Open Forum: November 30, 2019

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  1. Mater

    I can’t remember how or why, but I do remember reading more than one source that said Bennett was quite the soldier.

    At Gallipoli.

    Funny how this works, KD. Read this.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/5003191/Officer-breaks-rank-over-the-Battle-of-Crete

    The key take away:

    “You have got to realise VCs are awarded to people like Les Andrew for actual bravery. They don’t necessarily make you a born leader. Colonel Andrew should never have left that ground.

    “Even if he had withdrawn, the battle still was not lost because we still had a completely intact 23rd Battalion … and Maori Battalion … nearby.”

    He said Brigadier Hargest, if he was doing his job properly, should have immediately ordered a counter-attack on the airfield and Hill 107 by the 23rd and the 28th Maori battalions.

    “All the brigadiers I’ve ever known in a situation like that would have said … you take one step backwards and I’ll have your [email protected] I feel awful saying this about Hargest because his son was killed in my battalion later on in the war.

    “But Hargest lost the Battle of Crete right there [by not ordering the counter-attack]. If we could have held on to that vital ground [the Luftwaffe’s] 1200 planes could have done nothing.”

    Never a truer word spoken.

  2. mh

    Kamala was JC’s tip for the White House as of last Friday night.

    Kamala now needs to get back to what she does best. But let’s not go there.

  3. struth

    She’s (?) the activist that wanted her nut sack waxed.
    Now she’s (?) been knocked back at a gynaecologists.
    Look out.

    Sounds like a job for Gender Equality and Inclusion Command!

    No Muff too tuff.
    They’ll get to the bottom of this.
    There’s always a crack in the story that needs looking into.

  4. mh

    Dr.BeauGan
    #3251312, posted on December 4, 2019 at 1:11 am
    I’ve just come back from watching Knives Out and it was very good. Intelligent and witty, with a good ending. The good guys win and the bad guys lose. That’s why it’s called fiction.

    Steve Kates wrote that it was The most depraved movie I may have ever seen

  5. areff

    The credentials — not education — of an Australian National Museum indigene wallah-ette and keen supporter of Bruce “Black Sorta Like Me” Pascoe (emphasis added):

    Mariko Smith is a Yuin woman and First Nations Assistant Curator in the EECC branch of the AM.

    Mariko focuses on Indigenous community-based cultural resurgence initiatives and incorporating Indigenous ways of knowing into curatorial and artistic practices.

    Mariko’s academic and professional qualifications include a combined Bachelor degree in Arts and Laws (University of Sydney) conferred in 2005 and 2007 respectively, Graduate Diploma of Legal Practice (College of Law) conferred in 2008, Master of Museum Studies (awarded with Merit: University of Sydney) conferred in 2012, and Doctor of Philosophy from the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences at the University of Sydney (completed in December 2018 and degree to be conferred in June 2019). Her PhD thesis focused on the cultural resurgence of Aboriginal tied-bark canoe making in south- eastern Aboriginal communities, with the topic inspired by a museum’s conference event. She is also a Wingara Mura Fellow and Associate Lecturer at Sydney College of the Arts, the University of Sydney.

  6. Geriatric Mayfly

    Her PhD thesis focused on the cultural resurgence of Aboriginal tied-bark canoe making in south- eastern Aboriginal communities,

    Kayak of the Seas.

  7. feelthebern

    Ricky Gervais reply to Yaniv was gold.
    Ricky trolls her now.

  8. Dr Faustus

    “The introduction of these resources delivers a welcomed improvement to reliability and reduces the need to procure further out of market reserves.”

    The weekly margarine ration has been increased from 20 grams to 15 grams.
    Huzzah!

  9. mh

    YAZIDI SLAVE CONFRONTS ISIS CAPTOR WHO RAPED HER AND WAS THEN GIVEN REFUGEE STATUS IN GERMANY

    A former Yazidi sex slave who saw her ISIS captor on the streets of Germany after he was given refugee status was finally given the chance to confront the rapist in an emotional video.
    Ashwaq Haji Hamid was 14-years-old when she was sold as a slave after thousands of men were killed by Isla mic State terrorists in the Yazidi heartland of Mount Sinjar in 2014.
    The ISIS militant who bought her went on to beat and sexually abuse her several times a day.
    Hamid later encountered her captor on the streets of Stuttgart, Germany during which he threatened her again, saying he knew where she lived.
    Despite informing German authorities, she was told there was nothing they could do because he had been registered as a “refugee” like her…

    https://www.infowars.com/yazidi-slave-confronts-isis-captor-who-raped-her-and-was-then-given-refugee-status-in-germany/

  10. cohenite

    feelthebern
    #3251443, posted on December 4, 2019 at 8:35 am
    Jessica Yaniv at it again.
    https://twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1201665480504668162?s=11
    She’s (?) the activist that wanted her nut sack waxed.
    Now she’s (?) been knocked back at a gynaecologists.
    Look out.

    The comments responding to this shickle-shagger are very funny. There are still normal people at there folks.

  11. Dr Faustus

    In Thank God She’s Arrived news:

    Greta Thunberg ‘energised’ as she heads to COP25 climate talks after three-week voyage across Atlantic Ocean

    She says she travelled by catamaran instead of plane to “send a message it is possible” to live a sustainable lifestyle.

    Anyone accepting this as anything other than a pisstake must be dipped in hot tar.

  12. mh

    Tuesday on CNN, anchor Brianna Keilar said now that Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) has dropped out of the presidential campaign, the Democratic primary field is “older and whiter.”

    Reporter Jeff Zeleny said, “I think I was struck, Brianna, this field started in one of the most diverse fields of candidates, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Sen. Kamala Harris, Sen. Cory Booker also struggling, has not qualified for the next debate. We’re going to meet at the end of the year with a lot of older candidates, several white candidates.”

    Keilar said, “Incredible news today, Kamala Harris dropping out of the 2020 race.”

    She added, “I thought that was a really interesting point there at the end Jeff made this becomes an older and whiter field for the top tier candidates.

  13. Snoopy

    In a stark reminder that burning fossil fuels has fundamentally changed the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere, the report said the concentration of carbon dioxide hit a record 407.8 parts per million in 2018 and rose again in 2019, hovering at the highest levels seen in millions of years.

    Opening the climate summit on Monday, UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres warned that 400 parts per million had once been considered an “unthinkable” tipping point.

    How many tipping points must be exceeded before there is a tipping point to lightbulb moment?

  14. Top Ender

    Darwin has hundreds if not thousands of “long-grassers” living on the streets. What to do about the constant problems is being fought on, once again, on the pages of the local paper and on radio.

    Here are two contrasting letters from two consecutive pages of the paper:

    Sleeping rough not on

    IN my 23 years in Darwin I can’t recall a time when we had more indigenous Territorians living rough in the city of Darwin than we have now.

    I lament the fact that the Territory Government, City of Darwin and the Larrakia Association now think it is perfectly acceptable to turn a blind eye to large number of men, women and children choosing parks and our road reserves as places where they can sleep and go to the toilet.

    As a proud Catholic I support the St Vincent de Paul Society’s efforts to provide free breakfast, showers and a clean set of clothes from its facility in Stuart Park, but part of me is convinced that the growth of this service is actually enabling the lifestyle choice of the people living rough in the area.

    As a local, I am also familiar with the faces of many of these folk – they are not itinerant, they are long-term rough sleeping residents, including the delightful gent in a wheelchair that I often see reading the NT News on the grass near the Buff Club. He’s been here for three or four years now.

    I have heard the Chief Minister talk about improving ‘liveability’ for Territorians.

    A good first step here would be to seriously engage in this problem and send out a message that we will not welcome or tolerate rough sleeping anywhere in the municipality.

    This way we improve liveability for the rough sleepers, as well as the rest of us confronted by rubbish, drunkenness and the slide in the beautification of our parks and reserves.

    Long grassers used to be a term referring to a few pockets of folk who slept on the city fringes, often only for a few days at a time. Now it’s more like a small army.

    Whose job is to tell these folk to move on – to make plans for where they will sleep, and to prevent them sleeping and toileting wherever they like.

    All I hear is wall of silence on this.

    Come on Darwin, let find some solutions here to get these folk off the streets and out of the park.

    Graeme Smythe, Stuart Park

    Time to help long grassers

    SO WE have higher numbers of long grassers in Darwin town but also Katherine and Alice Springs.

    Why?

    It’s not because of the likes of Vinnies, they have been here since the ’70s, and Salvos left Stuart Park so there are probably less charitable services for rough sleepers in the city.

    What there are is more of everything else a long grasser needs. More health services, more retail choices, more cheap food and wonderfully more grog. Maybe they are coming to town in anticipation of Dan Murphy’s opening.

    What long grassers do not have are adequate health services, housing and opportunities in their home towns so is it any wonder people migrate to the bigger urban towns?

    What’s missing is when they get here there is nowhere non-discriminatory, affordable and safe for them to stay. Most are on pensions and we’ve been calling out the Government for years to raise the rate; a cheap $70 a night hotel is not an option and the AHL hostels are all full.

    And while on the old man in the wheelchair, where would a guy like him go? Every charitable accommodation service, most public housing and all the AHL hostels are grog free, so if he wants to enjoy a drink what choice does he have?

    I agree with Graeme, we need to do something as a community. We need to accept that Darwin has always had, and will always have, a long grass population. What we need to do is figure out how to make it work.

    Maybe we need a public housing model that supports family visits. Maybe we need to move away from prohibition. Maybe we need more culturally safe accommodation for people that come to town for health reasons that caters for the patients family supports.

    Maybe we need to raise the rate of the pension and stop breaching people so often. Maybe we shouldn’t show our fear and loathing towards those who don’t live like us. Maybe we should deal with all the generational trauma that our civilisation has caused. Maybe we should look people in the eye more often and say hello.

    And sad to say maybe the CLP, ALP and Terry’s mob should refrain from making a community of people a political football for their own personal gain and glory this coming election.

    Mike, Tiwi

  15. Snoopy

    Struth are you dismissing the possibility of Mariko being of Ainu aboriginal descent?

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    This story is much more important than Mr Guterres’s announcement:

    Josh Brolin burns his ‘pucker hole’ while ‘perineum sunning’ (2 Dec)

    Shattering!

  17. Mother Lode

    with many Democrat complaining they did not know what she stood for.

    She won’t stand for anything.

    However in the pursuit of political patronage she is prepared to go down on her knees or lie on her back.

  18. struth

    Is that meant to be Any or Ainu as in close to the freckle?

  19. cheap and abundant energy

    A prerequisite for … everything?

    Didn’t someone write a novel about what happens when the peasants can no longer afford their energy bills?
    Atlas something or other.

    Chairman Dan will move to fix things when the lights go out at the MCG. Not before.

  20. Tailgunner

    Kamala was JC’s tip for the White House as of last Friday night
    Hehe
    Who’s next on the JC Pick of Death wheel?
    Pete Buttigig? Lol

  21. Mother Lode

    Trump will be impeached, but will it matter in 2020?

    I see on the BBC banner that there is a report from the house where the evidence for Trump’s impeachment is overwhelming.

    Were they holding another inquiry besides the train wreck that that the whole world got to see?

  22. Mater

    Chairman Dan will move to fix things when the lights go out at the MCG. Not before.

    What about “The light on the hill“? It seems to be flickering.

    “I try to think of the Labor movement, not as putting an extra sixpence into somebody’s pocket, or making somebody Prime Minister or Premier, but as a movement bringing something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people. We have a great objective – the light on the hill – which we aim to reach by working the betterment of mankind not only here but anywhere we may give a helping hand. If it were not for that, the Labor movement would not be worth fighting for.”

  23. struth

    The poor innocent long grassers.

    Black fellas screaming at each other from one end of Mitchell street to the other and the tourists getting humbugged and abused, by the drunk and stinking.

    Walking in front of cars and just being total shitheads, crapping on the street, and everyone just tolerates it.
    It’s what happens when Darwin which should be renamed Publicservantistan , is full of Arseholes who think being there for two years makes them a local that knows it all.
    Top Ender would be one of the last hundred or so people thee, that could tell you what the Hotel Darwin looked like on the inside.

  24. mh

    Kamala was JC’s tip for the White House as of last Friday night

    I better correct that – Dem nominee.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Struth are you dismissing the possibility of Mariko being of Ainu aboriginal descent?

    “Her mother bin eat white bread.” was the old saying.

  26. mh

    I wonder who Tulsi will totally wreck at the next candidate debate?

    Warren, I hope.

  27. Cassie of Sydney

    “Feelthebern
    #3251445, posted on December 4, 2019 at 8:35 am
    Jessica Yaniv
    @trustednerd
    So a gynaecologist office that I got referred to literally told me today that “we don’t serve transgender patients.”

    And me, being me, I’m shocked.. and confused… and hurt.

    Are they allowed to do that, legally? Isn’t that against the college practices?
    @cpsbc_ca”

    Jonathan Yaniv is a serial pest, serial pervert and a serial creep and HE should have been arrested and charged a long time ago. So now, having lost HIS “human rights case” re. the waxing episodes…HE now moves on to targeting gynecologists. Inevitable I guess.

    Jonathan Yaniv…when interviewed by Blaire White…said HE menstruated. What’s the bet that soon HE will say that HE is pregnant or that HE has ovaries.

    Once upon a time…not too long ago…society would have rightly ridiculed this man. The fact that HE continues to waste taxpayer’s money pursuing legal cases because HIS feelings get hurt is a sad indictment of how far the west has sunk into depravity and utter nonsense. This creepy man, who fantasises about teenage girls and tampons hanging out of girl’s vaginas….should be locked up..either in a prison or in a mental hospital…but instead he is allowed to harass, target and prey on REAL women and girls. But that’s the progressive left for you….according respectability to a pervert.

    This man called Jonathan Yaniv is NOT a woman, has never been a woman and will never be a woman.

  28. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    from above linky

    Most of the world was introduced to the practice of “perineum sunning” last month, when an Instagram health influencer who goes by Ra of Earth posted a now-viral video of three naked men lying on the grass with their legs up, exposing their backsides to the sun.

    what kind of beta is “influenced” by a she-male that goes by the name Ra of Earth?!?!?

  29. Tailgunner

    Hillary has stormed back into the second line of betting, in from 34 yesterday to 15/1 today.
    Go Crooked,GO!

  30. struth

    Ainu from Hokkaido.

    Although I know you are having a laugh,………………….and it is funny.
    I’ve just had a gutful of white people claiming to be black!
    They’re fucking white, for Chist’s sake………………………………….is the world so insane??????

    She’s not aboriginal.
    She’s fucking white!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!%%%%&&&&@@!!!!!!????

  31. feelthebern

    LOL.

    Ricky Gervais
    @rickygervais
    It’s disgusting that a qualified gynaecologist can refuse to check a lady’s cock for ovarian cancer. What if her bollocks are pregnant? She could lose the baby. I’m outraged.

  32. stackja

    Cassie – Jonny is great at playing the MSM.

  33. Tailgunner

    I wonder who Tulsi will totally wreck at the next candidate debate?

    Warren, I hope.

    I was worried about lil Mikey for awhile there. Until he actually started standing&speaking.
    My intuition tells me that they will indeed wheel out the Hillbot 2.0 for another tilt after the rest of the clown show go down in a flaming heap.
    15/1 – now there’s something I can get excited about!

  34. feelthebern

    Hillary has stormed back into the second line of betting, in from 34 yesterday to 15/1 today.
    Go Crooked,GO!

    The rules don’t apply for Hillary.
    As long as she meets each states ballot paper deadline, that’s all that matters.
    She can turn up to the convention, declare & walk away with the nominate then.

  35. Tailgunner

    Struth, it’s ClownWorld mate, calm down.
    Honk honk
    🤡🤡

  36. stackja

    Why do Aborigines allow whites to steal from them?

  37. johanna

    Misfit, just catching up, very best wishes for your treatment and recovery.

    It is true that for the most, our public health system is not yet as bad as the NHS. Unfortunately, the trend is in that direction. Politicians are gutless and gormless when it comes to health policy, always preferring to write another cheque and cut another ribbon.

    FGS, they can’t even get a new hospital built without massive cost over-runs and a dysfunctional end product. How hard can it be? There are hundreds of thousands of hospitals in the world, it’s not as if they have to invent the wheel. But somehow it gets screwed up every single time.

  38. Mother Lode

    @ewarren
    Thank you @KamalaHarris for your commitment to fighting for the people, for justice, and to holding Donald Trump accountable.

    Kamala is right—our system is deeply broken when billionaires can buy their way in. I’ll fight with you to make sure our government works for all of us. https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1201929958496571392

    Bwahahahaaa!

    Trump didn’t buy his way in.

    He was up against the staggering, tottering, organ-coughing, gooey-eyed old lush with moneybags topped up from all over the world. Besides a twitter account and a rare gift for distilling personal and political flaws into 140 characters, it was the Dimocrats that were the most effective marketing tool for Trump. And their useful idiots the MSM. They none of them could conceive that people didn’t believe everything they said.

    And they still don’t get it.

    Remember how CNN used to tout itself as ‘the most trusted name in news’? More people watch the shopping channel for thermomixes, and amazing bras that lift, shape, and give the time on three continents* than watch CNN.

    *And if you buy now, you get a second one absolutely FREE!

  39. stackja

    HRC and RBG will save the USA from DT!

  40. struth

    Breath in….breath out……look at the lovely birdies struth…….look st the lovely birdies……..hummmmmmmmmmm

  41. feelthebern

    Trump won in 2016 despite the GOP.
    Imagine his landslide in 2020 when they don’t sabotage him.

  42. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    In regard to economic policy, socialism and communism are identical.

    — Ludwig von Mises

    Lenin socialism needed Stalin Gulags.

  43. feelthebern

    The Democrat ticket for 2020 will be…..drum roll….Clinton/Tulsi.

    Unites the Democratic party.
    Pathway for continuity.
    You heard it here first.

  44. lotocoti

    Maybe we should deal with all the generational trauma that our civilisation has caused.

    All this It’s not you, it’s me malarkey is bollocks on stilts.

  45. Tel

    I wonder who Tulsi will totally wreck at the next candidate debate?

    Warren, I hope.

    Yup, hope she totally derails Warren’s campaign of dishonesty and then says, “Look how few women are even in the race here!”

    The Dems are running the worst candidates of all time. Sanders is leading the race, and he isn’t even a real Democrat and he’s an old white guy with a barely operational circulatory system. Doesn’t that tell you there’s a problem with this party?

  46. mh

    😆

    Tulsi Gabbard

    @TulsiGabbard
    Sending my best wishes to @KamalaHarris, her family & supporters who have campaigned so hard. While we disagree on some issues, we agree on others & I respect her sincere desire to serve the American people. I look forward to working together on the challenges we face as a nation

  47. feelthebern

    How come in the UK it’s Labour.
    & in Oz it’s Labor?

    What’s the history of that ?

  48. calli

    Did you get to Valparaiso at all?

    Tomorrow. After a wineries crawl.

    Chilean wine is a revelation. Lots of good stuff. Had a Cab Sav at dinner that was as smooth as silk and luscious in flavour. And reasonably priced too.

    You don’t have to be loaded to live well.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What’s the history of that ?

    Simple. There is no room for “U” in the Australian Labor Party. You’re welcome.

  50. feelthebern

    Zulu wins the interwebs today.

  51. EvilElvis

    No Mariko is as Asian as her Japanese Name suggests, and even then it’s only slightly.
    She is white and she is not aboriginal.
    We used to call these people liars.
    Because that’s what the are.
    She’s a dirt white liar rolling around in our tax dollars.
    Trump would call her Truganini Smith.

    Surely Australia is the most head fucked, as in mentally retarded country, in the world.

    How many of these idiots happily shun their 85% plus heritage to fully embrace something they are clearly not, especially culturally. It’s complete and utter retardation. Apart from money, what’s the big story, it’s not like these clowns that are whiter than my left nut are ever going to be seen with real Aboriginals.

  52. Roger

    How come in the UK it’s Labour.
    & in Oz it’s Labor?

    What’s the history of that ?

    American ratbag, spelling reform enthusiast and sometime Labor Party parliamentarian King O’Malley is responsible.

  53. struth

    There’s no U in collectivist.

  54. Shy Ted

    Jeff Fenech going to donate his brain for scientific research.
    He has symptoms of but they have a fancy new name for it.
    Can Cats think of anyone who should donate their brains? To protect the innocent, no names please, just numbers.

  55. calli

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3251497, posted on December 4, 2019 at 9:55 am
    This story is much more important than Mr Guterres’s announcement:

    Josh Brolin burns his ‘pucker hole’ while ‘perineum sunning’ (2 Dec)

    Good grief! What is wrong with these @rseholes?

  56. Diogenes

    ur system is deeply broken when billionaires can buy their way in.

    Trump at least made his money before entering politics, unlike nearly all of the Democrat millionaires club

  57. jo

    Here is scoldilocks The real gretaThis her at her best, well someone elses best.

  58. Tom

    Bern, the Poms stuck with the traditional English spelling of Labour; the ALP went with the American spelling, Labor.

  59. struth

    The reports from the early settlers confirm they were appalled at the level of sunburn on all the white aboriginals they encountered

  60. Dr Faustus

    Josh Brolin burns his ‘pucker hole’ while ‘perineum sunning’

    Thanks for sharing, BoN.
    Had no idea that ‘perineum sunning’ was a thing – that’s very specialist knowledge.

    The Cat: where you learn things that you cannot then unlearn…

  61. struth

    Can Cats think of anyone who should donate their brains? To protect the innocent, no names please, just numbers.

    Well his is “as new”

  62. Tom

    Calli, are you taking a cruise to Cape Horn/Punta Arenas/Ushuaia or back to north America?

  63. Roger

    Trump at least made his money before entering politics, unlike nearly all of the Democrat millionaires club

    Former Haitian Senate president calls Clintons “common thieves”.

    I’d say that’s an insult to thieves.

    Vultures gorging on human misery would be more apt.

  64. Cardimona

    Labor votes for the repeal of Medevac.

  65. Cardimona

    Ducking automistake.
    Labor = Lambie

  66. feelthebern

    Kevin Rudd should donate his brain.
    We need to know the biology of someone who can never be elected to anything ever again.

  67. Cardimona

    Di Nutterly did his nut.
    Lambie did a lot of sooking.
    Truly bizarre scenes in the Senate.

  68. 8th Dan

    Of course, “La Vagabonde” consumed no energy in its production, nor does the outboard motor on its stern do anything useful – it’s there for decoration. And when the beastly vessel reaches the end of its useless, vainglorious life, it will be yet another layer in the West’s landfill midden.

    Not exactly the Beagle.

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Greens: A ‘shameful detention regime’

    Greens Senator Nick McKim is up again and he takes aim at the Morrison government for its track record on transparency.

    Let’s be clear about something about Australia’s shameful offshore detention regime, this dark, foul and bloody chapter in our country’s history,” he says. “It was designed with secrecy in mind. It was designed to be secret. It was designed to put people onto Manus Island and Nauru, out of sight of the Australian people.”

    He argues that details of the Morrison government’s deal with crossbencher Senator Jacqui Lambie should be made public.

    “The people in offshore detention need our help. They desperately need our help and Senator Lambie and the government today are going to vote to put decisions on whether people should be transferred for medical conditions back in the hands of the minister who repeatedly has shown that he will fight tooth and nail, including in our courts, to prevent people getting the treatment they need, and deaths have resulted.”

    From the Oz. The “dummy spit of the day” award goes to the Greens.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Democrat ticket for 2020 will be…..drum roll….Clinton/Tulsi.

    @TulsiGabbard
    Sending my best wishes to @KamalaHarris

    I love this stuff.

    Democratic debate: Tulsi Gabbard criticizes Hillary Clinton, Democratic party ‘rot’ (21 Nov)

    ATLANTA — Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard criticized 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, prompting a sharp back-and-forth with Sen. Kamala Harris.

    The congresswoman from Hawaii and California senator were among 10 Democratic candidates debating Wednesday night in Atlanta.

    Gabbard doubled down on earlier comments that Clinton represents the “personification of the rot in the Democratic Party.” She says the party is influenced by a “foreign policy establishment” that supports regime-change wars. She calls it the “Bush, Clinton, Trump foreign policy doctrine.”

    Harris responded by saying it’s unfortunate to have a candidate on stage who criticizes President Barack Obama on Fox News, “buddied up” to Trump adviser Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Trump and wouldn’t call out a war criminal.

    Gabbard then accused Harris of “smears and innuendo.”

    Two weeks and Kamala has gone from zero to hero! I doubt that Hillary would ever hook up with Tulsi though. Not after this. Arkancide seems much more likely.

  71. 8th Dan

    Any competent government would be negotiating a price drop with t
    Hosle Australian subs aa Trump did with Lockheed,

    Any intelligent government would cancel the deal.

    There are termination clauses built into the contract. It could be cancelled today for a fee of $404M AUD. Where’s Dan of Victoria when we need him?

  72. mh

    The Turnbull/Phelps damage to our border security is now being repaired.

    Small wins.

  73. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Matter of conscience’

    Crucial crossbench Senator Jacqui Lambie says she is voting to repeal medivac because it is a “matter of conscience” and she is satisfied that the conditions that led to the legislation being passed aren’t the same today.

    “The world in which this vote takes place is different and I thank the Government for working productively with me to get that. I get that this vote will disappoint many and I apologise for that,” Senator Lambie says.

    “This is a matter of conscience. I can’t let the boats start back up and I can’t let refugees die, whether it’s sinking into the ocean or waiting for a doctor and I am voting to make sure that neither of these things happen.”

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    struth, earlier:

    ‘The Hotel Darwin’

    The Green Room!

    #testpatternisbrucepascoe

  75. Mother Lode

    The tranny trying to get in to see a gynaecologist:

    And me, being me, I’m shocked.. and confused… and hurt.

    Are they allowed to do that, legally? Isn’t that against the college practices?

    I suspect there are absolutely no practice at colleges for treating the uterus of someone who does not have one.

    (Well, there might be now. Mostly a verbal accompaniment doing nothing while avoiding any phrasing explaining why.)

    There is the current crop of people suffering from reality dysphoria – insisting on their legal right to the physically impossible.

  76. struth

    Lest we forget

    Australian people were not asked if they wanted Multiculturalism, it was forced on them.
    Australian people were not asked if we should sign the Paris agreement, but it was signed regardless.
    Australian people were not asked about Moooooooossie immigration but has had it forced on them. Australian people were not asked if the wanted massive immigration of hundreds of thousands a year.
    etc etc.
    However the Australian people know full well who inflicted us with these things and the consequences they inflict, from poverty, to loss of culture and through to loss of life in terrorist activity.

    Our politicians not only have blood on their hands, the have Australian blood, poverty and misery on their hands.
    These people, like the old slapper lezzo doctor who introduced the medivac bill to Parliament, should be charged as an accomplice to any act of violence, perpetuated by those criminals she insidiously had brought in.
    Just as an example.

  77. Juan

    ICYMI, Eternity News asked ‘Should Christians acknowledge country when they meet?’ and published the cases for and against:

    Chris McLeod for the ayes: Yes: ‘It’s a mark of respect’; and

    Mark Powell for the noes: No: ‘Not in church’.

    Then followed:

    Daryl McCullough’s rebuttal of Powell’s case against: ‘Ten reasons why – a response to Mark Powell’;

    Mark Powell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘The piece Eternity refused to publish’; and

    Nathan Campbell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal:
    ‘Why Christians must never acknowledge an altar to an unknown god’.

    I have a feeling the debate isn’t finished and we may yet see a rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal.

    Full disclosure on the protagonists:

    Chris McLeod is the National Aboriginal Bishop of the Anglican Church of Australia.

    Mark Powell is the Associate Pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Community Church in Sydney but is probably better known as a Spectator Australia contributor.

    Daryl McCullough the Rector of West Wyalong Anglican Church and Secretary of the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Anglican Council, a member of the Steering Committee of the Anglican Indigenous Network, and blogs at the Catholic Evangelical.

    Nathan Campbell is Campus Pastor of Creek Road Presbyterian Church’s Southbank Campus and blogs at st-eutychus.com.

  78. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3251572, posted on December 4, 2019 at 11:02 am
    The Turnbull/Phelps damage to our border security is now being repaired.

    Small wins.”

    Amen and good riddance to the putrid Phelps legacy. That verminous and utterly despicable woman….only in parliament for seven months…seven months too long. But I reckon she is going to run again…such is her narcissism…she now spends her time whingeing about how she lost by only a few votes…conveniently forgetting of course that she only won by a few votes in the by-election in October 2018.

  79. Cassie of Sydney

    “I suspect there are absolutely no practice at colleges for treating the uterus of someone who does not have one.”

    Discrimination!

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cormann ‘misleading’ Senate

    A furious Richard Di Natale blasts Finance Minister Mathias Corman for “misleading” the parliament after he claimed a “secret deal” had not been struck with crucial crossbench Senator Jacqui Lambie.

    “We’ve just heard conflicting accounts. We had Minister Cormann say that there was no deal. Now we’ve just heard Senator Lambie say there is a deal. Who’s lying?,” the Greens leader says.

    From the Oz. STFU, Di Natale. No – one cares.

  81. Dr Faustus

    The Democrat’s 300-page impeachment report.

    “This report reflects nothing more than their frustrations. Chairman Schiff’s report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing,” Ms Grisham [White House spokesthing] said.

    The interesting things to me are:

    After two weeks of ground preparation by Giuliani, Trump’s private counsel, the POTUS has a very mild and inconsequential telephone discussion with the Ukranian President;

    The discussion is knowingly held in the electronic presence of a bunch of Administration Ukraine diplomatic/military hacks, known to be Dem-partisan, who could be relied on to promptly whistle-blow and then weep convincingly while testifying that Trump betrayed America and is worse than Stalin;

    The Trump inner circle remains amazingly insouciant during the predictable Democratic impeachment inquiry – all the while fanning the flames of outrage by refusing to engage;

    Trump has laid out extensive Twitter chaff, pointing to the process failure of the Schiff Inquiry and the duty of the POTUS to root out corruption, wherever he finds it.

    Could be faith in the eventual reward of due process.
    Could be overreach on steroids.
    Also could be a setup for the very stupid.

    Whatever, one would imagine the House Democrats are a-hopin’ and a-prayin’ that there actually is nothing forensic to link Biden Sn to his son’s established pattern of unjustified enrichment.

  82. Juan

    ICYMI, Eternity News asked ‘Should Christians acknowledge country when they meet?’ and published the cases for and against:

    Chris McLeod for the ayes: Yes: ‘It’s a mark of respect’; and

    Mark Powell for the noes: No: ‘Not in church’.

    Daryl McCullough’s rebuttal of Powell’s case against: ‘Ten reasons why – a response to Mark Powell’;

    Mark Powell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘The piece Eternity refused to publish’; and

    Nathan Campbell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘Why Christians must never acknowledge an altar to an unknown god’.

    I have a feeling the debate isn’t finished and we may yet see a rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal.

    Full disclosure on the protagonists:

    Chris McLeod is the National Aboriginal Bishop of the Anglican Church of Australia.

    Mark Powell is the Associate Pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Community Church in Sydney but is probably better known as a Spectator Australia contributor.

    Daryl McCullough the Rector of West Wyalong Anglican Church and Secretary of the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Anglican Council, a member of the Steering Committee of the Anglican Indigenous Network, and blogs at catholicevangelical.com.

    Nathan Campbell is Campus Pastor of Creek Road Presbyterian Church’s Southbank Campus, and blogs at st-eutychus.com.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    Can Cats think of anyone who should donate their brains?

    Keith Richards.
    Anyone who works out how his brain still manages to operate will win a Nobel for Medicine.

  84. Juan

    ICYMI, Eternity News asked ‘Should Christians acknowledge country when they meet?’ and published the cases for and against:

    Chris McLeod for the ayes: Yes: ‘It’s a mark of respect’; and

    Mark Powell for the noes: No: ‘Not in church’.

    Daryl McCullough’s rebuttal of Powell’s case against: ‘Ten reasons why – a response to Mark Powell’;

    Mark Powell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘The piece Eternity refused to publish’; and

    Nathan Campbell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘Why Christians must never acknowledge an altar to an unknown god’.

    I have a feeling the debate isn’t finished and we may yet see a rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal.

    Full disclosure on the protagonists:

    Chris McLeod is the National Aboriginal Bishop of the Anglican Church of Australia.

    Mark Powell is the Associate Pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Community Church in Sydney but is probably better known as a Spectator Australia contributor.

    Daryl McCullough the Rector of West Wyalong Anglican Church and Secretary of the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Anglican Council, a member of the Steering Committee of the Anglican Indigenous Network, and blogs at catholicevangelical.com.

    Nathan Campbell is Campus Pastor of Creek Road Presbyterian Church’s Southbank Campus, and blogs at st-eutychus.com.

  85. classical_hero

    BoN, if only Hunter himself had pulled out.

  86. feelthebern

    It’s amazing what deals are done to get a suitable VP on the ticket.
    It will be a lot of Clinton saying, Tulsi is right.
    Clinton can say anything & establishment Dems will still vote for her.
    Zero chance of her beating the Donald.

  87. EvilElvis

    These people, like the old slapper lezzo doctor who introduced the medivac bill to Parliament, should be charged as an accomplice to any act of violence, perpetuated by those criminals she insidiously had brought in.

    Yep, and the voters flicked her. Let’s not dwell on for what though…

    So, struth, when do the faceless bureacrats who undermine and drive this frogshit eventually get it though? The revolving door of parliament gives us a false sense of change but the same slime behind the scenes is driving this convoy of crappola.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    Speaking of such things, it appears that too many people are donating their corpses to science.

    Cadaver scandal in medical school in France: some sold, hundreds abandoned to decay (29 Nov)

    Descartes University, one of the leading medical faculties of the French capital, Paris, revealed that thousands of cadavers donated for use in scientific studies were left to rot and organs sold to private companies.

    According to the newspaper L’Express, the school’s medical faculty, which dates back to the 1970s, left thousands of cadavers donated to one another in a row to decay for use in scientific studies. It was determined that some cadavers were gnawed by mice and some were sold to private companies.

    It was learned that the employees earned about 760 euros from a cadaver and about 340 euros from the sale of a limb.

    There’d be a ready market amongst a certain New Zealand demographic.

    New Zealand man charged with stealing human toes from dead body exhibition (2018)

    a New Zealand man has been charged with stealing two human toes from an exhibition displaying human corpses and organs.

    The 28-year-old appeared in the Auckland District Court today before a Community Magistrate charged with stealing two deceased human toes from the Body Worlds Vital exhibition in Auckland on May 4.

    The toes, which have been returned to the exhibition, are valued at NZ$5,500 (US$3,813), according to court documents.

    Toes are very valuable.

  89. Juan

    Komrades, this is unacceptable

    Occupational distribution of Men and Women in US Labor Force

    Speaking of who’s fit to do what, in America:

    https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/the-looming-national-security-crisis-young-americans-unable-serve-the-military

  90. feelthebern

    What’s a gyno meant to say when the trannies hairy c0ck & b*lls flop out?

  91. feelthebern

    If there is a deal with Lambie, we need to know what it is.

  92. calli

    Tom, I’m on the MS Zaandam, Valpariso to Montevideo.

    We pop onto Stanley as well. Lots of lovely carbins burned. I wonder how many faux alarmists I will meet on board. They are most entertaining.

  93. Juan

    ICYMI, Eternity News asked ‘Should Christians acknowledge country when they meet?’ and published the cases for and against:

    Chris McLeod for the ayes: Yes: ‘It’s a mark of respect’; and

    Mark Powell for the noes: No: ‘Not in church’.

    Daryl McCullough’s rebuttal of Powell’s case against: ‘Ten reasons why – a response to Mark Powell’;

    Mark Powell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘The piece Eternity refused to publish’; and

    Nathan Campbell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘Why Christians must never acknowledge an altar to an unknown god’.

    I have a feeling the debate isn’t finished and we may yet see a rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal.

    Full disclosure on the protagonists:

    Chris McLeod is the National Aboriginal Bishop of the Anglican Church of Australia.

    Mark Powell is the Associate Pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Community Church in Sydney but is probably better known as a Spectator Australia contributor.

    Daryl McCullough is the Rector of West Wyalong Anglican Church and Secretary of the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Anglican Council, a member of the Steering Committee of the Anglican Indigenous Network, and blogs at catholicevangelical.com.

    Nathan Campbell is the Campus Pastor of Creek Road Presbyterian Church’s Southbank Campus, and blogs at st-eutychus.com.

  94. John64

    These people, like the old slapper lezzo doctor who introduced the medivac bill to Parliament, should be charged as an accomplice to any act of violence, perpetuated by those criminals she insidiously had brought in.

    I have a small smile this morning; knowing that the reprehensible Kerryn Phelps has now not a single accomplishment to crow about from her 8 months in Federal Parliament. NOT. A. SINGLE. BLOODY. THING.

    Same goes for Julia Banks.

  95. calli

    Bern

    Oh, my! Let me warm up the speculum. It won’t hurt a bit.

  96. feelthebern

    Same goes for Julia Banks.

    What a retard.

  97. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    full R. Spalding interview, long but fascinating

  98. Mark A

    calli
    #3251600, posted on December 4, 2019 at 11:28 am

    Bern

    Oh, my! Let me warm up the speculum. It won’t hurt a bit.

    Oh, you are an old fashioned country doctor?
    Never heard of the newfangled endoscope camera?
    Can use your Android camera even.

  99. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3251605, posted on December 4, 2019 at 11:33 am
    Same goes for Julia Banks.

    What a retard.”

    Yep…a pernicious retard though. I suspect that Banks really thought that not only would she win against Hunt in May, that Phelps would also be re-elected in Wentworth, that Skank Steggall would win against Abbott (sadly proved correct) and that there would be this precious little cohort of leftist independents in Parliament constantly upsetting the apple cart. I have no doubt that Banks imagined herself, Phelps, Skank Steggall, Sharkie and the Indy independent causing mayhem and harm to those beastly Liberals.

  100. struth

    So, struth, when do the faceless bureacrats who undermine and drive this frogshit eventually get it though? The revolving door of parliament gives us a false sense of change but the same slime behind the scenes is driving this convoy of crappola.

    The relevant minister is where the blame lies.
    Too many are not taking control of the departments we voted them in to control.

    And they are using bullshit excuses.
    “We can’t do anything about the ABC”
    It’s as ridiculous as “we can’t repeal the medivac legislation”
    The ABC is a government department and it can be immediately defunded.
    On a Minister’s whim, it doesn’t need an act of parliament at all.

    As we see with the farmers fighting the Murray Darling Scheme, talking to the head of the Nationals.

    The plea from the populous is “DO SOMETHING”

    They can’t because the level of corruption that requires the status quo to be maintained is plainly obvious.

    Besides the China and UN Aldi bags, the corruption and crony activity is on such a large scale the voters are now just an annoyance to those that now inhabit what was once called a seat in parliament, but should now be called a get rich quick scheme.

  101. Juan

    ICYMI, just under a week ago Eternity News asked Should Christians acknowledge country when they meet?

    Boy, did it escalate quickly!

    The latest installment is Nathan Campbell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘Why Christians must never acknowledge an altar to an unknown god’.

    This followed Mark Powell’s rebuttal of the rebuttal: ‘The piece Eternity refused to publish’; which was published on Caldron Pool because, as the title suggests, Eternity News refused to publish it. Mark Powell is of course well known as a Spectator Australia contributor.

  102. calli

    All the girls here know what I’m talking about Mark A. If the doc wants to use the beastly thing on a bloke, he should at least warm it up.

    In the interests of human kindness. 😁

    The orifice might be a problem though.

  103. johanna

    Another example of jackbooted local government, this time in Gippsland:

    If legislated, the council would ban the use of motorbikes on Sundays and outside the hours of 7:00am and 6:00pm, aiming to reduce noise.

    Landowners would also need to apply for permits to operate recreational vehicles at all, unless the property was deemed to be a commercial farm.

    and

    Under the proposed legislation, transportation of rubbish would be banned unless the vehicle was built for purpose.

    This means conveying general waste, manure, animal remains or “offensive matter” with a tractor, or in the back of a ute, will be outlawed.

    Ms Prime said restricting farmers ability to remove dead animals from paddocks shows the council’s lack of understanding of agriculture.

    All this from a council which the State government sacked recently because it was a dysfunctional mess. It’s not clear where these stupid proposals are coming from, as the council is supposed to be run by administrators at present. Are they a legacy of the sacked morons, or are the administrators taking over the title?

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hypocrisy award of the day goes to Tanya Plibersek, who condemns the failure of the Australian school system under the policies she has been pushing for years.

    Saw this on Seven news just now. Breathtaking.

    Maybe, Tanya, the kiddies could have something other than leftist fantasies taught to them?

  105. Dr Faustus

    The orifice might be a problem though.

    A morning of scorched and fissured rings.
    How people suffer for their personal versions of wellbeing,

  106. Tom

    Big Tech is deciding how much it will have to pay to buy Canberra:

    The Morrison government is concerned about forcing digital giants to pay media companies for using their journalism out of fear they could be interpreted as new taxes, as it moves to respond to the ACCC’s landmark report into digital platforms’ impact on journalism.

    Sources close to the government indicate one major concern of Communications Minister Paul Fletcher and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg in responding to the ACCC’s final report is the prospect of forcing digital platforms to pay revenue to media companies or the government — and those measures being interpreted as a new tax.

    As well as a perception of a Liberal government placing new taxes on digital companies, there is also concern that companies such as Facebook and Google could ­relocate their activities offshore, resulting in a loss of local revenues and jobs. The government has a preference for any new revenue sharing to be done at a global level to prevent loss of revenue or jobs locally.

    One of the recommendations of the ACCC’s final report into digital platforms was that Google and Facebook enter into a code of conduct with media companies to monitor and regulate the use of their journalism.

    According to ACCC boss Rod Sims, this could include a new revenue stream to media companies, with Google and Facebook forced to pay for the use of original journalism.

    The Australian reported this week that the government was preparing to delay the response to the digital platforms inquiry that it had previously promised to release by the end of the year.

    The Australian understands that although cabinet was slated to review the response this week, it is yet to do so and it may not happen until next week.

    The response is being managed by Mr Frydenberg, Mr Fletcher and Attorney-General Christian Porter with the final response document not yet complete. Amid the delay, industry group Digi and Google have engaged in increased lobbying activity to soften the government’s response to the report, with the likes of Newgate, Nick Campbell’s APAC Nexus Group and TG Endeavour lobbying for the digital giant.

    TG Endeavour includes Scott Morrison’s former policy director Brendan Tegg and former Labor communications minister Stephen Conroy.

    Despite Facebook having a registered lobbyist in Canberra, the company claims it has not employed any lobbyists to influence the government’s outcome on the ACCC report. “We currently have absolutely no lobbyists, we’re not paying anyone for the ACCC matter or any related matters in Australia,” the spokesman said.

    Facebook has hit back at claims it is trying to stonewall the ACCC’s digital platforms inquiry, telling The Australian it supports most of the watchdog’s recommendations and has made no attempts to delay their implementation. A Facebook spokeswoman said in a statement that the company supports 15 of the 29 recommendations, and outright opposes only five.

    However, in its response to the ACCC’s final report, Facebook ­accused the regulator of “inaccurate” and “speculative analysis” based on “factual errors” and a misunderstanding of how digital platforms operated.

    Facebook also objected to any revenue or data-sharing code of conduct with media organisations.

    Facebook claimed the code — which media organisations have welcomed — would “unfairly shelter media” companies that didn’t need the protection of a regulator.

  107. classical_hero

    The best trolling the Guardian is this headline by Diane Abbott. We must eradicate the three biggest causes of inequality: racism and privilege.

  108. WokDoctor:

    Delayed flight into Melbourne, apparently the weather. Jetstar this time. Was windy but seen & landed in a lot worse… Wonder if they are having problems with crewing issues, aquintence in the bussiness says pilots are becoming harder to find…

    They should be easy to find – they be the blokes/blokettes in fancy uniforms and funny hats in the pointy bit up front.

  109. Mark A

    calli
    #3251612, posted on December 4, 2019 at 11:47 am

    All the girls here know what I’m talking about Mark A. If the doc wants to use the beastly thing on a bloke, he should at least warm it up.

    Right you are of course.
    I have an indelicate question re. gynecologists that I will ask late at night, nothing nasty just curious.

  110. Mother Lode

    Ducking automistake.
    Labor = Lambie

    There is a locale with a sign on the road between Bathurst and Lithgow.

    It says “Mt Lambie”.

    Each time I pass it I read it aloud as if an offer.

    And always answer the negative.

  111. Tel

    Hypocrisy award of the day goes to Tanya Plibersek, who condemns the failure of the Australian school system under the policies she has been pushing for years.

    Saw this on Seven news just now. Breathtaking.

    Government always needs more money and more power … to fix the problems they created.

    Break your legs, give you a crutch and then say, “Hey without me you wouldn’t be able to walk!”

  112. They should be easy to find …

    “This man needs a hospital.”

    “What is it Doctor?”

    “It’s a big white building where sick people go”

    How we miss Leslie Nielson

  113. Mark A

    incoherent rambler
    #3251630, posted on December 4, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    They should be easy to find …

    “This man needs a hospital.”

    “What is it Doctor?”

    “It’s a big white building where sick people go”

    How we miss Leslie Nielson

    Or the script writer, but sure he was the best deadpan actor.

  114. Juan

    “Cordings, as a whole, is [for] somebody who wears their labels on the inside.”

    For the satorially inclined, Cordings of Piccadilly:

  115. Mother Lode

    The Morrison government is concerned about forcing digital giants to pay media companies for using their journalism out of fear they could be interpreted as new taxes,

    What? This seems to imply the government is averse to increasing taxes.

    When did this happen?

  116. Top Ender

    For those of you who wondered where the name came from, regarding the untimely death of “Greedy” Smith of Mental as Anything yesterday:

    Smith’s nickname of “Greedy” was born during a gig early in the band’s career, when he happily ate 16 pieces of chicken while playing keyboards with one hand. . Oz

  117. struth

    Break your legs, buys most expensive crutch with your money and then say, “Hey without me you wouldn’t be able to walk!”

    FIFY

  118. Mother Lode

    Had a look at Plibbers’ twitter thing linked above.

    You would believe how pervasive is the conviction that the problem is ‘not enough funding’.

    There is the usual bleating about private schools, naturally. No awareness of private schools then closing and instead of kids being partly subsidised by tax payers they would become completely subsidised – meaning less money for all students.

    I suppose it might just be very basic level of thinking which can only comprehend one variable at a time – if funding to private schools is reduced then there is more for state schools – and the students at the private schools will just stay there as the buildings begin to crumble about them and parents cannot afford to pay the full fee will just somehow somehow keep their kids there.

    Oh, and lots about how teachers need more support. It is parents and everyone else who are not supporting the teachers.

    All the same nonsense. Nothing is going to change.

  119. mh

    Corey R. Lewandowski
    @CLewandowski_

    ‘One of the hardest decisions of my life’: Kamala Harris ends once-promising campaign. Another one bites the dust. Guess it’s not as easy as everyone thought. ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ connected with people that’s why he won 38 Primaries and Caucuses.

  120. classical_hero

    Can we have this thread stickied?

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tearful Jacqui Lambie votes for medivac repeal, handing Scott Morrison a major political victory

    Olivia Caisley
    Reporter
    @livcaisley
    8 minutes ago December 4, 2019
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    Scott Morrison has scored a major political victory by repealing the controversial medivac legislation, delivering on a key election pledge, as a row ignites over whether he struck a “secret deal” with crossbencher Jacqui Lambie.

    The laws, which made it easier for refugees in offshore detention to be brought to Australia to receive medical treatment, was scrapped during a tense debate in the Senate on Wednesday. The final vote was 37 to 35.

    Breaking, from the Oz. Cue the Greens bawling.

  122. JC

    What an unfortunate name…peter lenis. Do parents ever consider what a name combo can come out as when they name a rugrat

  123. Old School Conservative

    Hypocrisy award of the day goes to Tanya Plibersek, who condemns the failure of the Australian school system under the policies she has been pushing for years.

    She is also married to the former Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training.
    I missed that part of her statement.

  124. JC

    There was once a Dutch client we had whose surname when pronounced in English came out as
    Hold your cock

  125. Old School Conservative

    Tearful Jacqui Lambie

    Why is she upset?
    Taxpayers are only giving her just north of $200,000 p.a., plus travel, postage, electorate allowances, staff, accommodation allowances, offices, and more.
    Perhaps they are tears of joy.

  126. Geriatric Mayfly

    I suspect there are absolutely no practice at colleges for treating the uterus of someone who does not have one.

    Just wait until trannies begin donating their bodies to science. Young, upcoming doctors will be astounded as their scalpels probe the physiology of these non binary specimens.

  127. zyconoclast

    Darwin and Townsville are now considered more dangerous than poverty-stricken African capitals of Kenya and Zimbabwe

    A traveller-supplied database lists Darwin at 56th spot in the Numbeo Crime Rankings – ahead of Nairobi in Kenya, Guadalajara in Mexico, Bogota in Colombia and Brasilia in Brazil.

    Townsville, Queensland, also makes the ‘worst 100’ rankings, coming in at 62nd, with worse crime than Harare, Zimbabwe and Jacksonville in Florida.

    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_current.jsp

  128. zyconoclast

    Georgetown Prof who called for “miserable deaths” of white men off the hook

    The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) has launched a Title IX investigation against Georgetown University to formally determine if the school’s women-only programs violate Title IX. The OCR, however, has declined to look into the feminist professor whose tweet about Brett Kavanaugh triggered the investigation in the first place.

    “Look at all the entitled white men justifying a serial [email protected]’s arrogated entitlement,” tweeted Fair. “All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus: we [email protected]@te their corpses and feed them to swine.”

  129. mh

    Juan
    #3251633, posted on December 4, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Great video, Juan.

    I bet BoJo has visited there.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/92JiwxTqsA2hez1r6

  130. Ellie

    JC, there’s a psychiatrist in Sydney whose surname is Allnutt.

  131. Des Deskperson

    ‘Breaking, from the Oz. Cue the Greens bawling.’

    News at 12.38 am from the Oz But at 1.03 pm, medieval repeal is still not up on the ABC news website.

    Suggest it is incompetence rather than bias. There was the same tardiness in reporting the recent fires around here.

  132. Mother Lode

    News at 12.38 am from the Oz But at 1.03 pm, medivac repeal is still not up on the ABC news website.

    They are still all having counselling. And some are playing with puppies and yet others colouring in books.

    Reporting the news is a very stressful affair.

  133. Geriatric Mayfly

    medieval repeal is still not up on the ABC news website.

    It takes a meeting of clip boards and fat wimminses to gather first and work out how to spin it into the narrative.

  134. 1735099

    I don’t know Prince Andrew.

    Fatty 5D* resurrects his tenuous relationship with the truth.

    *Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.

  135. Tailgunner

    Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.

    Hehe, and he’s married to a total babe way younger than him.
    And he became Prez on his first try at politics.
    And he has 7 fkn billion in the bank.
    Apex Alpha Game : RECOGNISED!!!!!!

  136. Tailgunner

    JC, who’s your next pick for Dem candidate please.
    I wanna be sure before I go short on Betfair.
    😃😃

  137. Ellie

    I use to frequent a butcher whose name was ‘Hung meats’. He’s Asian.

  138. Ellie

    I’m a fan of Trump. He has an Elvis look about him.

    MAGA ❤

  139. mh

    Greg Gutfeld rips into Kamala at the 12 minute mark.

  140. Ellie

    And it’s his lips not his hips.

  141. Infidel Tiger

    Ian Miles Cheong

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    The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passes the UIGHUR Act, a bill to condemn the Chinese government for its mass internment of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, with a vote of 407-1.

    The lone dissenter is Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie, who also opposed the pro-Hong Kong bill.

    The lone stand out was of course a Libertarian.

    Disgraceful.

  142. Chris

    “Look at all the entitled white men justifying a serial [email protected]’s arrogated entitlement,” tweeted Fair. “All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus: we [email protected]@te their corpses and feed them to swine.”
    +
    “Oh, my! Let me warm up the speculum. It won’t hurt a bit.”

    I can’t help thinking a Patt1907 speculum wielded by Dr LCpl Jones would improve the quality of our public debate no end.

  143. Infidel Tiger

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    The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passes the UIGHUR Act, a bill to condemn the Chinese government for its mass internment of Uighur Mu s lims in Xinjiang, with a vote of 407-1.

    The lone dissenter is Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie, who also opposed the pro-Hong Kong bill.

    The lone stand out was of course a Libertarian.

    Disgraceful.

  144. Cassie of Sydney

    The racist from Toowoomba is probably all upset because the Medivac law was repealed today so what does he do……he reaches for his usual and very boring tropes such as “*Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.”…..ho hum….President Donald Trump is married to Melania.

  145. Juan

    And he has 7 fkn billion in the bank

    I know there are differing opinions on Donald Trump’s net worth; but no one has ever suggested he has $7 billion in the bank.

  146. Top Ender

    repeal is still not up on the ABC news website. Suggest it is incompetence rather than bias. There was the same tardiness in reporting the recent fires

    Strange too, the complete absence of anything negative or questioning regarding Dark Emu and Bruce Pascoe on the ABC news website.

    You’d think they’d like to expose someone ripping off the system my masquerading as an Aboriginal, or getting money out the sponsors for peddling false history.

  147. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The lone dissenter is Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie, who also opposed the pro-Hong Kong bill.

    spot the rep on the communist payroll

  148. Top Ender

    IIRR there was a bit of a joke in The Virgin Soldiers where the young Army blokes in the story were punished for misdemeanours with the locals in Hong Kong circa 1950s.

    As a compensation prize they were told the name of the local who they had offended: Fuk Yew.

    Good book, as was its successor Stand Up, Virgin Soldiers, and others by Leslie Thomas.

    The films, not so good.

  149. Bruce O’Newk:

    Six vaporware Frog diesel subs delivered by 2050, if then, for $50 billion (and we all know that is going to blow out). Contrast with 9 nuclear subs with the first off the slip in just 5 years, for $32 billion Aussie. The Virginias could literally run rings around ours.

    The really paranoid part of me is thinking that the whole thing is a scam.
    The subs will never be built, the $6 Billion has already been trousered by the scamsters with just a show of computers and kindy level drawings to make it look like someone is doing something.
    The chances that you and I will be alive before even the first mockup is built is poor.
    I’d like to demand Parliament look into the entire funding/design/procurement phase of this project and stop all funding until certain questions are answered.

  150. 8th Dan

    Strange too, the complete absence of anything negative or questioning regarding Dark Emu and Bruce Pascoe on the ABC news website.

    You must have missed this.

  151. vr

    The lone stand out was of course a Libertarian.

    I think he might have voted against the Armenian genocide bill as well. Need to double-check.

  152. Juan

    Here you go,Juan.
    Enjoy!

    I think you need to fine tune your irony meter. 😉

    With current interest rates only an idiot would have $7 billion on deposit at a bank. Hope you’re not suggesting … ? 😲

  153. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Wombledon and Wombley Staudium will be some of their sacred spriritual ‘omes.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK5w-y8XUAEr3np.png

  154. 8th Dan

    I’d like to demand Parliament look into the entire funding/design/procurement phase of this project and stop all funding until certain questions are answered.

    As I said this morning:

    There are termination clauses built into the contract. It could be cancelled today for a fee of $404M AUD.

    Put Dan of Victoria in charge of doing it. He knows how to spend half a billion to terminate an unwanted project.

  155. John64

    Prof Kerryn Phelps AM Retweeted
    Kaldor Centre UNSW‏ @KaldorCentre · 27m27 minutes ago
    The repeal of medevac and the IHAP in no way extinguishes Australia’s duty of care to those people it has transferred to PNG and Nauru. It is a duty under domestic and international law.

    I hear a plaintive cry ………………..

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I hear a plaintive cry ………………..

    A wail for relevance?

  157. still not up on the ABC news website

    But they are reporting on the Disraeli protests.

  158. John64

    Put Dan of Victoria in charge of doing it. He knows how to spend half a billion to terminate an unwanted project.

    It was wanted by everyone in Yarragrad except for Dan, his CFMEU masters and The Greens.

  159. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Perf Kerryn Phelps AM Retweeted

    Someone send the silly ol’ cow a vat of palm oil.

  160. johanna

    The ABC is a government department and it can be immediately defunded.
    On a Minister’s whim, it doesn’t need an act of parliament at all.

    struth, struth, how many times do I have to explain it to you.

    TheirABC is funded by the Budget, which is an Act of Parliament. The Minister cannot unfund it on a whim. It is a line item in an Act of Parliament.

    Only the Parliament can defund TheirABC, which will never happen because the Coalition is full of cucks.

  161. Remember the good ol’ days when the first thing the coup leaders did was takeover the government radio and tv stations?

    We need a coup.

  162. Tel

    The lone dissenter is Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie, who also opposed the pro-Hong Kong bill.

    The lone stand out was of course a Libertarian.

    He votes no to everything that might cost money or could even be slightly unconstitutional. Same as Rob Paul did.

    It’s a principled stand … the track record of the USA as world policeman has been rather appalling.

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Hehe, and he’s married to a total babe way younger than him.
    And he became Prez on his first try at politics.
    And he has 7 fkn billion in the bank.
    Apex Alpha Game : RECOGNISED!!!!!’

    Best. Response. Ever.

  164. stackja

    Tel – USA policed Korea. UN insisted North Korea stay separate. UN again in Middle East, not helpful.

  165. Mother Lode

    The repeal of medevac and the IHAP in no way extinguishes Australia’s duty of care to those people it has transferred to PNG and Nauru. It is a duty under domestic and international law.

    There is something wrong with a set up where a person’s (any person’s) decision to come to Australia creates obligations on the rest of Australia to clear a path for them and give guarantees they Australians themselves do not even get.

    And it is a perverse incentive whereby fishing a person out of the sea means we must we are indebted to them.

    I will assume dotard Kerryn believes everyone on Nauru (who is not a Nauruan) is ‘asylum seeker’ and is overlooking the definitions in the laws she flourishes above her head like an emissary from golden regions come to shed light upon benighted mucklings.

    Would never risk seeing her for some amoxicillin: she seems to think mundane tasks like doing things properly to be beneath her.

  166. Woolfe

    Israeli wins out of court settlement with Goth Australia , the sport formerly known as rugby

  167. stackja

    Rugby Australia decided to save money?

  168. Top Ender

    Thank you 8th Dan:

    Strange too, the complete absence of anything negative or questioning regarding Dark Emu and Bruce Pascoe on the ABC news website.

    You must have missed this.

    However, you will note I said: “on the ABC news website.”

    I did not check out the Radio National site.

    Who does?

  169. feelthebern

    Won’t RA have to disclose the settlement in it’s 2020 accounts?

  170. Juan

    Won’t RA have to disclose the settlement in it’s 2020 accounts?

    I’m sure it will be leaked before then. Everything else in the case has been. 😋

  171. John64

    Prof Kerryn Phelps AM Retweeted
    St Vincent’s Health‏ @StVHealthAust · 36m36 minutes ago
    Medevac’s repeal will leave an empty feeling among our staff. As a health organisation founded to care for the vulnerable, we are at a loss. The onus is now on the Govt to explain its next steps. Leaving almost 600 people in indefinite detention is unbearable and inhumane. /ENDS

    The sweet nectar of activist tears ………..

  172. Dr.BeauGan

    Trying to turn Maria into a business woman is an uphill job, Tom. She wants to be the one in charge which would be fine if she had a clue about how to organise anything, but she’s got the organising and planning skills of a ten year old. That’s on a good day. It feels rather like spoon feeding a baby who doesn’t want to eat.

    She has now actually received the children’s book I posted to her. She braved the local post office, a fairly traumatic business by Maria’s standards. It’s a government instrumentality, and hence best avoided in her perception.

    Unfortunately, fear of the state permeates everything Cubans do, which usually leads to paralytic conformity. Being able to thrive in that environment requires not just enough brains to understand it but also enough courage to exploit it.

  173. Atoms for Peace

    OS at moment and watching more of the BBC than I normally would. Imagine poo flinging monkeys on the gear and you can get an idea of their climate screeching. Quite a sight to behold. The fact that we are knee deep in snow makes it amusing.

  174. 8th Dan

    The government’s buzzword for today is: resilience.

  175. Tom

    Paywallian:

    Rugby Australia and Israel Folau have both issued an apology after a confidential settlement was reached.

    In a joint statement issued on Wednesday, the parties said they did not intend to cause harm to each other.

    “While it was not Rugby Australia’s intention, Rugby Australia acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused to the Folaus.” the statement said.

    “Similarly, Mr Folau did not intend to hurt or harm the game of rugby and acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused.”

    “Rugby Australia and Mr Folau wish each other well for the future.”

    The statement said Mr Folau wanted “all Australians to know that he does not condone discrimination of any kind against any person on the grounds of their sexuality and that he shares Rugby Australia’s committment to inclusiveness and diversity.”

    The confidential settlement comes after Folau was sacked following social media posts that said homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators and drunkards were going to hell.

    The statement said RA “do not in any way agree with the content of the social media post. Inclusiveness is one of rugby’s core values and it welcomes all people to the game, including all members of the LGBTI community.”

    Folau was seeking $14 million and an apology in compensation, according to court documents, which included an assessment the Wallabies would have performed better at this year’s World Cup had he been in the team and that he might have been named captain.

    Link.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Unbelievable.

    Castle completely destroys Australian rugby and then settles out of court for millions and apologizes.

    Fire her immediately.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    He must have got at least his contact paid out plus legal bills.

    A catastrophe for RA. A win for righteousness.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    “While it was not Rugby Australia’s intention, Rugby Australia acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused to the Folaus.” the statement said.

    Imagine if RA had simply ignored Izzy’s crazy posts? Would have been over in 24 hours.

    Instead they were led astray by a militant gay Irish dwarf.

    Well done, cockhead.

  179. Rafe Champion

    Liberty Quote
    Non-payers of taxes are increasingly productive citizens. Smugglers, pedlars of drugs, young women from families weakened by the welfare state, and other long-familiar categories, may be increasing. But non-payers of taxes outnumber them as typically self-respecting men and women supplementing taxed earnings by evening, week-end or spare-time services in domestic, secretarial, research work, or sitting with the sick, the old or the young, some paid in cash or by swapping skills and spare time.

    — Arthur Seldon

  180. Juan

    He must have got at least his contact paid out plus legal bills.

    Be patient. We’ll find out soon enough. Though I would point out the apologies both ways isn’t indicative of a crushing win for either side.

    My guess, from experience, is the settlement would probably be around a million dollars. Usually the employer’s legal counsel will say to their client ‘Do you want to spend X in time and money on defending this; or do you just want to pay X to settle?’

    The real sticking point was the apology, and that was solved by both sides apologising to each other. That’s to the credit of the ADR process and the mediator.

    If Israel Folau is allowed to pocket the balance of his fighting on top of the settlement, he’ll be doing okay.

  181. Knuckle Dragger

    It would appear Alan Joyce’s phone just got turned off.

    The RA board will surely be putting their hand out to the homo munchkin for recompense.

  182. Tom

    More evidence of the recession in the real economy:

    Car sales are on track for the worst result since the global financial crisis, according to figures released by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries today.

    November’s total of 84,708 vehicles, down 10 per cent on the same period last year, is the 20th consecutive decline and the lowest sales for the month since 2008.

    Year-to-date, almost 87,000 fewer vehicles have left showrooms and if the trend continues into December, the annual total will be the worst since 2011 when demand was recovering from the GFC.

    “It is a tough market — full stop,” admitted the chief executive of the FCAI, Tony Weber.

    “The industry has been looking for a lift for some time now and has activated multiple levers to achieve some stimulation, including incentives, sales and special vehicle editions.

    “However, the appetite for new vehicles remains suppressed.”

    Mr Weber has previously blamed tighter availability of vehicle finance for crimping demand and said it could risk a recession.

    Demand in November was down across all states and vehicle categories except the two smallest types of SUV.

    Among the biggest losers were Jaguar, down 41 per cent compared with November 2018, Peugeot -35 per cent and Mazda -31 per cent.

    But the worst performing mainstream brand was Holden, down 48 per cent for the month and dropping almost 16,000 buyers year-to-date.

    Link.

  183. Dr Faustus

    Rugby Australia’s statement:

    “The Social Media Post reflected Mr Folau’s genuinely held religious beliefs, and Mr Folau did not intend to harm or offend any person when he uploaded the Social Media Post.

    “Rugby Australia and NSW Rugby do not in any way agree with the content of the Social Media Post. Inclusiveness is one of Rugby’s core values and it welcomes all people to the game, including all members of the LGBTI community.

    If Goth and Co had managed to arrive at this position on their own back in May, they would have saved a bunch of money, had one of the worlds better running backs on the field in Japan, and all the reputational damage.

    No comment from Alan Joyce, but social media is alive with outrage from those whose view of diversity doesn’t include men expressing sincerely held religious beliefs.

  184. Juan

    Sorry, that was meant to read “balance of his fighting fund on top of the settlement”.

  185. stackja

    Israel Folau resolution upsetting the usual suspect.

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    Pre-written FitzSimons speech coming out in ten minutes, cobbers.

  187. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/tziporah-malkah-flaunts-50kg-weight-loss-in-bikini-photo-shoot/news-story/d5c9d9319a7c2f8225f114405b9da068

    Firstly, as far as being a celebrity, who is this gone to seed wench?

    Secondly, who thought this was a good idea in the first place?

    I think it was Phyllis Diller who said she gets paid more to put her clothes on than to take them off.

  188. Infidel Tiger

    “The Social Media Post reflected Mr Folau’s genuinely held religious beliefs, and Mr Folau did not intend to harm or offend any person when he uploaded the Social Media Post.

    NO. FUCKING. SHIT.

    Morons.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    My guess, from experience, is the settlement would probably be around a million dollars.

    You have no such experience and are in fact a poseur.

    Go to hell.

  190. Juan

    Israel Folau resolution upsetting the usual suspect.

    Not sure if that’s directed at me for; but, for the record, I think this settlement is fantastic news. It’s the best outcome for all sides — especially the apologies all around kumbaya love-in aspect — and, if like me you love rugby, we all get to go back to enjoying the game without distractions.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Car sales are on track for the worst result since the global financial crisis, according to figures released by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries today.

    Car sales are in the toilet globally.

    Hangover from GFC finance deals and car companies putting out a product offering no one wants.

  192. struth

    TheirABC is funded by the Budget, which is an Act of Parliament. The Minister cannot unfund it on a whim. It is a line item in an Act of Parliament.

    Johanna.
    Of course the expense is in the budget and the budget is passed.

    So next budget the minister says He doesn’t want money spent on it, and it doesn’t get put in the budget.
    It is not compulsory to have ABC funding in any budget and it requires nothing but the will of the government in charge (with a majority) to stop it.

    The point being is you do not need to put funding it to a vote in Parliament, they make it sound as if they’d be breaking the Law if next budget they removed ABC funding, you just decide to defund it in the budget and hey presto, it’s defunded as the government should have the majority.
    Yes the budget must pass but the funding of anything in it or not, is what Joshy and co work out for themselves.

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    Grigs confirmed…..

  194. feelthebern

    I plan to wait until the real number is leaked.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    Real Mark Latham

    @RealMarkLatham

    Now that Rugby Australia has apologised, the NRL must lift its ban on Folau, which clearly stands as a disgraceful exercise in religious discrimination.
    What right does any sporting code have to control the religious beliefs and views of players well away from the workplace???

    Folau still has plenty of targets to generate some cash.

    Rugby League would be advised to heed what has happened today.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    This just in from the spaminator:

    ‘I told you! I told you all right here on this very blog that Easy Flower would win and white eagle and alanjuice can fuck off to their shit arses in airlines and I was RIGHT ALL ALONG’

  197. Infidel Tiger

    I plan to wait until the real number is leaked.

    $6,66m.

  198. Cactus

    Kinda disappointed in this Folau settlement. I wanted RA in court for years, I wanted discovery of all emails made public. I wanted RA tarred and feathered.

    Dont get this now.

  199. Infidel Tiger

    Peter FitzSimons

    Verified account

    @Peter_Fitz
    Follow Follow @Peter_Fitz

    Deal or no deal for Folau?
    No deal, so far.
    While it would be good to end the drama, I would be loathe to see Rugby Australia pay him a red cent.
    Let the law decide.

    Montyesque.

  200. feelthebern

    I wonder how RA will explain the “miscellaneous” charge of several mill in its full year accounts.

  201. feelthebern

    Is RA a Dec year end or June year end.
    Just noticing some industry organisations still have a Dec year end.

  202. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3251757, posted on December 4, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    I plan to wait until the real number is leaked.

    $6,66m.

    Tuesday : Bandana-man advises the Vicar of Rugby not to pay Issy “one red cent”.
    Wednesday : Rugby Australia cuts a cheque with two commas in the numbers box.

  203. feelthebern

    Will Ralene step down on Friday 20th Dec or Monday 23rd Dec?

  204. johanna

    As mentioned before, I have been keeping a close eye on the fire near Braidwood. As a veteran of the 2003 fires around here, I am sceptical of official assurances that there is nothing to worry about. Until there is.

    The latest report from the RFS is that the fire is ‘being controlled.’

    What does that mean? It’s bullshit. They have a fire of over 20,000 hectares, a lot of it in inaccesible places, and the winds are howling as I type. What’s more, they are howling from different directions.

    The truth is, they have no control whatsoever over this fire, especially as everything around is bone dry. They are just whistling past the graveyard. It began in a national park, surrounded by tree plantations. If the winds turn hot and westerly (which is predicted for later this week) nothing man made will stop it.

    There are several other fires – notably the one on the south coast near Durras – which are at scary proportions. Meanwhile, dickhead greenies blame coal mining and stop people from clearing the land around their homes.

    Cats who have not got up close and personal with a firestorm might think that I am being a bit emotional about this. Talk to me again when you have been plunged into darkness at 3 in the afternoon because the smoke blotted out the sun.

  205. Top Ender

    Breast removal for girls under 17
    EXCLUSIVE
    BERNARD LANE

    CLINIC’S BID TO BEGIN SURGERY

    Australia’s biggest youth gender clinic wants to start surgery on teenage girls under the age of 17 and to lock in long-term funding increases that will survive beyond Victoria’s pro-transgender Andrews government.

    In unreported evidence to the state’s mental health royal commission, clinic director Michelle Telfer from the Royal Children’s Hospital in Melbourne reveals that about two-thirds of last year’s record new referrals are girls past puberty who identify as boys, with “many” asking for “chest reconstructive surgery”.

    RCH and the government have refused requests from The Australian and the opposition for basic patient data.

    Dr Telfer told the commission in July mastectomies improved the mental health of trans boys, citing a study led by high-profile US gender clinician Johanna Olson-Kennedy who reportedly argues breast tissue is not healthy “if it’s creating a lot of distress” and says any regretful girls can get breast implants later.

    Dr Telfer calls for surgery to complement hormone treatment at RCH and “secure, long-term” public funds to meet rising demand, with “a whole (new) population” of “vulnerable” trans children who can be “supported” through school when both parents oppose gender change.

    The Telfer clinic, which takes patients up to age 17, does not currently offer surgery.

    Last week, the Andrews government endorsed the idea of a mental health tax
    after the royal commission’s interim report painted an “alarming picture” of LGBT mental health, citing testimony from Dr Telfer and others.

    In her evidence, she says: “Given the politicisation of gender diversity and of (trans) child and adolescent healthcare in particular — as seen with the Safe Schools (program) nationally and the marriage equality debate — clinicians and the (trans) community share concerns of funding sustainability with changes in governments.”

    Dr Telfer says her clinic has spent the $6m in special funds it was given by the government in 2015, and without extra money may cover only a third of its costs, which include reaching out to schoolchildren whose parents, cultures or religions may not approve gender transition.

    She suggests trans youth are more expert than mental health clinicians when it comes to diagnosing their gender dysphoria, the condition of severe distress about one’s biological sex that unlocks access to medical treatment.

    “A trans identity is something that’s so innately personal that really only that young person or adult (knows) about their gender and whether that’s a problem or not for them,” she says.

    There is global concern about the safety and ethics of trans medical treatment amid a spike in atypical teenage patients, mostly girls, diagnosed with dysphoria.

    Critics say the influence of preexisting issues — including mental health problems, autism, same-sex attraction, and family trauma — is not properly investigated by gender-focused clinics.

    Dr Telfer says her hospital has the expertise to start trans mastectomies but lacks the money.

    “There are also no private surgical services available for (trans) adolescents under 18 in Victoria, leaving them with no option but to seek chest reconstructive surgery interstate or overseas,” she says.

    In 2016, the Family Court gave the go-ahead for a “mature” 15-year-old trans boy in Sydney to have a double mastectomy. That year, Dr Telfer’s expertise was invoked by a Labor MP who said the clinician backed a bill to remove surgery as a requirement before the issue of a trans birth certificate and had reportedly pointed out “it is illegal for young people under 18 to undergo gender-changing surgery (and) often not desirable for a child”.

    In July, Dr Telfer told the commission that surgery was “an integral part of the transition process for trans males” and cited three overseas studies.

    National Association of Practising Psychiatrists president Philip Morris, speaking in a personal capacity, said the weak evidence presented by Dr Telfer “does not indicate at all that the surgical approach is better than supporting the child without breast removal”.

    “I am concerned about the welfare of children — we have to be very sure that what we’re doing has the strongest evidence base available, particularly with medical and surgical interventions that are virtually impossible to fully reverse.”

    Dr Telfer’s evidence did not mention international criticism of the 2018 RCH treatment standards, a 2011 Swedish study showing post-surgery trans adults had suicide rates 19 times above the general population, a 2015 Dutch study reporting worrying levels of uncertainty among clinicians about the safety of puberty blocker drugs that can lead on to surgery, or the trend of regretful young adult “detransitioners”.

    The Australian sought comment from Dr Telfer and RCH.

    Breast tissue is not healthy ‘if it’s creating a lot of distress’ and regretful girls can get implants later

    Oz

  206. 8th Dan

    I wonder how RA will explain the “miscellaneous” charge of several mill in its full year accounts.

    Won’t happen that way.

    Balance of this year settlement amount = 7/12 of his annual contract pay at May termination
    Each party meets its own costs.
    Settlement amount easily buried as part of total player payments for the year.
    Accounts otherwise to include a note referring to the contract dispute and that terms of settlement are confidential.

  207. Knuckle Dragger

    Apropos of TE’s post just now:

    A true Captain Obvious moment.

    If – IF – self harm/suicide rates amongst trannies and transitioning and re-transitioning and gender fluid and pansexuals is in fact of a higher than normal rate, it isn’t because they’re tormented by a society that doesn’t accept them.

    It’s because they’re fucked in the head, and every single doctor that enables this madness should have to dig their patients’ graves by hand.

  208. Tom

    Firstly, as far as being a celebrity, who is this gone to seed wench?

    Before her name change, she used to be Kate Fischer, daughter of former NSW Lieboral government minister and talking head Pru Goward. Fisher used to be a stunner and was engaged to James Packer at one stage — way out there on the hot crazy matrix.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Cactus

    #3251758, posted on December 4, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Kinda disappointed in this Folau settlement. I wanted RA in court for years, I wanted discovery of all emails made public. I wanted RA tarred and feathered.

    And that is why they were always going to settle.
    There were probably scores of texts and emails (cc’d to multiple parties for grandstanding purposes) saying how jolly pleased the Gaelic knob-jockey was that the Vicar had followed direction.

  210. Old School Conservative

    Though I would point out the apologies both ways isn’t indicative of a crushing win for either side.

    Wrong.
    Israel’s key demands included an apology.
    He got it.
    I hope he also gets recompense for lost earnings and costs. What is the $ value of being excluded from the RWC? Significant.
    At a minimum.

  211. Tom

    ABC talking head Pru Goward …

  212. 8th Dan

    If the settlement actually involves a payment:

    Folau won’t leak it because it’s so far below his ambit claim.

    Rugby Australia won’t leak it because they don’t want to acknowledge that they paid him anything.

  213. Boambee John

    *Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.

    Perseveration seems to have flared up again.

  214. Mother Lode

    If – IF – self harm/suicide rates amongst trannies and transitioning and re-transitioning and gender fluid and pansexuals is in fact of a higher than normal rate, it isn’t because they’re tormented by a society that doesn’t accept them.

    As I have said before, years ago people who identified as, say, Napoleon would be locked up because they manifestly were not Napoleon.

    Now we are meant to congratulate them on their courage, and anyone who says they are not a French Emperor is excoriated as a brutish neanderthal.

  215. Old School Conservative

    Boambee John, are you referring to President Trump? The mega rich president of the USA? The president who is married to a super model? The president who has turned America back into a success story? The man who beat Hillary Clinton against all odds? The president who donates away his entire presidential salary?

    Surely his 50- year old medical history is much more important.

  216. 1735099

    …he reaches for his usual and very boring tropes such as “*Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.”…..ho hum….President Donald Trump is married to Melania.

    No – just pointing out how easily, readily, and frequently he lies.
    He’s been photographed one on one with Prince Andrew on numerous occasions, but is quite happy to announce – “I don’t know Prince Andrew”.

  217. JC

    Tailgunner
    #3251668, posted on December 4, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    JC, who’s your next pick for Dem candidate please.
    I wanna be sure before I go short on Betfair.

    Look, I may be wrong, but I’ll still go with High Cheeks. I’m hoping it’s either High Cheeks or Biden.

    Did you see what Trump called Bloomberg in a tweet? Mini Mike. You gotta laugh.

  218. Knuckle Dragger

    I will never tire of the hot crazy matrix clip, for two reasons:

    The Danger Zone – ‘anyone named Tiffany, hairdressers’

    and the presenter packing heat when he delivers the presentation.

    Love it. Thumbs up, Tom.

  219. Mother Lode

    *Trump escaped service in Vietnam through 5 deferments and has a weight problem.

    Perseveration seems to have flared up again.

    Funny thing is that each time the cur puts that up it just screams out “I was jealous then, before I even knew who he was, and I am still jealous now”.

    It is not Trump who is being made to look a fool.

  220. Overburdened

    Tom

    Thanks, and it’s good that you are onto the CHM.

    It can save a lot of heartache.

    I still don’t recognise this unfortunate media hog but that is because I don’t know anything much.

    In the meantime, Pru Goward was/ is a shrieking harpy.

    It’s a genetic thing.

  221. Barry

    Raelene Castle gone by Christmas.

    Who wants to run a book?

  222. Mother Lode

    Boambee John, are you referring to President Trump? The mega rich president of the USA? The president who is married to a super model? The president who has turned America back into a success story? The man who beat Hillary Clinton against all odds? The president who donates away his entire presidential salary?

    I heard of a guy by the same name who is beloved of the current service men and women, and by ex-service men and women.

    Can’t be the same guy, surely!

    That would just be too much winning.

  223. Shy Ted

    Was only in Darwin for a few weeks but had 2 memorable years in Townsville. It was a pretty dangerous place even back then and it was pretty dumb to wander into notorious places after dark. Luckily an old bushie told me to always carry a couple of green cans and, if accosted, simply hand them over. Accosters suddenly distracted, worked a treat.
    There are far more dangerous places in Oz than D & T. You haven’t lived until you’ve been to Yarrabah, S of Cairns, on payday. There’s a pub.

  224. Mother Lode

    Raelene Castle gone by Christmas.

    I can imagine her in bargain bins in front of stores on Boxing Day.

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    We get it, Liability Bob.

    Stop hating yourself. Not everyone can be a billionaire leader of the free world who’s hooked up with a supermodel and likes cheeseburgers. You’re just one of the billions of people who aren’t that guy.

    Self-loathing doesn’t help.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    Memo to Cats:

    Avoid any legal firm named Juan & Dan.

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