Open Forum: December 14, 2019

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  1. Knuckle Dragger

    Mid afternoon in Yarrograd. 24 degrees. Mid-late December.

    Great Heat my arse.

  2. Leigh Lowe

    The biggest land rights deal in Australian history will proceed after the Federal Court of Australia on Thursday knocked out a last-minute appeal from a dissident group of Noongar people from the southwest of Western Australia.

    Fuck me.
    Where have all the sub-editors gone?
    It is the Boongar people.
    Boongars.

  3. Cardimona:

    So I acquired a greenie stalker for a while recently.
    He’d pedal his bicycle up the long, steep, dead-end country road I live on and hide in the paddock across the street to stake out my house.

    That’s bit weird. Have you spoken to the coppers about it?

  4. Zatara

    Now let’s see if Pelosi is going to come up with an excuse to not send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.

    That way she can claim a win as he is impeached, but he doesn’t get to be tried and acquitted by the Senate. It protects them from all that damning testimony, and the charges that would come out of it, that they refused to allow in the sham House hearings.

    It also avoids the fun of getting the Dem Senators who are presidential candidates challenged off the jury for conflict of interest.

    Since this fiasco has zero chance of success in the Senate that may be the consolation prize the Dems can get out of it. Not that it will do them any good.

  5. Rockdoctor

    Just flipped off Sky, some millennial idiot Greg Brown(?) bumbling his way through coal bad meme. The Australian employs this clown too, no wonder I didn’t subscribe when it went behind paywall… Bespectacled stingbean didn’t pull him up once to expand on his assertions. These idiots honestly believe that coal miners will be retrained a barista makers or something & the economy will just trundle along as nothing happened! Sheesh…

  6. Arky

    Check the kilos next time you get into a Toyota Hybrid taxi (Camry or Prius).
    300000+ on original battery and transmission is not uncommon.

    ..
    You don’t have to tell me about taxi kilometres.
    A taxi will do up to a thousand kilometres in a busy 24 hour day. It rarely cools down.
    The old Falcons would rack up 600 or 700 thousand ks before being off the road due to a five year limit on their working lives.
    This is not how you use your car and you should take nothing from it wrt the longevity of your own purchase.

  7. Top Ender

    Yuendumu shooting: Judge denies cop’s application to have case moved

    Constable Zachary Rolfe, who is charged with murder over the shooting death of Kumanjayi Walker in Yuendumu, will continue to have his case heard in Alice Springs after his application to have it moved to Darwin was denied today.

    Rolfe’s lawyers made an application to have all preliminary proceedings of the case moved last week, saying their client may not get a fair hearing in Alice Springs because of the “blatant misinformation” circulating in the press and on social media.

    Judge John Birch, who appeared in Darwin Local Court today via video link from Alice Springs, said there was not enough evidence to suggest Rolfe would not receive a fair trial in Alice Springs.

    “Nothing’s been placed before me that demonstrates the defendant would not receive a fear preliminary examination hearing in Alice Springs,” Judge Birch said.

    “Judges sitting at the Local Court for many years have provided access to justice for people remotely in surrounding communities including Yuendumu.”

    He also said that concerns for Rolfe’s safety due to public unrest surrounding Mr Walker’s death could be “dealt with through the use of video conferencing facilities” – meaning Rolfe would not have to appear in person in Alice Springs.

    Rolfe’s lawyer Luke Officer appeared in Darwin Local Court today, with Rolfe appearing via video link from Canberra.

    Judge Birch said that if the case moves from preliminary hearings to a murder trial in the Supreme Court, Rolfe’s lawyers can apply again to have the trial moved to Darwin.

    “At the completion of the preliminary examination, the court must consider whether the evidence is sufficient for trial,” he said.

    NT Police Association president Paul McCue said he was “disappointed” with the decision.

    “The only thing Constable Rolfe did wrong that day was go to work and protect the community like a police officer does in the Northern Territory,” he said.

    NT News

    I have a carton bet on with a mate who is a police officer in another state. He reckons the charge will never stick. I reckon my (sad) opinion that it will is now stronger.

  8. Juan

    I didn’t fight very hard for The Skank, as she’d gone from the beautiful creature I married once to the sort of beast described so beautifully by Mr Rusty and Struth earlier today. Frankly, it was a relief. Her stated goals in,life were a) to be rich, and b) live in Queensland. It was never c) to be part of a loving family.

    I was walking down Goulburn Street with a few friends and I pointed out the Family Court building. A friend asked why it looked like Fort Knox. I explained, rather prosaically, Family Court litigation invokes more emotion than any other court process, hence the Court itself ends up looking like a fortress.

  9. Juan

    The Australian employs this clown too, no wonder I didn’t subscribe when it went behind paywall…

    Alice Workman was an interesting hire for The Oz.

  10. Porter

    I didn’t ask for a repeat whinge about your ex, Knuckle Dragger. As I said – and clearly you missed my point – you have repeated yourself enough over the years. I am sure that your ex would have some amusing observations about how you were no longer the young gentleman she thought she married. It takes two to tango. Not all of us subscribe to a one-sided story.

    I made a passing comment about a bloody boxing match. It takes a certain measure of insecurity to see that as an assault on your masculinity. Then again you seem to have this irrational fear of man buns. Or did a sumo wrestler sit on you once, perhaps?

  11. Boambee John

    Noongar people will jointly run the state’s national parks.

    I look forward to the enthusiastic application of traditional land management (fuel reduction) practices, to the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth of various branches of the Slime.

  12. struth

    I mean, seriously, not even the most conspiratorially-driven could sustain an argument the High Court has been politically stacked.

    Mabo.

  13. hzhousewife

    Alice Workman was an interesting hire for The Oz.

    She has since become a sort of gossip columnist for them.

  14. dover_beach

    The essential element of religious freedom in an individually autonomous society such as ours is Person A does not get to decide the religious rules which Person B must adhere to.

    So if Person B is making a claim in respect of a Religion M that has no basis in Religion M and this impacts Person A, the courts have no power to point this out and deny Person B’s claim re religious freedom?

  15. Porter

    Video posted by Zippy. What was the Chinese ambassador shoving in his back pocket when he got up?

  16. Leigh Lowe

    Family Court judges and lawyers litigation invokes provoke more emotion than any other court process, hence the Court itself ends up looking like a fortress.

  17. johanna

    37C and sunny in Queanbeyan. Typical for this time of the year.

    Luckily, the winds are westerlies, so the bushfire smoke is blowing away for once.

    I see that a nasty little firelet has started in Tianjara, which is in a national park (of course) west of Jervis Bay. At this rate, the Great Dividing Range in NSW will be a pile of ashes by March.

  18. stackja

    Elderly couple with Christmas ham rejected from Uber driver due to religious beliefs

    A retired couple was thrilled to have won a Christmas ham in a Seaford RSL raffle. But getting their festive bounty home proved to be an enraging experience after a Moolem Uber driver refused to let them into the car — then charged them $10.
    Brittany Goldsmith, Mordialloc Chelsea Leader
    Subscriber only

    December 19, 2019 10:50am

    Ms Archibald said she was still charged the full fare, with her complaint to retrieve the money left unanswered.

    The couple confirmed they will pick another rideshare app in the future.

  19. Knuckle Dragger

    And I didn’t bring the subject up, Mr None.

    I made a passing comment about the training and commitment required to engage in fisticuffs away from a front bar or car park. You brought the matter of my family up, old son, so stop your jazz hands when I point out the inaccuracies in your uninformed commentary.

    My point stands that if you can’t stand the sight of someone with another person’s claret on them then just look the other way, and see if you can see clouds shaped like puppies or something.

    Now put your cardy back on and get back to the telly. Bold and the Beautiful will be on soon, that’ll calm you down.

  20. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #3266677, posted on December 19, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    Murphy’s Law.

  21. Porter

    The essential element of religious freedom in an individually autonomous society such as ours is Person A does not get to decide the religious rules which Person B must adhere to.

    Etc. So you agree that the law in Victoria does not reflect that of an individually autonomous society then given it has legislated how Catholics should conduct confession. But your protest about that was exactly? Zero. Trolls were much more original and entertaining him the past.

  22. Cardimona

    Winston at 2.35 pm

    I’ve mentioned my stalker informally to a local copper I know, but because old mate stopped after I scared him off I let it drop.
    If he gets back into it I’ll harvest some CCTV and take it in.
    I have his name; my beautiful bride recognised him as the former husband of a woman she used to be friendly with.
    It’s hard to be anonymous in rural areas.

  23. Mother Lode

    Noongar people will jointly run the state’s national parks.

    Somehow I don’t think they intend to make sure the walking tracks are clearly marked and the toilets kept clean.

    More issuing bans on activities, cordoning off more and more areas, and hoovering taxes. There will be a 30 foot yacht for touring waterways, rules preventing fire fighters from fight fires as efficiently as possible (No trucks there, you have to protect that sacred site etc), and there should be trips to the US and Europe to see how they manage parks.

    Somehow they should be able to make a trip

  24. Porter

    Infidel Tiger. I remember a None who would incessantly wind you up about eating your own scabs. I thought she was a sheila.

  25. Infidel Tiger

    Infidel Tiger. I remember a None who would incessantly wind you up about eating your own scabs. I thought she was a sheila.

    On the internet, everyone is an obese tranny until proven otherwise.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    Simon manfully carrying the can.
    It is a heavy can.
    The shit is slopping out onto his shoes.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Somehow I don’t think they intend to make sure the walking tracks are clearly marked and the toilets kept clean.

    The infighting and the nepotism will take precedence.

  28. areff

    For those who have read only the media snatches and summaries of Sir Peter’s submission to the Gobbo RC, here’s a link to the full document.

    https://www.rcmpi.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-12/Exhibit%20RC0903b%20Statement%20of%20Sir%20Ken%20Jones%2C%207%20December%202019%2C%20tendered%2013%20December%202019.pdf

    How was VicPol allowed to be so bent for so long?

    As a chronicle of the cancers that ate out the integrity and competence of VicPol, it’s eye-popping.

    Long-ish read but almost every paragraph brings another OMFG moment

  29. DavidH

    Arky earlier said, in relation to hybrid vehicles

    whatever is doing the “constant engaging”- disengaging is wearing out a little every time it switches

    I understand that, at least for Toyota, the IC and electric engines supply power (torque) via an electronically controlled differential. So there’s no engaging/disengaging going on and not necessarily any additional wear overhead.

  30. Porter

    Cardimona,
    I thonk it is worth making a formal statement now while details are fresh in your mind. Give them a copy of the tape but keep the original yourself. He may never come back to your place again, as you say, but his behaviour is weird and there’s nothing to say he won’t stalk someone else in future.

  31. Caveman

    you aussie need kowtow now!

    That’s why I’m learning orangarind.

    “I don’t blame China, I blame the incompetence of past admins for allowing China to take advantage of the US on trade leading up to a point where the US is losing $100’s of billions. How can you blame China for taking advantage of people that had no clue? I would’ve done same!” from Orange man bad

  32. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Latest Weather Observations for Sydney Airport
    IDN60801
    Issued at 3:12 pm EDT Thursday 19 December 2019 (issued every 10 minutes, with the page automatically refreshed every 10 minutes)

    About weather observations | Map of weather stations | Latest weather observations for NSW | Other Formats
    Station Details ID: 066037 Name: SYDNEY AIRPORT AMO Lat: -33.95 Lon: 151.17 Height: 6.0 m
    Data from the previous 72 hours. | See also: Recent months at Sydney Airport
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    19/03:00pm 39.2 37.1 11.3 19 16.7 E 13 15 7 8 1010.0 1010.0 0.0
    19/02:30pm 38.9 37.7 6.6 14 18.1 S 2 11 1 6 1010.0 1010.0 0.0
    19/02:00pm 41.5 37.7 3.7 10 20.5 NW 13 17 7 9 1010.0 1010.0 0.0
    19/01:30pm 39.3 38.6 6.9 14 18.2 CALM 0 0 0 0 1010.2 1010.2 0.0
    19/01:00pm 40.2 39.0 6.5 13 18.9 N 2 11 1 6 1010.6 1010.6 0.0
    19/12:30pm 39.1 36.7 8.7 16 17.5 NW 11 17 6 9 1010.7 1010.7 0.0
    19/12:00pm 36.9 34.9

  33. Porter

    And neither did I Kuckle Dragger. I made a comment about a comment/photo someone posted. It is called conversation.

  34. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Latest Weather Observations for Sydney – Observatory Hill
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    Issued at 3:12 pm EDT Thursday 19 December 2019 (issued every 10 minutes, with the page automatically refreshed every 10 minutes)

    About weather observations | Map of weather stations | Latest weather observations for NSW | Other Formats
    Station Details ID: 066062 Name: SYDNEY (OBSERVATORY HILL) Lat: -33.86 Lon: 151.21 Height: 39.0 m
    Data from the previous 72 hours. | See also: Recent months at Sydney – Observatory Hill
    * Apparent temperature (App Temp) for Sydney – Observatory Hill is calculated using temperature observations collected at Sydney – Observatory Hill and wind observations collected at Fort Denison, as wind observations are not currently provided for Sydney – Observatory Hill.

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    19/03:00pm 32.6 32.5 13.8 32 11.4 ESE 7 – 4 – 1010.5 1010.4 0.0
    19/02:30pm 34.8 34.0 14.1 28 12.7 SE 11 – 6 – 1010.5 1010.4 0.0
    19/02:00pm 36.0 35.7 11.6 23 14.5 SSE 4 – 2 – 1010.6 1010.5 0.0
    19/01:30pm 36.2 36.0 13.0 24 14.1 E 6 – 3 – 1010.8 1010.7 0.0
    19/01:00pm 37.6 34.9 12.9 23 15.1 E 19 – 10 – 1011.0 1010.9 0.0
    19/12:30pm 37.6

  35. Mother Lode

    Ms Archibald said she was still charged the full fare, with her complaint to retrieve the money left unanswered.

    The couple confirmed they will pick another rideshare app in the future.

    As Churchill said of Mohammedanism:

    The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits…

    To get $10 he has tarnished the UBER’s and his own reputation – at a cost of more than $10 I should think.

  36. Leigh Lowe

    Cardimona
    #3266687, posted on December 19, 2019 at 3:04 pm
    Winston at 2.35 pm
    I’ve mentioned my stalker informally to a local copper I know, but because old mate stopped after I scared him off I let it drop.
    If he gets back into it I’ll harvest some CCTV and take it in.
    I have his name; my beautiful bride recognised him as the former husband of a woman she used to be friendly with.
    It’s hard to be anonymous in rural areas.

    If this prick has done anything remotely criminal, I would suggest lodging a formal complaint.
    The next wave of fanatics might be less prudent in resorting to violence against an evil denier, particularly if they outnumber you 3 or 4 to one.
    A timely handbrake might be handy.

  37. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Just comparing the BOM temperature observations at Sydney Airport and at Obsevatory Hill, at the same times, eg 2.00pm, 2.30pm, and 3.00pm.

    Same City, same time, just a few kilometres apart, and up to 5.0 degrees variation.

    So much for measuring”The Increasing Temperature Of The World.”

  38. Arky

    DavidH
    #3266701, posted on December 19, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    ..
    Knock yourself out.
    I personally would not be buying a second hand one though.

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Violence rocks Melbourne’s south: Dozens of teenage thugs are pepper-sprayed by cops after brawling on a BUS following a rampage that turned beachside Chelsea into a war zone

    the official term is a chimpout

  40. cohenite

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3266633, posted on December 19, 2019 at 2:20 pm
    $1.3bn land rights deal with Noongar people to proceed
    Exclusive
    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent
    @paigeataylor
    An hour ago December 19, 2019
    No Comments

    I wonder why not. Do politicians really think at all about this shit.

    As to whether the HC is full of fuckwits, as struth noted: mabo.

  41. stackja

    areff
    #3266700, posted on December 19, 2019 at 3:11 pm

    Since Henry Bolte, maybe only Jeff Kennett, now Daniel Andrews. Who was watching Victoria Police?

  42. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The House approved one article, for abuse of power, in a vote of 230-197, with one Democrat, presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, voting “present.” The House also approved a second article of impeachment, for obstruction of Congress, in a vote of 229-198, with Gabbard also voting present.
    Only two other presidents have been impeached in U.S. history: Andrew Johnson in 1868, and Bill Clinton in 1998. Richard Nixon resigned in 1974 before the full House could vote on articles of impeachment.
    At a campaign rally in Battle Creek, MI, Trump reacted to his impeachment. “Every single Republican voted for us,” Trump told the crowd. “So we had 198, 229, 198. We didn’t lose one Republican vote.” He then attacked a litany of Democrats.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    The House approved one article, for abuse of power, in a vote of 230-197, with one Democrat, presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, voting “present.”

    The 30-odd red state Dem reps are obviously more scared of the Left than they are of the voters.
    Arkancide is a thing.

  44. OldOzzie

    Hubris – Nancy Pelosi Declares: “the senate rules are unfair” – “when rules become fair we will send articles”…

    Posted on December 18, 2019 by sundance

    The entire House effort to impeach President Donald Trump has been a one-sided partisan effort; built upon a foundation of manipulation of process and dismissal of the minority rights throughout.

    After the House voted along party lines, and in an act of stunning hubris, Speaker Pelosi now declares she will withhold the articles of impeachment until the Senate makes rules that she determines will be “fair” to the prosecution

    Cunning Lawfare Maneuver – House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate…

    Seemingly overlooked by most, when the House voted on the ‘rules of impeachment’ they removed the traditional appointment of House Managers to a later date.

    Normally the House Managers would be appointed at the same time as the impeachment vote; however, by withholding the appointment House Democrats are indicating they will not immediately send articles of impeachment to the senate but will rather hold the articles as support for pending court cases toward their judicial authority.

    A cunning Lawfare ploy.

    As interested observers will note the House never voted to authorize the full judicial impeachment process; instead they voted to approve an inquiry into whether an impeachment should take place. By not voting to authorize articles of impeachment the House never gained ‘judicial enforcement authority‘. The absence of judicial authority is now working its way through the courts in various cases.

    It appears the absence of appointing House impeachment managers; and the decision to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate; is now a specific design.

    As the process appears to be unfolding, the Lawfare contracted lawyers representing the House: chief legal counsel Douglas Letter, Barry Berke, Norm Eisen and Daniel Goldman will now argue before the courts that all of the constitutionally contended material is required as evidence for a pending judicial proceeding, a trial in the Senate.

    What the house crew have assembled is an interesting back-door attempt to position a valid claim for evidence against the accused without having first gained judicial authority for it. The Lawfare crew will argue to the lower courts, and to SCOTUS, the blocked evidentiary material is critical evidence in a soon-to-be-held Senate trial.

    The material they have been seeking is: (1) Mueller grand jury material; (2) a deposition by former White House counsel Don McGahn; and less importantly (3) Trump financial and tax records. Each of these issues is currently being argued in appellate courts (6e and McGahn) and the supreme court (financials/taxes).

    The House impeachment of President Trump succeeds in applying the label “impeached president” that was their primary political purpose. President Trump is marred with the label of an ‘impeached president’.

    Now the delay in sending the articles of impeachment allows the House lawyers to gather additional evidence while the impeachment case sits in limbo.

    The House essentially blocks any/all impeachment activity in the Senate by denying the transfer of the articles from the House to the Senate. Additionally, the House will now impede any other Senate legislative action because the House will hold the Senate captive. Meanwhile the Democrat presidential candidates can run against an impeached President.

    Lawfare’s legal svengali Lawrence Tribe recently penned an op-ed with this type of recommendation; and it appears the community that worships Tribe, including the House lawyers writ large, are following his advice.

    While Politico outlines the plan from a position if the scheme as a new idea, the fact the House impeachment rules were changed to drop the appointment of the managers speaks to considerable forethought on this type of plan.

    It does not appear this is a new idea; rather it looks like this is a pre-planned procedural process by design:

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘And neither did I Kuckle Dragger.’

    And yet, at 1.32;

    ‘From what I have learned from your posts here this past year or so you didn’t fight very hard for the mother of your son’ etc etc.

    Apparently, Mr None, yes you did. Don’t back away now.

    ‘It is called conversation.’

    Really not sure what made you bring the subject up. Maybe you’ve just been bored enough to just bring it up out of the blue today. Maybe it was the word ‘fight’ that triggered you. Maybe it was just a desire to be well above all that gooey stuff when someone mentioned blood. Dunno, but it’s all good.

    ‘Not all of us’ was another line of yours. Who is ‘us’? Who are you speaking on behalf of?

    Where have I heard that before?

  46. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Chimpout’

    Snicker.

  47. OldOzzie

    Change has passed through Albion Park – drop 43.3C to 28.8 SSE wimd

    Latest Weather Observations for Albion Park

  48. Boambee John

    johanna

    I see that a nasty little firelet has started in Tianjara, which is in a national park (of course) west of Jervis Bay.

    A former military training area and firing range.

    There might be some unexpected explosions as the fire spreads.

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    About to walk the dogs with my excellent nieces. Burmese (?) mountain dogs x 2.

    60kg fluffy superballs. Should be good.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    areff
    #3266700, posted on December 19, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    For those who have read only the media snatches and summaries of Sir Peter’s submission to the Gobbo RC, here’s a link to the full document.
    https://www.rcmpi.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-12/Exhibit%20RC0903b%20Statement%20of%20Sir%20Ken%20Jones%2C%207%20December%202019%2C%20tendered%2013%20December%202019.pdf
    How was VicPol allowed to be so bent for so long?
    As a chronicle of the cancers that ate out the integrity and competence of VicPol, it’s eye-popping.
    Long-ish read but almost every paragraph brings another OMFG moment

    Although it doesn’t directly relate to corruption per se, I was struck by this:-

    14. I formed the view very soon that much of the HQ bureaucratic activity was very costly, inefficient and ineffective. An alternative way was for senior people to be given much more decision making authority and then to be held accountable for the exercise of that authority in a transparent way. Some support departments, and some operational commands, were run by committee where the chair was regularly rotated. so the actual Director or Assistant Commissioner nominally in charge, and accountable, would be subordinate in such meetings to whoever was in the chair that day. I thought this practice was wrong in that it was difficult to see who was accountable when things went well or otherwise.

    This is classic 1990’s management-speak bullshit.
    “Self managing teams” which have “high levels of engagement and collaboration” and magically morph into “high performing teams”.
    In practice they become a total clusterfuck and, if the nominal head of that group falls from favour, he/she wears the fallout of any cocked-up “collaborative decisions”, but with no ability to countermand group decisions.
    Following on from that, yesterday Christine “Make Mine a Large, Please” Nixon, recounted how she had restructured the force (sorry, service) to “flatten the structure” (another ’90’s obsession), such that her direct reports increased from three to some twenty four. Of course, she would have been sucked in by KPMG, McKinsey or whoever to “modernise”. Easy money. Simply describe the current structure as a “rigid, inflexible, military style archaic structure” and Christine will cut the cheque for the consultancy before close of business.
    Incidentally, Christine increased the direct reports to 24 to “have more visibility into the organisation”.
    At least 6 of those 24 knew about Gobbo (probably more like 10 or 12) but none of them knocked on her door and said “Ma’am, we appear to have an Olympic standard fuck-up on our hands”>

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Toyota Crown good enuff for the Phantom Agents. And they could jump backwards up into trees. That’s talent.

    Photo. Yes it’s true they wear black silk outfits and can jump backwards into trees.

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    About to walk the dogs with my excellent nieces. Burmese (?) mountain dogs x 2.

    60kg fluffy superb#lls. Should be interesting.

  53. OldOzzie

    at 3.40pm Sydney Airport 26.1C Sydney Observatory 32.9C

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Things are looking more promising.
    Simple Simon’s has had a memory upgrade from “Blank” to “Hazy”.
    Oops.
    Three “this section of the hearing has been redacted” drop-outs in half and hour.
    Looks like Simon’s brief can see the hole in the side of SS Simon and is on her hind legs and bailing hard.

  55. dover_beach

    Re Zippy’s clip above re changes to Dutch alimony, the author states that the sudden rise in applications for divorce before the law reduces the length of alimony payments from 12 to 5 years proves that marriage is primarily not about feelings, but largely a business contract, and that it further undermines the foundational importance of marriage to a civilization, over-eggs the pudding. No civilization imagined that marriage was merely about ‘feelings’ for the obvious reason that feelings fluctuate far too much to give any longevity to a relationship of this sort. The fact that a common feature of marriage has always involved public or witnessed declarations of the union of the spouses acknowledges this fact. Further, the fact that another common feature is that any such union has always bought together two households is further evidence that this has always been more than a ‘business’ contract. I would agree though that the rise in applications indicates a problem with many contemporary marriages and the spouses therein.

  56. OldOzzie

    Think Trump’s Border Policy’s Beyond the Pale? You’ll be Shocked by Another Country’s Message to Migrants and Asylum Seekers

    How does a nation prevent migrants and asylum seekers? The Australian government apparently asked itself that question about Sri Lankans and came up with a novel plan.

    As it turns out, the South Asian island country has a keen interest in the signs of the Zodiak. Therefore, as reported by The Washington Post and first shared by BuzzFeed News, Aussie officials printed posters with phony horoscopes predicting doom and gloom for anyone trying to travel to the country

    Here they are, from BFN:

    ARIES: Criminals will rip you off
    If you attempt to illegally travel to Australia by boat, expect people smugglers to take advantage of you. These criminals will take your money and you will be returned to Sri Lanka with nothing.

    AQUARIUS: You and your family will lose everything
    If you risk everything you and your family have built together to pay for an illegal boat voyage to Australia, you will be stopped and returned to Sri Lanka. You will suffer hardship and have nothing but bad luck.

    SAGITTARIUS: You will be in debt forever
    If you illegally travel to Australia by boat you will be returned. Everything you risked to get there will be in vain and you will end up owing everyone.

    TAURUS: You will be ashamed of your actions
    If you illegally travel to Australia by boat, expect to be returned home where you will face the humiliation of failure in your community. Bad luck will strike you if you try to perform this illegal deed.

    VIRGO: You will have legal problems
    If you illegally travel to Australia by boat you will be stopped and returned to face the legal consequences. Going through with this illegal act will bring you nothing but bad luck and regret for your actions.

    Are you deterred yet? So far, you’ve been robbed, deported, and plunged into debt. And not only that, but you’re ashamed of yourself.

    Prepare for more, you unlucky immigrant:

    CAPRICORN: You will put your life at risk
    Deciding to risk your life on dangerous seas and unpredictable weather will be in vain. If you travel illegally to Australia, you will be returned to Sri Lanka and encounter a storm of bad luck.

    GEMINI: You will lose your wife’s jewellery
    Bad luck will come your way if you travel illegally to Australia by boat. Expect to lose everything you’ve pawned to pay for this pointless enterprise.

    LIBRA: You will flush your money down the drain
    Your luck is bad. You cannot illegally travel to Australia by boat as you will be stopped and returned, and all the money you spent getting there will be wasted.

    CANCER: Family problems will occur
    Luck is not in the cards for you. Do not try to travel illegally to Australia by boat, as you will be stopped and returned. You will lose everything your family owes to debt, and face family problems.

    SCORPIO: You will waste your money
    If you naively trust people smugglers’ lies and attempt illegal travel to Australia by boat, you will be returned to Sri Lanka and lose everything you put on the line to get there.

    LEO: You will be filled with regret
    If you attempt illegal travel to Australia by boat, you will be returned to face legal consequences for your illegal travel. Commit such a crime and expect nothing but bad luck.

    PISCES: You will lose your family’s land
    If you travel illegally to Australia by boat you will be returned. The money you got from mortgaging your family’s land will be wasted right before your eyes.

    The government-branded ads were created for distribution across Sri Lanka, warning at the bottom, “YOU WILL BE TURNED BACK.”

  57. dover_beach

    Bernese, KD, from the Swiss canton, Bern.

  58. Knuckle Dragger

    I know people have been banging on here, particularly about US politics and saying various punters should be going to jail, but Overland just can’t dodge perverting the course of justice. In my humble, potentially uninformed view.

    He just can’t. Big Kev and Cornelius maybe, but Ashton and Overland by any proper analysis have committed criminal offences, serious ones at that, and are – or should be – gooorrrrrn.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah. Bernese.

    Ta, db.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dreadful heat has afflicted Cafe Bruce. A terrifying 40 C. Almost to be mistaken for summer, even.

    The birdies are hot. I went out with camera to try for a photo of the koel pair, who were wings out and panting in the camellia along with a couple of rainbow lorikeets, but one look at the camera was enough for the female koel. She doesn’t like paparazzi.

  61. johanna

    I just read that submission, areff, Thanks for linking it.

    What a nest of vipers VicPol was, and probably still is. Reading between the lines, a lot of coppers were getting unrecorded bonuses to look the other way, as were prison officers.

    The way that the heirarchy treated people who didn’t toe the line is appalling – where was the union? Were they bought off, too?

    I can see why our former correspondent Brian of Moorabbin was glad to retire. I wish he’d come back.

    Despite the protestations to the contrary we are hearing at the RC, it’s clear that quite a lot of people knew about what Gobbo was doing. Why anyone with an IQ greater than that of a whelk thought that this was OK and would not end badly is a mystery.

    Senior VicPol of the time resemble the Mafia, especially when it comes to Omerta.

  62. Porter

    Leigh, I suspect that you’ve had some direct experience of all that management bullshit. I noticed that the fat lady blamed her unmemory on Simon not saying. While I will be happy to see Overland go down, few things make my blood boil more than the possibility Nixon won’t go down with him.

  63. OldOzzie

    Think Trump’s Border Policy’s Beyond the Pale? You’ll be Shocked by Another Country’s Message to Migrants and Asylum Seekers

    How does a nation prevent migrants and asylum seekers? The Australian government apparently asked itself that question about Sri Lankans and came up with a novel plan.

    As it turns out, the South Asian island country has a keen interest in the signs of the Zodiak. Therefore, as reported by The Washington Post and first shared by BuzzFeed News, Aussie officials printed posters with phony horoscopes predicting doom and gloom for anyone trying to travel to the country.

    Here they are, from BFN:

  64. Porter

    People should remember that Gobbo was not the only lawyer on the books as a schnitz. There are about a dozen others.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    I thought I had heard all management speak possible but a new one popped up during the Gobbo RC.
    That is “a sterile corridor“.
    This clearly means artificial divisions and barriers in an organisation to prevent inappropriate disclosure of information across the organisation.
    Presumably a consultant has warned them of the racist connotations of the term “Chinese walls.

  66. 8th Dan

    After the House voted along party lines, and in an act of stunning hubris, Speaker Pelosi now declares she will withhold the articles of impeachment until the Senate makes rules that she determines will be “fair” to the prosecution

    Eminently sensible, Madam Speaker. Specially since McConnell says no testimony will be allowed to be heard in the Senate, and Lindsey Graham is giving public interviews saying his man has already been acquitted.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3266633, posted on December 19, 2019 at 2:20 pm
    $1.3bn land rights deal with Noongar people to proceed
    Exclusive
    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous Affairs Correspondent
    @paigeataylor
    An hour ago December 19, 2019
    No Comments

    I wonder why not. Do politicians really think at all about this shit.

    They are allowing comments on the article. Should be interesting.

  68. johanna

    Following on from that, yesterday Christine “Make Mine a Large, Please” Nixon, recounted how she had restructured the force (sorry, service) to “flatten the structure” (another ’90’s obsession), such that her direct reports increased from three to some twenty four. Of course, she would have been sucked in by KPMG, McKinsey or whoever to “modernise”.

    What a fustercluck. Anyone who has managed anything knows that you can’t have 24 direct reports. I wonder how much they charged for that nonsense?

    More importantly, what a dill she was to have accepted it, instead of looking the senior partner in the eye and saying – ”you’re havin’ a larf, right? How many direct reports do you have?” while consigning the bill to the circular filing cabinet.

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I would agree though that the rise in applications indicates a problem with many contemporary marriages and the spouses therein.

    hypergamy unleashed

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Porter
    #3266752, posted on December 19, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    Leigh, I suspect that you’ve had some direct experience of all that management bullshit.

    A bit.
    Look, I think a level of team autonomy is fine if you are making widgets or selling hamburgers, as long as the nominal boss has the final call, and also carries the can if his/her decision turns to shit.
    But it has no place in a police force.

    I noticed that the fat lady blamed her unmemory on Simon not saying. While I will be happy to see Overland go down, few things make my blood boil more than the possibility Nixon won’t go down with him.

    Christine “I Had to Eat” Nixon is not taking the fall.
    She has been canonized as a saint in the Church of Fat Feminism, and is too sacred an icon to be smashed.

  71. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    $1.3bn land rights deal with Noongar people to proceed

    I know if I were dragged kicking and screaming out of my neolithic utopia I would demand big compo

  72. 8th Dan

    From what I have learned from your posts here this past year or so you didn’t fight very hard for the mother of your son’ etc etc.

    And didn’t fight at all for your country, did you, Frostbite? Engineered a medical discharge instead.

  73. OldOzzie

    Swamp Mistress Pelosi dresses in Black for Historuc Vote

    It’s Your Funeral

    It is said there are two things you should never watch being made: sausage and government budgets.

    Now we can add impeachment to the list of stomach-turning sights to avoid.

    The arcane rules, phony cordiality and debates over the second sentence in paragraph G of Point Six were bad enough, but the nausea meter hit the roof when Nancy Pelosi took the microphone. Wearing a funereal black dress, she stood next to a cardboard American flag and recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

    I would have counted her more honest if she had pledged her allegiance to a Democratic donkey.

    As the leader of a party that has marinated its mind in unadulterated hatred of President Trump, Pelosi bears unique responsibility for this calamity. She could have stopped it.

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Following on from that, yesterday Christine “Make Mine a Large, Please” Nixon, recounted how she had restructured the force (sorry, service) to “flatten the structure” (another ’90’s obsession), such that her direct reports increased from three to some twenty four. Of course, she would have been sucked in by KPMG, McKinsey or whoever to “modernise”.

    There was an incident in Perth a few years ago, where two police officers – on the beat – were beaten up by the bouncers of a certain Perth nightclub, and the then Commissioner was supposed to have led the raid that closed the place down. I can’t see Nixon taking such a step…

  75. Old Lefty

    Leaving aside the dishonesty, incompetence and treachery the RC has revealed in spades at all levels, Nixon’s restructure was bizarre. I have it from a sensible management consultant ( yes, there is such a thing) that no manger can expect to cope effectively with more than seven direct reports. For the commissioner, even a capable one, to try to work with 24 is recipe for failure.

    Pell, of course, should never have been charged, let alone convicted. But if the High Court fails to overturn his ridiculous conviction, one can at least entertain the hope that Fatty Ashton will become his neighbour in the next cell. Unlikely, though; the Victorian system, not just the police, is now so compromised politically that he will never be charged and will be covered by the OPP’s get out of jail free racket run on behalf of the ALP. Said racket is now so entrenched that Andrews can now afford to move Mr Cain to the County Court as chief coroner. Are they planning on having a politically sensitive corpse any time soon?

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And didn’t fight at all for your country, did you, Frostbite? Engineered a medical discharge instead.

    Just remind me, Grogs. What unit were you, again?

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s a simple canon, repeated through the years by punters with vested interests in it and rejected just as many times by ladder-climbers with business degrees.

    You cannot run a police force like a business.

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    The little girl pops up again. The fake cancer sufferer.

    Tell us again, 8th Belle Gibson, how Mr Batterham the new millionaire was supposed to be convicted of murder?

    Butthurt all day, every day.

  79. Porter

    Leigh, autonomy is a different thing from accountability and authority. I fear that Nixon is being protected as well.

  80. OldOzzie

    Pollak: Senate Can Acquit Even If House Withholds Articles of Impeachment

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) appears to be considering an idea Democrats have floated for several days of holding back the articles of impeachment to exercise leverage over the Senate and the president.

    She declined formally to transmit the articles to the Senate on Wednesday evening after the House voted to impeach President Donald Trump.

    Unfortunately for them, the Senate can act, regardless — and would vote to acquit.

    That’s because the Constitution is absolutely clear about the Senate’s authority. Article I, Section 3 says: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

    That is all.

    The Chief Justice presides over a trial involving the president, but the Senate makes the rules. And the Senate is controlled by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who regards what the House has done with contempt.

    You’re in Cocaine Mitch’s court, now.

    Politico outlined Democrats’ new idea, citing constitutional lawyer Laurence Tribe (but, interestingly, not the Constitution itself). Pelosi hopes to pressure McConnell into holding a “fair trial” — this, after she and her party broke every relevant House rule and precedent, and several Amendments in the Bill of Rights, all in the name of their “sole Power of Impeachment.”

    They forget that a “fair trial” applies to the accused, not the accuser, and has since 1215.

    Set aside, for the moment, that holding onto the articles of impeachment would contradict everything Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and the Democrats have said for weeks about the “urgency” of impeachment. They needed to stop him before he could “cheat in the next election,” we were told — that’s why the House could not wait for the courts to rule on the White House’s resistance to stop congressional subpoenas.

    All of that would be exposed as a lie.

    If Pelosi refuses to submit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, McConnell can convene the Senate anyway, summon the Chief Justice, and swear in the Senators as jurors. Democrats can boycott, but they can’t stop the trial.

    McConnell can then propose to dismiss the charges or even hold a vote to acquit the president.

    Pelosi can hide the articles of impeachment in Adam Schiff’s basement forever, and it won’t make a bit of difference.

    Case closed.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    It’s a simple canon, repeated through the years by punters with vested interests in it and rejected just as many times by ladder-climbers with business degrees.
    You cannot run a police force like a business.

    Exactly.
    One of these fuckwits the other day talking about a new process for controlling and checking the management of informants.
    They said that the group who developed the policy had to “market it to the rest of the organisation“.
    FMD!
    Market it?
    How about the Commish issues it under the heading “New Rules Governing the Management of Informants With Immediate Effect”.
    Anyone who uses that weasly management speak objection of “I have concerns. Can we delay” is told to come back with objections in writing asap, but to comply with the new rules unless and until they are changed.

  82. OldOzzie

    Victoria’s new tenant laws make life harder for Melbourne property investors

    Robert Gottliebsen

    Australia will take into 2020 incredible built up home buying pressure which set to be boosted by the Reserve Bank’s plan to further reduce already low interest rates.

    But some fascinating differences are emerging between our two main markets, Melbourne and Sydney.

    Sydney cottages, particularly those near the city have jumped about $300,000 in price. A $1.2m dwelling as risen to $1.5m. Demand for apartments has also jumped although prices are still below 2016 levels.

    The Sydney trend has been basically duplicated in Melbourne but with less panic among the buyers. Melbourne apartments also did not fall as far as Sydney in the slump.

    But strip away those basic trends and you find stark differences. In both cities financiers no longer have an appetite to fund large developments but, in Sydney, Harry Triguboff’s Meriton dominates the market. And because his balance sheet is strong, he can get finance. Sydney can therefore still build towers.

    Frustrated by the Sydney approval process Triguboff is now building a serviced apparent tower in Melbourne. Once the current crop of Melbourne apartment towers is completed, Meriton’s development may be the only Melbourne CBD apartment tower being built, although a multitude of smaller developments are under way around the city.

    In contrast, in Sydney the state government, councils and assorted approval bodies are determined to restrict the supply and so boost prices. The Sydney approval process is an unpredictable nightmare and the government, councils and related bodies add about $250,000 to the cost of an apartment.

    But there are clear approval rules in Melbourne and the process is predictable. One city restricts supply and other encourages it so over time the price difference will increase, although, not surprisingly, Melbourne’s growth and population is now increasing at a much faster rate than Sydney.

    But Victoria has emerged as the first Australian state government to actively seek to increase the supply of houses for ownership as it moves to switch the balance of power from landlords to tenants. On the surface the Victorian government is helping tenants, but it will force investors out if the housing investor game and lift longer term rents. The new Victoria legislation comes into operation next July and has a vast variety of tenant “protections”.

    One stipulates that a tenant must owe at least 14 days rent before a landlord can give the tenant a notice to vacate. But the eviction date must be not less than 14 days after the notice is given. If the tenant pays the unpaid rent before the termination date then the notice has no effect. And this process can take place four times during a year.

    Accordingly, on four occasions your tenant can virtually get 28 days credit to pay the rent. And with agent delays in sending out notices, that can explode into 36 or 42 days.

    Remember that it is not until the tenant has not paid on time (as defined) on four occasions that the owner can step in and enforce eviction. That means up to one third of the rental income in any one year that can be disrupted.

    If the owner has large debt commitments including negative gearing, this means that back-up income is required, because there is no reliability in the tenant income. Bank rules on loan payments do not have the same generous provisions. Tenants that can prove reliability will be able to gain much lower rents. During 2021 renters will be upset when they find the legislation has lifted the market rents for unreliable tenants.

    Another scary Victorian provision for people highly borrowed in investment properties is the classification a cooling appliance breakdown as belonging to the “urgent repair” category. That means that at midnight the tenant can order an electrician to come and the owner must pay the emergency charges. While there is a cap, it’s clearly a dangerous situation for investors seeking a return.

    And it comes when during 2019 banks switched many residential property investors from interest-only loans to repayments of interest and principal. That will gather pace in 2020, so the Victorian legislation could not have come at a worse time for cash flow-pressed investors.

    This legislation’s potential impact is not widely appreciated, and tenants are demanding, via the media, even more blows to investors. I know a number of highly leveraged residential property investors who plan to take advantage of the high Melbourne dwelling prices in the New Year and sell their investment properties.

  83. johanna

    Old Lefty
    #3266770, posted on December 19, 2019 at 4:19 pm

    Leaving aside the dishonesty, incompetence and treachery the RC has revealed in spades at all levels, Nixon’s restructure was bizarre. I have it from a sensible management consultant ( yes, there is such a thing) that no manger can expect to cope effectively with more than seven direct reports. For the commissioner, even a capable one, to try to work with 24 is recipe for failure.

    Having also studied management theory, and done it in practice, I’d say that seven is on the high side. Three or four, tops. That doesn’t mean that there is no input from others, indeed there should be, but if a manager is spending most of his/her time managing subordinates, it just becomes an exercise in paper shuffling and getting involved in internecine disputes.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    Obama is looking less and less consequential. Almost like he isn’t the one who wears the pants in his household.

    Court finds Obamacare mandate unconstitutional, sends case back to lower court

    Wasn’t Obamacare Obama’s signature achievement? Oops.

  85. Dave in Marybrook

    Righto Cats, I need a bit of can-do advice-
    I’m trying to bust open the arts gravy train- how can I uncover the arts council funding that goes to an individual work, or artist- both federal and state, is there a single register or multiple?
    Guest column in the weekend Oz and all the glory awaits me. I’ve been harassing the subject for a while, and I’m getting closer to a sympathetic hearing.
    Areff, you’re all over this stuff- point me in the right direction please?

  86. areff

    Leigh Lowe: What about this: I don’t know, and Sir Peter doesn’t say, if this was another of the seagulls’ management reforms adopted by BigKev: doing away with the Criminal Intelligence Unit. It sounds so stupid it fits her to a T.

    39.| learned as much as I could about the so called gang wars and murders which had plagued Melbourne. My area of responsibility embraced criminal intelligence and, once I had reviewed our intelligence capability, formed the view that the function was weak following a wholesale reform some years earlier. That said there were “islands” of intelligence which were effective; these tended to exist within some of the larger crime task forces such as Purana, Petra and Briars.

    And what about a (blacked-out name) official at Barwon who was a guest at the christening of Carl Williams’ daughter and had convictions of his own.

    Who bugged Williams’ cell unit in an amateur and illegal fashion? Presumably underworld figures anxious to know what he saying.

    Who put the targeting laser red spot on Sir Peter while he was strolling the tan track (that’s not a gay metaphor) with his wife, who also got targetted, and dog?

    Here’s the thing: any Opposition worth its salt would be raising merry hell about not just this but the entire sad state of policing in the Garden State.

    Yet those useless units sit there with their yaps shut.

    If there was anyone in the Vic Libs backroom who had 1% of, say, Lee Atwater’s instinct for getting foes by the throat, Despicable Dan’s human filth would be at CentreLink and perhaps in gaol.

  87. cohenite

    The demorats are going to sit on these shit impeachment articles so they can claim the GOP senate won’t treat them fairly, unlike the demorats treated the process fairly in the house.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3266774, posted on December 19, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    The little girl pops up again. The fake cancer sufferer.
    Tell us again, 8th Belle Gibson, how Mr Batterham the new millionaire was supposed to be convicted of murder?

    More experienced legal beagles might know, but I can’t recall many (if any) instances of costs being awarded in a criminal defence (as distinct from pre-agreed legal aid).
    It is certainly rare, and to have an award of $1 meg and to be delivered within a month of acquittal tells you all you need to know about how fucked up the decision to proceed to trial.
    For those with Nixon-Overland syndrome, here is a reminder of the judge’s view:-

    “He (Batterham) acted lawfully in first calling the police and then restraining Slater until officers arrived.
    “In my view, the decision to charge Mr Batterham would have been unreasonable even if the prosecution had been in possession of only the evidence that had emerged by the end of the committal [hearing].”
    The judge referred to a key report by toxicologist and pharmacologist Michael Kennedy, which was produced in March this year, about eight months before the trial.
    He noted Dr Kennedy’s report found Mr Slater’s cardiac arrest had, “resulted from causes independent of the alleged acts of the accused, namely from cardiomyopathy, methamphetamine in the deceased’s blood and maximal exertion on his part [during the struggle]”.

    For those without medical training, the last sentence means the deceased was a fat druggy who was well over the red-line on meth.

  89. Rockdoctor

    Zodiac eh? Obviously working to some degree so meh. As an ex army friend says about this sort of misinformation dissemination, nice Psyops campaign. Bit more sophisticated then throwing leaflets out of a bomber.

    Now. Why am I not surprised that this method of illegal-immigration wasn’t attracting the best & brightest.

  90. 8th Dan

    Butthurt all day, every day.

    Ah … sad for you. Maybe your GP could prescribe something. Have you heard anymore from the others in the Wanaka Six?

  91. JC

    Who cares what the D’rats say and do, Cronkite. Public opinion, at least public opinion, where it matters has turned against them – viciously so. Stop the drama queening.

  92. Leigh Lowe

    Simon:-
    “I very rarely read a statement. I just take verbal advice.”
    Mmmyes.
    [[[Don’t Tell the Chief]]]

  93. Geriatric Mayfly

    A major part of ‘Dinner Bell’ Nixon’s brief was to feminise the Police Force and all that is attendant
    on erasing toxic masculinity. Kirner after all, Warrior of Warriors, was on her selection panel. Can’t imagine much time was left for any other priority.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    EXTORTION: Pelosi Threatens To Withhold Impeachment Articles From Senate Republicans

    Double secret impeachment is now triple secret impeachment?

  95. JC

    Having also studied management theory, and done it in practice,

    Jez, how do you do management theory “in practice”?

    You see why I get annoyed with the bullshit you post. That’s exhibit A. She’s Max Weber now.
    Just go to bed.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    Here’s the thing: any Opposition worth its salt would be raising merry hell about not just this but the entire sad state of policing in the Garden State.
    Yet those useless units sit there with their yaps shut.

    Dirt files?
    All through this we have seen how tight VikPol has been with the Liars.
    But when one VikPol officer talked to a Lib pollie about the shit going on within VikPol (some of which we are seeing here) the Age and the ABC went ballistic about “separation of powers” and the Libs fell over.

  97. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3266797, posted on December 19, 2019 at 4:45 pm
    A major part of ‘Dinner Bell’ Nixon’s brief was to feminise the Police Force and all that is attendant
    on erasing toxic masculinity. Kirner after all, Warrior of Warriors, was on her selection panel. Can’t imagine much time was left for any other priority.

    Yes.
    Not even on the original short-list, but came down the outside with a withering run.
    Very similar to Kiwi in the 1983 Melbourne Cup. Except Chrissy still had the nosebag on – three and a half minutes without tucker is an eternity.

  98. While I will be happy to see Overland go down…+

    If Soyman goes down, can we offer him a reduced sentence if he dobs in Mr/Ms Big?

  99. Porter

    Areff, by Sir Peter do you mean Sir Ken Jones? Am I missing something obvious here?

  100. Arky

    One stipulates that a tenant must owe at least 14 days rent before a landlord can give the tenant a notice to vacate. But the eviction date must be not less than 14 days after the notice is given. If the tenant pays the unpaid rent before the termination date then the notice has no effect. And this process can take place four times during a year.

    Accordingly, on four occasions your tenant can virtually get 28 days credit to pay the rent. And with agent delays in sending out notices, that can explode into 36 or 42 days.

    ..
    Boo Hoo.
    You know, what kind of payment periods many tradesman are stuck with dealing with big businesses?
    If your “investment” is causing you financial hardship after a month or so of waiting for payment, you were in no bloody position to make such an “investment’.
    In other words, don’t buy a bloody investment property if you are borrowing 80% of the value.
    Idiots.

  101. Mother Lode

    Barack Obama Is “Absolutely Confident” That Women Make Better Leaders

    I will assume he was, as usual, focussing on himself.

    And he was a pretty wretched leader. Just a follower posing as a leader. He never lost his juvenile spitefulness.

  102. cohenite

    More experienced legal beagles might know, but I can’t recall many (if any) instances of costs being awarded in a criminal defence (as distinct from pre-agreed legal aid).
    It is certainly rare, and to have an award of $1 meg and to be delivered within a month of acquittal tells you all you need to know about how fucked up the decision to proceed to trial.
    For those with Nixon-Overland syndrome, here is a reminder of the judge’s view:-

    There is a legal concept called the eggshell rule which basically means if your actions harm someone and the consequences to that harmed person are worse than could be reasonable foreseen due to some unknown quality/characteristic of that person which exacerbated the harm, too bad, you have to cop the blame for the extra harm. The eggshell rule is a tort law rule at common law but I can only suppose the wallopers tried to apply this.

    In addition, S.418-421 NSW Crimes Act allows people acting in self-defence to so act to the point of causing death in circumstances of defending themselves and others. This right is applicable outside of a person’s home.

    It is perplexing this guy was charged given this and the reported facts. The wallopers though do not want people taking the law into their own hands. They squash any attempt to do so.

    The $1 million is not a windfall and although unusual in criminal cases sets a scope limit on how much legal costs to pay his solicitors the guy can recover. If his legal costs are more than $1million then he will still be out of pocket. To recover more he would have to sue the wallopers for false arrest.

  103. cohenite

    Who cares what the D’rats say and do

    You do head prefect.

    As for public opinion, that public is being added to by illegals as fast as the demorats can give them drivers licences.

  104. johanna

    Dirt files – without question, LL.

    The times they should have been done for DUI but got off with a nod and a wink. The private propensity for little boys or girls. The affair with a staffer which would mean financial ruin if it came out and the wife sued for divorce. The raid on a brothel featuring underage illegal immigrants and a Prominent Public Figure.

    Anyone who doesn’t believe that they have dirt files needs to buy this bridge I have for sale, before someone else snaps it up!

  105. areff

    Dave, Australia Council used to have an online register where you could search by recipient name, or check everyone so gifted to taxpayer cash in any federal electorate, going back to 2008.

    About a year ago, they “improved” the site by killing this function, so it is now just about impossible to find how much any one “practitioner” has received. They’ll send you a .pdf of the latest recipients upon request, but there’s now no way to get an overall picture.

    I wrote to ask why the change and was initially told the search function would be restored when the site had been upgraded in full.

    When it didn’t reappear, I wrote again, as below:

    Dear Briana,
    you might recall that back in early February — the 7th to be precise — we corresponded about the sudden disappearance from the Australia Council website of the handy search function that made it so very easy for visitors to learn which grant recipients were getting how much for what, when and in which electorate.

    You assured me the search would be restored in short order:

    Access to the awarded grants through the file that is currently available on the website is a temporary solution as the systems are updated.

    The intention is to return to a dynamic interface for the awarded grants information.

    Well here we are, almost two months on, and the search function remains missing from your website.

    Just at the moment this has me especially miffed, as I am keen to learn the sum(s) awarded to indigenous playwright Nakkiah Lui, who you might have seen on the ABC the other night as a guest compere of Get Krack!in. As The Australian quoted Ms Lui,

    “My character goes on this rapid character arc from doing the floss (dance), to ripping off her Spanx undergarments, to trying to poo on a cushion (embroidered with the face of one of the Kates). It’s fantasy.”

    So, in light the Australia Council’s extended delay in restoring the function, could you tell me:

    a/ how many grants and their dollar amounts Ms Lui has received

    and

    b/ the date on which the Australia Council intends to restore the grant search function, thus allowing Australians to see quickly and easily where their tax dollars are being spent.

    Regards,

    etc etc

    The subsequent reply was that they had decided against re-doing the search function and, if I didn’t like it, stiff cheese.

    After that I alerted the Minister’s (Fifield at that stage) office and was told it would be brought to his attention. When I followed-up a bit later, the word (verbally conveyed) was that the minister was going to let the matter rest.

    Want to now why the mad Left luvvie elite continues to hold the high ground in the so-called culture war?

    It’s because our side doesn’t have the will or backbone to fight.

    I mean, if you aren’t even prepared to take on a bunch of effete luvvies, what chance of hammering the much more formidable lobbies of renewables rent-seekers, the social engineers tampering with the armed forces or the paid liars of the ABC?

  106. Juan

    I mean, seriously, not even the most conspiratorially-driven could sustain an argument the High Court has been politically stacked.

    Mabo.

    Was Mabo handed down by the High Court as currently composed? No.

    So, to clarify, would anyone suggest the current High Court has been politically stacked?

  107. dover_beach

    A major part of ‘Dinner Bell’ Nixon’s brief was to feminise the Police Force and all that is attendant on erasing toxic masculinity.

    Quite. Overland. Nixon. Ashton.

  108. Juan

    The essential element of religious freedom in an individually autonomous society such as ours is Person A does not get to decide the religious rules which Person B must adhere to.

    Etc. So you agree that the law in Victoria does not reflect that of an individually autonomous society then given it has legislated how Catholics should conduct confession.

    You’re conflating two unrelated issues.

    In my example, you’re Person A, who doesn’t have to right to determine the validity of Person B’s religious beliefs; you’re not the State of Victoria, which can legislate in respect of religion and other matters.

    Ordinarily I might have said we’re at cross purposes, but in truth you’re at cross purposes with your own argument!

    But your protest about that was exactly?

    I’d ordinarily be happy to answer any question, and of course I do have a view on the Victorian laws, but you didn’t even have the courtesy to answer my question — I will accept the High Court’s decision […] Can you say the same? ⁠— so, I don’t necessarily feel honour-bound to answer yours when there is no spirit of reciprocity.

  109. JC

    The Mocker in the Oz is great. In fact he’s one who actually makes the paper.

    Under the headline piece today,

    The Mocker’s predictions for 2020

    The Mocker brings out the crystal ball to see what’s in store for poseurs, sneering social commentators and po-faced officials. It’s not pretty.

    He gets stuck into Frightbat, Jane Caro. Jane’s ashamed, like really ashamed.

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    This is beyond horrifying. I am ashamed of my country.

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    I think we have become a country I am ashamed of – and why? Because our politicians believe it helps them get elected. #4corners

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    In a decade will we look back on our current treatment of asylum seekers & feel as ashamed as we do about white Australia policy? #AskBolt

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    #qanda 40,000 civilians! Holy shit! We voted against this? Every day I feel more utterly ashamed of my country. I was proud once.

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    I am so sorry & ashamed of my country.

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    Is this what Australia does to children now? I am so ashamed. @4corners

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    @PamelaNathan1 I for one am deeply ashamed of what we have become. Selfish, cruel & racist.

    Jane Caro

    @JaneCaro

    #qanda I am ashamed for my country too.

    I’m not making any assumptions Jane feels ashamed. None. But Mocker does. Mocker is betting that Jane’s shame will continue in 2020.

  110. cohenite

    Peak stupid reset again:

    Clouds block the dawn light at Dan Andrews’ corroboree of jobbery
    J. D. Morecambe The Spectator Australia 19 December 2019

    Victoria’s First People’s Assembly sat for the first time last week, with the Doric colonnade of Parliament House welcoming a veritable corroboree of Aboriginal representatives, activists and self-appointed traditional owners from across the state. The venerable halls of the Victorian Legislative Council were decked with eucalyptus branches, wooden vessels and possum pelts adorned with the Assembly’s logo, the portraits of past Victorian statesmen looked on as their old seats were taken up by the 21 elected and 11 appointed members of the new, Aboriginal-only assembly.
    The stated purpose of the Assembly is to create an Aboriginal representative body with the sovereign power to negotiate a treaty (or treaties) with the State Government of Victoria. The Assembly intends to establish a ‘Treaty Authority’, which will umpire the treaty process, a ‘Treaty Negotiation Framework’, which will determine the rules and who participates in the process, and a ‘Self-determination Fund’ which will grant enough state funding for Aboriginal representatives to treat ‘on equal terms’ with the Victorian Government.
    With over $30 million in state funding already allocated to establish up the assembly, the recent elections achieved the dismal turnout of about 2,000 voters, with around a third of those enrolled not even casting their votes. With voters representing approximately five per cent of the total Aboriginal population of Victoria, the state government spent roughly $15,000 for every vote cast to set up the Assembly, which is yet to make its actual funding demands. Despite this, Treaty Advancement Commissioner Jill Gallagher applauded Aboriginal voters turning out ‘in their thousands’, which she described as a ‘huge result’.
    Further compounding this rocky start, two seats in the Assembly remained empty on its first sitting; one, Jason Kelly’s, who refused to attend because he felt that the colonial setting was ‘culturally unsafe‘, and the second, by the Yorta Yorta nation, who described the Assembly as ‘farcical‘ and refused to recognise the sovereignty of the ‘British Colonial Authorities’ as represented by the State Government.
    Despite these setbacks, the first sitting was applauded as a success, being largely taken up by welcome to country ceremonies, invocations of elders, congratulatory speeches and introductions from each of the Aboriginal members….

  111. Porter

    Two firefighters have been placed in induced comas after suffering serious burns when their crew was engulfed by flames at Bargo today.

    Rural Fire Service Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons said the two men had suffered burns to their faces their airways and have been intubated.

    “This crew of five were overrun by fire and enveloped by fire,” Mr Fitzsimmons said.

  112. areff

    Shit! Sorry, senior moment. Yes, Sir Peter should be “Sir Ken”.

    Blame it on the cat. She’s sitting on my knee and pretending her purring affection has nothing to do with imminent feeding time.

    (Nah. Tell the truth: it was native stupidity on my part)

  113. jo

    Barack Obama Is “Absolutely Confident” That Women Make Better Leaders

    He should know. He made an excellent girls blouse.

  114. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So, to clarify, would anyone suggest the current High Court has been politically stacked?

    absolutely. the judiciary is infested with activist judges

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The subsequent reply was that they had decided against re-doing the search function and, if I didn’t like it, stiff cheese.

    After that I alerted the Minister’s (Fifield at that stage) office and was told it would be brought to his attention. When I followed-up a bit later, the word (verbally conveyed) was that the minister was going to let the matter rest.

    escalate to the prime minister’s office

  116. JC

    As for public opinion, that public is being added to by illegals as fast as the demorats can give them drivers licences.

    They’re in places like NY and California. That’s not going to tip over the voting, I think. But you know because you’re a personal injury and divorce lawyer.

    By the way, watch Marriage Story. The movie is actually not about marriage but divorce. The divorce lawyers are very funny with the exception of Laura Dern, who I can’t stand even looking at her. You don’t have to worry about her though because you’re ghey.

  117. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    @JaneCaro
    I am so ashamed. @4corners

    may I recommend self-immolation?

  118. Overburdened

    Right contract locked in start early January in a pre-eminent shit hole.

    3 months.

    Head down and get on with it.

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Basically what was said. Very, very unusual in criminal matters, because it’s the judge saying on record that the charges should never have made it out of the gate – despite what certain devastated teenage girls will have you believe.

    It’s also a perfect base for a malicious prosecution case for punitive damages, should Mr Seven Figures Richer for Killing A Fat Ropist Ice Freak Battherham choose to go there. And I for one say go for it.

  120. Overburdened

    Areff

    The names Peter and Ken are derived from the ancient Bulgarian name Kepetern, which roughly translates as, ‘our names are the same but different’.

  121. Leigh Lowe

    You mean like this wymminses who, even after conviction, was described on Nein News as a “respected female officer.”
    Apparently she was a sponsored untouchable within VikPol and, by scoring all the good news prrss conferences in Geelong, was besties with the meeja.
    The chances of her being charged under the reign of Queen Christine would have been close to zero.

  122. Overburdened

    Zippy

    Wise decision. I was running with ritual self-disembowelling, but she’s got a lot of guts.

  123. JC

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3266828, posted on December 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    @JaneCaro
    I am so ashamed. @4corners

    may I recommend self-immolation?

    She’s selectively ashamed though.
    Mocker:

    I

    t is also paradoxical. If she really is so ashamed to be Australian, why does she endlessly tell the world about it? In reality, the catalyst for this behaviour is an egotistical belief she is the nation’s moral barometer.

    Caro is so ashamed to be an Australian that she added the abbreviation AM to her Twitter bio only hours after her admittance to the Order of Australia was announced in this year’s Queen’s birthday honours. Paradoxically, her perpetual shame for her country did not stop her from accepting such accolades, nor has it caused her in the months since to hand it back. If she is true to her principles, Caro should do just that. Of course, that would mean ditching the honorifics.

  124. struth

    I mean, seriously, not even the most conspiratorially-driven could sustain an argument the High Court has been politically stacked.

    Mabo.

    Was Mabo handed down by the High Court as currently composed? No.

    “Has been politically stacked”…………………………………….your words.

    So yes, it has been politically stacked, and only a fucking moron lefty in this day and age could think otherwise.

  125. Overburdened

    Another self aggrandised fuckwit enabled by the day time television set and the echo chamber she lives in.

    I for one would be happy to have an active role in realising Zippy’s solution to ease so much of her angst.

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    Factoid:

    Big Kev abolished just about the only group of people in VicPol who truly terrified scrotes in order to get the job done. The Armed Robbery Squad.

    She renamed it the Armed Offenders Squad, then disbanded it altogether. Not because they weren’t getting results, and not because it was corrupt, a la Rogerson’s crew in Sidernee.

    Because they intimidated people. Namely, her.

    When she was in NSW she applied for a detective’s job, and was told to ‘fuck off girly’ by the then establishment. She’s hated the CIB ever since. Naturally, as soon as she got the big chair in Vic she filled the joint with poof squads and Mardi Gras chairpeople.

    Chicks. Grudges. Decades.

  127. Porter

    Why do the same muppets who claim white man stole Aboriginal land and invaded the country persist in demanding we let in every riff raff that washes up on our shores. Has anyone ever asked Jane Caro?

  128. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Two firefighters have been placed in induced comas after suffering serious burns when their crew was engulfed by flames at Bargo today.

    faark. skipped a heartbeat, me kid’s there today…. fortunately he was not involved in that one

  129. Mitch M.

    Study: Obesity could affect brain development in children

    “Our results show an important connection; that kids with higher BMI tend to have a thinner cerebral cortex, especially in the prefrontal area,” said Jennifer Laurent, an associate professor in the Department of Nursing at the University of Vermont and lead author of the study.


    “We found widespread thinning of cerebral cortex” among research subjects with higher BMI, Mackey said, but especially so in the prefontal area.

    “That’s significant because we know that executive function, things like memory and the ability to plan, are controlled in that area of the brain,” he said.

    There is a chicken and egg issue lurking in this but either way it is a problem that higher BMI leads to thinning of the neocortex because there is no recovery from that. At the margins there might be some recovery but it strikes me as unlikely.

    I’m more inclined to think the kids had a thinner prefrontal region as the cause rather than obesity causing the thinning but the evidence can support the alternative because obesity does the brain no favours and in children the effect might be mediated by the cell pruning that occurs at various stages in maturation.

  130. feelthebern

    Bernese, KD, from the Swiss canton, Bern.

    Feel the Swiss Canton !

  131. Porter

    I have always thought the Mocker was Tim Blair.

  132. johanna

    I have unearthed a trove of vintage Dave Barry columns. I won’t provide a link – do the work yourselves, if you care. Besides, the Insincerator won’t allow it.

    From time to time, I will post one of his best. Today, as a salute to those of our commenters who have a lot to say about female attributes, but are very shy when it comes to publicly comparing themselves to Arnie S. or Dick Dongle, I present:

    When we think of Wisconsin, we think of it as the nation’s Heartland — a placid place where you can park your car anywhere and leave it unlocked, with the key in the ignition, knowing that no matter how long you’re gone, when you return your car will be covered with cheese.

    But, more important, your car will still be there, because Wisconsin is a decent, honest place, populated by decent, honest, chunky people. Or so I always thought. But then I received, from several alert readers, a shocking article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, written by Marilynn Marchione. This article describes an evil, almost unthinkable activity that is raging out of control in Wisconsin, and threatens to infect Minnesota (the nation’s Spleenland) and Iowa (the nation’s Pancreaticglandland).

    What is this activity? I will answer that in two shocking words, which you probably never thought you would read in a family newspaper: udder tampering.

    Yes. There are men in Wisconsin who are using artificial means to make their cows’ udders more attractive. Why? Because these men are very, very lonely.

    No, seriously, they are doing it to win livestock shows. These are competitions in which cows are judged on various characteristics, kind of like human beauty-pageant contestants, except that the cows are more likely to know what “Iraq” is.

    For livestock judges, the most important part of a cow is the udder, because this is where the cow produces important dairy products such as milk, butter, cheese, yogurt and ranch dressing, via a process called “photosynthesis.” As you know (like HECK you do), a standard cow has one udder, which is divided into quarters, each of which has a nipple, or “teat.”

    Livestock judges — who, I’m guessing, are predominantly male — prefer cows with big, round, firm udders. The judges are not interested in cows with droopy udders, even if these cows are smarter and have nicer personalities. On Saturday nights, when the big-udder cows are basking in the glamour of the livestock show, the droopy-udder cows are back in the barn, alone, quietly chewing on Danielle Steel novels.

    Here’s where the scandal comes in: There are people whose job is to prepare cows for livestock shows. These people are called (I swear) “cow fitters.” Most cow fitters are honest. “As honest as a cow fitter” is an expression you hear frequently in the Heartland. Unfortunately, in recent years, a growing number of “bad apple” fitters have been artificially enhancing udders using various injections. This ticks off honest dairy farmers such as (I swear) Elmo Wendorf of Oconomowoc, Wis., who is quoted in the Journal Sentinel as follows:

    “What they’re trying to do is make both rear quarters absolutely equal, both 36 double-D. It’s kind of like women having a breast implant. People really hate it when I compare cows to humans, but it’s kind of the same.”

    Cheating in livestock shows is illegal, and punishable by fines, or even prison. (“What are you in for?” “Murder. And you?” “Udder tampering.” “YIKES!”) But how do you catch the cheaters? The tampering is invisible to the naked eyeball, and most cows are too loyal, or just plain too scared, to squeal on their fitters.

    Fortunately, there is hope, thanks to the work of cow scientists at the University of Wisconsin. According to the Journal Sentinel, these scientists have developed a technique, using ultrasound, to check udders for tampering.

    There’s a photo in the newspaper showing university veterinarian Robert O’Brien squatting under a suspected cow, peering intently at an electronic device while holding some kind of sensor against the cow’s udder, looming large overhead.

    The udder-tampering crime wave is not fiction: It is real. And that is why we all owe a debt of gratitude to the developers of the ultrasound technique, which could offer significant benefits to humanity, beyond livestock shows. As Dr. O’Brien told the Journal Sentinel (I swear): “We think we could clean up the Miss America contest with the same technology.”

    The failing Miami Herald has put up a paywall to Dave’s classics, but love always finds a way.

  133. Juan

    So yes, it has been politically stacked, and only a fucking moron lefty in this day and age could think otherwise.

    So, tell us … who are the political appointments, and what are their political biases?

    I’ll give you a list:

    ○ Chief Justice Kiefel
    ○ Justice Bell
    ○ Justice Gageler
    ○ Justice Keane
    ○ Justice Nettle
    ○ Justice Gordon
    ○ Justice Edelman

  134. Crooked coppers. Who is Mr. Big (or Ms. Big)?

  135. areff

    On another matter, just got a warning from PowerCorp to prepare for blackouts tomorrow.

    If I have to live in a Third World country, would much prefer Jamaica.

  136. On another matter, just got a warning from PowerCorp to prepare for blackouts tomorrow.

    See my predictive post above.
    She’s gunna blow Cap’n!

  137. JC

    Jeez Lord.
    3 fucking years!

    An American Airlines mechanic accused of sabotaging a navigation system on a Miami flight with 150 passengers aboard pleaded guilty Wednesday to attempting to destroy the aircraft in a plea agreement designed to avoid a maximum sentence up to 20 years in prison.

    “I do admit the guilt,” Abdul-Majeed Marouf Ahmed Alani, 60, said through an Arabic interpreter in Miami federal court.

    Alani, a veteran AA employee who had lived in California and commuted to his job at Miami International Airport, now faces up to three years in prison under a joint recommendation by the U.S. Attorney’s Office and his defense lawyer. His sentencing is set for March 4.

    At his detention hearing in September after his arrest, federal prosecutors suggested that Alani may have possible links to a Middle East terrorist group, but that allegation never came up at his plea hearing before U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke.

    Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238483208.html#storylink=cpy

    One question. If the evil fungus needed an Arab- English interpreter, why did AA hire the prick in the first time as I would have thought command of English in that job is pretty vital.

  138. Some History

    Carosene

    President Trump is impeached. I am not sure what it means in the long run (he’s still President, after all) but its momentous and he’ll HATE it.

    https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1207479885595213824?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  139. I would sentence Tubs and Fatty to 50 years of incarceration fed only with bread and water.

    Except methinks this years wheat crop is insufficient.

  140. Mitch M.

    One question. If the evil fungus needed an Arab- English interpreter, why did AA hire the prick in the first time as I would have thought command of English in that job is pretty vital.

    Two possibilities: Diversity hiring, cheaper labour.

  141. JC

    whoops.. first place… not first time.

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hi Liz. I see Lizzie Attention Deprivement Syndrome (LADS) is still an issue. Cheer up, old duck.

    Sing me a better song than that, KD. Get off the LDS (Lizzie Derangement Syndrome) bandwagon and start to live; girls might even like you. LADS is not a thing, ‘cos it’s not real, that’s just you liking the sound of the acronym, whereas LDS is totally a thing. As Porter says, it is normal to have conversations around here. About all sorts of things. Only the truly deranged about a fellow-commenter harp on about ‘attention seeking’ when they themselves are here 24/7 (you) or when they take up a whole day’s OT telling everyone what they think about everything (Johanna, yesterday). At least I hop conversationally in and out of here without too much patterning in time or content.

    Speaking of time, it’s now it’s time to tell you all about how awful Westfields Bondi is during the Christmas rush. We’ve just come back from fighting our way through. Lots of people getting in out of the ash-filled atmosphere, kids everywhere, and all staff were frantically busy. I wanted to buy a new CD player to play my old CD’s on, but like record players and video players of yore, CD players are now going out of style. It’s all compressed digital now, and you’ve gotta get with the trend. But I am not ditching my old CD’s, collected in my travels, some of them rare and not available anywhere online. I’m willing to toss the old Pioneer model CD and Tape Player, proudly announcing ‘MP3 ready’, for it has just about given up the ghost. I’m prepared to digitize (or toss) all of my old tapes and rely on an old tape player as needed, but I draw the line at tossing the CD’s. $399 solved the problem. When Hairy gets more organized with our digital music then we’ll go see Bose. Till then, our hifi is lowfi. What’s best to do now?

  143. JC

    Some people may recall WorldCom and the CEO, Bernie Ebbers who got a long stretch.

    Ex-WorldCom CEO Bernie Ebbers Granted Early Prison Release

    A federal judge has authorized the release of former telecom chief Bernie Ebbers from prison after more than 13 years because of his deteriorating health.

    This got me thinking about the mortality rate for prisoners. I get the impression they don’t last as long as the general population… (not general prison one). I wonder if there’s evidence for that.

  144. Juan

    One question. If the evil fungus needed an Arab- English interpreter, why did AA hire the prick in the first time as I would have thought command of English in that job is pretty vital.

    Two possibilities: Diversity hiring, cheaper labour.

    A third possibility: Calling for interpreters is a common strategy everywhere from Reagan-Gorbachev summits down to the local courts. It allows you extra time to consider the question and formulate your answer.

  145. johanna

    Thanks, Lizzie. The world needed to know about your latest shopping trip.

    Or perhaps you are mixing up your posts with Facebook?

  146. cohenite

    Leigh Lowe
    #3266833, posted on December 19, 2019 at 5:14 pm
    You mean like this wymminses who, even after conviction, was described on Nein News as a “respected female officer.”
    Apparently she was a sponsored untouchable within VikPol and, by scoring all the good news prrss conferences in Geelong, was besties with the meeja.
    The chances of her being charged under the reign of Queen Christine would have been close to zero.

    FMD, she’s a 1 woman crime wave, all with a sergeant’s uniform; she recently pleaded guilty while suspended on full pay and conducting a further fraudulent business. What a kunt.

  147. struth

    After seven years as a solicitor with the Redfern Legal Centre……………………..

    Justice Bell.

    Bloody feminist chief justice was nominated by Malcom Tunbull.

    Good lord man do I have to go on.

    There would not be a true conservative amongst them.

  148. cohenite

    Kings of Pain sounds watchable: the plot summary:

    Two Fearless Men Getting Stung and Bit by the Most Dangerous Animals in the World to Create the Ultimate Guide to Measuring Pain.

    I wonder how many of the animals will be women.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    Jeez, Lillibet. I didn’t even mention you. You just butted in on someone else’s commentary.

    Calm down, old girl. It’ll be okay. You don’t have to weave yourself into everything.

    You’re right though. I do like LADS. Ooooh. How unedifying.

  150. Leigh Lowe

    More from Sir Ken Jones (aka Peter Jones). Allen is the boss at Ballarat station. Lay was then an Assistant Commissioner and later Commish.

    29. I was by then running the processes which compared the performance of all our divisions and the data showed that Ballarat was ahead of a good number of other divisions which were not performing as well. I asked Ken Lay what he made of this conflict. He told me that the chief had heard Mr Allen criticizing him in a personal sense on the Diana intercept material and that his intense dislike of Mr Allen flowed from that. If that were true then that would have been an unlawful access and use of that material. This suggestion chimed with the actual investigation where officers were picked up criticizing a proposed overseas trip, such criticisms were then interpreted as a feature of the destabilization theory. In my view this was risible. A good example of the overly close links and unhealthy relationship between the Opi and Victoria Police; the regulator and the regulated.

    So many pearls in this one.
    As Sir Ken Jones said in an earlier paragraph, subordinates often criticize superiors among themselves in private, and it is a huge “so what” … except if you are a thin-skinned moron like Overland.
    As he also says, the fact that surveillance tapes picked up personal snipes at Overland should have had no relevance. They were not the purpose of the surveillance and a professional copper and/or a mature human being would have ignored them.
    But what was the purpose of the surveillance, and who was the target?
    Allen was not the target and just happened to be talking to one of the targets, who were Paul Mullett (then Police Association secretary and ex Robbers squad hard-arse) and Noel Ashby (then Assistant Commissioner and perceived rival to Overland).
    The purpose of the surveillance was supposed links between Ashby/Mullett and ex drug squad copper Paul Dale, who Simple Simon was trying to get in the frame for murdering a certain Mr Terrence Hodson and Hodson’s wife. Incidentally, Hodson was a particularly dodgy drug dealer, thief and informer, and the list of suspects would have been as long as one of Christine’s restaurant tabs.
    The premise for tapping Mullett’s and Ashby’s phone was bullshit, and just a front for using OPI surveillance as a tool to settle petty office jealousies.
    So that’s the background.
    What happened next shows what a fucking gifted amateur Overland was.
    One morning the “proposed overseas trip”, (which was Overland going to the Sorbonne for a short course summer school jolly) got a run on 3AW’s Rumour File. I am led to believe that the call to 3AW came from Ashby, Mullett, Allen or one of two others. Simple Simon arrived in the office with a full head of steam up ranting that he was going to get Ashby and Mullett over this.
    Messrs Ashby and Mullett deduced in short order that their phones were off and went to ground.
    Here’s the thing.
    If Overland genuinely believed that Ashby and Mullett were involved in a mudder, even as an accessory, he has just blown up a major investigation.
    If he didn’t believe they were involved, he admits that he illegally used surveillance to stitch up office rivals.

  151. cohenite

    Justice Bell.
    Bloody feminist chief justice was nominated by Malcom Tunbull.

    Another reason why turdball should rot in hell.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A classic piece of LDS was just flung in from some bitter soul in Queanbeyan.
    Just the usual. Please ignore.

  153. Juan

    After seven years as a solicitor with the Redfern Legal Centre……………………..

    Justice Bell.

    Bloody feminist chief justice was nominated by Malcom Tunbull.

    Even if one were to concede this point, one does not make for a stacked court.

    Good lord man do I have to go on.

    Yes, if you want to demonstrate the court is stacked. You’ll have to do better than one-of-seven.

    If you can only point to one judge, then you are effectively declaring you have faith the majority will deliver the right verdict.

  154. Knuckle Dragger

    Watched an ad for Kings of Pain the other day.

    More than happy to watch people getting bitten by stuff.

  155. JC

    Jez

    It’s Xmas, lighten up or go to bed.

  156. struth

    That’s two in seven, FMD

  157. Juan

    Bloody feminist chief justice was nominated by Malcom Tunbull.

    My apologies, I initially misread that as applying to Justice Bell.

    You are aware, aren’t you, Susan Kiefel was appointed by John Howard? If she’s a feminist I’m sure Howard thought she’s a feminist he could have faith in to do right.

  158. Knuckle Dragger

    I remember that LL.

    Part of the tape was Mullett referring to Call me Simon’s escargot jaunt as a ‘trip to gay Paree’.

    Sensitive little soul he was.

  159. Caveman

    I’m watching the reporters on the bushfires , remember when it’s flooding they get in there up to their waist to report , not so easy when it’s fire, they just where yellow coats with safety glasses from a distance. I’ll respect the first reporter that does it deep in the fire.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I do like LADS

    So now you’re a gay old man as well as a patronizing old one?
    Hadn’t picked the first bit, the second has been obvious for some time.

    LDS in full display there, btw. Don’t lie about that.

    If Porter is None, then hi None. If not, then hi Porter. You’ve got KD down pat.
    KD, get off the LDS bandwagon. It does not improve your performance here.
    Getting off with Johanna helps no-one, least of all you.

  161. struth

    Do your own homework and prove me wrong………………
    next one was appointed by the Gillard government, I’ll do that for you.

    It’s called the march through he institutions, and our high court was stuffed by Mabo and still is.
    Our country’s judiciary and lawyers are pure shit, as we see in Victoria at this very second, and as we saw with Pell………………………………..do your own homework.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3266845, posted on December 19, 2019 at 5:23 pm
    Factoid:
    Big Kev abolished just about the only group of people in VicPol who truly terrified scrotes in order to get the job done. The Armed Robbery Squad.
    She renamed it the Armed Offenders Squad, then disbanded it altogether. Not because they weren’t getting results, and not because it was corrupt, a la Rogerson’s crew in Sidernee.
    Because they intimidated people. Namely, her.

    See my post at 5:59 about Mullett.
    Old school Robbers Squad who became Police Association boss and scuttled her plans to spill everyone out of the Drug Squad and fill it with “party drug educators” and “injecting centre supervisors”.
    .

    When she was in NSW she applied for a detective’s job, and was told to ‘fuck off girly’ by the then establishment. She’s hated the CIB ever since.

    Spent the first ten minutes yesterday advancing that sook as a reason why she had no operational experience. It was da sexism what done it.
    .

    Naturally, as soon as she got the big chair in Vic she filled the joint with poof squads and Mardi Gras chairpeople.

    A former hot-dog person who I have had an association with tells me that her “leadership” meetings were chaired by an outside consultant, so that she could avoid adjudicating on issues she knew fuck all about.

  163. johanna

    Just keep mentioning my name, Lizzie. It’s catnip to me. 🙂

    Makes it all worthwhile.

  164. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Jeez, Lillibet

    That’s better. I’ve always quite liked Lillibet although you’re the first to ever call me that.

    Her Maj did it proud.

    Hairy calls me Babygirl, but that’s just for him.
    Special privilege. Lizzie is fine for anyone else though.
    I don’t stand on ceremony with Elizabeth.
    Elizabeth is my alter ego. She writes for Quadrant and is very serious. 🙂

  165. struth

    You are aware, aren’t you, Susan Kiefel was appointed by John Howard? If she’s a feminist I’m sure Howard thought she’s a feminist he could have faith in to do right.

    Howard wasn’t right wing!

    Are you honestly telling me if they were appointed by the Libs, it makes them right wing?
    Turnbull was also in the Liberal party?
    FMD, dumb Abbott gave top jobs to the likes of Natasha Soul Destroyer……………………..some fucking crap like ambassador for women.

    There would not be a high court judge that believes in individualism and doesn’t worship at the totem pole of colonial victimhood.

  166. feelthebern

    Oh it’s on.
    It’s on like Donkey Kong.

  167. feelthebern

    It’s 6:16pm in Sydney.
    The fighting hour.

  168. Rockdoctor

    Caveman
    #3266901, posted on December 19, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    Here was me earlier in the year during our flood event darkly thinking about another bottle blonde from Brisbane on the tube without a clue of NQ; “hmmm, hope there’s no croc’s or sharks lurking below there…”

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3266900, posted on December 19, 2019 at 6:07 pm
    I remember that LL.
    Part of the tape was Mullett referring to Call me Simon’s escargot jaunt as a ‘trip to gay Paree’.
    Sensitive little soul he was.

    So it was Mullett?
    Good work that man!
    My hot-dog source narrowed it down to one of five blokes.
    .
    What little I know of Mullett, it wouldn’t surprise me if suspected his phone was off, and deliberately made the 3AW call to flush out Simple Simon.
    More street smarts than Cueball would ever accrue if he lived as long as Methuselah.

  170. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It does not improve your performance here.’

    Great feedback from the blog nana. Must lift standards to gain approval.

    I appreciate you’ve had a hard day being in close proximity to the commoners, but even for you calling people gay’s a bit low energy. Maybe a quick rest, as long as you don’t entangle yourself in the Italian eiderdown. There’s a dear.

  171. Mitch M.

    The tenacity of these bods. They won’t give up. Every obstacle thrown at them is met head on. It takes years if not decades but the progress keeps coming.

    Antitumour T cells stand the test of time

  172. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    LDS in the initial stages of display there. Attention-seeking is a big part of it.
    The full syndrome of course requires copious drinks to bring it to its best.

    Hang in their, lurkers.
    Best we don’t mention its name.
    They don’t defer gratification in this syndrome.

  173. Nick

    Strange that all of those whining about ScoMo needing to fight the fires, were the same ones mocking Abbott for doing just that.

  174. Porter

    Juan, I’m pleased to see your inner fascist on display.

    I am not bound to answer anybody’s questions – neither is anyone else here – especially not from an illiberal troll. But let me humour you for a moment.

    The High Court deals in legal wankery. It does not deal with justice or with evidence.

    The facts of the case against Pell as accepted by the Victorian courts, including all three Victorian appeals judges, show that it us impossible for Pell to have committed the alleged crimes. But even so, these facts will not be considered by the High Court. And regardless of how the High Court finds, those objective facts will remain unchanged. It was impossible for Pell to have committed those crimes and it will forever remain impossible for Pell to have committed those crimes based on the claims made by the prosecution (all reverse re-engineering of evidence aside) and accepted by the court.

    The High Court will rule on a legal reasoning issue, the effect of which is this. If it says the appeal court was right, then that means Pell was found guilty because the onus of proof has been reversed and rests with the defendant who must prove his innocence and since the appeals judges ruled he could have done it, that is enough to convict him (and despite the fact that all the facts accepted by the courts showed it was impossible for him to have committed the crime. These facts are irrelevant). The High Court will simply be keeping an innocent man in jail.

    If the High Court overturns the appeals court judgement it effectively says: the onus of proof correctly rests on the accuser and based on the evidence presented during the hearings it was not open to the court to find that the defendant was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The facts still remain unchanged and still show that it was impossible for Pell to have committed the crime.

    I have over simplified things of course but let me simplify it further. I don’t support any court that reverses the onus of proof or which keeps an innocent man in jail. Do you?

    It is also quite possible for the High Court rule to release Pell for all the wrong reasons and in that case I can support Pell’s release because he is innocent but not their reasoning.

    The fact that the full bench will hear the application for leave as if on appeal suggests that there is a very serious matter of legal reasoning at play. The High Court apparatchiks would also be well aware that the reputations of three senior judges are at play. Victorian legals on the other hand are also well aware of some eyebrow-raising behaviour by at least one High Court judge and may not be happy about a full bench. This is irrelevant to me because the important matter here is the jailing of an innocent man, not some legal’s bruised ego or your petty politics and anti Catholic bigotry. You cannot dispense justice for victims of child sex abuse by jailing innocent people.

    The court system may be the best that we have but it doesn’t make it infallible and it doesn’t make it the arbiter of truth. It is perfectly possible for every Court in the land to be wrong. Lindy Chamberlain can attest to that.

  175. Watching a lot of the live feed over the past days, it seems that VicPol’s use of Gobbo is a – perhaps the – major factor in the dismantling and conviction of the kingpins in the rival drug and murder rings of Melbourne in the recent past. She was also instrumental in busting open the Karam (tomato tins) case. When an assessment of the public welfare is made, these matters should be put on the side of VicPol and the brave but crazy Nicola Gobbo.

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    cohenite
    #3266819, posted on December 19, 2019 at 5:05 pm
    Peak stupid reset again:

    And the galleries packed with wimmin in their finest, escorted by their gentlemen. All later repaired to the lawns of Parliament House to celebrate this founding of a new nation, followed in the evening by a fireworks display and culturally sensitive town camp revelry late into the night.

  177. Nick

    Just keep mentioning my name, Lizzie. It’s catnip to me. 🙂

    Makes it all worthwhile.

    It reminds me of the current meme where the deranged woman is screaming at the smiling white cat.

  178. feelthebern

    Footage of the Cat ladies this evening.

  179. JC

    When an assessment of the public welfare is made, these matters should be put on the side of VicPol and the brave but crazy Nicola Gobbo.

    What does that mean?

  180. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Clouds block the dawn light at Dan Andrews’ corroboree of jobbery
    J. D. Morecambe The Spectator Australia 19 December 2019

    The rest of cohenite’s link makes interesting reading. Bring on the referendum about constitutional recognition.

    While the contents of the treaty/treaties will be discussed in future sittings, vague hints of what will be included are already beginning to materialise. Ms Gallagher, in her address at the new ‘Aboriginal National Press Club’, stated that the treaty should include a ‘percentage of seats in Parliament’ reserved for the Aboriginal race as a kind of reimagined Lords Spiritual, Aboriginal culture being taught ‘compulsorily’ in schools, and Aboriginal languages being ‘brought back’, among many other things. Above all, she said that ‘there has to be land, there has to be compensation. There’s no getting around it.’

    With some form of native title existing over 14 899 km2, or approximately 57 per cent of the state’s landmass, and $109 million in state funding going directly to Indigenous affairs, on top of the $33.4 billion already spent annually at the federal level, one wonders where the state will find the means? Regardless, Ms Gallagher promised that ‘Victoria’s not gonna go broke as a result of treaties, and the Victorian Government won’t lose a lot of power. They just might have to share a little bit of it!’.

    As the negotiations begin, the vagueness of the sentiments and scale of the rhetoric around what they will include in the legally-binding treaty provides almost endless scope for what historian Keith Windschuttle calls the ‘Aboriginal political class’ to increase their political and financial powers, and will no doubt further the kind of jobbery and judicial activism he has demonstrated is occurring around this issue. Indeed, in order to overcome the opposition and the lack of bipartisan support for the treaty process, Ms Gallagher has said, simply, that ‘they can embed that further into either the Victorian Constitution or more legislation [sic]’, making it very difficult to extract.

    The next sitting will take place early next year, and will continue five to six times a year (with the executive meeting more regularly) until an agreement has been come to. As there is no deadline for the negotiations, we can expect the new Assembly to sit for as long as they desire. As 21 year old Assembly member Jordan Edwards said; “We are not government, we do not have to act like them, we do not have to be like them… We need to start to put our lore and our culture as equal, ahead of the colonisers.” Without a deadline and without any limit to their ambitions (or funding), we can expect them to do just that.

  181. feelthebern

    When an assessment of the public welfare is made, these matters should be put on the side of VicPol and the brave but crazy Nicola Gobbo.

    Comments like this do my head in.
    Let’s just let the state choose which laws have to be followed, eh?

  182. Top Ender

    And in happy Xmas news….

    A Greens MP has been arrested outside Scott Morrison’s place amid protests today.

    NSW upper house MP David Shoebridge was seen being handcuffed and put in a paddywagon outside Kirribilli House on Sydney’s lower north shore as hundreds gathered to protest the Prime Minister being on holidays while Australia is in the grips of a bushfire crisis.

    Mr Shoebridge took to Twitter to share the court attendance notice he was given.

    “Better diarise this. Arrested and charged with failure to comply with a move-on direction at the #ClimateEmergency rally outside Kirribilli House. Interesting fact is that I was trying to comply! Welcome to NSW policing Coalition-style,” he wrote.

    It comes after an anonymous group wrote an open letter to Mr Morrison’s mum asking her to convince him to tackle the climate crisis.

    Lots of video around showing him very annoyed as he was searched and had his belt removed before being put in the van.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    Two Fearless Men Getting Stung and Bit by the Most Dangerous Animals in the World to Create the Ultimate Guide to Measuring Pain.

    That deserves a photo I took just now. She’ll eat your house!
    They arrived up with the southerly change just before six.

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    KD, still in LDS mode. Pity. Liking LADS is not gay? Who knew?

    A great shame KD continues with the LDS.

    KD, I have never been called Nana in my life, except by you.
    What weird ideas you do have, but I guess that is the derangement going gangbusters.
    Give it up for New Year, there’s a pet. It’s just a piece of old leftism you don’t need.
    Or treat yourself to tossing it by Christmas, that’s sooner. Do it for your own good, laddy. 🙂

  185. Mitch M.

    We need to start to put our lore and our culture as equal, ahead of the colonisers.”

    They make this claim in writing. They should be using smoke signals.

  186. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, that should’ve been ‘along with’ the southerly change. Nice drop in temperature, but bad for the poor firefighters down south at Bargo.

  187. Porter

    I vaguely recall Leigh some protests in Victoria soon after Nixon left the force. Much to everyone’s surprise, Vicpol went in and cleaned out the swampies pretty pronto. I think it was Andrew Rule who wrote this brilliant news item about it. I remember it because he quoted one cop who was quite satisfied with the new tactics saying: “no more Christine Nixon.” I wonder if I can find it again.

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    She’s already had a chop at our fence railings, Bruce. Or her lookalike.

    Gorgeous little thing, really. And her 25 best friends.

    The fruiting fig I planted a year or so ago is now in her ambit.
    Must buy some netting to foil any plans she’s making. 🙂

  189. Porter

    I don’t like Scott Morrison but going after his mother is reprehensible.

  190. Overburdened

    Shoobridge is another arse clown that thinks he’s something.

    In the end we’re all dust.

    I don’t care if he wants to be a fuckwit.

    I would prefer that he piss off somewhere else and do it.

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    corroboree of jobbery

    That’s very good. Our Speccie arrives on Fridays. Always a good read.

  192. Eyrie

    “I would sentence Tubs and Fatty to 50 years of incarceration fed only with bread and water.”

    Who said anything about feed?

  193. Overburdened

    The Overburdened Academy of Behaviour Modification may not help the pricks all that much, but I would feel a whole lot better.

  194. 8th Dan

    40 homes lost today and 3 firefighters burnt. 800 homes lost this bushfire season so far.

    Hope Fat Mo© and Jenny are enjoying Hawaii, touching up their tans, sipping Mai Tais.

    Wonder how soon they’ll realize the error of their ways and return to face the public, as Gough and Margaret did in 1974.

  195. Gab

    That’s a lovely picture of you, Lizzie. You’re rather photogenic.

    Was that taken at your dance studio?

  196. Nick

    Septimus, what a flog you are.
    1. What can they possibly do?
    2. This happens every year

  197. Porter

    When an assessment of the public welfare is made, these matters should be put on the side of VicPol and the brave but crazy Nicola Gobbo.

    You probably need to read Sir Ken’s statement Rafiki.

  198. Overburdened

    I’ve written the new Australian National Anthem

    Niieeyearrrararaiiarreyeeyearrrarararaiiiiarrayou white cxnts

  199. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It reminds me of the current meme where the deranged woman is screaming at the smiling white cat.

    I trust you have your referents the correct way round, Nick.
    On past efforts, I would rather expect you to be falling in line with LDS.

    Note the ‘derangement’ in that term. The subject in the acronym is not the deranged one.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We need to start to put our lore and our culture as equal, ahead of the colonisers.”

    Good luck treating a heart attack with smoking gum leaves.

  201. Overburdened

    Sung to the dulcet sounds of a couple of sticks being banged together.

  202. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve written the new Australian National Anthem
    Niieeyearrrararaiiarreyeeyearrrarararaiiiiarrayou white cxnts

    Exquisitely written as performed.
    The phonemes are a little indistinct but the gist is clearly there.

    Very important now to get a taxpayer’s grant to develop it further. 😉

  203. Overburdened

    I’m surprised that the Prime Minister of Australia has direct operational control of emergency services.

    I’ve never seen one at a briefing.

    I suppose if one is a dickhead the intricacies of the situation are irrelevant.

  204. Mark A

    Some people here have the delusion of importance and grandeur.

    We are just bloggers here, some like us some don’t, who gives a dairy goats droppings about it?
    Scroll, and scroll more, no need to carry on like a pork chop.

  205. Tel

    Alani, a veteran AA employee who had lived in California and commuted to his job at Miami International Airport, now faces up to three years in prison under a joint recommendation by the U.S. Attorney’s Office and his defense lawyer. His sentencing is set for March 4.

    They should sentence him at Mach 4 instead.

  206. Arky

    I have always been curious about this.
    How does a pork chop carry on?

  207. Juan

    Do your own homework and prove me wrong………………

    This is how debating works: you make your case and then I respond.

    Doesn’t really work if you ask me to make your case for you.

    So, tell us — how is the current High Court “stacked”?

    I’ll help you out here. Who appointed a judge isn’t, in and of itself, evidence of judicial bias. If the court has been “stacked” there would be a steady stream of judgments you could draw on as evidence for the bias you’re alleging. I’ll give you some more help, here are all the High Court’s judgments. Surely you you can find proof of bias in that treasure trove?

    Unfortunately so far you have only pointed to one judge as supposedly suspect because she once worked at the Redfern Legal Centre, but not to any judgements she has appended her name to which you can show to be biased; and another who was appointed to the High Court by John Howard.

    Your scorecard is standing at none-for-7, struth!

  208. Bruce of Newcastle

    40 homes lost today and 3 firefighters burnt. 800 homes lost this bushfire season so far.

    Not good. But where are the bulldozers driving firebreaks? Where are the backburns outwards from threatened villages? Where are the owners clearing brush out to 100m? A parliamentary bill allowing emergency clearing would be a practical thing the Libs could do. Say when the fire danger is above a certain level.

    More and more this looks like the Federation Drought and the attendant bushfires and dust storms.

    Sparked by heat and desiccation, bushfires burned their way across
    large areas of the colonies, killing unknown thousands of pastoral animals
    and causing immense damage to public infrastructure and to private
    property including houses, farm buildings, crops and fences. In some
    places there was significant loss of human life. During the first two
    months of 1898 there seems seldom to have been a day when there was not
    a fire in the eastern colonies, especially Victoria. Much of Gippsland
    (eastern Victoria) was devastated, with the smoke so thick that daylight
    turned to dark, and offshore coastal shipping was forced to slow. Smoke
    from the Victorian fires even created a haze over Sydney.16 A number of
    bushfire images captured the drama, most notably a large canvas by artist
    John Longstaff who travelled to Warragul to help fight the Gippsland fires.

    And so we have another such event. That’s Australia.

  209. Naturally, as soon as she got the big chair in Vic she filled the joint with poof squads and Mardi Gras chairpeople.

    FIFY

  210. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That’s a lovely picture of you, Lizzie. You’re rather photogenic.
    Was that taken at your dance studio?

    Thank you, Gab. I used to be very photogenic, less so now.
    But at 77 one can’t complain too much. 🙂

    Yes, it was taken at one of the places where I do dancing. Rather an old-style hall, which I like.
    My friends made me sit down to show off the skirt – Country Road, unusual style for them and made with a very flocked material which falls in waves at the hemline to just above knee length. Rather like a tutu, tho’ different. It flares out when you pirouette, which is fun. A Christmas celebration of course.

  211. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    How does a pork chop carry on?

    With honey soy sauce?

  212. Porter

    Wasn’t there a back burn the other day Bruce which got away from the firefighters and even burnt some of their own homes?

  213. Juan

    So, to clarify, would anyone suggest the current High Court has been politically stacked?

    absolutely. the judiciary is infested with activist judges

    Details please.

    There are only seven High Court judges, please point me to the “activist judges” and just a couple of examples of their bias evident in the judgments they have handed down.

    I look forward to your response. Struth has left me a bit disappointed; hoping you can do better.

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sung to the dulcet sounds of a couple of sticks being banged together.

    Prancing in the dust, dressed in red nappies, while the colonialist audience looks on, and tries to keep a straight face…

  215. Gab

    “77”.

    No way. You’re pullin’ my leg, surely!

  216. Overburdened

    As if it is in a synagogue.

  217. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    would be a practical thing the Libs could do.

    I think I see the problem right there, Bruce.

  218. Overburdened

    They have the unscrupulous invaders to blame for the nappies.

    Otherwise it would be known as a calendar dance.

  219. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shame I didn’t pull down my t-shirt in that photo though; it is all bunched up from sitting down.
    The shot was taken just after a very heavy dance session, and the shirt was quite damp from it.

  220. Bruce of Newcastle

    It reminds me of the current meme where the deranged woman is screaming at the smiling white cat.

    I’d been wondering about that for a while. You’ve stirred me to do a search, which led me to this helpful explanation. 😀

  221. Porter

    77? You look lovely, Lizzie. I doubt that your detractors here could dance two steps without falling over and coughing up there nicotine filled lungs. Ignore them.

  222. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Otherwise it would be known as a calendar dance.

    I’ll play your silly game..

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s ‘bush medicine’, Zulu. Good for what ails ya.

    As an example, if you accidentally give a toddler third degree burns to the entire lower half of her body in a laundry tub supplied by whitey, and you don’t want the kiddie taken off you because you lose the benefits, you use bush medicine.

    In this case, wrap the kid in spinifex. And wonder why the poor bugger’s now living 2000km away, permanently disfigured and in need of 24 hour care.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    Trump calls out protester: ‘There’s a slob — she’ll get hell when she gets back home to Mom’

    Doesn’t the King Emperor know that slobs have feelings too. Fattism at its lowest.

  225. nappies – woven in textile factories in the Great Sandy Desert.

  226. Tel

    40 homes lost today and 3 firefighters burnt. 800 homes lost this bushfire season so far.

    The “Black Saturday” bushfires (a.k.a. the Haircut and Restaurant Dinner fires) saw 180 deaths and more than 2000 homes destroyed. All things considered, given how much fuel was on the ground in NSW over the years and how little maintenance was done I think they got out of it lightly.

    We have cleared out the national parks for the time being … let’s hope the NSW government can clear out a few numpties within their own ranks while we are at it. Question for next election, every candidate: “Back burning or no back burning?” Sorts em out.

  227. Overburdened

    I’ll play your silly game.

    No one is asking you to.

  228. Juan

    Mr Porter, there is a lot there in what you wrote and much of it was, shall we say, not entirely coherent. But there are two point which do warrant further discussion:

    The High Court apparatchiks would also be well aware that the reputations of three senior judges are at play.

    The High Court has had something of a habit of overturning Victorian Court of Criminal Appeal judgments in recent years. The reputations of the judges whose judgments are overturned are in no way a consideration.

    Victorian legals on the other hand are also well aware of some eyebrow-raising behaviour by at least one High Court judge and may not be happy about a full bench.

    I’m curious to know who is this judge and what was the “eyebrow-raising behaviour”? Please don’t go all coy on me now.

  229. 8th Dan

    40 homes lost today and 3 firefighters burnt. 800 homes lost this bushfire season so far.

    Not good. … where … Where … Where …

    Where is the Prime Minister?

  230. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Gab, darling, I thought you knew. I ‘came out’ this year, a while back, on the Cat. I explained that it was no longer necessary for me to obscure my age to protect my identity and thus Hairy’s identity, as he had been long enough retired for it not to matter. Until three years ago it did matter, quite a lot, and being doxed would have been a disaster, for reasons we have all discussed here that apply to many Cats. I hid behind a younger persona (not hard, because what you see is what you get with me, in persona and looks). All that I have said though about our life together is quite true, and also about my life in the past, including my long involvement with bringing up children (and grandchildren in loco parentis too). I had also just published “On Becoming Elizabeth” in Quadrant, which makes it fairly clear that I was reminiscing about a time long long ago in Sydney’s west; the 1950’s in fact. So I decided to tell Catallaxy what anyone who had met me, or emailed me, knew anyway. I am still the Lizzie you all know, just older.

    Areff would like me to write more about that past and many other experiences and get Arthur done pronto so I can do so. Keith is keen on my Arthur stuff though. Hairy is with areff; he knows my tale is not usual and perhaps needs telling. And so dear Gab I guess you would too, as you have always been a great encourager to me re writing, and also years ago a support in coming to terms with what being Hairy’s wife entailed re having the confidence to carry it off.

    Enough of that now or I will bring on an attack of LDS from the usual suspects.

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    I used to be very photogenic

    Selfies are in? Very well. If you look carefully at my gravatar you will see my very attractive right shoulder.

    (You may need to do a shift-F5 to override the Cat cache.)

  232. Juan

    Where is the Prime Minister?

    I’ve heard he’s in Hawaii.

    Hopefully he’s rented a hybrid to get around, like we did, so when he gets back he can say he did his part to address the challenge of climate change. 😂

  233. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No one is asking you to.

    Sorry, it’s an old joke.

  234. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am putting some ready-rubbed chicken pieces into the oven for a delicious dinner.

    Remember the days Gab when we used on the Cat to have poetry writing competitions re food?
    I was very proud of my Elizabeth-styled sonnet to my ragout.

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