Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. Cardimona

    Cohenite

    Good idea, but I’ll give her a few days to respond.
    Because gentleman.

  2. Cardimona

    Cats, I sent a letter to ScoMo back on October 30 when he poured an extra billion into ruinables.
    This is the missive I sent.

    G’day ScoMo

    Mate, why are you giving another billion dollars to the climate scam?

    Are you confused about climate science versus climate politics?

    First the science.

    Surface temperature is determined by gravity, atmospheric mass and solar heat – not trace gases. Only one changes, solar heat, and it’s looking likely that the next solar cycle will be a dim one.

    The greenhouse effect, such as it is (think dry desert air versus coastal tropical air), is water vapour’s domain. CO2 and methane have no measurable effect outside the laboratory.

    The test of science is accurate prediction. If your predictions fail your hypothesis is faulty. Climatologists have never, ever, anywhere, got even one prediction right. It’s no longer science.

    Now the politics.

    As the “null hypothesis” has beaten “carbon warming” we must accept the reality that this incredibly well-funded scare campaign is driven by a very large organisation.

    So who or what is big enough? It started with some Western billionaire frightbats subverting the UN and funding the hoax from guilt money extracted from Western taxpayers.

    But, as President Trump has noted, the Chinese are very quick to appropriate other people’s intellectual property. So they’ve simply taken over the UN.

    When there’s a slowdown in the supply of Western taxpayers’ money, like now with Trump’s USA turning off the taps, China just kicks in the shortfall.

    Finally – predictions.

    The climate cult have painted themselves into a corner with their “carbon warming” narrative. They can’t back away from it now.

    The sun will dim imperceptibly. The planet will cool noticeably. The alarmists will claim “victory”. But China will continue to burn more coal than the rest of the world combined.

    Electricity, petrol, diesel and gas will be scarce and expensive because we dynamited our power stations and banned oil and gas drilling. The hideously expensive windmills will then wear out.

    China will have ports across our sea-lanes and we will be dependent on them for the reduced income we have. Our best and brightest will find employment overseas.

    Then climate cultists will find their plan has totally failed and they’re not boss of everyone here. China will be.

    I expect outspoken sceptics like me will be second into the gulag, because history tells us the communists will purge the socialists first.

    We didn’t vote for what you’re doing; reverse course, man, before you hit that iceberg.

    Cheers
    (Cardimona)

    Here’s his depressing reply received just now.
    Stick a fork in us….

  3. Arky

    I’m with Montezuma

    ..
    That conscience looks like a true guide to right and wrong.
    I never realised how much communion was like genocide until you pointed it out.

  4. Armadillo

    Police confirmed in a statement a special strike force has been formed to investigate the creation of a fraudulent document relating to the attack on Sydney mayor Clover Moore.

    I bet I don’t get a “Strike Force” to investigate the insurance company for using a fraudulent, fake and phoney “Builders Report” to deny part of my insurance claim. Mind you, the storm was only a month after the Royal Commission delivered its findings.

    Fair dinkum, these guys “bodgied up” a report saying it was photos of “no damage” that were taken on 20/10/2018. Problem is that Mrs A was in a photo (with different coloured hair, and was at work that day)’, the tennis court fence (shown in a photo) had been repaired in August and they are photos of the back of the house (not the front) which is what I was claiming for.

    They then “bodgied up” a second report and stuffed it up completely. Wrong photos e.t.c. These people I am dealing with are state managers, not tea ladies.

    They are going for a row. The complaint to the Ombudsman is longer than a roll of toilet paper. Breaches of the Insurance code, breaches of contract, fraudulent conduct.

    It’s not going to be pretty.

  5. DrBeauGan

    So I am to ignore religion (which is for naive fools) and follow the dictates of this conscience thing which is a sure fire internal guide for doing good which is inside everyone who is errrr… doing good but absent in people who don’t believe the same things we do?
    Because they are books.

    I never said anything like that, Arky. Your straw man is just too dumb. My conscience is real enough, and is the product of a lot of cultural influences, mostly Christian. It’s rather like a sense of humour. You have one of those, I can detect it. It’s rather primitive, but that’s to be expected if you were brung up in New Zealand.

    You can’t, for example, see the silliness of asking what I’d be like if I’d been brought up in mediaeval China. If I’d been brought up in mediaeval China I wouldn’t be me, I’d be someone else; it’s a stupid question. Hence my asking you what if you were a book.

    I haven’t gone taciturn because there aren’t answers to your questions, but because I’m not willing to educate you without payment: it’s a long and depressing job of work.

  6. Top Ender

    Thanks for the link, Spurgeon Monkfish III.

    (Not his real name, I suspect)

  7. Armadillo

    Fuck. Big storm here at the moment. Wind rain. The entire roof is tarped (has been for almost 12 months). It’s like a giant sale. Time for more videos. I’ll be back.

  8. Mitch M.

    ‘Game Changers’ is pushing a new wonder diet, can it all be true?

    Now we have a contest: vegans vs carnivore diet advocates. Both are so wrong.

  9. Arky

    You can’t, for example, see the silliness of asking what I’d be like if I’d been brought up in mediaeval China

    ..
    Not the point and you know it.
    The point isn’t hypothetical you raised in a different culture.
    The point is if there is some infallable internal moral compass why does it exhibit vastly Contradictory behaviourDepending on culture

  10. jupes

    Good work. Send a copy to her useless boss, Christian porter.

    That dickhead might be a bit busy at the minute. Apparently plod has formed a “task force” to investigate him over trying to embarrass the stupid Mayor of Sydney.

    A perfect example of governing in the 21st century. An over-the-top police response to a trivial alleged crime committed while wasting time over a stupid “gotcha” in parliament, none of which will improve the lives of Australians one jot.

  11. DrBeauGan

    I never realised how much communion was like genocide until you pointed it out.

    I didn’t suggest it was like genocide, Arky. Both involve blood of course. You might take the view that communion is only symbolic, although good Catholics would disagree with that. They claim they really are eating the body of Jesus on Sunday. I’m not alone in finding the idea disgusting.

  12. cohenite

    Here’s his depressing reply received just now.
    Stick a fork in us….

    I can’t believe he wrote that shit. Maybe his greenie staff did it and he did the boss cursory signature at the end schtick.

    Send your letter and his reply to Malcolm Roberts and Jo Nova.

  13. DrBeauGan

    The point is if there is some infallable internal moral compass why does it exhibit vastly Contradictory behaviourDepending on culture

    So a joke can’t be funny because if you were a Hottentot it wouldn’t make you laugh?

  14. Here’s his depressing reply received just now.
    Stick a fork in us….

    Depressing indeed,

  15. Arky

    finding the idea disgusting.

    ..
    As disgusting as stoning a chick to death?

  16. bespoke

    1735099 using a teen site as a proxy reminds me of the time he did the same to his son. Despicable and cowardly.

  17. Cardimona

    Cohenite at 4:18pm

    Outstanding idea, I’ll do that now.

  18. Arky

    So a joke can’t be funny because if you were a Hottentot it wouldn’t make you laugh?

    ..
    If an idea, such as conscience is to have any great value, then yes, it has to be widely applicable

  19. DrBeauGan

    As disgusting as stoning a chick to death?

    I don’t have a disgustometer which allows me to call out a number, Arky. Or even make a comparison in general. I think they are both disgusting.

    You ask some bizarre questions.

  20. DrBeauGan

    If an idea, such as conscience is to have any great value, then yes, it has to be widely applicable

    You need to scrutinise your assumptions, Arky. You seem to think that the universe has an obligation to provide you with an app that will tell you truly whether some act is morally right or morally wrong. With a numerical value telling you how right or wrong. Ask Dover to get someone to write it for Android and iPhones.

  21. Arky

    The fact that the word “wang” seems to me inherently funny is, due to it’s small field of application, less of a great idea than , say, replacing stoning bints to death with drinking the valmorphanised blood of a man who introduced the concept of telling them to go and sin no more.

  22. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3245346, posted on November 26, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    Have you read Mission with Lemay?

  23. bespoke

    introduced the concept of telling them to go and sin no more.

    Was he the fist to say that Arky?

  24. Boambee John

    Mother Lode
    #3245553, posted on November 26, 2019 at 3:56 pm
    Numbers is 78?

    And of those 50 have been spent griping about what happened in one.

    Numbers was born in 1947, and was in the 1967 ballot, “deferred” for 2 years, entered the Army in 1969, off to the unmentionable place in 1970.

  25. Top Ender

    Mother Lode…It reminds me a bit of those movies in the 70’s like ‘Chariots of the Gods’ where they would find all this ‘evidence’ of contact with aliens.

    Good comparison.

    Von Daniken held sway for several years, IIRR. Was the full loon with pyramids; spacecraft landing millenia ago, and giant airstrips in the desert etc. He had an interesting history, Wiki says:

    In November 1968 von Däniken was arrested for fraud, after falsifying hotel records and credit references in order to take out loans for $130,000 over a period of twelve years. He used the money for foreign travel to research his book.

    Two years later, von Däniken was convicted for “repeated and sustained” embezzlement, fraud, and forgery, with the court ruling that the writer had been living a “playboy” lifestyle. He unsuccessfully entered a plea of nullity, on the grounds that his intentions were not malicious and that the credit institutions were at fault for failing adequately to research his references, and on 13 February 1970 he was sentenced to three and a half years imprisonment and was also fined 3,000 francs. He served one year of this sentence before being released.

    His first book, Chariots of the Gods?, had been published by the time of his trial, and its sales allowed him to repay his debts and leave the hotel business. Von Däniken wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space, while in prison.

    He’s still around, and now 84. Wonder if he’s mates with Bruce Pascoe.

    Another great loonie was Immanuel Velikovsky. He was the writer of the Worlds in Collision series from the 1950s onwards, a sort of “celestial mechanics” collection of essays and books.

    The book postulates that around the 15th century BC, the planet Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet or comet-like object and passed near Earth (an actual collision is not mentioned). The object allegedly changed Earth’s orbit and axis, causing innumerable catastrophes that are mentioned in early mythologies and religions from around the world. The book has been heavily criticized as a work of pseudoscience and catastrophism, and many of its claims are completely rejected by the established scientific community as they are not supported by any available evidence.

    Velikovsky actually had a decent scientific background, and was not an opportunistic charlatan like von Daniken. He died in 1979.

  26. JC

    Sure, it’s wrong, but I can’t help admiring the fuckers who succeed in this shit.

    The first sign that something had gone wrong in Dresden’s royal palace, home to the most spectacular collection of antique gemstones in Europe, was when the lights went out before dawn.

    In the darkness, two men prised away the iron grille covering a ground-floor window and slipped inside. They made straight for a cabinet, smashed the glass with an axe and seized at least three priceless ornaments encrusted with more than 80 diamonds.

    “It’s as if someone broke into the Louvre and had taken the Mona Lisa,” said Vivienne Becker, a London-based jewellery historian.

    Thieves grab jewels, treasures worth ‘up to a billion euros’ in Dresden

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/europes-prized-jewels-disappear-in-dresden-heist/news-story/38fdc930c765121618ddfc44bd31fb4c

  27. stackja

    Arky
    #3245586, posted on November 26, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    Dr. An Wang
    Dr. Wang was a major force in the early days of computing. His contribution to the invention of core memory significantly advanced the computer industry in the 1950s. His business and word processing systems were used worldwide by the 1970s.

    An Wang, born and educated in China, came to the U.S. after World War II and got his PhD from Harvard. There he invented a type of magnetic core logic circuits. Wang co-founded Wang Laboratories in 1951

  28. “I was wrong” is a statement that is unusual coming from a Republican these days.

  29. JC

    Sure, it’s wrong, but I can’t help admiring the fuckers who succeed in this.

    The first sign that something had gone wrong in Dresden’s royal palace, home to the most spectacular collection of antique gemstones in Europe, was when the lights went out before dawn.

    In the darkness, two men prised away the iron grille covering a ground-floor window and slipped inside. They made straight for a cabinet, smashed the glass with an axe and seized at least three priceless ornaments encrusted with more than 80 diamonds.

    “It’s as if someone broke into the Louvre and had taken the Mona Lisa,” said Vivienne Becker, a London-based jewellery historian.

    Thieves grab jewels, treasures worth ‘up to a billion euros’ in Dresden

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/europes-prized-jewels-disappear-in-dresden-heist/news-story/38fdc930c765121618ddfc44bd31fb4c

  30. JC

    Sure, it’s wrong, but I can’t help admiring the fuckers who succeed in this.

    The first sign that something had gone wrong in Dresden’s royal palace, home to the most spectacular collection of antique gemstones in Europe, was when the lights went out before dawn.

    In the darkness, two men prised away the iron grille covering a ground-floor window and slipped inside. They made straight for a cabinet, smashed the glass with an axe and seized at least three priceless ornaments encrusted with more than 80 diamonds.

    “It’s as if someone broke into the Louvre and had taken the Mona Lisa,” said Vivienne Becker, a London-based j*wellery historian.

    Thieves grab j*wels, treasures worth ‘up to a billion euros’ in Dresden

  31. JC

    Dear God, J*wellry sends a comment into meditation because of the Hebrew connotation.

  32. JC

    Dear God, J*wellry sends a comment into meditation because of the obvious connotation.

  33. Eyrie

    We still have a long way to go with AI , JC. There no intelligence, artificial or otherwise in the spaminator.

  34. Arky

    Was he the fist to say that Arky?

    ..
    I am not familiar with any other recorded incident in history where someone turned a mob like that.

  35. Boambee John

    Cardimona

    You missed the elephant in the room..politicians are also part of The climate cult [and] have painted themselves into [the same] corner with their “carbon warming” narrative. They can’t back away from it now.

    Apart from a few holdouts, now thrown outs, like Tony Abbott, our “leaders” have painted themselves into the same corner. Logic, rationality and science come very poor also rans after ego and pride.

    As cooling occurs, look for ever more convoluted explanations rejecting reality, as hubris is inevitably followed by nemesis.

  36. zyconoclast

    Pet owners told to be wary after man dies of infection from being licked by his dog

    According to the report, the previously healthy man’s infection was caused by capnocytophaga canimorsus, a bacterium that is commonly found in the mouths of dogs and cats.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t help admiring the fuckers who succeed in this.

    I don’t.
    Those marvelous works of art have been broken up into their component gemstones by now.
    What a disaster.

  38. Dr Faustus

    In The Perils of Having a Dickhead Run Your Company news:

    Elon Musk: Tesla boss reveals why windows of Cybertruck smashed

    Elon Musk has blamed poor planning as the reason why the supposedly unbreakable windows of Tesla’s Cybertruck smashed during a botched launch event.

    “You want a truck you can take a sledgehammer to, a truck that won’t scratch, doesn’t dent.”

    To prove it he then directed a Tesla designer to strike the door with a sledgehammer, resulting in no damage.

    But when they threw a metal ball at the driver’s side window and it splintered, Mr Musk said: “Oh my f****** God.”

    Mr Musk has since said on Twitter that the sledgehammer caused an unseen crack which led to the windows smashing when they were hit with the steel ball.

    “Should have done steel ball on window, then sledgehammer the door. Next time.”

    Yes. That’s the neatly planned way OMFG accidents happen in reality.

    In response Tesla stocks fell by more than 6%.

    [If you want an SUV that looks like it was designed on an Etch-a-Sketch – only US$39,900.]

  39. JC

    Bruce

    These thefts are ingenious. Most of that stuff is much better off in private hands too. 🙂

  40. bespoke

    I’m not talking about a mob Arky. the idea and what sin?

  41. Boambee John

    cohenite
    #3245572, posted on November 26, 2019 at 4:18 pm
    Here’s his depressing reply received just now.
    Stick a fork in us….

    I can’t believe he wrote that shit. Maybe his greenie staff did it and he did the boss cursory signature at the end schtick.

    The reply would have been written by the bureaucracy – in all probability the original request was referred to whichever minister claims to be responsible for the environment, then referred to that departments’ bureaucrats, who drafted the usual answer, tailored to the specific question.

    Until ministers make it plain that politicians make policy (the POLI in politician is the hint) and bureaucrats simply implement it, nothing will change.

  42. Mitch M.

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-extra-virgin-olive-oil-staves.html

    2 spoonfuls a day. Never buy in transparent containers, check for shelf life, and keep away from sunlight.

  43. Top Ender

    Yes to Mission with Lemay, Stackja.

    Much disliked by some, probably ‘cos they didn’t like him. I thought it a fair diary.

  44. Logic, rationality and science come very poor also rans after ego and pride.

    Yup. I agreed with whatever, so it must be correct.
    The same sort of thinking happens with purchases, “I bought a Microsoft phone, so it must be good”

    If the enlightenment was the rise of reason, what do we call this age? The endarkenment?

  45. max

    but not quite as disgusting as eating your god and drinking his blood every Sunday.

    One view is that this sublimates and satisfies one of our most primitive urgings, that of human sacrifice.

    Take away the structures that surround and restrain and distance us from back lobes and this could be true.

    Although industrial scale abortion is just doing what the Incas did so perhaps we’re not so different.

  46. bespoke

    Up until last month I had Microsoft phone (920), it was good.

  47. Boambee John

    “I was wrong” is a statement that is unusual coming from a Republican these days.

    Such a statement has never been made by any Demorat, ALP or other “progressive” left politician.

  48. Helen

    Too late Mitch M, I am past 40 and not a mouse.

  49. jo

    Good to see you back Armadillo. So Arky, you’re not one of the Clintons after all.

  50. EvilElvis

    It’s fine to focus on whether Pascoe is an Abo or not but it’s not the main point.

    Actually it’s a point that should be made strongly and should be a counter point to the left/ABC championing of him. If you so easily allow anyone to identify as Aboriginal you demean those who truly are and demean their culture by extension. It’s cultural appropriation in 2019 FFS!

  51. The main point is that the ABC champions bullshyte. Rationality, reason are ignored.

    If it was because the ABC et al were just plain stupid, I wouldn’t mind so much.

  52. Arky

    bespoke
    #3245613, posted on November 26, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    ..
    Adultery.

  53. Such a statement has never been made by any Demorat, ALP or other “progressive” left politician.

    Bullshit.

  54. Anyone here familiar with Eric P Dollard?

    I thought he was a crank I saw he had written a book on specialised vector calculus that explains polyphase AC power.

  55. bespoke

    Are you saying no one was against Adultery before then?

  56. Boambee John

    Cardimona

    It is quite possible that either ScoMo saw neither your incoming letter, nor the outgoing response, with the latter simply receiving a facsimile signature. Or, the response might have been included in a bundle of letters for signature, placed before him with the comment “These are ready to go boss”. He would be most unlikely to have read it before signing.

    Fun fact: in the very early days of the Department of Defence, the minister would come to the department once a week to sign the outgoing correspondence.

    Further fun fact: the first minister for defence lasted about a week. During one of his intensive briefing sessions with the department, he had a seizure and died.

  57. Arky

    Good point Bespoke, I have fallen into a common misreading:

    The first thing to recognize is that the pharisees who brought the woman before Jesus were not sincere. This is a crucial element of story. These weren’t good, religious men who were concerned about right and wrong and upholding morality and the law. Their entire purpose in bringing her before Jesus was to trap him. They didn’t really care that the woman had sinned. She was merely a pawn in their ongoing efforts to undermine and hopefully kill Jesus.

    At this time, the Jews in Israel were under the control of the Roman Empire. That is why in the story of the Nativity, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem to be taxed by decree of the Roman Emperor, Cæsar Augustus.

    Under Roman rule, the power to impose capital punishment, including by stoning, had been taken away from all Jewish authorities. Only a Roman tribunal could impose the death penalty. That is why even after Jesus was eventually arrested and condemned to death by the Jewish Sanhedrin, they didn’t stone him immediately themselves; he had to be taken before the Roman governor, Pilate, to actually impose the death penalty. And when it was imposed he was killed using the Roman method — crucifixion– not stoning. The Jewish leaders had no legal authority to put him to death.

    The same was true of the adulterous woman. Even though adultery was punishable by death under the Law of Moses, under Roman law, adultery was not a capital crime. Neither Jesus nor the pharisees could legally have stoned the woman to death for having committed adultery.

    So when the pharisees brought the woman before Jesus, and asked “Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?” They weren’t actually planning to stone her at all. They couldn’t. If they had, they would have violated Roman Law and endangered their own positions of power. Bringing the woman to Jesus was simply a form of emotional theater meant to manipulate the crowd and pressure Jesus into answering carelessly by making the question real and immediate instead of just hypothetical. (And to this day readers are still falling for their theatrics, caught up in the drama while largely oblivious to the real trap.)

    The pharisees were trying to construct a verbal snare for Jesus. If he answered that the woman should be stoned as the law of Moses dictates, then they would paint him as a revolutionary and try to have him arrested by the Romans for advocating the violation of Roman rule. If he responded that the woman should not be stoned, they would accuse him of rejecting the law of Moses and use it to undermine his influence among the believing Jews who considered him a great Rabbi or potentially the Messiah.

  58. Arky

    If the woman really had committed adultery, she would not have been stoned to death, but done in by the Romans in some other hideous way.

  59. Boambee John

    The seagull is very sensitive to responses as snide as his original post. Perhaps a little more humility might be appropriate?

  60. The first thing to recognize is that the pharisees who brought the woman before Jesus were not sincere. This is a crucial element of story. These weren’t good, religious men who were concerned about right and wrong and upholding morality and the law. Their entire purpose in bringing her before Jesus was to trap him. They didn’t really care that the woman had sinned. She was merely a pawn in their ongoing efforts to undermine and hopefully kill Jesus.

    Given the similarities of sincerity, purpose and venality to that of the pharisees, WWJD about the administrative state and lawtradespeople?

    Hmmm. How can Christians do as they are meant to and follow the law and respect the government?

    I submit that their lord and saviour would crack Parliament Hill in two.

  61. JC

    The first black bro president.

    According to a podcast Rassi and another poll both came out at the same time roughly and both say Trump has 34% black support.

    I think it was Artie who suggested Trump is the first real black president.

  62. True, funny and sad.

    …and why western society doesn’t deserve to and may not go on forever.

  63. Max Bassanini
    Max Bassanini
    2 weeks ago
    Had to rewatch this after the Mcdonalds CEO was fired for having a consenting relationship with a coworker LOL

    We do not deserve South Park

    By gum the west has become an emotionally incontinent, retarded mess.

  64. The Buttsmarn on the loopy fat crazy man hating cat LAYDEES who reckon men fairly regularly beat the shit out of their wives and girlfriends come home from putting out a fire.

    Larissa Waters just standing there and smiling like a shit eating dumb monkey.

    (But hey, it’s alright, Hanson-Young sued David Leyonhjelm for calling out her hypocrisy [rumours have included a mincing poodle and a gherkin based catallaxyfiles reading barrister]).

  65. JC

    You know, Trump’s firing of the military dude has secured every single military vote. It’s also gratifying to watch a civilian – Trump – firing a military guy for not following orders.

    Trump is God.

  66. Imagine if David Leyonhjelm appeals.

    I can’t see the Full Federal Court backing the notion that a presiding judge can ignore the only third party that was a witness to an event.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Trump Approval Among Blacks Tops 34 Percent in Emerson Poll

    This can’t possibly be true.

    If it is even close to true, he will win 40+ states.

  68. Arky

    You know, Trump’s firing of the military dude has secured every single military vote.

    ..
    I thought something very similar.
    Aside from a very thin veneer of careerist wankers at the top, they would be pretty happy with Trump on this.

  69. Top Ender

    Your $32 billion at work – or not – in the Outback, building houses:

    Eddie Newman, the mayor of five communities perched on the tip of Cape York, said the delay had caused angst in his constituents’ already-crowded households.

    “I’ve got a house there now with 13 living in the house, and it’s a three-bedroom house,” he said.

    and

    In a statement, Queensland’s Minister for Housing Mick De Brenni said his Government had committed more than $1 billion to remote housing over the next 10 years.

    The mayors expressed frustration that key Closing the Gap targets the earlier housing partnership was intended to address — particularly in employment and health — would continue to lag until all levels of government came together on the issue.

    Link to ABC article

  70. Infidel Tiger

    I think it was Artie who suggested Trump is the first real black president.

    It was. He is also the most American man in history.

    Dude has a gold toilet, a private jet and eats fried chicken with a monogrammed knife and fork.

  71. cohenite

    he had written a book on specialised vector calculus that explains polyphase AC power.

    No it doesn’t.

    I thought he was a crank

    Hold that thought.

  72. JC

    Artie

    It may not be true, but it’s also possible that it is. It also may not translate into votes as support doesn’t mean they’re going to show up on vote day. But dream a little, what if it is and they enthusiastically go out and vote Trump?

    That’s 40 states and the D’rats would be rooted. They entire plan of aggregating all the minorities into forming a majority is fucked.

  73. JC

    How about neutralizing the black vote, by encouraging them not to go vote for the D’rats. That would still be a disaster for the D’rats.

  74. Good lord.

    Compare what Mona Elthaway said and compare it to the duplicitous nonsense that Susan Rice was spewing out of her anterior caput rectum regarding the apparent lack of necessity for a right to bear arms (preceding the DL v landwhale /snuggle bunny court case).

    I’ll give crazy Mona some credit, she would actually support women walking around with mace, billy clubs or a cute little Glock G 42 .380 auto subcompact.

  75. Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

  76. Geriatric Mayfly

    See. It’s an old tradition dating back to when they built their own houses. They were not just bungalows like those being dished up by Gub’mit; but McMansions back then, which could accommodate all the rellies when they dropped by.

    “I’ve got a house there now with 13 living in the house, and it’s a three-bedroom house,” he said.

  77. Nob

    JC
    #3245646, posted on November 26, 2019 at 5:28 pm
    The first black bro president.

    According to a podcast Rassi and another poll both came out at the same time roughly and both say Trump has 34% black support.

    I think it was Artie who suggested Trump is the first real black president.

    Clinton was also called the First Black President.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/books/toni-morrison-defended-championed-chastised-presidents-n1039591

    Paul Keating will pop up and take credit for it soon.

    Maybe they just approve of serial shaggers.

  78. areff

    The author uses the aborigines as an example of aggression in hunter gatherer societies

    More racist lies, as noted on Twitter:

    #darkemu Why has knowledge of Indigenous brain surgery been suppressed? Read this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27783404 Healed skull bones show patients survived, but white archeology dismisses it as evidence as evidence of “violence”

  79. bespoke

    A different take to what this sites resident clown was running with the other day.
    H/T instapundit

    Don’t Let Left’s Cynical Hit On Nunes And Giuliani Work Again

  80. Nick

    Two ads on tv, one for rice bubbles, one for trams, both featuring a tranny.

  81. Helen

    but but but areff that reports talks about blunt force trauma on the head, not delicate surgery.

    Damn! That is where I have it wrong. When Paddy is belting maty over the head with a nulla nulla, he is performing intricate brains surgery on her.

  82. UFC bouts are actually faith healing prayer sessions.

  83. Helen

    Continuing the line, a length of rio in the vagina is a gynaecological examination.

  84. cohenite

    There is a tendency for “science” to ingrain an orthodoxy.

    That’s not science. Science is simply a method of inquiry.

    Biologists used to mock Lamarkian evolution. Now it is part of how it works.

    I might buy Dollard’s book and make my own judgment. Someone can be a crank and still make progress.

    Look at Bruce’s forbears. Alchemists were cranks and became chemists.

    Speaking of which, this seems like a good book:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/review-the-chemistry-of-alchemy/

  85. Snoopy

    History as she is wrote by TheirABC:

    Cherbourg was established in 1899 by Salvation Army member William Thompson.

    The town, also known as Barambah, was invaded and taken over as a government settlement in 1904 under the then Aboriginal Protection Act.

    And

    Some of those children — known as the ‘dormitory girls and boys’ — survived their time living in the ration shed and still live in Cherbourg today.

  86. Perplexing how you can invade yourself. Especially a dominion of federated former colonies, that became effectively independent.

    Also perplexing that the left waxes lyrical like this but consider Bo Gritz and Cliven Bundy as monsters.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Cashless Debit Card, as applied to the Natives, is still stimulating a massive whinge session in the House. The Labor wimminzes are having a field day, trotting out all the dot points from the SJW’s handbook.

  88. cohenite

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3245686, posted on November 26, 2019 at 6:33 pm

    I agree Frank, I’ve got a completely open mind; I mean look at the demorats: they have conclusively proven black holes and perpetual motion machines of the second kind by eliminating entropy.

  89. Roger

    The first thing to recognize is that the pharisees who brought the woman before Jesus were not sincere. This is a crucial element of story.

    Scripture is concise, inviting us to read between the lines, although our speculations do not share its authority.

    There is this line of patristic commentary which may stem from the apostles:

    When Jesus knelt down and wrote in the dust – the only recorded instance of him writing anything – he listed the sins of the woman’s accusers, presumably with their names attached.

    Thus, one by one, they went away.

    Gospel truth? We can’t say. But is has at least a ring of truth about it.

  90. 8th Dan

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    No, he didn’t:

    Victorian independent Senator Derryn Hinch has told the Federal Court that former politician David Leyonhjelm’s comments in the media about the Greens’ Sarah Hanson-Young were “vile” and he supported her claim that she did not say in Parliament that “all men were rapists”.

    In a blow to Mr Leyonhjelm’s defence to a defamation action brought against him by Senator Hanson-Young, Mr Hinch said on Friday that “at no stage did Senator Hanson-Young say that all men were rapists”.

    Not here either:

    Mr Leyonhjelm, who represented the Liberal Democrats in the Senate from 2014 to 2019, told media outlets that his comment was in response to a supposed aside by Senator Hanson Young that “all men are rapists”. She denied saying this and the judge agreed with her after hearing evidence from other senators including Derryn Hinch.

  91. Arky

    When Jesus knelt down and wrote in the dust – the only recorded instance of him writing anything – he listed the sins of the woman’s accusers, presumably with their names attached.

    ..
    So what you are saying is he was Arkancided?
    Those bloody Clinton’s have some reach eh?

  92. Roger

    So what you are saying is he was Arkancided?

    Jesus was crucified because he claimed to be the Son of God the Father (a claim he backed up with miracles).

    For the Sanhedrin, this was blasphemy.

    Just read the Gospels, arky – it’s all there.

  93. Juan

    I can’t see the Full Federal Court backing the notion that a presiding judge can ignore the only third party that was a witness to an event.

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    The judgment refers to several witnesses, who gave differing accounts.

    White J at [26]:

    “The question of whether the applicant did make a claim to the effect alleged by the respondent is at the heart of the issues in the case. The Court heard evidence from a number of witnesses concerning the words spoken by the applicant and it is sufficient at this stage to say that there was little unanimity amongst them. It is also pertinent to note that the applicant accepted that, if the respondent proved that she had made the claim that “all men are rapists”, then his defence of justification would be made out and that her claim in defamation must fail.”

    But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is at [176]:

    “Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t rape them” as the respondent contended, such a statement would not have been tantamount to a claim that “all men are rapists”. A statement that rapes of women are committed by men is not the equivalent of a statement that “all men are rapists”. That proposition has only to be stated to be seen to be so. The respondent himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are rapists”.”

  94. Shy Ted

    It’s gonna take more than a few bloodbath Newspolls for ScoMo and the SFL to change tack.

  95. Juan

    I can’t see the Full Federal Court backing the notion that a presiding judge can ignore the only third party that was a witness to an event.

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    The judgment refers to several witnesses, who gave differing accounts.

    White J at [26]:

    “The question of whether the applicant did make a claim to the effect alleged by the respondent is at the heart of the issues in the case. The Court heard evidence from a number of witnesses concerning the words spoken by the applicant and it is sufficient at this stage to say that there was little unanimity amongst them. It is also pertinent to note that the applicant accepted that, if the respondent proved that she had made the claim that “all men are rapists”, then his defence of justification would be made out and that her claim in defamation must fail.”

    But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is at [176].

  96. stackja

    Terry McCrann, Herald Sun just on Sky Bolta. Listen to Sky News Radio
    Terry McCrann nominated the former treasurer Peter Costello as new Westpac chairman.

  97. Juan

    I can’t see the Full Federal Court backing the notion that a presiding judge can ignore the only third party that was a witness to an event.

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    The judgment refers to several witnesses, who gave differing accounts.

    White J said at [26]:

    “The question of whether the applicant did make a claim to the effect alleged by the respondent is at the heart of the issues in the case. The Court heard evidence from a number of witnesses concerning the words spoken by the applicant and it is sufficient at this stage to say that there was little unanimity amongst them. It is also pertinent to note that the applicant accepted that, if the respondent proved that she had made the claim that “all men are rapists”, then his defence of justification would be made out and that her claim in defamation must fail.”

    But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is at [176]:

    “Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t rape them” as the respondent contended, such a statement would not have been tantamount to a claim that “all men are rapists”. A statement that rapes of women are committed by men is not the equivalent of a statement that “all men are rapists”. That proposition has only to be stated to be seen to be so. The respondent himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are rapists”.”

  98. feelthebern

    Time for Terry McCrann to pack it in.
    He’s no longer a RBA surrogate.
    He serves no purpose.

  99. Looks like the Liberal Party are running a protection racket.

    How are they morally or practically different to the ‘nDrangheta?

    One pretends to be conservative, the other pretends to be orange farmers.

  100. feelthebern

    For RBA watchers, Gov Lowe is making a speech tonight on “unconventional monetary policy”.
    Read, how QE will work in Australia.

  101. Nick

    You’d think McCrann could afford a haircut. I’ve met homeless better presented.

  102. stackja

    feelthebern
    #3245720, posted on November 26, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    Your nominee for Westpac chairman?

  103. Juan

    I can’t see the Full Federal Court backing the notion that a presiding judge can ignore the only third party that was a witness to an event.

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    The judgment refers at [26] to several witnesses, who gave differing accounts.

    But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is at [176].

  104. zyconoclast

    Trump Approval Among Blacks Tops 34 Percent in Emerson Poll

    This can’t possibly be true.

    If it is even close to true, he will win 40+ states.

    It’s not true.
    At best he will get 6% from the Shaneeq’as
    and 12% from the Ty’rones.

  105. 8th Dan

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    Hinch didn’t verify what DL said. Quite the opposite:

    Victorian independent Senator Derryn Hinch has told the Federal Court that former politician David Leyonhjelm’s comments in the media about the Greens’ Sarah Hanson-Young were “vile” and he supported her claim that she did not say in Parliament that “all men were [email protected]”.

    In a blow to Mr Leyonhjelm’s defence to a defamation action brought against him by Senator Hanson-Young, Mr Hinch said on Friday that “at no stage did Senator Hanson-Young say that all men were [email protected]”.

  106. feelthebern

    Boomer blowback has been swift.
    You have to hand it to IT, he was ahead of the curve blasting Boomers years ago.

  107. Arky

    Just read the Gospels, arky – it’s all there.

    ..
    I am very rusty. I did not pick the book up since my confirmation in my teens until a year or so ago. That is like forty years.
    The old testament is hard going at first.
    Even the new testament requires a few goes to get beyond the atheist programming we are all now drenched in. Found myself saying “Yeah , pfffft, whatever dude”. and putting it down a few times the first read.

  108. areff

    Why is there no indigene pottery in Australia’s museums? An aboriginal activist explains on Twitter:

    Laura McBride
    @wailwancurator

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment. That’s why we have so many clubs, spears and boomerangs. They collected evidence for their flawed theories.

    Ms McBride, by the way, is blonde enough to have auditioned for Abba.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment

    The re writing of history continues.

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    They collected evidence for their flawed theories.

    What, like climate scientists?
    Betcha she wouldn’t like that question.

  111. But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is

    The judge was a socialist stooge. They give themselves away at 176, making inferences that was precisely the bloody point, selective use of context and so on.

    Don’t kid yourself. Ms Bunny Boiler has said far worse things. In and out of Parliament.

    David’s second problem is he didn’t have a simpering, snivelling pandering media to back him up.

    Leyonhjelm was described recently as a baby shitting himself – wait a minute, who filed a defamation suit?

    176 Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t pape them” as the respondent contended, such a statement would not have been tantamount to a claim that “all men are papists”. A statement that papes of women are committed by men is not the equivalent of a statement that “all men are papists”. [Oh really – no context other than this, what is being implied?] That proposition has only to be stated to be seen to be so [THAT WA PRECISELY LEYONHJELMS POINT. The respondent himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are papists”. ….[AND HE MADE SUCH A POINT BECAUSE SUSAN RICE AND SARAH HANSON YOUNG WOULD PREFER TO HAVE WOMEN AS VICTIMS RATHER THAN RELAX OR REPEAL GUN & OTHER WEAPONS LAWS]

    So basically the idiot judge has found that making a rhetorical point is illegal and the left can use imprecise language to smear a class generally and never get called on it.

    Total bullshit.

    Appeal it, David.

  112. Arky

    Not as hard as buddhist scripture though.
    Crazy buddhists.
    I keep the missus away from putting petrol in the mower for precisely this reason.

  113. Why is there no indigene COBOL in Australia’s museums?

  114. mh

    The walk back begins. I want ‘censure’

    House Dem now sees no ‘value’ in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-dem-reverses-course-on-impeachment-as-polls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure

  115. 176 Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t pape them” as the respondent contended,

    Derryn Hinch pretty much confirmed the way DL told it happened, but with a “ohh, I don’t like him very much at all”.

    If this is how the judiciary treats men in civil cases, good lord if you are accused of a crime against a woman, you perhaps ought to flee to a non-cooperative jurisdiction.

    Chances are, you won’t get a fair trial.

  116. areff

    Where do Buddhists stand on the carbon-emission scale?

    No doubt the Rohinga were trying to save the planet when they attacked all those Buddhist police stations and prompted the coal-fuelled backlash we hear so much about.

  117. Arky

    The spectators were mostly stunned into silence, but some wailed and several began praying. Many of the monks and nuns, as well as some shocked passersby, prostrated themselves before the burning monk. Even some of the policemen, who had orders to control the gathered crowd, prostrated before him.[4]

    In English and Vietnamese, a monk repeated into a microphone: “A Buddhist priest burns himself to death. A Buddhist priest becomes a martyr.” After approximately 10 minutes, Đức’s body was fully immolated and it eventually toppled backwards onto its back. Once the fire subsided, a group of monks covered the smoking corpse with yellow robes, picked it up and tried to fit it into a coffin, but the limbs could not be straightened and one of the arms protruded from the wooden box as he was carried to the nearby Xá Lợi Pagoda in central Saigon. Outside the pagoda, students unfurled bilingual banners which read: “A Buddhist priest burns himself for our five requests.”[26]

    ..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c
    Sacrifice. A recurring motif in human affairs.
    The whole thing was quite a choreographed event.

  118. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #3245737, posted on November 26, 2019 at 7:41 pm
    Why is there no indigene COBOL in Australia’s museums?

    Grace Hopper’s moth ate the exhibit?

  119. feelthebern

    Black womenfolk love Trump.

  120. Just saying when White J was appointed, it was by Dreyfus in Rudd’s James II – esque 2nd term.

  121. Mark A

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment

    Never too late to start collecting them now.
    All over the world shards are found even after being buried for 1000s of years.

    Where are the indigenous pottery remains then?

  122. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why is there no indigene COBOL in Australia’s museums?

    C’mon Inco, surely you are aware that Uluru is actually a giant 9,000 year old supercomputer, and climbing was banned to preserve the secret! After all almost half of it is silicon, and you know what silicon is used for.

  123. Boambee John

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment

    Yet, strangely, the British seem to have been indefatigable collectors of such artefacts elsewhere in their Empire.

  124. Rex Mango

    Just watching KRudd address China issue on 7.30Report, sound turned down thankfully. Meanwhile Bolt banging on about same stuff last night, with an expert saying China wants us to bend the knee to Beijing. Our pushback policy is simple. Introduce Chinese to the wonders of gambling in the form of horse racing. Forget about NBA, or soccer, make horse racing their national sport and Australia can set that industry up, as we have already done in Honkers.

  125. Juan

    Jesus was crucified because he claimed to be the Son of God the Father (a claim he backed up with miracles).

    For the Sanhedrin, this was blasphemy.

    True but this presents a problem. The punishment for blasphemy was stoning, as St Stephen’s trial and execution recounted in Acts attests to; but Jesus was executed by crucifixion, a Roman punishment reserved for those guilty of insurrection against Roman rule … you know: Romani ite domum.

  126. Geriatric Mayfly

    And Keats would have written: Ode On A Koorie Urn.

    Yet, strangely, the British seem to have been indefatigable collectors of such artefacts elsewhere in their Empire.

  127. Rex Mango

    Not sure who it was on this blog (Bruce of Newcastle perhaps) who pointed out pottery as the fatal flaw in Dark Emu, but yeah that is a headshot.

  128. Rockdoctor

    Six days left in the Shit Towns of Australia prelim final.

    KD notice Townsville was knocked out of the running by Mt Isa. Can’t argue with that one, Isa wins hands down.

    Some notable missing noms IMO, Moranbah where I actually saw a mullet on a pair of 15yo about 5yo. Moree, drove through there a few months back and shouldn’t have stopped FMD. Elliott, from what I have heard the place has the same look as it did 30yo when I first went though the place being the “mobile homes” on the approach/departure side of the Stuart Hwy. Bundaberg, did a job out Childers/Biggenden way and had to source supplies from Bundy that I used dread going near (Shudder). Numerous Cape York towns too many to mention…

    Most of the above beat Townsville, Rocky, Gladstone in a heartbeat but yeah we could be here all day.

  129. Rex Mango

    Copper on Bolt’s show asking why the body camera footage from Rolfe not been released, re the NT shooting. They always release it when it involves women in head scarves.

  130. Six days left in the Shit Towns of Australia prelim final.

    Walgett is the undefeated heavyweight super champ.

    All the other towns are duking it out between each other because Walgett is so far ahead of the pack.

  131. Bruce of Newcastle

    Juan – The Pharisees complained to Pilate they weren’t allowed to execute anyone, which is why they dragged Jesus in front of him. (see John 18:31)

  132. Juan

    Derryn Hinch pretty much confirmed the way DL told it happened, but with a “ohh, I don’t like him very much at all”.

    But that all counts for nought when White J says at [176]:

    “Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t rape them” as the respondent contended, such a statement would not have been tantamount to a claim that “all men are rapists”. A statement that rapes of women are committed by men is not the equivalent of a statement that “all men are rapists”. That proposition has only to be stated to be seen to be so. The respondent himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are rapists”.” [Emphasis added]

    Leyonhjelm torpedoed his own case. And I say this as someone who probably likes David Leyonhjelm more than most others here, but on this matter he’s the author of his own misfortune – having passed up several opportunities to stop this before it got anywhere.

  133. Rex Mango

    Wilcannia would wipe the floor with Walgett.

  134. feelthebern

    I’ve said that since day one, Rex.
    Release the body cam footage.

  135. Juan

    Derryn Hinch pretty much confirmed the way DL told it happened, but with a “ohh, I don’t like him very much at all”.

    But that all counts for nought when White J says at [176] that Leyonhjelm “himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are rapists”.”
    Leyonhjelm torpedoed his own case. And I say this as someone who probably likes David Leyonhjelm more than most others here, but on this matter he’s the author of his own misfortune – having passed up several opportunities to stop this before it got anywhere.

  136. Roger

    Juan – The Pharisees complained to Pilate they weren’t allowed to execute anyone, which is why they dragged Jesus in front of him. (see John 18:31)

    Precisely.

  137. Juan

    Derryn Hinch pretty much confirmed the way DL told it happened, but with a “ohh, I don’t like him very much at all”.

    But that all counts for nought when White J says at [176] that Leyonhjelm “himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are r-pists”.”
    Leyonhjelm torpedoed his own case. And I say this as someone who probably likes David Leyonhjelm more than most others here, but on this matter he’s the author of his own misfortune – having passed up several opportunities to stop this before it got anywhere.

  138. Rex Mango

    Tv viewing tip; great movie on right now on SBS Ch32 – The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp

  139. egg_

    Six days left in the Shit Towns of Australia prelim final.

    Tingha, NSW?

  140. cohenite

    The judgment refers at [26] to several witnesses, who gave differing accounts.
    But putting that to one side, David Leyonhjelm’s real problem is at [176].

    176 is:

    176 Finally, even had the applicant interjected the words “women wouldn’t need [tasers, guns or protection] if men didn’t r.pe them” as the respondent contended, such a statement would not have been tantamount to a claim that “all men are r.pists”. A statement that r.pes of women are committed by men is not the equivalent of a statement that “all men are r.pists”. That proposition has only to be stated to be seen to be so. The respondent himself acknowledged that there is “a big difference between the statement “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are r.pists”.

    Here is 26:

    26 The question of whether the applicant did make a claim to the effect alleged by the respondent is at the heart of the issues in the case. The Court heard evidence from a number of witnesses concerning the words spoken by the applicant and it is sufficient at this stage to say that there was little unanimity amongst them. It is also pertinent to note that the applicant accepted that, if the respondent proved that she had made the claim that “all men are r.pists”, then his defence of justification would be made out and that her claim in defamation must fail.

    And

    95 It is true that in the Sunrise program on 18 June 2018, the applicant did refer to men as “pigs” and “morons” and said that “men cannot control themselves and deal with their own issues”. However, those remarks are to be understood in context.

    The incident between sarah dugong and DL followed a short speech by Green’s Senator Janet Rice, the ugly one, in which she laid the blame for a specific assault on all men. DL’s context was that if he had called all women sluts he would have been pilloried so he reacting to what he said dugong said was justified.

    I’m still not sure if the court found she did say what DL said she said at 176 but its certain that dugong was given a context which latitude DL was not given.

  141. 8th Dan

    Who’s the witness, if I may ask?

    Hunch, who wasn’t exactly a friendly witness, but he verified what DL said happened.

    Hunch did no such thing. He did quite the opposite, and more.

  142. Rex Mango

    Haven’t followed the Leyonhjelm case closely, but I always thought defamation was based on loss of earnings etc (damage to reputation can mean loss of earnings to a celebrity). How much money did SHY lose, even theoretically, due Leyonhjelm’s comment?

  143. Roger

    The old testament is hard going at first.
    Even the new testament requires a few goes to get beyond the atheist programming we are all now drenched in. Found myself saying “Yeah , pfffft, whatever dude”. and putting it down a few times the first read.

    Persist; it’s worth it, arky.

    There’s no doubt parts of the OT are hard going, but the NT can’t be understood without it.

    The various books of T.D. Alexander – inexpensive and accessible for the non-specialist – yet representing sound scholarship – are helpful in this regard.

  144. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, you got any views re Dark Emu and pottery?

  145. “putting tasers on the street is not going to protect women from men” and the statement “all men are r-pists”.”

    So what?

    Leyonhjelm did not make that equivocation. He objected to “men do X” as a sly way of accusing all men of doing X.

    The accusation “men do X” was made because the Greens were hysterical to avoid being red pilled that they should support gun rights to help women [what has gun control got to do with environmentalism anyway?].

    Then he noted that SHY was heterosexual, and it was odd for a heterosexual to be so misandric.

    To which the infantile media then accused him rather oddly of being “mysoginist”.

    The ALP appointed judge is making shit up as he goes along.

  146. bespoke

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment. That’s why we have so many clubs, spears and boomerangs. They collected evidence for their flawed theories.

    Such this were collected or recorded in other indigenous cultures plus this would be a conspiracy over years involving people not all loyal to the Crown.

  147. I’m still not sure if the court found she did say what DL said she said at 176 but its certain that dugong was given a context which latitude DL was not given.

    Exactly. The bias oozes like slime from that judgment.

  148. stackja

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3245745, posted on November 26, 2019 at 7:49 pm
    Just saying when White J was appointed, it was by Dreyfus in Rudd’s James II – esque 2nd term.

    The Hon Richard Conway WHITE Judge, Federal Court of Australia 31.08.2013

    Kevin Michael Rudd AC is an Australian former politician who was the 26th Prime Minister of Australia, serving from December 2007 to June 2010 and again from June to September 2013.

  149. Does Dark Emu have chapters on the Bradshaw Paintings, H C Sleigh’s pre-1788 business model of the Golden Fleece petroleum fuel company (for the ancient highways) or indigenous metallurgy?

  150. Billy P

    Mark A,
    All their pottery crumbled to dust when they tried to boil water in them.

  151. cohenite

    but I always thought defamation was based on loss of earnings etc (

    Loss of earnings can be one head of damages but an award for defamation can be made where no loss has occurred.

  152. Geriatric Mayfly

    Or was never collected in the first place because it didn’t fit with theories of native savage, primitive people nomads just surviving and waiting for enlightenment.

    In desert environments it would be still there for collection then, whether it be fired pottery or not.

  153. feelthebern

    Sure the DL judge was biased.
    But it sure looks like the SHY legal team shat all over the DL legal team.

  154. Nick

    Labor leader Jodi McKay has lobbied the NSW government to consider a request made by one of her constituents that daylight saving be shortened to help combat climate change.

    In the letter sent by the Strathfield MP to Energy Minister Matt Kean, Ms McKay writes that her constituent “advises that daylight saving time in NSW had made last summer too hot for walking in Hammond Park, her local park, at 8pm as the temperature at that time remained at the 40°C mark”.

    “[The constituent] has requested the duration of the daylight saving period in NSW be shortened as it has a significant impact on climate change,” Ms McKay wrote on October 11. “I await your consideration and response on this matter.”

  155. Rex Mango

    Nick, that is nuts. Daylight savings was brought in to save power during the war, so is climate change friendly.

  156. Arky

    … that daylight saving be shortened to help combat climate change.

    ..
    This could work.
    Someone start putting it out there that turning the clocks back two hours all year round will mitigate 90% of human induced climate change.
    I feel they might go for it, and I could use the sleep in.
    Someone run it past Greta.

  157. cohenite

    Anyway with DL and Anning both gone from parliament the only men left in the federal parliament are Kelly and Pauline.

  158. feelthebern

    Is that from Betoota, Nick ?

  159. Arky

    Daylight savings was brought in to save power during the war, so is climate change friendly.

    ..
    Shut up, shut up, shut up.

  160. Rex Mango

    Bolt makes very good point that everyone in the media dumped on DL, therefore SHY suffered no damage at all.

  161. cohenite

    Someone run it past Greta.

    As opposed to over the demented brat.

  162. Bruce of Newcastle

    “[The constituent] has requested the duration of the daylight saving period in NSW be shortened as it has a significant impact on climate change,” Ms McKay wrote on October 11.

    Er, how exactly?

  163. Old Lefty

    Here’s the ABC in classical KGB front mode:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-26/chinese-spy-case-the-greatest-threat-to-australian-security/11739372

    And speaking of China, Rex Mango at 7.56 calls to mind the late Douglas Darby, the eccentric MLA for Manly (who inter alia spoke with a lisp): ‘The Chinese are not a gweat people, have never been a gweat people, and never will be a gweat people until they learn to pway cwicket’.

  164. feelthebern
    #3245782, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Sure the…judge was biased

    It is utterly breathtaking that we can say this so flippantly and routinely these days.

  165. Tel

    Someone start putting it out there that turning the clocks back two hours all year round will mitigate 90% of human induced climate change.

    You appear to be recommending moving Sydney time to align with Beijing time.

    Hey, you don’t need a hand carrying Aldi bags do you? Those things can be heavy, let me take some of the weight off for you.

  166. Old Lefty

    Easy, Bruce: it fades the curtains 😉

  167. I saw a thing on Discovery Channel a few years back, the Chinese actually invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church.

  168. Hey, you don’t need a hand carrying Aldi bags do you? Those things can be heavy, let me take some of the weight off for you.

    How kind of you, delay no more!

  169. Arky

    I’m starting a movement.
    Sleep in for the Climate.
    Who’s with me?

  170. DrBeauGan

    Sure the…judge was biased

    It is utterly breathtaking that we can say this so flippantly and routinely these days.

    Judges, like politicians and journalists, regard justice, like truth, as part of an obsolete worldview that is heretical and must be stamped out.

  171. Tel

    I’m still not sure if the court found she did say what DL said she said at 176 but its certain that dugong was given a context which latitude DL was not given.

    There’s one thing in this world that is an example of absolute truth and will never change, no matter what the feminists do … it’s always the man’s fault.

    If you want to teach you kids something that they can depend on all their lives, that would be a good place to start.

  172. Nick

    Is that from Betoota, Nick ?

    Bern, for real in the SMH

  173. Arky

    Judges, like politicians and journalists, regard justice, like truth, as part of an obsolete worldview that is heretical and must be stamped out.

    ..
    Have they no conscience?

  174. Rex Mango

    The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp was Pressburger & Powell’s big wartime movie making effort. Churchill didn’t like it as he felt it made fun of the British Army, but missed the point the film was making, that the WW2 army was very different to the colonial one.

  175. stackja

    Parts of Sydney having trees knock down powerlines.
    And:

    Ausgrid
    @Ausgrid
    ·
    1h
    STORM UPDATE:
    Customers in storm impacted areas in Sydney should prepare for extended outages due to the level of damage from this afternoon’s severe storms. Power is still out to 50,000 customers. Mount Colah roofing iron left in powerlines.

  176. Tel

    Sleep in for the Climate.
    Who’s with me?

    I’ve been saving daylight all my life … dunno where the bank is but might be time to ask for a little bit paid back I feel.

    The trick is called “Daylight Spending” and it works like this: turn up an hour late to wherever you like and if questioned say, “Ooopse, aren’t I silly? I forgot to set my clock forward.”

    Turn up two hours late and say, “Oh golly, I set it backward when I should have set it forward.”

    Sleep in a bit and then claim, “It definitely ends this week, for sure it does, it’s always ended after February!”

    Do this as many times as you think you can get away with … until anyone and everyone has the shits mightily.

  177. DrBeauGan

    Have they no conscience?

    No. They are much concerned with maintaing the good opinion of the soi disant elites, but quite indifferent to their own opinion of themselves. So there is no limit to how shitty their behaviour can be, so long as it is fashionable.

  178. Rex Mango

    Easiest way to assess the SHY defamation win, is to imagine what she would’ve had to have said about him, for DL to get the same payout.

  179. Bruce of Newcastle

    I saw a thing on Discovery Channel a few years back, the Chinese actually invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church.

    All learned from Australian Aboriginals by Zheng He when he visited them in his voyages.
    Get with the program Dot.

  180. Cassie of Sydney

    “Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3245798, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:33 pm
    I saw a thing on Discovery Channel a few years back, the Chinese actually invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church.”

    Goodness Frank….haven’t you heard? It was Aborigines who invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church….thousands of years ago.

  181. Top Ender

    Thanks to those who were commenting on the supposed “racist” angle of the WWII A-bombings. Here are some paragraphs I have been working up critiquing the argument. Apologies for the length – please scroll as necessary.


    [The approving tone of public comment] changed over time, to a stage in the 1990s where he and many others were having to defend the atomic attack missions in what became an internationally famous argument about how to display his bomber in American museums. Writing of his time inspecting the proposed Smithsonian Institute commemoration of 50 years since the atomic missions, Sweeney wrote:

    Today, we veterans of World War II find ourselves confronted by a persistent and ideologically driven attempt to erode the truth of the war – to distort America’s motives, its role in the war, and the nature of the enemy we faced – not unlike the erosion of the Enola Gay, sitting stored away and forgotten for all those years.

    Why did the reverse attitude develop? There were varying agendas at work, for one. Here, for example, is the argument that the West was essentially at fault: the use of the atomic weapons was primarily a racist attack. There was a degree of this appearing the public arena around the time of the 50th anniversary of the A-bomb raids, in 1995. For example, journalist and author Mick Hume wrote an essay: “Hiroshima: remembering ‘the White Man’s Bomb’” which has been widely reprinted since. He argues essentially that:

    Two broader political considerations made up Truman’s mind. First, the politics of international power dictated that the US would definitely drop the Bomb somewhere, regardless of the state of the war. And second, the politics of racial superiority determined that that somewhere would definitely be Japan.

    Hume uses several arguments for his point: 1) the USA never contemplated using the bomb on Germany (ignoring the reality of the Trinity test explosion taking place after the German surrender; 2) that Gar Alperovitz (already discredited here) proved the Allies knew Japan was surrendering, and 3) that the USA wanted to demonstrate its power to the USSR, Asia and the world. The Japanese were the target because the USA “considered them to be a lower race”. Strangely, Hume then uses pre-combat dismissive contact with the Japanese as evidence of Western racism. The fact, demonstrated across the Pacific for three and a half years, that the Japanese were not inferior soldiers, seems to be dismissed.

    If, however, the West’s plan was intent on wiping out the Japanese as inferior, critics such as Hume seem to have further avoided logic. Japan could in fact have been devastated by firestorm raids until it was no more – that did not happen. It could have been denied any opportunity to surrender merely by destroying its command centres in Tokyo, thus denying any radio offers of capitulation – that did not happen. It could indeed have been subjugated into slavery and wholesale slaughter after the surrender – that did not happen. It is a strange racist overlord indeed who would not take advantage of such opportunities.

    Nevertheless, there have plenty of critics of the A-bomb who have argued that the attack was merely a racist move. For example, students from Hiroshima, under the leadership of activist Ceri Dingle, also in the 1990s, and for the next 20+ years, have engaged in an international mission to rally attention to the same cause:

    The school students’ mission was not to elevate nuclear weapons as uniquely destructive, dictate who can have them or demand apologies. No, it was to challenge the racial thinking that legitimised the White Man’s Bomb. They set out to tell the truth about the war – that the Japanese were viewed as vermin to be eradicated, that Japan was on its knees when this great experiment in human annihilation was conducted.

    Proponents of the “racist” cause such as Hume and Dingle routinely employ the argument that Japan would have surrendered “soon” – by the end of 1945 is the oft-touted figure. Just as routinely, they never employ any research to show how many Allied military and conquered nations personnel were dying every month: around 40,000 military personnel; 250,000 people in Japanese-held lands and not to mention the 300,000 POWS to be slaughtered as soon as the Home Island invasion began. If the war had continued until the end of 1945 then over that six months then the grim total would be 240,000 Allied military dead; 1.5 million civilians, and the POWs – 2.4 million people. And the Japanese at nine million deaths would make it 11.4 million dead – all so the world would wait for a Japanese capitulation by the end of 1945 rather than use the A-bombs.

    Speaking of students, there has been a pervasive attitude within children’s books depicting the atomic raids that they were wrong. It is hardly surprising that the children of the post-war generation have grown up with a perception that the A-bomb attacks killed thousands rather than saved millions. A small study of Western children’s books was carried out to examine this situation.

    • Not one of the books surveyed for this study mentioned that Hiroshima and Nagasaki residents were given Allied advice to evacuate their cities.
    • Not one of the books surveyed mentioned that many of the Japanese military were so keen to pursue the war they rose in rebellion against the Emperor’s surrender order.
    • Just over half – 53% – of the children’s books analysed mention the Japanese and Allied casualties which would have been incurred in a conventional invasion.
    • Pearl Harbor as a cause of the war is mentioned by the majority – 80% ¬¬– of the writers; but the invasion of China by Japan was included by just over half – 60%.
    • If the degree of blame overall for the war is averaged out, then 55% of the writers ascribed fault to the Japanese, while 45% of averaged blame saw the Allies as responsible.

    Instead writers concentrated on the individual story of despair and tragedy.

    Sources stripped out – to be published next year. Chapter 19 of the work.

  182. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    [The constituent] has requested the duration of the daylight saving period in NSW be shortened as it has a significant impact on climate change

    No mention of the terrible damage to her curtains?

  183. Sea levels in and around
    Sydney Harbour
    1886 to 2018

    An essay by Dr G M Derrick
    Brisbane, Australia
    Saltbush Club
    February 2019

    ——————————————————–

    There has been NO significant sea level rise in the harbour for the past 120 years, and what little there has been is about the height of a matchbox over a century.

    ————————————————————-

    There is absolutely no justification for a carbon tax or cap and trade system.

    None at all.

  184. Tel

    No mention of the terrible damage to her curtains?

    You dummy, it’s sleeping in that fades the curtains … waking up early means you pull the curtains out the way so they last longer.

    Less of a problem with synthetic materials that never fade.

  185. Mitch M.

    The mechanism of programmed aging: The way to creation a real remedy for senescence

    I’m not a fan of the aging clock idea and the oxidative damage paradigm has been found wanting but to this day people are stuffing themselves with antioxidants and most of those same people have never heard of reductive stress. I was browsing through my archives last week and found a study which argued high antioxidant loading drove rapidly dividing cells(skin, epithelial, gut are examples) into senescence which may explain why occasionally cancer cells can be attacked with high dose antioxidants because sometimes those cells are rapidly dividing. Horvath’s clock is evidence of an aging clock because with age DNA methylation increases. There is another mystery there I keep thinking about but it relates to how the zygote genome has near zero methylation but that slowly rises through the trimesters.

  186. Don’t forget the men getting erections on the way to work!

  187. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Thanks TE, an excellent demolition of that insidious insulting ahistorical revisionist idiocy.

    The WW2 era japs are arguably the most unrepentant racists in human history.

    They were pitiless monsters, just as evil and amoral as the nayzees and the soviets.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Goodness Frank….haven’t you heard? It was Aborigines who invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church….thousands of years ago.

    Didn’t Aborigines also invent minimum till agriculture, broad acre farming and the combine harvester…thousands of years ago?

  189. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    No, Tel – the daylight saving induced damage to the curtains takes place in the afternoons and evenings.

  190. There has been NO significant sea level rise in the harbour for the past 120 years, and what little there has been is about the height of a matchbox over a century.

    Very rough estimates of an exponential every 100 years; y = 1.7.e^x…(in cm).

    We have until 2300 until the sea level rise in Sydney harbour reaches a level less than one foot higher than what it is now.

    Anyone who is afraid of this has an utterly insipid IQ.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    stackja

    #3245716, posted on November 26, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Terry McCrann, Herald Sun just on Sky Bolta. Listen to Sky News Radio 
    Terry McCrann nominated the former treasurer Peter Costello as new Westpac chairman.

    McCrann put the boots into WBC chairman Lindsay Maxstead.

  192. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    It was Aborigines who invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church….thousands of years ago.

    That imbecile Craig Foster also claimed they invented the roundball game, which they (rather oddly) named “Woggaballiri”.

    And not, I’m not making that up. There was a post on Perfesser Bunyip’s blog about it.

  193. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    It was Aborigines who invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church….thousands of years ago.

    That imbecile Craig Foster also claimed they invented the roundball game, which they (rather oddly) named “Wo#ggaballiri”.*

    And not, I’m not making that up. There was a post on Perfesser Bunyip’s blog about it.

    *Remove the hashtag from the name. Frigging spaminator.

  194. TE. Did anyone mentioned that the number killed with the two bombs was a chickenshit number compared to the number of civilians murdered in the Pacific by JP forces?

  195. Juan

    Juan – The Pharisees complained to Pilate they weren’t allowed to execute anyone, which is why they dragged Jesus in front of him. (see John 18:31)

    Never thought I’d get into a theological debate on ‘Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog,’ but here goes.

    Acts 7:57-60 says John 18:31 is wrong. 😉
    John isn’t one of the synoptic gospels and this helpfully explains the difference:

    Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215) believed that John was written as a “spiritual Gospel” while the other three were to be taken more literally. Clement wrote, “But that John, last of all, conscious that the outward facts had been set forth in the Gospels, urged by his disciples, and divinely moved by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel.” (reported in Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. 6.14.7) Origen (c. 185-253) believed that there were irreconcilable differences between John and the Synoptics. He sought to relieve the tensions by uncovering the deeper, spiritual sense of John’s meaning through a symbolic rather than literal interpretation. For the majority of Christian history, John has been looked at as being a “spiritual Gospel” that supplemented the more historical presentation of the Synoptics. Whereas the Synoptics supply the church with a more literal history of Jesus’ life and ministry, John provides the church with a deeper, spiritual message.

    So Mark, Matthew, and Luke (and Acts) – all written by Jesus’s contemporaries – are about the facts; while John – written quite possible in the 2nd Century – is all about the ‘feels’.

  196. Muddy

    re Dark Emu:
    Technology does not develop in isolation – it affects other elements of the host society. History tells us that advances in one area have an influence on others (over varying periods of time): on social structures, economic activity, belief systems, etc. On the surface, there appears to be a lack of congruence between the complexity and breadth of indigenous technology as intimated by Pascoe (and speculated by his supporters), and descriptions of the indigenous world on first contact.

  197. JC

    Jeez, imagine if she threw an egg or even a shoe.

    A Chinese woman was sentenced to eight months in prison on Monday after being convicted in September on charges unlawfully entering President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

    U.S. District Judge Roy Altman handed down the sentence against Yujing Zhang at a hearing in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Ms. Zhang, 33, was arrested in March after trying to enter the grounds of Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort.

    She will also be subject to two years of supervised release after she has served her time in prison, though as a Chinese national she is likely to also be subject to removal from the U.S. after serving her sentence

    The president was staying at Mar-a-Largo at the time of her entry attempt—highlighting the security vulnerabilities of one of Mr. Trump’s favorite escapes from Washington.

  198. Rex Mango

    Anyone seen the NAB advert on the tele at moment? Too silly, shows this girl calling her dad to explain about some dream with goats. Then she is playing Aussie Rules, wearing a headscarf of course. Then we see her running with goats at end. SBS has it on high rotation.

  199. Juan

    I saw a thing on Discovery Channel a few years back, the Chinese actually invented cricket, cucumber sandwiches, gin and the Anglican church.”

    That would explain what they mean when they say: The future of the church is Asian!

  200. John Constantine

    Currently, the main chicom anti-aging formula is the patented black hair dye.

    Those dissenters that fall from grace and have their hair dye privilege withdrawn age before our eyes.

    [ or is it something else?.]

    Anybody feel that the chairman of the communist party of China would ban experiments on human prisoners if it was aimed at prolonging his life?.

    He might really be setting himself for a thousand year reich.

    Comrades.

  201. Rex Mango

    TE, re the atom bomb, my take has always been the weapon would’ve been ineffective if it hadn’t been used. Like walking into a knife fight with a gun and not being prepared to use it. So Oppenheimer & co said drop it into Tokyo Bay, or on Mt Fuji, but it had to be used on a real target to demonstrate the USA’s intestinal fortitude, thus 74 years of peace (ie non atomic war) and counting.

  202. Confused Old Misfit

    Regarding the climax of Australian Aboriginal culture: It is known that the Miꞌkmaq tribes (of Eastern Canada, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia) either accidentally acquired the knowledge of the craft of pottery or, more likely, it was introduced through contact with more southern and advanced tribal groups in the New England area.
    After less than 1000 yrs (from a faulty memory) they abandoned its use in favour of carrying vessels crafted from birch bark.
    Therefore, over 70,000 years, it is entirely possible for the Australian Aboriginal culture to have invented the computer and to have abandoned technology to revert to their current state.

    Every one knows this!

  203. mh

    Trump Florida rally tomorrow morning our time

    Team Trump
    @TeamTrump
    President @realDonaldTrump will host a Keep America Great rally TOMORROW at 7:00 PM EST at
    @thebbtcenter in Sunrise, Florida!

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    So Mark, Matthew, and Luke (and Acts) – all written by Jesus’s contemporaries – are about the facts

    Juan – John was an apostle, like Matthew. He wasn’t adding feels, he was including very particular aspects of Jesus teaching which where important for the understanding of the life and ministry of Jesus, who he followed along with Peter.

    As for stoning, it is quite reasonable for (a) the Romans to change their policy in the time between Jesus crucifixion and Stephen’s stoning (Josephus mentions a very similar situation) and (b) for a rush of blood to the head style incident, which seeing that the J-ws were literally screeching their heads off to not hear what Stephen was saying to them, seems quite possible. Thus there is no contradiction between the two episodes.

    I’ll add that the crucifixion of Jesus is additionally special because it fulfills prophecy:

    13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” (Gal 3:13)

    That is fulfilling Deut 21:22-23. It is also fulfilling the snake-on-a-pole episode in Numbers 21:4-9. Seeing as you say the penalty for blasphemy was stoning, to fulfill those scriptures it was actually necessary for the Romans to do the execution.

    We do have nice theological arguments on the OT sometimes, but haven’t for a while. Sadly I can’t hang around though as I’m usually up at 5:30am because of the birdsong, so I vanish from the thread around 9pm most nights.

  205. egg_

    They are much concerned with maintaing the good opinion of the soi disant elites, but quite indifferent to their own opinion of themselves. So there is no limit to how shitty their behaviour can be, so long as it is fashionable.

    All of the fashionably elite warmies in Admin at my last workplace drove SUVs – Discoveries, Touaregs, that sort of thing, as you do.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    Rex Mango

    #3245836, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    Anyone seen the NAB advert on the tele at moment? Too silly, shows this girl calling her dad to explain about some dream with goats. Then she is playing Aussie Rules, wearing a headscarf of course. Then we see her running with goats at end. SBS has it on high rotation.

    One of the ridiculous “pursue your dreams” thingys.
    Interesting that, in a week where NAB declared that they were introducing “animal welfare” standards to loan criteria, they project an image of lending to a “new venture goat farmer” who probably couldn’t spell “goat” a week ago.
    The next episode of the advert will be “bat-shit boring dad” bailing out “free spirit goat-farmer daughter”.

  207. Top Ender

    incoherent rambler.. anyone mention that the number killed with the two bombs was a chickenshit number compared to the number of civilians murdered in the Pacific by JP forces?

    Yes.

    People (civilians and defeated troops) dying in Japanese-held lands = 250,000 people a month over a 14 month period up to the end of 1946.

    Based on Newman, Robert P. Truman and the Hiroshima Cult. East Lansing: Michigan State University Press, 1995. (p. 139) Miscamble repeats the figure, and notes 200,000 to 300,000 people died each month under the Japanese following Pearl Harbor. Miscamble, Wilson D. The Most Controversial Decision. Truman, the Atomic Bombs, and the Defeat of Japan. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2011. (p. 114)

  208. Armadillo

    it was introduced through contact with more southern and advanced tribal groups in the New England

    I’d suggest you read John Oxleys diaries.

  209. egg_

    they abandoned its use in favour of carrying vessels crafted from birch bark*.

    *IIRC our Aborigines used same – not a skerrick of pottery – the best they could manage was grinding stones a la Burke & Wills.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    ABC running a Randy Andy / Epstein special.
    Managed to weave Trump into the story three times in the first 15 minutes.

  211. Leigh Lowe

    Trump, 4 mentions.
    Clinton, no mentions.

  212. mh

    Meanwhile on SBS it’s Michael Moore.

  213. Armadillo

    America showed great constraint in the circumstance of Japan. Most would have been tempted to obliterate it completely.

  214. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, want to watch that, but too busy on SBS watching Colonel Blimp.

  215. Armadillo

    I tend to think that a war weary world was a hell of a lot smarter than we will ever be.

  216. Muddy

    Armadillo
    #3245853, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    America showed great constraint in the circumstance of Japan. Most would have been tempted to obliterate it completely.

    There was a living God to consider.
    MacArthur.

  217. egg_

    waking up early means you pull the curtains out the way so they last longer.

    +1 Cardigan

  218. Snoopy

    Muddy
    #3245834, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:16 pm
    re Dark Emu:
    Technology does not develop in isolation –

    What’s the point of growing large quantities of grain without the means to store it? Pueblo Indians used pottery. Is there a lower tech method to protect grain from insects and rodents?

  219. Davey Boy

    The SMH has finally got around to publishing an article on the government’s $10k cash limit plan.

    The article mentions that “The Senate committee has attracted more than 130 submissions, with most from individuals”.

    In fact as the Senate submission site itself says, more than 2,600 submissions were received, from organisations and individuals, the Committee chose to publish just 130 as a “representative sample”.

    SMH numpties showing their ability to balance dishonesty and inaccuracy whilst having a go at the SFLs.

  220. egg_

    ABC running a Randy Andy / Epstein special.

    A Royal rogering?

  221. mh

    Rex Mango
    #3245855, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:54 pm
    Leigh L, want to watch that, but too busy on SBS watching Colonel Blimp.

    World Movies, Rex.

    SBS is showing sack of shit Michael Moore.

  222. Armadillo

    Is there a lower tech method to protect grain from insects and rodents?

    Eat it before they do.

  223. John Constantine

    Kevin Rudd says only a “big Australia” of 50 million people by 2050 can build defences against a more aggressive China

    Because filling Hong Kong with settlers from the mainland worked so well.

    Anybody asked him in real time where the rudd family found the advantage over all other investors to pick up the hundred million dollars?.

  224. egg_

    Robert O’Hara Burke and William Wills depended on the generosity of the local Yantruwanta people on their return to Cooper Creek in 1861, and were fed fish and nardoo cakes, according to State Library information.

    In the last days of their journey, after Burke upset the relationship with the locals, the pair devoted themselves to gathering the edible seeds from the nardoo fern at Cooper Creek, with no understanding of the preparation needed to remove the seeds’ toxic quality.

    As a result, the food satisfied their hunger but robbed their bodies of vitamin B1 and failed to provide any real nourishment.

    No mention of grain storage – just foraging.

  225. Leigh Lowe

    The show is called “The Prince and the Peter-file”.
    If you want a catchy alliteration, how about “The Prince, The President and The Peter-file”?

  226. egg_

    Is there a lower tech method to protect grain from insects and rodents?

    Eat it before they do.

    Leave it for bait and eat them?

  227. egg_

    Trump, 4 mentions.
    Clinton, no mentions.

    No cigar?

  228. Juan

    John was an apostle, like Matthew.

    Yes, he was an apostle, but he didn’t write the Gospel of John:

    Although the Gospel is ostensibly written by St. John the Apostle, “the beloved disciple” of Jesus, there has been considerable discussion of the actual identity of the author. The language of the Gospel and its well-developed theology suggest that the author may have lived later than John and based his writing on John’s teachings and testimonies. Moreover, the facts that several episodes in the life of Jesus are recounted out of sequence with the Synoptics and that the final chapter appears to be a later addition suggest that the text may be a composite. The Gospel’s place and date of composition are also uncertain; many scholars suggest that it was written at Ephesus, in Asia Minor, about 100 ce for the purpose of communicating the truths about Christ to Christians of Hellenistic background.

    Anyway, goodnight Bruce!

  229. egg_

    re Dark Emu:

    Too much Wild Turkey methinks.

  230. Rex Mango

    Just watching the crucial third act in Colonel Blimp and realised it is the inspiration for the Dad’s Army tv series twenty odd years later.

  231. egg_

    Sleep in for the Climate.

    Fuck for Forest (FFF)

    Advanced tree hugging.

  232. JC

    Catallaxy in the old days:

    The famous Wilt Chamberlain example in Robert Nozick’s Anarchy, State and Utopia highlights the problem. Wilt Chamberlain was a star attraction basketball player, and Nozick outlines a scenario in which Chamberlain receives 25c for every person who attends a game he plays in. If a million people attend, Chamberlain ends up with $250,000 (a lot more when the book was published in 1974 than today). Nozick’s point is about the justice of this – if the prior income distribution was just, why is Chamberlain’s wealth unjust if a million people all voluntarily give him 25c? But also few of those million people could have known what Chamberlain’s final take-home pay would be, much less how this could affect broader American wealth distribution.

    In other words. it most certainly isn’t unjust.

  233. Snoopy

    Anybody asked him in real time where the rudd family found the advantage over all other investors to pick up the hundred million dollars?

    Sheer dumb luck at first. Apparently. Therese managed to beat everyone else getting into Kevin’s boss’s new workers comp rehab program.

  234. Muddy

    Snoopy
    #3245859, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Muddy
    #3245834, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:16 pm
    re Dark Emu:
    Technology does not develop in isolation –

    What’s the point of growing large quantities of grain without the means to store it? Pueblo Indians used pottery. Is there a lower tech method to protect grain from insects and rodents?

    Surely over a period of time, a settled population of say 1,000+ would develop specialist roles (grain pickers, grain grinders, grain cake makers, etc), and society would stratify? Bartering would become more complex and need to be formalised to a degree.

    Such a population would require some type of water storage or transport, even if in close proximity to a fresh water source in order to sustain the preparation of food (nardoo cakes as someone above has mentioned).

    If there were settlements of around the 1,000-mark as Pascoe speculates, and they were successful, with access to all of the required natural resources, surely they would become a target for less well-off settlements? The conflict may initially be low-level, however conceivably the successful settlement may need to develop not only protective measures in terms of physical barriers (which need not be formal stone walls ala European-type castles), but also organise the warrior male segment of the settlement and develop basic tactics.

    Bear in mind here that we are allegedly talking about a period of 60,000+ years, so even given the geographic isolation and lack of external influence that often brings new ideas, one would imagine that circumstances themselves – a tough drought in one region which forces a number of settlements to migrate into more resource-rich areas which are already inhabited – would force innovation.

    Also, in terms of substantial domestic dwellings, these need not have been of stone and mud from ground to roof, but could have incorporated rough and low stone walls packed with earth and grass, the remainder of the wall height consisting of vegetation materials. The low wall could also have been of mud and grass, without stone. However where are the observations of early Europeans, and where is the evidence that settlements of 1,000+ would have left in resource-rich areas: the worn pathways, drainage channels, piles of stones far from the river, etc.

  235. feelthebern

    McCrann put the boots into WBC chairman Lindsay Maxstead.

    Not hard to do.
    Like the Australian political set & the public service, the corporate set is over paid & uninspiring.
    You find the best tend to end up overseas.
    I’ve read some private research saying that there are 1.6mill Aussies working overseas.
    Contrary to what a Londoner might say, they aren’t all pulling beers.
    Our best & brightest have all headed overseas.

  236. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘that the Japanese were viewed as vermin to be eradicated’

    Completely correct, and cannot be denied. They were in fact the RoP of their time.

    Caliph building, ideology-bound ferocious cannibals seeking to subjugate an entire hemisphere through terror, mass rope as well as aerial, marine and land-based suicide.

    Got off lightly in my view.

  237. feelthebern

    One of my regrets is not taking an opportunity to work overseas.
    I was offered a gig in South Africa as a stepping stone to London or HK.
    I was a pussy/idiot & turned it down.
    I feel like Tony Soprano’s dad not leaving Jersey for Las Vegas.

  238. dover_beach

    So Mark, Matthew, and Luke (and Acts) – all written by Jesus’s contemporaries – are about the facts; while John – written quite possible in the 2nd Century – is all about the ‘feels’.

    As Bruce of N says, John was very likely a disciple, the one that remained with Our Lady at the foot of the Cross while the others disappeared despairing. As for John’s Gospel being all about ‘feels’, I don’t think anyone that has read it with any care could say such a thing. Christ pulled no punches when he asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?”, in fact asked him three times, the allusions here being obvious, and foretold Peter’s sacrifice.

  239. feelthebern

    The new chair of Westpac will be a lady.
    The new CEO of Westpac will be a lady.
    Both will be external appointments.

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