifeline with the Berejiklian government announcing an extra $2 million to build critical water infrastructure to ensure it does not run dry come summer.

    Premier Gladys Berejiklian – who will hold the first-ever state cabinet meeting in Bourke today – said the money would be provided immediately and go towards the construction of an additional bore and pipeline “to increase the town’s long-term water supply”.

    It takes the government’s total investment in the community to $4 million.

    Meanwhile in Sydney:
    Light Rail
    Roads and tunnels
    Desal plant

  105. jupes

    Chief Petty Officer Gallagher was acquitted of a murder charge in the stabbing death of an Is lamic State captive, but a military jury convicted him of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in 2017. He was then demoted to petty officer.

    That a military jury is concerning itself with such trivialities, shows that the military is well beyond peak-lawyer and should start divesting itself of the counter-productive fuckwits asap.

  106. cohenite

    Boy, did the slapper get away with stuff: it’s long but hot off the press:

    Media freedom views obscured by political leanings
    Chris Mithchell The Australian November 25, 2019

    Some journalists seem to have discovered a passion for media freedom since the election of Scott Morrison’s Coalition in May and raids on the ABC’s Sydney headquarters and the home of News Corp journalist Annika Smethurst in June. Yet some of the same ­people once supported the Gillard government’s attempt to muzzle the press. Now revelations about the authenticity of a West Australian Corporate Affairs document in the AWU slush fund affair may again test views on free inquiry.
    Chris Kenny, on Sky News on October 28, said former Ten Network political editor Paul Bongi­orno had not always supported media freedom. Writing for The New Daily in mid-October, Bongiorno warned that Australia was on a slippery slope to tyranny. Yet in March 2013, Bongiorno supported an attempt by the Gillard government, in the face an investigation by Hedley Thomas of the slush fund affair, to introduce a news media council to regulate the press. He tweeted: “There is no censorship. Just laws to uphold the newspaper-owned Press Council’s own stated aims.”
    Many at the ABC and Fairfax backed Julia Gillard’s attempt to nobble the media via the Finkelstein inquiry set up by her former communications minister, now Sky News commentator, Stephen Conroy.
    Gillard, a solicitor in the early 1990s with Slater and Gordon in Melbourne, incorporated for her then boyfriend Bruce Wilson the Australian Workplace Reform Association in Perth. Wilson, at the time WA secretary of the Australian Workers Union, used money from the association to help buy a house in Melbourne’s Fitzroy in the name of union official Ralph Blewett.
    I first learned of the affair in the mid-1990s when Queensland former state secretary of the AWU Bill Ludwig urged The Courier-Mail to look at the disappearance of money he considered his union’s. Years later, Ludwig’s faction in federal parliament, led by then treasurer and now national ALP president Wayne Swan, remained loyal to Gillard.
    Former AWU national secretary Paul Howes in 2012 ­famously told Gillard at his union’s conference on the Gold Coast: “We’ve got ya back.”
    Those wanting to replace her with Kevin Rudd, deposed by Gillard in June 2010, drove the slush fund issue to destabilise her. Former ALP attorney-general Robert McClelland was just one of several factional heavyweights pushing the story.
    Gillard was rolled by Rudd in mid-2013 and the press regulator idea was dropped. Later, the incoming Abbott government set up the $45.9m trade union royal commission (TURC) led by former High Court judge Dyson Heydon to look at trade union corruption.
    The royal commission found witnesses interviewed by Hedley in 2012 about the use of slush fund money to renovate Gillard’s house in Abbotsford in inner northern Melbourne were truthful.
    He had spoken to an AWU organiser, Wayne Hem, and Victoria Police fraud squad detectives and builder Athol James about work on the house. The TURC recommended no action against Gillard as she had been duped by Wilson but criticised her legal work for him and commented adversely about her testimony on James, saying “Athol James’s testimony is to be accepted over hers”.
    In August 2012, Hedley tracked down former Slater and Gordon equity partner Nick ­Styant-Browne in the US, who revealed the firm had wanted Gillard out in 1995 over her role in setting up the association for Wilson.
    Hedley, when interviewed for a piece on his induction into the Media Hall of Fame last November, said his slush-fund coverage was his proudest achievement, no small thing for a journalist with two Gold Walkleys and five other Walkleys.
    Gillard’s political handling of the issue was masterful. She tried to intimidate two of this company’s former Australian chief executives and their Fairfax counter­parts into a series of backdowns.
    She pulled on surprise press conferences at short notice in Canberra with political journalists who were not across the story — yet she refused to be interviewed by Hedley. She tried to shut down mainstream media interest but could not stop her own internal critics or the blogosphere.
    Some of those bloggers have kept looking. Chief among them is former Sydney 2UE radio host Michael Smith, who lost his job in 2011 after a dispute with Fairfax management over his pursuit of the story. He now runs his Michael Smith News site from a small Thai island in the Andaman Sea. He and retired former Perth detective Dave McAlpine, who investigated the matter for the WA police in the 1990s, have kept probing the slush fund. McAlpine lives on a farm in northern Thailand.
    Late last year, Smith emailed me to say he had located retired former WA Corporate Affairs chief R.P. Neal. Gillard had adopted a document allegedly from Neal in her evidence at the TURC.
    Dated May 15, 1992, it purports to be Neal’s conditional approval of the Workplace Reform Association. The TURC relied on this document in its chapter on the association’s incorporation. It is signed and the words “Ray Neal assistant director” appear beneath the signature.
    Neal’s name is Ramon not Raymond. For that reason, he always used the initials R.P. rather than “Ray” beneath his signature.
    Smith has obtained from Neal a sworn affidavit that he did not sign this document. Speaking from Perth 10 days ago, Neal said he was not alleging the document was a forgery and mentioned a stamped signature that was sometimes used when he was away. On his blog, Smith has reproduced the stamp and signature from the alleged Neal document and they appear different. Smith also recorded a powerful phone interview with Neal, published on Smith’s blog in October 2016.
    Both Neal and his former boss, Ralph Mineif, have said the association would never have been incorporated under terms set out in the letter: the association will be incorporated “subject to receiving a written undertaking that the ­association will amend its rules to include new rule 3A within 30 days of being notified of the incorporation.” Mineif says of the Neal letter: “In my opinion this is not a valid document.”
    I advised Smith last year to send the Neal affidavit to Justice Heydon, whose office responded by notifying him the matter would be forwarded to federal ­Attorney-General Christian Porter’s office.
    Speaking in Sydney last month, Smith and McAlpine said they thought the matter needed to be pursued. McAlpine does not understand how $400,000 can have been embezzled yet no one held legally accountable. Smith is trying to launch a private prosecution through the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions.
    Gillard did not respond to texts for this column but her office emailed saying she was overseas and would not be commenting. Having spoken to her several times about the slush fund when she was PM, I believe she would suggest the paper speak to Wilson and Blewett about the Neal letter.
    Doubtless Smith is right about likely media reaction. Journalists last month demanding federal Minister for Energy Angus Taylor fall on his sword over a forged set of travel expenses involving Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore are likely to ignore the latest twist in the slush fund story.

  107. Tom

    Frollickingmole, I suppose someone has got to read that nihilist garbage from the communist chattering classes, but it seems to occupy hours of your day wallowing in a shit-splattered online cow bail. I can think of easier ways to make myself stink.

  108. Top Ender

    Posted on Mark Latham’s Outsiders:

    We have had a huge victory. The Queensland Supreme Court has just determined that universities have no jurisdiction to adjudicate sexual assault.

    Justice Ann Lyons (pictured) has just made a judgement in a pivotal case involving a University of Queensland medical student who was accused of sexual assault by another student. Wendy Mulcahy, the lawyer for the accused student, took the matter to the Supreme Court arguing that UQ did not have the jurisdiction to adjudicate such matters.

    In her landmark judgement, Justice Lyons concluded universities are only entitled to make decisions in sexual assault cases which have been proved in criminal court. The university’s role is then to decide on any further penalty could be imposed on someone found criminally guilty of such a crime – such as expelling him or her from the university.

  109. Eyrie

    ” the military is well beyond peak-lawyer and should start divesting itself of the counter-productive fuckwits asap.”
    Rule 223 works well.

  110. BrettW

    From The Age :
    Hot on the heels of buying Bellamy’s Organic for $1.5b, China’s Mengniu Dairy has reached a deal to acquire major Australian brands including Dairy Farmers, Berri and Pura.

  111. cohenite

    What I found interesting is that Smith now lives in a remote part of Thailand.

  112. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What I found interesting is that Smith now lives in a remote part of Thailand.

    Ralph Blewitt lives in Malaysia, Dave MacAlpine also in Thailand.

  113. Doc Beau Ghan:

    Communism and socialism are all about being nice and kind to everyone but particularly poor people, just like Christianity. It’s all about fairness and not letting mean and greedy bastards steal all the money. So it’s morally admirable and we should all embrace it. This is why we should admire and respect numbers, as he will assure us.

    I think it was Reagan who made a speech about the “…inheritors of the lunatic ideologies of the twentieth century…” I’ve looked for it for years, but can’t find it. I’ve used DDG, Firefox and IE.
    Can anyone else remember it and post a link.
    Reward: I will let the finder wear my Cuba Cap at the next Cat Get Together for one hour.

  114. jupes

    What I found interesting is that Smith now lives in a remote part of Thailand.

    Probably a step-up from when he was living in that union woman’s shed.

  115. thefrollickingmole

    Tom

    If you can endure Rowe cartoons every day im happy to wallow in the gruinaid to see what the wokeratti are frothing about for this 24 hour period.

    They have created a near perfect self reinforcing bubble there, I havent bothered sneaking back in and joining comments since my last ID was suspended for “tone” of my posts, not anything solid, I think it just had too many people hitting the “report this poster” buttons.
    There used to be a number of solid conservative or non coolaid drikers in the commentators there, but they have all been culled so all thats left are a handful of people taking one or 2 pot shots before they are banned.

    They are stuck in a purity spiral now, nearly insulated from any critique of the opinions they have been given.

  116. cohenite

    Probably a step-up from when he was living in that union woman’s shed.

    Poor Smithy, he wouldn’t be the first good bloke to become a dribbling wreck under the wafting gaze of a vagina.

  117. johanna

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3244220, posted on November 25, 2019 at 9:04 am

    One for Johanna.

    Just had a channel-bill cuckoo land in the camellia near my front door, about 2 m from me. She looked at me and I looked at her.

    She lobbed in the camellia because she saw some friendly currawongs were in it collecting breakfast.

    Which brings me to your question yesterday. I think what you have in that tree is a currawong nest with a channel bill chick in it. Channel bill chicks are one of the most annoying critters in the universe. They are very loud and they squawk for food incessantly. I get one or two of them arrive most seasons with unfortunate currawong parents who come to me for food then relay it back to the enormous flying gullet waiting and squawking in a nearby tree. A couple years ago one of them memorably ate about half a pound of mince in about 10 minutes before it finally shut up.

    So I think your unwelcome guest is a channel-billed cuckoo kiddie.

    Thanks, Bruce. You may well be right – there are lots of channel-bills in this part of the world. Plus, while there are also lots of currawongs, I have never heard this persistent, irritating squawking from their nestlings before.

    Choosing currawong parents is a good idea – they are big birds that collect lots of food. Thankfully, the time can not be far off when the noisy brat leaves the nest for good!

  118. JC

    Poor Smithy, he wouldn’t be the first good bloke to become a dribbling wreck under the wafting gaze of a vagina.

    Totally unforgivable. As a lesson to others, no dude should be ever forgiven for that sort of transgression.

  119. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What I found interesting is that Smith now lives in a remote part of Thailand.

    $5 love you long time

  120. Fisky

    Someone ask Smithy if VicPol are about to put the cuffs on Gillard. Any day now Smithy!

  121. cohenite

    A good compendium of anti-alarmist talking points to through at any alarmist you come in contact with from Warwick Hughes’ blog; a taste:

    Why did you change your views on climate change?
    By Chris Boyd
    I was an anti-corporation, anti-oil, politically left person who was also regularly depressed and thoroughly freaked out about climate change since first reading about it in 1998.
    So I jumped at the chance in 2015 to put my advertising creative skills to work on a voluntary project where I created a viral campaign concept to promote climate change and renewable energy. I spent almost a year developing the concept, using my spare time and money and doing vastly more reading on the subject than I had before, including many things about CO2.
    Here are some of the conclusions I personally came to, slowly at first, then eventually all at once in the following few years after the project, and some salient points I read along the way:
    1 • There is an element of ‘predatory green capitalism’ to the movement that makes money out of scaring the public and politicians and who keep the scare going, despite none of their apocalyptic predictions coming true for the last 30 years.
    2 • Whilst it is unlikely scientists are getting rich out of researching CO2–caused catastrophic climate change – many jobs, university departments, tenured professorships, mortgages and college funds now depend on the money governments give to it continuing to flow.
    3 • An atmospheric physicist or meteorologist who now comes out against the theory of human caused ‘climate emergency’ (as it is now called) will have their careers, livelihoods and reputations destroyed, rather than having their science objectively considered.
    4 • Much of the public’s belief or disbelief of the theory is more about their political ideology and continuous microdosing of the message in the media than any significant research into the subject, and I would have included myself in this categorisation a few years ago.
    5 • There is still no directly observed evidence that CO2 causes catastrophic climate change, only correlations and extrapolations. Any graph or chart you see about temperature trends or sea level rise is often fraudulently presented, still has no demonstrable link to CO2 and may be entirely due to natural cycles. The location of New York city used to be under roughly one mile of ice only 20,000 years ago, after all….

  122. Fisky

    Poor old Michael Bloomberg. He’s barely started opening his wallet on his doomed campaign and the NYT is breaking stories all over the place about XJ. He’s done!

  123. JC

    Cronkite

    He wasn’t just living in her garden shed, peering at her through the windows. He also accompanied her to court with her boyfriend like a spare … at a wedding.

    How much can one take before you cut the chord forever. Furthermore, he was acting like a spare …. when he knew she had been charged for pilfering union money. He more or less forgives that slapper, but not the other? Come on. It’s a cuck site.

  124. JC

    NYT is breaking stories all over the place about XJ.

    What’s XJ?

  125. cohenite

    Yeah, I said that head prefect, the poor bastard was kunt-struck.

    You have the same effect on me.

  126. 1735099

    Not the one who is constantly recounting tales of how he valiantly fought alongside Privates Bell and Howell in the Battle of Choc Top in 1972 (or was it 1969?
    Surely not.
    Once a projectionist, always a projectionist I guess.

    The recounting of “tales” doesn’t bother me at all.
    So nor should the truth bother you.
    Check this out to see who was actually “once a projectionist” in 7RAR at Nui dat in 1970, safely behind the wire.
    You might even recognize one of the names of an occasional contributor to this site.
    Would it be OK if, every time he posts here, he is addressed as the “projectionist”?
    Asking for a friend…..
    The truth is a bugger.

  127. Fisky

    It’s a province in the far west of the PRC, JC

  128. JC

    Well you have to remain that way, Cronkite as I’m a fully contented hetro.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bourke St inquest: Volunteer bail justice Christos Pantelios says police bungled James Gargasoulas bail hearing

    Remy Varga
    Reporter
    @RemyVarga
    2 hours ago November 25, 2019

    Victoria Police “bungled” James Gargasoulas’ bail hearing and did not provide his criminal history, says the volunteer bail justice who released the soon to be murder just a week before he mowed down pedestrians on Melbourne’s Bourke Street.

    Teacher Christos Pantelios, told an inquest into the 2017 tragedy that Senior Constable Jake Semmel and Senior Detective Murray Gentner didn’t “make a song and dance” about Gargasoulas being a risk to the public.

    “I had the impression weren’t making a massive song and dance about him being a massive danger to society,” he told Victoria’s Coroners Court.

    Mr Pantelios said Constable Semmel “bungled” through the offender’s criminal history at the January 14 hearing.

    “He bungled through his papers when asked of the history of failure to answer bail,” he said.

    “He also needed to seek clarification from, particularly towards the end of the hearing where he stated that Gentner had a much better understanding of the accused’s past.”

    Detective Gentner has previously told the inquest he ran downstairs to hearing when he heard there was a possibility Gargasoulas would be granted parole.

    From the Oz.

  130. thefrollickingmole

    I cant scroll back up, but whomever it was complaining about the crappy bait & switch with products from China might like this article.
    Worth a RTWT
    Many Chinese manufacturers are behaving as though they have no future

    The China Law Blog (previously) reports on the kinds of questions that western businesses operating in China are raising; China’s serious economic downturn and rising authoritarianism have turned the site’s normally businesslike posts into a glimpse of a kind of cyberpunk stranger-than-fiction dystopia (for example).

    A new post on the site describes the consequences of a sharp downturn in the Chinese economy: a new mood among many Chinese businesspeople that they are at the end of the long Chinese boom and that there’s no reason not to burn their bridges with non-Chinese firms, because they’re not going to be doing business with them for much longer no matter what.

  131. These people are insane.

    These people are criminally insane.

    FIFY

  132. max

    Anyone wanting to follow up Hazmatic’s excellent post on Ambon at 12.01 will find details of the postwar pilgrimages by veterans and family members and their work on the island here:
    ZIARAH
    THE GULL FORCE ASSOCIATION
    PILGRIMAGES TO AMBON

    It’s a remarkable and moving story.

  133. johanna

    Just got to P’s video at 9.30am about channel-bills being raised by currawongs – thanks very much, it confirms Bruce’s diagnosis. That annoying squawking towards the end is exactly what I am hearing. And hearing. And hearing.

    The good news is that by the time they make that much noise, they are well on the way to leaving.

  134. Kev

    You might even recognize one of the names of an occasional contributor to this site.

    Bad call Numbers. I was a professional soldier and Intelligence NCO at Nui Dat for the first few months of the tours and then, as a part of career progression, went as Patrol/Section Comdr in Recce Platoon for the last 8 or 9 months of the tour. That was a sort of promotion – your transfers….not so much.

  135. feelthebern

    What I found interesting is that Smith now lives in a remote part of Thailand.

    Feel sorry for Michael Smith.
    No idea where he’s living, but Thailand has a growing number of sophisticated enclaves.
    Good food, weather & healthcare if you need it.

  136. feelthebern

    49ers are now equal fav to win the super bowl post their drubbing of the packers.

  137. Cardimona:

    There were a couple of days while I was crook where my entire capacity to look at electronic devices was dedicated to checking Tom’s ‘Toons around 4am on the Open Forum at Catallaxy.*
    I value your contribution, sir.

    And we value yours, Cardimona.

    *That’s pretty damn crook, mate.

  138. 1735099

    Bad call Numbers.

    You wouldn’t know, Kev.
    But you’d know a little, more, perhaps than the usual subjects who abuse me on this site because they don’t like my opinions.
    If “once a projectionist – always a projectionist” applies to me, then it also applies to you.
    Take it up with those who use it as an insult.
    Not my problem.

  139. Ssh Kev.
    We’re hoping it has wandered off.

  140. Cohenite:

    I really believe if Trump hadn’t won the world would have been fucked by now. As it is it’s touch and go.

    I’m trying to find something to disagree with about your statement, but I cannot.
    143.2% correct.
    211% righteous.

  141. Johno

    HaHaHa. Sniffy comparing himself to Kev. Absolutely no self awareness at all. One was a professional soldier doing his duty. The other,well, a complete pain in the backside annoying everyone until he got a pogo job.
    Sniffy has spent 50 years trying to get the history of that conflict changed so that he can come out of it with some dignity. Not gunna happen boyo, Hazmatic should be along soon to rip you another one.

  142. Johno

    Save the reply for tomorrow sniffy,gotta go,busy busy busy.

  143. Knuckle Dragger

    Lost again, Old Yeller. And in record time too.

    Your problem with this one is that others were rostered for it. You leapt on it to distance yourself from the possibility of having to do anything constructive.

    Please don’t try to rope actual veterans into your fiction. (I’m sure Kev doesn’t need help, but the point stands.)

    Steno Bob the liability.

  144. Knuckle Dragger

    On a happier note:

    I have formed the view that the Tesla will be the Trabant of our age, should we let this madness continue on its current course.

  145. 1735099

    One was a professional soldier doing his duty.

    There are two very old professions.
    Soldiering is one of them.
    My best promotion was civilian status on discharge.

  146. 1735099

    Hazmatic should be along soon to rip you another one.

    I’m still waiting for him/her/it to post corrections and apologies for his/her/its last bundle of misinformation.
    Was Gibbo a Nasho and did Frank Topp join D Coy 6RAR 2 weeks before the battle of Long Tan?

  147. cohenite

    My best promotion was civilian status on discharge.

    You’re not a civilian, you’re a commie.

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I ended up in the Army to do a job, not get a job.’

    We’re aware of your thoughts on people soldiering for a living, Old Yeller.

    Well beneath you, although you’ve been wearing their bravery as a cloak for the past 50 years.

    Stuck in the twentieth century, indeed.

  149. Snoopy

    TheirABC

    Rescuers are struggling to save 14,600 sheep loaded on a cargo ship that capsized in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania.

    Relax. All except a few hundred are drowned or suffocated.

  150. Geriatric Mayfly

    I have formed the view that the Tesla will be the Trabant of our age, should we let this madness continue on its current course.

    Funny. Have just finished The Spy and the Traitor, and that other great automotive achievement the Lada was used by KGB spooks to trail and pursue those under surveillance. Larger vehicles could be identified by
    the pursued, because of the triangle of dirt on top on the bonnet. The brushes in the People’s Car Wash No. 25 could not reach the middle.

  151. Shy Ted

    Having been thoroughly discredited in her campaign to malign and denigrate men, Tracey Spicer gets her own little show on ABC this evening. Silent No More – TS presents a revelatory series, shining a light on sexual harassment within vast corporations and small businesses, its impact and tackles the confusion about what is and isn’t sexual harassment. Methinks Ita’ 5 year plan needs to take a lot less than half a decade.
    Along not dissimilar lines I popped into work the other day, a rare event these days and while trying to attend to an avalanche of irrelevant-to-me emails I saw that they wouldn’t be offering me any more work after November as 4 mandatory competencies would have expired – the White Ribbon domestic violence comp which states that having an argument or not handing over all your wages is violence: the Cultural Competency comp which seems to be Dark Emu with pictures of happy little blackfellas waiting for high speed rail to take them to their jobs in the city; Trauma Informed Care which explains that the next junkie who threatens to punch my lights out or stab me with a syringe is a victim of past trauma and must be listened to empathically; and one other which escapes me but along the same SJW lines. None of these competencies allow for disagreement and if you don’t become a good little SJW and comply, find another job. The majority of my colleagues treat all these things as a joke but comply because they have mortgages and such like. In a few days or weeks when they ring me I shall plead competencelessness.
    Funny but my other job in the APY lands which is full of the most disadvantaged, black-skinned blackfellas doesn’t require me to be “Culturally Competent”. Maybe they’re not Abbariginal enough.

  152. Tailgunner

    Very few revolutions come from the Right

    Great post,Bruce.
    Mince? Please?
    😃

  153. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A new post on the site describes the consequences of a sharp downturn in the Chinese economy: a new mood among many Chinese businesspeople that they are at the end of the long Chinese boom and that there’s no reason not to burn their bridges with non-Chinese firms, because they’re not going to be doing business with them for much longer no matter what.

    de-coupling is really the ultimate aim, Xi and his band of kleptocrats will never abide by any deal. without the west china is fucked. it’s people live in mental cages and have no ability to think freely and thus innovate.

  154. Tailgunner

    Tesla will be the Trabant of our age,

    Hehe.
    You’ll hear me at the lights, vegan scum!

  155. Shy Ted

    Competencylessness. Gawd, with all my grammatical and spelling errors I feel like I’m turning into Nambers.

  156. bespoke

    1735099
    #3244324, posted on November 25, 2019 at 11:09 am
    ZK2A perseverates in claiming that I “volunteered” for service in Vietnam because I failed to join the CMF.
    Whilst this is bullshit, my memory of the time is hazy.
    What I vaguely remember

    Is this progress? A change or sign of introspection from the hundreds of times “every thing I say is true blue 100% fact”?

    I think not. Only reserved for this site and in typical weaselly fashion

    Ground Hog Day.

  157. Old School Conservative

    There are two very old professions.
    Soldiering is one of them.

    Numbers compares himself to a prostitute.
    Unfavourably.

  158. Tailgunner

    As a lesson to others, no dude should be ever forgiven for that sort of transgression.

    C’mon,man – twice is unforgivable,yes. But once?
    And if she was a super hot witch with unnatural feminine powers???

  159. JC
    #3244505, posted on November 25, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    Cronkite

    He wasn’t just living in her garden shed, peering at her through the windows. He also accompanied her to court with her boyfriend like a spare … at a wedding.

    How much can one take before you cut the chord forever. Furthermore, he was acting like a spare …. when he knew she had been charged for pilfering union money. He more or less forgives that slapper, but not the other? Come on. It’s a cuck site.

    Good lord that’s sad.

    Anyone remember kathyjacksonforpm.com ??? no, neither do !

    The unions are just like “The Joke”. They corrupt you so you can’t blow the whistle on anyone.

    As for expecting Gillard to be gaoled – at lest I wasn’t serious, but it was fun to stir up montell.

    monty uses “I was only joking” about once a week, so a couple of times a year is fine for me.

  160. Eyrie

    KD, I agree that electric cars are a solution insearch of a problem but check out the Tesla pickup the Cybertruck. At first i thought WTF? but it grows on you. Showed Mrs Eyrie who said ‘Wow, cool. cute, looks like a Mars rover!”. I think chicks will buy it. SiL staying with us for a week had same reaction.

  161. Anthony

    Bloomberg is welcome to run for president of the US, but he’d be well advised to remember the old saying: It’s better the billionaire you know…

  162. Leigh Lowe

    There are two very old professions.
    Soldiering is one of them.

    It is spelt “soldering”.
    Like welding.
    You’re welcome.

  163. Mater

    Showed Mrs Eyrie who said ‘Wow, cool. cute, looks like a Mars rover!”.

    Sorry, Eyrie.
    It looks like a 2008 Prius covered in steel plate.

  164. feelthebern

    My best promotion was civilian status on discharge.

    Phrasing.

  165. feelthebern

    Anyone got a lazy 120k sitting around?

  166. Shy Ted

    When did you drop the “civil” from civilian, Bob? Must have been some considerable time ago.

  167. Eyrie

    Mater, I wonder if a turret is an option?

  168. Tailgunner

    $120k x 2.38
    $285k…
    For what?

  169. 8th Dan

    Bad call …

    Nah … doesn’t look that way:

    Only one KJ Gillett on that list of projectionists.

    Only one KJ Gillett on the Nominal Roll for Vietnam too.

    Both Corporal … and no mention of bone spurs … or frostbite.

  170. feelthebern

    A current pollie told me that what’s said in the chamber & in committee is covered by parliamentary privilege.
    So do all pollies have to check themselves post the David L, Landwhale judgement today?

  171. Mater

    Mater, I wonder if a turret is an option?

    Just adapt this!

    https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0

  172. Great to see Federal Court judges think they can repeal the constitution. Their betters might beg to differ.

    Such strong and independent wahmen only need the entire state monopoly on violence to shut up an opinion that they don’t like, to wit: Jill Meagher may not have died if fuckwit Adrian Bailey was tasered, maced, billy clubbed or shot to death by Ms Meagher.

    Better to keep on perpetuating the myth that women are just as strong as men so we can keep gun control and not be like those disgusting Americans, Swiss, Canadians…

  173. Snoopy

    feelthebern
    #3244587, posted on November 25, 2019 at 4:45 pm
    Anyone got a lazy 120k sitting around?

    Dot?

  174. bespoke

    Kev’s not the type to brag but for people that don’t know he has first hand experience in helping the less fortunate in Asia and troubled kids back home. Not a pen pusher but a doer and a leader.

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A current pollie told me that what’s said in the chamber & in committee is covered by parliamentary privilege.
    So do all pollies have to check themselves post the David L, Landwhale judgement today?

    IIRC, he used the same words in media interviews outside the chamber, so parliamentary privilege didn’t apply.

  176. All my funds lately have gone to Peter Ridd and the Daiwa and Shimano corporations; plus my loveable scamp of a nephew.

  177. classical_hero

    It’s amazing how economically illiterate the average person is. Most can’t differentiate between a subsidy and a tax credit.

  178. bespoke

    my loveable scamp of a nephew.

    Comic-con partner, Dot? 😃

  179. JC

    Dutton is a sack of shit.

    Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has used Question Time to accuse Westpac of giving “a free pass to paedophiles”.

    Mr Dutton used a question from a government backbencher to talk up the work of the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac), which is taking civil proceedings against Westpac over allegations it has broken finance laws 23 million times.

    “Westpac banking bosses, through their negligence, have given a free pass to paedophiles and there is a price to pay for that and that price will be paid and we have been very clear about it,” Mr Dutton said.

    “We have no more important undertaking as a government than to keep Australian children safe. We will continue to do it. It is clear that the Westpac Banking bosses have failed that obligation.

    “We will make sure through Austrac and the other entities within the home affairs portfolio that people who commit those egregious offences or breaches of the law will pay a serious price.”

    Mr Dutton’s attack came towards the end of the first question time of the final sitting fortnight of the year.

  180. JC

    Dutton is a sack of shit.

    Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has used Question Time to accuse Westpac of giving “a free pass to paed.**ophiles”.

    Mr Dutton used a question from a government backbencher to talk up the work of the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac), which is taking civil proceedings against Westpac over allegations it has broken finance laws 23 million times.

    “Westpac banking bosses, through their negligence, have given a free pass to paedo.***philes and there is a price to pay for that and that price will be paid and we have been very clear about it,” Mr Dutton said.

    “We have no more important undertaking as a government than to keep Australian children safe. We will continue to do it. It is clear that the Westpac Banking bosses have failed that obligation.

    “We will make sure through Austrac and the other entities within the home affairs portfolio that people who commit those egregious offences or breaches of the law will pay a serious price.”

    Mr Dutton’s attack came towards the end of the first question time of the final sitting fortnight of the year.

  181. Mr Dutton used a question from a government backbencher to talk up the work of the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac), which is taking civil proceedings against Westpac over allegations it has broken finance laws 23 million times.

    Good.

    Make the dickhead prosecutor state every breach individually.

    My understanding is that there was actually only one child abuser in all of this, and the scale of the transactions were quite small.

    Bank bashing always plays well to bludging red necks, social credit cranks and those with no propensity to save or better themselves to get a better job, let alone have the courage and initiative to start their own business.

  182. feelthebern

    Dutton is a sack of shit.

    Fact check: true.
    It was 12 transactions.
    Out of 25 million that were not compliant.
    Out of billions of legit ones during the time period.
    Which Westpac self-reported.
    I hate banks, but this Westpac pile on is a farkin joke.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    All my funds lately have gone to Peter Ridd and the Daiwa and Shimano corporations

    Dot – Fishing I presume, not bicycle?
    Did a first run with a new back treadly wheel today. It’s excellent when you can put on a new wheel and gears and have it fit without hassle. Just a little tuning of the derailleurs.
    Old wheel was increasingly busting spokes due to metal fatigue.

  184. feelthebern

    Mr Dutton used a question from a government backbencher to talk up the work of the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac), which is taking civil proceedings against Westpac over allegations it has broken finance laws 23 million times.

    LOL.
    Austrac knew nothing.
    Westpac self reported.

    When Comm Bank was hauled over the coaled for the cash deposits in China town, guess what?
    Austrac knew nothing.
    HSBC dobbed Comm Bank in.
    How?
    Because that was where the money ended up.

  185. 1735099

    Bad call …

    Nah … doesn’t look that way:

    The point is not that Kev was a projectionist occasionally, but that it is not used as a form of abuse in his case.
    I showed 2 movies at the Horseshoe in August 1970 because I was there, had the time in the evening, and told someone in command that I knew how to operate the projector.
    That got picked up in an American review of my book, and has been used as a smear because I put opinions here that are verboten.
    It’s completely transparent that there are many posting here who get off on abuse, and this illustrates it very clearly.
    Service in Vietnam is not a pissing contest, but any sane individual would show compassion to those who did so, not abuse.
    That compassion should be applied to people like Kev, who continues to support ex 7 RAR members by his activity as webmaster. That gift of compassion should apply whether volunteer or Nasho, but the regs are the ones that need it most, because they had good intent, and were betrayed by their government, as was the whole Australian task force in the end. Their residual bitterness is reflected in their behaviour exhibited here.
    I did not want to be there, but made the most of it, and generally had a pleasant tour, with a broader experience than most Nashos. I won – I came back in one piece, and scored post discharge resettlement training that set me on a course leading to promotion, and gaining positions at the top of my profession, which allowed me to contribute positively to the lives of thousands of kids with disabilities for nearly fifty years.
    Strangely, my experience in Vietnam was part of the motivation for that. It’s an ill wind….
    Conscription was an abuse, and morally indefensible, but we had it easier than those who volunteered because they thought they were doing the right thing, and were mugged by reality, both when they got there and when they got back.
    The obscene attacks I am subjected to here motivate me to examine the history of that conflict, and the more I discover, the more I understand that I have an ethical obligation to set the record straight.
    I don’t need compassion, because I went into the whole deal open eyed, and have done well since.
    The anger, betrayal, and anxiety felt by my (now dead) parents whilst I was there cannot be assuaged by anything the current government could do now, so long after the event, but an apology would do no harm to surviving veterans and their families.
    I’ll continue to advocate for that whilst I’m around.
    Get used to it.
    I don’t give up, and abuse motivates me.

  186. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Just heard SHY won her case against DL. The leftosphere is smugly atwitter.

    Of course the Guardian omits the original words that SHY said that started the whole debacle, because of course the issue is not that SHY was wrong but that DL is not allowed to make fun of her for it.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/25/sarah-hanson-young-awarded-120000-damages-defamation-david-leyonhjelm?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    During the April trial, Hanson-Young accused the former senator of sexism during cross-examination, saying he “called me a hypocrite because I have sex with men”.
    “What’s sexist about that?” Leyonhjelm’s barrister, Tony Morris QC, asked during the trial.
    “He wouldn’t say it to a man,” she replied.

    Yes, truth is no defense to an accusation of sex discrimination.

  187. JC

    I really can’t stand that bald zombie, Bern. He’s also retarded.

    I can’t believe a senior minister of the Liberal party would make such a dishonest claim like that. I have no Wetpatch stock either. This is the sort of dishonesty I’d expect from the Greens.

  188. Arky

    The point is not that Kev was a projectionist occasionally, but that it is not used as a form of abuse in his case.

    ..
    Sounds as if people like him.

  189. feelthebern

    numbers moving furniture.
    From the 40 second mark.

  190. johanna

    Bruce, if you haven’t scrolled back, your diagnosis of the cause of my earache is correct. 🙂

    Thanks also to P for the confirmation video.

    Bloody cuckoos.

  191. Kev

    8th Dan.
    You’re way out of your depth. Bob’s comment was simply dumb – so dumb that even you can’t grasp it.

  192. Snoopy

    Fishing gear is cleverly designed to catch anglers, but money spent on a nephew or grandson is never wasted.

  193. During the April trial, Hanson-Young accused the former senator of sexism during cross-examination, saying he “called me a hypocrite because I have sex with men”.
    “What’s sexist about that?” Leyonhjelm’s barrister, Tony Morris QC, asked during the trial.
    “He wouldn’t say it to a man,” she replied.

    Um yeah love…most men aren’t gay, and they don’t even think every other men are responsible for all sorts of horrors committed against women by a select few dickheads.

    Women are not as strong as men. Jill Meagher was never going to defend herself against Adrian Bailey without a weapon of some kind.

    That is why DL pissed off the Greens. He made a good argument for a right to bear arms. A feminist one, albeit red-pilled.

  194. areff

    Jill Meagher may not have died if fuckwit Adrian Bailey was tasered, maced, billy clubbed or shot to death by Ms Meagher.

    Jill Meagher need not have died if the Labor hack, whose former career was chasing ambulances for the Bendigo Trades Hall, had not been rewarded for good comradeship with a nice, juicy gig on the bench.

    Rob Hulls again, I believe.

    Bailey, for no good reason whatsoever, socked a bloke outside a pub with a sucker punch and smashed his jaw to pieces.

    Goes to court. Convicted. Legal Aid lawyer announces intention to appeal, so hack magistrate lets him go on bail — despite the piece of ambulatory excrement already being on probation.

    Bailey killed the poor girl, but it was Rob Hulls and Magistrate Saines who are profoundly culpable.

  195. Boambee John

    Tailgunner

    The CFMMEU leadership seems to have sold its members down the river in the BS/AWU tradition, not once, but twice. First by giving large donations to the Greenslime, whose political philosophy is based on putting most CFMMEU members out of work, and then by allowing large numbers of Chinese building workers free access to building sites.

    When do you propose to lead your Deplorables in a rebellion against head office?

  196. C.L.

    I really can’t stand that bald zombie

    Neither can I.
    It’s not the first time he’s used da petta-files as a battering ram for some tawdry purpose.
    He wheeled them out to argue for the banning of decryption too.
    Belongs in a squad car with a styrofoam-cup coffee and a donut – staking out a bottlo.

  197. Anyone see what happened to FPS Russia?

    A total authoritarian nightmare and a prime example of why we should end most if not all gun laws and drug laws now.

    These are sick, depraved and anti-humanitarian laws.

  198. Bailey killed the poor girl, but it was Rob Hulls and Magistrate Saines who are profoundly culpable.

    They will never fall on their swords.

    Good men during the Victorian era would have paid their dues to society with half a bottle of Islay Whisky and made it final with their old Webley .44 short rimfire they earnt during the Soudan.

  199. classical_hero

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-25/industrial-fire-at-waste-facility-in-south-guildford-perth/11735442

    It’s quite a big industrial fire that the smoke can be felt this way. The wind being south easterly,so it’s being sent our way.

  200. jupes

    “We have no more important undertaking as a government than to keep Australian children safe. We will continue to do it. It is clear that the Westpac Banking bosses have failed that obligation.

    I still don’t get it. Why is it up to a bank to ” keep Australian children safe”?

    Isn’t it the government’s job to”keep Australian children safe”? What is the pe*do doing out and about?

  201. johanna

    Been re-watching Friday on My Mind, the story of The Easybeats, on IView.

    It’s not bad at all, and remarkably free of SJW influence.

    Plus, the music is wonderful.

  202. cohenite

    Just heard SHY won her case against DL. The leftosphere is smugly atwitter.

    $120K for slut-shaming.

    The costs will cripple him.

  203. C.L.

    Been re-watching Friday on My Mind, the story of The Easybeats, on IView.

    It’s very good.
    The first recording session with nerd gentleman Ted Albert showing them how it’s done was brilliant.

  204. feelthebern

    120k would only just cover SHY fees.
    David is not should of a penny.
    Doesn’t matter who the parties are.
    This was a stupid case that needs to be appealed.

  205. Fleeced

    > $120k would only just cover SHY fees.

    Legal fees yet to be award/decided – so expect that to be added.

  206. 8th Dan

    Kev … I am never out of my depth.

  207. Snoopy

    DL is fortunate he didn’t out the men who had rooted SHY. Imagine how much that would have cost him.

  208. C.L.

    It wasn’t a brilliant witticism from David, unfortunately.
    If you’re going to pay for a famous riposte, at least make it one for the annals.

  209. JC

    Look, I like David L very much. However, he did make an uncalled for comment about the lardball on Sky. It is what it is.

  210. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I am never out of my depth.’

    Regale us again about how Mr Batterham’s ‘antecedents’ and criminal history could be used in his trial, Rumpole.

    I do like how you try so hard, little darling. You’ll get that pony one day.

  211. Cassie of Sydney

    JC
    #3244665, posted on November 25, 2019 at 5:53 pm
    Look, I like David L very much. However, he did make an uncalled for comment about the lardball on Sky. It is what it is.

    Agree JC…I have long thought that it was very unwise for DL to repeat outside of parliament what he said to the slag under parliamentary privilege.

  212. Arky

    You sometimes trip over interesting comments reading old Catallaxy posts:

  213. Arky

    Infidel Tiger
    #2168276, posted on October 10, 2016 at 12:29 am

    Trump is a junk yard dog, and boy does Washington need one to clean it out.

    Earth to Mars.

    He’s losing in every poll. He will most likely lose between 40-50 states.

    This is a disaster of biblical proportions.

    He’s not getting stronger, he’s a broken and diminished loser of zero standing who has helped destroy the Republic.

  214. cohenite

    Trump has around him some of the most magnificent women who have ever existed; just watching Lara Trump. She has an amazing face, looking at it is like drinking a cold glass of the best champagne. Smart and sensible too.

  215. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘I am never out of my depth.’

    You’d be out of your depth in a puddle in the car park, Grogarly.

  216. Arky

    I think the Infidel Tiger of 2016 is my favourite cat.

  217. cohenite

    Speaking of special women: Kirralie Smith on Knitted Dongalongs: what every weird women who wants to be a bloke needs:

    https://www.binary.org.au/knitted_dongalongs

  218. Kev

    8th Dan
    You posted links that proved it that it had to be me that once showed a movie in Nui Dat like a typical Lefty gotcha attempt except I hadn’t deny it in the first place. I just pointed out it was a stupid thing for Numbers to say as our situations had no comparison.

    You totally missed that, locked and loaded your keyboard and did some pointless research. So if that’s not swimming 20 feet under water and gasping for breath then I don’t know what is.

  219. Juan

    A current pollie told me that what’s said in the chamber & in committee is covered by parliamentary privilege.

    Correct; though it’s not necessarily a free for all. Each houses polices its own members on matters of defamation — as shown with David Leyonhjelm’s censure — but unlike the real world there are no financial penalties imposed.

    So do all pollies have to check themselves post the David L, Landwhale judgement today?

    If you’re talking about the behaviour alleged by Senator Hanson-Young, then that would be a moot point. The Senators she accused were Fraser Anning, Barry O’Sullivan, Cory Bernardi and, of course, David Leyonhjelm; and of the four Senator Bernardi is the only who remains in the Senate and even he will have departed by the end of the year.

  220. JC

    Cronkite

    Lara isn’t magnificent. She’s just okay.

    Shut up and stop getting excited.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    In fairness Kev, 8th Danielle has long suffered from premature enunciation.

    The painters always seem to be in, so to speak.

  222. Beachcomber

    Industrial fire sends fireballs, thick smoke into the air at Cleanaway waste facility in South Guildford

    ….. the Cleanaway waste management and recycling facility contained pallets of compressed plastic and compressed cardboard blocks destined for recycling.

    These materials were fuelling the fire, which was burning at extremely high temperatures.

    “These materials” could be safely and cleanly disposed of in a landfill at a fraction of the cost of “recycling”. Such as the waste landfills on which large parts of Ascot and the Perth Stadium have been built. In contrast waste “recycling” sites are the most polluted locations in Perth and potential environmental disasters.

  223. johanna

    True, C.L., Ted Albert was a most unlikely mentor to a bunch of ragamuffin would-be pop stars. But, truth is stranger than fiction. As always, luck played a big part. Talent is not always rewarded. That’s life.

    Note also that the Scots and the Dutch get along quite well. There is a lot of cultural similarity there – not wasting money, hard work, and being direct. Of course, that dates from before all the Scots with any get up and go got up and went, and the Dutch polity was taken over by Euroweenies of the worst kind. Still, Dutch farmers have been holding huge demonstrations (thousands of tractors clogging the roads etc) opposing the latest EU directives.

    Un Zud was mainly settled by Scots people, and their accent mimics those of parts of the old country. As I have mentioned before, they sure can make a dollar go a long way when it comes to their TV shows. What TheirABC spends on diversity consultants would fund half a dozen ten part shows worth watching made in Un Zud.

  224. cohenite

    Head prefect, we’ve had this conversation before; your taste in women, like slick willy’s, is in your cigar.

    Lara Trump pregnant. Magnificent.

  225. bespoke

    Is’t it nap time for you Kev?

  226. HP

    If you mention Clinton in the comments under an Epstein story in The Australian, the comment disappears nearly instantly… 🙂

  227. Arky

    Quote inverted Arky?

    ..
    Kinda, I put it in a separate post because IT was quoting someone who was correct in 2016 and I did not know how to embed a quote inside a quote without it getting more confusing.

  228. Top Ender

    Just posted under the Oz’s article on Epstein/Prince Andy et al the following:

    It will be interesting to see if attention moves on to Bill Clinton after this.

    Will the leftie moderators approve it?

  229. Bruce of Newcastle

    Big thunderstorm just arriving so I took my small camera out to try for a fine bird photo.

    First Mr Heron on the carport, but alas in five stills no lightning bolt in the background. The lightning just refused to cooperate.

    Then matriarch kooka arrived so heron made for the exit, since the kookas dive-bomb the herons. So I went for a kooka-plus-lightning pic several times. No luck.

    Those photographers who manage epic pics of lightning are amazing. Also they don’t use ancient $100 cameras.

  230. Top Ender

    And rejected!

    In record time – about three minutes.

    Will object to the chief moderator.

  231. thefrollickingmole

    and has been used as a smear because I put opinions here that are verboten.

    Its because you are a festering old monomaniac who has the personalty of a well rocked wombat.

    Car crash, employees, got to go…..

  232. HP

    Top Ender,
    Same here: Mention Clinton in the context of Epstein and you get same treatment as Amy Robach. *Quash*

  233. 8th Dan

    Kev
    I missed nothing
    Don’t let it bother you

  234. JC

    Did people know a huge number of German troops were sucking down crystal meth? That fucking army were Ice addicts.

  235. Nick

    Remember this guy.

    Premier Gladys Berejiklian and her fellow cabinet members will have “blood on their hands” because of their refusal to allow pill testing if someone dies at a music festival this summer.

    Or so says Tyson Koh, Keep Sydney Open organiser and candidate in the last state election, speaking at a rally to protest NSW drug laws on Saturday.

    Turns out he’s a producer at the ABC.

  236. Arky

    Honkers votes for democracy:
    ..

    Hong Kong’s election watchdog said about 71 percent of the 4.13 million citizens registered to vote had cast their ballots, far higher than the 47 percent who voted in the previous go-round in 2015, which was a record at the time.

    Results from 241 races tabulated early Monday by the South China Morning Post showed 201 pro-democracy candidates winning their races as opposed to just 28 pro-Beijing establishment candidates and 12 independents.

    District councils have long been dominated by the pro-Beijing establishment and voters seeking change expressed hope that weakening that grip would send a message to China and to Hong Kong’s unpopular Beijing-backed leader Carrie Lam.

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