Tuesday Forum: February 4, 2020

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2,563 Responses to Tuesday Forum: February 4, 2020

  1. MatrixTransform

    Where do you put thousands of drug addicted nutters as a highly contagious and lethal virus rips through them?

    St Kilda Thursday Night Market

    The best part was the distinct lack of bras,
    the worst part was being dragged for dinner to a vegan restaurant

    Red beans and rice … scared to fart this morning

  2. MatrixTransform

    Poor numbers talks about wealth creation, but he doesn’t believe in it.

    Trotsky’s ice pick didn’t manufacture itself you know

  3. 132andBush

    What grade did the socialist get from economics?
    Top Marx

  4. Cassie of Sydney

    “MatrixTransform
    #3315453, posted on February 7, 2020 at 6:35 am
    Told ya’s the Tard was a lying Commie”

    And he’s a racist and Holocaust denier.

  5. Mater

    What grade did the socialist get from economics?

    More to the point, what sort of economics did he teach to his students?
    Apparently he was there to teach them to be financially independent. Apparently.

  6. Mater

    Told ya’s the Tard was a lying Commie

    Nah, just “progressive” Catholicism in the 1950’s. Apparently.

  7. calli

    Reagan was in many of his finest moments playing the part of an American movie president, and Trump in many of his finest moments is playing the part of an American TV president. And as such, last night may have been the best performance of his career.

    Oooor…it could be that they’re just being themselves.

    Why is it assumed that the personas they project aren’t really their own?

  8. calli

    Thanks, Mater. I remembered the original discussion, though in 2013 I was too shy to take part in it – Pauly crunched the numbers in relation to his own industry. Real life, productive employers. So many valuable commenters, now absent.

  9. Mater

    Poor numbers talks about wealth creation, but he doesn’t believe in it.

    No, no, no, people. None of you know what productivity is. Bob is here to instruct (and find ‘facts, and dispel ‘myths’).

    1735099
    #1032299, posted on October 11, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Problem is, you have no idea of “value”.
    I reckon (at a conservative estimate) during my teaching lifetime, I’ve helped move at least say 300 kids from dependence to independence. The figure is probably a lot higher, given that I’ve taught about 3000 kids with disabilities since 1971.
    But let’s be really really conservative and stick with 10%.
    Each of these, if they live a normal lifespan, saves the economy* society $800000AUD in disability pensions.
    Again, that’s very conservative estimate, and takes no account of the tax paid by these individuals during their working lives.
    Do the maths – 300 x $800,000 = $240,000,000.
    This situation is true for any teacher involved in this sector, but all teachers add value to the lives of the children they teach.
    You don’t have any idea of what productivity means.
    And of course, this takes no account of the dignity restored to these people, or the improvement in the quality of lives of their carers.
    To take a liberty with Maggie Thatcher – there is no such thing as the economy.

  10. Mater

    So many valuable commenters, now absent.

    Indeed.

  11. Australia’s top 40 tax dodgers.

    By the way, it’s amusing to note that I don’t even have to post, and get top billing here anyway. As observed previously, I own you.

    And I thank Mater for reminding me of a particularly productive, rewarding, and enjoyable part of my career,
    even if he has absolutely no idea about special education.
    Most of the kids I taught over the 40 plus years I was in the business had severe and multiple impairments.
    Politics was a non-issue for them and their parents.
    I recall a Cootharinga board member tell me in 1986 when he opposed the development of a school offsite from the institution that these children were”unreceptive to education”
    So I felt great satisfaction in founding a school in 1987 which catered for them and which still operates.
    That was the best answer I could give him.
    That school has outlived that individual and his anachronistic views on education.

    The board came around about five years later and I was invited to become a member.

    I remained on the board until I came south in 1996.

    I believe it’s called schadenfreude.

  12. pete m

    But numbers, you didn’t build that.

  13. Cassie of Sydney

    “pete m
    #3315473, posted on February 7, 2020 at 7:33 am
    But numbers, you didn’t build that.”

    The Toowoomba Turd has never built anything in his cretinous life…he has spent his life leeching on the taxpayer.

  14. Mater

    And I thank Mater for reminding me of a particularly productive, rewarding, and enjoyable part of my career,

    You don’t have to thank me, Bob. Reminding people what you are, is both a duty and a distinct pleasure.
    It’s a fortunate man who enjoys his work.
    Regularly kicking the shit out of your little acolyte, is an added bonus.

  15. Spider

    The Guardian, of course, on Trump’s aquittal runs true to form. All the worlds media is in agreement.

    hollow pretence

  16. It’s a fortunate man who enjoys his work.

    Sure is.
    I was blessed in that sense.
    I enjoyed every minute of my decades in special education.
    The contrast between the satisfaction and productivity of that period of my life, and the wasted and futile experience of two years in the army is mind blowing.
    No wonder so many ex-soldiers commit suicide.

  17. From the Guardian piece –

    “Parliament as the supervisor of the president? No, they argue, the Democrats were just trying to overthrow the rightful ruler. The judiciary, an independent pillar of the state? No, not if it decides against Trump. The press, a factual corrective for political propaganda? No, whoever criticises the man in the White House is an enemy of the people. Intelligence agencies, advisers, the whole government apparatus is justified only as long as it supports the truths of power.”

    Interesting aspect of this is the use of Trump’s own words.
    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

  18. Nob

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    Trump is a deregulator.
    As far *from* a totalitarian state as the USA has been since WW2.

  19. Old School Conservative

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    Yep.
    About a million light years close.
    Logic is not its forte.

  20. Gab

    Heh heh heh no impeachment.
    Trump still President.
    Happy days 😆😊⭐️🍾

  21. Cassie of Sydney

    “Old School Conservative
    #3315487, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:03 am
    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the U”S has ever been.

    Yep.
    About a million light years close.
    Logic is not its forte.

    Nor is truth.

  22. stackja

    Western Samoa and American Samoa are side by side islands in the Pacific. When the Spanish Flu arrived in 1918, one would instigate a quarantine while the other had a trading community that did not want to stop trade. American Samoa survived the Spanish Flu without a death. Western Samoa kept trading and lost a quarter of the population.

    Jo Nova

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    And here I thought it was the Bernie staffers who said they wanted gulags.
    Lefties and projection, always.

  24. stackja

    Urban Utilities
    @UrbanUtilities

    We’re repairing a burst sewer main on the Centenary Highway, Jindalee. All northbound lanes from Ipswich Road are closed until further notice. Motorists are advised to seek alternate routes if possible. We apologise for the inconvenience.

  25. Mater

    No wonder so many ex-soldiers commit suicide.

    In my experience, much of it occurs when they get out and discover the people they were risking their lives for, have your political views and totalitarian tendencies.
    Complete disillusionment with Australian society.

  26. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    The Grauniad should trot out a list of tyrants and despots, particularly the Commie ones, who have stood by and watched their own impeachment.

  27. Candy

    That top minister of SNP should resign. Sending hundreds of txts to a young boy trying to groom him. Ok so he has come out as gay in his 40s but why chase schoolboys. He said it was “foolish”. Good grief he has sons only slightly younger than the boy he was trying to get.

  28. duncanm

    Positively Flannering on the East Coast at the moment.

  29. Nor is truth.

    Hey, Miss/Mr encopresis – I’m still waiting for you to find my post denying the Holocaust.

  30. Eyrie

    Mater
    #3315498, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:18 am

    No wonder so many ex-soldiers commit suicide.

    “In my experience, much of it occurs when they get out and discover the people they were risking their lives for, have your political views and totalitarian tendencies.
    Complete disillusionment with Australian society.”

    Before signing up to fight for a polity, check that it is inhabited by people worth fighting for.

  31. MatrixTransform

    I’m still waiting for you to find my post denying the Holocaust.

    and the ledger still shows TheTard in credit for those 288 blackfellas

  32. Before signing up to fight for a polity, check that it is inhabited by people worth fighting for.

    That’s good advice for those given a choice.
    Care to explain how it applied to those who weren’t?

  33. Candy

    Apparently it is not grooming a young boy with 300 odd text messages from a gay man in his 40s but “pestering” .
    I wonder how many boys he has pestered but SNP leader has hushed it up.

  34. MatrixTransform

    fucking hell, the ‘V” word again … what a retard

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #3315504, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:24 am
    Nor is truth.

    Hey, Miss/Mr encopresis – I’m still waiting for you to find my post denying the Holocaust.”

    You know the post Holocaust denier….aka Toowoomba Turd….aka liar.

    The Holocaust denier enjoys dancing on the grave of dead Jooos.

  36. Arky

    The country that has shut down major cities and is converting stadiums to hospitals tell everyone else not to over react:
    ..


  37. Crossie

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    Some totalitarian, he can’t even dismiss from government jobs the people who keep conspiring against him.

  38. Cassie of Sydney

    “encopresis”

    Big word from Zi/Zir/it/liar/Holocaust denier.

  39. dover_beach

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    This lie was doing the rounds on Twitter a few days ago. Roosevelt interning Japanese Americans in WW2 and Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War has conveniently been placed in the forgetery.

  40. OldOzzie

    1735099
    #3315508, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:30 am
    Before signing up to fight for a polity, check that it is inhabited by people worth fighting for.

    That’s good advice for those given a choice.
    Care to explain how it applied to those who weren’t?

    Numbers you were Too Stupid to Avoid Conscription

    Not really.
    I was a year out. It was 1967, but makes no difference to the process.

    So you don’t even remember when you were Born – Brilliant!

    Your birthday date was I turned 20 on June 5th 1967, so was required to register in the first registration period in 1967, which was at the beginning of my second year at KPTC.

    Birthdates drawn in the fifth National Service ballot: 10 March 1967

    So you had over 2 years to join a CMF Regiment – From Texas to Toowoomba is 186.7 Km a bit over 2 hours for a once a week Appearance at the CMF Regiment in Toowoomba. Mate, I used to drive a Clapped out FJ Holden early 60s in outback NSW over 150 miles for 3 hours on lousy dirt roads for a game of social tennis , then drive back for 3 hours after midnight – You are the Ultimate Wimp!

    You then say

    a) At my time of registration I was at teachers’ college with absolutely no idea of where I was going to be posted on graduation, although because my home address was Texas (Qld) and I was a new grad, the odds were it would rural or remote.

    So I assume you were in Teachers College in Brisbane and able to join Queensland University Regiment – and believe me, Public Service Departments went out of their way to accommodate CMF Reservists and time off, and allowed you time off to attend Camps with no pay loss.

    So you were TOO Dumb to take the opportunity to earn some money and avoid Conscription!

    Shit for Brains

    Would you like this Vietnam?

    I do not like it, Bob-I-Am.
    I do not like this Vietnam.

    KD – excellent – describes “Shit for Brains” Perfectly

    Rinse, Repeat, Rinse

    Numbers, you need to get serious Mental Health Assistance

    Vietnam….conscription…Vietnam…conscription….Vietnam…conscription.

    Too Dumb to work out how to Avoid Conscription

    Australia ended its operation in Vietnam in 1973

    Vietnam lives in your Brain it is the only thing in your life.

    You either need to move to Vietnam or get Serious Mental Health Assistance, because you are consumed by

    Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam,

  41. OldOzzie

    Apologies to other Cats for the Numbers post, but he really is a Total Mental Dickhead and adds nothing to Sinclair’s Blog

  42. Mother Lode

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    I suppose this comes down to perspective.

    Because of Trump progressives are being forced, against their will, to get jobs and earn their keep.

    They are being forced to arrange for their own health, instead of being subsidised by others. And to make it worse, they must pay from their own income rather than get the subsidy from a family of four where one or two incomes are split four ways.

    They are being compelled to liven a world where other opinions are not only permitted, but in many spaces prevalent.

    Where men, traumatised at some point and creating female personalities as a refuge, are not having entire swathes of legislation re-written to accommodate their delusions, even being required to go to the Men’s room instead of following little girls and asking them to help with their tampons. What kind of a sick pervert would deny them that right?

    For a progressive these are dark brutish days indeed.

  43. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    In which case, Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Romney et al should, by now, be hacking out a road across northern Alaska.

  44. The Beer Whisperer

    Interesting aspect of this is the use of Trump’s own words.
    The Trump administration is about as close to a totalitarian state as the US has ever been.

    Numbnuts, I’ve worked a great deal in the public service, and it’s the world’s largest echo chamber. Every narrative is repeated ad nauseum by every parrot in every office, because all divergences are swiftly met with mass attempts at shame. You’re either a herd animal or a pariah. Most are just too scared to enjoy the freedom of pariahhood.

    It’s the 1300s again, only the religion has changed.

  45. mh

    I’m seeing evidence of a poo blogger visit.

    The poo patrol is now cleaning up 💩💩 🚿 💦

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    In which case, Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Romney et al should, by now, be hacking out a road across northern Alaska.

    For the Russians?
    Trump sold Alaska to them, but hasn’t told anyone yet.
    Or something.

    Schiff: Trump Will Sell Alaska To Russia If We Don’t Impeach Him (3 Feb)

    The desperation from lefties, including Numbers, is amusing.

  47. Arky

    Alaska is a state.
    How the hell could Trump sell it?

  48. stackja

    Remarks by President Trump to the Nation
    Issued on: February 6, 2020

    And it never really stopped. We’ve been going through this now for over three years. It was evil. It was corrupt. It was dirty cops. It was leakers and liars. And this should never, ever happen to another President ever. I don’t know that other Presidents would have been able to take it. Some people said, no, they wouldn’t have. But I can tell you, at a minimum, you have to focus on this because it can get away very quickly. No matter who you have with you, it can get away very quickly. It was a disgrace.

    Had I not fired James Comey — who was a disaster, by the way — it’s possible I wouldn’t even be standing here right now. We caught him in the act. Dirty cops. Bad people. If this happened to President Obama, a lot of people would have been in jail for a long time already. Many, many years.

  49. Mater

    No wonder so many ex-soldiers commit suicide.

    From an article on it.

    Many veterans who’ve felt adrift report that the root of their troubles is not trauma but a hypercritical view of the society to which they’ve returned…
    At a café in Sydney’s CBD I break bread with former soldier Lloyd (not his real name), now thriving in the corporate world. Like Goodman, Melbourne-raised Lloyd enlisted straight out of school and showed up at Kapooka green and keen.
    “Essentially, what the military does is break you down,” he says…
    “At the same time the army instils absolute discipline. The values of the institution – teamwork, self-sacrifice, moral courage – are drummed into you.”
    Which is all well and good. Until your warrior days are over and you have to become a regular guy again.
    Lloyd crashed landed in a Melbourne university. “I found myself surrounded by people – anarchists, political activists, gay people – who seemed to be openly challenging the values I’d lived by,” he says.
    Disorientation gripped him. Was everything he’d absorbed while in the army still relevant?
    “Was I relevant?”

    For 18 months civilian life felt too alien to bear, and Lloyd made two halfhearted attempts to re-enlist. Only with the support of friends did he eventually resolve to stick it out as a civilian.

  50. OldOzzie

    From the Botox Drunk herself

    Nancy “That’s Inappropriate” Pelosi Just Flipped off SOTU Guests and Accused Trump of Being on Drugs

    After President Trump was acquitted in the Senate and after he called Nancy Pelosi out on her “I pray for you” remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast, it’s not surprising that Madam Speaker was a little salty during her weekly press conference.

    While using the word “inappropriate” far more times than would be…appropriate, Pelosi inappropriately disparaged the President and cheapened the experiences of the State of the Union guests.

    What happened instead was the President using the Congress of the United States as a backdrop for a reality show, presenting a State of Mind that had no contact with reality whatsoever.

    After attempting to rebut Trump’s “appalling” effort to “take credit” for the economy during the State of the Union, claiming that Trump inherited an economy with “momentum” from Obama, Pelosi again ripped into Trump’s speech, using the standby dog-whistle term “dangerous” as one descriptor.

    It was, in my view, a manifesto of mistruths, falsehoods, blatantly — really dangerous to the well-being of the American people if they believed what he said.

    It was a serious breach to start shouting four more years on the floor of the house. Totally inappropriate.

    First of all, the whole State of the Union was beneath the dignity of the White House, an insult to the Congress of the United States and the American people.

    Then she blasted Trump’s comments from the Prayer Breakfast directed at her and Sen. Romney, praising Romney’s “courage” and asserting that Trump knows “little” about faith and prayer.

    I don’t know what the president understands about prayer or people who do pray, but we do pray for the United States of America…I do pray for him…because it’s a heavy responsibility. And I pray hard for him because he’s so off the track of our Constitution, our values, our country, our children… he really needs our prayers.

    He can say whatever he wants, but I do pray for him. And I do so sincerely and without anguish. You know, I — gently, just the way I pray for everybody else.

  51. Mother Lode

    “encopresis”

    Big word from Zi/Zir/it/liar/Holocaust denier.

    He doesn’t a very diverse, rich or far reaching vocabulary – which makes you wonder how he came upon this word.

    Three possibilities come to mind:

    1) His doctor recently diagnosed him with ‘maturity onset encopresis’

    2) He wanted to look up the word ‘zygomatic’, so as is his usual (and only) practice he opened the dictionary at ‘A’ and started reading through all the words until he found it – and while doing ‘encpresis’ leapt out at him and struck him deep inside, a place where he felt an instant familiarity and connection- like people do their own names.

    3) Someone said it to him and he thought it sounded clever, and after asking them to explain it was convinced it was.

  52. Leigh Lowe

    Candy

    #3315500, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:19 am

    That top minister of SNP should resign. Sending hundreds of txts to a young boy trying to groom him. 

    Mackay has resigned, but Scottish Police are ducking it, saying they only have social media reports, so can’t investigate.
    If there were “social media reports” that someone might have called a dusky person something on a bus, they’d be all over it.
    But a foggat grooming young boys?
    Nup.

  53. Tailgunner

    Ben Shapiro

    @benshapiro
    Romney is a Senator elected by the people of his state; his independent judgment is as legitimate as that of anyone else. Even though Trump’s Ukraine behavior was thoroughly bad and stupid, Romney is wrong about impeachment. But that’s about it. He is not a traitor or a buffoon.

    Stimpys People!

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    Alaska is a state.
    How the hell could Trump sell it?

    You’ll have to ask Mr Schiff that question Arky.

  55. Geriatric Mayfly

    If there were “social media reports” that someone might have called a dusky person something on a bus, they’d be all over it.

    Code Blue all police leave cancelled. “A dusky Mooslim person…”

  56. mh

    The Chinese Century

    China grows isolated as airlines cancel more than 50,000 flights amid coronavirus epidemic

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-china-becomes-increasingly-isolated-as-airlines-pull-out.html

  57. Arky

    China grows isolated as airlines cancel more than 50,000 flights amid coronavirus epidemic

    ..
    Yet airports and airline shares are up. And the Shanghai exchange.
    Something is very very very screwy here.
    I don’t know what it is.

  58. mh

    Didn’t the BOM say this was going to be the driest summer EVAH?

  59. Arky

    I fear that markets are being manipulated by Chinese, liberal billionaire or someone.
    And if they can keep it up in the face of a global pandemic, they can bring it crashing down before an election.
    Am I right? Fuck nose.

  60. OldOzzie

    Wuhan Ordered To Round Up Infected Residents For Mass Quarantine Camps

    Summary:

    , Senior CCP official orders Wuhan to round up infected residents for mass quarantine camps
    , Beijing completes second coronavirus hospital in Wuhan
    . Wuhan hospital confirms that doctor who was one of first to warn about virus died on Thursday
    . Economists warn China faces difficult dilemma in deciding when workers should return to work
    . Total cases eclipses 28,000 as death toll climbs to 568
    . Taiwan halts visas for citizens of Macau and Hong Kong
    , Germany confirms 13th case
    , 2 suspected cases found in South Africa
    . Dubai reports 3rd death outside China

    Update (1440ET): Dubai just reported that a woman from the Philippines has died in the UAE. In response, the UAE has suspended flights to China except to Beijing. The Manila Times reported the death, citing the Philippines’ labor secretary.

    The virus’s global death toll has climbed to 568.

  61. Mother Lode

    What was stupid or bad about Trumps dealings with Ukraine?

    Or do people have to qualify their opinions by saying that so people don’t engage that point and ignore the point they are really trying to make.

    If Shapiro had said that even if Romney thought the Presidents dealings were bad or stupid he would be wrong about impeachment, then he would be challenged as to why he didn’t himself say Trump was bad/stupid, and discussion would never get to Romney’s failure.

    To get to the living room you have to get passed the front door.

    Still it creates a false impression of an established fact, and sustains a falsehood.

  62. OldOzzie

    These are REAL American Stories.

    This isn’t a reality show..

    That act was more important to Pelosi than preserving the tradition of her office. In doing so, she forfeited the right to occupy that office. If Pelosi cannot maintain the dignity and neutrality of her office at the State of the Union, she should resign as the speaker of the House of Representatives.

  63. mh

    The Chinese Century

    Coronavirus: Whistle-blower Dr Li Wenliang confirmed dead of the disease at 34, after hours of chaotic messaging from hospital

    * Li was one of the first doctors who tried to share information about the coronavirus only to be reprimanded by Wuhan police

    * Wuhan Central Hospital initially denied reports he was dead, saying he was in “critical condition”, before finally confirming he had died

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049411/coronavirus-li-wenliang-doctor-who-alerted-authorities-outbreak

  64. Roger

    Didn’t the BOM say this was going to be the driest summer EVAH?

    The rainfall predictions were certainly pessimistic as I recall.

  65. Cassie of Sydney

    “If there were “social media reports” that someone might have called a dusky person something on a bus, they’d be all over it.”

    Or if there were social media reports about men claiming to be women, they’d be all over it…in a heartbeat.

  66. OldOzzie

    Trump Wins Again

    Trump broke Pelosi. Or maybe she just broke herself.

    Trying to dislodge a president whose approval ratings have been stuck well below 50 percent for virtually his entire presidency, in an atmosphere of economic effervescence, Democrats would be smart to signal voters that they won’t bring about major policy shifts but will restore decorous behavior.

    Instead, they’re doing the opposite.

  67. mh

    Mother Lode
    #3315563, posted on February 7, 2020 at 9:30 am

    Tailgunner is trolling.
    Shapiro is a dill.
    Today is Friday.

  68. John64

    Alaska is a state. How the hell could Trump sell it?

    The Yanks purchased Alaska from the Ruskies in 1867 for a cool $7.2 million.

  69. Arky

    Alaska is the 49th state.

  70. Arky

    It isn’t a territory.
    It’s a state.

  71. OldOzzie

    WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Trump Just Became Reagan…and Nancy Pelosi Became a Joke

    It’s unfair. Now Trump is just showing off. I almost feel sorry for Democrats. Almost.

    Before I get to President Trump’s brilliant, masterful State of the Union performance, let me take a moment to thank Nancy Pelosi. She gets the Academy Award for “Best Supporting Actress.” She not only sealed the election for Trump, she just lost the House for Democrats.

    So, thank you Nancy Pelosi for the single most selfish, ignorant, petty, childish act in U.S. political history. That image of you ripping up the State of the Union speech by the President of the United States will live in infamy. You just showed the whole country who Democrats really are. It’s so clear to everyone now…

    Democrats hate Trump more than they love America.

    What’s that famous saying? “If a picture paints a thousand words, then a video paints a thousand pictures.” Pelosi’s hate video will be the defining image of the 2020 election.

  72. 8th Dan

    Danoz Direct – Dumb and Dumber

    Just for you, I repeat

    1735099
    #1032097, posted on October 11, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Profits are made via charging more than it costs to manufacture products or services.
    Consumers are overcharged; employees are underpaid.
    Profits are the essence of unfair transactions.
    Riches cannot be made fairly.
    Wealth is created via unfair exchanges.

    The post does not exist.

    And, here’s some help with the “interwebs thingy”

    1. Click on that last link.
    2. You have now arrived at the Open Forum on 11 October 2013.
    3. Observe 2 comments, both by Infidel Tiger – #1032095 and #1032098
    4. Observe that there is no comment #1032097.
    5. Conclude that “The comment does not exist”.

    Here endeth the lesson Danoz.

    Next time you’re moved to wet your pants, don’t do it … just mind your own beeswax.

  73. rickw

    “In my experience, much of it occurs when they get out and discover the people they were risking their lives for, have your political views and totalitarian tendencies.
    Complete disillusionment with Australian society.”

    No one in their right mind would risk their life for Australian society, it’s completely shit.

  74. mh

    This is from Feb 1, but worth highlighting

    Coronavirus: NZ man in China says people fighting for food, reselling used masks

    People are fighting over food, picking used face masks from bins to resell them, inflating prices of everyday products and even spitting on each other.

    This is how a New Zealand man living in China has described his reality, saying the China we see on the internet is far from the truth…

    The New Zealand man lives in northeast China with his wife and two children and says they are barely getting by.

    “It’s getting worse by the day … everything has fallen apart here,” the man, who asked for anonymity out of fear of his family’s safety, said.

    In some places, masks are reportedly few and far between and might not be clean.

    Once available to be bought for as little as 10 cents, the New Zealand man toldf the Herald people had been selling masks for as much as $50.

    “I see old ladies walking around picking face masks out of the trash and then they sell them on the street the next day laughing about it,” he said.

    “When China says they’ve got enough and they’re handing them out, they’re not, I can tell you that now – there’s none available anywhere.”

    To make them appear new, the women would iron them after plucking the masks from the bin, the man said.

    As a foreigner, he said he had always experienced discrimination while living in China but amid the coronavirus scare, matters had become worse.

    It’s thought foreigners did not deserve the right to fresh food and now the man won’t even attempt to go shopping at a supermarket, he said.

    Getting fresh produce was a challenge for everyone at the moment, he said, and fights were often breaking out over things like eggs and vegetables.

    To make matters worse, people were claiming to be infected and threatening to spit on others so they too will contract coronavirus, he claimed.

    Meanwhile, despite the grim reality of life in China at the moment, there was little the man could do about changing his family’s situation.

    A consultant, the man said all his business for the year had dried up and his wife’s business was not making any money either.

    “No one is paying their bills, no one is paying you. My wife’s [business] is losing money every day,” he said.

    “It’ll run us broke to the point where if I come back to New Zealand with my kids I’ll be homeless.

    “We have no choice, it’s either stay here or be homeless in New Zealand.”…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12305122

  75. Tailgunner

    Tailgunner is trolling.

    Am not.
    😃😃

  76. Mother Lode

    Hi mh,

    I was actually thinking about it as a broader phenomenon.

    A lot of columns positive about Trump will nevertheless speak of the chaos in the White House. Or how he is ‘divisive’ when it is really the left, who have never gotten over the fact he won fair and square. To quell that divisiveness would mean to surrender to the left. It doesn’t bring left and right together. There was as much division under Obama – it is just that the right are vastly better behaved.

  77. rickw

    Alaska is a state. How the hell could Trump sell it?

    The Yanks purchased Alaska from the Ruskies in 1867 for a cool $7.2 million.

    Best deal ever!

  78. Good morning all.
    Did anyone see President Trump’s address following the State Of The Union and acquittal? I will have to give it another go because I drifted off to sleep. He is a true statesman despite what his detractors say.
    And is it just me or does Nancy Pelosi resemble Gollum? What an odious woman.

  79. Confused Old Misfit

    Trump’s Ukraine behavior was thoroughly bad and stupid

    What was “bad” about his behavior?
    If Shapiro had not considered Trump’s behavior bad would it have then not been stupid or would it have been stupid in any case?
    Is there a case for “not bad” and “not stupid”?
    What was stupid?

  80. rickw

    Meanwhile, despite the grim reality of life in China at the moment, there was little the man could do about changing his family’s situation.

    Two weeks supermarket inventory between civilisation and chaos!

  81. MatrixTransform

    Conclude that “The comment does not exist”

    Fact check: retard

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We saw this coming for years’: Farmers take legal action after fires
    Alexandra Smith
    By Alexandra Smith
    February 6, 2020 — 11.53pm

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    Six farmers are preparing to take legal action against the state government, arguing a massive bushfire in northern NSW could have been prevented if more hazard reduction had been allowed.

    In what could be the first class action after this summer’s horror bushfire season, graziers hit by the August blaze in the Guy Fawkes National Park, west of Coffs Harbour, say it was “a disaster waiting to happen”.

    Beef farmer Tony Brazier, who lives just outside Guyra, said fuel loads in the park had been allowed to reach dangerous levels because “everyone is too scared to burn anything”.

    “I could see that the trouble was building for a number of years, it was just too dangerous and so this was always going to happen,” Mr Brazier, who runs about 600 head of Angus beef cattle, said.

    Mr Brazier said since cattle had been prohibited from grazing in national parks, the fire threat had increased significantly resulting in a firestorm that tore through the park.

    “But the big problem is that there was just no burning, everyone is too scared to burn anything because they think they will end up in jail,” he said.

    The Bees Nest fire started on August 30 and turned into the first mega fire of the season, eventually burning all the way to Coffs Harbour.

    “We have to have more say in the future management of the park, we need manageable fire breaks and there needs to be more talk with local landholders,” Mr Brazier said.

    He said his business would take years to recover, after losing kilometres of fencing as well as land that was critical for grazing.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  83. Roger

    People are fighting over food, picking used face masks from bins to resell them, inflating prices of everyday products and even spitting on each other.

    This is how a New Zealand man living in China has described his reality, saying the China we see on the internet is far from the truth…

    Without a civil society there is no glue to hold a people together in a time of crisis when government and business are failing.

    Western societies are not without their deficits in this regard but Chinese Communism has deliberately suppressed civil society. Now they’re going to pay a price for doing so. The political fallout could be huge.

  84. Mater

    5. Conclude that “The comment does not exist”

    And you’d conclude wrong. Again.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/10/10/the-cartoon-says-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1032097

    I understand your position, Dr Dan. Given your dedication to the ‘Great Man’, the stupidity of the comment and it’s complete detachment from reality, one would think (and hope) that it was a parody post. Sadly…

  85. Roger

    “We have to have more say in the future management of the park, we need manageable fire breaks and there needs to be more talk with local landholders,” Mr Brazier said.

    Make the bureaucrats subservient to local stakeholders.

  86. John64

    “Pelosi For Prison” Banner Spotted In The Skies of San Fran

    Lock Her Up!
    Lock Her Up!
    Lock Her Up!

    I’ve missed that chant.

  87. stackja

    Remarks by President Trump to the Nation
    Issued on: February 6, 2020

    So I’ve always said they’re lousy politicians, but they do two things: They are vicious and mean. Vicious. These people are vicious. Adam Schiff is a vicious, horrible person. Nancy Pelosi is a horrible person. And she wanted to impeach a long time ago. When she said, “I pray for the President. I pray for the…” — she doesn’t pray. She may pray, but she prays for the opposite. (Laughter.) But I doubt she prays at all.

    But we’re going to go, we’re going to do a job, and we’re going to win a lot of seats. We’re going to win a lot of seats. People are very angry that Nancy Pelosi and all of these guys — I mean, Nadler — I know him much of my life; he’s fought me in New York for 25 years. I always beat him. And I had to beat him another time. And I’ll probably have to beat him again. Because if they find that I happen to walk across the street, and maybe go against the light or something, “Let’s impeach him.” (Laughter.)

    And I’m sure that Pelosi and Cryin’ Chuck — I’ve known this guy all the — the only time I ever saw him cry was when it was appropriate. Known him for a long time. Cryin’ Chuck. But I’m sure they’ll try and cook up other things. They’ll go through the state of New York. They’ll go through other places. They’ll do whatever they can. Because instead of wanting to heal our country and fix our country, all they want to do — in my opinion, it’s almost like they want to destroy our country. We can’t let it happen.

    This was a highly partisan situation. Pelosi said — I copied it down exactly. Before the impeachment — she wanted to impeach from day one, by the way. Don’t let it fool you. You know, she said, “No, the impeachment is a very serious thing.” I said, “She wants to impeach. Watch.”

    But she said, “There’s something so compelling — it has to be so compelling and so overwhelming and bipartisan. I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country” — she was right about that — “and it’s just not worth it.” That was Nancy Pelosi a year ago. Right?

    I had — I had Nancy Pelosi sitting four seats away, and I’m saying things that a lot of people wouldn’t have said — (laughter) — but I meant every — (laughter) — I meant every word of it.

    Trump rips into Nancy.

  88. Confused Old Misfit

    Mater
    #3315604, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:02 am

    Nail that link and post down Mater.
    The pissant proggies here are happy to try to re-write history at any opportunity.

  89. stackja

    Roger
    #3315605, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:02 am

    Guy Fawkes National Park

    Guy Fawkes River – Wikipedia
    Name. The river is named after Guy Fawkes Day. Major Edward Parke named the Guy Fawkes River after camping nearby on Guy Fawkes Day, 5 November 1845.

    Fireworks in August!

  90. OldOzzie

    What will the cars of tomorrow look like?

    Trying to predict the future is a dangerous and error-prone game. It’s even more so in the fast-moving world of cars.

    By Andrew Chesterton

    As any political polling company will tell you (once you’ve signed the lucrative contract, of course), trying to predict the future is a dangerous and error-prone game. It’s even more so in the fast-moving world of cars, where trends change faster than a Kardashian’s marital status. Still, we’re going to go out on a limb here and make a bold prediction: the cars of tomorrow are going to look an awful lot like the cars of today.

    That’s right, the streets of Australia won’t be filled with Jetsons-style bubble cars, zipping through — or even above — our cities. Instead, we’re likely to be sitting in increasingly awful traffic, and in vehicles that look not unlike many of those we bought last century.

    This wasn’t always the case, of course. When car companies first started talking about electric cars, their designers would happily tell you how the vehicles of the future would look nothing like the ones we’ve grown used to. Big engines and gearboxes had acted as creative stumbling blocks, they said, and so swapping them for tiny electric motors would finally give designers the freedom to let their imaginations run wild. The lucky ones only talked about the possibilities, but some actually put pen to paper to show people what that future would look like. And it wasn’t pretty.

    “We were watching that trend, too,” says Holger Hutzenlaub, senior manager of the Mercedes-Benz advanced design team. “And more importantly, we were watching customer reaction to that trend. A car still has to integrate itself into modern traffic. We can’t overload our customers by exaggerating the design. If we design something that looks like it belongs out in space, they’ll never find it.”

    Which is why we find ourselves gazing upon the Mercedes-Benz Vision EQS concept, a vast window into the brand’s all-electric future, when even its flagship S-Class will abandon its big petrol engine in favour of the silent wafting of electric motors. And yet it looks, more or less, like a car. It pushes the boundaries of current design, sure, but never breaks right through them. “People are more shy than we [designers] think, so this design must be digestible,” says Hutzenlaub.

    Digestible, sure. But the EQS is still far from ordinary. For one thing, it’s been taught a kind of sign language that enables it to communicate wordlessly with its owner. That 3D digital grille is made up of 920 LEDs mounted as strips of five (there’s another 230 at the rear, with a single strip of light that encircles the entire vehicle, linking the two clusters) that will brighten as you approach or change colour to tell you how much power is left in the batteries, or the car’s charging status. And even the headlights are a 500-LED matrix that whirs into life like a movie projector, flickering like a hologram every time you start the engine.

    The interior is also magically screen free, projecting all your driving information onto every surface and transforming the entire vehicle into digital screens, viewable from every seat.

    “This is what people expect of a futuristic, progressive car. They want technology that fascinates. They’re looking for a miracle, really,” says Hutzenlaub.

    The future, it seems, will also be green: the EQS’ seats are made from recycled bottles and the roof-lining crafted from plastics pulled from the ocean. There are no fine leathers here, with the discerning customer of tomorrow apparently more woke than ever before.

    The EQS is powered by electric motors at each axle, with the wheels positioned as far forward and rearward as possible, allowing for that gorgeous bow-like side profile.

    All up, those electric motors will produce some 350kW, enough for the EQS to silently streak to 100km/h in around 4.5 seconds. Those numbers are purely theoretical, of course, because when you sink into the driver’s seat of a priceless (Benz will only say the one-of-just-one EQS cost “several million Euro”, without considering the countless man hours that went into its creation) concept car, the lead is suddenly drained from your foot. Push the “D” button and there’s a gentle thud as the EQS settles into gear, before gliding silently forward the moment you release the brake. A delicate prod of the accelerator sees this concept car collect speed in the same startling way we’re now beginning to get used to with electric vehicles.

    Yet it still all feels very car-like. Well, except for the small army of Mercedes minders jogging along outside, looking partly like the secret service with a presidential motorcade, and partly like an NFL team protecting the running back. They’re there in case we decide we don’t want to just drive the future, but run it into a wall.

    And just like that, WISH has been to the future. And it looks very bright indeed.

  91. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    First British national tests positive for coronavirus
    The first British national has tested positive for coronavirus after travelling back to the UK from Singapore, according to government sources.

    It emerged earlier that a third case of the disease had been confirmed in the UK but England’s chief medical officer refused to disclose the patient’s nationality or specify which country in Asia they caught the disease.

    But the Guardian understands that the individual is British and contracted the coronavirus in Singapore.

  92. 8th Dan

    Now that is interesting, Private Farsical.

    The blog had 2 separate threads running on the same dates in October 2013 with the same numbering sequences.

  93. candy

    Without a civil society there is no glue to hold a people together in a time of crisis when government and business are failing.

    I’m not sure about that, Roger. It may be that any society will crumble and it will be (almost) everyone out for themselves in dire situations.
    And the more advanced a society is in terms of technology and reliance on technology and food just being in supermarkets etc, the more likely it will become “dog eat dog” and very fast too.

  94. Eyrie

    “Coronavirus: Whistle-blower Dr Li Wenliang confirmed dead of the disease at 34, after hours of chaotic messaging from hospital”

    A 9mm bullet in the back of the head tends to make you dead.

  95. Eyrie

    My young Army attack helo pilot mate who has now left the Army was beginning to wonder why he would risk his life for the bogans, their whelps and the politicians they elect.

  96. candy

    Mackay has resigned, but Scottish Police are ducking it, saying they only have social media reports, so can’t investigate.

    Leigh L I think he is still in the Parliament? but is suspended from his position, not sure.

    SNP seems to be a very progressive party so I don’t think the middle aged man preying on very young lads is particularly irksome to them. I think the SNP leaders have condemned Trump as an evil sexist though – the usual hypocrisy.

  97. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    four of the 167 passengers aboard a quarantine flight from Wuhan to a Marine Corps air station near San Diego were sent to local hospitals shortly after their plane touched down yesterday morning.

    The San Diego Union-Tribune said that none of the American citizens returning to the US showed any symptoms when they boarded the flight, but medical screenings done after their arrival revealed that four people (three adults and one child) showed symptoms that may have been caused by the coronavirus

  98. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    US expects China to maintain trade commitments


    Washington expects Beijing to maintain its commitment to increase purchases of US goods and services by at least $200bn over the next two years, despite the coronavirus outbreak, US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

    China made the commitment to buy US goods as part of a Phase 1 trade deal with the US.

    “Based on current information, I don’t expect there will be any issues in them fulfilling their commitments,” Mnuchin said in an interview with Fox Business Network.

  99. ZK2A:

    ‘We saw this coming for years’: Farmers take legal action after fires

    Good on them – I’d like to see The State defend their gerbil wormening policies in court.

  100. stackja

    8th still posting. Scrolling.

  101. Roger

    Nate Silver reckons Biden’s chances of getting the nomination were halved in Iowa and Sanders is presently the most likely candidate to get the nomination. The corrupt Democratic establishment appears to be backing Pete Buttigieg, who mysteriously knew the results of the Iowa primaries before the vote count was complete.

    The centre cannot hold.

  102. feelthebern

    My young Army attack helo pilot mate who has now left the Army was beginning to wonder why he would risk his life for the bogans, their whelps and the politicians they elect.

    Very well put.

  103. feelthebern

    The Donald retweeted a Miranda Devine tweet today.

  104. Confused Old Misfit

    Pete Buttigieg, who mysteriously knew the results of the Iowa primaries before the vote count was complete.

    The gaytocracy is everywhere.

  105. stackja

    Roger
    #3315628, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:28 am

    Pete helped with the count? Added some?

  106. OldOzzie

    Albanese goes cold in Labor’s lacklustre first Question Time

    Alice Workman
    Strewth Editor

    Albo’s woes

    Anthony Albanese was subtly passed some throat spray during question time on Wednesday, not that you’ll see a photograph of it. Albanese popped the anti-inflammatory in his pocket, afraid the press gallery might pap him taking a puff. During a division, the Labor leader flashed it at Speaker Tony Smith to explain why he wanted to quickly step out of the chamber. His request was denied. Could that be the explanation for Labor’s lacklustre first question time of 2020? But, hang on a second — flu-like symptoms, such as coughing, sore throat and fatigue? Could Albanese have been struck down by the beer virus? Unlike Scott Morrison, Albanese has met many people who have been willing to shake his hand this summer. Albanese’s team dismissed Strewth’s wild theories, explaining he’d just picked up a cold (probably due to all the time spent on the road in the past few months without a holiday).

  107. Roger

    Pete helped with the count? Added some?

    The company that owned and developed the app used for the ballot is owned by a major Buttigieg donor.

  108. Confused Old Misfit

    The blog had 2 separate threads running on the same dates in October 2013 with the same numbering sequences.

    It’s all a “vast right-wing conspiracy!”

  109. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    So true!
    Quote Tweet

    Miranda Devine
    @mirandadevine
    · 16h
    Column’s up: To nobody’s surprise, the dishonestly partisan impeachment operation to remove Donald Trump has failed. All the Democrats have done is make the President more popular and unite Republicans around him. https://dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/impeachment-acquittal-gives-trump-a-big-popularity-boost/news-story/df34901f6cb73b89f4e1b1a9cb677dbb

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    Without a civil society there is no glue to hold a people together in a time of crisis when government and business are failing.

    It’s true.
    What a civil society does is reduce policing costs. If there’s no general respect of authority, police and government then the cost of chasing the ferals becomes too high. Crimes do not get investigated, few perps get arrested so the risk of committing crime becomes small. Rule of law collapses.

    This is being overtly pursued by the Left:

    America’s Quiet Policing Crisis (6 Feb)

    Across the United States, from cities to rural counties, police departments are confronting a recruitment crisis. “Going back to 2010, we had about 4,700 online applications. That dropped down to about 1,900 last year,” said Steve Anderson, chief of the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, in a Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) report last year.

    This is the direct result of Ferguson and the Black Lives Matter fraud. Which was really the Criminals Should Be Let Off Because Black Skin Movement. Consequently no one wants to be a policeman because the pollies won’t support the police. And as a result businesses close, shops vanish, misery increases as gangs take control. All because of the lawless Left.

  111. Mater

    The blog had 2 separate threads running on the same dates in October 2013 with the same numbering sequences.

    Quite normal (even now). The sequential allocation is based on posting time across all active threads. Look to your right and pick two sequential posts on different threads. You’ll clearly see they have sequential numbers, despite the fact that they are on different threads. If you look on this thread, you’ll also see that the numbers don’t always follow either.

    Perhaps get your facts straight before making a goose of yourself.
    I do hope you’re not really a Doctor.

  112. OldOzzie

    From Jo Nova – The few places that escaped the Spanish Flu — lessons from Samoa

    Delaying an infection has other benefits too. It can help spread the peak, thus making resources more available. There are around 2,000 ICU beds in toto in Australia, that’s about 1 bed per 12,000 people. The high Ro infections (which rise and fall the fastest) will be bad news if they are also nastier germs and a high proportion of people need an ICU bed. The system gets overwhelmed.

    Remember those exponential curves are so unforgiving. If CoronaVirus has a 6 day doubling period, without any quarantine China is potentially only three months away from having 300 million cases. Officially some 12% or so get the severe form. In the Lancet study 29% got acute respiratory distress syndrome.

    Watching those CoV numbers (not the Chinese ones so much as all the other nations.) The good news is that in the Western world the numbers don’t seem to be growing rapidly. We are only 5 days in from stopping the flights, but that’s getting close to the average incubation period. The few new cases in Australia and the US still seem to have come direct from China or through a close relative.

  113. mh

    Shame no one will have access to Miranda’s link!

    She was appearing in the New York Post recently.

  114. stackja

    Samantha Turnbull
    @samturnbullABC
    We now have a waterfront property in #byronbay – just like the Hemsworths

  115. candy

    Pete Buttigieg,

    Sanders seems a nice chap but looks dishevelled and not coping with health issues. He stoops.

    It is possible the Dems think they can beat Trump with a candidate simply because he’s gay. There must be a huge push for him. It is the Left dream to have a gay man President if they can’t have a lady President.

  116. stackja

    mh
    #3315645, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:38 am

    Impeachment acquittal gives Trump a big popularity boost
    With impeachment now behind him, Trump is finally free to focus on a 2020 re-election win and move past the fanatical attempts of Democrats to bring him down, writes Miranda Devine.

    Miranda Devine
    Subscriber only

    February 7, 2020 10:09am

    To nobody’s surprise, the dishonestly partisan impeachment operation to remove Donald Trump failed on Wednesday.

    The US President was acquitted along party lines in the Senate of charges of abuse of power and obstruction of justice brought by Democrats who refuse to accept their 2016 election loss.

    They hoped impeachment would damage the President before the November election.

    But the ruse backfired. All it has done is deliver him record high approval ratings and unite Republicans around him, now reborn as street brawlers. The only holdout was bitter Never-Trumper Mitt Romney.

    Just nine months before voters deliver their verdict on his presidency, Trump’s acquittal capped off a trifecta of doom for the Democrats.

    It began at the Iowa Caucuses on Monday, the first test of their presidential candidates, which descended into farce when a new app designed by former Hillary Clinton staffers crashed, meaning final results still aren’t known.

    But what was already clear on the ground is that Joe Biden’s campaign is on life support. Despite the advantage of having the state virtually to himself for three weeks while his main rivals were tied up in Washington on impeachment duty, he is languishing in fourth place.

  117. stackja

    All that’s left against a Teflon Trump is the unelectability of a 78-year-old Vermont socialist, Bernie Sanders, and 37-year-old Pete Buttigieg, a left-wing gay mayor of a midwestern town the size of Newcastle, who has never won more than 10,000 votes.

    Rigging the rules for New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg to steal the nomination only sets the stage for civil war at the Democratic National Convention in July.

    All that’s left for the Democrats are angry futile gestures to mask their fatal political miscalculation.

    On Tuesday night Trump delivered his State of the Union address, studded with concrete achievements, including a booming economy, the lowest unemployment in 50 years, rising wages for low income earners, new trade deals, conservative judges, stronger borders and a rebuilt military.

    His optimistic message of the “great American comeback” is the blueprint of his election campaign.

    During the long months of impeachment, a mutual loathing of Trump preserved a facade of unity and purpose for Democrats.

    But all they have left now is the spectacle of their broken Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, shredding her remaining dignity by ripping up her copy of his speech.

    “Washington Democrats think President Donald Trump committed a high crime or misdemeanour the moment he defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election,” Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell said as he opened the vote.

    “That is the original sin of this presidency, that he won.”

    @mirandadevine

  118. stackja

    Miranda Devine
    @mirandadevine
    ·
    6h
    Sloshed IQ-challenged leftists think I don’t know how to shpell Shpeaker Peloshi’s name

  119. Roger

    It’s true. What a civil society does is reduce policing costs.

    Among many benefits, some of which are not measurable.

    One of the dangers of the rise of the managerial class is that they will attempt to subsume civil society under their aegis through increased regulation of the private/non-government/non-business sphere. The imposition of blue cards on volunteer firefighters in QLD is a good example.

  120. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Total rejects ‘force majeure’ notice from Chinese buyer
    A Total executive said the French energy giant rejected a force majeure notice from a buyer of liquefied natural gas in China/

    “Some Chinese customers, at least one, is trying to use the coronavirus to say I have force majeure,” said Philippe Sauquet, head of Total’s gas, renewables and power division, said as the company presented its annual results.

    Sauquet referred to a clause that is included in contracts to remove liability for unforeseeable circumstances that prevent someone to fulfill a contract.

  121. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Stop the hype over Taiwan, China tells US
    China angrily accused the US and allied countries of hyping the exclusion of the Taiwan authorities from WHO meetings on the coronavirus emergency.

    “Stop hyping-up about the so-called Taiwan issue. Don’t waste our time,” China’s delegate told the health agency’s executive board.

    Taiwan is not a WHO member because China, which views the island as a wayward Chinese province and not a country, says it adequately represents it in the organisation.

  122. In ARL news, from the Hun:

    ‘The ARL Commission has scrapped the national anthem at the annual All Stars match on the advice of the game’s indigenous players.
    The decision was approved at a meeting yesterday between the commission and the NRL, with consultation from the ARL Indigenous Council.
    It comes a year after a number of indigenous players had opted not to sing the anthem during the clash with the Maori All Stars team.
    “The All Stars game was created as a celebration of indigenous players and their culture,” ARLC chairman Peter V’landys said.
    “We have listened to the players’ concerns that the words of the anthem do not represent them or their families, and does not include an acknowledgement of First Nations people.
    “We respect their wishes and have agreed that the anthem will not be played at the All Stars match on February 22nd.”
    The move has been described by some as the game’s Colin Kaepernick moment, in reference to the former NFL quarterback, who controversially knelt during the US anthem in 2016.
    He was protesting at the treatment of African American people in the US.
    Indigenous star Latrell Mitchell, who is among those players that didn’t sing the anthem last year, posted a photo of him leading the indigenous war cry – alongside another of Kaepernick in Time magazine.’

    If those stars like Mitchell and Addo-Carr and whoever else is triggered by the anthem, then they shouldn’t show up to represent the Kangaroos, because hurty feelz.
    And Colin Kaepernick moment? Someone remind me please of what team he plays for?
    And thirdly, will all black fellas around the country be in uproar if Mitchell didn’t use their ‘nations’ particular war cry? A clusterfuck.

  123. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    WHO CCP puppet

    UK over-reacted to coronavirus outbreak: Chinese ambassador
    Britain’s advice to its nationals to leave China because of the coronavirus outbreak in Hubei province was an over-reaction, the Chinese ambassador to London said.

    Asked during a news conference if the Chinese authorities had been consulted about the advice, Liu Xiaoming said: “We did tell them over-reaction is not helpful. We asked them to take the advice of the WHO to make a reasonable response. Do not over-react.”

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    Shame no one will have access to Miranda’s link!

    Her column is in the New York Post, which is probably what Trump read.
    Nice to see an Aussie do well!

  125. calli

    Didn’t the BOM say this was going to be the driest summer EVAH?

    .

    That statement will be adjusted and homogenised.

  126. stackja

    Black Ball
    #3315661, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:47 am

    RC destroyed RA. Now ARL want to destroy NRL.

  127. dover_beach

    The San Diego Union-Tribune said that none of the American citizens returning to the US showed any symptoms when they boarded the flight,

    It’s like they don’t know that the novel coronavirus can be transmitted by asymptomatic carriers.

  128. feelthebern

    Working from home today.
    My (clean) gutters are overflowing.
    A little bit of flooding at the bottom of the back yard.
    Awesome.

  129. Roger

    It’s like they don’t know that the novel coronavirus can be transmitted by asymptomatic carriers.

    Our CMO seemed to have some difficulty grasping that.

  130. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘The ARL Commission has scrapped the national anthem at the annual All Stars match on the advice of the game’s indigenous players.

    Oops the TV rights just went down $100 million.
    Maybe they could get Qantas on board though.
    Mr Joyce loves destroying football codes.

  131. calli

    Correct me if I’m wrong. Please.

    Posts are numbered as they come in, regardless of the thread. So there may be a break in continuity as posts for other threads arrive.

  132. Tom

    1735099
    #1032097, posted on October 11, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    Profits are made via charging more than it costs to manufacture products or services.
    Consumers are overcharged; employees are underpaid.
    Profits are the essence of unfair transactions.
    Riches cannot be made fairly.
    Wealth is created via unfair exchanges.

    Mater, many thanks for pointing out Googleory’s denialist idiocy in trying to pretend the old commo troll never denounced capitalism in a huffing yellow rage at the Cat.

    In fact, the above wasn’t his original dissertation on capitalism, which I recall went for many more paragraphs (alas, I recorded it on an earlier laptop, which has long gone to God).

    It was one of the most pig-ignorant self-beclownments ever published in Australia.

  133. stackja

    Tigray People’s Liberation Front, WHO is telling what? Virus not a problem? The Ethiopia famine from 1983 to 1985, people overreacted?

  134. calli

    Whoops. Shoulda scrolled back.

  135. Arky

    Correct me if I’m wrong. Please.

    ..
    Wrong.
    You are correct, I mean, right, you aren’t wrong.
    Whatever.

  136. calli

    As for your other comment, Mater. Cumberland may be a good guess.

  137. Warning.
    You may want to don hazmat gear before reading my posts.

    I was in little Shanghai (Dannograd CBD) last night.

  138. calli

    As for all the FTA channels rushing to get their Bushfireageddon footage collated…damp squib.

    Bucketing down here. Lake is re-filling fast. And Mr Spooner and his new girlfriend are working the churned up edges, searching for wriggling worms and taddies.

    Earlier, two well fed butcherbirds used my back porch as shelter. From there they can spy all the earthworms rising to the surface to greet the downpour. We’ve had 50mm so far – my handy rain gauge (swimming pool) is two tiles up.

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mater, many thanks for pointing out Googleory’s denialist idiocy in trying to pretend the old commo troll never denounced capitalism in a huffing yellow rage at the Cat.

    Seconded, Mater, thank you.

  140. OldOzzie

    calli
    #3315684, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:03 am
    As for all the FTA channels rushing to get their Bushfireageddon footage collated…damp squib.

    Bucketing down here. Lake is re-filling fast. And Mr Spooner and his new girlfriend are working the churned up edges, searching for wriggling worms and taddies.

    Earlier, two well fed butcherbirds used my back porch as shelter. From there they can spy all the earthworms rising to the surface to greet the downpour. We’ve had 50mm so far – my handy rain gauge (swimming pool) is two tiles up.

    My swimming pool rain gauge well over 2 tiles up and overflowing!

  141. OldOzzie

    Hey Democrats, Ya Got Trouble

    The caucus-night mess in Iowa comes as the president is on an unlikely roll.

    By Karl Rove

    Monday night’s tabulation meltdown at the Iowa caucuses was an utter and unmitigated disaster.

    The incompetence was jaw-dropping. Iowa Democratic Party leaders reportedly didn’t train the 1,800 precinct captains how to use the app that they promised would speed up the counting of votes and provide more transparency. They didn’t run a full-scale test in which captains all sent full data sets from their caucus sites in the same hour. Nor did they test the backup phone system to confirm it could handle hundreds of simultaneous calls. And they’d been warned there were problems.

    After this debacle, the only way Iowa can keep its privileged status in the presidential selection process is if the responsible state Democratic Party leaders commit hara-kiri. Even then, it might not be enough. How angry must the Democratic candidates be about the time, money and effort they threw into Iowa, only to see it end in this indecisive mess? And what about volunteers who sacrificed months for someone they believe in?

    It doesn’t help that, as of Wednesday evening, the results are still a muddle. The first-place finisher will get a smaller percentage of the vote in Iowa than any previous caucus winner and Iowa’s 41 pledged delegates (out of more than 3,000 at the national convention) could be split among a record five candidates.

    With 87% of precincts reporting, Bernie Sanders trails Pete Buttigieg in “state delegate equivalents,” a fancy term for each candidate’s share of state convention delegates. Both will likely end up with 13 national pledged delegates from Iowa. Still, they led the field and, by beating expectations, Mr. Buttigieg has picked up a little momentum.

    Meanwhile, former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg had a good night by avoiding the farce entirely. If Mr. Bloomberg, who isn’t competing in early states, has any shot at the nomination, then Joe Biden’s campaign must collapse before Super Tuesday on March 3. Mr. Biden wasn’t expected to win Iowa, but running a dismal fourth hurts.

    Since Mr. Biden also isn’t projected to do well in New Hampshire next week, his poor Iowa performance raises the stakes for the Nevada and South Carolina contests later this month. If the former vice president does badly there—especially if he loses the Palmetto State—then his campaign is finished. Watch to see if Mr. Biden’s poor showing in Iowa dents his national polling as the most electable Democrat.

    Another winner Monday night was President Trump. The bigger the Iowa mess, the worse the Democratic field looks. That stink won’t last, but Mr. Trump is also coming off several weeks of mostly good news. He signed the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement. The Chinese approved the first phase of a trade deal. His surprise Super Bowl ad highlighting criminal-justice reform in an emotional, personal way unsettled Democratic operatives, portending an electoral play for not only African-Americans but also disaffected suburbanites.

    Then came impeachment. As this column forecasted, because Democrats refused to take up the patient work of persuasion and instead bludgeoned and insulted the jury, the process will cost Democrats among independent voters.

    The president also keeps getting good news on the economy. It plugs along at a decent pace, with unemployment at a 50-year low, more vacant jobs than job-seekers and wages rising for workers rising faster than for managers.

    The Jan. 15 Gallup poll found 62% of Americans saying the economy is “excellent” or “good” and 59% saying it’s “getting better.” This boosted Gallup’s economic confidence index to its highest level since October 2000. A Jan. 23 ABC/Washington Post poll also found 43% were “very” or “somewhat worried” about maintaining their standard of living, compared with 63% in January 2016, a year before Mr. Trump took office. This led 56% to approve of his handling of the economy, up 10 points since last September. It’s no wonder, then, that Gallup’s latest poll awards the president a 49% job-approval rating, his highest since taking office.

    Mr. Trump is also receiving help from his opponents. Until her party settles on a presidential nominee, Speaker Nancy Pelosi is the country’s highest-profile Democrat. Unfortunately for the party, she recorded a minus-15-point favorability rating in the Jan. 29 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. She didn’t help matters by childishly ripping up her copy of the president’s State of the Union speech on camera, which dominated the post-speech coverage and overshadowed the official Democratic response.

    Mr. Trump is on a roll, but there are 271 days left before Election Day. His supporters should remember: What happens the first week of February won’t decide what happens the first Tuesday of November.

  142. stackja

    HORTONS CREEK (SOUTH OF GRAFTON) Armidale Rd between Schultz Rd and Boundary Creek Rd
    FLOODING
    Started today 9:53am, last checked today 11:01am
    Impact: Impact Road closed in both directions.
    Attending: Local Council
    Advice: Avoid the area
    Use an alternative route
    Other Info: Flooding has washed away a bridge.

    Drought and flooding rains.

  143. Roger

    Seconded, Mater, thank you.

    Thirded.

    I missed it the first time around.

    Reads like the manifesto if a 16 y.o. international socialist. Pathetic.

  144. OldOzzie

    Confused Old Misfit
    #3315689, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:08 am
    There are many idiots on this globe.

    It is time to see whether a few zeros should be knocked off the 10-figure fortunes amassed by the world’s billionaire club, French economist and author Thomas Piketty says.

    France is running out of money to pay for the France Welfare State!

  145. calli

    Thing is, they want us to be in a state of permanent worry – fires, hot weather, floods, cyclones, smog.

    We were told that the bushfire season was only at the beginning and there was more to come. So be afraid peoples, and buy this face cream, car, tv, phone or whatever other crap they’re selling. The ABC doesn’t even have the dignity of marketing anything real – just the climate swindle and any other leftist political tripe that’s the cause du jour.

    And now, amidst the deluge, we have previews of talking heads worritting about the bushfires and what do we doooo!? Well, that’s been taken care of. In the usual manner.

  146. OldOzzie

    WHY TRUMP WILL BE RE-ELECTED, IN ONE DATA POINT

    Gallup has some fascinating poll data on Americans’ views of their own financial well-being. The headline sums it up: “Record-High Optimism on Personal Finances in U.S.”

    Gallup finds that 59% say they are better off than they were a year ago, as opposed to only 20% who say they are worse off. Those are great numbers–interestingly, we are so divided that political affiliation makes a big difference even on a simple question about one’s own finances–but that isn’t the data point I mean.

    The most striking finding is this one: 74% say they expect to be better off a year from now than they are today, the highest such finding Gallup has ever recorded:

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    Earlier, two well fed butcherbirds used my back porch as shelter.

    Calli – I’ve currently three rainbow lorikeets and an eccentric cocky sheltering under the eaves just outside my front door. They look miserable. Rain at last!

  148. mh

    Her column is in the New York Post, which is probably what Trump read.
    Nice to see an Aussie do well!

    Here here.

  149. OldOzzie

    Here’s
    @MikeBloomberg

    in December 2016 at Oxford explaining how trans rights simply won’t fly in the midwest because only the “intelligentsia” can understand why “some man wearing a dress should be in a locker room with their daughter.”

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Wuhan is so bad, people are prepared to fly Qantas to live on Christmas Island.

  151. Johno

    The food section of news.com reports that pineapple is the most frequently requested extra topping on pizza.
    And olives are the most frequently requested deletion.
    Finally, it’s taken years but people are finally relying on their taste buds instead of fashion to determine how they eat. A nice Jacobs Creek Shiraz Cabernet ($8 at Woolies) perfection!!!

  152. Confused Old Misfit

    CREDLIN : ‘Climate Cult’ Using Environmentalism As A ‘Trojan Horse’ For Marxism

    Dear God! Has the woman never heard of Delingpole? “Watermelons“?

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    Iowa Democratic Party leaders reportedly didn’t train the 1,800 precinct captains how to use the app that they promised would speed up the counting of votes and provide more transparency. They didn’t run a full-scale test in which captains all sent full data sets from their caucus sites in the same hour.

    Rove misses the interesting fact that DHS offered to test the app for them…but they refused.

    DHS head claims Iowa Democrats refused to let department test failed caucus app (4 Feb)

    Which does suggest the app wasn’t entirely kosher, one way or another. Rather like the DNC server.

  154. calli

    ‘Stix talked about this sort of stuff yesterday.

    That’s just agriculture. Building is rumoured to be the same.

    Can’t comment about cleaners. 🙂

  155. OldOzzie

    Nancy Pelosi says Democrats will look into other opportunities for impeachment of President Trump

    Does not do well in comments below the article

    Just be done with it .. we get it .. you hate him .. just because Hillary lost. You maybe should be looking to who you will be running against Trump .. checked your IA caucus lately

    So another year of the Democrats in the House not working for the American people. #DoYourJob

    Talk about abuse of power. No interest in governing to help America. She is full of hate and spite, and completely losing her mind.

    Stop wasting my tax dollars on your charades, Nancy.

    Stuck on stupid.

    Why “investigate”, they didn’t feel the need for any proof last time?

    One trick ponies. It’s not like they can campaign on their accomplishments or party platform.

  156. Some History

    Greta™, the UN pipsqueak that excels in promoting climate hysteria, has been nominated for a No Bell Peace Prize by other leftists.

    Greta Thunberg Has Been Nominated For A Nobel Peace Prize

    Hakan Svenneling and Jens Holm, two lawmakers from the Left Party of Sweden, submitted the 17-year-old’s name to be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize for her work in pushing the planet toward a more sustainable future.

    https://gritdaily.com/greta-thunberg-nobel-peace-prize/

  157. Roger

    Which does suggest the app wasn’t entirely kosher, one way or another.

    The app’s developer is run by three ex-Hillary campaign operatives, at least one of whom has links to the Buttigieg campaign.

    The usual shenanigans.

  158. Delta A

    Thing is, they want us to be in a state of permanent worry

    This paper is dated, but still the best I’ve read on the subject. Fear: the foundation of every government’s power.

    https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1510

  159. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #3315715, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:27 am
    Stuck on stupid.

    On Sept. 20, 2005, Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honoré , answered reporters’ questions during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Honoré focused on steps being taken to prevent future storms. Reporters kept drawing him back to planning prior to Hurricane Katrina hitting.

    “You’re asking last storm questions for people who are concerned about the future storm. Don’t get stuck on stupid, reporters,” Honoré said, coining a phrase. The General concluded, “You are part of the public message. So help us get the message straight. And if you don’t understand, maybe you’ll confuse it to the people.”

  160. OldOzzie

    Perhaps Peta Credlin should read this

    A Tale of Two States

    Tom Finnerty • 06 Feb, 2020 • 5 Min Read

    The divide between Anti-Fracking New York and Pro-Fracking Pennsylvania is fascinating. New York — my native state — has been working hard for years to keep out fracking and to kill every proposal to build new Natural Gas pipelines or to expand the capacity of the existing pipelines into the state.

    Well, in what might be the most predictable outcome in the history of outcomes, New York now finds itself lacking in Natural Gas. Here’s an article about that from the New York Post back in May:

    Long Islanders were recently hit with bad news. National Grid, which provides natural gas for nearly 600,000 Long Island residents, announced it won’t be able to provide fuel for new customers if the proposed Williams Co. Transco pipeline expansion isn’t approved by May 15.

    Earlier this year, energy company Con Ed imposed a similar moratorium on new natural gas service in parts of Westchester County due to limited capacity on existing pipelines.

    It has even gotten so bad that that people who had their gas turned off during renovations have found that their utility companies are reluctant to turn their gas back on.

    What is so frustrating about all of this is that it is so avoidable. If there’s one thing America has a lot of, it is natural gas. Stephanie Yang and Ryan Dezember wrote about this strange energy divide in the Wall Street Journal:

    America is awash in natural gas. In parts of the country there’s hardly a drop to burn.

    Earlier this year, two utilities that service the New York City area stopped accepting new natural-gas customers in two boroughs and several suburbs. Citing jammed supply lines running into the city on the coldest winter days, they said they couldn’t guarantee they’d be able to deliver gas to additional furnaces.

    Never mind that the country’s most prolific gas field, the Marcellus Shale, is only a three-hour drive away.
    Meanwhile, in West Texas, drillers have so much excess natural gas they are simply burning it off, roughly enough each day to fuel every home in the state.

    U.S. gas production rose to a record of more than 37 trillion cubic feet last year, up 44% from a decade earlier. Yet the infrastructure needed to move gas around the country hasn’t kept up. Pipelines aren’t in the right places, and when they are, they’re usually decades old and often too small.

  161. stackja

    calli
    #3315698, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:16 am
    Thing is, they want us to be in a state of permanent worry – fires, hot weather, floods, cyclones, smog.

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    H. L. Mencken

  162. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3315705, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:21 am
    Her column is in the New York Post, which is probably what Trump read.
    Nice to see an Aussie do well!

    Here here.”

    Yes…nice to see that she finally stopped fellating Turdbull…remember that Miranda was one of Turdbull’s biggest fans.

  163. OldOzzie

    Sanders, Bloomberg, and Warren are Fracking Idiots

    Vermont’s Socialist and presidential wannabe, Sen. Bernie Sanders, in a bill introduced last week that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) helped craft would ban fracking nationwide by 2025, a death sentence if passed for the American economy. Like fellow political lemmings Elizabeth Warren and Michael Bloomberg, Sanders has swallowed the lies the greenies have fed him about fracking, as shown in a statement he released supporting his legislation shortly before the disastrous Iowa caucuses:

    “Fracking is a danger to our water supply. It’s a danger to the air we breathe, it has resulted in more earthquakes, and it’s highly explosive. To top it all off, it’s contributing to climate change,” Sanders said in a statement.

    “If we are serious about clean air and drinking water, if we are serious about combating climate change, the only safe and sane way to move forward is to ban fracking nationwide,” he added.

    Environmental expert Ocasio-Cortez from the fracking-free and declining state of New York echoed his sentiments and this attempt to legislate into law a major part of her Green New Deal:

    In a statement, Ocasio-Cortez said fracking is a contributor to “our climate emergency.”

    “The science is clear: fracking is a leading contributor to our climate emergency. It is destroying our land. It is destroying our water and it is wreaking havoc on our communities’ health.”

    Not only is none of this nonsense true, it is actually the reverse of what is true. The American technology of fracking has helped the United States lead the world in curtailing carbon dioxide emissions and therefore is a leading contributor to climate stability and to the quality of the air we breathe. We are in more danger from the carbon dioxide released during one of Bernie’s speeches as he crisscrosses the electoral map in private jets.

  164. Leigh Lowe

    Mater, many thanks for pointing out Googleory’s denialist idiocy in trying to pretend the old commo troll never denounced capitalism in a huffing yellow rage at the Cat.

    Googlery must think everyone here is a dumb as he and all his colleagues at the NSW Department of Administrative Papershuffling are.
    Comments here are sequentially numbered no matter which thread they appear on.
    Googlery then links to comments on a different thread which was running simultaneously and claims the comment is missing.
    Such a dumb prick.
    Even after Spud defended the supposedly non-existent comment.

  165. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3315705, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:21 am
    Her column is in the New York Post, which is probably what Trump read.
    Nice to see an Aussie do well!

    Here here.”

    What did Miranda label those of us who knew from day one that Turdbull was going to be an unmitigated disaster…..”delcons”.

  166. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #3315720, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Obama gas pipelines policy?

  167. calli

    That was really interesting, Delta.

    Fear is a depreciating asset. As Machiavelli observes, “the temper of the multitude is fickle, and … while it is easy to persuade them of a thing, it is hard to fix them in that persuasion” ([1513 1992, 14). Unless the foretold threat eventuates, the people come to doubt its substance. The government must make up for the depreciation by investing in the maintenance, modernization, and replacement of its stock of fear capital.

    Climate swindling. Fear, threats, religion, politics.

    The perfect vehicle to subdue the masses. And they’ll be subdued willingly.

  168. Leigh Lowe

    Iowa Democratic Party leaders reportedly didn’t train the 1,800 precinct captains how to use the app that they promised would speed up the counting of votes and provide more transparency. They didn’t run a full-scale test in which captains all sent full data sets from their caucus sites in the same hour.

    Was this run by the ABS Census tax-eaters?

  169. OldOzzie

    So Nancy Pelosi had planned out her toddler-like rip stunt all along

    This, as it turns out, was bee ess.

    She planned the little rip and tear stunt well before the speech was even made.

    From Fox News here, you can see the little pre-torn centers to ensure clean rips for the speech’s conclusion, not a stray corner rip that might mess up the camera shot.

    Video surfaced Wednesday appearing to show House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif, testing and pre-ripping paper during President Trump’s State of the Union address before she would later rip it up at the end of his speech.

    One of the most talked-about moments of the night on Tuesday was at the end of Trump’s address, when Pelosi was seen ripping pages of the president’s speech in half. When Fox News asked her afterward why she did it, she responded: “Because it was the courteous thing to do considering the alternatives,” adding: “I tore it up. I was trying to find one page with truth on it. I couldn’t.”

    There has since been a debate about whether or not Pelosi had planned to rip the speech before she did it, or if it was an act of impulse. Video from the address, however, suggests it was premeditated.

    Now she stands out as trashier and more deranged than ever.

  170. lotocoti

    The Marcher Lord has some thoughts on the Tories EV brain fart.
    Being some ignorant twitter rando,
    he could benefit from some edumacating from the Church of Electric Vehicles.

  171. Confused Old Misfit

    @OldOzzie
    #3315720, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Perhaps Peta Credlin should read this

    I’m not critiquing her for her take on the gas situation but for her apparent late take on Green policy objectives. She’s basically sound, environmentally.
    However, I thought that she might have seen or heard of Delingpole’s early work, to say nothing of Jo Nova’s observations on the political aspects of the progressive enviro.
    We too are awash with natural gas. Somehow, control of it has to be got out of the hands of small minded state governments.

  172. OldOzzie

    stackja
    #3315727, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:41 am
    OldOzzie
    #3315720, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Obama gas pipelines policy?

    Yep – Obama and his Mooching Wife hated America

  173. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3315707, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Wuhan is so bad, people are prepared to fly Qantas to live on Christmas Island.

    People refused to board the plane in Wuhan until Qantas management assured them that cabin crew would be quarantined on the upper deck.
    “Not worry about Kung Flu”, said one man. “But very worry about AIDS and hepatitis C.”

  174. stackja

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3315726, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:41 am

    MD was a true believer about MT.

  175. Bernie:

    “Fracking is a danger to our water supply. It’s a danger to the air we breathe, it has resulted in more earthquakes, and it’s highly explosive. To top it all off, it’s contributing to climate change,” Sanders said in a statement.

    “If we are serious about clean air and drinking water, if we are serious about combating climate change, the only safe and sane way to move forward is to ban fracking nationwide,” he added.

    People actually believe this shit?

  176. OldOzzie

    Harry’s and Meghan’s ‘Geographic Balance’ as Post-National Parasitism

    Harry and Meghan have begun their new careers as post-national corporate hood ornaments. They can trade on their royal celebrity and far-left political credentials in Hollywood to pay off a multi-million-dollar debt to the British people and maintain the lavish lifestyle to which they are accustomed.

    Their “take this kingdom and shove it” Instagram message of 01/08/20 expresses an adolescent insensibility to what dogs and grown-ups know about biting the hand that feeds you. Ultimately, it amounts to a statement of narcissistic post-nationalism, a lifestyle of feeding off the greatest, blood-won nation-states without pledging allegiance to any. Narcissistic post-nationalism is a psychological defense mechanism employed by affluent, self-satisfied progressives that protects them from performing service or sacrifice to their homeland while gilding themselves in virtuous globalism.

    PS the rest of the Article is a Joy!

  177. Confused Old Misfit

    Googlery then links to comments on a different thread which was running simultaneously and claims the comment is missing.
    Such a dumb prick.
    Even after Spud defended the supposedly non-existent comment.

    Those chaps couldn’t get jobs counting votes in Iowa! Wait! Maybe they could?

  178. Top Ender

    The ARL Commission has scrapped the national anthem at the annual All Stars match on the advice of the game’s indigenous players.

    But it’s Ok to culturally appropriate the game of the invaders – and take their money?

  179. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seven’s US bureau journo seems to be coming around on Trump, at least a little bit, as his coverage of Trump’s exoneration was reasonably balanced.

    During the late morning news between news stories I was able to look at the EPG. Cats who wish to honor Kirk Douglas’ memory may like to know that 9Gem has Spartacus from 7:30 pm, followed by one of his westerns.

  180. Leigh Lowe

    Fracking is a danger to our water supply.

    Saw a great interview by Tucker Carlson with a green idiot on fracking a while ago.
    Parting shot from Tucker.
    “Do you have gas supplied to your house?”
    Green idiot : “Yes.”
    Tucker : “Do you ever worry about gas coming out of the water taps?”
    Green idiot : “Huh?”

  181. Infidel Tiger

    China is finished.

    Shenzhen now in lockdown.

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    MD was a true believer about MT.

    Yep. Trump seems to have cured her though.
    Maybe Nikki Savva should get herself a job at the NY Post too.

  183. OldOzzie

    Explaining why Mitt Romney really voted to convict Trump

    It’s about the unconscionable act of voters: electing Donald Trump. Mitt Romney regards the presidency as a rarefied space, where only the best, brightest, and most articulate men may enter. Trump got there while boasting about his libidinousness. He insulted the political class by calling them stupid, incompetent, venal, and wholly self-interested. He mocked his presidential rivals with belittling nicknames, many quite clever and deserved.

    And voters accepted it, some begrudgingly, putting the WWE Hall of Famer in the White House. Mitt Romney wasn’t voting for Trump’s impeachment as much as he was voting to obviate the electoral will of millions.

    Romney tries to hide his contempt for the average GOP voter behind a veneer of salt-and-peppered elder statesmanship. But he’s just as petty and small as those he gets on his tiptoes to look down upon.

    Former staffers on the Romney campaign are rebuking their former boss, saying he’s “motivated by bitterness and jealously.” That’s somewhat true, but it’s not the full story. As much as Romney craves hero status among the Georgetown set, he hates that the very people who backed his presidential run also stood behind a vulgar reality TV host.

    The difference is that Trump won. Romney will never forgive Republicans for making that happen.

  184. OldOzzie

    Romney’s Discreditable,
    Dishonest Vote

    From February 5, 2020, onward, Mitt Romney is a political outcast—a briefly useful idiot for the defeated Democrats and a traitor to the party he once led in a presidential election.

    Conrad Black – February 5th, 2020

  185. Fisky

    Looks like the guy in charge of counting China’s GDP is now running the death tally on Corona.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/juanli324/status/1225265123201142784

  186. calli

    only the best, brightest, and most articulate men may enter.

    And? Trump is none of those things?

    I do like the “men” bit. How old fashioned of “binders of women” Romney.

  187. jo

    OldOzzie
    #3315635, posted on February 7, 2020 at 10:32 am

    Albanese goes cold in Labor’s lacklustre first Question Time

    Alice Workman
    Strewth Editor

    Albo’s woes

    Anthony Albanese was subtly passed some throat spray during question time on Wednesday, not that you’ll see a photograph of it. Albanese popped the anti-inflammatory in his pocket, afraid the press gallery might pap him taking a puff. During a division, the Labor leader flashed it at Speaker Tony Smith to explain why he wanted to quickly step out of the chamber. His request was denied. Could that be the explanation for Labor’s lacklustre first question time of 2020? But, hang on a second — flu-like symptoms, such as coughing, sore throat and fatigue? Could Albanese have been struck down by the beer virus? Unlike Scott Morrison, Albanese has met many people who have been willing to shake his hand this summer. Albanese’s team dismissed Strewth’s wild theories, explaining he’d just picked up a cold (probably due to all the time spent on the road in the past few months without a holiday).

    May have picked up Kung Flu at the Rub’n’Tug.

  188. calli

    And a sideline in Iowa vote counting too.

    Velly plofitable.

  189. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Marcher Lord has some thoughts on the Tories EV brain fart.

    The Mail puts in the size 12 hobnails:

    Plug-in hybrid cars ’emit three times more carbon dioxide than official figures suggest’ because they are heavier than petrol vehicles and people are forgetting to plug them in (6 Feb)

    Hybrid cars make use of a battery-powered electric motor to support their internal combustion engine and are often touted as a green choice. However, aseries of studies have revealed that the fuel consumption rates of the hybrid vehicles are far greater in the real world than in testing conditions. The reason for this is that hybrids—which contain an extra electric motor and battery—tend to be heavier than their petrol counterparts.

    That’s why Tesla uses Li cobalt despite the huge cost of cobalt. It saves them 10% weight. Which translates to greater range. Carting around a tonne of battery is energy sapping. That’s why electric SUVs are a really stupid idea.

  190. Tom

    The food section of news.com reports that pineapple is the most frequently requested extra topping on pizza.
    And olives are the most frequently requested deletion.
    Finally, it’s taken years but people are finally relying on their taste buds instead of fashion to determine how they eat. A nice Jacobs Creek Shiraz Cabernet ($8 at Woolies) perfection!!!

    Bravo, Johno! Except for the bit about olives. I love ’em — pitted black Calamata olives. Mmmm.

    And forget about the Jacobs Creek. Dan Murphy’s has Ruperdink Mudrock’s favourite red, Rawson’s Retreat (Merlot, Cab Sav or Shiraz), for $7.99. The pizza food of champions!

  191. OldOzzie

    For Cat Tesla Tragics – WSJ Article

    Tesla’s Stock Boom: It’s OK to Miss Out

    While the car maker’s prospects have improved, there is no justification for the recent tear in the stock

    There are several good reasons to think Tesla Inc. TSLA 1.94% should be more valuable today than it was six months ago. But there aren’t any that justify its shares more than tripling in price since then, let alone its value rising and then falling by the equivalent of Ford Motor’s capitalization in a day.

    Tesla’s shares stabilized a bit on Thursday, trading up less than 2%, a relief for market reporters who had run out of superlatives to describe the frenzy.

    Just a few of the excesses: At its peak value of $174.7 billion on Tuesday, Tesla was the 30th-largest stock in the U.S. and by far the largest never to have made a full-year profit. Among the companies briefly smaller than Tesla in market capitalization were Citigroup and HSBC, two of the world’s biggest banks; burger chain McDonalds; and the entirety of the traditional U.S. car industry.

    More than $55 billion of Tesla stock was traded on Tuesday, more than the next 10 most-traded stocks put together—including technology giants Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft and Facebook.

    There is no plausible fundamental justification for any of this. Tesla didn’t suddenly prove it was on the road to high and sustainable profits, the competition didn’t collapse and CEO Elon Musk didn’t demonstrate a breakthrough technology. The good news in the last few months was that the Chinese production facility was up and running, the company doesn’t think it needs to raise money this year and the fourth quarter went better than expected.

    That justifies a bit more confidence that Tesla could succeed in becoming a profitable mass-market electric car maker, but such incremental improvement should justify only a slightly higher share price, not the ramp-up we have seen.

    What about technicals? If Tesla makes a profit in the first quarter—for what it’s worth, analysts expect a loss of a few cents per share—then Tesla will finally pass the S&P 500’s financial viability test, making a profit over both 12 months and the latest quarter.

    Given it is by far the biggest stock not in the benchmark, it has a good chance of being included in the index, prompting automatic buying by major index funds. Again, this could justify a pop in the price, perhaps as much as 5-7%, according to past academic studies. It doesn’t justify the price doubling in a month, as it did up to Tuesday, or indeed falling 17%, as it did on Wednesday.

    Desperate attempts by short sellers to buy stock to exit their positions are often behind such wild rises in share prices. The evidence on borrowed stock however doesn’t support the idea that Tesla was driven up by a short squeeze, according to analysts including Robert Sloan, founder and managing partner of S3 Partners, which collects data on the stock lending required for short selling.

    Instead, it seems to be about the close following Tesla stock has among individual investors. “It’s a very basic thing,” says Mr. Sloan. “This is the one stock where the average Joe says I’m smarter than the Street.”

    The crowd following Tesla is so big that the company kicks off its quarterly conference calls with questions from private investors, rather than the Wall Street analysts who are usually the only ones able to quiz a CEO.

    Mr. Musk is clear about his preference for private traders over bank analysts.

    “I do think that a lot of retail investors actually have deeper and more accurate insights than many of the big institutional investors and certainly better insight than many of the analysts,” he said on last month’s call.

    Yet, the volume in the stock suggests speculative day trading is dominating price moves. Individual investors don’t seem to be putting Tesla shares aside for the long run.

    “It’s very reminiscent of a number of stocks around 2000,” says James Clunie, whose mutual fund at Jupiter Asset Management has been mauled by its short position in Tesla recently. “Many of them vanished. A number went on to become winning companies—but you still lost money.”

    Mr. Clunie points to chip maker Qualcomm, one of the best-performing stocks in 1999’s dot-com bubble, before it burst in 2000. Qualcomm turned into a great success, but its shares only passed their January 2000 high for the first time three months ago.

    Tesla supporters think the stock market’s mistake was to price the stock far too cheaply last summer, rather than wildly overpricing it today.

    The biggest shareholder in Tesla is holding on to its position at the moment. James Anderson, head of global equities at Edinburgh’s Baillie Gifford, says he’s thrilled that his patience in sticking with Tesla has paid off. He argues that the recent Tesla news shifts the odds toward a greater chance that the company lives up to its potential, with evidence of a better competitive position and improved use of capital.

    For him, Baillie’s 7.7% stake in Tesla is a long-term bet on a move toward green technology, something that should be reflected in stock prices. “We think there’s a technological (and societal) revolution starting,” he told me this week. “On the one side Tesla is the early sign of financial frenzy associated with it, on the other isn’t it interesting that this has happened at the same time as collapsing oil equities?”

    I’m deeply skeptical that Tesla can generate enough profitable growth to justify a valuation of about 183 times this year’s forecast reported earnings of $4.10 per share.

    I expect fierce competition from traditional car makers to keep margins down, while I seriously doubt the prospects for a machine-learning breakthrough soon that allows Tesla to lead a self-driving revolution. As a result, of course, I have missed out on one of the biggest stock run-ups in history. I’m fine with that.

  192. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #3315730, posted on February 7, 2020 at 11:45 am

    San Francisco trash?

  193. Fisky

    Wow Shenzhen in lockdown is a big deal. Just like normal flu season, right Boris!

  194. Fisky

    A few more weeks of this and China is over. Finished.

  195. DrBeauGan

    Gab
    #3315488, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Heh heh heh no impeachment.
    Trump still President.
    Happy days 😆😊⭐🍾

    😄. + Lots!

  196. The Beer Whisperer

    For 18 months civilian life felt too alien to bear

    And there’s the rub. This explains why WWI and II vets didn’t suffer nearly as much on return to Australia. They didn’t receive hostility for risking their lives for their country.

    Numbnuts is drunk on stupidity.

  197. Shenzhen now in lockdown.

    Everything that the western peasant buys is manufactured in Shenzhen.
    We live in interesting times.

  198. OldOzzie

    calli
    #3315751, posted on February 7, 2020 at 12:03 pm
    only the best, brightest, and most articulate men may enter.

    And? Trump is none of those things?

    I do like the “men” bit. How old fashioned of “binders of women” Romney.

    Agreed – Golda Meir Israel, Indira Gandhi India and Maggie Thatcher UK

  199. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    加油中国!When the United States 2009 H1N1 swine flu emerged, an international emergency, a declared global pandemic, it eventually infected 60 million and initially killed a minimum of 18,449 cases that year. But the final story of the H1N1 global pandemic was far worse than that, with close to 300,000 deaths, according to the final tallies in 2012 reported by the CDC, as you will read below.

    Which is why I am scratching my head at how bizarrely negative forces are attacking China and Chinese people as it engages a remarkably aggressive front addressing this Corona virus outbreak which started in Wuhan, central China. I am forced to ask and answer a few questions.

    During 2009 H1N1 outbreak, I don’t recall xenophobic anti-America attacks across the globe, do you? In fact, do you recall it took six months for the U.S. to declare a national emergency? Did any government from the onset in April 2009 through the end in April 2010, including the month of June, when H1N1 was declared an international emergency global pandemic, then send out a notice to its citizens that they should leave the United States? Close their borders to American travelers? Nope, not a peep.

    From Linkedin.

  200. Bruce of Newcastle

    A few more weeks of this and China is over. Finished.

    If the beastie really is an escaped weaponized virus, this will go down in history as the biggest own goal ever. Darwin Award level.

  201. lotocoti

    China is finished.

    Nonsense.
    Nostradamus makes no mention of pink Tyvek suits.

  202. Confused Old Misfit

    Where’s Monty?

  203. So this virus is supposed to stay alive for a week by itself.
    Goods get shipped around the world within a week.
    Does that mean I shouldn’t touch my new refrigerator for a week?
    There is not much point in quarantining people if you don’t also quarantine goods.

  204. Arky

    Where’s Monty?

    ..
    Donuts are a known vector for coronavirus. It can live in chocolate icing with sprinkles for months.
    I fear the worst.

  205. Arky

    Does that mean I shouldn’t touch my new refrigerator for a week?

    ..
    At least delay sleeping with it for a week.

  206. Fisky

    I see JB is back running CCP talking points. Not good!

  207. feelthebern

    Not sure about the Shenzhen comments upthread.
    Apart from reduced intercity trains, it appears ok.
    According to my staff members family.

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    Beer virus.

    A just and fair punishment for a country (rather than a nation) that inflicted the eating of chook feet along with other unmentionable shit, all masquerading as something called ‘yum cha’ on the world.

    Reap the whirlwind, inscrutable dry cleaners.

    Reap it.

  209. Tailgunner

    Where’s Monty?

    He’ll be back on November 2nd.
    Won’t he??
    😄😄

  210. If the beastie really is an escaped weaponized virus, this will go down in history as the biggest own goal ever.

    Nope if it is an escaped weapon, there will be no one to write history.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    I see JB is back running CCP talking points. Not good!

    A desperate shill. Probably watching his investment in the CCP being flushed.

    “We build hospital 9 day. World number 1!! Hey Gweilo, you got spare mask?”

  212. feelthebern

    The photo of Sinodinos in the Oval Office is enough to make you vomit.
    Hopefully Trump will have very little to do with the little turd.

  213. Bruce of Newcastle

    A just and fair punishment for a country (rather than a nation) that inflicted the eating of chook feet

    I dunno KD. Bat soup does have its attractions.

    Swarm of 300,000 bats terrorise town forcing parents to take children out of school (6 Feb)

    Ingham, a small town in North Queensland, is on lockdown after more than 300,000 bats began to take up residence in the area’s trees. Children at Ingham State School are now too scared to make their way to classes as the major bat colony is just behind the building, with the creatures lying in wait at the location. Adam and Susanne Kaurila fear their daughters could get attacked by the disease-ridden animals.

    Just need some antivirals and it’d be a win-win.

  214. feelthebern

    I like deep fried chicken feet.
    I don’t like the gelatinous ones.

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    The West Australian’s running a front page pic of washed up Eagle Daniel Kerr conked out on a Kalgoorlie footpath with one of the local jacks standing over him. Kerr’s half in, half out of the gutter.

    The headline: ‘Daniel Kerrrrb’.

    Brilliant.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    That’s why Tesla uses Li cobalt despite the huge cost of cobalt. It saves them 10% weight. Which translates to greater range. Carting around a tonne of battery is energy sapping. That’s why electric SUVs are a really stupid idea.

    I guess an electric long-haul B-Double will have one trailer full of goods and another full of batteries?

  217. Infidel Tiger

    The photo of Sinodinos in the Oval Office is enough to make you vomit.
    Hopefully Trump will have very little to do with the little turd.

    I hope he is being clued up.
    First Downer and now Sinodinos.

  218. will

    stackja
    #3315492, posted on February 7, 2020 at 8:07 am
    Western Samoa and American Samoa are side by side islands in the Pacific. When the Spanish Flu arrived in 1918, one would instigate a quarantine while the other had a trading community that did not want to stop trade. American Samoa survived the Spanish Flu without a death. Western Samoa kept trading and lost a quarter of the population.

    Jo Nova

    so it comes down to how much is a human life worth, and should I make everyone considerably poorer for an extended period so as to save a few (or maybe more than a few, depending on population concentrations and dispersal) on the margins. I am sure the social and economic disruption of enforced quarantine is substantial, as is the economic cost.

  219. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just saw the photos in the paper of the
    Chinese “Australians”
    in quarantine on Christmas Island running around without masks on, completely against medical advice and instructions.
    Very disrespectful and retarded people.
    A disgrace!

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    BoN:

    Solution – rig a whole pile of Claymores in the offending trees. Bats fly off during installation, to return later. Weight of several hundred thousand bats bends branches, and KAFUCKINGBLAMMO.

    Bat free zone.

  221. Stimpson J. Cat

    A few more weeks of this and China is over. Finished.

    Also Australian Universities Fisk!

  222. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Photos emerge showing ex-AFL superstar Daniel Kerr unconscious on a street at 8am – as he says he planned to get a beer and breakfast at a pub but fell asleep outside

    Daniel Kerr was allegedly found on the road side unresponsive and intoxicated
    He dismissed concerns over the incident and called response ‘a bit of a joke’
    Image has emerged of Kerr on the ground as a police office stood over him
    The 36-year-old is the brother of international soccer superstar Sam Kerr

    Daily Mail. Category P.F.O. – Pi$$ed, Fell Over.

  223. calli

    Does that mean I shouldn’t touch my new refrigerator for a week?

    If it comes via Australian wharves you should be fine. 🤣

  224. Stimpson J. Cat

    Which is why I am scratching my head at how bizarrely negative forces are attacking China and Chinese people as it engages a remarkably aggressive front addressing this Corona virus outbreak which started in Wuhan, central China. I am forced to ask and answer a few questions.
    During 2009 H1N1 outbreak, I don’t recall xenophobic anti-America attacks across the globe, do you? In fact, do you recall it took six months for the U.S. to declare a national emergency? Did any government from the onset in April 2009 through the end in April 2010, including the month of June, when H1N1 was declared an international emergency global pandemic, then send out a notice to its citizens that they should leave the United States? Close their borders to American travelers? Nope, not a peep.

    Great question JB, thanks for asking.

    Let me explain.

    It’s because Americans don’t eat Cats, Dogs, and Bats.
    Hope that clears things up!

  225. miltonf

    Pelosi: from JFK to DJT- 60 years as a parasite on and wrecker of the American body politic. Her geriatric tantrum certainly showed her true colors.

  226. feelthebern

    Those idiot boomers on the cruise ship complaining about the government.
    Now complaining they are running out of life saving medicine.
    Here’s an idea retards.
    If it was so important, why didn’t you take more?

  227. Arky

    It’s because Americans don’t eat Cats, Dogs, and Bats.

    ..


  228. Where all of the “I’ll ride with you” people ?
    Are they riding with those in quarantine on Christmas Island?

  229. feelthebern

    Pelosi has dined out on the fact that she dined out on JFK’s taint for over half a century.

  230. mh

    Trump now into $1.60 with BetEasy.

  231. liliana

    It’s because Americans don’t eat Cats, Dogs, and Bats.

    Rats – you forgot the rats.

  232. Stimpson J. Cat

    Where all of the “I’ll ride with you” people ?
    Are they riding with those in quarantine on Christmas Island?

    I’m starting a new hash tag to raise awareness and support.

    #IllCleanWithYouAmyButInAHazmatSuit

  233. Danoz

    Here endeth the lesson Danoz.

    In your dreams, Cap’n Dickless Dannnn.

    As intimated previously, congratulations you have discovered one of the almost infinite pages on the internet that does not contain that post. Well done. Hey guess what? The post is also not on numberssucksdans8thdik.com either. So by your reckoning that would be a second, corroborating data point proving that the post does not exist.
    Unfortunately (for the rest of us) understanding logical fallacies is beyond you, so you are unable to comprehend that the absence of something in a specific place ≠ lack of existence. I don’t mind, I just pity you for having such a low intellect.

    Here endeth the lesson Danoz.

    Again, nope. As Mater had the good grace and patience with your low IQ to do your homework for you. Something I didn’t bother with. Sorry to make you have to do that Mater.

    Matrix Transform:

    Fact check: retard

    True!

    Serious question Cap’n Dickless Dan, don’t you ever tire of constantly being wrong?

  234. Fisky

    Reports of apartment lockdowns and major highways blocked into Shenzhen. Luckily this city is irrelevant to international trade.

  235. 8th Dan

    The photo of Sinodinos in the Oval Office is enough to make you vomit.

    Arthur would fit right in there. Hope he is doing ok health-wise. Winter in America is cold … and he needs to avoid getting one. For someone who is immuno-compromised post-SCT the common cold soon leads to RSV soon leads to community acquired pneumonia and essential hospitalization. n-coronavirus could be disastrous for him.

  236. 🎸🤘🎼🎵♬

    We’ve got to move these refrigerators,
    we’ve got to move these color TVs …

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