Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. Arky

    Hong Kong’s election watchdog said about 71 percent of the 4.13 million citizens registered to vote had cast their ballots, far higher than the 47 percent who voted in the previous go-round in 2015, which was a record at the time.

    ..
    Let me just use some wangmatics to calculate that: it means 118 percent of citizens voted.

  2. stackja

    Will DL be SHY of sling and arrows?

  3. C.L.

    Will DL be SHY of sling and arrows?

    She’s not shy about unleashing a few herself, that’s for sure, Stack.
    It might be worth compiling a list of her nastier, more extreme comments.

  4. max

    Last week Paul Keating ripped into the Australian govt over it’s mismanagement of our relationship with China.

    So far this week we’ve heard:

    The independents have had a landslide win in Hong Kong,

    More details about oppression and the camps in Xinjiang,

    A Chinese/Australian who was promised funding to run as a Liberal candidate ended up dead.

    You might think Dutton is a dolt, but he hasn’t descended to the soiled depths of Keating, Hawke, Carr, Robb, Greiner, Dastyari and Andrews. How much longer can this be ignored ?

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is this you, BoN?

    No Shy Ted.
    I don’t speak Spanish. 😀

  6. Eyrie

    “Did people know a huge number of German troops were sucking down crystal meth? That fucking army were Ice addicts.”

    Worked pretty well for quite a while.

    The USAF uses uppers and downers on long ferry flights for fighters and tactical aircraft. Downer to relax between tankings when you take an upper a bit before in flight refuelling.

  7. Steve trickler

    Avi just posted this from Hong Kong in the last few minutes. Great reporting from the bloke.



  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Did people know a huge number of German troops were sucking down crystal meth? That fucking army were Ice addicts.

    Most of the players in Syria have been popping amphetamines like there’s no tomorrow.

    Meet Captagon, the nightmare drug fuelling Syria’s civil war (2017)

  9. Nick

    Lol, Regina ‘broom head’ Ip. One of the biggest of HK snakes.

  10. bespoke

    JC
    #1972116, posted on March 10, 2016 at 6:51 pm
    Gunner, you nimbus. Trump is at 4’s for a reason. He’s not going to win. Please remain silent on this stuff.

    Cheers Arky 😎

  11. johanna

    Yeah, speed in its various forms is magic in the short term. Trust me on this. 🙂

    But, the longer use goes on, the worse it gets.

    Hence, it is ideal for soldiers and airmen as a quick fix. I don’t see any problem there.

    As long as they don’t have a source of supply outside the military, and the use is short term, meh.

  12. Nick

    Those HK scenes are amazing. I love the Cantonese being used ‘go fuck your mother’. Lol
    Regina loves that theatre. She’s like a cat on a fence taunting dogs below. Trust me.

  13. mh

    Democrats are expecting success in 2020. But…

  14. John Constantine

    After a decade of Panzer Chocolate memes on the cat, JC finally scrolls up.

  15. Entropy

    Eyrie
    #3244577, posted on November 25, 2019 at 4:36 pm
    KD, I agree that electric cars are a solution insearch of a problem but check out the Tesla pickup the Cybertruck. At first i thought WTF? but it grows on you. Showed Mrs Eyrie who said ‘Wow, cool. cute, looks like a Mars rover!”. I think chicks will buy it. SiL staying with us for a week had same reaction

    Looks like the result of a cross breeding experiment between a delorean, a tractor and a Prius. But I am not expecting any hybrid vigour.

  16. MatrixTransform

    I am never out of my depth.

    shallow end … with Numpty

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    Those photographers who manage epic pics of lightning are amazing. Also they don’t use ancient $100 cameras.

    You have to leave the lens open BoN and let the lightning create the image. Very tricky in daylight, as exposure of more than a few seconds will flood the image and over exose everything. I have done some good lightning shots on dark, even then exposure of the surrounds creeps in. With a digital SLR you just keep opening the lens, shot after shot, until the lightning makes an imprint while it is open. Tripod and remote shutter release mandatory. Erase all the rubbish later.

  18. Colonel Crispin Berka

    The fine was absurd because nobody would believe that DL was stating a fact about SHY, only just slagging her off to give her a taste of her own medicine. He’s retweeted some sympathy:

    Bettina Arndt
    thebettinaarndt 1h
    Shocking that Hanson-Young won her defamation case. The Judge chose not to believe Leyonhjelm and Hinch’s recollection of Hanson’s comment about men being r__ists – which triggered Leyonhjelm’s response. Pathetic seeing powerful women playing victim.

    Yeah, well, that’s Arndt continuing her career of telling men what they want to hear. It glosses over whether anyone, let alone a Parliamentarian, should be drawn into base sniping no matter what provocation they’ve been given. How far would a # believeallmen campaign get, d’ya think?

    Reminds me of the “OK Boomer” incident in NZ about 2 weeks (?) ago. I looked all over for any recording or recounting of what exactly the provocative Nationals MP had said to the Greens luvvie to justify her ageist reply, but could not find a skerrick. We’re supposed to take her word for it that her reply was in-kind and commensurate. How would we know? But that’s a question the woke don’t need to answer. Apparently context doesn’t matter.

  19. egg_

    ignorant conformity that characteristics (sic) this site.

    Pettifogging pedantic pedant fails again!

    Numbers losing his marbles?
    Grigs would have a field day – he’d have to wipe his screen several times over and Mother would have to get out the hose again.

  20. Tailgunner

    When do you propose to lead your Deplorables in a rebellion against head office?

    It started today actually.
    ‘The Left hates the working man.
    Fuck ’em.’
    We’ll see if I can conjure a ready made street army for the revolution.
    Juicy Target.

  21. Tel

    Most of the players in Syria have been popping amphetamines like there’s no tomorrow.

    There’s a core group in Syria who learned a lot from the Germans, and they are not the radical I-lamist side of things either.

    https://www.defendevropa.com/2018/culture/nationalist-movements/a-look-at-the-syrian-social-nationalist-party-and-its-role-in-the-syrian-civil-war/

    Check out the flag, and their emblem with the eagle on top, and their history starting in the mid 1930’s, and their name “Social Nationalist” … I think you can figure out who they got their ideas from. These guys are well armed, and well organized and they currently profess loyalty to Assad but they also consider Assad a bit of a weakling, not brutal enough.

  22. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Results from 241 races tabulated early Monday by the South China Morning Post showed 201 pro-democracy candidates winning their races as opposed to just 28 pro-Beijing establishment candidates and 12 independents.

    poo bear I don’t think we’re in kansas anymore….

  23. 1735099

    Leigh Lowe
    #3244581, posted on November 25, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    It is spelt “soldering”.
    Like welding.
    You’re welcome.

    And you’re wrong.

    noun
    /ˈsəʊldʒə/
    verb
    gerund or present participle: soldiering

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    shot after shot

    GM – Add in a jumpy bird at 40 cm distance (kooka) with a whirring SLR mechanism and a flash. 😀

    Male magpie arrived just now, and even though the thunderstorm has passed he was very cautious. Normally he’d wander around my feet happily, but the danger register in their brains seems to be cumulative. With a bit of coaxing though he came over.

  25. Roger

    A Chinese journalist/researcher just stated on The Dumb that she talked to a CCP official who admitted they stuffed up their handling of Sam Dastyari.

    They should have waited until he was a minister in a Labor government before exercising their control over him.

    Paul Keating is unavailable for comment.

  26. JC

    Gunner

    I think I’ve asked the question before but can’t recall the answer. Are the regular grunt members .. rank file.. would they be Trump supporters if they could vote?

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    201 pro-democracy candidates winning their races as opposed to just 28 pro-Beijing establishment candidates and 12 independents

    Going to be much head-scratching in Beijing think tanks tonight.
    Maybe they should study the fall of the Berlin Wall and of the Soviet Union.
    Hint: repression will just turn your country into a larger North Korea.

  28. Boambee John

    Tailgunner
    #3244739, posted on November 25, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    When do you propose to lead your Deplorables in a rebellion against head office?

    It started today actually.
    ‘The Left hates the working man.
    Fuck ’em.’
    We’ll see if I can conjure a ready made street army for the revolution.
    Juicy Target.

    Good work, remember, “The workers, united, shall never be defeated”. United is the key word, keep your army of deplorables focussed!

  29. Fleeced

    “Did people know a huge number of German troops were sucking down crystal meth? That fucking army were Ice addicts.”

    Worked pretty well for quite a while.

    The USAF uses uppers and downers on long ferry flights for fighters and tactical aircraft. Downer to relax between tankings when you take an upper a bit before in flight refuelling.

    I mean, if you had something that worked with minimal side effects, the question would be why wouldn’t you?

  30. Arky

    It is spelt “soldering”.
    Like welding.
    You’re welcome.

    ..
    The hint was in the welding bit.
    Soldering. Welding.
    Geddit?
    No?
    Sad.

  31. Roger

    Another ethnic Chinese panellist on The Dumb concedes that every Chinese-Australian family of recent arrival has a family member working for the CCP.

  32. 1735099

    Its because you are a festering old monomaniac who has the personalty (sic) of a well rocked wombat.

    Sarah Hanson-Young’s successful action has got me thinking.
    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….

  33. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Plot twist!

    Derryn Hinch
    [HumanHeadline]
    Bettina Arndt getting it wrong again. I was a hostile witness called by Leyonhjelm. I supported SHY. The judge believed me.
    6:20 PM · Nov 25, 2019·

    Shame, shame Australia, shame.

  34. Arky

    I have my eye on you LL.
    From now on, expect some pretty heavy fact checking on your so- called “jokes”.

  35. Tel

    Soldering. Welding.
    Geddit?

    Americans pronounce it as “soddering” which sounds more exciting than it is.

  36. cohenite

    And the troll soldiers on despite having his head soldered to his arse.

  37. Mater

    Sarah Hanson-Young’s successful action has got me thinking.
    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….

    Now there’s a way to endear yourself to a blog site.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    US Navy Chief sends scathing resignation letter to Donald Trump after being sacked over Navy SEAL’s demotion

    LOL.

    He refused the CIC’s command, he got the boot.
    Now he’s unhappy.
    Suck it up kiddo.
    I’m fairly sure the rank and file will be on the side of CPO Gallagher.

    (Mr Spencer is an ex-Marine, which is a fine thing. It should’ve taught him about orders though.)

  39. Juan

    Alex Jones hits back at Sacha Baron Cohen

    Not up on YouTube yet, lol

    https://www.infowars.com/adl-launches-hostile-take-over-against-silicon-valleys-big-6/

    From your link:

    ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League … ‘

    He was speaking after receiving an ADL International Leadership Award; he wasn’t speaking for the ADL.

    Having the surname Cohen doesn’t make you a spokesperson for the Anti-Defamation League.

    Come on, it’s 2019 — aren’t we better than this?

  40. zyconoclast

    what could possibly go wrong…
    Chinese company to buy Dairy Farmers and other dairy icons for $600 million

    Melamine?

  41. Shy Ted

    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….
    So successful they built a statute of him for Toowoomba village square.

  42. Roger

    Going to be much head-scratching in Beijing think tanks tonight. Maybe they should study the fall of the Berlin Wall and of the Soviet Union. Hint: repression will just turn your country into a larger North Korea.

    Xi is no Gorbachev.

    He is Mao redivivus.

    His ‘Thought’ (Manifesto), extending CCP control over all facets of Chinese life, including every business entity, has been incorporated into the Chinese constitution.

  43. egg_

    So successful they built a statute of him for Toowoomba village square.

    Pigeons sh1tting on the seagull’s BIL’s statute?
    Da ironing!

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sarah Hanson-Young’s successful action has got me thinking.
    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….”

    Doomlord…where are you?

  45. Arky

    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….

    ..
    I always knew it would come to this… which is why I protected myself by cunningly making sure all my money is in Armadillo’s name.

  46. cohenite

    Like all the left the chinks are liars and hypocrites:

    T

    his is more Monty Python than Middle Kingdom
    Jennifer Oriel, The Australian November 25, 2019

    The problem with running a totalitarian state is that there’s no one to tell you when you’re making an ass of yourself. The Chinese Communist Party plumbed the depths of absurdity last week when its Canberra embassy lectured Australia on the meaning of truth after blacklisting politicians critical of the one-party state. Without any sense of irony, the embassy sought to enlighten us on the glorious liberty of the totalitarian project.
    The reason we cannot realise the totalitarian dream is our ­Mandarin illiteracy, apparently. Prepare to be re-educated.
    It has been a big fortnight for the CCP. It deployed troops to deal with Hong Kong’s democracy protests only to find the US had passed a bill to defend freedom in the city.
    The protests have been marred by such extreme violence that many people want peace restored, whatever the consequences.
    However, the problem of CCP interference in Hong Kong’s fragile polis remains unresolved. The party is concerned that demands for greater political independence could spill over into China’s other regions, including Taiwan and Tibet. But President Xi Jinping’s threat to crush the bodies of pro-democracy activists is hardly conducive to lasting peace.
    CCP newspaper China Daily published an article blaming the US for pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. The truth — that unrest was provoked by plans to allow extraditions from the city to mainland China — was lost in the revisionist piece. The article closed with a threat: “If Washington pushes the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act further towards becoming law, Beijing will have no choice but to respond with firm countermeasures.”
    Reading CCP propaganda makes for an amusing diversion, but only when you’re on the outside looking in. Although there is stiff competition from the fatwa diaries, the CCP is a reliable source of political humour. Its propaganda is increasing as the Chinese government grapples to reconcile the conflicting image of its economic liberalisation with the culture of Maoism. The totalitarian state enforces Maoist ideology while reaping the benefits of a capitalist economy. While the CCP bristles against Western colonisation, it acts as a neo-colonialist force in the South China Sea and developing world.
    It bemoans US isolationism under President Donald Trump yet bans Australian politicians who criticise the one-party state. It celebrates the China-first policy but smears Western politicians who defend their national interest as xenophobes….

  47. egg_

    Very messy. Essential mopping up operations may be ongoing.

    With 8 wangs – no wonder!

  48. zyconoclast

    Hate crimes are so rare that…

    Gay YouTuber Charged for False Report, Insists Story Is Real

    The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office today charged YouTuber Calum McSwiggan with one misdeameanor count of filing a false report of a criminal offense.

    McSwiggan, 26, maintained his innocence in a Facebook post published today, saying “just because there were no visible marks on my face does not mean I was not attacked.” McSwiggan claimed, “I only hurt myself to get out of the jail cell.”

    McSwiggan described feeling “heartbroken about the events and these have been the worst few days of my life.” He addressed the charge that his story about being attacked outside of a gay club was fabricated. “Many people are trying to discredit my story but this is the full and entire truth,” he wrote. McSwiggan claimed a man had flirted with him, lured him to a dark parking lot, then punched him in the mouth. “I blacked out quickly after this but remember being kicked in the body multiple times, I believe by all three men,” he wrote.

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….

    Is he a junior clerk at Sue, Grabbit & Runne ?

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League … ‘

    He was speaking after receiving an ADL International Leadership Award; he wasn’t speaking for the ADL.

    I should hope not. He shouldn’t’ve accepted the award either.

    The ADL is a Threat to J-ws (Daniel Greenfield, 28 Jan)

    Jonathan Greenblatt introduced the ADL’s Never is Now 2018 conference with a full-throated defense of George Soros. It was a strange decision for an organization that had once criticized the radical anti-Israel billionaire’s defenses of anti-Semitism. But under Greenblatt, a former Obama official, the ADL had turned sharply to the left and Never is Now, the ADL’s big shindig, was a disturbing demonstration.

    Greenblatt’s opening remarks at the December conference mentioned Soros twice and Israel only once.

    And he did not mention Israel to defend it, but to sell out the J-wish State in defense of Soros.

    “If your favorite politician is attacking George Soros,” the ADL boss warned, “you must stand up and tell them to stop. And do so even if they profess love for Israel up and down.”

    Israel was less important than Soros. And that’s not surprising coming from Greenblatt, who had formerly headed the Aspen Institute, which had received funding from Soros. Instead of standing up for Israel, Greenblatt was encouraging J-ws to pick fights with pro-Israel politicians if they insulted Soros.

    RTWT. I admire Mr Cohen but he has to extract himself from the Left.

  51. Rex Mango

    Parrot’s Beak #8

    The Parrot’s Beak lay prostrate across the Cambodian border
    Someone high up gave the order;
    ‘Spread the Beak across the ground, lay low the commie inflow’
    The Beak was a low triangular mound, covered in lush vegetation
    It penetrated well into Vietnam making it an ideal target for predation
    Overhead the B52 groaned, eight motors throbbing in unison
    I could hear the big bird, long and sleek
    Unload above the Parrot’s Beak
    I could feel the ground arching upwards at the explosive power
    Exhausted, I rolled over and was asleep within the hour

  52. zyconoclast

    That story was from 2016.

    Well before Jussie Smollet

  53. cohenite

    Mmm, the troll is going to take a leaf out of sarah sea patrol’s arse: so, who slut-shamed the troll?

  54. Juan

    Xi is no Gorbachev.

    He is Mao redivivus.

    But without the receding hairline. Has Ashley & Martin opened a Beijing clinic? 🤔

  55. Snoopy

    US Navy Chief sends scathing resignation letter to Donald Trump after being sacked over Navy SEAL’s demotion

    BR-S likely feeling somewhat wistful.

  56. Steve trickler

    For those that may have missed it. A very haunting and clever piece of work.

    The Somme filmed in modern times standing in the same spot the cameraman did in 1916. It is then overlaid with footage from the various locations filmed in the war. Eye opening, believe me.

    Remarkable 30 mins.

    Should be mandatory viewing in all schools

  57. Top Ender

    Blue Story is about two friends Timmy and Marco who become rivals in a vicious postcode war between Peckham and Deptford, both in south London.

    The pair were best friend who went to school together before their are drawn into a world with guns, knives and lost loves.

    So, obviously:

    Vue has pulled the gang film Blue Story from all its cinemas following a mass brawl involving machetes at a screening in Birmingham.

    A recorded message on the cinema answerphone says that the movie has been pulled, Birmingham Live reports.

    Since then, Showcase Cinemas said four of its venues won’t be showing the film.

    Seven police officers were injured after they were called to reports of 100 people – including youths and thugs with machetes – fighting in the entertainment complex Star City

    Modern Britain – you know it’s senseless….

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Depends how it’s phrased though

    TE – Richard Spencer didn’t like Trump pardoning Gallagher. He really didn’t like Trump reinstating Gallagher as CPO. And he really really didn’t like Trump intervening for CPO Gallagher to keep his trident.

    Which suggests to me Mr Spencer fell in with the Obama luvvies who promoted such things as the notorious Great Green Fleet. I could be wrong. But he refused CIC orders, so goodbye son.

  59. Rex Mango

    Great posting by Hazmatic at midnight. Drew together some different themes to make a very good point. Sadly, think it was lost on the PHD student.

  60. Tailgunner

    would they be Trump supporters if they could vote?
    I’m confident they would be.
    :Crosses fingers:

  61. Tailgunner

    Well before Jussie Smollet

    I reread the RvF thread on that a couple of weeks ago.
    Hahahaha, you gotta laugh!
    😆😆😆
    We’re living through the Greatest Timeline.
    Trump2020

  62. egg_

    The let’s make things up crew are about as evil as it gets.

    The architects of the raw data f1ddling, shirley, must face a court. Sooner or later.

    (STEM) Technocrats – in the Green scam up to their eyeballs.

  63. Juan

    ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League … ‘

    He was speaking after receiving an ADL International Leadership Award; he wasn’t speaking for the ADL.

    I should hope not.

    Then I trust we can all agree any news or opinion piece which starts with ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League,’ is highly suspect to the point of being totally discredited and shouldn’t be promoted or recommended by anyone here?

  64. Bruce of Newcastle

    Btw, just so you know, my eminent naval qualifications are several years in Sea Scouts without ever once being on actual water, and one weekend joint exercise with the RANR on a TRV…

  65. zyconoclast

    A 13-year-old girl is among five teenagers arrested over a mass brawl involving youths armed with machetes at a Birmingham cinema.

    Families were watching Frozen 2 at Star City when the disorder broke out late on Saturday afternoon, sparking a mass evacuation of the complex.

    Police said up to 100 teenagers were involved in the “major disorder”, where people were armed with machetes.

    “Dozens of officers were sent to the complex after a 999 call just after 5.30pm reporting a group of youths with machetes,” a spokesperson for West Midlands Police said.

    “Two machetes were seized during the trouble, which saw pockets of fighting and seven police officers left with minor injuries as they dealt with the crowds in and around the cinema.”

  66. bespoke

    Where is Armadillo?

    Doing something useful.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Somme filmed in modern times standing in the same spot the cameraman did in 1916. It is then overlaid with footage from the various locations filmed in the war. Eye opening, believe me.

    I’ve seen where the Newfoundlander’ s attacked on the first day – the access trenches to the front line were blocked with wounded and dead men, so the C.O. of the unit decided to launch the attack from the second line of trenches. The unit was almost annihilated before they reached their own front line, let alone the German wire. The memorial is a caribou, depicted bellowing in agony at the losses suffered. One of those sights.

  68. egg_

    I guess archeoastronomy (or whatever spelling) is star stuff on old ruins and the like.

    Maybe it is archaeogastronomy – or the study of eating food way beyond its ‘use by’ date.

    Is that how they painted cave walls – they invented spray painting?

  69. zyconoclast

    CoE deserves to die out. The sooner the better.

    Church of England teaching document calls for repentance over role of Christians in centuries of antis3mitism

    Christian theology played a part in the stereotyping and persecution of J00wish people which ultimately led to the H0l0caust, a new reflection on Christian-J00wish relations issued by the Church of England acknowledges.

  70. egg_

    The let’s make things up crew are about as evil as it gets.

    The architects of the raw data f1ddling, shirley, must face a court. Sooner or later.

    In the Gruen scam up to their eyeballs.

  71. Top Ender

    That’s OK Bruce, you got off lightly.

    My initial Sea Scout duties included being one of two “bowmen” who had to plunge into the icy Derwent as the whaler came up on the ramp, and stop it crashing into the submerged runners.

    It was duty always given to the newest patrol members.

    How I longed to be a seconder, who could give orders to the rest of the patrol, and NOT be one of the bowmen, EVER.

  72. zyconoclast

    Top Ender
    #3244792, posted on November 25, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    9 minutes is a long time.

  73. bespoke

    I’m not repenting for something I didn’t do.

  74. egg_

    Their Bureau of Manufactured weather putting out rubbery figures?
    I’m shocked, I tells ya!
    /Rabz principle.

  75. mh

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3244784, posted on November 25, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    Great research, BoN.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    Then I trust we can all agree any news or opinion piece which starts with ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League,’ is highly suspect to the point of being totally discredited and shouldn’t be promoted or recommended by anyone here?

    Except that no way SBC should have accepted an award of any sort from the ADL.
    Mr Cohen has moderate case of TDS though.
    Which he needs to get over if he wants to stay in comedy.
    The Left can no longer do comedy.

    Although SNL did apparently manage a slight spurt of it last weekend.

    ‘SNL’ Democrat debate recap loaded with special guests, Hilarious one-liners

    In a genuinely laugh-out-loud funny “Saturday Night Live” skit, an all-star cast of characters portrayed the 2020 Democrat candidates on the debate stage.

    Yep, as one commenter (not me) says: “If the ‘rats have lost SNL, they’ve lost the election.”

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How I longed to be a seconder, who could give orders to the rest of the patrol, and NOT be one of the bowmen, EVER.

    That’s how Captain Bligh got started…

  78. candy

    “Sarah Hanson-Young’s successful action has got me thinking.
    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….”

    Doomlord…where are you?

    Busy banning, None, I expect.

  79. Mater

    Sacha Baron Cohen

    That reminded me of his appearance on the Today Show. Hilarious.
    I bet they regretted having him on.

    https://youtu.be/8mMPqbqmTg8

  80. Davey Boy

    Having made a written submission to the the Senate Inquiry into the provisions of the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019, aka $10k cash transaction limit, below in italics is the response I have just received.

    There is so much wrong with the response, where do you start? Such as – who decides what “represent(s) the recurring views expressed by submitters”? And what about any unique valid point that a single person has made in their submission, just because no one else made it, no guernsey for you. Nor does the linked page (provided in their response) go anywhere near identifying what these “recurring views” actually are. The process reeks.

    Previous Senate inquiries have published all submissions, why not this time? No transparency whatsoever.

    THE SENATE
    Economics Legislation Committee

    25 November 2019
    By email:

    Dear Submitter
    Inquiry into the provisions of the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019

    Thank you for your submission to the Senate Economics Legislation Committee’s inquiry into the provisions of the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019. The committee has accepted it as correspondence.
    Following the call for submissions to the inquiry, the committee accepted a significant amount of submissions as correspondence from individuals across the country.
    Over 2,600 items of correspondence, both electronically and in hard copy, were received. Due to the large number, the committee has decided not to publish every item it received on its website. Instead, the committee will publish a selection which represent the recurring views expressed by submitters.
    Your submission was not selected as part of this sample; however, if you wish to see the views of others, or continue to follow the progress of this inquiry, please visit the committee’s dedicated website here.
    The committee’s final report is due to be tabled in the Senate on 7 February 2020, and will be available on the committee’s website at that time.
    Thank you again for your participation in this inquiry.
    Yours sincerely

    Mr Mark Fitt
    Committee Secretary

  81. mh

    The naivety is strong here

    Then I trust we can all agree any news or opinion piece which starts with ‘Sacha Baron Cohen, speaking for the Anti-Defamation League,’ is highly suspect to the point of being totally discredited and shouldn’t be promoted or recommended by anyone here?

  82. Rex Mango

    4Corners doing big puff piece in support of Tracey Spicer & #metoo. The workplaces they are describing are cartoonish, then they are interviewing construction workers who say porn is part of the job etc. Conclusion 10 minutes into show; Australian women are copping horrendous amounts of sexism in the workplace.

  83. bespoke

    If he is candy that puts her? in the same league as Rae/grigs….

    Think about that.

  84. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Davey Boy
    >> who decides what “represent(s) the recurring views expressed by submitters”?

    Sounds like abcroturfing.

    (Hooray! Really, how often do I actually get to use my new word?)

  85. Rex Mango

    They are running a course on Sexual Harassment at Griffith Uni and hot chick running course asks the group this question; ‘Women should feel flattered when receiving compliments on their physical appearance from men they don’t know’ Yes, no, unsure? They waffled, went to the law and then still couldn’t give a straight answer. Typical.

  86. Juan

    CoE deserves to die out. The sooner the better.

    Church of England teaching document calls for repentance over role of Christians in centuries of antis3mitism

    Christian theology played a part in the stereotyping and persecution of J00wish people which ultimately led to the H0l0caust, a new reflection on Christian-J00wish relations issued by the Church of England acknowledges.

    While most of the Lutheran churches have taken welcome steps to denounce Martin Luther’s antis3mism, I think the right thing to do would be for them to drop any reference to Luther’s name from theirs.

    Luther, like all mortals, had both good and bad ideas. The Lutherans can honour his good ideas, which they hold as seminal to their church, without necessarily honouring the man who also held utterly repugnant views which they now rightly repudiate.

    It’s not a question of erasing history. It’s a question of what this church wants to be: a church of the Book of Concord; or the church of a flawed man.

  87. JC

    This has to be a sly dig against him, surely. In the oz.

    Russell Crowe has returned home to Australia to inspect his palatial 320-hectare property in Nana Glen, west of Coffs Harbour, after a catastrophic bushfire came within metres of engulfing the Hollywood heavyweight’s home on November 14.

  88. 1735099

    Now there’s a way to endear yourself to a blog site.

    “Endear” – to this site?
    Couldn’t imagine anything worse.
    I’d rather be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump.

  89. Rex Mango

    4Cornes is describing workplaces that don’t exist, with a couple of examples of women getting sent porn at work. Having worked >20yrs in female friendly workplaces, I could deliver dozens of horror stories about inbuilt sexism against men in the modern workplace. It is completely insidious and accepted by all blokes as par for the course.

  90. JC

    And the leftwing punishment continues.

    Victoria threatens Westpac contract

    Under-fire lender Westpac could lose banking contract worth hundreds of millions from Victoria’s Andrews government.

  91. Rex Mango

    Numbers, how old was that Vietnamese bloke you met in 2008 over there?

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    They are running a course on Sexual Harassment at Griffith Uni and hot chick running course asks the group this question; ‘Women should feel flattered when receiving compliments on their physical appearance from men they don’t know’ Yes, no, unsure? They waffled, went to the law and then still couldn’t give a straight answer. Typical.

    On such things, I’m amused and disgusted that Swedish plod have dropped charges against Assange after causing him seven years of torture because of one snowflake lefty chick. Cute. You can see why Sweden worked so comfortably with the Nazis.

  93. Mater

    OK, own up! Who broke Bob?

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Endear” – to this site?
    Couldn’t imagine anything worse.
    I’d rather be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump.

    This site owns you, lock, stock, and barrel.

  95. Rex Mango

    BoN, I was annoyed the Swedes dropped those charges too. The Assange sexual assault trial would have been far more entertaining than his espionage one in the USA.

  96. Rex Mango

    Spicer on stage now at one of those women empowerment forums, with hundreds of clapping women in the audience and overuse of the word ‘survivor’.

  97. Rex Mango

    Spicer ‘we really are now at a cultural tipping point’.

  98. Rex Mango

    Media Watch attacking the pollies who failed to link climate change to the fire crisis and of course they now turn to those fire chiefs who made a lot of noise.

  99. Billy P

    Sorry, I’m late to the Caticionary comments.
    God’s work indeed.
    I’d love to see a crossword made out of it.

  100. Frank

    The USAF uses uppers and downers on long ferry flights for fighters and tactical aircraft. Downer to relax between tankings when you take an upper a bit before in flight refuelling.

    I think Modafinil is the new kid on the block in that regard, keeps you awake without getting twitchy and less chance of the psychotic breaks to go with the nuclear armed weaponry. Academics are apparently pretty fond of it also–made in China no less–since it increases alertness and lets you work for longer. Sleep optional.

  101. Rex Mango

    Man caused climate change theory is now proved according to Media Watch by an increase in ‘extreme fire days’ in Australia. Talk about measuring proxies, that is ridiculous.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle

    While most of the Lutheran churches have taken welcome steps to denounce Martin Luther’s antis3mism, I think the right thing to do would be for them to drop any reference to Luther’s name from theirs.

    Juan – I’ve not read anything about Luther being antisemitic. Although it was a problem at the time in Europe (and is again today).

    However it does surprise me since Luther’s eureka moment was about the letter to the Romans, especially Rom 1:16-17.

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the J-w, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

    And in the very next chapter Romans 2:9-11 says this:

    9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the J-w, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the J-w, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

    That all seems pretty clear to me. God’s chosen people have a honoured place.

    (I attend a Reformed church, and as far as I can tell I have no J-wish heritage.)

  103. egg_

    failed to link climate change to the fire crisis

    We’re 7 metres from the last Interglacial peak sea level – note, Robyn 100m Williams – about the zenith of water in the water cycle, retard – it’s the ENSO causing the drying!

  104. Boambee John

    Rex Mango
    #3244847, posted on November 25, 2019 at 9:22 pm
    Media Watch attacking the pollies who failed to link climate change to the fire crisis and of course they now turn to those fire chiefs who made a lot of noise.

    Would thosecbe the fire chiefs on whose watches inadequate hazard reduction took place because of excessive bureaucracy, which they seem not to have (at least in their current public babble) opposed?

  105. Rex Mango

    BoN, I remember reading somewhere that Luther was very anti-semitic, but was par for the course back then.

  106. Juan

    Great research, BoN.


    It’s curious you used the word “research” to describe Bruce’s uncovering of this blogpost because it hints at just how peripheral and obscure it is.

    While Daniel Greenfield is entitled to his views they are decidedly on the outer within his own community.

    I would rather defer to his community’s view of the work the ADL does fighting antis3mitism in the United States; rather than Daniel Greenfield.

  107. MatrixTransform

    quite successful plaintiff lawyer

    and BIL says,”what? Are you serious? You spend every day trying to wind these people up with outrageous gibber and nasty broad insults interspersed with some very pointed disturbing stuff … and for years.”

    “but they make fun of me”, says the Numpturd.

    “So lemme get this straight, you now want to sue because they give you shit back? … are you retarded? Now fuck of an write yr thesis”

    🙂

  108. Rex Mango

    Media Watch was practically just an entire climate change attack advertisement, paid for with your taxes.

  109. egg_

    Would thosecbe the fire chiefs on whose watches inadequate hazard reduction took place because of excessive bureaucracy, which they seem not to have (at least in their current public babble) opposed?

    Stocks and a public flogging would be too good for them.
    One such @rsehole is flogging a book on climate change and fire.

  110. Rex Mango

    Didn’t Oscar Wilde sue for defamation?

  111. cohenite

    It’s a month old but the great Mark Latham scorns the weak-arsed nsw libs and the strangle-hold the green filth has on them in respect of energy. This speech, about 3 minutes was made before the idiot nsw environment minister, some cuck, threw $100 mill at a new Dubbo renewable precinct with a commitment of about $15 bill more for nothing:

    https://www.facebook.com/MarkLathamsOutsiders/videos/2405688759698298/

  112. mh

    “Endear” – to this site?
    Couldn’t imagine anything worse.
    I’d rather be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump.

    Numbers, how about the Trump Tower elevator with Don and the Brexit boys?

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Didn’t Oscar Wilde sue for defamation?

    My understanding is yes, he did, and didn’t that backfire badly.

  114. Megan

    OK, own up! Who broke Bob?

    Yes, do. I’d like to send you a medal and arrange a march past.

  115. egg_

    NSW Environment Minister, Sum Cuck, threw $100 mill at a new Dubbo renewable precinct with a commitment of about $15 bill more for nothing:

    https://www.facebook.com/MarkLathamsOutsiders/videos/2405688759698298/

    FTFY

  116. feelthebern

    Breaking news:
    The babies died in Logan because of government cut backs.
    Janine Perrott said so on PM Live.

  117. Muddy

    Davey Boy
    #3244818, posted on November 25, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Interesting. I cannot add anything, but thanks for posting.

  118. Juan

    BoN, I remember reading somewhere that Luther was very anti-semitic, but was par for the course back then.


    I think he was a bit extreme even for his own age, but read this for yourself and decide.

    What matters more is what effect did his words have. When some of the most evil men of history cited Luther [extensive quotes here] to justify genocide, if you’re the Lutheran church, you have a problem.

  119. Juan

    Great research, BoN.


    It’s telling how you used the word “research” to describe Bruce’s uncovering of this blogpost because it hints at just how peripheral and obscure it is.

    While Daniel Greenfield is entitled to his views they are decidedly on the outer within his own community.

    I would rather defer to his community’s view of the work the ADL does fighting antis3mitism in the United States; rather than Daniel Greenfield.

  120. egg_

    the Cultural Competency comp which seems to be Dark Emu with pictures of happy little blackfellas waiting for high speed rail to take them to their jobs in the city

    Has the author been watching The Flintstones on psychedelic drugs?

  121. 1735099

    How old was that Vietnamese bloke..

    Which one?
    I met quite a few.
    But my trips back were in 2006 and 2007, not 2008.
    First time with my sons; second time with my wife and daughters.

  122. Top Ender

    Strange group of incompetent musicians who make weird gestures with their fingers get gig cancelled

    Or as the ABC put it:

    Popular YouTube rappers OneFour forced to cancel first national tour dates following police pressure

  123. zyconoclast

    Have gyms become unsafe spaces?

    Examples of gym harassment include being stared at, sexually suggestive comments and inappropriate touching, with numerous examples posted on social media.

    But what’s behind this kind of harassment? And is it leading to women changing their behaviour or even quitting the gym?

    Maybe more of this

    and

    less of this

  124. Mark A

    Top Ender
    #3244926, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:09 pm

    Strange group of incompetent musicians who make weird gestures with their fingers get gig cancelled

    I simply have to get out more.
    Missing out on all these “Popular YouTube rappers” and such.
    Never heard of them.

  125. jo

    I think armadillo is a victim of arkycide.

  126. Mark A

    zyconoclast
    #3244932, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    Have gyms become unsafe spaces?

    Examples of gym harassment include being stared at, sexually suggestive comments and inappropriate touching, with numerous examples posted on social media.

    Strange isn’t it, they dress to kill and being noticed, but when acknowledged they don’t like it.

    Sure there are some di..heads in most gyms we had a few of both sexes but I wouldn’t say it’s wide spread and they get the boot quick smart.

  127. Mark A

    jo
    #3244940, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    I think armadillo is a victim of arkycide.

    He has standards, not very high I admit, after all he is a bookie.
    I miss him and Pedro too.

  128. Arky

    armadillo is a victim of arkycide.

    ..
    No one asked him to poke his nose into my private island real estate sex ring charity political fundraiser.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I miss him and Pedro too.

    Pedro was good value.

  130. zyconoclast

    Isn’t this just dose related? The same amount of vaccine gets diluted over a bigger body?

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says flu season is starting to ramp up — and it’s not too late to reduce your risk with a vaccine.

    But scientists have come to realize that flu vaccines are less effective for people who are overweight or obese. Considering that excess weight affects more than two-thirds of the U.S. adult population, that’s a significant shortcoming.

  131. Juan

    I attend a Reformed church

    A Lutheran church? Interesting! And, if so, please don’t think anything I wrote was an attack on Lutherans. Generally wonderful people. It’s one aspect of one man I have a problem with.

    I often walk past the Martin Luther Kirche on Goulburn Street in Sydney. I believe it still has a German congregation. From memory there is a sign promoting an Asian congregation which meets there now as well. Sign of the times, I guess.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Doesn’t matter who the parties are.
    This was a stupid case that needs to be appealed.

    I agree, but that will be expensive. How will DL go with crowd-funding? I’d throw him $50 but how many others would? My view is that he was stupid in continuing to bait her, but that she asked for it in many ways by a long history of baiting others. When it comes to politicians, the idea of any ‘defamation’ by the words of politicians on the other side becomes extremely suspect.

    The monetary payout is the most objectionable part of it, whether it goes to charity or not.
    It is still lawfare against DL. The court could have found against him, given her a peppercorn amount and said each side was responsible for their own costs. That would have been justice of sorts.

  133. John Constantine

    https://www.100dailynews.com/george-bailey-all-set-to-be-australias-new-nationwide-selector/

    Former limited-overs captain George Bailey is ready to be Australia’s new nationwide selector alongside facet coach Justin Langer and chairman Trevor Hohns, in line with a report.

    Gorgeous news.

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In the change room at the pool yesterday after my swim and standing mostly naked I wondered what I’d do if a full-on dick-waving trannie walked in. I’d probably manage, but my daughter might not. Most women would want to change then in the toilet cubicle, which can be awkward and unhygienic. I had a brainwave. Change rooms could provide a little three sided aluminium fold-up screen (like the washing lines you buy). Girls could grab one and put it up around the wall-bench they were facing to get changed if they felt threatened. A money-making idea for some entrepreneur in the US where these things have gone further in schools than they have here?

  135. Arky

    In the change room at the pool yesterday after my swim and standing mostly naked I wondered what I’d do if a full-on dick-waving trannie walked in.

    ..
    It is an awful prospect.
    There must be some way we can warn the trannies.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    New builds in the future will probably have change-rooms with no common shared areas, just cubicles. So my idea has limited longevity as it relies on the lunacy of shared changerooms continuing and on common shared areas in changerooms not being phased out.

    When I am tired after a hard day I do sometimes get excellent entrepreneurial ideas.
    Not all of them work in the cold light of reason. 🙂

  137. Mark A

    Arky
    #3244983, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    In the change room at the pool yesterday after my swim and standing mostly naked I wondered what I’d do if a full-on dick-waving trannie walked in.

    ..

    It is an awful prospect.
    There must be some way we can warn the trannies.

    Oww you are awful, but I like you.

  138. Arky

    Imagine if some poor tranvestite walked in on Delta and Lizzie.
    The trauma of seeing a one-legged centenarian and a ninety year old with more perky boobs than itself naked would scare the poor bastard stupid.

  139. John Constantine

    https://www.stockjournal.com.au/story/6510828/productivity-death-knell-feared-for-remote-communities/?src=rss

    “This must bring the integrity of the Productivity Commission in delivering quality advice into question, because its proposals will do nothing more than further depopulate rural areas and the towns that service them,

    Rewilding and the Clearances.

    Comrades.

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is an awful prospect.

    Arky, you’ve seen the spa pics. There’s nothing to fear. 🙂

    The trannies can take their chances with me, but they can keep right away from my daughter and her two darling little girls.

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How will DL go with crowd-funding? I’d throw him $50 but how many others would?

    For whatever reason, I don’t have much time for the man, but I detest Hanson Young. I’d contribute to a fighting fund for an appeal.

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, you two usual reprobates at managing to cheer me up.
    So you are good for something after all. 🙂

  143. DrBeauGan

    I gave up on the sixty minutes video, zippy. There was about five minutes of actual information and fifty-five of padding, and that’s being kind. Those presenters are so far up themselves they are unendurable. And they are half-witted, if that.

  144. Arky

    I had a traumatic walking in on naked person incident.
    The missus and I were at one of her friend’s houses years ago when we first started going out. I had to use the bathroom.
    Walked in on the friend’s younger sister standing buck naked brushing her hair in front of the mirror.
    A furore ensued.
    Still to this day when she wants to meet Allie or mentions her, I pretend not to remember her, then say: “Is she the one with the naked sister”?

  145. EvilElvis

    In the change room at the pool yesterday after my swim and standing mostly naked I wondered what I’d do if a full-on dick-waving trannie walked in.

    Have you told Hairy about this fantasy, Lizzie?

  146. John Constantine

    If Australia is to be subjected to a Mexico style civil war, but with Litigation cartels instead of drug cartels and lawfare for punitive damages:

    Remind me again if dead men can sue for Hate Speech feelings hurt?.

    At Mexican rates of civil war slaughter, the price for a baseball batting would start coming in at under the cost of an hours court time. [even cheaper just to dob them in to the chicoms as an informant.]

    Free market in action.

    Comrades.

  147. Rex Mango

    Sydney putting on great lightning show right now if you look north. Pretty much end of the bushfire emergency as humidity quite high now, as is normally case at this time of year.

  148. Infidel Tiger

    Trannies and naked grannies.

    This is why I stay away from all public pools.

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    .. are managing

    Gawd, I’m tired, bath and bed time, in spite of Arky and Mark’s best efforts.
    Hope Delta is as sanguine about her age as I am about mine.
    Oldies are goodies. A wooden leg is also a sign of a life still being well-lived.
    A friend of mine has a wooden leg, and she does major walking tours in Europe.

    See y’all.

  150. mh

    I admire Mr Cohen but he has to extract himself from the Left.

    Bruce, what do you admire about Sacha Baron Cohen?

    To me he is an entertainer that believes he has a superior intellect, who supports the Left. And smug.

    There is a long list of similar types from the UK.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Woman complains she had to walk past a URINAL to reach a cubicle in a ‘gender neutral’ toilet at a country house art gallery – as visitors criticise the ‘disgusting’ set-up

    Linda Grant, from Liverpool, slammed the Charleston Trust’s bathroom online
    Women who wanted to use bathroom would have to walk past huge urinal
    The ‘gender neutral’ toilet in the property in Sussex caused outrage online
    Twitter users were shocked over the bathroom, with some calling it ‘mad’

    Daily Mail.

  152. Arky

    Not only do trannies risk seeing ancient boobs perkier than their own, but also a damn good thrashing with a wooden leg.

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thunder tumbling over South Head right now.

    Naked granny signing off this minute.
    You’re safe now guys. 🙂

  154. JC:

    Did people know a huge number of German troops were sucking down crystal meth? That fucking army were Ice addicts.

    Yes – most troops/airmen etc were, in WW2.
    Pervetin – its use was widespread by Germany. The original Blitzkrieg against Poland and France/Belgium/Holland was largely fueled by drugged up soldiers and transport drivers.
    Interestingly enough, the rise of the Nazis was fueled by the hedonism and excesses of the Wiemar Republic. Hitler was able to tap into the middle class resentment of aggressive homosexuality, cocaine and other drug abuse, and other deviant lifestyles to gain popularity.

  155. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3244995, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    How will DL go with crowd-funding? I’d throw him $50 but how many others would?

    For whatever reason, I don’t have much time for the man, but I detest Hanson Young. I’d contribute to a fighting fund for an appeal.

    Same here ZK don’t like politicians in general, even if I wanted to be one in the distant past best forgotten, but I particularly taken a dislike to DL and that other hopeless one TWn None got banned about.

  156. Zyconoclast

    Tuscan convent shut after nun falls in love with local man and is told to leave

    PICTURESQUE 17th-century convent in the Tuscan hills has had to shut its doors only four years after reopening, due to an impossible “love story”.

    The reason for the sudden closure is reported to be because a 40-year-old nun fell in love with a local man, and was obliged to leave the convent.

    This left only three other nuns at the monastery – an 80-year-old and two novices – who would not be able to keep up with the work started by Sister Maria, La Repubblica reported.

  157. MatrixTransform

    A friend of mine has a wooden leg, and she does major walking tours in Europe.

    prolly best to do it in Europe what with the bush fires and humidity in NSW.

    termites are an issue too

  158. Juan

    How will DL go with crowd-funding? I’d throw him $50 but how many others would?

    For whatever reason, I don’t have much time for the man, but I detest Hanson Young. I’d contribute to a fighting fund for an appeal.

    Perhaps it’s a shame there’s no option to switch donations. There might be a few people — especially in the bush — who, after his musings on the cause of the bushfires, might want their Israel Folau donations to go to some other worthy champion of free speech. And say what you will about David Leyonhjelm — his record on free speech speaks (no pun intended) for itself.

  159. max:

    You might think Dutton is a dolt, but he hasn’t descended to the soiled depths of Keating, Hawke, Carr, Robb, Greiner, Dastyari and Andrews. How much longer can this be ignored ?

    Australia is at that awkward stage…

  160. Rex Mango

    With this explosion in defamation cases, I remember a judge telling me long ago that politics would come to a halt if they sued each other for defamation.

  161. Rex Mango

    Winston, yes there is a serious problem with a long and distinguished list, who all no doubt will soon be on, or already have been party to Queen’s Birthday Honours List.

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I’d rather be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump.’

    Who would kick your arse all over the walls before you could say ‘Fatty 5D’, you prima donna lightweight.

    When the fireys got you out you’d be singing his praises. Bit hard to hide in a lift. No projector/steno jobs.

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….’

    Not going to do your own pro bono work then?

    C’mon, spit it out. Don’t just leave an imputation hanging in the air……

  164. MatrixTransform

    Women who wanted to use bathroom would have to walk past huge a urinal

    dumb shielas and administrators never stopped to wonder why humanity devised both troughs and porcelain pits for the mensys?

    Fellas, make sure you take all the time you need to make perfect aim.
    Allow for wind.
    Calibrate for distance
    stand ready for the split-stream of doom

    …like a mate of mine used to say, ‘sometimes I p!ss outta one of my d!cks … sometimes I p1ss outta both!’

    go on boys , ready, aim, fire … oops

    this gibber will end soon enough.

  165. John Constantine

    http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html

    And here is where Dick speaks the famous line.

    DICK.
    The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.

    The audience must have doubled over in laughter at this. Far from “eliminating those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution” or portraying lawyers as “guardians of independent thinking”, it’s offered as the best feature imagined of yet for utopia. It’s hilarious. A very rough and simplistic modern translation would be “When I’m the King, there’ll be two cars in every garage, and a chicken in every pot” “AND NO LAWYERS”. It’s a clearly lawyer-bashing joke. This is further supported by the dialogue just afterwards (which is actually quite funny even now, and must have been hilarious when the idiom was contemporary):

    DICK.
    The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.

    JACK CADE.
    Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o’er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings: but I say, ’tis the bee’s wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.- How now! who’s there?

    He might just as well have been describing “shrink-wrap” software licensing agreements today in the last sentence. To understand what Cade is saying here, you have to know that documents of the time were likely parchment, and sealed with wax. So when he says “Some say the bees stings; but I say, ’tis the bee’s wax”. he’s making an ironic comment somewhat akin to “Some men rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen”. And the fact that he himself is an evil man only serves to heighten the irony, not discredit the sentiment

  166. Rex Mango

    Someone posted this link earlier, but yeah what I am seeing too. Active wear is becoming lingerie:

    https://www.bombshellsportswear.com

  167. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Have you told Hairy about this fantasy, Lizzie?

    Nope. When we get to sharing bedroom musings, that bird won’t fly.

  168. Juan

    A friend of mine has a wooden leg, and she does major walking tours in Europe.

    prolly best to do it in Europe what with the bush fires and humidity in NSW.


    termites are an issue too

    When I was a wee lad I remember being told Sir Roden Cutler had a “wooden leg” just before he was about to give a speech. I sat there expectantly waiting for him to clop across the stage to the lectern like Long John Silver. Alas, I was disappointed.

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking, for Cats with an interest in military history. Robert Forczyk’s book “Case White – The Invasion of Poland” makes top reading. The notions that the Germans destroyed the Polish Air Force at the beginning of the war, that Polish military doctrine was outdated and foolish, and the Polish armed forces were equipped with obsolete are pretty well disabused. The Polish Air Force was in the fight, until the Soviet invasion, and the Polish Army was well equipped with modern weapons – the Poles had more tanks then the British and the campaign wasn’t quite the walkover it was often portrayed as. Good reading.

  170. Rex Mango

    Juan, am a big believer in lingerie if it empowers women. Active wear right now is doing great things for the feminist cause.

  171. MatrixTransform

    Down with yoga pants!

  172. Rex Mango

    Nothing on but documentaries on SBS called Vikings.

  173. Juan

    The Polish Air Force was in the fight, until the Soviet invasion, and the Polish Army was well equipped with modern weapons – the Poles had more tanks then the British and the campaign wasn’t quite the walkover it was often portrayed as.

    The Poles also expected an attack by Britain and France on Germany’s Western Front, which would have been of great assistance.

    Instead all they got were words (i.e. declarations of war on 3 September 1939) and moral support.

  174. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3244832, posted on November 25, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    Couldn’t imagine anything worse.
    I’d rather be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump

    Nothing to worry about.
    Donald is taking the stairs now he has heard you might be in the lift.

  175. Juan

    Juan, am a big believer in lingerie if it empowers women.

    Just bear in mind the old adage: “Where underwear goes, swimwear follows.”

  176. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Instead all they got were words (i.e. declarations of war on 3 September 1939) and moral support.

    The Poles also got to watch the Western Allies sell out their interests, during the war,to maintain good relations with Stalin. The Soviet invasion of Poland, and the Katyn Forest massacre were all blithely ignored by the Americans and British.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Rex Mango

    #3244821, posted on November 25, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    4Corners doing big puff piece in support of Tracey Spicer & #metoo. The workplaces they are describing are cartoonish, then they are interviewing construction workers who say porn is part of the job etc. Conclusion 10 minutes into show; Australian women are copping horrendous amounts of sexism in the workplace.

    Let me guess.
    Heavy on “culture”, “vibe” and “feelz” and light on those red-hot cast iron bankable convictable allegations that Dick Tracey-Spicerack has been promising for so long?

  178. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The book has a picture of President Lech Walesa, farewelling the last Soviet soldiers to leave Poland – in September, 1993. “Fuck off, you Russian bastards, and we don’t ever want to see you back.” (No, he didn’t say that..)

  179. Bruce O’Newk:

    Which suggests to me Mr Spencer fell in with the Obama luvvies who promoted such things as the notorious Great Green Fleet. I could be wrong. But he refused CIC orders, so goodbye son.

    It’s going to take all of President Trumps two terms, + President Pence’s 2 to get rid of the damage from President O’Bamas term.

  180. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, if truth be told, they had a girl of Asian ethnicity who got obscene texts and some porn from a workmate after some work booze up. Pretty much the extent of their story. Another girl as well was complaining about what she copped. Schoolyard tales pretty much.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    Tracey Spice-Rack was going to bring down some big names, Rex.
    Any big names named?

  182. Rex Mango

    Just saw on SBS a govt advert advising people about how to deal with the new $3B Light Rail (there is another one to Lillyfield that no-one seems to care about) and a tranny (amongst other hipsters) advises not to get your heels caught in the track.

  183. Leigh Lowe

    How will DL go with crowd-funding? I’d throw him $50 but how many others would?

    Yeah, nah.
    After his “Generation of Parasites” post here the other day about a generation of hard-working Australians he can go fuck himself sideways.
    I don’t care for Dugong-Young, but Lyin-Hole is an equally large xunt.

  184. Rex Mango

    No big names at all. Just the general vibes that Australian men are sexist pigs.

  185. Hazmatic

    Boambee John
    #3244235, posted on November 25, 2019 at 9:18 am
    Hazmatic at 1201

    The horrendous fate of the 2/21st has been unfortunately ignored.

    Not entirely. The made for TV film Blood Oath covered the Laha and other murders and the post-war trials and execution of various Japanese. IIRC, one was executed for killing captured aircrew.

    True BJ.

    The film’s director claimed that ‘Blood Oath’ would have been better had the writers been more accurate as the truth was more interesting. I made an identical criticism for the recent film treatment of the battle of Long Tan.

    My criticism is of the film not of the Australian conduct of one of the Australian Task Force’s land mark battles. I have also previously made the point that the leader of the fight into another 1ATF land mark Battle at Binh Ba in 1969 was the most highly decorated Nasho of the war. Brian Sullivan who made his home in Toowoomba. A fact that tends to destroy the little lawn mower that couldn’t narrative set forth in this place and elsewhere…

    National Service Officer graduates of Scheyville automatically volunteered for Vietnam service and provided the junior leadership spine of the 1ATF. The commitment of a Brigade sized task force would not have been possible without them. Additionally, the hundreds of ex-British Army volunteer NCO’s and junior officers were a critical component of the Task Force and also the Divisions worth of NCO’s and Officers that made up the AATTV. The Australian ‘Rescorla’ contingent. Another important and often overlooked source of manpower was the Citizens Military Forces (CMF). The Vietnam war effectively killed the CMF. A public perception developed that the CMF was a refuge for “draft dodgers”. This entirely ignores the efforts of the many part time soldiers who volunteered for full time duty in Vietnam. Possibly the most famous South Australian Soldier of the post war era was Len Opie a CMF officer who had 3 tours of Vietnam with AATTV. For those interested in the truth of the Australian participation in the ‘Phoenix Program’ Andrew Faulkner’s ‘Stone Cold: The extraordinary story of Len Opie, Australia’s deadliest soldier’ is a good starting point.

    However, it is the story of another CMF soldier Terry Egan who distinguished himself during the Battle of Hue in Tet in 1968 that deserves retelling. Egan and Sullivan were Toowoomba’s most highly decorated Vietnam Veterans. These ‘home town’ stories won’t be told if I do not tell them because they do not fit the narrative…

    Egan’s citation for the Distinguished Service Medal reads as follows:

    After 11 years’ service in the Citizen Military Forces, Warrant Officer Egan volunteered to serve on full time duty and joined the Australian Army Training Team in Vietnam in September 1967. He was appointed Senior Advisor to the 1st Division Reconnaissance Company Army of the Republic of Vietnam.

    On the night of 30 January when the enemy began his attack on the City of Hue, Warrant Officer Egan and a platoon of the Reconnaissance Company were on operations about five miles south west of the City, on one of the main enemy approach routes. It was not possible to extricate this small force by helicopter and the platoon was forced to fight its way back into the City on foot, via a circuitous route. Warrant Officer Egan’s outstanding leadership and disregard for his own safety were a great inspiration to the platoon which, in a number of engagements with the enemy, killed twenty-one for the loss of only one of their own soldiers.

    On 2 February when the platoon had reached the relative safety of a military compound on the City’s outskirts, Warrant Officer Egan heard that four wounded American soldiers were in a nearby compound and that all rescue efforts had failed. He immediately organised and led a rescue party which eventually broke through to join the small group of defenders. He arranged for a helicopter to evacuate the wounded and because of the intense enemy small arms fire, accompanied the medical evacuation helicopter to provide suppressive fire, in the course of which he killed two enemy. Later he managed to rejoin his beleaguered Platoon bringing with him urgently needed ammunition and supplies.
    On a number of other occasions, Warrant Officer Egan has displayed outstanding conduct under fire. His leadership, imitative and personal bravery have been an inspiration to the Vietnamese and American troops with whom he has served, and he has brought great credit to himself and the Australian Army.

    Egan’s ARVN platoon absorbed a PAVN Divisional assault on the City of Hue. A battle that saw some of the fiercest fighting of the war. It was Australian NCO’s that led the ARVN units that recaptured that city but not before the Communists had conducted an ideological purge of Hue’s ‘class enemies.’ It was Australian AATTV officers who were the grim accountants of that massacre. Mass graves were still being uncovered in September 1969.

    At the site of a massacre carried out by the Viet Cong along Da Mai Creek south of Hue during the 1968 Tet Offensive, skulls and bones of victims sit on top of flour sacks filled with other remains. Along with personal effects, the remains have been gathered by civilian volunteers and soldiers of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN). They will be taken to Hue so that relatives of the dead can identify the remains and give them a proper burial. The victims, most of them Roman Catholics, totalled about 428 people and comprised clergymen, senior government employees, doctors, teachers, other professionals and anyone else sympathetic to the South Vietnamese regime and its American supporters. The Viet Cong rounded them up and confined them in Hue’s Phu Cam Cathedral before leading them out of the city in early February 1968 and shooting them dead along the banks of the creek.

    It was the execrable Bui Tin who first proposed that executions of civilians did occur in Hue, but this was because of the intensity of the American bombardment. A pitiful excuse later recycled and used by Noam Chomsky to explain the rise of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

    “Well yer’honour we did murder thousands of innocents but it’s not our fault… We was driven mad by the bombing you see. It was the nasty Americans who are actually to blame…”

    A claim that Bui Tin made with no evidence.

    A claim Chomsky made with no evidence.

    Possibly the most pitiful excuse for savagery ever confected, but a fashionable and unquestioned line used by the Communist war crimes apologist from Toowoomba. The same Communist war crimes apologist who is quite comfortable quoting Stuart Rintoul who stated that

    “Australians in Vietnam were guilty of acts of barbarity. There were Australians whose morality was so eroded that they murdered villagers, raped women, tortured and killed wounded enemy soldiers and mutilated corpses.”

    A claim Rintoul made with no evidence…

    After his retirement from the regular Army Terry Egan became an Anglican Minister and was known in Toowoomba as the Pub Padre. In 2004 at the dedication of Toowoomba’s Vietnam War Memorial Egan was involved in a public stoush with perennial local Greens Candidate Neil Reithmuller who turned up to protest.

    Reithmuller claims to have served two years in jail for setting fire to the US consulate in New Zealand in opposition to the Vietnam War. A claim I have been unable to verify yet…

    Egan said at the time of the 2004 protest that veterans had to let go of the bitterness towards the anti-war protesters.

    “The bitterness that was caused was caused by our own people, Australian people in the streets while we were in Vietnam and that’s hard to take. People from universities running around donating blood while we were shedding it.”

    Egan’s line “People from universities running around donating blood while we were shedding it.” referred to the activities of perennial pest and fat half-wit Albert Langer who was the leader of Monash University’s Vietnam War protests during the time that Stuart Rintoul was a student at Monash University…

    It is particularly telling that the anti-Vietnam war protestors of the 1960’s like Langer, Reithmuller and Rintoul, fifty years on have made so very little of their lives. Pathetic people. That their decades old undergraduate lies still spark a few flames in leftist academic enclaves should be a source of national embarrassment.

    People should not get the wrong idea about Toowoomba. For every Reithmuller and every PhD student there are authentic Australian heroes and authentic Australian Voices.

    Brian Sullivan MC and MID

    Terry Egan DCM

    They didn’t write history. They made history. Toowoomba’s finest.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    A friend of mine has a wooden leg

    Just the one?
    Is it Jake the Peg, aka Rolf?

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    Word, Hazmatic.

    Word.

  188. BorisG

    The Poles also expected an attack by Britain and France on Germany’s Western Front, which would have been of great assistance.

    Instead all they got were words (i.e. declarations of war on 3 September 1939) and moral support.

    To balance this out, Poland was Hitler’s best friend until he invaded. They even partook in the division of chechoslovakia

  189. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3244756, posted on November 25, 2019 at 7:57 pm

    Its because you are a festering old monomaniac who has the personalty (sic) of a well rocked wombat.

    Sarah Hanson-Young’s successful action has got me thinking.
    Must have a chat to my BIL, a quite successful plaintiff lawyer…….

    You are an unhinged, obsessive, fuck-knuckle.
    Sue me.

  190. Rex Mango

    Do remember a certain Murray Blake being Commandant of RMC in the early nineties. Might be one of those people who the PHD student describes as being the most dangerous people to be around back in the day.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    “Successful plaintiff lawyer”
    Translation … junior conveyancing clerk.

  192. Rex Mango

    BorisG, did not know that, but they certainly had the best codebreaking experts re enigma.

  193. Juan

    The Poles also got to watch the Western Allies sell out their interests, during the war,to maintain good relations with Stalin. The Soviet invasion of Poland, and the Katyn Forest massacre were all blithely ignored by the Americans and British.

    Yes, the Poles were a noble people who were sold out again and again.

    That said, Poland in 1939 was effectively a fascist state, ever since Józef Piłsudski’s 1926 coup. But it was hardly alone. In one of the underappreciated aspects of pre-Second World War history, a significant number of European countries failed to make the transition to democracy and found themselves under proto-fascist or fascist rule.

    Many think of Austria — perhaps inspired by The Sound of Music — as a victim of the fascists but in fact the Anschluss was more the culmination of a fascist fraternal dispute.

    Austrofascism was the official ideology of Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss and, after his assassination, Kurt Schuschnigg. As an ideology, it was closer to Mussolini’s fascism than Mussolini’s fascism was to Hitler’s Nazism; and in fact, when Hitler first started encroaching on Austria sovereignty, Mussolini supported Dollfuss and opposed Hitler’s claim. It was only in 1937 Mussolini began to side with Hitler, and of course the Anschluss occurred in 1938.

  194. Rex Mango

    All this talk of Toowoomba veterans of 7RAR aside, I think the most important contribution came from Graham Cornes who kicked the winning goal at end of match from the forward pocket for Glenelg in 1973 at Adelaide Oval.

  195. Rex Mango

    SANFL Grand Final I should have added, after a terrific mark.

  196. Juan

    The Poles also got to watch the Western Allies sell out their interests, during the war,to maintain good relations with Stalin. The Soviet invasion of Poland, and the Katyn Forest massacre were all blithely ignored by the Americans and British.

    Yes, the Poles were a noble people who were sold out again and again.

    That said, Poland in 1939 was effectively a fascist state, ever since Józef Piłsudski’s 1926 coup. But it was hardly alone. In one of the underappreciated aspects of pre-Second World War history, a significant number of European countries failed to make the transition to democracy and found themselves under proto-fascist or fascist rule.

    Many think of Austria — perhaps inspired by The Sound of Music — as a victim of the fascists but in fact the Anschluss was more the culmination of a fascist fraternal dispute.

    Austrofascism was the official ideology of Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss and, after his assassination, Kurt Schuschnigg. As an ideology, it was closer to Mussolini’s fascism than Mussolini’s fascism was to Hitler’s Naz1sm; and in fact, when Hitler first started encroaching on Austria sovereignty, Mussolini supported Dollfuss and opposed Hitler’s claim. It was only in 1937 Mussolini began to side with Hitler, and of course the Anschluss occurred in 1938.

  197. Juan

    The Poles also got to watch the Western Allies sell out their interests, during the war,to maintain good relations with Stalin. The Soviet invasion of Poland, and the Katyn Forest massacre were all blithely ignored by the Americans and British.

    Yes, the Poles were a noble people who were sold out again and again.

    That said, Poland in 1939 was effectively a fasc1st state, ever since Józef Piłsudski’s 1926 coup. But it was hardly alone. In one of the underappreciated aspects of pre-Second World War history, a significant number of European countries failed to make the transition to democracy and found themselves under proto-fasc1st or fasc1st rule.

    Many think of Austria — perhaps inspired by The Sound of Music — as a victim of the fasc1sts but in fact the Anschluss was more the culmination of a fasc1st fraternal dispute.

    Austrofasc1sm was the official ideology of Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss and, after his assassination, Kurt Schuschnigg. As an ideology, it was closer to Mussolini’s fasc1sm than Mussolini’s fasc1sm was to Hitler’s Naz1sm; and in fact, when Hitler first started encroaching on Austria sovereignty, Mussolini supported Dollfuss and opposed Hitler’s claim. It was only in 1937 Mussolini began to side with Hitler, and of course the Anschluss occurred in 1938.

  198. Fisky

    GlobalMacroZen
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    #China Central Bank says, largest 4 banks face major problems to meet Total Loss Absorption Capacity #TLAC $ES $SPY

  199. Hazmatic

    Rex Mango
    #3245057, posted on November 26, 2019 at 12:12 am
    Do remember a certain Murray Blake being Commandant of RMC in the early nineties. Might be one of those people who the PHD student describes as being the most dangerous people to be around back in the day.

    RM.

    Let the record show that I’ve never met Murray Blake, but I’m not going to let a chance like this to drop a name go unpassed. I was once Genghis’ neighbour. He was also a very dangerous man but also a keen gardener…

    Johno might know him?

    Duntroon is supposed to create dangerous men like Blake. It’s why we pay them the big money.

    A quote from his MID citation.

    “Major Blake has continued to seek out and destroy the enemy on every occasion”.

    A quote from his Military Cross citation.

    “In January and February this year, when Major Blake’s company was at only half strength, he refused all advice to leave his troops on their final operation although in severe pain from an illness as a result of which he has since been hospitalised”.

    Murray Blake was indeed a born soldier and a very dangerous man.

    His conduct as OC D Company 5RAR at the Battle of Binh Ba in 1969 was everything expected from a 1960 graduate of Duntroon. There is nothing surprising about his award of the MC and MID.

    That the Armour he co-ordinated with to win Binh Ba was commanded by a Nasho. Who was also awarded an MC and MID. Well that’s something. It tells you all you need to know about the outstanding quality of soldier that the NS scheme and Scheyville produced.

    There are exceptions to every rule…

  200. bespoke

    Mark A
    #3244946, posted on November 25, 2019 at 10:21 pm
    I miss him (Armadillo) and Pedro too.

    ‘miss’ is a bit feminine for me so ill with good value or appreciated. 😎

    But the Cat isn’t everything it would be strange if a person thought that.

  201. Mother Lode

    Very late response to Rex, but…

    Man caused climate change theory is now proved according to Media Watch by an increase in ‘extreme fire days’ in Australia. Talk about measuring proxies, that is ridiculous.

    I would observe that AGW is a proxy campaign.

  202. Farmer Gez

    Sitting in the semi as it warms up and the air builds. Carting hay into an export company site and will be for most of the week. The grain harvest in handled by the rest of the crew. Cool today, so crops might not go till well into the arvo. Lambs will need to be sorted today as well for a sale on Friday.
    The hay and grain harvest running on top of each other is leading to many fatigued farmers.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A friend of mine has a wooden leg
    Just the one?
    Is it Jake the Peg, aka Rolf?

    Tres droll, Leigh.

    In all seriousness, I must stick up for her. She’s an inspiration.
    I’ve known her for ten years and have never heard her complain about that leg.
    She drives, does exercise and dance classes, and goes on walking tours.
    Quite a few people don’t even realise she has a wooden leg.
    I hope Delta is going well too with her physio for the new leg.

  204. Tel

    In one of the underappreciated aspects of pre-Second World War history, a significant number of European countries failed to make the transition to democracy and found themselves under proto-fasc1st or fasc1st rule.

    It’s underappreciated that most modern Western countries have gradually gone the same way – bigger government, more regulations, less individual freedom, and “uniparty” elections where questions like “should we really be at war in the Middle East” don’t even get asked.

  205. There’s some great reporting around the results of Leyonhjelm’s face plant, but this takes the cake.
    It’s also a good match for this site when you check the language and tone. There’s lots of name-calling, and anatomical references –

    Leyonhjelm, known to you all as the petulant pants-shitting baby of the Federal Senate, spectacularly quit his seat in Canberra in order to run for – what he assumed – was a much safer bet in state politics.

    And –

    So let me be excruciatingly clear when I say that it gives me immense, giddy pleasure to assert: Get a fucking job you goddamned loser.

    And (from the same source) –

    David Leyonhjelm, the one-time Liberal Democrats Federal Senator who voluntarily quit his post in January to launch a bid for the NSW Legislative Council only to cop a fuckin’ trouncing on election day, has been ordered to pay current Federal Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young $120,000 in damages after a Federal Court ruled their on-going defamation case in Hanson-Young’s favour.

    Leyonhjelm must be spewing when he considers the fact that he is paying damages to a current Senator, whilst he is very much an ex-Senator by his own volition (helped a bit by the voters of NSW.)

    The Fin has the most reserved story, but Justice White doesn’t hold back –

    Justice Richard White was scathing about Mr Leyonhjelm’s conduct, saying he had been “actuated by malice”

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sitting in the semi as it warms up and the air builds

    Didn’t notice it was you at first, Farmer Gez. In my world, a semi is a semi-detached house, and that’s where I put your first sentence. Then I read on, and got your full account of a farmer planning his day.

    I really enjoy the variety of people who post here on the Cat and share something of their worlds too.

    Yesterday seemed full of stressful events, and so I slept rather badly last nite. Think I might tumble back into bed for more shut-eye catch up. After checking out Tom’s Toons of course. Thanks in advance, Tom.

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    DL has fought well for free speech. You don’t have to agree with him to defend that. He may have crossed a line with Sarah HY (who would probably sue us for saying our usual ‘Two Fathers’ although that is exactly what the double-barreled surname implies) but the payout is an extraordinary example of lawfare on someone like David, who has given a lot of time and effort to public life. He would still get my $50 for an appeal against the severity and hardship of that sentence, and also against the injustice of defamation being relevant in pollie vs pollie situations.

  208. Farmer Gez

    If you need a laugh, pop over to Steyn Online. He’s give our very own Hannah Mouncey the once over.

  209. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Spooner has a well-drawn Trump and Secret Service men to make his good point.
    Ariail’s ‘impeachment test kitchen’ pudding is a winner too. Could have also been stuffing a turkey.

    I didn’t click on Rowe as I want to go back to dreamland.
    Don’t need Rowe’s swampy drawings in my head for that.

  210. It’s informative to follow the progression of parliamentary discourse about the second National Service scheme, as the conflict in Vietnam and public attitudes to it changed.

    Australian party politics at the time of the introduction of National Service in 1964 provided a secure basis for the introduction of a scheme of peacetime conscription of young men for overseas service. Even though conscription had always been contentious in the past, especially during the First World War when it had divided the community, the Menzies government of the day assumed that its introduction would not constitute a risk at the ballot box.

    This second scheme of national service wasn’t introduced until November 1964 so was not an issue at the 1963 federal election. Menzies campaigned effectively on other issues such as the proposed North-west Cape communications facility, state aid for students at both government and non-government schools, and the “Faceless Men” controversy. The Coalition criticised Labor for its insistence on Australian decision making in the event of warlike use for the facility and was portrayed by Menzies as being weak in its support for the US alliance. This was integral to the successful Coalition strategy of using the US alliance as a campaign issue, a strategy that shored up the all-important DLP preferences.

    The half senate election on 5 December 1964 resulted in the Coalition winning exactly half the contested seats with the Democratic Labor Party and independent senator Reg Turnbull holding the balance of power. This poll was held shortly after the introduction of national service in November 1964, but before the announcement in May 1965 heralding new powers that enabled it to send national servicemen overseas.

    This sequence of events helped set up the political viability of the scheme. The importance of the DLP vote, bolstered by anti-Communist rhetoric, together with the staggered timing of the announcements (first of the second National Service scheme in November 1964 and then of National Servicemen being liable for overseas service in May 1965) were significant factors.
    On the floor of parliament, the issue of conscription was almost always broached in the context of the threat from the north. On 22 September 1964, Sir Wilfred Kent Hughes (Member for Chisholm, and an ex prisoner of war) asked the following question –

    “I address a question to the Prime Minister. If, as the right honourable gentleman said in Sydney last week, ” Australia had never lived in a state of greater risk “, why has the Government not already taken the necessary action to provide a defence potential commensurate with such risk? As 44.5 per cent, of the recruits for the Australian Regular Army during the last year were between the ages of 17 and 19 years, the latter being the earliest age for active service, and the total of recruits for the last three months would not even provide for wastage, when does the Government propose to re-introduce national service training involving the calling up of 14,000 a year, or some similar scheme to provide the necessary man power for the defence potential which must be built up? Does the Government intend to continue making an appeal to the pockets and not to patriotism of young Australians?”

    The Prime Minister, in his very brief reply, referred to the issue as “a matter of policy” and inferred that it was already under serious discussion. Indeed, it was, and the second scheme was introduced a few months later. Questions such as this one had laid the groundwork.

    The notion that the scheme could result in young men serving unwillingly in a war zone was usually countered by drawing attention to the loophole provided by CMF membership, an option which was taken up by only a very small cohort of prospective conscripts totalling 7197, out of the 804,286 who registered during the duration of the scheme.

    Again, there was a standard response when this was brought up on the floor of parliament –
    Senator MCKELLAR (NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for Repatriation) –

    “The position is this: Our young men today who are eligible for call up have the opportunity to join the C.M.F. Until fairly recently, this opportunity did not exist in the country. It does exist now because extra units have been raised. If young men intend going into the C.M.F. and they are liable to be called up, they must decide to enlist in the C.M.F. before the ballot is due. It could well be said that a young man who has not decided to join the C.M.F. and subsequently is called up could be classified in those circumstances as being sent to Vietnam unwillingly. If there are some youths in this category, I would think that they would be very few.”
    One strange aspect of the scheme was that any twenty-year-old migrant called up, who had served for a continuous period in the military of his country of origin, could subtract that time from his two-year national service obligation.

    The following answer was given by Senator Wright, Minister for Labour and National Service, with reference to this issue on Tuesday, 21 April 1970:

    “A Yugoslav or any other migrant who arrives in Australia prior to the date proclaimed for his age-group to register is required to register for national service. If, following the relevant ballot, he is called up for national service, he will be required to serve for two years less any period of continuous full-time service he has rendered in the naval, military, or air force of Yugoslavia or any other country.”

    The reasoning behind this is difficult to understand, but it does highlight the irony in the attitude of the government of the day which on the one hand used a random but unfair process to conscript young men, but once they were conscripted gave the appearance of treating them fairly.

    Questions about national service were often concerned with ensuring that the scheme was being implemented fairly, rather than its moral justification.

    Perhaps this emphasis on fairness after the event was a strategy of distraction.

    As the end of the decade approached, Hansard began to reflect a more militant attitude on the part of the opposition, as the questions about national service begin to focus more on the rationale behind the country’s commitment in Vietnam, than on the implementation of the scheme.

    By April 1970, the parliamentary discourse was very much about the war rather than the soldiers, and the realisation that support across the Pacific was faltering rapidly was becoming a political factor.
    Senator MURPHY (NEW SOUTH WALES) –

    “My question is directed to the Leader of the Government in the Senate, ls it a fact, as reported all around Parliament House and also in the daily Press, that the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr McEwen, yesterday told a meeting of Government Parties that America had lost the war in Vietnam because it had lost the war at home? If so, will the Leader convey to the Government our congratulations on the truth having percolated through to at least one member of the Government that this illegal, immoral, and unjust war has been lost?”

    The issue of the moral underpinning of the war came to a head during the moratorium campaigns of 1970 and 1971, but it was always enmeshed in objections to conscription.

    In his backgrounding of the political build up to the Australian commitment, Michael Sexton refers to the DLP, and B. A. Santamaria –

    Under the intellectual domination of Santamaria, therefore, the DLP became a vigorous advocate for American policies and greater Australian defence capability…….It was this climate of fear – in addition to the DLP’s votes – that proved so electorally valuable to Menzies and prevented Labor – or anyone else – initiating a debate on some of the premises of the government’s foreign policies

    .

    Sexton contends that Labor was effectively wedged by the political climate, and that they risked electoral damage should they make an issue of the Vietnam commitment. Conscription, at this early stage, seemed somewhat lost as an issue –
    Even more important for the men who were organising Australia’s Vietnam involvement,
    they could be sure that in this climate no real debate on their decision could take place. Only the Labor party was likely to attempt a debate, and it had been effectively discredited before the decision was even made. In the short term, therefore, they had ensured their safety from any adverse judgements – even if their peace of mind required a high price to be paid by others.

    Between 1964 and 1972, 804,286 twenty-year-olds registered for national service and 63,740 of these national servicemen served in the Army. About a quarter of those called up (15,381) , served in Vietnam.
    Of those, 202 were killed and 1,279 wounded.

    These young men came from a wide variety of backgrounds and communities, but they had at least one universal experience derived from their schooling in Australia. They had attended ANZAC Day ceremonies at their local schools, and many would have participated in the associated marches and ceremonies.
    This common experience was one of the factors that helped them, and their families, tolerate the basic unfairness of the scheme.

    By 1972, the politics of the commitment, and especially of conscription to facilitate it, had been completely transformed.

    Sir Wilfred Kent Hughes (member for Chisholm), Parliamentary Hansard, Question Time, House of Representatives, 22nd September 1964, question addressed to the Prime Minister
    Sue Langford, Appendix: The National Service Scheme, 1964 – 1972, https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/viet
    Senator Kenneth McKellar (New South Wales) (Minister for Repatriation), Parliamentary Hansard, Senate Question Time, Tuesday 18th October 1966
    Senator Reginald Wright, (Minister for Labour and National Service), Parliamentary Hansard, Senate Question Time, 21st April 1970
    Senator Lionel Murphy, Parliamentary Hansard, Senate Question Time, Thursday 23rd April 1970
    Michael Sexton, War for the Asking, New Holland, Sydney, 2002
    Ashley Ekins with Ian McNeill, Fighting to the Finish, The Australian Army and the Vietnam War, 1968 – 1975, Allen & Unwin, Sydney

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shy Ted, that’s exactly the sort of weird trannie in a silk blouse that I don’t want in my changeroom.

  212. Shy Ted

    Breaking news – Trump not allowed in lifts as he has heel spurs and a weight problem. He has been deferred from using lifts 5 times.
    Even more breaking news. Photo of Bob stuck in a lift with POTUS DJT. Trump just out of shot.

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah, the pompous lightweight coward’s up and ready to pass judgment again from the safety of his ivory tower or cross*, dependent on his mood.

    ‘It’s also a good match for this site when you check the language and tone. There’s lots of name-calling, and anatomical references’

    Pedestrian TV, which the pro bono advocate linked to above is a Nein-owned franchise aimed at teenagers. You can tell because of the headlines, which today include:

    ‘Score Free Flights Or Accommodation (+ Condoms) For A Summer Vacay Designed To Get You Laid’

    ‘This New Video Claims Festivals Without Pill Testing Are Basically Leaving Us Blindfolded’

    ‘How To Keep Your Blonde Locks Shining Bright Like A Hairy Diamond’

    Compelling gravitas. Links to a poo and wee site while lecturing the punters on ‘tone’.

    *VC free since 1971

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Linky for SteynOnline mentioned above, where the Mouncey pics are the story told at a glance:

    Did Miss Mouncey procure her advantages over her sisters through a rigorous workout regime? No. She gained them by being born male. She played for Oz’s national men’s handball team until 2016, when she revealed she was transitioning and thus would henceforth play for the women’s team. She also announced she was taking up Aussie football, again for the ladies.

    You can speak out against this trend, as Martina Navratilova did – and then spend the next year furiously backpedaling in an effort to hold on to your remaining directorships and sponsor deals. But almost all sports organizations are in the hands of the mega-woke: Political correctness is all about not noticing, as Steve Sailer has observed, and in sport what you’re not meant to notice is more obvious because it’s running around in shorts before your lyin’ eyes. So it’s not enough for the regulatory body to be merely woke; it has to pump itself full of wokabolic steroids – as almost all the relevant institutions have done:

    “The refs say they have even been warned not to question bearded or heavily muscled players claiming to be women for fear of not being inclusive enough.”

    Women’s sports are dying, and very quickly.

  215. Cassie of Sydney

    Warning everyone…last night the Jooo hating racist turd, empowered by Senator Whale Song, was threatening us all here with defamation.

  216. Pedestrian TV, which the pro bono advocate linked to above is a Nein-owned franchise aimed at teenagers.

    And has an uncanny resemblance to Catallaxy.
    Who knows what demographic the Cat targets.
    Posters exhibiting signs of early onset Alzheimer’s perhaps, with a sprinkling of adolescent bogans?

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the progression of parliamentary discourse about the second National Service scheme, as the conflict in Vietnam and public attitudes to it’

    Here’s the thing.

    If you substitute the words/phrases ‘renewable energy’, ‘same-sex marriage’, ‘abortion’, ‘transgender’ or ‘First Nations Voice’ for ‘Vietnam’ and ‘National Service scheme’;

    You’ll very quickly realise that public attitudes on a subject and parliamentary discourse on that subject were and are two very, very different bags of cats.

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