Peacemaker Trump set to shut down America’s longest war

Via OldOzzie on the Open Forum: Taliban council agrees to cease-fire in Afghanistan.

Elsewhere: Afghanistan’s Taliban ruling council ready for ceasefire with US.

Veteran US journalist and blogger Don Surber two days ago: Ending the Afghanistan War may be next:

Having fixed the economy, won a trade war battle with Red China, appointed 1/4th of the appellate judges, rolled back regulations, and cut taxes, what is next for President Donald John Trump?

My guess is he will end the Afghanistan War next.

Good call.

This will enrage Endless War Democrats, bow-tie neo-cons, never-Trumper Republicans and Deep State GI Joes. So you can be confident it’s the right move. Much more to follow – including the customary unedifying spectacle of an Australian Liberal government coming up with its ‘own’ reasons for quitting a war.

This entry was posted in War and peace and tagged . Bookmark the permalink.

86 Responses to Peacemaker Trump set to shut down America’s longest war

  1. jupes

    Taliban council agrees to cease-fire in Afghanistan.

    Make no mistake. This is surrender by the US.

    That being said, if the US is not prepared to do what is required to win – and clearly they are not – then it is beyond stupid to have troops there. Trump should just bring them home without talking to the arsehole Taliban.

  2. Cui Bono

    Afghanistan needs divine intervention not us

  3. thefrollickingmole

    Witness the pivot to the “left” calling for America to fight Iran over the attacks on Saidi oil production facilities.
    Imagine the frustration if Trump becomes the first no wars president since Carter.
    If he pulls them out of Afghanistan he will shit in the next election.

  4. Even if Trump brought eternal peace to the Middle East, he’d still be reviled by the Left.

  5. Pyrmonter

    ‘Peacemaker Trump’ turns his back on yet more US allies, surrendering them, as he did the Syrian Kurds, to the tender mercies of sworn foes of the US and the virtues for which it has stood since 1941. A darker day than even the abandonment of Saigon and the rest of Indo-China at the behest of the left-liberal US Dems. What vale are the commitments of the US now? This is the US’s Suez.

  6. Frank

    if the US is not prepared to do what is required to win

    Afghanistan, graveyard of empires etc etc. One suspects it is not due to some innate military genius of the native inhabitants, more so due to some innate ungovernability. Easy to knock over, impossible to rule sort of thing. If so then the line above would suggest the requirements for a win might be more than most countries would be prepared to pay.

    Give it to China to sort out, there is lithium there so they have a pretext to get involved.

  7. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Hypothesis:

    currencylad:
    This will enrage Deep State GI Joes.

    Data:

    jupes #3275497:
    Make no mistake. This is surrender by the US.

    Result:
    Hypothesis confirmed!

  8. candy

    This could be actual Time Person of the Year stuff, Nobel peace award etc.

  9. Entropy

    Thing is, just why are the the troops still there?
    Go in,kick the shit out of them, go home.
    If they misbehave again, go in, kick the shit out of them, go home. Etc.

    They might even learn the lesson one day. If not, just wage war, do not try to go all Marshall Plan on the Middle East. It isn’t interested.

  10. ‘Peacemaker Trump’ turns his back on yet more US allies…

    So easy to condemn when one has no skin in the game.

  11. Tim Neilson

    It must be difficult to negotiate with hate-filled fanatics utterly committed to the destruction of the USA and all western civilisation.

    So it must be a relief to Trump to be able to spend some time dealing with the Taliban instead of the Democrats.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    Afghanistan was the most pointless war and occupation in human history.

    Trillions of dollars of treasure and countless best of breed young men’s lives wasted for nothing.

  13. Go in,kick the shit out of them, go home.

    You have to understand the region and populace. It’s much easier to say, rather than do. Ask The Russians.

  14. Tim Neilson
    #3275537, posted on December 30, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    Well said.

  15. lotocoti

    This is the US’s Suez.

    ?Que.
    Could you explain how Afghanistan is just like a shady deal cooked up by France and the UK to nick a nice little earner from Egypt by pretending to protect it from Israel?

  16. Infidel Tiger

    Trump should just bring them home without talking to the arsehole Taliban.

    You can’t exit Afghanistan without talking to the Taliban. It’s no worse than talking to the Democrats.

    Hopefully the exit dialogue mentions nuclear bombs.

  17. Not Uh oh

    Tim Neilson
    #3275537, posted on December 30, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    LOL

  18. Infidel Tiger

    ‘Peacemaker Trump’ turns his back on yet more US allies, surrendering them, as he did the Syrian Kurds, to the tender mercies of sworn foes of the US and the virtues for which it has stood since 1941. A darker day than even the abandonment of Saigon and the rest of Indo-China at the behest of the left-liberal US Dems. What vale are the commitments of the US now? This is the US’s Suez.

    You idiot. What utter and contemptible swill.

  19. Infidel Tiger

    You could occupy Afghanistan for a thousand years and not change it one bit.

    Anyone who supports the Afghan War should read a fucking history book.

  20. You could occupy Afghanistan for a thousand years and not change it one bit.

    Afghanistan is hardy a nation, it’s a land of squabbling tribes that have tried to kill each other for so long they can’t remember when it started. It’s a bit like the EU, only leaving will do anyone any good.

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Amazing how many small government types want the US Military to spend tens of trillions occupying a foreign land protecting boy fuckers. Very sick and disturbed people.

  22. candy

    You could occupy Afghanistan for a thousand years and not change it one bit.

    I think that’s pretty much the conclusion it’s all come to and widely recognised, in my opinion.
    The world has moved on from USA involving itself in useless and costly wars in terms of lives lost and money wasted.

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    Pyrmonter:

    ”Peacemaker Trump’ turns his back on yet more US allies, surrendering them, as he did the Syrian Kurds’

    Hi Delcon.

  24. FelixKruell

    The war in Afghanistan is over, just as much as the trade war is with China…

  25. jupes

    ‘Peacemaker Trump’ turns his back on yet more US allies,

    “Allies” in this case being the boy-fucking Afghans. Where’s the downside in “turning your back” on those deviants?

  26. jupes

    Hypothesis:

    currencylad:
    This will enrage Deep State GI Joes.

    Data:

    jupes #3275497:
    Make no mistake. This is surrender by the US.

    Result:
    Hypothesis confirmed!

    Not quite. Try harder.

  27. Tom

    Trump has brought me into the peace tent. I originally argued that a continued US presence was required to stop Shitholistan turning back into an open-range zoo for muesli terrorists.

    The Taliban thinks it can do what it likes when the US military leaves. They’d better get ready for a whole new concept of shock and awe if they try to turn the US withdrawal into international terror adventurism. The US military has replenished the will, firepower and budget it was forced to relinquish under the Obama surrender.

    The Diego Garcia forward base under Trump will be busier than Bourke Street, to use an Australianism.

  28. jupes

    Afghanistan was the most pointless war and occupation in human history.

    Half right. The war was righteous. The occupation was pointless.

  29. Frank

    It will be interesting to see what happens to the heroin trade once the US leaves. It was in full swing before the Taliban cracked down but they may see the benefit–dead honkies–of reinstating it, the religion seems flexible that way.

  30. Me thinks a few fvckwits commenting above mistake the Taliban with Al Qaeda.
    The Taliban is the sworn enemy of the US (and NATO) so long as they have soldiers on the ground.
    The Taliban wants to be left alone to live a 7th Century life.
    They made the mistake of harbouring Bin Laden and paid the price.
    Once the US and allies remove all their military personnel, the Taliban couldn’t care less about them.

    Al Qaeda is the sworn enemy of the US, but they’re are not the power they once were.
    A combination of inner bleeding to ISIS and relentless killings of its leaders by the US and allies has left them pretty much powerless.

    As far as staying or going, those advocating staying don’t seem to realise that there are endless supplies of Taliban from over the border in Pakistan. The Taliban’s real strength comes from Pakistan.
    If you stay, then you stay FOREVER.

    So long as the Afghanis don’t spread their filth beyond their borders, who gives a shit what these medieval arseholes living in shitholes do to each other?

  31. Jock

    In the incomparable words of Danny de Vito (when he was in character in a film) afghanistan is ” a third world toilet” . And it seems to prefer it that way. Graveyard of empires with the exception of Alexander , we need to leave the hole to its own devises and make sure nothing gets in or out. With that I include Pakistan and Iran. Why the Brits let in the Pakistanis I dont know. Way more trouble than they are worth.

  32. The BigBlueCat

    Tim Neilson
    #3275537, posted on December 30, 2019 at 3:37 pm
    It must be difficult to negotiate with hate-filled fanatics utterly committed to the destruction of the USA and all western civilisation.

    I thought you were talking about one of the resident trolls ….

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Me thinks a few fvckwits commenting above mistake the Taliban with Al Qaeda.
    The Taliban is the sworn enemy of the US (and NATO) so long as they have soldiers on the ground.
    The Taliban wants to be left alone to live a 7th Century life.
    They made the mistake of harbouring Bin Laden and paid the price.
    Once the US and allies remove all their military personnel, the Taliban couldn’t care less about them.

    True.

  34. mh

    As far as staying or going, those advocating staying don’t seem to realise that there are endless supplies of Taliban from over the border in Pakistan.

    Yes, the Taliban are the Pashtuns that wander over the border from Pakistan. Stone Age types.

  35. lotocoti

    there are endless supplies of Taliban from over the border in Pakistan.

    It’d be awful is some cataclysm of Biblical proportions befell Pakistan.
    *Gives India the side eye.*

  36. The war in Afghanistan: Old White Men killing Brown Men. Orange Man wants to end the killing. Old White Men object.

  37. thefrollickingmole

    Worst
    Nazi
    President
    EVER!

  38. Jonesy

    Not sure Afghanistan was always a third world shithole…images from the fifties and sixties show a totally different country.

  39. Colonel Crispin Berka

    jupes, I apologise for that misunderstanding. On 2nd reading it is obvious you were responding to one particular aspect of the event, not C.L.’s emphasis on the overall withdrawal. Indeed, Trump was in a very weak negotiation position having broadcast his objection to the occupation years ago and making total withdrawal – the most the Taliban could ask for – highly expected even by the USA’s side. Maybe the talks were still useful for underscoring what actions by the Taliban would cause the USA to revisit.

    But you are a Deep State G.I. Joe though, right? 😀

  40. calli

    I think this is what you’re referring to, Jonesy.

  41. Overburdened

    IMO the belief of the Government that America has an overwhelming superiority in the strategic assets to protect it is the driver.

    IMO if it is so, then America should withdraw from any place that has no value to it, boost up the contribution to places of value and leave the rest of them to their own devices.

    Not that it matters what I think.

    I think that it will take a bit of time to figure who is inside or outside the tent.

    Some cases are a lay down misere just to piss on the fire, roll up the swag and get out of there.

  42. W Hogg

    And just like that the Left loves the Afghanistan war.

  43. Overburdened

    IMO the belief of the Government that America has an overwhelming superiority in the strategic assets to protect it is the driver.

    IMO if it is so, then America should withdraw from any place that has no value to it, boost up the contribution to places of value and leave the rest of them to their own devices.

    Not that it matters what I think.

    I think that it will take a bit of time to figure who is inside or outside the tent.

    Some cases are a lay down misere just to piss on the fire, roll up the swag and get out of there.

    BTW RE Afghanistan, in the 60s and 70s it was the must do for a lot of people.

    Iran was a westernised and economically powerful and integrated Country before Ayatollah Khomeini triumphantly returned from Paris to fuck the whole show.

    I think I he saying is, that was then and this is now.

  44. jupes

    Maybe the talks were still useful for underscoring what actions by the Taliban would cause the USA to revisit.

    Yeah nah. He could do that better by tweet. Of course the “revisiting” should just involve bombs and such delivered from the air.

    Talks are just a way for the withdrawing side to save face before leaving. This has never worked and never will. The side who remains now knows that the leavers have no stomach for the fight and will therefore claim victory and do as they please. Trump should just up and go (with appropriate threats as mentioned above).

    But you are a Deep State G.I. Joe though, right? 😀

    I was wondering what the intitials DSGIJ meant on my security pass.

  45. Overburdened

    Dunno how that happened.

    Get the techies in.

  46. egg_

    Thing is, just why are the the troops still there?

    Didn’t Russia fail to secure the rubble heap after a decade?
    “Leave it to China” sounds justifiable.

  47. jupes

    Not sure Afghanistan was always a third world shithole…images from the fifties and sixties show a totally different country.

    More accurately a totally different city of Kabul.

    The rural areas were the same backward shitholes then as they are now, with or without the Taliban.

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Not sure Afghanistan was always a third world shithole…images from the fifties and sixties show a totally different country.

    That was Kabul, not Afghanistan.

  49. stackja

    Jimmy Carter told the Shah to be nice and leave Iran. What could possibly go wrong?

  50. Infidel Tiger

    Not backing The Shah was one of the greatest mistakes of all time.

  51. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    currencylad:
    This will enrage Deep State GI Joes.
    Data:
    jupes #3275497:
    Make no mistake. This is surrender by the US.
    Result:
    Hypothesis confirmed!

    jupes is the antithesis of a “deep state GI Joe”, Berk, you monumental imbecile.

    This inexcusable “peace without honour” backdown will remain “a triumph” until about 2 seconds after the next 9/11, which now isn’t that far off.

    ‘stan should have been rendered a carpark 30 minutes after this, as should have saudi arabia.

  52. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Not backing The Shah was one of the greatest mistakes of all time.

    Ayatollah ya so.

  53. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Grate. That’s possibly the last time I ever post without reading all the comments first.

    Possibly.

  54. I’m just a civilian.

    The war seemed pointless/lost when it became a drug interdiction mission, rules of engagement were wound back to not maximise firepower (particularly airpower) on the enemy and we started malicious prosecution of our own soldiers.

    Trump probably picked the last possible credible moment to leave.

    He has done well.

    Talks with the Taliban? No way. Just ignore them or kill them.

  55. Professor Fred Lenin

    If the Soviets couldnt bring the crapheap into line no democracy has a hope of doing it . The US and EU supplied the Taliban with weapons to defeat the Russian backed government then the bastards turned the weapons on the US and EU troops ,clever old CIA ?

  56. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The US and EU supplied the taliban with weapons to defeat the russian backed government

    As revealed in this legendary Schlockumentary

  57. jupes

    The US and EU supplied the taliban with weapons to defeat the russian backed government

    The Taliban weren’t formed until after the Russians had left and the Afghans decided to have a civil war. That war killed more Afghans than than the Soviet and current wars put together.

    With a bit of luck they will resume that one once Nato get out of there.

  58. John64

    East Gippsland ablaze, fire threatening Yarragrad’s outer north-east suburbs and now rolling blackouts as power generation can’t keep up with demand.

    Still no sign of Dear Leader Dickhead Dan to reassure the citizenry to be not afraid as he is at the helm of SS Victoriastan and all will be well.

    This cretin, of course, has much more operational responsibility for emergency responses and electricity supply than the Prime Minister will ever have; but will wear no opprobrium even though he too has chosen to take off with the missus and kids for a couple of weeks R&R while the State burns. Even worse he has left the monumentally incompetent Lisa Neville in charge.

  59. Tel

    I really hope that somehow Trump does something good with this, but I should point out that there are two main factions in Afghanistan: the Taliban and everyone else who just doesn’t want to be ruled by the Taliban. Unless the country is cleanly split and some kind of balance of power is organized then these guys will go hammer and tongs the moment the US is out the way. Although leaving US troops hanging around only delays the inevitable at this stage, the problem is that as soon as anything goes wrong we get the leftist press freakout and all Trump’s fault. You can be utterly sure that every sprained ankle in the pullout will get blamed on Trump and I suspect that when the Taliban make their move to take over Kabul, there’s gonna be a lot of bad blood in that. Could get ugly, quite ugly.

    Trump’s not going to end the Afghan War, but at best he will be yanking the American boys out of harms way.

    Also … only my personal opinion … but I don’t think that the Pentagon ever wanted to win this war. They wanted good career advancement that could provide plenty of coloured patches to stitch on their jacket and a good supply of industry contracts to consume tax money. Wedging themselves between two long term bitter enemy factions is a great reason to keep the war going, and going, and going. Trump is now facing a lot of hostile big brass who not only lose their playground, but face questions afterwards. It sure won’t be easy.

    It would take a Very Stable Genius to pull this one off. Don’t get your hopes up too much.

  60. Roger

    Much more to follow – including the customary unedifying spectacle of an Australian Liberal government coming up with its ‘own’ reasons for quitting a war.

    Taken by surprise, yet again.

    Just bring Joe Hockey home & make Greg Norman our unofficial go-between with the Trump administration.

  61. RobK

    Peacemaker Trump set to shut down America’s longest war
    North Korea. To his credit Trump is dealing with that too. He makes it look easy. God bless him.

  62. Infidel Taser:

    You can’t exit Afghanistan without talking to the Taliban. It’s no worse than talking to the Democrats.
    Hopefully the exit dialogue mentions nuclear bombs.

    Nukes are of no use. You need biowarfare, and let everyone know to seal their borders with Afghanistan first.
    You can’t seal the borders with Afghanistan?
    You have a problem then Pakistan. You are about to become a solution.

  63. Frank:

    It will be interesting to see what happens to the heroin trade once the US leaves. It was in full swing before the Taliban cracked down but they may see the benefit–dead honkies–of reinstating it, the religion seems flexible that way.

    China may not like the competition.
    China may just decide to test out some of its bio and chemical weapons.

  64. OldOzzie

    The Great Game Reinvigorated: Geopolitics, Afghanistan, and the importance of Pakistan

    Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island:
    Who rules the World-Island commands the World.

    —Halford J. Mackinder

    Geopolitical conditions in South and Central Asia have changed dramatically since the commencement of the Afghanistan War and the formation of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation in 2001. In 2019, great power politics are at the forefront of national security considerations. Russia is increasingly belligerent, and China has forcefully reasserted its role and influence in the global order. Linked to both these developments is Central Asia’s potential as an economic corridor of geostrategic importance underpinned by unprecedented Sino-Russian cooperation in Eurasia.

    Russia and China are posturing to take advantage of post-NATO Afghanistan by seeking to deny the United States enduring influence in South Asia and secure their regional interests. As American commitment to Afghanistan comes under further pressure, Russia and China continue to play the long game by supporting all sides in the Afghan conflict. Iran adds further complexity due to its evolving strategic partnership with Russia and its increasingly disquieting relationship with the United States. Like Russia and China, Iran is seeking to expand its regional clout and has increased support to the Taliban, providing further opportunity to respond to American sanctions by proxy.

    The return of great power geopolitics has transformed Afghanistan’s strategic circumstances, affecting both its future and the long-term interests of the United States. These conditions reinforce the enduring importance of Pakistan to America’s strategic flexibility, particularly in an era of renewed great power competition.
    The Heartland Construct and its Contemporary Implications for South Asia

  65. I will admit to being in favour of the invasion of Iraq, and the chance of democratising the place.
    It didn’t work. Perhaps I was naive to think it would, but the culture is one of failure.
    The culture must change but it is incapable of doing so – Churchill said it well when he called Muslimism:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Profit rule or live.
    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Moh*mm*dan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Isl^m has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslams may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Moh*mmedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

  66. HP

    No doubt the Taliban take their Al-Sīra seriously, so we are looking at a 10 yr (max) cease fire modeled on the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah of 628 BC. There will be no peace treaty because their great example Mohammed never signed one – so the Taliban won’t either. There can be no peace because there is no precedent in Islamic law of peace between muslims and infidels.

    Who cares?
    10 years is far more than Trump will need to get whatever he needs out of there, put all his people and assets out of harms way and be done with this medieval 3-ring circus.

    Want to call it defeat, go ahead. Meanwhile the facts on the ground will show: the planes will bring the boys home, the flag will fly, the band will be playing while families are re-united. Tax won’t be dumped into a bottomless pit, fighting over a stinking piece of wasteland they don’t want to want to own in the first place. Peace and prosperity will be Trump’s legacy. And it just became harder to run as a Dem Candidate for President in 2020.

    If that is defeat, what is victory? Kill until you own that stinking piece of wasteland? No, the right way to go it is to just turn it off, monitor the situation and if they act up again, just nuke’em from orbit.

  67. Scott Osmond

    It always amused me back in the early 2000s, those who beat the drum the loudist weren’t in uniform and didn’t have any family or friends on the line. The littlest chicken hawk Bennie for example was a prime culprit. Trillions of dollars later, all the maimed and killed and what do we have to show for it? Iraq and Afghanistan under sharia, the Saudis still the biggest funders of terrorism and last but almost the worst is that the west has to take in the members of the losing side. Invade the world, invite the world, become like the parts of the shithole world you invaded. Think about that next time someone goes all Allah snack bar on a Synagogue with a machete or drives through your local sidewalk intent on racking up a bodycount. What sins did we commit to have such traitorous politicians inflicted on us?

  68. Many years ago now the ABC interviewed a very old ‘digger’ from WWI, he was 101yrs at the time and lived in Tasmania. From memory I think it was the aftermath of 911 and inevitable response from the USA into Afghanistan, in any case his comments were about the middle east and what ever it was. They asked the old digger what he thought about it. He said, it was a bad thing but if they were going to go in and do it, then go in give them a bloody nose and and get out, don’t hang around, they are a strange lot and don’t like other people in their lands. He went on to say they will never achieve anything by lingering on, it will only bring them a lot grief. How right he was.

  69. Kneel

    There are only two solutions to the whole “middle east” thing:

    1) put a big fence around the whole lot, them tell them “You’ve been bad boys! Now you stay in there until you sort it out between yourselves! No-one and nothing is going in or out until you’re ready to play nice.” Then actually do it. Yeah it’ll be ugly, but it will be finished – one way or the other.

    2) the Hiroshima solution – turn the whole joint into a sheet of glass with a healthy green glow as an object lesson in what happens when you fuck with a country with nuclear weapons hanging out their arse…

    Go hard or go home.

  70. Yes such is the state of Victoria. Premier Dan likes to pick his media opportunities for maximum propaganda; so far of late it would appear he has not seen such an opportunity. We wait in anticipation.

  71. It was a total waste of time and effort and everything else going into Afghanistan, they knew that Bin Laden was hiding in the Tora bora caves in some mountain area, could of just put a big egg right into there and be done with it, and said if you want to play games this is how we play.

  72. Scott Osmond

    If you want to run with the big dogs you had better be ready to piss on tall lamp posts as my dad said back when this all started. A couple of brutal examples would settle things down. But the children think that war and human nature can be made more humane. So instead of a large bodycount we get a steady stream that has surpassed the afore mentioned example. Reprisals are a moral duty. Kill 3 thousand of our civilians and knock down several buildings? we’ll level one of your cities and kill hundreds of thousands. Now settle down or we’ll continue the exchange rate. Oh, and control the crazies or we will.

  73. old bloke

    China won’t like a NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan as the constant flow of new recruits from from the Pakistani madrases will start to flow into China’s Muslim western provinces instead of Afghanistan. This would be a headache for China.

    We can expect that China will get involved in Afghanistan to keep the civil war going, probably by reinvigorating the Northern Alliance (as they were called) to fight the Taliban.

  74. old bloke

    China won’t like a NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan as the constant flow of new recruits from from the Pakistani madrases will start to flow into China’s [email protected] western provinces instead of Afghanistan. This would be a headache for China.

    We can expect that China will get involved in Afghanistan to keep the civil war going, probably by reinvigorating the Northern Alliance (as they were called) to fight the Taliban.

  75. Scott Osmond

    Old bloke, yes and the Chinese just might settle the place down. They don’t care about western morality and have ways of dealing with 7th century thinking. The problem in Afghanistan isn’t the harsh land it’s the people who live there. Expect the same folks who decryed ISAF tactics remain silent as the deathsquads and concentration camps are set up.

  76. Iampeter

    Cowardly surrender and appeasement makes Trump a “peacemaker?”
    You must be one of those Neville Chamberlain supporters.

  77. Iampeter

    Amazing how many small government types want the US Military to spend tens of trillions occupying a foreign land protecting boy fuckers. Very sick and disturbed people.

    So true. They should just leave those respectable religious conservatives alone, right?

    The whole reason that Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia are still on the map decades after 9/11, for America to surrender to, is because conservatives in the West agree with their counterparts in the Middle East on more than they disagree.

    Can’t military crush people you aspire to copy can you?

  78. JC

    Plodes

    You’re even making less sense that usual. You have posted two comments – one after the other.
    In the first you accuse Trump of being a coward for getting out. In the second you blame conservatives of getting in. Clearly the new set of drugs aren’t working.

  79. Iampeter

    JC, I see you are as befuddled and confused as per usual, having no idea what’s being said, just resorting to projection as usual.

    Carry on, I guess…

    Oh, I should add re this:

    Amazing how many small government types want the US Military to spend tens of trillions occupying a foreign land protecting boy fuckers. Very sick and disturbed people.

    What’s even more amazing is how many clueless and confused leftists, who simply have no clue what they’re talking about, are posting on what is meant to be a leading “small government types” blog.

    Carry on, I guess…

  80. JC

    Plodes

    I’m always comprehend your silly, repetitive comments. I’m concerned the drug cocktail we prescribed for you isn’t working.

  81. Eyrie

    “China won’t like a NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan as the constant flow of new recruits from from the Pakistani madrases will start to flow into China’s Muslim western provinces instead of Afghanistan. This would be a headache for China.”

    Heh, heh. Good strategy.

  82. Eyrie

    “China won’t like a NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan as the constant flow of new recruits from from the Pakistani madrases will start to flow into China’s M u s l i m western provinces instead of Afghanistan. This would be a headache for China.”

    Heh, heh. Good strategy.

Comments are closed.