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I have $1 that says the following response will be given:
“I find it difficult to remember when I haven’t eaten for so long*”
* 15 minutes
So while he was Deputy PM and National member.
Nothing to do with the LNP then.
We got there eventually.
Only their burgeoning order book the the A320neo family has anything to with the MAX!
He gets that every time I go past him sprawled on the rocker-recliner – which he commandeered 30 seconds after #1 Son and mate put it down in the lounge area. I have to give him a scratch to reassure myself he’s just dreaming about food, and not dead.
Big. Very, very big. Bigger than any cat I’ve ever seen, including ferals on the farm. Long hair, 70% white, with big splotches of lion coloured tabby.
… except the 21 LNP MPs without which Barnaby Joyce wouldn’t have been Deputy Prime Minister.
The LNP produced Barnaby; they owned him as Deputy PM; but other than that, there’s no LNP connection whatsoever!
Yes, we did.
Some news just rocks you back on your heels – Sir Ron Brierley has this morning been detained in Sydney – media reports say:
Brierley was a well known and successful player in the corporate world during the ’70s and ’80s, continually in the news for clever corporate takeovers and impressive entrepreneurial corporate moves, mainly locally and sometimes in Europe. His would be a familiar name to older contributors here – and I imagine they would be similarly shocked.
He is 82 and he just this year stepped down from an active business life.
Notice how Big Kev rated actual policing, of which she had next to no personal experience (paraphrased): “the changes were intended to address organisational restructure, human resources [pause, then as an afterthought] … crime”
So drawing up biz-school flow charts and favouring the promotion of women and gays were opf greater importance than protecting the citizenry’s lives and property.
Photo of Fatty’s limo arriving at the RC
Full text of the Paywallian “exclusive” on the latest climate zombie propaganda campaign:
Most of these fires are started by people incited by the media’s “dangerous conditions + klimate change” reportage. And we know that warmists love the fires. Jokes aside, then, an overlap between arsonism and warmism would exist.
Full text of the Paywallian “exclusive” on the latest climate zombie propaganda campaign:
MTC…
Boeing has more problems than the 737 MAX; and even the delays to its 777X program.
The latest issue to arise has to do with 787s delivered since February this year, which are missing some lightening protection measures built into earlier iterations of the same aircraft.
Crucially, at least two such planes are flying with ‘VH’ registrations, with a third about to be delivered.
The paint fades?
No Dear Diary from Kev. Surprise.
Pyromania, another ‘successive’ example of NSW Richmond Report?
lightning … with no “e” in the middle.
The spaminator won’t let me post the text of the Paywallian story about Tim Flannery’s latest climate zombie propaganda campaign — even if I break it up into pieces. Dumbass piece of shit.
Nixon’s speech is affected by her dentures.
Nixon’s speech is affected by her dentures.
Doesn’t affect her chirpiness on matters close to her heart.
Seating assistant for fats.
Same as alcoholic Nancy Pelosi.
Her stomach?
Yes we did get there, didn’t we.
He was a National MP when he started “banging” his assistant, who’s father posts here.
So he had no reason to follow Liberal Party doctrine, LNP doctrine, that didn’t exist anyway, as you have admitted.
He is still with that woman and they’ve had a child, and maybe as you watch your disrespectful wife with your cock in your hand, you should go easy on judging others.
Yep. My first thought was – Sir Ron Brierley has been railroaded.
Not all others, only the holier-than-thou public moralisers … or are you of the opinion hypocrisy is a virtue in public life?
Sydney Morning Herald.
Jane Carosene from Frightbat Central has a few questions
Dear climate change deniers, when is it ok to panic? If it’s not when we can’t breathe. If it’s not when the firies say they are dealing with unprecedented bushfires. If it’s not when the fire season started in August. If it’s not when temperature records are tumbling? Then when?
https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1206504798838616064?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
That’s good news!
No more bushfires. We’re gunna ban them.
And evil plans for this system feature.
If you don’t like the show, change channels, or just scroll, but I’m heartily sick of those who know only too well the silence of the right is what got us into this mess……..by “being above it all”
Thank God Trump doesn’t listen to the advice of women and political cucks.
Take the aguments here out in to the eal wold and have some fun.
If you talk to MV about his fucking cat on this political blog, do an of us give a shit?
No……………………go for it.
Please give us the same courtesy.
My go to weather site has an interesting get out clause. Yesterday 38.7 but “feels like” 34.1. Hazy without a breath of wind, it was 34.1 on the upstairs verandah, cooler on the downstairs one. Luckily this episode of AGW only lasting 3 1/2 days before dropping 20degC.
Hypocrisy is not a virtue in any life.
So stop it.
Juan, your selective quoting is disingenuous. It was
Someone noted yesterday that Overland had two options; one showing him as a competent CC and the second – an incompetent numpty. He chose the second option and further, Nixon would not choose option 2, thus setting the stage to hurl Overland under the bus. It looks as though the poster was on the money.
K-9 photobomb
https://imgur.com/ZOk3TOA
That is excellent. If after the Durham report comey isn’t wearing an orange suit we might as well move to Mars. If even Trump can’t nail these scum, that’s it. Speaking of which the great Bogino notes there were likely other FISAs against Trump people:
https://videos.whatfinger.com/2019/12/17/who-else-were-they-spying-on-the-clues-are-everywhere/
Correct. Taking the high moral ground and being aloft allows the left to actually implement their high moral ground.
I’d almost join twitter to answer that
There are some who like let their fantasies run wild. I prefer to ignore that and keep going, kind of like how you would deal with a toy-sized dog intent on humping your leg! 🤣
aloof
Unfortunately struth is taken: https://twitter.com/struth
Great, as well as having a bisexual girlfriend you’re also into beastiality.
Chris Uhlmann channels Brendan O’Neill in fine fashion today. British labour hate the working class
Gee, Cohenite. Please make up your mind.
Just the other day I was a low life for pointing out a few home truths about Maggie Thatcher and the global warming scam. Now I’m taking the “high ground”.
What is this? A roller coaster ride?
Juan, you know what is being referred to
We can only go on what you tell us and therefore, we come to the conclusion your wife and you have no respect for each other and neither is enough for each other if you were truly in love.
You have sex and don’t make love.
Big difference.
You tell us all about it, which shows your lack of respect, and then fantasise that we are getting off on it when very few of us are perverts…………………….You mustn’t be too old, you haven’t thought through the results of your actions here, and as I said earlier, later in life you will most likely pay a heavy price.
However, after all that , you come on here and publically berate the sexual exploits of a politician……….who at least was trying to keep it quiet, and nobody’s business.
If only you had thought they maybe we didn’t need to hear the grotty details of you sex life either.
Maybe she should flee Australia then.
I suggest to Somalia, since they don’t seem to have many bushfires there.
It appears the budget surplus is derived primarily from bracket creep.
Nice work Josh, Matthias, Scott.
I’m orrf to me favourite shop.
The music shop.
I need a blues Harp in C that just blew out but I know I’ll come out with strings, picks, leads, maybe another effect pedal …. god knows.
Is this what I am supposed to be talking about?
Given their performance here, that’s probably because the locals stole all the bush.
Good morning Bruce.
A very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
How exactly does one “panic” ? Am I supposed to stamp the ground and hold my breath? Am I supposed to get creative and make a banner with foul words in it and stand outside the local member’s office? For how long? Can I have Xmas Day off? Must I sit at my computer all day, join twitter and send rude messages to people. How will any of the above make any difference?
Curious people want to know.
Sometimes Peter now John.
Who next?
Likewise Peter!
A neighbour has a cat coloured like Boofhead, he’s short haired though.
He and I have an arrangement whereby he stays on his side of the fence and I don’t hose him. 😀
I like cats but not stalking Cafe Bruce clientelle.
I need a blues Harp in C that just blew out but I know I’ll come out with strings, picks, leads, maybe another effect pedal …. god knows.
Effects pedals just clutter up the floor.
Good tone is in the fingers; although a good amp helps 😉
Morning quiz – where was I last week? Clues –
Town A, a once thriving town built on primary production brought to it’ knees by Green policies with amiable citizens doing their best to eke out a living producing arts and crafts or offering scenic tours which might be pleasant enough on a nice day but it wasn’t a nice day. Yoof well on their way to morbid obesity wandering aimlessly around town . Op shops in every street.
City B. Again a cold, wet day. Local market on, handcrafted this and organic that and a careless propensity to accidentally leave the Made in China label on clothing. 40ish chunky wives with lessbian haircuts, ABC glasses and no makeup. Pasty beta male husbands carrying babies, organic snacks and health drinks, dutifully following mum but looking like they might collapse from exhaustion any moment. Tour hosts wrapped up for Winter, trying to smile while offering scenic excursions but rain and poor visibility mean there are no takers. All shop assistants and supermarket workers seem to be Indian. A pigeon flew into a window, broke it’ neck and died very slowly, flapping on the ground, ignored by most but one lady suggested it should be taken to a vet. I trod on it’s head and popped it in a bin to suffer no more. Looks of horror. Most cruisers, as I did, returned to the ship early rather than die of boredom on land. Nothing for me or anyone I spoke to that persuaded us to part with our hard earned $$.
Coolest Summer week ever.
As always, big money prizes for 2 correct answers.
Eh?
All of the above m’lady. And more.
These days you have to be versatile.
Regardless, have a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
It’s a worry that useful idiots like this could rise to be in charge of emergency services…and presumably still do.
Quite evidently you don’t.
It’s been asked and answered.
Having established that, if you wish to believe I’d actually said something other than what I said, well, it’s a free country and you’re entitled to do that, and I’m entitled to ignore you when you do.
And, gents, re-paste whichever comment I’ve ignored as many times as you want. It just makes you look slightly obsessed. Well, maybe ‘slightly’ is being a tad generous.
And then they expect our thanks when they give back bracket creep in the form of tax cuts. (This applies to all governments.)
They could index tax brackets, but then how could they pretend to give us our money back?
Then you need a cat like Boofhead, Bruce.
He’s terrified of anything bigger than a spider.
Including spiders.
Morning quiz – where was I last week?
NZ north island?
How about never, you useless waste of space. My Dad, survivor of the 2/24th – Tobruk, El Alamein, Finschaven, Port Moresby, Lae etc – dealt with our childhood tendencies to freak out under pressure with the advice that if you are in a life threatening situation then panic will guarantee your demise. Panic is contagious and you are doing your best to infect everyone. I’m not interested in your hysteria…there’s an old fashioned cure for that.
WTF has Donald Trump done to deserve this madness?
Panic is contagious and you are doing your best to infect everyone.
That is the method in their madness.
Terry McCrann in fine form in today’s Hun. Apparently the election of Boris Johnson has boosted the British stock markets, to the puzzlement of political junkies. The wrongology on display by our elites is a joy to see.
Eyrie:
There needs to be a Royal Commission run through the Department of Defence and whole equipment procurement game.
Obviously something is really rotten in there.
To my mind, these fire chiefs are out and out proudly telling us all that their fire management strategies of the last 20 years were useless, because look at us now. Nothing to do with the weather, everything to do with their rules and regulations.
I heard the US had plans for the USS Barack Obama.
It would have its engines at the front and oriented the opposite direction to usual so that it could face its enemies as it retreated at flank speed, the paint was going to be rainbow stripes, and all the flags were going to be white.
Okay Megan, I get the message – panic is out.
But there is a lot more going on than just the global warming scam.
So is it alright to at least freak out? Just a little bit?
I promise I’ll do it quietly.
Meantime, a very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Oppose the climate scam.
The green-progressives are in control of the Democrat Party and the MSM, they all believe in thermageddon. They think Trump literally is the end of the world.
no worries – let’s turn off those diesel and petrol water pumps then, eh?
As did Tony Abbott (yes Peter, not wholeheartedly) but the green progressives were more successful in removing him from office.
Bruce O’Newk:
Perhaps one could be a little more focussed by saying the method of software repair is to blame.
The entire software platform needs to be scrapped rather than the – it seems – process of adding a few more lines of code to fix the problem, which then causes further problems down the circuit board.
Hahahahaa!
Tooling back from the sewer that is the goldy.
The drive up was a shocker. The drive back is shaping up to be the same.
It will be hell for the holiday makers and a boon for state revenue in qld n nsw.
Two childs now, isn’t it? Both boys.
ScoMo is making some quiet moves in the right direction. The solar panels rebate expires in January, and the installers are frantically advertising. Whilst on treadly this morning I passed a house getting a few dozen panels put on it. In a month’s time that would cost the owner approaching double what it has done this month. That feeds directly into the payback calc – suddenly what was economic for the homeowner no longer is.
I hope he’ll next remove the REC subsidies per kWh, using the argument that solar energy is “mature now” and “can stand on its own two feet” or some such.
I got a call, allegedly from Telstra telling me that my internet was hacked and if I didn’t do anything about it my internet would be shut down. Got a name (“Alex Wilson”), but the accent didn’t match the name. Claimed to be in a call center in 242 Exhibition St. So, I asked for an id which he gave. It sounded like a scam. Has anyone had a similar experience?
… a band of former state fire and emergency chiefs
The Fright Stuff
https://imgur.com/MMriIJu
The complete Flannery – print edition of the Oz.
Climate activist Tim Flannery is the force behind a band of former state fire and emergency chiefs accusing Scott Morrison of abandoning bushfires across the nation and demanding an immediate end to the burning of fossil fuels.
The Australian has confirmed Emergency Leaders for Climate Action — 29 ex-fire chiefs led by former NSW Fire and Rescue commissioner Greg Mullins — is funded by Professor Flannery’s crowd-funded Climate Council as an official “project”.
Mr Mullins was joined by five other former state and territory fire chiefs on Tuesday in pledging to convene a national summit of industry experts early next year to find a long-term solution to bushfires savaging Australia’s east and west coasts.
A source close to the Climate Council claimed the group was “largely a vehicle for Tim Flannery”. He added, however, that the decision of fire chiefs to accept support as a Climate Council “project” was significant and could not be underestimated because of their authority in the community as experienced firefighters who had witnessed worsening weather conditions.
“These fire chiefs are not muppets, they are hardly activists,” he said. “They’ve made a deliberate decision to take a stand because they see conditions are getting serious.”
Mr Mullins said the former fire chiefs were prepared to “go it alone” with a national bushfire summit, claiming the Prime Minister had offered “no moral leadership” on climate change.
The former NSW fire chief, who is also a councillor with Professor Flannery’s group, said he hoped Mr Morrison and state leaders would attend the summit.
Climate writer and scientist Professor Flannery, Australian of the Year in 2007, has sparked past criticism that he is an alarmist for urging that coal-fired power stations be shut down and for suggesting Perth could become the nation’s “first ghost town” based on its scarce water supply.
The chief executive of his Climate Council is Amanda McKenzie, a board member of Labor’s Whitlam Institute and founder of the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, the activist group that has sponsored climate change protests by schoolchildren in Canberra and other capital cities.
Mr Mullins blasted Canberra for a “leadership vacuum” on bushfires raging across the nation that he said were linked to climate change. He said the Morrison government had offered “no moral leadership” by opposing tougher carbon emissions standards at the Madrid climate conference.
“The facts are that Australia is burning while we turn a blind eye to the driving force, which is climate change and a warming planet,” Mr Mullins said at a news conference called to confirm that a national summit would be convened after the current bushfire season ended in March or April.
Emergency Leaders was formed in April with Climate Council support, after the Prime Minister rebuffed Mr Mullins’s request for a meeting on fighting bushfires that would also consider the impact of climate change. Mr Morrison instead referred Mr Mullins to Water Resources Minister David Littleproud.
The Climate Council was formed in 2013 by Professor Flannery as a crowd-funded climate change communications body after the Abbott government abolished Labor’s taxpayer-funded Climate Commission that he had headed since its creation in 2008.
The Climate Council seeks tax-deductible donations to help the group’s “authoritative, expert advice to the public on climate change, energy solutions and international action, based on the most up-to-date science”.
Mr Mullins said on Tuesday it was “no good saying we’re only a small emitter” of carbon dioxide pollution and it was “simply not true” when Australia ranked 17th in the world, and was the world’s No 5 emitter when coal exports were taken into account.
West Australian Naomi Brown, former chief of the Australasian Fire and Emergency Services Authority, said Emergency Leaders for Climate, which had grown this year from 23 to 29 exfire chiefs, wanted to “draw attention to an appalling problem”.
She said Australia would have worse scorching summers and uncontrollable fires unless action was taken now to tackle climate change. “This is climate change, we are seeing it,” Ms Brown said.
Urging the Morrison government to set the example for others worldwide, she said: “We can’t keep digging up fossil fuels and shipping it out.”
Major General Peter Dunn, retired commissioner of the ACT Emergency Services Authority, said: “We have to stop burning fossil fuels. This is what is inducing climate change. This is not speculation. This is science. Just read what the CSIRO is saying.”
Queensland former fire and emergency services chief Lee Johnson said firefighters were seeing the effects of climate change “firsthand” as they battled blazes.
Professor Flannery said he had no comment about his council’s link to Emergency Leaders.
WHAT IS IT WITH THIS SOFTWARE PROBLEM THAT DUMPS SOME COMMENTS COMPLETELY?
CENSORSHIP, OBVIOUSLY!
Refused to post the Flannery article.
Yes, I remember him.
His very first act as PM was to renege on his commitment to repeal 18C, and his very last act was to sign into being the regulation that effectively introduced an emissions trading scheme which is why we now have record electricity prices. And for good measure, along the way he gave us a “fairness tax”, amongst other things.
A sterling fellow, and a practicing Christian as well, apparently. He will be sorely missed.
Regardless, a very Merry Christmas to you and yours, OSC.
Congrats to the Beetrooter and Mrs Beetrooter.
Could be a great strategy.
Transfer all the gay and lesbian sailors to USS Harvey Milk.
They can have a whale of a time together and not affect the efficiency of the rest of the Navy.
The sailors could hardly object to being sent to the most qwerty ship on the seven seas.
And the vessel could have the Village People single for its ship’s anthem.
Considering they were created by statute, wouldn’t that necessitate a bill to repealed or amended it?
Looking at the current Senate, that might be a tall order; particularly getting the Independent Senator for Hydro Tasmania, sorry, the State of Tasmania, on board.
the USN is going to name a ship after Harvey Milk
The Western Australian version, the HMAS Harvey Milk.
Cute story. Some couples are attached at the hip.
https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2019/12/after-70-years-of-marriage-couple-dies-minutes-and-inches-apart.html
VR – It’s a scam. Last one I had from “Telstra Technical Services Deptartment” happened to coincide with the 1st Aus-Paki cricket test, so I started talking about how good the Paki bowlers were. Especially young Naseem.
The guy took offense at this. Called me rude words, hung up, then rang me twice more to call me more rude words. It was rather funny.
Splat!
Big Kev just pushed Commissioner Cueball under that bus.
Frigging in the rigging..
As is “Nicole from NBN”
Phew! If it was the other way around, it would have been a disaster.
Think of the bus passengers!
Naval ships should go back to names such as HMS Dreadnought:
Ridiculous!
That would be right in the middle of breakfast.
As would be 8:00 and 10:00.
Peter, you’ve got to admit that the great Tony Abbott did “axe the tax”! Some kudos surely.
Thanks for the Christmas greetings, and right back at you with best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. I know it will be tough for you but my thoughts are with you today.
Help!
The name “Big Kev”: who, why, what etc.
The rationale escapes me.
I can’t wait for the new supercarrier USS Donald Trump.
The wailing will be awesome.
Bruce — Very funny. The guy was Indian and I asked him if he was calling from India. He took offence and said that he was calling from 242 Exhibition St. Told him I would call technical support and hung up.
Donald Trump has interrupted the transfer of power from sovereign nations to a global elite. ‘Climate change’ is only one weapon in the globalist arsenal. You would have to go very low in the chain of command to get to the idiots that believe the end is nigh.
Populist movements have sprung up around the world rebelling against global government. Working class Englishmen are the latest to have climbed aboard. Eventually the nexus of global government and the climate change hoax will be realised by all of these populist movements.
scam callers: “Hi this Mr. Obvious Scam from …”
me: “Hi, you have reached the Internet Fraud Division, how can I help you?”
Oops! “This part of the hearing has been redacted” Sad.
Old School Conservative
#3265423, posted on December 18, 2019 at 12:34 pm
Help!
The name “Big Kev”: who, why, what etc.
The rationale escapes me.
I think it is former Chiel Commissioner of VicPol, Christine Nixon.
Based essentially on size, and possibly a resemblance to a bloke who appeared in TV ads a while back?
Democrat support for impeachment is falling.
CNN in denial
Peter MV, harking back to your comments regarding Lord Monckton yesterday, it reminded me of something which happened a few years ago which left me somewhat puzzled.
I attended a lecture given by Monckton on the UWA campus, and a group of individuals turned up with their CEC – LaRouche newspapers and started questioning Monckton about the Royal family. Monckton politely told them to bugger off, he was there to discuss the non-existent CAGW nonsense and he wasn’t interested in their conspiracy theories.
Why are your mates in the CEC targetting Monckton?
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
someone repost the royal commishion into fat idiots link again please.
I will bookmark this time.
Otherwise have four socket sets to arrange and WILL make and post video of said socket sets unless I have a Royal Commission to watch.
There goes long-term spaceflight:
https://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/space/nasa-finds-astronaut-blood-moving-backwards-on-iss-and-bizarre-phenomenon-could-be-deadly-ng-cd501484568ec1066c952005d0cf8ead
Blood flows backward for ISS astronauts…
Ancent Cats of military background might remember (“we must stop burning fossil fuels”) MAJGEN Peter Dunn’s attempt to destroy Army capability through the farcical ‘Army 2000’ project.
I didn’t realise that he had moved on to screwing the whole country via the climate scam, but it is predictable. Being a mindlessly hip attention whore was always his career strategy.
Try this, Arky
https://livestream.com/accounts/4972777/events/8561828/player?width=640&height=360&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false
Thank you JMH.
You are excused from watching the socket sets being cleaned and arranged.
Hey! Fatso Nixon is on. cool.
On the subject of panic, where’s Jones from the Home Guard?
Fat must be a wonderful preservative.
The bird looks no different than she did during her landmark, historic “I had to eat speech”.
Sorry OSC. You’ve lost me. Which tax did Abbott actually “axe”?
(Please don’t say the Carbon Tax. That was one of the dirtiest, most underhand episodes in Australia’s dirty political history).
the USN is going to name a ship after Harvey Milk
Quiz question: what Australian Navy ship was named after a gunfighter of the American West?
I have no idea why they would be targeting him, Old Bloke. First I’ve of heard of it.
And when did they become “mates” of mine?
You have a very Merry Christmas.
Gawd lawyering must be the dullest profession on Earth.
“Nooooowwwww, can you see on document 225F-003, page seven, section five, subclause b (iii) on the left hand side… Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
HMAS Capt. Wilton Parmenter
HMAS Wild Eagle
HMAS Crazy Cat
We need more people with ADD in charge of the world.
“Fuck this shit.
You there! Against the wall”.
I have no idea why they would be targeting him, Old Bloke. First I’ve of heard of it.
And when did they become “mates” of mine?
You have a very Merry Christmas.
Sorry Peter, I thought that you were involved at one time with the CEC.
I hope that you and Boofhead also have a very Merry Christmas.
You think someone with ADD would have the patience to write millions of lines of code that causes an aircraft to fall out of the sky?
Hell no. Just bolt on four engines instead of the two wrong ‘uns.
I did more than that Old Bloke. I created it. From nothing.
But that was long before the likes of Etteridge and some other bloke came along and subverted it.
And that, in turn, was before it got commandeered by the LaRouche crowd.
Somewhere in all that was when Pauline Hanson got involved with them.
Ancient history now.
When trying to track down details on HMS Skirmisher to which my grandad was assigned in WWI, I discovered the Flower (or Gladiolus) class corvettes. I had a good giggle thinking about burly, bearded, tattooed, British sailors stomping into the pub with HMS Bluebell or Buttercup on their wee hats. Whatever happened to Invincible?
Worth a look:
https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#nem-dispatch-overview
HMAS “Wheretheheckarewe”
…
Areff
I’ve heard from Sinc and have sent you some stuff via email.
(Just in case it goes to spam…)
Smelters off the grid?
You are tasked with adding a comma to that sentence.
1st prize is a dinner* with Christine Nix.
* you may be the main course
Prison will be interesting too, you degenerate perv.
Do you think they might consider putting this in as a key competency, within the Job Description, when they go to market looking for the next one?
Perhaps included it as a KPI?
Cops used to note and/or log everything. By the time they get to that level, it should be ingrained in their DNA. It just doesn’t add up.
Mental health issues will probably be raised?
This unprecedented heatwave is crippling.
The temperature here in sub-tropical SE QLD has now soared to 28 degrees.
I would not be the one to suggest that there might be some collusion between the commissioners, but couldn’t one of them have lost a diary (or two)?
The temperature here in sub-tropical SE QLD has now soared to 28 degrees.
43c where I am.
Getting a tad warm now.
Three? Well seems very unusual.
I’m slowly making my way through IT’s link on the problem with porn:
If this is more or less true, no prudent society can continue to ignore it.
You don’t have to go back and rebut his same idiotic points with your same insights whenever he wants.
I don’t think I have ever considered the winner of a debate to be the last person who spoke, but the person who answered with the unanswerable. All the best points stand on their own merit.
When Numbers or OmPoida do that thing just link to when you explained it previously and say “As we have been through before…”
Now, if you get your jollies out of sparring with tards then go to it. My point would be that if you think you will get them to concede you are right then you are on a hiding to nothing.
Yesterday a great column of CL’s was ruined by OmPoida squatting over the blog and disgorging a huge noisome brain-turd. From there he led people who engaged with him off on tangent after tangent and then, as usual, he went back to his first putrescence and started again. The discussion on CL’s post was lost in all the noise.
As I say, if you enjoy slapping the silly little buggers then fine. Go to it. But don’t do it because you think you are going to win. They are not here to be right. They are here to waste your time and smother discussions.
Even when you have utterly demolished their points with a meticulous display of clear thinking, they have won.
Just sayin’.
The dog ate my diary.
Telco call records and associated meta data must be kept by telcos for a long time. I recall that this was legislated by the Trumble government. Correct me if I am wrong.
Has the RC requested the call records of our commissioners and Ms Gobbo? If not, why not?
And how about we get their phone location history from Apple/Google ?
Dover, did you see these stories?
No, Dover. “The neutral public square”.
We must never trample on the rights of pornographers, ever! Besides, the free market invented a filter.
More than likely.
Inevitable.
As I remember Don Chipp said it was harmless.
When your predictions begin to approximate real events and real temperatures then it might be worth a look.
But, of course, it is simpler to just look at real temperatures and events.
But then there is nothing to panic about.
Poor buggers so desperately want to save us from ourselves, but they can’t find anything we need that they can deliver.
Peak 2019.
When someone takes Timmy seriously.
Upon his arrest, Mr Brierley allegedly told officers he found the material “interesting”
Yeah, but did he mention pizza or handkerchief’s?
The world actually controlled by pedo satanist cabal?
Yeh,nah,nah,nah…couldn’t be,m8.
Liberalism kills people in private, socialism kills them in public.
Both are abhorrent ideologies.
With the usual suspects. Scrolling, scrolling… Rawhide!
Quiz question: what Australian Navy ship was named after a gunfighter of the American West?
Answer: HMAS Wyatt Earp
The porn industry is run by….errrr…
And didn’t a certain ethno-state recently ban it within their borders?
🤔
I recall a poster on Piers Akerman’s articles many who went by the handle ‘Death To The Left’. Does that person post here?
Warship naming
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-arse’.
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
-o-o-O-o-o-
Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
38.1c currently in the Yarragrad Oblast.
Too hot for schooners. Back to pots.
Swellnet says waves are tiny down the coast,natch.
Knuckles, get in here and tell us your movements. Come to TigerTown for a round! Matrix is in, we’ll round up some other stray Cats too!
Sorry to bother you C.L., but I’m genuinely confused by a comment upthread.
Did you recently author a post about something?
As far as I remember, the only posts I’ve read in the past couple of weeks have been the Open ones, and the one yesterday by Elle. Your advice would be appreciated.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Warship naming
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-a rse’.
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
-o-o-O-o-o-
Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
Warship naming
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-arse’.
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS C ockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
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Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
Is my list of banned words complete?
Checked an article trying to post for all words and still going into moderation:
Ba lls
I slam
M uslim
N igger
W og
J ew
C oon
M ohammad in all variations
P aedophile
P edophile
R ape
R apist
Facebook has apologised and that page has now been reinstated
It’s not just British Labour it’s a new class war: technocratic bugmen and their retarded white collar professional lickspittles vs the everyman.
I have to read it C.L. but their on-going ill-treatment of the canonization of Sheen is a stain on their souls that our Lord will not look lightly upon.
This is what journalism looks like.
AltRight media.
Show it to a journo from the 60’s/70’s.
What would they reckon,reckon?
A lot of people would dream of a marriage that endured like that.
No inkling that an integral part of it was the difficulties they dealt with together, or even that there may even have been moments when they doubted whether they wished to stay together, but accepted that it takes work sometimes, and thus they reap their reward.
BTW, nothing illustrates this pontificate better than that picture. An absolute malevolent clown show.
labour hate the working class
Drop a vowel and this is what I’ve been using in the site toilet stalls.
Need to start making my own stickers….
I’m guessing that Nixon, Overland and Ashton all kept detailed diaries of the period under review and that they are therefore lying to the Royal Commission. There should be serious consequences, including criminal charges, but there won’t be in Dickhead Dan’s lawless CFMEU caliphate of Victoriastan, where selected insiders are above the law.
It looks to me like Simple Simon is going to be the fall guy.
IT,
That article strikes me as containing too much pop neuroscience. The same argument could be used to ban sugar because it also activates the same pathways.
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That’s rubbish. Hypofrontality is not evidence of brain damage. It can indicative of a problem but not necessarily indicative of tissue loss.
An addict can have very poor self control in one domain and excellent self control in other. Smoking is an obvious example. We must ban smoking because it makes people lose control? While we’re at it ban video games, mobile phones, fast cars … .
So many things have been claimed to be a threat to civilisation and we’re still here.
Why doesn’t he go all the way and assert porn causes glioblastomas?
I’m not reading anymore, I’ve seen too many articles like this that claim to be based on neuroscience. There’s is much controversy in interpreting neuroimaging results and I’m certainly no expert on that but sufficient numbers of those claims have been debunked that I will not trust those results just because they are in peer reviewed journals.
Porn is a problem. Some could argue titty bars are a problem. When will the banning stop?
Labor dilemma: Can Anthony Albanese avoid the Jeremy Corbyn wreck?
JACK THE INSIDER
After Labour’s abject humiliation last week, one thing we can be grateful for is the “Oh, Jeremy Corbyn” chant to the tune of the White Stripes’ Seven Nation Army will never be seen or heard of again.
But the poison that has consumed the party will course through its veins for years. Like arterial blood spray on an otherwise pristine white shirt, the stain may never be removed.
There are big, important lessons for Anthony Albanese and Labor in Australia to learn, too. The problem for Labour with a u is eerily similar to that of Labor without one.
Corbyn, who babbled culpas various without managing to conjugate the first person singular, claimed his party had won the argument but lost the election. It was the greatest piece of self-delusion since Billy Snedden conceded in the 1974 Australian federal election, declaring that his party had neither lost nor won.
I have spent many amusing hours since the news of Boris Johnson’s landslide triumph reading Corbynist columns that pollute the internet. Gary Younge, formally editor at large with The Guardian, is a particular favourite.
In internet speak, the columns have not aged well. Even in the latter part of the campaign, where polling showed Corbyn was about as popular as something I just stepped in, Younge waxed philosophical that Corbyn had already won by sheer weight of his rancid 1970’s socialist platform. He’d been writing this empty triumphalist nonsense for four years.
It must have come as a crippling disappointment to discover that renationalising the railways was not a vote winner in 2019.
One delicious quote sent to me by a friend in the wake of Corbyn’s crushing defeat sums up Labour’s woes and highlights the dilemma faced by all progressive parties in western democracies.
The provenance of the quote goes back some years to the Brexit referendum. It ran in Tim Shipman’s study of the politics of Brexit, “All Out War” and how leavers outplayed the hapless remain campaign so utterly, so comprehensively.
But the comment could easily have been made this morning just before lunchtime.
“There are always going to be 500,000 people in the country who are off-the-page nuts. The problem we’ve got is that they have all joined the Labour Party because of Jeremy Corbyn.”
Problems won’t end with Corbyn’s exit
The quote is a masterpiece of political analysis in two sentences. Sadly, it was uttered by an unnamed Labour MP in 2016. That Labour MP should have put his name to it and shouted it long and loud then. Corbyn should have it tattooed on his forehead now.
The anonymous Labour MP went on.
“It slowly dawned on us that the man’s insane and the people around him are too.”
Labour’s problems won’t end when Corbyn finally departs. If he had a shred of decency, he would have hitched a ride on the collective caravan and departed on Thursday night. Not that this matters because what Corbyn will leave in his rancid path is a party whose soul has been sold to a platform that is electoral scorched earth.
It is as if the recent history of politics in the UK was scribbled down on the back of a napkin and accidentally hurled into the bin with the table scraps.
Twisted history
For the record, since Margaret Thatcher became leader of the Conservatives, James Callaghan lost, Michael Foot lost, Neil Kinnock lost (twice), John Smith died in office, Tony Blair won (three times), Gordon Brown lost, Ed Miliband lost and now Corbyn has lost again.
The twisted history of the Corbynites now portrays Blair as the failure among this group because he is perceived perhaps more now than ever as a ‘Red Tory’, a pejorative used on social media as a brutal rejoinder in the election campaign to attack Labor’s centrists who had the temerity to wonder out loud what the hell had happened to their party.
The truth is Blair did more for the working class, more for the marginalised, more in health, more in education, and more in social justice in the space of a weekend than Corbyn has done in his entire rancid career.
Corbyn’s toxic achievements are not only that he ideologically hijacked a party, but that he brought like-minded “off-the-page nuts” along with him in such significant number that cultist organisations like the Momentum group were formed who continue to hold a gun to the party’s head.
Albanese’s balancing act
We might think Labor in Australia holds its heroes higher. Albanese praises the Hawke-Keating reforms now but in his early days as a rising star in the NSW Left, he was less than effusive.
In any event, he has to traverse the high wire act of driving policy that may run contrary to views held by large sections of the party’s rank and file. For example, many from the party’s Left want coal mining gone by last Thursday with coal miners, with shearers traditionally Labor’s most iconic group, roughly dispatched to socio-economic oblivion.
A party leader respects the rank and file view but does not kowtow to it.
Politics is not a sport. It’s not a game. It’s not an intellectual stroll in the park. It is not of itself as the romanticists describe it, a contest of ideas.
Major political parties exist only to gain power and wield it. When they don’t for long periods of time they veer into irrelevance, internal animus, into a vortex of failure and finally to a point where they simply cease to exist.
I’m sure Albanese has looked long and hard at the Corbyn misadventure. We don’t know just yet what he might have learned if anything.
But if we start hearing devotional chants to Albo at music festivals, we’ll know Labor is in big trouble.
Link
Ooooo
This guy.
Respect
Surfn Cats will love.
Another reason for a VICPOL Chief not to record details in a diary would be to hide all the inappropriate discussions with their political masters.
Luckily Ken Jones kept records but then again he was a real cop not a political one.
Errr, fkn Clarence got in me way!
If they haven’t, how could they possible write their sensational memoires in the future?
TE – Tom had a problem with Oz story this morning. I tried several times. I managed to post parts separately. Some successful and some not. No obvious reasons why. A mystery inside a puzzle inside an enigma.
The scrolling muscles on my mouse-hand have 6-packs.
We must ban smoking because it makes people lose control? While we’re at it ban video games, mobile phones, fast cars …
Hehe, Tiger, you’ve noticed this too,right?
Lol
Or, more correctly, lying through her dentures.
Spot on.
They would have been assiduously recording every last detail.
This was going straight to Hollywood.
Of course, when they realised the route to Hollywood might be via HM Prison Barwon, there was a bonfire of the diaries.
Yep. His statement to the RC is a great read if you want to understand what has actually gone on here.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/12/sir-ken-jones-reveals-the-pro-labor-corrupt-culture-in-victoria-police-1.html
Porn and titty bars are actually quite different in my opinion. Very different interaction.
Both are sinful, but at least one is getting you out of the house.
Warship naming
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
HMAS Australia (I) under
inspection by Royalty in 1914
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
Teddy Sheean’s final moments as a Japanese aircraft attacks
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-arse’.
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
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Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
It’s the usual argument.
“Well if we are going to ban meth, I guess we’ll have to ban green tea!”
If Viktoristan was a local council it would be placed in administration.
Warship naming
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-arse’.
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
Is the inclusion of ‘w0g’ due to copyright considerations?
It’s the usual argument.
But I don’t recall you calling for a ban on anything?
Link, please
😃
Always going to be.
He’s damaged goods anyway.
Nixon is sisterhood, so no problems for her.
Ashton fixed the red-shirts so he is safe.
Planet Cornelius is Ashton’s bestie from Plastic Fed days, so he’s OK.
.
Simon back in the box next.
Does he take one for the team, or pull the string on the suicide vest?
Warship naming Pt 1
By Top Ender
Why are warships named as they are? The Royal Australian Navy has inherited a tradition handed down from the Royal Navy, but in recent years has moved to adopt its own ideas on how to decide these significant titles.
A lot of significance can be attached to a name, and for a long time ships have been regarded by mankind almost as living things. They can also be seen as symbols of a country or ruler’s authority. In 1418, Britain’s King Henry V paid the Bishop of Bangor five pounds for christening the largest warship of the time, the Henri Graze A Dieu, which translated as Henry By Grace Of God. This certainly reminded the general public that he was appointed by divine right.
A look through the history of the RAN’s many hundreds of ships shows that while themes have often been followed in ship-naming, this is not always the case. The ship list of 2001 was relatively disciplined, with FFGs following city names; the patrol boats carrying the names of towns – and therefore following in the footsteps of the WWII corvettes; Collins-class submarines carrying famous RAN members’ surnames, and so on. However, a look through Joe Straczek’s The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments, shows a bewildering variety in the past: from Acheron and Aeolus to Yippee to Zetta.
To name a warship after a country or sovereign is particularly significant. Consider what happens to the nation’s morale if that warship is heavily damaged or sunk. Perhaps for that reason, the British liner Queen Elizabeth II was kept well out of harm’s way in the Falklands War, rather than being utilised as a troopship or general transport, as some had suggested.
The RAN has had two Australia’s. The first was scuttled outside Sydney in 1924 as a result of the naval limitations brought about as a result of the Washington Treaty, and the second saw much action in WWII, including being hit five times by kamikaze aircraft. Since then the name has lain dormant. Historian Joe Straczek, when working for the Naval History Directorate, advised that the name is reserved for “a large vessel, which due to its role would have a high national and regional profile.”
Some ship names might be considered ill-fated. Two Voyagers have been lost by the RAN, the first off Timor in WWII, where she went aground and was partially destroyed by her own ship’s company to prevent her falling into the hands of the enemy. The second Voyager was sunk off Jervis Bay in February 1964 by a collision with the aircraft carrier Melbourne. Will the Navy ever have another ship of this name?
Sometimes the names themselves of ships can provoke argument. Some years ago the Anzac-class frigate Arunta’s naming was in some confusion over claims that the spelling should have been Arrente or another variation, which would reflect better the pronunciation of the Arrente Aboriginal tribe after which the original WWII ship was named. After some argument and further research – including a visit to the tribe, who pointed out they didn’t have a written language – the original spelling was retained.
Aboriginal names have featured further in the RAN – Otama for example, is an Aboriginal word meaning “dolphin”, which is particularly apt, as this vessel is a submarine. Our first submarines were named AE1 and AE2, with the “A” in their name standing for “Australian” added to the Royal Navy’s “E”-class letter and number.
A tendency in the RAN to use abstract concepts or place names for ships was changed with the naming of the Collins-class submarines. These all were all given the names of heroic past members of the Service, with HMAS Sheean being distinguished by carrying the name of sailor Teddy Sheean, who died in heroic action on board HMAS Armidale in WWII.
The Royal Australian Navy has also sometimes followed the RN with also using placenames, spiritual attributes or mythological titles for its ships. So the RN has had as examples of the first HMS Belfast; for the second HMS Victory and for the third HMS Jupiter.
The Royal Navy has ship names which go back in time for hundreds of years, and like other navies, are called back into service as necessity dictates. Ark Royal; Royal Sovereign, Invincible, Revenge and so on are ship names that have been used many times. Over the past 400 years or so of the formal existence of the Royal Navy there have been some 24, 000 ships. RN vessel names extend across a wide spectrum from counties and towns, to bird species, to heroic individuals and places, and the mythical Gods. The naming conventions have evolved over the many years of the Navy and the origins are unclear.
Some ship nicknames within the RN are quite clever:
‘Eggshells’, the nickname for Achilles (1905)
‘The Smoke’, London (1927)
‘Gin Palace’, Agincourt (1913)
‘Tea Boat’, Ceylon (1942)
‘Big Lizzie’, Queen Elizabeth (1914)
‘Despair Ship Remorse’, Resource (1928)
‘Tin Duck’, Iron Duke (1913)
RAN nicknames are less widely distributed, but include:
HMAS Queenborough – The Queen Bee
HMAS Brisbane – The Steel Cat
HMAS Cerberus at FND has been known as ‘Sarah-bare-arse’.
Part 2
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
Can all Cats&Dol…Trolls at least, on this Christmas Week, present day, agree that dentures are death for public speakers?
Ffs,xunts
🦆🧐😅
Bloody ‘ell some maniac has lit a fire just down the road, and it has taken off.
Four lit here yesterday apparently.
It needs to be recognised as, and treated as what it is – terrorism.
Part 2
The Royal Navy has also featured some unusual names. HMS Cockchafer, for example, was a Royal Navy Insect class gunboat. Launched on 17 December 1915, she was the fifth Royal Navy ship to carry this name. The Insect class spent most of their service on Chinese rivers.
Starting at the beginning of the 20th Century, US Navy ships followed a system tailored to ship types. Names of states, for example, were borne by battleships. Cruisers were named for cities while destroyers came to be named for American naval leaders and heroes, as today’s destroyers are still named. Starting in 1931 submarines were named for “fish and denizens of the deep.” Mass-produced anti-submarine patrol and escort ships were named in honour of members of the naval service killed in action in World War II. Some were named for destroyers lost in the early stages of that war. Ships lost in wartime were normally honoured by having their names reassigned to new construction. During World War II the names of individuals were once again assigned to aircraft carriers.
Until the 1970s, the United States followed a custom of not naming a ship for a person while the person was still alive. The first ship named for a then-living person was USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), named in 1975. Other examples of ships named for then-living people include: USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76); Arleigh Burke (DDG 51); Hyman G. Rickover (SSN 709); Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) and USNS Bob Hope (T-AKR 300). Another unusually-named US ship is the Fletcher-class destroyer USS The Sullivans, launched in 1943, and named for five brothers who lost their lives in the Battle of the Solomon Islands when their ship was sunk.
Notably in USN history there has featured a USS Canberra, that name being given to a cruiser commissioned in 1943. This was in honour of the Australian cruiser Canberra, sunk while operating with American warships during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942. The naming “…was seen to be an appropriate exception to the custom of naming cruisers for American cities”, according to one US source. Canberra’s loss can in part be related to the failure of the American radar ships in that battle to detect the oncoming Japanese force.
This outcome affected the naming of one of the “Tribal” class destroyers built in Australia from 1940. At the meeting of the Naval Board in July the board decided to recommend to the Minister the names Arunta, Warramunga and Chingilli. Later, at their meeting on 29 March 1941 (item 48) they gave further consideration to the third ‘Tribal’ and recommended the name Kurnai be submitted. Subsequently, however, the name of this ship became Bataan, to reciprocate for the USN’s gesture. Bataan was later launched by Mrs Jean MacArthur, the famous US general’s wife.
Some of the more unusual RAN ship names have arisen because ships were taken up from trade in time of conflict and retained their – rather “non-naval” – names in their service career. Some names which might be worth a second glance:
Blowfly – a survey launch of 1944.
Bluenose – a part-time Naval Auxiliary Patrol vessel.
Bogan – a frigate ordered in WWII, but which never eventuated with the cancellation of the order.
Cockroach – a motor launch of 1914.
The “Snake” series of 66’ armed trawlers of WWII – so Coral Snake; Grass Snake and so on.
Mate-O-Mine – a requisitioned cabin cruiser which served in WWII.
Tasmania – a destroyer of the 1920s – there has not been another Tasmania but there have been two Tassie’s – both auxiliary patrol vessels of WWII.
Vagrant – name given to two patrol vessels of WWII.
Wyatt Earp – two Antarctic patrol vessels, the first entering service in 1947 and the second in 1993. As RT Sexton tells us in Ships That Passed, the unusual name of this (first) ship was because she was taken up from trade and that was her name at the time. She was originally the Fanefjord, built in Norway in 1919. A wooden ship, she was a single-deck motor vessel, 150 feet in length, of 402 tons, and made of Baltic pine. She had two masts and carried fore-and-aft auxiliary sails. Her superstructure, with one tall thin funnel, was placed well aft.
After 10 years of herring fishing in the North Sea, she was purchased by a sealing firm which operated her in the Arctic seas around Greenland. Sexton relates:
While engaged in this she was seen by the famous Australian explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins, who had been commissioned by the American Lincoln Ellsworth to purchase a suitable vessel for Antarctic exploration. He bought the Fanefjord and Ellsworth renamed her Wyatt Earp after a Wild West character – the fighting Sheriff of Tombstone, whose deeds have become part of American folklore.
However, perhaps the most unusual names of RAN vessels were those of the “Chinese ships” of WWII. These were all ex-Chinese river steamers or ocean-going vessels on the Japan-China-Australia run. During WWII they were requisitioned and manned by RAN members, serving from December 1941 to 1946. They were HMA ships Ping Wo, Poyang, Whang Pu, Yunnan and VSIS (Victualling Supply Issue Ship) Changte and Taiping.
Sources:
Evans, Peter. President of the RAN Fairmile Association. Naval Board meeting notes.
Federation of American Scientists web site: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm
Royal Navy. “Covey Crump” website: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/content/377.html
Royal Navy. http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/
Sexton, RT. Ships That Passed. Friends of the South Australian Maritime Museum. No other publishing information on site except ISBN 0 646 31467 X. Complete text given at: http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/malcolm/shippass.htm
Straczek, Joe. “What’s in a Name – the naming of RAN Units”. Warship. Volume 12/2002. (16)
Straczek, Josef. The Royal Australian Navy: Ships, Aircraft and Shore Establishments. Sydney: Navy Public Affairs, 1996.
Wildy, Merv. Chinese Ships’ Association. Descriptive article. In the possession of the author.
For some reason the system balks at the sources list. Three HTML links, but nothing else unusual. Oh well.
What is the verdict on whether or not Christine is going down?
It was an historic speech:
TE – Those words get you moderated (also the c*** word and the tag of a Cat: r a b z).
What you seem to be getting is WordPress spam filtering. There’s no clear criteria for that, although sometimes removing all links will work. Sometimes it doesn’t.
I can only guess they have an machine learning algorithm trained on spam ‘comments’ and etc which gets triggered by certain phrases and styles.
What is the verdict on whether or not Christine is going down?
You want to rephrase that IR?
Some visions are hard to get out of your mind.
I never did.
You can’t ban porn. You can make it harder for kids to get, but they don’t want that to happen.
It’s almost like they get off on it.
The point I was making is that the author doesn’t understand executive function because he thinks one addiction is indicative of a loss of self-control generally. That is obviously wrong. You should know that when someone asserts porn does to your brain what smoking does to your lungs is such absurd hyperbole that the author might want to consider he is already in the throes of vascular dementia(smoking is a major cause of vascular dementia).
I nominate IT as porn tzar of Australia.
Hedge funds short companies they say ‘greenwash’
Let me help her out with some of her testimony:
Was he not using a metaphor?
Smoking is a net good. Porn has no redeeming worth.
“Pleece” is not a word.
“Thunbugging” — howling about a non-existent problem and demanding action because won’t somebody think of the children. When questioned, get all uppity and say, “How dare you?”
Bubbles – That’s so not going to happen. You will see why by reading this recent story.
Interesting point vr.
Up until recently, one of the biggest ESG screening providers in Australia had two banks rated deep green.
Westpac & Bendigo/Adelaide Bank.
Macquarie was moved off their RED list to light green.
PS their rating system is ranked deep green, light green, red light.
For every one thing you want to ban, you have to name two other things you want to unban.
It worked for Trump with the US Federal Register … seems like a winning approach.
Narwhal Tusk
#3264986, posted on December 17, 2019 at 11:14 pm
I seem to recall that some time ago we were offered a battalion of Gurkas that were for some reason superfluous to the British army. The offer was rejected. Do you remember this or am I suffering from FITH syndrome?
The issue arose around the time that Hong Kong was being handed over to the Chinese (1997).
The local Gurkha headquarters in HK was relocated to Britain but, the Gurkhas were not granted permission to live permanently in the UK. (Gurkhas have always had the raw end of the stick serving in the British army).
Anyway, there was a ‘call’ for Australia to take an infantry regiment (or something similar) but I don’t recall it being a formal offer from the British. Rather, it was a suggestion by well-meaning citizens to ‘help’ the Gurkhas whilst bolstering our own forces. (John Howard was our PM at the time so you would have to ask him whether the idea was given any Government consideration regardless of source).
Footnote: It wasn’t until 2009 that the UK was forced to change their immigration rules about ex Gurkha soldiers and admit them to the UK with permanent residency.
I don’t want to ban anything. It doesn’t work.
I want a culture that embraces shame and responsibility. Far better tools than banning stuff.
Simon back in the box next.
Does he take one for the team, or pull the string on the suicide vest?
Lol!
Nothing happens to the protected crew.
Falling up, generally?
Accelerate things and things will turn out differently.
#stockpilingAKs
I am hoping the RC follows the well worn path of letting Overland, Nixon et al. hang themselves by their testimony and bring out the documents later that expose their lies.
I’d like to see Ken Lay on the stand. He mysteriously retired prematurely, and I’d like to imagine he did so because of the stench. He might have kept notes too…
I want a culture that embraces shame
I believe shame was last seen in the 1990’s.
Au contraire. Imagine rough burly men bounding into the pub and not a single person dare even risk the slightest smile at the little flowers.
I would direct you to the scene in Firefly when Jayne Cobb (the most aggressive and violent, but least cerebral of the group) receives an orange knitted hat from his mother.
Isn’t Ken Lay making an appearance.
It’s almost like they get off on it.
Needs more ((()))
Tubby Nixon fading fast.
Blood sugar must be dangerously low.
Very subdued.
Except when her great and glorious victories are mentioned.
Like the great racist stubby holder crime at Sunshine, or the stolen footy tipping money at Frankston South station.
Yes, Christine was all over pleece corruption wherever it was and whether or not it actually existed.
I’m right behind Localism,btw.
Haoles, fk off
vr , Bern
Isn’t it wonderful. You can short stocks but never short humanity as there’s too many decent ones. These hedge dudes are doing the lord’s work on earth.
Bern.
The ESG ratings are dodgy. So, academic studies by good researchers are few. What little there is find a positive relationship wth performance. I remain sceptical.
I tell ya one thing that has changed, when I was lad anyone that couldn’t hold their piss or threw up was deeply shamed.
The modern yoof seem to consider a chunder as something to be proud of.
Shameful.
JC, that ESG screening service consults on over $A250billion of assets, according to their own marketing.
That is just under 10% of the total superannuation market in Oz.
Greenwashing is a big business.
Most companies in the ASX100 would employ an ESG consultant to liaise with the ESG ratings businesses.
I was never called a haole in the water. Mostly the boyz were calling me in to waves I probably shouldn’t taken off on….
Lol, love
They used to knock on our car window to wake us up for dawn surfcheck. Laughing bastards!
We lived between Pipe& Rocky’s.
Hehe
Good times!
High 5 to self
Spouse was/is crook.
Not sure that the RC recording facilities are large enough to handle ken’s expected waffle.
Expect a 4 hour response from ken on the first question*.
* can you state your name?
Peter:
yes, of course I was referring to the carbon tax.
Scrapped in 2014.
Looking at some news reports from back then it was clear PUP only voted with LNP if an ETS would be put in place, and Abbott was evasive in answering “will there ever be a price on carbon”.
It looks to me like Simple Simon is going to be the fall guy.
That’s for certain Tom.
But Dinner Lady and Fatty Ashton won’t get off the hook.
Mulkearns was able to dial into the child abuse RC.
Surely Ken Lay can at least dial in.
I’m talking older dudes. In plain black boardies. That every ripper used to come to pay respects.
Me&my boy were somehow smoking joints at Rocky Point with these local legends.
Fkn waterman stories?
Oooo
JC, Bern.
Here is one of the best responses I have ever read against ESG type behaviour. This is TJ Rogers of Cypress Semiconducters responding to a Catholic nun abput diversity. This is from 1996!
Can’t find the full link online (though I have the pdf somewhere).
Actually, they called us out as ‘haoles’ in the dark morning wakeups.
Yeh,yeh,fk off,xunt
😃
Aloha!
I was only…. Young 😎
vr
TJ is or was one of my heroes. I haven’t heard much from him over the past decade and a bit. He’s great.
TJ is a gentleman in his response. Me, I would have told sister Doris to fuck off and stick to praying.
JC — I have a friend who worked at Cypress in the early days. I remember him telling me that he was quite the character.
I believe he retired quite a few years ago. I use this in class and recently gave it to someone who teaches investments at UT Austin (and an advisor to TIAA-CREF). They hadn’t heard of this.
Okay, I’m calling bullshyte, Mother Lode.
I’ve been back over the last five days and I can’t find a column by C.L. that I have commented on at all. I have also been back over the last five days of this thread and can’t find a single post by C.L. that I have commented on in reply.
I have more than enough character faults for people to rubbish without you making them up and plucking them out of your own arsehole.
Put up or shut up.
Merry Christmas.
Hypothetical:
We have a timeline of incumbents
Commissioner A
Commissioner B
Commissioner C
Commissioner D
Q. If A,B and D were corrupt, is it possible for C to be unaware of this?
A. Only if he was roolly stupid.
Lol!
New owner/manager(?) of the local spot.
Talking about his car…at the bar.
Yeah, what you got,m8? (This guy is a 6’6 monster at 50ish, busting out of his fkn button up shirt,no joke. I’d already told the other bar hipster that I could definitely take him in an arm wrestle. He Punk’d out with some shoulder excuse)
XR6…
Turbo right?
Nah…
Yeh,fkn come talk to me when ya got a fast car,m8…
Hehe
Thanks for your very well written comment/posts on neuro matters Mitch.
I have a personal interest in it and your pithy summaries are very helpful. Please keep it up.
Metaphor should be appropriate in providing a realistic demonstration of the potential danger.
Smoking is not a net good though I recall a Japanese health minister who once stated older people should take up smoking because they will die earlier and hence save on health costs. That’s a reasonable argument but he was forced to retract.
The problem we face today is that the internet makes so many things available to people that a greater number will succumb and be entrapped if not addicted to those things. For any given stimulus there is percentage of people who will have poor control over their responses to that stimulus. I don’t know how to deal with this issue. It might be a slow change in the culture but that could take a long time. When indigenous peoples are exposed to alcohol the effects can be devastating because the culture has never addressed the issue of how to moderate intake. The problem may be self-limiting.
But people hide their porn watching habit and in my experience I can’t recall people extolling the virtues of porn. If anything there is already considerable shame attached to watching porn all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised if a surprising number of people occasionally indulge in some porn watching but they aren’t the problem. It is that certain percentage people who lose control over their porn watching.
Shame and responsibility can certainly work for most people but is not nearly as effective as those susceptible to a particular habit. Shame and responsibility has led to huge drops in smoking rates not just in Aus, where the cost factor clearly has driven down smoking, but in other countries smoking rates are also declining however there is that certain percentage who will keep smoking.
I just did another’straya streets video.
It was good. Koori flavour too…
But gunner, as per, was in pause/record reverse.
Ffs.
Professionalism,please!!
And dude took his shirt off, for Blue Oyster Cats.