Open Forum: February 1, 2020

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  1. Geriatric Mayfly

    Miss Gobbo beginning to sound a bit wobbly. Nurse!!

  2. Leigh Lowe

    Gangster’s moll gets an attack of the vapours.

  3. cohenite

    BJ and Canavan would have revitalised the conservatives; they would have brought Bridgett back in and gone gangbusters. The nats are now the party of late term abortion, assisted suicide, ssm and other left wing issues. The SFF will destroy them.

    Molan should not have gone on q&a; he was set up by mann, the activist; Molan just did not have the information to deal with the bastard. I remembered the hockeystick controversy some time ago when it was revealed mann had mistakenly misinterpreted the tree rings and basically turned them upside down; he literally did not understand what the tree rings which are called varves do. When Tiljander, the guy who first got the tree rings together, did the study on the varves, they were interpreted as :-
    .
    Thin varve = warm temperatures
    Thick varve = cold temperatures
    .
    When Mann used the Tiljander data, he changed the scale so it became:-
    .
    Thin varves = cold temperatures
    Thick varves = warm temperatures

    This is equivalent to taking a thermometer and interpreting 100C = freezing and 0C = boiling. A nonsense interpretation of the physical properties of the data.

    He did this because, in modern times, the data was compromised by human activites which increased the amount of sediment in the lakes. This produced thick varves which, coincidentally, correlated well with temperature. Mann therefore seized on the correlation to make the assumption that thick varves must represent temperature. An assumption that he would have noticed was clearly incorrect if he had bothered to read the work done by Tiljander.

    After he had flipped the scale, he then flipped both the data and the scale so down became up. This didn’t correct the fact that the scale was wrong to begin with.

    What an idiot. Now if Molan had done some preparation he could have made mince-meat of the little bastard; but he didn’t and he didn’t.

  4. Geriatric Mayfly

    Back in the day, she’s been on the whacky baccy.

  5. Arky

    Sitting in the front row of the plane yesterday, watching pax hop on. One burly fellow with blue surgical mask climbs the stairs. I glance at the empty seat next to mine. No. Surely not.

    ..
    I don’t get it.
    Surely Calli, you are better off if the pasanger next to you is wearing a mask?
    The mask keeps the moist droplets in as well as out.

  6. Mitch M.

    Windows 10 KB4532695 causes BSOD error for some users

    It is a manual update that you must choose to install, it won’t install automatically. Don’t install it!

  7. Eyrie

    Were you in your NBC suit, calli?

  8. Arky

    The Nationals are just greens in Akubras.

  9. Geriatric Mayfly

    Miss Gobbo’s admission to he Bar is looking very dodgy. Her submission to the Supreme Court was not comprehensive.

  10. 1735099

    Wage theft – apparently an essential element of any 2020 business model in Australia.

  11. calli

    That was my thinking too, Arky.

    Until he produced a voucher for beer and snacks.

    Mask off. Gurgle, gurgle. Crunch, crunch. 🤬

  12. Infidel Tiger

    Twitter suspends Comfortably Smug for asking “Where’s Hunter?”

    Calls it targeted harassment.

  13. 1735099

    What an idiot.

    Sorry, old mate.
    The only one who came across as an idiot was Molan.
    The audience reaction said it all.
    It might have had something to do with him saying he doesn’t look at evidence.

  14. Arky

    Oh.
    What’s the point of the mask in public if you are going to take it off to eat?
    What a dickhead.
    You should have asked to be moved, on account of being sat next to a dickhead.

  15. JC

    Chinese regime is really really intrusive.

    Found in my accountant’s monthly news letter this morn.

    Additionally, SMSFs the ATO suspects may be acquiring lifestyle assets purely for the personal enjoyment of the fund’s trustee or beneficiaries are also likely to be looked at by the ATO.
    Insurers are required to provide the ATO with policy information where the value of assets is equal to or exceeds the following thresholds:
    ⚫ Marine vessels $100,000
    ⚫ Motor vehicles $65,000
    ⚫ Thoroughbred horses $65,000
    ⚫ Fine art $100,000 per item
    ⚫ Aircraft $150,000
    Editor: If you feel that you may be targeted by this latest ATO data collection activity and are concerned about the implications, please feel free to contact our office to discuss your individual circumstances.

  16. Arky

    Still, it could have been worse.
    You could have had to sit next to a vomiting ginger baby.
    Or a school principal.
    Or a PE teacher.

  17. calli

    on account of being sat next to a dickhead.

    Exit row too.

    At least The Beloved is good in an emergency. Mask Man would be knocked on the head and dragged off last.

  18. cohenite

    Twat troll, Molan is a typical conservative today: more concerned with being nice than kicking arse.

    mann is an activist, a phony, his research is junk and rather than gracefully concede errors as scientists should do the little bastard litigates, equally badly as it turns out.

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    From her very induction into the hallowed chambers of the law, Miss Gobbo is destined never to take silk.

  20. Arky

    Or a PE teacher married to a school principal, and they have a vomiting ginger baby and you in the middle.

  21. feelthebern

    Johns Hopkins says 19k cases in China.
    Ok, their government is downplaying it & say that number is 100k.
    Considering we are over 3 weeks into this, that says this has been contained in China.
    If we don’t see that number go parabolic in the next couple of days, things are on the up.

  22. calli

    Give me Ginger Baby any day.

    Toured South America for five weeks with “polymath” SP, and four weeks in Middle East with PE woman and satellite husband.

    The first was an expert on everything known to man and beast, and the second rinsed out clothing overnight to be worn again next day in order to “travel light”.

  23. Arky

    New cases in Hubei province, the epicentre of the outbreak, came to 2,345 for a total of 13,522
    Deaths in the province rose by 64 to 414, another record high

    ..
    That is how exponents work.
    If it keeps growing then we will soon be adding tens of thousands of cases.
    China’s fucked.
    Question is, are we just lagging them or mostly avoided it?

  24. EvilElvis

    Wage theft – apparently an essential element of any 2020 business model in Australia.

    From one who’s had plenty of experience thieving wages from the long suffering taxpayer.

  25. Doc BeauGan:

    The narrator had a most peculiar accent and an inability to pronounce some vowels. Filter came out as Phil Tor. I gave up on him because of that and much repetition. The pictures were pretty.

    It’s a speech defect – he can’t pronounce the letter ‘r’ and suggests the use of the closed captions. He does make a bit of a joke about it – calls it the Elmer Fudd dialect. After while you don’t notice it.

  26. Eyrie

    “Question is, are we just lagging them or mostly avoided it?”

    We are soooo fvcked. Got a boilerplate reply from my local Feral member’s electoral secretary about how Australia has a “flexible response to threats like the virus”.

  27. amortiser

    Gobbo can remember a lot more than the cops can.

  28. Roger

    China’s appeal for masks and suits suggests it’s not looking good.

    Reports of doctors running out of test kits too.

  29. DrBeauGan

    China’s appeal for masks and suits suggests it’s not looking good.

    As long as they let Amy, my cleaning lady, back into Australia. She’s supposed to fly tomorrow, and has been advised to stay home for two weeks after she gets here.

  30. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    We are soooo fvcked. Got a boilerplate reply from my local Feral member’s electoral secretary about how Australia has a “flexible response to threats like the virus”.

    very flexible: dear in headlights to run for your life

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Terrible news about Rush Limbaugh.

    A giant.

  32. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Coronavirus: Japan quarantines cruise ship that called at Hong Kong
    Several dozen quarantine officers are checking the health of all 2,500 passengers and 1,000 crew members, authorities said
    An 80-year-old man from Hong Kong was diagnosed with the virus after his return there on the cruise ship from Japan

  33. Infidel Tiger

    China’s appeal for masks and suits suggests it’s not looking good.

    Reports of doctors running out of test kits too.

    No no, they built a 1000 bed hospital in 9 days.

    Not possible run out masks.

    World number 1 economic. China century. Most best advanced country. More fermented bat?

  34. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    CCP tentacles are wverywhere
    Horse trading and arm twisting as US battles China over leadership of UN intellectual property agency
    Critics say candidate Wang Binying, now the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s deputy director general, would help spread Beijing’s ‘malign influence’
    A Wang victory would give China five top spots at specialised UN agencies – the US has four – and expand its ability to project its world view

  35. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    yes….what will help her (and her husband) is her faith, her family and her community. I know that suburb very well…..it is full of Lebanese Maronite Christians and they are wonderful, wonderful people.

    Cassie, it was from this community that came the group of Maronite Christian builders who sang hymns into the rafters of our place as they worked inside on rainy days on our bathrooms. We loved hearing them and their obvious honest faith was inspiring. I said so here at the time even though I received criticism for doing so from one or two here who would swoop on any reason at all to denigrate me. Apparently I was being patronizing or something for appreciating these people’s heartfelt song while they performed paid work in our home. Same recently for mentioning our Chinese cleaners, whose business actually does very well out of us.

    Don’t mind me; see ya at drinks on Friday. I am probably in the post-infective depressive phase of the cold I had two weeks ago. The common cold is a species of Corona virus after all.

    ps. bad news about Barnaby. Be interested to hear what someone you know well* thinks of it.

    * cryptic wink 🙂

  36. OldOzzie

    On average bushfires burn an amazing 50 million ha every year in Australia

    H/T Jo Nova

    From the other side of the world comes this extraordinary collection of data that few in Australia seem aware of.

    File this fact away: Satellite datasets show that in an average year 50 million hectares burns around Australia. In a quiet year, it’s only 20 million hectares, but in a busy year it gets close to 100 million hectares. A lot of this land area is in the far north and western part of the continent, which is hot and often arid. It’s not the same as the cool wet corner of South East Australia which has some of the tallest trees in the world. The fuel loads in the north are much lower (like the trees).

    Some parts of the top end burn nearly 100%, year after year. It’s no accident that the awful devastation this year was not in the red hot firezone on the map below, but in the South East corner where less than 5% of the area burns each year. The rarely burnt is the risky zone where there is a 20 year build up of fuel. Some areas are on a 1 in 100 year rotation or even slower. There were places this year that a whole century of fuel went up to help make that stratospheric pyroconvective fire and deliver some leaves and ash to New Zealand. (Lucky them).

  37. liliana

    China’s appeal for masks and suits suggests it’s not looking good.

    That’s a bit rich. Make themselves your selves. We need ours for when we start dropping like flies.

    Wait, maybe we can do a deal. We will give you a few masks and you give us back our water, farms, ports and electricity network. You can keep our politicians.

  38. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Question is, are we just lagging them or mostly avoided it?”

    first confirmed case jan 25, hasn’t been 2 weeks yet. given 60% of infections are asymptomatic or mild could be weeks before we know where this is going. this thing does start off very slowly, which is a crucial window to get on top of it.

  39. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Amy, my cleaning lady

    I noticed when I was teaching at uni that Chinese women of the diaspora do tend to have some rather archaic English personal names. I taught a few called things like Florence, Doris, Amy, Prudence, Maggie, and even one Myrtle.

  40. Porter

    I’d take ginger baby over Air New Zealand food poisoning.

  41. Roger

    Turkey selling Chinese made masks back to China.

  42. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The US has announced a second case of transmission of the new coronavirus within the United States

  43. Helen

    Chinese backpackers adopt English names when applying for jobs, they might be Amy on the advertisement or on the application and you find their real name is Chinese. Not a problem, probably do it to make it easy for us!

  44. Roger:

    China issues urgent plea to international community for masks and hazmat suits.

    The protective gear will go to the functionaries ahead of the docs and nurses – the photo of the Apparatchiks wearing H9 masks while the doctors have to settle for ineffective face masks proves the lie.

  45. Arky

    I have a Chinese name for use on Taiwan documents.
    Can’t remember what it is though.
    Definitely not Wang.

  46. OldOzzie

    Feel-good words, specious claims reflect lack of purpose

    Unlike Tony Abbott, the Morrison government is sounding like it’s not up for a fight.

    The economy may well be resilient, but we need ideas

    Adam Creighton

    Let nobody think the Coalition government lacks ambition, let alone a meaningful agenda. As treasurer, Scott Morrison laid it all out in mid-2018 in a speech, titled Building Economic and Social Resilience, to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.

    It took barely a year to achieve. After the Reserve Bank cut the cash rate to a then record low of 1 per cent in July last year to bolster flagging growth, Josh Frydenberg declared the economy “remarkably resilient”. Resilience never scored a mention in the 12 interviews the previous month. Since July, though, if there’s one thing you need to know about the economy it is how resilient it is.

    News in September last year that economic growth had tumbled to an anaemic 1.4 per cent was “a reminder of the remarkable resilience of the Australian economy”. The next quarter’s figures, which revealed zero growth in per-person terms, reflected the economy’s “remarkable resilience”.

    It’s not only the economy that has been immune to misfortune; the jobs market was “enormously resilient”, the Treasurer said in November. And if there remained any doubts in the lead-up to Christmas, they were snuffed out by the mid-year budget update, which “confirmed the resilience”, Frydenberg said. After all, “a strong budget is critical to the economic resilience of the Australian economy”, he’d pointed out in October.

    Whatever storm clouds the coronavirus and the bushfire clean-up present, fear not. “What I will say is that the economy has been very resilient,” Frydenberg told journalist David Speers, twice, on the ABC Insiders last Sunday.

    Having earned a high distinction for fostering economic resilience, what’s next for the Coalition? The Prime Minister unveiled the next reform chapter item last week in a speech titled An Even Stronger, More Resilient Australia.

    Is there no end to this government’s vaulting ambition? In a speech at the press club in Canberra that mentioned “resilient” or “resilience” 18 times, excluding the question-and-answer session, Morrison revealed the government was even “investing in the technology of resilience, the science of resilience”. It’s a good thing the US has thwarted Chinese forced technology transfer — couldn’t have them pinching our resilience technology.

    Tony Abbott, as he’s wont to do, made an insightful contribution at a book launch in Sydney last week. What’s the point of being in government, he said, without wanting to change something, without taking on a vested interest in the public good? You don’t want to fight with everyone all of the time, he went on, but you do want to be having a fight with a vested interest most, even all, of the time.

    This Coalition government has no fight worthy of the name. The repetition “resilience”, a feel-good vague noun probably teased out of a focus group in the middle of last year, reflects this lack of purpose.

    Its reflex is slogans, inquiries or royal commissions, which simply enrich the legal and consulting professions, rather than upsetting powerful vested interests.

    “Our response to the economic challenges our nation faces has been structural investment in Australian aspiration,” Morrison said in a speech to the Business Council of Australia in November last year that revealed a paucity of achievements and vision.

    Its two biggest economic claims to fame — “fixing our finances” and “tax reform” — are specious, to put it politely. The stock of federal government debt has more than doubled under the Coalition to $568bn. And so-called tax reform is nothing more than a part reversal of bracket creep in four years. Income tax as a share of gross domestic product will be higher in 2024, when the “tax cuts” are meant to kick in, than it was a decade earlier, as the Parliamentary Budget Office has pointed out repeatedly.

    And the future? The government’s main goal, Morrison said, was for Australia to become “a leading digital economy by 2030”, far enough in the future to avoid any accountability, even if it wasn’t a platitude.

    Other imminent changes included “paying small businesses that use e-invoicing, not (in) 20 days (but) five business days”. A “deregulation taskforce”, meanwhile, would “ease the regulatory burden” on food manufacturers and sole traders.

    “We want Australians to spend less time dealing with paperwork, in long lines at shopfronts or waiting on the phone,” Morrison said. Improved government websites and reduced paperwork are worthy goals, but the head of government should have bigger fish to fry.

    Since then, the biggest “reform” has been sacking a handful of senior public servants to reduce the number of departments from 18 to 14, something that won’t affect anyone outside the Canberra bubble.

    Meanwhile, the welfare system remains a dog’s breakfast of overlapping payments — which the government’s own McClure review made clear back in 2014. Industrial relations is a no-go zone more than 15 years after Work Choices. NSW and Victoria have become so frustrated with the lack of leadership they’ve launched processes to kick along tax reform themselves.

    Snowy 2.0 sounds exciting, but being an expensive battery that can barely provide power for a few days at most is hardly a solution to an energy price crisis.

    And the ordinary person continues to get fleeced by gouging utilities and that greatest of all rorts: compulsory superannuation. The government has even ruled out — two years out from the next election, mind you — changes to the retirement system, another mess, before its own review reports later this year.

    It’s not as if there isn’t need for economic reform. Unlike other rich countries, we’re dependent on immigration for economic growth, and resource exports to pay our way. Productivity and wage growth are stagnant. Our energy prices are crippling businesses. It takes longer to ride a train from Sydney to Wollongong than it did 30 years ago.

    The government has been in power effectively almost seven years. Having secured franking credits and banished Labor’s harebrained energy policies at the last election, it’s time to pick a fight over something that would improve the lives of millions, who care little whether the economy is resilient.

    Here’s a tip: give low-income earners the freedom to choose to have their super paid as wages. The unions and banks will hate it. That probably means it’s the right thing to do.

  47. Roger

    That wouldn’t surprise me at all, Winston.

  48. Mater

    I have a Chinese name for use on Taiwan documents.
    Can’t remember what it is though.
    Definitely not Wang.

    Wangis Wong?

  49. OldOzzie

    Trump and Bloomberg Super Bowl Ads Provoke Sharp Viewer Reactions

    The two men used their airtime on television’s biggest stage to address sensitive social issues

    Super Bowl commercials from President Trump and Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg provoked swift and strong reactions on social media, as the two used their airtime on television’s biggest stage to address sensitive social issues.

    One analytics firm, Synthesio, found that Mr. Trump’s ad touting his record on criminal justice garnered predominantly positive reactions on social media, with roughly twice as many positive mentions of the commercial as negative mentions during Sunday night’s game.

    Mr. Bloomberg’s ad, which tackled gun control, got a more negative response. For every positive mention that Synthesio detected about Mr. Bloomberg, it detected about three negative mentions.

    Synthesio’s analysis was based on 4,620 mentions of the political Super Bowl ads across the web as of 10 p.m. Sunday, including in social networks and news coverage. The firm says it has technology to ignore any social posts from bots.

  50. EvilElvis

    No no, they built a 1000 bed hospital in 9 days.

    Not possible run out masks.

    Couldn’t build a facemask factory in 9 days though. Epic industrial fail!

  51. EvilElvis

    I have a Chinese name for use on Taiwan documents.
    Can’t remember what it is though.
    Definitely not Wang.

    Wee Fuk Yung?

  52. DrBeauGan

    Actually, her name 陈 . I think.

  53. Cardimona

    Thanks for the inspiration up-thread, Cats; this is the letter I sent to several papers this morning…

    The Editor

    Remember the trouble ScoMo was in with lefties for “leaving Australia leaderless” while the states mismanaged their bushfire emergencies?

    Well, he didn’t leave us leaderless; Nationals leader Michael McCormack (a.k.a. The Missing Man) was acting Prime Minister, but nobody seemed to know that.

    In politics transparency is a good thing, but invisibility means nobody rates you high enough to care what you say.

    Now the ‘The Missing Man’ has been returned as Nationals leader, no doubt to keep a climate realist (Barnaby Joyce) far from decisions on water and power supplies.

    I expect McCormack to remain invisible while the Nationals’ slide into obscurity. Meanwhile, they’re still wasting the talents of the best MP they’ve ever had.

  54. feelthebern:

    If we don’t see that number go parabolic in the next couple of days, things are on the up.

    It looks that way.
    Except the WHO is in Chinese pay, and the Coronavirus Chart at John Hopkins is using WHO data.
    Which way are the crows flying?

  55. I have a new question for Australian Border staff to ask people seeking entry.
    Not raycyst.

    “Repeat after me.
    Around the rugged rocks the ragged rascal ran”

    Anyone who can’t say this without substituting ‘L’ for ‘R’ is refused entry to Ostraya.

  56. PoliticoNT

    Here’s an interesting one. I sent a comment into ABC Radio Darwin putting into the boot about something silly Bandt said this morning. I got a fair go, the text was read out. But, the compere added, that ‘for us at the ABC climate change is a fact. You need to understand that.’ Yeah, okay, so what, it’s the ABC. But to have a local compare declare without caution the ‘ABC’s‘ editorial position was still bizarre.

    I reckon we stop bitching about the ABC (and pretending it’ll ever be privatised) and publicly and loudly accept it’s permanent capture by the hard left. Let them be who they are. And let them know, also publicly and loudly that we’re going to stop complaining about them. We’ll even get BoltA on his Sky News show to show some compromise. No more complaints. No more exposes of their awfulness.

    And the very last point we’ll make? Your budget’s been cut to $150m a year. Immediately and permanently. So knock yourselves out. Oh, you have.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    As long as they let Amy, my cleaning lady, back into Australia. She’s supposed to fly tomorrow, and has been advised to stay home for two weeks after she gets here.

    What is it with Catallaxy Posters and Ethnic Help?
    Really disappointing to see you all contributing to undercutting Australian workers.
    Disgraceful Globalist Swine encouraging the spread of disease.
    You should all be ashamed.
    😁

  58. DrBeauGan

    I’m pletty sure that’s lacist, incohelent lambler.

  59. 8th Dan

    Rowe brilliant as always.

    – Fat Mo ©’s arse covered (for now*) by his mates report
    – McCormack and another Minister holding their own copies of the Sports Rorts Spreadsheet
    – Di Natale heading for the exit
    and
    – Bridget, the only female in the change room, heading out the door

    * It’s not over yet. The Gaetjens report avoided the well organized pork-barreling and targeted only Bridget, whom nobody likes anyway, for a conflict of interest.

  60. Zatara

    China’s appeal for masks and suits suggests it’s not looking good.

    Love to, but you used slave labor to undercut our mask making industry decades ago and it all moved to …. China.

  61. Arky

    What is it with Catallaxy Posters and Ethnic Help?

    ..
    Inability to clean up after themselves.

  62. calli

    Cardi, the Nats will always have The Doug Anthony Allstars.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Inability to clean up after themselves.

    Just imagine getting Corona Virus off your Ethnic Cleaning Team.

    You are all terrified now, aren’t you?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ja ja ha ja!!!!

    The wages of globalism is Corona!

  64. Porter

    On the money Cardimonia. I think I also said it will take 2 tilts. I think he will get there in the end.

  65. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The firm says it has technology to ignore any social posts from bots.

    botophobia!

  66. Arky

    The most disgusting thing that has occurred is the lie that factory work was “de-humanising” such that lazy pseudo aristocrats could use the labour thus created to clean their over- sized homes, baby sit their disorientated brats and give their hen pecked husbands hand jobs.
    A disgrace, and both cause and reason enough for our ultimate demise.

  67. calli

    I have a Pom doing the vacuuming, krauts washing clothes and dishes, an Italian making my coffee, opening the garage door and cooking, and a Yank and an Israeli keeping the pool clean.

    Excellent staff and they don’t talk back.

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    How many of you White Catallaxy Posters that rant about immigrants and Borders and population and culture and Australia have Ethnic Cleaning Teams?
    Can we have a show of hands please?
    Not looking good folks!
    Not a good look.
    😂

  69. Porter

    But, the compere added, that ‘for us at the ABC climate change is a fact. You need to understand that.’ 

    And you should have replied, well the ABC is very quick to reframe a criticism as a form of climate change denial. Everybody accepts climate change as a fact. We all learnt about ice ages in grade 3. The real question is what proportion, if any, is attributable to man’s activity. If you can’t understand a basic question then your answer will be always and everywhere wrong. Which is the definition of the ABC.

  70. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — UCSF Health has announced that it is treating two patients with previously reported cases of coronavirus.

    The two patients from San Benito County showed worsening symptoms late Sunday night and were transferred to San Francisco Monday morning.

    It was then determined that both patients needed to be admitted to a hospital equipped for a higher level of care,” said San Benito Co. Health Officer. Dr. Marty Fenstersheib.

  71. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have a Pom doing the vacuuming, krauts washing clothes and dishes, an Italian making my coffee, opening the garage door and cooking, and a Yank and an Israeli keeping the pool clean.

    Excellent staff and they don’t talk back.

    So what exactly do Australian Women do, Calli?
    😁

  72. DrBeauGan

    What is it with Catallaxy Posters and Ethnic Help?
    Really disappointing to see you all contributing to undercutting Australian workers.
    Disgraceful Globalist Swine encouraging the spread of disease.
    You should all be ashamed.

    I don’t give a damn about the ethnicity of anyone I hire to do anything for me. I want someone who is honest, trustworthy and hardworking. And at $35 an hour, Amy isn’t undercutting anyone.

  73. Slim Cognito

    So how white is the Greens new leadership team?
    Do as we say, not as we do.

  74. mh

    I have a Chinese name for use on Taiwan documents.
    Can’t remember what it is though.
    Definitely not Wang.

    Skan Kee-Ho?

  75. stackja

    DrBeauGan
    #3312586, posted on February 4, 2020 at 11:56 am
    Actually, her name 陈 . I think.

    Related to 5-0 Chen?

  76. calli

    Annoy people on blogs, Stimpson.

    And supervise The Machines.

    A shame there is no motorised bathroom cleaning machine yet. Or floor mopper. Or garden weeder.

  77. Arky

    $35 an hour

    ..
    Say three cleaning jobs per day.
    Travel time of half an hour for each, two hours per job, six days per week.
    7.5 hours x 6 = 45 hour week.
    $35 x 45 = $1575
    Which is $100 below the weekly average wage.

  78. OldOzzie

    Scientists Accidentally Discover Immune Cells That Can Kill Most Cancers

    They reportedly discovered a new type of T-cell that carries a receptor that latches onto human cancers but ignores healthy cells.

    In fact, the receptor is said to be capable of killing several cancers, including lung, skin, blood, colon, breast, bone, prostate, ovarian, kidney and cervical cancer.

    Nature Immunology

    Article
    Published: 20 January 2020

    Genome-wide CRISPR–Cas9 screening reveals ubiquitous T cell cancer targeting via the monomorphic MHC class I-related protein MR1

    Abstract

    Human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-independent, T cell–mediated targeting of cancer cells would allow immune destruction of malignancies in all individuals. Here, we use genome-wide CRISPR–Cas9 screening to establish that a T cell receptor (TCR) recognized and killed most human cancer types via the monomorphic MHC class I-related protein, MR1, while remaining inert to noncancerous cells. Unlike mucosal-associated invariant T cells, recognition of target cells by the TCR was independent of bacterial loading. Furthermore, concentration-dependent addition of vitamin B-related metabolite ligands of MR1 reduced TCR recognition of cancer cells, suggesting that recognition occurred via sensing of the cancer metabolome. An MR1-restricted T cell clone mediated in vivo regression of leukemia and conferred enhanced survival of NSG mice. TCR transfer to T cells of patients enabled killing of autologous and nonautologous melanoma. These findings offer opportunities for HLA-independent, pan-cancer, pan-population immunotherapies.

  79. DrBeauGan

    And I haven’t complained about immigration per se. I’ve got it in for some classes of immigrants who want to live in ghettos or, worse, replace our culture with their own inferior one.

  80. Mother Lode

    Adam Bandt has been voted unopposed as leader of the Greens

    Somehow, that is how I expected it to be.

    Next we get to see who is the first one to stop applauding.

  81. 2dogs

    Is the absence of Coronavirus figures from central Asia and Africa due to isolation, or do they have cases which are simply not being recorded?

    Are we about to have a very serious and uncontrolled problem in these places?

  82. hzhousewife

    Everybody accepts climate change as a fact. We all learnt about ice ages in grade 3. The real question is what proportion, if any, is attributable to man’s activity.

    It’s slightly more complicated than that.

    Yes, we all agree on climate change, it happens.

    At the moment, everyone is afeared of heating up uncontrollably. (?evidence?)

    Some think this is because of increasing carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere. (? evidence of causation?)

    So the rush is on to control the amount of CO2, thinking this will control the amount of hotness.(?evidence?)

    An awful lot of people cannot understand graphs or basic science, but wish to make deep changes to our way of life regardless.

    Discussion of the above results in folk putting their fingers in their ears and shouting “lalalalalala”, because “everybody knows the planet is cooking”.

    A few more years of data showing no heating and a little cooling might just get their interest, but I doubt it.

  83. Arky

    Unless she doesn’t charge for travel time between jobs in which case it is 45 hours of work per week for 36 hours of pay,
    Which would be:
    36 x $35 = $1260 per week or $400 below average weekly wage.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    I don’t give a damn about the ethnicity of anyone I hire to do anything for me. I want someone who is honest, trustworthy and hardworking. And at $35 an hour, Amy isn’t undercutting anyone.

    I can tell you for a fact she is.
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
    It’s amazing how quickly principles disappear when money is involved.
    How many Australian cleaning teams are there in Australia again?
    Ha ha ha ja ja!

  85. Tom

    McCormack is a dead man walking.

    Cat fact check: true.

    If Bananaby follows the early 1990s Keating leadership challenge/destabilisation model, he’ll be Nats leader by year’s end.

  86. Arky

    36 x $35 = $1260 per week or $400 below average weekly wage.

    ..
    And of course, the same arseholes who are getting their houses cleaned and cocks tugged by people who should be in actual productive work are the ones who own every one else’s homes.
    The average rent for an apartment in Melbourne is $1,125,
    So there you go.
    Leaving Beaugan’s cleaner a whole $35 a week to live on.
    Good one.

  87. DrBeauGan

    Say three cleaning jobs per day.
    Travel time of half an hour for each, two hours per job, six days per week.
    7.5 hours x 6 = 45 hour week.
    $35 x 45 = $1575
    Which is $100 below the weekly average wage.

    I’ll pay you $26 an hour Arky, but you’ll have to be as good as Amy.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    Annoy people on blogs, Stimpson.
    And supervise The Machines.
    A shame there is no motorised bathroom cleaning machine yet. Or floor mopper. Or garden weeder.

    OK Gardening counts.
    Accepted.

  89. Arky

    Sorry.
    Monthly.
    Beaugan’s cleaner keeps $978.75 per week.

  90. Porter

    Arky

    #3312620, posted on February 4, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    What nonsense Arky. I’m glad you are out of the classroom.

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    Dr BeauGan describe Amy’s arse, please.

    I feel like I’m sensing a trend with you and Ethnic Women.
    😁

  92. I noticed when I was teaching at uni that Chinese women of the diaspora do tend to have some rather archaic English personal names. I taught a few called things like Florence, Doris, Amy, Prudence, Maggie, and even one Myrtle.

    I’ve known a Regina, Evelyn, Beatrice & Adeline.
    Not sure which is cuter, the choice of names, or that they change them at will.

  93. DrBeauGan

    It’s amazing how quickly principles disappear when money is involved.

    What principle is this? I have to hire lazy, dishonest Australian slobs because they’re Aussies like me? They’re not a bit like me. I’ve done it in the past and I’ve got a sight more in common with Amy.

  94. Herodotus

    Albo working his way through the list:
    Heroic and indispensable ABC.
    Some other heroes.
    The bereaved.
    Tipping point where we cannot any more use Dorothea Mackellar’s poem.

  95. Arky

    Tax calculations on Beaugan’s cleaner:
    Tax= $16,897
    = $325
    $978.75 – $325 = $653
    So after she spends a week cleaning up after Beaugan, paying him $300 to live in a hovel, she has like 600 bucks to live off.
    Cat food for tea again boys!

  96. PoliticoNT

    Porter – yep. Pointless though. Like trying to deal with a small child standing next a bowl it’s defecated in expecting all those watching (or in my case listening) to be impressed.

    Cut their funding by 85% and let them do with the toy what they will.

  97. DrBeauGan

    Dr BeauGan describe Amy’s arse, please.

    I feel like I’m sensing a trend with you and Ethnic Women.

    Ordinary. I’ve only seen her in baggy pants so can’t elaborate. Sometimes she mends holes in my pockets dug by car keys. Arky would have to do the same for his $36 an hour.

  98. Arky

    What nonsense Arky. I’m glad you are out of the classroom.

    ..
    If I made a mistake, post a correction, not abuse, you turkey.

  99. Stimpson J. Cat

    I note everyone has refused to answer The Catallaxy Ethnic Cleaning Team Question.

    Very telling indeed!
    (*Out of respect for Arky, I am prepared to include Kiwis as Australians in this survey.
    Just this once, however.)
    😂

  100. mh

    Amy will be running that as a business.

    Not sure where Arky’s calculations are coming from with this one.

  101. Stimpson J. Cat

    Porter where is your cleaner from?
    😂

  102. PoliticoNT

    Porter – nice words though. I have filed for future use. Probably tomorrow. Cheers

  103. Arky

    , I am prepared to include Kiwis as Australians in this survey.

    ..
    Nah, I clean up after myself.

  104. Arky

    Not sure where Arky’s calculations are coming from with this one.

    ..
    I’m doing it on the fly.
    Point out a mistake if I made one.

  105. DrBeauGan

    Say three cleaning jobs per day.
    Travel time of half an hour for each, two hours per job, six days per week.
    7.5 hours x 6 = 45 hour week.
    $35 x 45 = $1575
    Which is $100 below the weekly average wage.

    So the average annual wage is over $ 80,000 a year? You surprise me.

  106. Arky

    Alright.
    I’ll collect extra info to improve my model.
    Beaugan. How long does this bird spend scrubbing your home per visit, and what is her travel time?

  107. It’s amazing how quickly principles disappear when money is involved.

    What principle is this? I have to hire lazy, dishonest Australian slobs because they’re Aussies like me? They’re not a bit like me. I’ve done it in the past and I’ve got a sight more in common with Amy.

    Hire Australians you bastard!
    You’re hiring ethnics coz you can underpay & exploit them, have them living in fear.
    You bastard.
    (I get this all the time, there’s only Five caucasians on the payroll – a decade high – they’re pretty much invisible in the teeming mass of ethnicities who work here. Oh boy is there some incoming hate at times.)

  108. feelthebern

    an Israeli keeping the pool clean.

    A great cover for Mossad.

  109. DrBeauGan

    And you think cleaning, not a highly skilled job, should get more than the average wage?

  110. Arky

    What is the length of visit and are you paying travel time?

  111. cohenite

    Cardimona
    #3312587, posted on February 4, 2020 at 11:59 am

    Spot on. Do you know the margin that kept the invisible man in power. BJ and Canavan would have saved the nats; now they are irrelevant.

  112. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hire Australians you bastard!

    You’re a W®g Sal, I expect you to hire Ethnics.
    I’m talking about White Australians.
    😁

  113. Stimpson J. Cat

    And you think cleaning, not a highly skilled job, should get more than the average wage?

    She must have a really bad arse, Gentlepeople.

  114. mh

    BG, what business structure is Amy using?

    And confirm you are not paying her travel costs on top. Thanks.

  115. Arky

    OK.’
    No reply from Beaugan on length of time or travel time.
    So I had to do some research.
    The standard visit for these things is yes 2 hours, so my initial gues was correct.
    Here is the lowest price from a company:

    Weekly or Fortnightly
    Book an ongoing weekly or fortnightly clean and never worry about the general chores again!

    $73 for 2 hours
    $26/hour thereafter
    ..
    https://www.absolutedomestics.com.au/

  116. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    will you guys leave doc alone, cleaners are a dime a dozen, most are lacking any education or qualifications and are happy to get some money

  117. Mother Lode

    an Israeli keeping the pool clean.

    A great cover for Mossad.

    Well, have you found any Palis in the pool?

  118. Arky

    Jim’s cleaning service quotes $99 for a “quick clean”.
    No doubt this is their loss leader to get you signed up.
    Can’t imagine a “quick clean” is more than 2 hours.

  119. Arky

    $73 for 2 hours
    $26/hour thereafter
    73 – (2 x 26) = $21 travel time / expenses.

  120. mh

    Women walk out of hairdressers 200 bucks lighter because they are paying for being fussed over.

    I’m sure a female house cleaner is supplying something else that the customer wants. Like chit chat, a smile, company, … ass.

  121. I make good money as a cleaner*

    * In the Harvey Keitel sense of the word.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Biden is getting thumped in Iowa.

    The impeachment trial destroyed him!

  123. You’re a W®g Sal, I expect you to hire Ethnics.
    I’m talking about White Australians.

    Huh? I don’t hire [email protected]
    Memories of the Black Hand are strong around here.
    I got blue eyes anyway, it’s not like I look like those Sicilian, Calabrian, Roman, Florentine & other southern monkeys.

  124. mh

    I expect $200 is understating.

  125. Mother Lode

    Zippy, I begin to worry that you might become a casualty of this novel coronavirus.

    You are going to burn out.

  126. …cleaners are a dime a dozen….

    Buuuuuuuuuullzhit.

  127. Stimpson J. Cat

    Looks like Catallaxy has transitioned from Ethnic Cleansing Teams to Ethnic Cleaning Teams!
    😂

  128. DrBeauGan

    I’ll collect extra info to improve my model.
    Beaugan. How long does this bird spend scrubbing your home per visit, and what is her travel time?

    Two hours and I don’t know.

    You’re going to have to improve your model rather a lot. But I’ll pay you $36 an hour if you can do as good a job as Amy.

  129. Stimpson J. Cat

    Dr BeauGan will you make Amy clean your house in a surgical mask or is that being racist?
    😂

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our Chinese cleaners attend as I’ve said on an ‘on request’ basis, whenever we feel a good clean is needed. As this is only an apartment, albeit largish, ‘house size’ and whole floor, with external areas, we feel quite capable of maintaining it ourselves in an everyday sense (I hate cleaning for the cleaners). Our upper-efficient cleaning team are fronted by a Chinese lady, let’s call her Doris (her invoices have a Chinese flavor), who quote on a ‘whole clean’ basis not per hour. They usually take about an hour to get through, variable numbers working, very fast and very efficient, and charge $200 per clean. She’s the lynchpin, familial matriarch who looks gorgeous in her little workaday pinafore, full of bustle and goes OK Miz Lizzie to any suggestion (call me Lizzie, I said from the start). If an Australian team had been in the local paper when we looked for a cleaner, we might have chosen them if they quoted well and were competent in a trial run; but they weren’t there.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘super efficient’ not ‘upper efficient’

  132. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    if they are virus free, they certainly wont’ be once they go through the system

    more forcible detentions

  133. Stimpson J. Cat

    If an Australian team had been in the local paper when we looked for a cleaner, we might have chosen them if they quoted well and were competent in a trial run; but they weren’t there.

    OK Miss Lizzie.
    😂

  134. Arky

    Two hours and I don’t know.

    ..
    You’re a smart guy.
    Make an estimate of her travel time per day if she wants to complete three jobs in order to get paid for six hours of work at your very average $35 an hour.

  135. Arky

    Dr BeauGan will you make Amy clean your house in a surgical mask or is that being racist?
    😂

    ..
    A surgical mask AND lingerie if we know Doc Beaugan.

  136. DrBeauGan

    BG, what business structure is Amy using?

    And confirm you are not paying her travel costs on top. Thanks.

    I’m not paying for her travel time directly, but I imagine it’s factored in to her hourly rate. Her business structure is that she cleans and tidies up and I pay her money for it. Quite traditional in both China and Europe and indeed Australia before socialism improved things.

  137. Mother Lode

    My local cafe, which made such lovely coffee, has closed. The barrista was from South Korean, but really knew her coffee.

    She will be very much missed.

  138. DrBeauGan

    Dr BeauGan will you make Amy clean your house in a surgical mask or is that being racist?
    😂

    ..
    A surgical mask AND lingerie if we know Doc Beaugan.

    She can wear a mask if she likes, but I shan’t insist. Her husband would object to the lingerie. Anyway, she hasn’t the figure for it.

  139. Arky

    she cleans and tidies up and I pay her money for it.

    ..
    Why can’t you clean up your own mess?
    Are you a cripple?

  140. Stimpson J. Cat

    will you guys leave doc alone, cleaners are a dime a dozen, most are lacking any education or qualifications and are happy to get some money

    Shouldn’t we be giving these jobs to unfortunate Australians then Zippy?
    Or not?
    Aren’t there any unfortunate Australians?
    How much is it worth to support unfortunate Australians?

    So many questions!

  141. DrBeauGan

    Why can’t you clean up your own mess?
    Are you a cripple?

    Yes. Mentally handicapped.

  142. Boambee John

    Say three cleaning jobs per day.
    Travel time of half an hour for each, two hours per job, six days per week.
    7.5 hours x 6 = 45 hour week.
    $35 x 45 = $1575
    Which is $100 below the weekly average wage.

    Try the median wage, half above, half below. It might be a better comparator than the average wage.

  143. mh

    Is she invoicing you, BG?

    Oh no. Is this strictly cash only?

  144. Arky

    You’re just a lazy, manky shit.

  145. Arky

    And a bit judgmental.
    Meh.

  146. DrBeauGan

    Shouldn’t we be giving these jobs to unfortunate Australians then Zippy?
    Or not?

    We should be giving jobs to those who can do them adequately for the least cost, stimpy. It’s called capitalism. I can see why neither you nor numbers likes it. You’d both prefer laws that preference incompetents.

  147. mh

    Should we continue this on new thread?

    Or leave BG alone with his cleaning lady.

  148. mh

    IT on new thread has told us to leave it on the old thread.

    Those who say aye…

  149. Helen

    Arky, were you ever a math teacher?

    What makes you think Amy pays tax? She is way ahead of the average wage earner.

  150. Arky

    Helen
    #3312726, posted on February 4, 2020 at 1:38 pm
    Arky, were you ever a math teacher?

    ..
    Point out the mistake.

  151. Tailgunner

    Travel time of half an hour for each, two hours per job, six days per week.
    Cash in hand,xunt,allwaays fkn cash in hand,mate…
    H/t Nolezy

  152. Tailgunner

    Helen,
    Thank you for the response to my modern dating post.
    I appreciate the thought you put into it 😘
    It’s just too hard being a tame pyrate for too long…
    Aaaaaarrrrrr

  153. Tailgunner

    Why can’t you clean up your own mess?
    Are you a cripple?

    That’s a bloody good question from a Ford guy.

  154. H B Bear

    Someone should put in a FOI request to find out how much the ALPBC is paying Snowcone while he waits to move to China With the missus.

    Nice work if you can get it.

  155. Speedbox

    (chuckle chuckle, maniacal laughter) The last word!! I win, I win.

  156. H B Bear

    Perhaps the Lieborals might like to ask Ita in Senate Estimates.

  157. areff

    In regard to finding cleaners, trying calling the local parish priest/rabbi/parson/witchdoctor (the last one for Bruce Pascoe) and asking if they know anyone reliable who could use some extra cash — single mums etc.

    Have acquired three cleaners via that route and they’ve all been reliable, honest and brimming with christian charity from grubs — this grub, anyway — who can’t quite manage to wash dishes or clean out the fridge.

    Current cleaner is a bloke who had to give up fulltime work to look after two crook parents. He doesn’t quite fit into the maid’s uniform, but he makes up for that by being a dab hand at installing air conditioners and fixing dishwashers.

  158. Speedbox

    Still having the last word. (maniacal laughter)

  159. MatrixTransform

    Marine vessels $100,000

    the SMSF can hold a marine vessel ?

    ….why wasn’t I informed of this before ??

  160. MatrixTransform

    China’s fucked.
    Question is, are we just lagging them or mostly avoided it?

    you cancel those flights, Arky?

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