Wednesday Forum: February 26, 2020

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  1. Old School Conservative

    Thank you ML.
    I for one was struggling to understand that tweet stream.

  2. Arky

    Goldfinger Goebbels isn’t staying on the last page.
    From half hour in:
    ..


  3. Porter

    Shorter Raelene Castle: we police your religious views. That’s what it’s about.

  4. Confused Old Misfit

    So, I guess that the history of the Holocaust will not include the pictures and film footage that were presented to my high school history class. Pity.

  5. Porter

    Should we post a few bible verses about gluttony to Raelene?

  6. Old School Conservative

    But he made a comment that was insulting.

    So an alleged “insult” led to many months of angry recriminations within the rugby community, the suspension then sacking of one our best players, a permanent loss to Australian rugby, internal disharmony amongst the team, a huge loss at the world’s premier rugby event, and a $3.1 million financial and apologetic backdown from Rugby Australia.
    Well done Raelene, well done. At least you have a fall back job waiting for you at Qantas.

  7. Roger

    “I’m on public record saying I’m proud of the fact that Israel was a strongly Christian man…”

    She’s also on record saying parts of the Bible are hate speech.

    Either she’s a very confused lady or her relationship with the truth is slippery.

    Meanwhile, incoming locum tenens chair Paul McLean thinks she’s “done a great job”. Given the state of Australian rugby one wonders what his benchmark is.

  8. Arky

    Trump needs to embrace the likelyhood of a severe outbreak in the USA.
    Firstly, it’s the right thing to do to allow people to prepare.
    Secondly, it’s politically advantageous: It lets him off the hook for the coming recession, after all the bullshitting he did pumping up stocks.
    Thirdly, it will wrong foot the media whores who are frothing to hang the whole thing around his neck.
    Task your underlings to get diagnostic testing out there ASAP and start bulk testing.
    Close the borders.

  9. Some History

    A word from Lil Mike Bloomborgchen.

    Can anyone lip read?

    https://imgur.com/zl4F8va

  10. cohenite

    New petition:

    In light of the recent murder of Hannah Clarke and her three beautiful children by their father, we say enough is enough. It’s time that the government makes a meaningful and immediate change by outlawing controlling behaviours that lead to violent tragedies. That’s why I’m calling to make coercive control illegal.
    Coercive control is described as a wide range of controlling behaviours that one person commits against another person (usually a current or former intimate partner). These behaviours collectively strip the other person of their autonomy and sense of self-worth.
    This typically involves some or all of the following: physical violence, intimidation, degradation, isolation and regulation. Some coercive control behaviours are already illegal, but not enough are.
    Coercive control can take many forms, all of them doing harm and laying the foundation for further violence. For example, some offenders have:
    -threatened to expose private photographs of their partner or ex-partner
    -prevented their partner from ending the relationship by threatening to, or actually engaging in, self-harm
    – confiscated or destroyed their partner’s mobile phone
    -deleted all male contacts on their partner’s social media
    -threatened to or actually harmed their partner’s pets
    -demanded that their partner eat certain foods
    -demanded that their partner sleep on the floor
    -prohibited their partner from seeking or continuing employment
    -controlled their partner’s finances, with one giving his partner an allowance out of her own income
    -conducted regular inspections of their partner’s home or body for evidence of infidelity.

    For all the work that has been done to end family violence in recent years, it is surprising to note that most of the above behaviours – with the exception of actual or threatened physical violence and stalking – are not criminal. The only way these violent behaviours are at all illegal are when an individual has been issued an intervention or protection order – but what message does it send to victims if the abuse they suffer is only criminal if it violates a court order? We have seen the horrific reaction some violent partners have to an AVO. We need to get in early, and prevent things escalating to tragedy by making coercive control illegal.

  11. Roger

    threatened to or actually harmed their partner’s pets

    Yes, I’ve warned my sons about bunny boilers.

  12. Mother Lode

    Castle is one of these people whose strikingly ugly appearance masks an even uglier character.

    In her innermost soul is an eternal spring of ugliness. It wells up, filling every nook and cranny on the way, until it reaches the surface where it spreads and drenches everything about her and everything she touches, on its slow but unceasing flow downwards, outwards, and upwards toward the very ends of the universe.

  13. bespoke

    No one will care about one less Model A, It’s had a good run but well past it’s usefulness and should go quietly with what little dignity it has left. 😎

  14. Roger

    AVERAGE SUPER RUGBY ATTENDANCE IN AUSTRALIA

    2015 season — 16,898

    2016 season — 14,787

    2017 season — 11,434

    2018 season — 11,004

    2019 season — 11,300

    2020 season — 7324

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    Vicki, 11.58;

    ‘The question is whether the general public understands, or agrees with the rigorous protocols’

    The general public has to neither understand nor agree with anything of the sort. Because they’re not doing it. It’s not a popularity contest.

    ‘Few would oppose the general concept of individual responsibility in combat formulated in modern times.’

    I would oppose that. Hand to hand combat, aside from the implements involved has not structurally changed since the Iron Age. In these ‘modern times’ very few punters are in the middle of such situations by accident.

    ‘Rogue combatants who deliberately and callously take the lives of civilians must not be allowed to operate within the special forces’

    Define ‘rogue’, ‘callously’ and ‘special forces’ . Where do we put the rogues then? In with the cooks and the storemen?

    Now I may have taken this the wrong way, but it smacks of the pinhead wearing braid not so long ago who said we must only use violence with compassion and humility, or some equivalent nonsense.

    ‘Rogue’ soldiers have in every era except this one have been identified at the time, shopped by their fellow diggers and either pinched and imprisoned then and there, or shot.

    There’s a book I recently read that vividly details the requirements of survival in combat. Major-General (ARES) Brereton and his travelling band of gongbangers would do well to read it.

    ‘Lethality in Combat’ by a contributor here.

  16. Old School Conservative

    That petition says “all men are bastards”.
    Although I do like the one about outlawing veganism.
    (demanded that their partner eat certain foods)

  17. EvilElvis

    This is a slow, tentative reach out…

    Am I in purgatory or…

    Am I back?…

  18. mh

    LA and San Fransisco should be quarantined.

    Permanently.

  19. EvilElvis

    Purgatory it is! 😂 It’s dark in here, will I bump into none? Or am I alone? This hessian sack is a bit damp and smokey smelling though, poor show old chap.

  20. 1735099

    Not asking much, am I?

    You’re asking for education to be taken back to the days when most kids left school at age 15, there were enough entry level jobs available, and you could get by with a reading age of 10.

    The problem is not the education system.

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘conducted regular inspections of their partner’s home or body for evidence of infidelity’

    Enough.

    Enough of this stupid petition. We already have laws for all this shit. If they’re not enforced and/or subject to sufficient penalty, take it up with the judiciary.

    The last thing necessary is yet another layer of emotion-based legislation.

  22. bespoke

    KD

    I you would oppose indiscriminate killing of civilians.

  23. Geriatric Mayfly

    And yet another one for The Hunchback to with alacrity. Oh! And don’t forget to jam it into the correct box in the political blame game.

    The head of Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital Emergency Department has called out as “racism” the refusal of families to have their children treated by Asian staff members amid fears of a coronavirus pandemic hitting Australia.

  24. Geriatric Mayfly

    ‘attend with alacrity.’

  25. 1735099

    Rogue soldiers have in every era except this one have been identified at the time, have been shopped by their fellow diggers

    Two things – “at the time” became “years after the event”.
    And
    “Fellow diggers” became “Members of rival units”.
    Both these factors are products of a modern “elite” ADF, where career progression and inter unit rivalry trump everything else.

  26. C.L.

    Wheelchair in a pond murderer Peter Dansie sentenced to prison for the rest of his miserable life in Cairns.

  27. bespoke

    there were enough entry level jobs available

    There is but now you need cirt#

  28. Turnip

    Calli

    I played your Koel video…only for one of the buggers to answer…..thanks!

  29. Geriatric Mayfly

    For example, some offenders have: etc etc etc

    All looks very suburban. How many of these damning examples can be applied to remote Aboriginal ‘communities.’ Things out there a fairly direct and waste less time.

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Those coercive behaviours all require a level of agreement to engage with them.

    Standing firm against them from the start, and/or removing oneself from a coercive environment is the only answer. AVO’s should provide more protection than they do, but they should also not be backed by the ability to make them lightly. The whole thing is a minefield of unintended consequences. Early interventions in cases of marital disputes, by family members and through availability of experienced counselling, is one way out.

    Blaming men as ‘toxic’ is no answer at all.

  31. Delta A

    cohenite
    #3336583, posted on February 27, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    New petition:

    In the interest of equality, a supplementary petition to enforce all females to adopt basic self preservation by:

    1. avoiding all men who display violent and aggressive behaviours… yes, even that cute bad boy with the multi tats

    2. avoiding dangerous situations and environments

    3. avoiding unwanted attention by dressing and behaving appropriately

    4. leaving an abusive relationship at the first sign of violence, reporting the perpetrator and severing all contact

  32. Steve trickler

    Everyone, meet Bubbles.



  33. bespoke

    7. don’t involve your partner in disputes unless something needs to be done and share the consequences.

  34. No Fixed Address:

    Honest question.
    How do you, BorisG, define a communist?

    The Halo of Smug is the usual giveaway.

  35. JC

    5. don’t nag

    No, it should be

    5. No nagging and no lip.

  36. Twostix

    “My beautiful mother belonged to three vulnerable groups — she had a disability, she was elderly, and she was a victim of domestic violence.

    “Yet she managed to fall through all of the supposed safety nets, this isn’t good enough.

    Nice job, son.

    And what about you?

  37. calli

    calli
    #3336533, posted on February 27, 2020 at 12:14 pm

    As ever, the devil will be in the details.
    But you would prefer the matter not be included in the curriculum at all?

    To be honest, Misfit, I thought it would already form a couple of lessons in Modern History class. As part of the Rise of Totalitarianism. That’s where it was when last I opened a history text book.

    My first introduction was not a formal one. It was via a friend who had no extended family. They had all perished. I didn’t even know she was a J-w. I was only ten, and my innocence was not compromised by oodles of terrifying pictures and tales. Later, in high school, I learned all I needed to know.

  38. Twostix

    A lot of families offloading their burden of guilt onto the government right now.

  39. Arky

    Occidental Petroleum probably should not have done a very lucrative deal for Warren Buffet in order to borrow enough cash to splurge massively on shale oil fields.
    May be one of the worst timed moves in the history of oil.

  40. calli

    -threatened to expose private photographs of their partner or ex-partner
    -prevented their partner from ending the relationship by threatening to, or actually engaging in, self-harm
    – confiscated or destroyed their partner’s mobile phone
    -deleted all male or female contacts on their partner’s social media
    -threatened to or actually harmed their partner’s pets
    -demanded that their partner eat certain foods
    -demanded that their partner sleep on the floor
    -prohibited their partner from seeking or continuing employment
    -controlled their partner’s finances, with one giving his or her partner an allowance out of their own income
    -conducted regular inspections of their partner’s home or body for evidence of infidelity.

    With the obvious corrections to assumed gender, they will discover what many already know – women indulge in coercive behaviour too.

    Good for them. Many tyrannical females will be caught in the net.

  41. Old Ozzie:

    The snarling incoherence of the latest Democratic presidential debate Tuesday evening made it painfully hard to follow. But in its own way, the encounter perfectly crystallized the twin strategic challenges facing the party.

    Election theatre.
    The nominee will be Hillary.

  42. JC

    Something to chew on.

    China’s economy will bounce back from the coronavirus and grow 15% in the second quarter on a quarter-on-quarter, annualized basis, JPMorgan Chase’s Joseph Lupton told CNBC on Wednesday.

    Lupton, a global economist for the bank, said on “Squawk Box” he is projecting negative 4% growth for the first quarter, when the coronavirus outbreak brought much of China’s economy to a halt.

    “It’s not just looking at things still depressed. It’s looking at where the bottom is and are we starting to march our way upward?” Lupton said.

    Lupton said 15% quarter-on-quarter annualized growth could be possible, in part, by the depths of the first-quarter decline. “If you get a rebound that’s happening, even if you’re still down 30%, if you were down 50%, that’s a 20 percentage point move that actually starts to impact growth not just in the second quarter but even in the late first quarter,” he said.

    I’m still short the aussie, but took back my short in Carnival and my TZA long.

    My investment account is an abortion, but I made some decent money in my trading account during the corona swirl.

  43. cohenite

    Steve trickler
    #3336603, posted on February 27, 2020 at 1:16 pm
    Judge Amy Berman Jackson Confronted At Federal Courthouse For Rigging Stone Jury
    AJ is going off!

    You’ve got to admire the guy.

  44. notafan

    How does a murder victim ‘fall through nets’?

    There is only one person responsible for what happened, and that was her husband.

  45. Thefrollickingmole

    Lizzie.
    Stats are restraining orders are about 80% effective as granted.
    Another 15% or so require a visit or 2 from the cops or similar to pull their heads in.
    That leaves a feral 5% or so.

    The man haters want those unteachables to be treated as the “norm” for how family violence is treated.
    The existing system is open to abuse by the complaining party, but during my jp training and practice you almost always granted the order after trying to be assured the order wouldn’t make the situation worse. ( eg a family curled where the persecutors switched to the complainants daughters as their targets)

    It’s a massive restriction on the persons liberty to have an order against them and also has a very low burden of proof.
    Best option would be to have a 2nd tier avo which would require more proof but also be more coercive on the person accused.

  46. notafan

    People in the olden days left school at 15 with reading ages of ten.

    Evidence?

    And by what standard?

    I suspect many current year 12 students have ‘reading ages of 10’.

  47. Fisky

    Trump needs to protect his downside a lot more than this. Yes, close the borders. But also, Bernie is going to have a field day with his Medicare for All platform if there is a serious outbreak. So the government needs to look a lot more serious about this thing.

    Also, you can bet that the PRC are doing their best to send infected people into the US.

  48. Mother Lode

    People in the olden days left school at 15 with reading ages of ten.

    Whatever it was it was apparently also the reading age of 15 – since that was the age they were.

    Unless the point is that a minority of people who left school at 15 had the reading age of 10.

    So what is the solution then? More years at school?

  49. JC

    You’ve got to admire the guy.

    Doofus, Jones starts the vid standing in armored car contraption, talking through a microphone mouthing off about that putrid judge.

    This appears perfectly normal to you?

    In case anyone missed it:

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5e56c7faaacfc1001e813a5a

  50. Both these factors are products of a modern “elite” ADF, where career progression and inter unit rivalry trump everything else.

    I believe you are right. And we are probably going to see some shocking outcomes of this witch hunt.

  51. Twostix

    Theres not a child in Australia that doesn’t know about Hitler and what he did. Both from school and the pop culture. “Latest calls” for ever more emotionally manipulative programs to be rammed down aussie kids throats are becoming cultish and veering into abusive at this point. Particularly pushing this stuff over the top in Australia which had nothing what-so-ever to do with any of it.

    More educational is introducing teaching about the Japenese in China, Holomodor and African genocides alongside the already saturation coverage of the holocaust.

  52. Mother Lode

    Some people have the political intelligence of kindergarteners.

    “He’s got more! It’s not fair! Make him give me some!”

    “I don’t want to do it! It’s too hard! Why don’t you do it! I HATE YOU!!!”

  53. Confused Old Misfit

    Calli:

    I thought it would already form a couple of lessons in Modern History class

    I would have thought the same.
    But, as has been made clear to me, there is little faith, at least in this electronic community, that the Holocaust, as taught to you and me, will not resemble what is to be taught to today’s children/young adults.

  54. candy

    This typically involves some or all of the following: physical violence, intimidation, degradation, isolation and regulation. Some coercive control behaviours are already illegal, but not enough are.

    I think that petition describes a psychopath who is manipulating a partner with a low sense of self-esteem and self-worth. They seek out partners they can manipulate.
    Good self esteem comes mostly from good parenting, and I think especially for girls a good, steady sensible dad is the best thing.

  55. Old Ozzie:

    Nowhere is this better demonstrated than the worst defence contract in the history of the natio­n. If it does nothing else in the national interest, the Morrison government would be wise to tear up the existing submarine contract and push the parliament to end the moratorium on a nuclea­r industry in Australia.

    When the $A goes through 62 cents US, the cost will hit $A300 Billion.
    Won’t that be a kick in the guts!

  56. Now I may have taken this the wrong way, but it smacks of the pinhead wearing braid not so long ago who said we must only use violence with compassion and humility, or some equivalent nonsense.

    Knuckle Dragger, you have indeed taken this the wrong way. There is no one who supports our military forces, and our Special Forces, as much as I do. I have written publicly of the injustice (particularly to the families of the accused) of the “leaked” information by Chris Masters et al. re the supposed war crimes of our special forces in Afghanistan.

    I was forecasting the sort of arguments (the Nuremburg decisions etc), and particularly the “Woke” arguments, that will issue from all quarters of the media & social media condemning any and all actions that resulted in civilian casualties. Of course, that position is untenable in many combat conditions. But you watch them push that argument to the point of destruction of the viability of “special forces”.

  57. JC

    I watched a good part of the debate and here’s my take.

    Berine looked like an angry old man who’s always yelling and screaming while making little sense.
    Pocahontas looked like a liar and an embittered woman. Totally dishonest.
    Sleepy Joe should be in a nursing home due to the onset of dementia.
    Powerpoint Pete looked terrible and couldn’t make any headway. Everyone simply spoke over him.
    Amy is useless
    Tom Styer has a very high pitched voice verging on feminine.

    Bloombox came over better than the first debate.

  58. cohenite

    Best option would be to have a 2nd tier avo which would require more proof but also be more coercive on the person accused.

    Correct; plus provable fact avos such as violence, gross intimidation, vandalism, kidnapping kids bring automatic kicks up the arse and a bit of jail time. The accusative avos though are a blight.

  59. Thefrollickingmole

    I’d actually not let 1st tier avos be used in court as proof of anything beyond a broken down relationship.
    At the moment they seem to be treated as factual despite the actual evidence ( unless there have been police interventions or similar) being one sworn statement.

  60. cohenite

    This appears perfectly normal to you?

    STFU head prefect; don’t think I missed your little wise guy stunt last night. I’m watching you cigar man. In the meantime to show there’s no hard feelings here’s a couple of interesting book titles for you:

    Clowns for Jesus
    Help Lord, the Devil wants me fat: a scriptural approach to a trim and attractive body

  61. Bruce Of Newcastle:

    Iran claimed this week to have invented a new testing kit independent of China, where the virus originated, that it has been using to confirm if individuals with symptoms of viral infection are indeed carrying it.

    The kit, costing 11 rials, is guaranteed to give a negative result if you are devout.
    Inshallah.

  62. Mother Lode

    Iran claimed this week to have invented a new testing kit independent of China

    Have they blamed Israel yet?

  63. Steve trickler

    A great highlight package of the recent DEM debate.



  64. Bruce of Newcastle:

    If you win you will receive a slow golf clap from Hillary.

    At least that would be better than a fast cigar clap from her old man…

  65. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Steve trickler at 2:43 pm:

    “A great highlight package of the recent DEM debate.”

    I suggest you watch that video only if you are prepared to put up with a wholly unnecessary commentary by a yank with a BIG LOUD VOICE YELLING AT YOU and giggling like a teenager.

  66. Bubbles:

    What is the SEQ bird that has a mournful, drawn-out wail for a call?

    That would be the gillard mallard, Bubbles.
    A creature of the billabong, known for its extravagant maroon plumage and its white picket fences.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3336691, posted on February 27, 2020 at 2:42 pm
    Iran claimed this week to have invented a new testing kit independent of China

    Have they blamed Israel yet?”

    I am yet to hear…inevitable though. They love blaming those evil Jooos for everything…just like own resident anti-Semite loves blaming Jooos.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Best option would be to have a 2nd tier avo which would require more proof but also be more coercive on the person accused.
    Correct; plus provable fact avos such as violence, gross intimidation, vandalism, kidnapping kids bring automatic kicks up the arse and a bit of jail time. The accusative avos though are a blight.

    Agree with all of the above. Accusative AVOs are the ones that set guys off badly because on top of the marriage falling apart they feel they are being unfairly treated, which under this sort of AVO they often are. It’s true they may have been yelling and acting up, but most guys know when they have done something really bad. A listening ear for these guys given Accusative AVO’s would probably serve well to defuse a lot of the initial anger and bring patience to the table. The possibility of removing the kids to State care if women (or men) were being recalcitrant re shared care would also be a good move to bring in, as a means of telling female entitlement (or male hubris) to take a tumble.

    A Second Tier AVO is the one that couldn’t be self-excused or denied. Other men would have a role to tell guys subject to this sort of AVO to take a good look at themselves and behave. So would the police.

  69. Mother Lode

    I am yet to hear…inevitable though.

    They are wonderfully inventive within the narrow confines of their obsessions.

    They would believe Israel is sending specially trained lice to infest their armpits and report back the conversations if you told them.

    Oh, and the lice hid one of their shoes.

  70. Diogenes

    I suspect many current year 12 students have ‘reading ages of 10’.

    I teach a class of 15 year 11s. According to their year 9 Naplan results, they have a reading age of between 10 and 12.

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    On the above, both men and women can be violent. That’s a given. It’s not allowed.

    As for acting up, yelling and shrieking, both men and women can do this too. It is very bad for the children.
    Calm the fuck down, says Aunty or Grannie Lizzie when confronted with this happening quite a bit with rellies of various sorts. Mostly they do when the fount of all wisdom says this, holding her wallet.

  72. Mother Lode

    Surely the first plank of any serious strategy addressing domestic violence must be better forest management.

  73. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Pakistan, Georgia, Norway, Macedonia, Greece and Romania are among countries to report their first case of coronavirus in the last day.

  74. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    New Zealand’s economy is facing a “serious impact” from the virus, according to the finance minister.

    The country’s lucrative tourism industry is reliant on Chinese visitors – they spend around NZ$180m a month during the peak holiday period – but they have dried up as flights have been suspended.

    Exports such as timber and food have also suffered.

  75. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    not good

    NHK is reporting that a Japanese woman who was treated for Covid-19, confirmed as virus-free, and left hospital earlier this month has since retested positive for the disease.

    According to the report, the woman is a tour-guide in her 40s, in the city of Osaka.

    She began feeling throat and chest pain about two weeks after leaving hospital, and after several visits to doctors, retested positive for the illness, NHK said.

  76. Steve trickler

    Mick Gold Coast [email protected]:48 pm

    He’s pretty sharp. Suss him out. He’s on the tightrope at the moment with Gulag just wanting an excuse to flick him.

  77. Roger

    So what is the solution then? More years at school?

    When I was in primary school there was a week towards the end of the school year when every student had to go to the headmaster’s office and read from a book presented to them. Any boy who wasn’t reading at the appropriate level had their progress to the next grade closely scrutinised. I suppose these days principals have more important administrative matters to attend to.

  78. Have the the raw AVO data been homogenized and quality adjusted yet?

  79. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    korea losing control

    334 new cases in South Korea
    South Korea’s centre for disease control has reported a further 334 new cases of Covid-19, bringing the total to 1,595 in the worst outbreaks outside of mainland China.

    307 of the new cases are in Daegu, where the church at the centre of the country’s outbreak is located.

  80. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Saudi Arabia has suspended religious tourists from entering the country. A government statement said it was: “Suspending entry into the Kingdom for the purpose of Umrah and visiting the Prophet’s Mosque temporarily.”

    It also said it was suspending entry to the Kingdom for for “those coming from countries in which the spread of the with tourist visas for those coming from countries in which the new Corona virus (19-COVID) poses a risk”.

  81. areff

    Whoever claimed my parents’ generation left school with a reading level of ten hasn’t picked up a copy of the old Victorian School Reader of late. This little piece (below) was read by 11-year-olds, if memory serves. (too busy just at the moment to dig up a pdf, but it was published in the Reader under the title ‘The Origin of Roast Pork’; these days the title would be, in the interest of advancing multiculturalism, ‘Yummy, Bat Guts for Dinner’) Full piece can be read here: https://www.bartleby.com/380/prose/491.html

    I’ll take the liberty of reproducing below most of Charles Lamb’s investigation of Chinamen and crackling. Today’s HSC kiddies wouldn’t have a clue

    __________________________________________
    A Dissertation Upon Roast Pig
    By Charles Lamb (1775–1834)

    MANKIND, says a Chinese manuscript, which my friend M. was obliging enough to read and explain to me, for the first seventy thousand ages ate their meat raw, clawing or biting it from the living animal, just as they do in Abyssinia to this day. This period is not obscurely hinted at by their great Confucius in the second chapter of his “Mundane Mutations,” where he designates a kind of golden age by the term Chofang, literally the Cook’s Holiday. The manuscript goes on to say that the art of roasting, or rather broiling (which I take to be the elder brother), was accidentally discovered in the manner following. The swine-herd, Ho-ti, having gone out into the woods one morning, as his manner was, to collect mast for his hogs, left his cottage in the care of his eldest son, Bo-bo, a great lubberly boy, who, being fond of playing with fire, as younkers of his age commonly are, let some sparks escape into a bundle of straw which, kindling quickly, spread the conflagration over every part of their poor mansion, till it was reduced to ashes. Together with the cottage (a sorry antediluvian make-shift of a building, you may think it), what was of much more importance, a fine litter of new-farrowed pigs, no less than nine in number, perished. 1

    China pigs have been esteemed a luxury all over the East, from the remotest periods that we read of. Bo-bo was in the utmost consternation, as you may think, not so much for the sake of the tenement, which his father and he could easily build up again with a few dry branches, and the labour of an hour or two, at any time, as for the loss of the pigs. While he was thinking what he should say to his father, and wringing his hands over the smoking remnants of one of those untimely sufferers, an odour assailed his nostrils, unlike any scent which he had before experienced. What could it proceed from? Not from the burnt cottage: he had smelt that smell before; indeed this was by no means the first accident of the kind which had occurred through the negligence of this unlucky young firebrand. Much less did it resemble that of any known herb, weed, or flower. A premonitory moistening at the same time overflowed his nether lip. He knew not what to think. He next stooped down to feel the pig, if there were any signs of life in it. He burnt his fingers, and to cool them he applied them in his booby fashion to his mouth. Some of the crumbs of the scorched skin had come away with his fingers, and for the first time in his life (in the world’s life, indeed, for before him no man had known it) he tasted—crackling! Again he felt and fumbled at the pig. It did not burn him so much now; still he licked his fingers from a sort of habit. The truth at length broke into his slow understanding, that it was the pig that smelt so, and the pig that tasted so delicious; and, surrendering himself up to the new-born pleasure, he fell to tearing up whole handfuls of the scorched skin with the flesh next it, and was cramming it down his throat in his beastly fashion, when his sire entered amid the smoking rafters, armed with retributory cudgel, and finding how affairs stood, began to rain blows upon the young rogue’s shoulders, as thick as hailstones, which Bo-bo heeded not any more than if they had been flies. The tickling pleasure, which he experienced in his lower regions, had rendered him quite callous to any inconveniences he might feel in those remote quarters. His father might lay on, but he could not beat him from his pig, till he had fairly made an end of it, when, becoming a little more sensible of his situation, something like the following dialogue ensued: 2

    “You graceless whelp, what have you got there devouring? Is it not enough that you have burnt me down three houses with your dog’s tricks,—and be hanged to you!—but you must be eating fire, and I know not what! What have you got there, I say?” 3

    “Oh, father, the pig, the pig! Do come and taste how nice the burnt pig eats.” 4

    The ears of Ho-ti tingled with horror. He cursed his son, and he cursed himself, that ever he should beget a son that should eat burnt pig. 5

    Bo-bo, whose scent was wonderfully sharpened since morning, soon raked out another pig, and fairly rending it asunder, thrust the lesser half by main force into the fists of Ho-ti, still shouting out, “Eat, eat, eat the burnt pig, father! Only taste! Oh, Lord!” with such-like barbarous ejaculations, cramming all the while as if he would choke. 6

    Ho-ti trembled in every joint while he grasped the abominable thing, wavering whether he should put his son to death for an unnatural young monster, when the crackling scorching his fingers, as it had done his son’s and applying the same remedy to them, he in his turn tasted some of its flavour, which, make what sour mouths he would for pretence, proved not altogether displeasing to him. In conclusion (for the manuscript here is a little tedious), both father and son fairly sat down to the mess, and never left off till they had despatched all that remained of the litter. 7

    Bo-bo was strictly enjoined not to let the secret escape, for the neighbours would certainly have stoned them for a couple of abominable wretches, who could think of improving upon the good meat which God had sent them. Nevertheless, strange stories got about. It was observed that Ho-ti’s cottage was burnt down now more frequently than ever. Nothing but fires from this time forward. Some would break out in broad day, others in the night-time. As often as the sow farrowed, so sure was the house of Ho-ti to be in a blaze: and Ho-ti himself, which was the more remarkable, instead of chastising his son, seemed to grow more indulgent to him than ever. At length they were watched, the terrible mystery discovered, and father and son summoned to take their trial at Pekin, then an inconsiderable assize town. Evidence was given, the obnoxious food itself produced in court, and verdict about to be pronounced, when the foreman of the jury begged that some of the burnt pig, of which the culprits stood accused, might be handed into the box. He handled it, and they all handled it; and burning their fingers, as Bo-bo and his father had done before them, and nature prompting to each of them the same remedy, against the face of all the facts, and the clearest charge which judge had ever given—to the surprise of the whole court, townsfolk, strangers, reporters, and all present—without leaving the box, or any manner of consultation whatever, they brought in a simultaneous verdict of not guilty. 8

    The judge, who was a shrewd fellow, winked at the manifest iniquity of the decision; and when the court was dismissed, went privily, and bought up all the pigs that could be had for love or money. In a few days his lordship’s townhouse was observed to be on fire. The thing took wing, and now there was nothing to be seen but fires in every direction. Fuel and pigs grew enormously dear all over the district. The insurance-offices one and all shut up shop. People built slighter and slighter every day, until it was feared that the very science of architecture would in no long time be lost to the world. Thus this custom of firing houses continued, till in process of time, says my manuscript, a sage arose, like our Locke, who made a discovery, that the flesh of swine, or indeed of any other animal, might be cooked (burnt, as they called it) without the necessity of consuming a whole house to dress it. Then first began the rude form of a gridiron. Roasting by the string, or spit, came in a century or two later, I forget in whose dynasty. By such slow degrees, concludes the manuscript, do the most useful, and seemingly the most obvious arts, make their way among mankind. 9

    Without placing too implicit faith in the account above given, it must be agreed, that if a worthy pretext for so dangerous an experiment as setting houses on fire (especially in these days) could be assigned in favour of any culinary object, that pretext and excuse might be found in ROAST PIG. 10

    Of all the delicacies in the whole mundus edibilis, I will maintain it to be the most delicate—princeps obsoniorum. 11
    I speak not of your grown porkers—things between pig and pork—those hobbydehoys—but a young and tender suckling—under a moon old—guiltless as yet of the sty—with no original speck of the amor immunditiæ, the hereditary failing of the first parent, yet manifest—his voice as yet not broken, but something between a childish treble and a grumble—the mild forerunner, or præludium, of a grunt. 12

    He must be roasted. I am not ignorant that our ancestors ate them seethed, or boiled—but what a sacrifice of the exterior tegument! 13 …..

  82. Struth

    Bloody hell the dems are a mess of arrogant, dumb, bad mannered shit.

    One bloke fought them and destroyed them.
    One bloke, no fucking help from the scum in the republican swamp.
    One bloke.
    What a time to be alive, while we see how it could be, we instead, lethargically , let our country slide now irreversibly to Venustraya, similarly full of natural wealth and destroyed by traitors we allowed , indeed empowered to destroy us.
    Gutless is not an apt enough nor hard enough adjective.

    When our own childen are being brainwashed to take to the steets in fear and no one in this shit hole looks at the adults in education that did this to them, and talks about what the children “think” instead, we ae neither bright enough, or in possession of enough integrity to deserve to live in freedom in a western nation.
    And incrementally we no longer are.
    Get fucked Australia, you godless, lazy cretins.

  83. Mark from Melbourne

    I watched a good part of the debate and here’s my take.

    Decent summary, JC.

    Brokered convention, here we come.

    Does Bloombox have the clout (financial or otherwise) to get it done behind closed doors?

    Still on Michele O myself, but starting to get a bit wary…

  84. Cassie of Sydney

    The Mocker is on fire today….and doesn’t miss a beat….

    “Audiences have had a gutful of incessant pontificating and virtue signalling of actors

    While normally not one to believe conspiracy theories, I sometimes muse there is a secret and sinister political movement that over many years has infiltrated our creative and performing arts industry and now controls it. Its members are actors, writers and singers, and they range from the highest paid celebrities to those struggling to make a name for themselves.

    If there is such a movement, its methodology is to subject audiences and the wider community to incessant pontificating and displays of virtue, the aim being to elect and defend centre-right governments worldwide. You read that correctly. Conservatives are massively indebted to celebrities for sabotaging so-called progressive causes.

    You probably thought Hollywood is a hive of leftist activism, that writers’ festivals are an imbibing of wokeism, and that concerts take the form of endless social justice homilies, interrupted only by the occasional song. If so, you failed to look beyond the superficial. While ostensibly supporting movements that the left holds dear, these artists use self-ridicule not only to discredit themselves, but everyone associated with the cause in question.

    When Sir Elton John paused his concert in Verona, Italy, last year to rage against the evils of Brexit, he personified the petulance of Remainers. “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done,” he wailed. “It’s torn people apart … I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”

    Not so ashamed, apparently, that he would surrender his knighthood, together with its connotations of a colonialist and imperialist country of old. Only months later Britain’s conservative government, led by prime minister Boris Johnson, won a landslide victory under a Brexit banner.

    As for US president Donald Trump, the celebrities who so loudly opposed his election in 2016 are doing their best to ensure he is given a second term. To acknowledge all of them would be too massive a task. Two warrant special mention: first: actor Robert De Niro, who announced in a choreographed scene just before the 2016 election that he wanted to “punch” Trump in the face.

    Actor Robert De Niro says Donald Trump is a national disgrace and he’d like to punch him in the face. Courtesy: AP

    It reeked of De Niro trying to trade on his onscreen tough guy persona, and merely highlighted the Democrats’ bluster and impotence.

    The other is singer and actor Bette Midler. When she’s not tweeting foul-mouthed insults to Republican supporters, she composes what can only be described as erotic Vogon poetry as she speculates about Trump’s sex life.

    Bette Midler

    @BetteMidler
    There once was a girl from Slovenia
    Who now lives right on Pennsylvinia
    To the East Room she’ll flee
    From her husband’s wee wee
    While he plays with his own schizophrenia

    It is behaviour that is imbecilic, pathetic and counterproductive. Given Midler’s abysmal record in trying to unseat Trump, prime minister Scott Morrison is unlikely to be fazed to learn that last month she questioned his leadership, as well as labelling him an “idiot” and a “f**kwit”.

    Bette Midler

    @BetteMidler
    Pity the poor #Australians, their country ablaze, and their rotten @ScottMorrisonMP saying, “This is not the time to talk about Climate Change. We have to grow our economy.” What an idiot. What good is an economy in an uninhabitable country? Lead, you fuckwit!!

    As for Australia, we too have a tradition of celebrities lending their support to causes, only to botch them completely. When the minority Gillard Government rolled out a publicity campaign for its carbon tax in 2011, remember who fronted the camera to serenely inform financially strapped Australians this was all in the name of addressing “carbon pollution”?

    That’s right, it was actor and multimillionaire Cate Blanchett, accompanied by fellow actor Michael Caton, whose idea of establishing his common man cred was to wear a flannelette shirt. One of the few who thought the choice of Blanchett was a good idea was then Treasurer Wayne Swan, which only showed he knew as much about connecting with ordinary Australians as he did delivering budget surpluses.

    In 2015 — just prior to the executions of Australian drug traffickers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran — actors Bryan Brown, Geoffrey Rush, Guy Pearce and Joel Edgerton and others featured in a video titled “Save our boys”. It was based on the false and slanderous insinuation the Abbott Government was doing nothing to ask the Indonesian Government to grant clemency. While the celebrities were largely restricted to reciting “I stand for mercy”, the video also featured lesser known types indulging in rank opportunism. Some examples: “Show some ticker,” “Come on Abbott, be a leader,” “Imagine if it was your child”, and “The time for diplomacy has now passed”. The corollary being an invasion of Indonesia I take it?

    If you thought that was abject stupidity, wait for this: “Tony Abbott you need to give diplomatic immunity and protection to Andrew and Myuran before it’s too late,” an anonymous blonde woman tartly states. But the daddy of them all was from actor Brendan Cowell.

    “Tony, if you had any courage and compassion, you’d get over to Indonesia and bring these two boys home,” sneered Cowell as he was filmed reclining on a bed. “Show some balls,” he added contemptuously. As to who was lacking a pair, that was made very clear when Cowell hurriedly deleted his Twitter account in response to a social media backlash. He also conceded to radio station 2UE that he had no idea how Abbott could prevent the executions.

    Brown surfaced again in 2018, along with New Zealand actors Sam Neill and Rebecca Gibney and singer Jimmy Barnes, this time in a video decrying the policy of detaining asylum-seekers in Manus and Nauru. Urging politicians to “stop playing politics with people’s lives” (oh the irony), Neill described these measures as a “barbarity”. For good measure Gibney’s voice quavered as she urged Australians to lobby politicians. As expected, none of the celebrities concerned suggested a viable alternative to mandatory detention.

    All these cases and countless others serve as an example to celebrities that the best thing they could do for their pet causes is not to be a part of them, at least not overtly. Or if they must appear publicly in these movements, they should not condescend or patronise.

    Clearly this was lost on actor Simon Baker, star of the television series The Mentalist. This week Greenpeace launched a climate change and renewable energy campaign video titled “Dear Scotty” featuring the actor, which targeted the prime minister. “Mate, sorry to do this to you,” he says in the opening scene, dripping with faux melancholy as he and others lambast Morrison in sequence for his supposed failings. “How will history remember you?” he asks pensively.

    Should not a renowned actor be expected to — how does one put this — act? Likewise, they should be able to recognise a lousy script. “The audience should be treated with a certain level of intelligence, and I get very upset when we talk down to them,” Baker told the Glasgow Times in 2015. “It annoys me,” he added. Yes, Mr Baker. It annoys us too.

    In 2018, Baker campaigned against Adani’s Carmichael Mine, telling viewers it was “just inland” from the Great Barrier Reef. In fact, the distance between the two is around 350km. “It’ll unleash one of the biggest reservoirs of carbon pollution we’ve ever known,” he said. “It’s a death sentence for the reef.” This is fearmongering. It is also elitist, given the unemployment rate in regional Queensland is higher than 14 per cent in some areas. Then again, it is all too easy to forget the plight of the unemployed when your lifestyle reflects that of the highest-paid actor in US television.

    Predictably he also voices his opposition to “fossil fuels”, yet when Baker resided in Los Angeles he and his family frequently travelled between the US and Australia. “Mate, sorry to do this to you,” you might ask him, “but can we assume none of these multiple international trips involved a zero-carbon yacht?” Or “When you were filming in Western Australia in 2018 and someone stepped on your glasses, is it true you flew to New York just to get a replacement pair from your favourite store?”

    Again, sorry for the impertinent questions. We are just compiling a record about you and all other activist celebrities. Its title is “How will history remember you?””

  85. calli

    It’s official.

    The summer of 2019-20 will henceforth be known as The Traumatic Summer.

    Thank you linesmen. Thank you ball boys.

  86. Lizzie:

    I’ve found the Heavy Duty Elastoplast ones are better than the thinner band-aid type for blisters or any sort of cut or lesion. They don’t rub off anything like as easily as the others do.

    Get yourself some Fixomull mesh tape, if you get blisters. Not the stuff with the nonstick dressing – just the tape. Put a light coat of Friars Balsam over the blister and surrounds. stick the cut to shape over the blister making sure the margin is about an inch. (Wait until the FB goes tacky.)
    The idea is to support the blistered skin and allow it to re adhere. The wound itself is sterile until the blister is broken, which is why you shouldn’t burst the blister.

  87. Steve trickler

    Enjoy the ride.

    Happy to now know about this bloke.



  88. Colonel Crispin Berka

    The eternal Trump story.
    You may recall Mike Pence is not a medical expert of any kind.
    Donald Trump just put Mike Pence in charge of handling the Coronavirus response of the USA.
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1rmxPAwPXAVKN?t=16m00s

    Relevant Trump Tweet.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/523237015329193984
    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    Obama just appointed an Ebola Czar with zero experience in the medical area and zero experience in infectious disease control. A TOTAL JOKE!
    8:20 AM · Oct 18, 2014

    Trump was challenged on this apparent contradiction in the press conference and said in his own defence that Pence had put together a high quality healthcare system while Governor of Indiana, and that Ebola was much worse than the new Coronavirus because it was more severe and there had been no treatment for it at the time.

    To finish there has also been more bad news out of Italy:
    https://i.imgur.com/3NvtXtU.jpg

  89. Roger

    The summer of 2019-20 will henceforth be known as The Traumatic Summer.

    Observe the thickness of the bushland on Kangaroo Island in that before/after photo.

  90. notafan

    Exactly Areff.

    It was those readers I was thinking of.

  91. Blisters:

    Scrub with clean wire brush and then douse liberally with methylated spirit.

    If this doesn’t fix the blister, drink the metho.

  92. notafan

    Thank you IC

    Adding metho and wire brush to suitcase immediately

  93. Des Deskperson

    ‘This little piece (below) was read by 11-year-olds, if memory serves.’

    Areff, just to be pedantic, I’m sure the piece was either in the Seventh Reader – red cover, for what used to be seventh grade/first form – 12-13 year olds – or the Eight Reader – brown cover, next year/age level up. It’s not in the Fifth reader – green cover, fifth grade, 10-11.

    IIRC, the Fourth Reader was grey, the Sixth Reader was blue. There were accompanying arithmetic books in the same colour scheme

  94. If nothing else it will get the tear ducts working*.

    * depending on the location of the blister.

  95. Come on,

    The kit, costing 11 rials, is guaranteed to give a negative result if you are devout.
    Inshallah.

    that was pretty funny, youse lot.

  96. Snoopy

    Observe the thickness of the bushland on Kangaroo Island in that before/after photo.

    Fake news. It’s not the same length of road.

  97. Tailgunner

    I watched a good part of the debate and here’s my take
    Yeah, good rundown,JC. I won’t bother watching the hot mess.

  98. Tailgunner

    Some silly punters are getting excited at the thought of some Unkie Joe momentum! after a good SC showing TBA
    SlowJoe screaming in to 5.50 being Bernie 1.91 and The Box an even fiver.

  99. Tailgunner

    *behind Bernie*
    Mayor Pete, stop that!

  100. Tailgunner

    And I was stoked to see my guys, The Village People, come out in support of their fabulous tunes being rolled at MAGA rallies.
    As always, respect

  101. JC

    Mark from Melbourne

    Brokered convention, here we come.

    What’s your take who ends up with the booby prize?

  102. OldOzzie

    Mark A
    #3336471, posted on February 27, 2020 at 11:09 am
    Tempting.

    Mark A

    took a while to get to the face – not bad looking

  103. Old School Conservative

    Mark A’s post has gone viral.

  104. areff

    Des, thanks for your correction. As I said, I’m flat out dot-squiggling stuff today and didn’t have time to hunt up the originals, which I came across a year or two ago and thought, “Little kids reading Charles Lamb! Oh, how we’ve pauperised the brains of today’s nippers”

    I wonder if a text would be approved these days were it to suggest that the Chinese burn down their homes every time they fancy a feed of roast pork? Presumably they destroyed their barns in the cause of getting the veggies just so. God knows what would have been left to burn for dessert.

    By the way, Mum left school at 12 to work in a biscuit factory and support the family after her dad was crushed by a load of timber on the wharves. She (and dad) recited Shakespeare at the drop of a hat and we’d sometimes read the good bits after dinner (Henry V at Harfleur; Antony invoking Ate to tag team with his dead mate, cry ‘havoc and let slip the dogs of war’). No Dickens, though: Dad liked him but Mum thought it was obvious that he was paid by the word.

    Today? We’d be sitting slack-jawed and stupid watching The Bachelorette.

  105. Mark from Melbourne

    What’s your take who ends up with the booby prize?

    Well, I have Michelle O at 140/1, Hills at 50/1 and Bloombox at 8/1 as a saver.

    I honestly can’t see they have any options above those three, and they’ll only go with Michele if they actually want to have a crack at winning. Which to be honest I don’t think they will. The numbers really don’t suggest any way to a win this cycle.

    They would be nuts to burn “up and comers” like Amy or Pete this time around, and the same goes for Michelle, I could argue.

    Biden is toast, so it’s kind of Bloomy, Hills or none of the above.

  106. Tailgunner

    The Bachelorette

    Dudes acting like bitches on national TV…sad.
    If I went on I’d definitely roll the cock out of the jeans as I left the limo and walked up to the Mansion.
    Booted, straight up!
    🤣🤣🤣
    Infamous,but

  107. Tailgunner

    Tempting.

    Mark A

    took a while to get to the face – not bad looking

    Love it.
    That’s a hard No from DrBG though,for sure.
    Maths!

  108. Mark A

    Tailgunner
    #3336764, posted on February 27, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    The Bachelorette

    Dudes acting like bitches on national TV…sad.
    If I went on I’d definitely roll the cock out of the jeans as I left the limo and walked up to the Mansion.
    Booted, straight up!
    🤣🤣🤣
    Infamous,but

    No need to just show them this plant.

    This is a pitcher plant of the genus Nepenthes sp. The glans-like top is actually a lid for the bottom pitcher structure. A carnivorous plant like the Venus flytrap!

  109. Tailgunner

    If it’s looking Brokered, The Box is in…the Box seat!

  110. Tailgunner

    My feeling is that Bernie is going to be cucked again.
    Like the two hoodrats that punked him in 2016.
    Sucked in, antifa Bros!

    But then KidRock v Cortez 24
    Centrist Dems all on the TrumpTrain, supermajority for a few cycles.
    Winning

  111. Tailgunner

    This is a pitcher plant of the genus Nepenthes sp
    Sik bouquet for the babe!
    🤣
    Perfect

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Oh, how we’ve pauperised the brains of today’s nippers”

    The old Victorian Fifth and Sixth Grade Readers had poems and extracts in them; which these days would require the employment of a teacher’s aide, simply to hold the kid’s hand as the confrontational pages are turned over.

  113. OldOzzie

    Steve trickler
    #3336635, posted on February 27, 2020 at 1:44 pm
    Everyone, meet Bubbles.

    Steve,

    the young lady seemed to enjoy riding Bubbles Elephant Trunk.

  114. Top Ender

    So what is the solution then? More years at school?

    We can have as much of this as we’re prepared to put up with in Australia.

    Kids get promoted to the next grade at the end of each year irrespective of what grades they have achieved.

  115. Snoopy

    Brown surfaced again in 2018, along with New Zealand actors Sam Neill and Rebecca Gibney and singer Jimmy Barnes, this time in a video decrying the policy of detaining asylum-seekers in Manus and Nauru.

    Sam Neill’s activism was rewarded.

  116. OldOzzie

    areff
    #3336721, posted on February 27, 2020 at 3:15 pm
    Whoever claimed my parents’ generation left school with a reading level of ten hasn’t picked up a copy of the old Victorian School Reader of late. This little piece (below) was read by 11-year-olds, if memory serves. (too busy just at the moment to dig up a pdf, but it was published in the Reader under the title ‘The Origin of Roast Pork’; these days the title would be, in the interest of advancing multiculturalism, ‘Yummy, Bat Guts for Dinner’) Full piece can be read here: https://www.bartleby.com/380/prose/491.html

    I’ll take the liberty of reproducing below most of Charles Lamb’s investigation of Chinamen and crackling. Today’s HSC kiddies wouldn’t have a clue

    areff

    Thanks for that Charles Lamb Piece.

    I listen to reading every night by my 8 yr and 6 yr Grandsons (3 year old just likes being read to) and they enjoy reading and are allowed to take books to bed with led headlamp and read for 30 mins.

  117. BorisG

    I watched a good part of the debate and here’s my take.

    Masochism is not for everyone.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    China’s economy will bounce back from the coronavirus and grow 15% in the second quarter on a quarter-on-quarter, annualized basis, JPMorgan Chase’s Joseph Lupton told CNBC on Wednesday.

    FFS.

    Anyone who believes this is crazy.

    China is over. Thank God.

  119. Mark A

    Can happen.

    Q, Did you sleep with your bride before the wedding?
    No, and you?

    Yes, but I didn’t know she was your bride.

  120. duncanm

    The ABC Fact Check is a disgrace. That linked article is a typical attack-smear on people not toeing the climate catastrophe line.

    They can’t even check the facts in front of them

    From the ABC Fact Check linked above:

    However, six scientists, enlisted by Climate Feedback reviewed the claims shortly after the petition was released.
    In the summary of Climate Feedback’s review it says:
    … The letter claims, for example, that climate models ignore the benefits of increased CO2 on plant growth. This is false, as many climate models simulate the response of vegetation to increased CO2— and the climate change it causes.

    This is a complete misquote, and the letter says no such thing.

    What it does say, is this:

    Climate policy relies on inadequate models:
    [Climate models] .. ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

    CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth:
    ..More CO2 is beneficial for nature, greening the Earth: additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth in global plant biomass.

    The claim was that increased plant growth is a benefit – to the earth and humanity – not that it feeds back into the climate models.

    The climatrophists are so blinkered they can think of nothing else but their models. Humanity certainly does not figure into it.

  121. Old School Conservative

    From Andrew Bolt’s column about war crimes in Afghanistan:
    The report says the investigation started in 2016 after “vague rumours” of “very serious wrongdoing” over more than 10 years.
    Strike me pink.
    “Vague rumours” were enough to start up a 4-year investigation that still hasn’t concluded.
    And Andrew gives every indication of believing all the “wrongdoing” “may have betrayed us”.
    He also cedes ground to the lawfare generals by assuming the actions being investigated actually constitute war crimes, without defining that term. That way no-one can criticise the rules of engagement we strap our warriors into before allowing the enemy free shots.

  122. OldOzzie

    Old School Conservative
    #3336559, posted on February 27, 2020 at 12:43 pm
    “if you want to change society you have to change your schools” – Dan Andrews.

    Indeed.
    So let’s introduce pure phonics, rote learning, academic rigour, strict discipline, streaming, end of year exams, testing of all teachers, trades training, high level STEM subjects, a Western Civilisation-inspired curriculum, and teach the breathtaking impact of Christianity.
    De-fund early childhood “education”, and 80% of university courses.
    Ban sex education, compulsory schooling, and climate change hysteria.

    Not asking much am I?

    Can I add – go back to the Old Technical High School – and Academic Stream

    I remember going to do welding classes in the evening at Balgowlah Boys High School which was a Technical Trades School – we have too many kids going to Uni who should be leaving at 15 into a trade based education.

    Germany still does different streams in High School.

    The German education system explained

    Simply put, while all schoolchildren in Germany attend similar primary schools, German secondary schools are divided into three separate streams. These three types of German schools (Hauptschulen, Realschulen and Gymnasien) prepare students for vocational training, vocational higher education or university, respectively. There are, however, multiple pathways through the system, meaning that no qualification is necessarily off-limits to anyone.

  123. Cardimona

    Cats, a mate just drew my attention to Concetta Fierravanti-Wells in the Senate today.
    Here – https://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/LiveMediaPlayer?vID={3A74D7FB-C237-4564-9E83-355191C8977F}&type=1
    From 16:06:24 to 16:11:39.
    Perhaps she belongs on the sceptical pollie list….
    What’s the Catsensus on the three with question marks at the bottom of the list?

    Malcolm Roberts,
    Craig Kelly,
    Barnaby Joyce,
    Gerard Rennick,
    George Christensen,
    Keith Pitt,
    Matt Canavan,
    Eric Abetz,
    Angus Taylor,
    Llew O’Brien,
    Michelle Landry,
    Scott Buchholz,
    Andrew Hastie ,
    Amanda Stoker,
    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells.

    Pauline Hanson…?
    Jim Molan…?
    David Littleproud…?

  124. Snoopy

    Has ABC Fact Check examined the 97% claim?

  125. Old School Conservative

    Can I add – go back to the Old Technical High School – and Academic Stream

    IIRC, the original premise of the 1960’s Wyndham Scheme in NSW was for university aspirants to do Years 11 and 12, while everyone else left after Year 10 to get a trade/start working.
    A useful model overtaken by educational empire builders and too-high parental expectations.

  126. OldOzzie

    duncanm
    #3336791, posted on February 27, 2020 at 4:52 pm
    8. have dinner ready

    After long day at RNSH – fasting – Keto Omelette coming up soon, prepared by Lovely Wife.

  127. Des Deskperson

    ‘The old Victorian Fifth and Sixth Grade Readers had poems and extracts in them; which these days would require the employment of a teacher’s aide, simply to hold the kid’s hand as the confrontational pages are turned over.’

    Yet, in my edition at least, some of the stuff was still heavily bowdlerised. In Lawson’s poem ‘the Fire at Ross’s Farm’, the bit about squatter Black poisoning Selector Ross’s dogs has been omitted and the romance between Robert Black and Jenny Ross – a key theme in the original poem – has been almost complete redacted.

    John Shaw Neilson’s poem ‘Old Granny Minds it All’ has also been oddly fiddled with. The death of the narrator’s mother has been deleted, yet the corpse of Granny Sullivan’s husband being ‘brought… from the mine’ is retained, presumably because it is integral to the poem.

    Te

  128. rickw

    AUD a whisker north of 0.65 USD.

  129. Megan

    Whoever claimed my parents’ generation left school with a reading level of ten hasn’t picked up a copy of the old Victorian School Reader of late.

    I have a complete set of these that were reproduced in the early seventies. I was one of 60 kids in grade six at a working class neighbourhood in untrendy Fitzroy. Every single kid passed literacy and numeracy tests to go onto secondary schools and I would make a bet that almost every single one of them could, at age 11 to 12, pass the new LANTITE test for grad teachers.

  130. OldOzzie

    duncanm
    #3336791, posted on February 27, 2020 at 4:52 pm
    8. have dinner ready

    After long day at RNSH – fasting – Keto Omelette coming up soon, prepared by Lovely Wife.

    Plus pour myself a Glass of Semillon Sauvignon Blanc as it is past 5pm!

  131. lotocoti

    “very serious wrongdoing”

    Someone was misgendered?

  132. Megan

    Ban sex education, compulsory schooling, and climate change hysteria.

    You’ve forgotten indigenous languages, history, astronomy and welcome to country. And sustainability, no plastic drink bottles and no junk food canteens.

  133. Tailgunner

    Dude in a burnt orange Mustang just rolled by, the big,ugly 5.0 badge replaced with a smaller 2.3lt one.
    Modded pipes& aftermarket wheels.
    And he’s taken the horse off the grill and put it down one end.
    🤣
    Loved it. Well done from a Ford joker

  134. rickw

    The head of Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital Emergency Department has called out as “racism” the refusal of families to have their children treated by Asian staff members amid fears of a coronavirus pandemic hitting Australia.

    Which families? The Asian ones most probably.

  135. Arky

    Good work globalist dickheads.
    Especially those on this site.
    You insisted there was no danger in China trade.
    You insisted on insulting the very few of us on here who consistently questioned your doctrine.
    You called us statists.
    You told us we knew nothing.
    You used jargon and bullshit to try to gaslight us.
    Fuck you to hell.
    ..


  136. Tailgunner

    no plastic drink bottles and no junk food canteens.

    Two dimmies,an egg flip BigM and chocolate jam doughnut, thanks Marie!
    H/t high school Gunner

  137. Cardimona

    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells (16:17:14 to 16:22.14 on the same link – https://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/LiveMediaPlayer?vID={3A74D7FB-C237-4564-9E83-355191C8977F}&type=1) told the Senate that Hitler was left wing!

    “…fascism had its antecedents in socialism…”

    Wow!
    Who knew CF-W had it in her?

  138. Mark A

    Arky
    #3336807, posted on February 27, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    It’s pity the corona virus is not being distributed by a gov. agency.
    We’d be all safe then.

  139. Especially those on this site.

    dont worry about it arky

    The gains are well worth the lives of a few dont matter voters.
    Besides, we can import a few more disposables when we need them.

  140. duncanm

    Tailgunner
    #3336805, posted on February 27, 2020 at 5:06 pm
    Dude in a burnt orange Mustang just rolled by, the big,ugly 5.0 badge replaced with a smaller 2.3lt one.

    that 2.3l turbo Ford donk is pretty good.. over 300 horses in the old money and a bunch lighter. But it probably sounds shite.

  141. Tailgunner

    And, as a private/public high school, Uni/tradie type of guy, I’m uniquely placed to comment on Education For Outcomes…our new, deplorable, education policy.
    The Nazi system is the right one.
    The days of little Nolezy’s leaving school in grade 2 and getting a trade are over.
    But the boyz can start [email protected]

  142. Tailgunner

    that 2.3l turbo Ford donk is pretty good.. over 300 horses in the old money and a bunch lighter. But it probably sounds shite
    I’m not Ford, so unsure if trolling?!?
    I thought the driver was trolling with the badge
    🤔😮😶

  143. OldOzzie

    Oricom TPS9 Tyre Pressure Management System Review

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  144. Roger

    Pauline Hanson…?
    Jim Molan…?
    David Littleproud…?

    Didn’t Littleproud appear on Q&A and said that he “accepted the science”?

    Molan did likewise and said he accepted climate change but his “mind was open” as to the cause(s).

    PHON’s climate change policy is here.

  145. OldOzzie

    Qantas x Royal Australian Mint Centenary 11 Piece $1 Coin Collection

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    The collection features 11 coloured uncirculated coins presented in individual display cards and housed in a high quality box. Each of the coins in the collection is dedicated to a significant story within Qantas’s history. Also included is special $1 coloured copper coin, to honour the origins of Qantas’s iconic Kangaroo Symbol, which was inspired by the Australian Penny. Limited to a mintage of 40,000.

    Also included in the collection is a Qantas timeline to compliment the stories told through the coins. This collection will be one for the first to feature the new effigy of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

  146. JC

    The head of Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital Emergency Department has called out as “racism” the refusal of families to have their children treated by Asian staff members amid fears of a coronavirus pandemic hitting Australia.

    Dr Stuart Lewena said the “paranoia” around coronavirus “is acceptable”, but discriminating against medicos on the basis of race is not, citing at least four instances at the Royal Children’s Hospital in recent weeks.

    “Whilst at the moment we’ve only seen a few isolated cases of what we would only view as racism being directed towards some of our staff, we did identify the fact that that was unacceptable,” Dr Lewena said.
    Read Next

    “We weren’t going to wait until it became a larger problem, and we’re well and truly supporting our staff and getting the message to the community and those who attend our department that we have complete confidence and faith in all staff who work here at the hospital.

    “There’s no need to be picking and choosing the doctor who sees you when you attend the hospital, and there’s certainly no need to be making that decision based on their race.

    “I don’t want to see that in our hospitals. I’m aware it’s happening in the community and we want to be using this as an opportunity to take that stance to say it’s not acceptable in healthcare and it’s certainly not acceptable in our society.

    They zero ability to avoid succumbing to virtue signaling. The virtue signaling virus is worse than the corona for these arseholes.

    Parents (especailly) are irrationally concerned about their children’s’ health. If you can reduce risk by simply hurting someone’s feelings well, now biggie.

  147. Steve trickler

    OldOzzie
    #3336775, posted on February 27, 2020 at 4:32 pm

    Let the ladies play.

  148. calli

    Whoever claimed my parents’ generation left school with a reading level of ten hasn’t picked up a copy of the old Victorian School Reader of late.

    Had my father grown up in a well-off household, he could easily have gone on to the Leaving and then most likely, Engineering. As it was, his family could not afford to keep him at school, so he left and learned a trade. So many clever ones did just this. In the forties, life was tough and a great war had sapped the nation’s resources.

    Fast forward to the present generation – it pains me to think my niece and nephew will be teaching children – while being quite lovely young people, they are not particularly academic. But they have their degrees which seem to say the opposite, so perhaps they will make good primary teachers.

    And at least some of the little boys in my nephew’s class will have a man in their lives. He plans to teach at disadvantaged schools.

  149. JC

    whoops

    They posses zero ability

  150. Kev

    Oricom TPS9 Tyre Pressure Management System Review
    Old Ozzie – I’ve had one on my Rangie for a year now. Works well.

  151. JC

    You know, on the whole who is more likely to have connection and human interaction with someone coming from the highly infected areas of China. Would it be an Australian with a Euro background or someone who looks Chinese. This is how people think. They discriminate and it’s built into our brains.

  152. Tailgunner

    JC, shoosh for a minute and consider the AMG SPORT 6.3S for your V8.
    Those things sound sik, dude

  153. calli

    It is, JC.

    I would have absolutely no problem with an asian doctor treating my child.

    But I wouldn’t go within a bull’s roar of a public hospital for one to do so. I’d be worried about what the little tyke would pick up in the waiting area.

  154. Tailgunner

    A vegan looking chick (y’know, angry resting bitch face) just cruised by on an Amsterdam style pushie with the orange milk crate occy strapped to the handlebars!
    Respect!
    Kinda cute,too
    Had to give her a shoutout.

  155. Top Ender

    Well, looks like mass Corona Virus panic time – or mass rationality – depending what you think.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    – and similar headlines everywhere.

    What was it the man said:

    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    “Before the year is out.”

  156. cohenite

    Pauline Hanson…?
    Jim Molan…?
    David Littleproud…?

    Pauline definitely a sceptic
    Jim, seems like a nice person but vague and since saving the planet is nice probably have 1.5 feet in alarmist camp
    Littleproud impresses as an arsehole

  157. candy

    I don’t think it is racism, unless the parents are using particular language that is abusive or some such or not even bothering to speak politely as they refuse treatment by Asian staff.

    You’d have to be a poor specimen of a human to abuse some young Chinese doctor in the ED who is trying to tend to your ill child rather than deal with your concerns a little more maturely.

    I do see the doctor’s viewpoint though. It could be quite hurtful. some people have no tact.

  158. cohenite

    John Shaw Neilson’s poem ‘Old Granny Minds it All’ has also been oddly fiddled with. The death of the narrator’s mother has been deleted, yet the corpse of Granny Sullivan’s husband being ‘brought… from the mine’ is retained, presumably because it is integral to the poem.

    When I did my first degree Neilson had just been ‘discovered’ and his mystic naturalism was being compared to Blake and all sorts of odd synergies were being discovered in his verse. Didn’t have legs.

  159. jupes

    JC, shoosh for a minute and consider the AMG SPORT 6.3S for your V8.

    4.0 litre bi-turbo V8.

    If I ever replace the Monaro it will probably be with one of these.

  160. OldOzzie

    For Lizzie

    Smart travel planning in the time of coronavirus

    By Scott Mccartney

    Should you postpone or cancel travel because of coronavirus?

    Yes, no and maybe.

    For some destinations, the answer is a clear yes; others, a clear no. An increasing number are becoming a maybe, where it’s really a question of how much worry and hassle you want to pack into your trip.

    One threat: If you get the flu while travelling, you could end up quarantined somewhere because the symptoms in early stages are very similar to those of Covid-19.

    “I think it’s a good time to assess personal risk tolerance,” says Henry Wu, director of Emory University’s TravelWell Center and assistant professor of infectious diseases at Emory University School of Medicine.

    “There’s a lot of potential for complications for travellers that may happen even if they’re not high-risk for getting the disease.”

    With the virus spreading beyond China to new countries, events and conferences are being cancelled, airlines are expanding waivers to change reservations without penalty and more travellers are looking to postpone or cancel trips.

    The spread of the virus to Italy and South Korea changes travel considerations for many.

    Travel does present greater risk because you typically encounter more people when travelling, public health experts say. They add that proper precautions — frequently washing hands, avoiding touching unwashed hands to the face and liberal use of hand sanitiser — reduce risk.

    How to decide whether to go or not? Here’s a guide to help you make informed decisions:

    Some non-negotiables

    First, if you’re sick, don’t travel. This rule applies all the time, but people routinely ignore it. Don’t do that in this climate unless you want to end up quarantined.

    Some countries are or will be scanning passengers for increased body temperature. If you have a fever, you may be detained.

    Further, airline crews — not to mention passengers — are on heightened alert for anyone sneezing or coughing. In the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended flight crews isolate ill passengers. And it’s not negotiable: On a plane, failure to comply with crew orders is a federal crime.

    Prepare for disruptions

    Second, no matter where you travel internationally, there is increased risk that travel may be disrupted. An outbreak can mean a city is sealed off, flights are cancelled and travellers are quarantined. So best to plan ahead for serious disruption, just in case.

    Take extra supplies of your medications with you. Take a supply of cold medicine and a thermometer. You might want to take work materials with you that you need after your return in case you end up stuck somewhere.

    Make sure you have health insurance documentation in case you end up sick. And have someone back home at the ready to help with emergency travel plans if you need to find a way home quickly. A travel agent may be a very good idea.

    “As we learn more about the virus, governments can change overnight how they are responding,” says epidemiologist Jennifer Nuzzo of the Johns Hopkins Centre for Health Security.

    Maybe ground yourself

    Third, consider whether you have a higher risk of getting sick while travelling. Older people or those with underlying medical conditions may want to ground themselves, experts say.

    Dr. Wu advises getting a flu shot before travelling if you haven’t already. It can take a week to become effective, but it’s not too late in the flu season to protect yourself.

    Check your travel insurance

    Fourth, if you want to consider travel insurance, consider only “cancel for any reason” plans. These policies typically cost about 4 per cent more than standard policies and typically reimburse about 75 per cent of non-refundable trip costs if you do cancel, says Megan Moncrief, chief marketing officer for Squaremouth, a travel insurance comparison service. That’s a lower payout than other plans, but it’s the only type of travel insurance that will help at this point.

    If you have insurance you bought before the outbreak began, it likely will only cover you if you contract the virus. It might cover you if you get sick and your doctor certifies you shouldn’t travel during your planned itinerary. But travel insurance doesn’t cover fear.

    “People are just nervous. They aren’t sure what’s going to happen. They simply don’t want to go anymore, don’t feel comfortable going, don’t feel safe going. But those aren’t covered reasons under a standard policy,” Ms. Moncrief says.

    Now that the coronavirus outbreak is well known, policies you buy won’t cover it — it’s a known hazard. It’s the same reason you can’t buy fire insurance as bushfires approach your house.

    If you’re already on the road and Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) upgrades its travel advice to ‘do not travel’ for your destination, you may be covered if you have to cancel the rest of your trip.

    Some options

    There are some logical ways to make an informed choice about where to go.

    The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) has issued travel warnings for a growing number of countries hit by the virus.

    DFAT is warning that not all airports or transport companies are applying their policies on coronavirus consistently.

    Use the smarttraveller website for the latest travel advice from DFAT. That site offers information where you can easily check the latest travel recommendations and overall travel advice levels., as well as information and links about infectious disease and medical assistance overseas.

    Even for countries without travel warning, s, you may find public events cancelled and venues closed. And closings to prevent congregating crowds may happen anywhere.

    Public health experts say the biggest health risk for domestic travel now is the flu.

    Dr Nuzzo of Johns Hopkins says she doesn’t believe authorities have a good handle on where the virus is and where it isn’t, including in the US, because many countries aren’t testing aggressively.

    “I think this virus will turn up everywhere,” she says, because that’s how respiratory viruses tend to spread. She also notes that trying to stop the spread by restricting travel hasn’t worked so far.

    Still, Dr Nuzzo booked a family summer vacation recently to Mexico and plans to go, even though she expects the virus to show up in Mexico.

    “My risk tolerance is that life needs to go on,” she says.

    Flight risk

    Flights by themselves aren’t considered higher risk, except that they are crowded situations. Dr Wu notes there have been no documented or confirmed cases of coronavirus transmission aboard an aeroplane. The World Health Organisation says an aeroplane cabin by itself isn’t more conducive to spreading infection. But the proximity of passengers does matter.

    The WHO says the virus is transmitted by droplets, and only lives on surfaces for short periods, perhaps 30 minutes. Other health groups have questioned that, suggesting it can live much longer on surfaces.

    If you are concerned, wipe down surfaces you are going to touch on aeroplanes or other public spaces, such as hotel rooms.

    Paper surgical masks are effective at keeping you from spreading disease if you are sick, but not effective at blocking you from ingesting virus. For that, health experts recommend an N95 respirator — a heavy-duty mask.

    The Middle Seat: Wall Street Journal

  161. JC

    Calli and your view is perfectly fine, however other parents may not share that and that’s where the problem lies.

  162. Nick

    The media is talking about cases of racism at the Melbourne Children’s hospital, citing 3 instances. Just 3.

  163. jupes

    Had my father grown up in a well-off household, he could easily have gone on to the Leaving and then most likely, Engineering. As it was, his family could not afford to keep him at school, so he left and learned a trade.

    Dad left school after primary school. Did odd jobs till he was old enough to drive a truck then joined the army when he was 21. A few years after being promoted to WO2 in the ’70s, the army in their wisdom decided that he needed a year 10 certificate to keep his rank. He did a course and passed, though it is unknown how much the officer in charge of the course – and dad’s best mate – had to do with it.

  164. OldOzzie

    Capex: Business investment goes backwards in December quarter

    Patrick Commins
    ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT

    A hoped for rebound in business investment failed to eventuate in the final three months of last year, new data showed, suggesting corporate bosses remained wary of spending on future growth even before the shocks from bushfires and coronavirus.

    New capital expenditure by the private sector fell 2.8 per cent over the December quarter, to $28.4bn, according to seasonally adjusted figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. That was the worst quarterly result since September 2016.

    Business investment dropped 5.8 per cent over the year.

    Economists had expected business investment to lift by 0.5 per cent through the three months, based on the median forecast among economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

    Shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers said the new numbers were “more evidence that the Australian economy was deteriorating long before the Coronavirus outbreak”.

    “Capital expenditure is more than 30 per cent lower than when the Liberals first came to office and business investment is around its lowest levels since the 1990s recession,” Mr Chalmers said.
    “It’s long past time for the Prime Minister and Treasurer to join with Labor, the Reserve Bank and the business community and bring forward a plan to address our longstanding domestic economic challenges and get businesses investing again.”

    Josh Frydenberg has said he is considering a package to boost business investment.

    Business groups including the Australian Industry Group, Business Council of Australia and Australian Food and Grocery Council have urged the Treasurer to introduce an investment allowance to stimulate the economy and combat stagnant productivity growth.

    The Australian dollar wobbled but largely held firm to trade at US65.6c as news around the spread of the coronavirus beyond China continued to dominate.

    Business spending on new buildings and structures dropped 5.9 per cent in the quarter, to $14.8bn, while investment in equipment, plants and machinery lifted 0.8 per cent, to $13.6bn.

    The survey did, however, point towards an uptick in expected spending in this and the next financial year.

    Firms’ expected capital expenditure in 2019-20 was revised up to $120bn, from $117bn. “Adjusting for firms’ tendency to underestimate their investment spend, this implies a small fall in investment in 2019-20, where a large increase in mining investment should partly offset a fall in non-mining investment,” NAB economist Kaixin Owyong said.

    New capital expenditure by miners dropped 2.7 per cent in the December quarter, but was up 0.9 per cent over the 12 months.

    Westpac economist Andrew Hanlan said the data suggested mining investment had reached a “turning point” after six years of declines.

    Mining firms still expect to increase capex in 2019-20, but by 11 per cent, rather than the previous quarter’s estimate of 16 per cent.

    Businesses also told the ABS they expected to spend $100.2bn in the next financial year, versus the previous estimate of $95bn. Economists warned, however, that the first estimate for the next financial year can prove an unreliable guide to actual spending.

    “Also, it is too soon for firms to have adjusted their investment plans in response to the coronavirus – any impacts may be more apparent in the next update, in late May,” Mr Hanlan said.

    The overall contraction in new business investment through 2019 highlights the challenges confronting policymakers trying to break multi-year trend of low and falling growth in productivity.

    In a recent testimony to parliament, Reserve Bank of Australia governor Philip Lowe said while the economy’s fundamentals were “fantastic”, this was “not to deny we have significant issues”.

    “The one that worries me most is weak productivity growth. Ultimately productivity growth is the source of increasing living standards, real wages, and real asset prices.

    “I fear that our economy is becoming less dynamic. We have lower rates of investment, lower rates of business formation and lower rate of people switching jobs.”

    An Australian Industry Group survey of 250 CEOs late last year showed the lowest proportion of businesses in years plan to increase their spending in 2020, with “a lack of customer demand” as the top worry.

  165. JC

    Gunner, Jupes.

    I really just don’t like Mercs these days. I don’t like how they’ve hooned them up and much too showy. They are the prefect cars for drug dealers and developers…. same thing really

  166. Well, looks like mass Corona Virus panic time – or mass rationality – depending what you think.

    When this threat started to develop when the situation in Wuhan spread through the internet, it seemed the best thing to do was to see what the epidemiologists and the statisticians had to say. It was not pretty.

    A good place to start is the short article written by Nassim Taleb (the author of the theory of the Black Swan which predicted the GFC) and others: “Systemic Risk of Pandemic via Novel Pathogens – Corona virus: A note.”

  167. jupes

    Jim, seems like a nice person but vague and since saving the planet is nice probably have 1.5 feet in alarmist camp
    Littleproud impresses as an arsehole

    The thing is, if these people are skeptics, yet still support nation destroying climate change policies, then they are worse than useless. They are traitors.

  168. Tailgunner

    If you ever see me in a black puffer vest, shoot me.
    These guys,ffs

  169. jupes

    I really just don’t like Mercs these days. I don’t like how they’ve hooned them up and much too showy.

    No no. They are subtle. Looks like a suburban sedan while packing 500 horses.

  170. Tailgunner

    hooned them up and much too showy. They are the prefect cars for drug dealers
    Fk! He’s right, you know?
    😎
    The hotties would love a ride

  171. Would it be an Australian with a Euro background or someone who looks Chinese. This is how people think. They discriminate and it’s built into our brains.

    Absolutely. This is Evolutionary Biology – which is totally discredited, of course, by the Left nowadays.

    BTW if a blonde, blue eyed Nordic type sat next to me on a bus when Sweden (theoretically) was experiencing a massive outbreak of some contagion – I would get up & move also!

  172. OldOzzie

    Tesla opens orders to Australia for solar roofs

    It’s been a long time coming, but Tesla has finally given the green light on its highly anticipated solar roofs, with v3 now finalised for the market.

    Head over to the site and you’ll now see the company sporting a flashy ‘Order’ button for Australian consumers looking to add value to their property.

    While the page has been up for a number of months, there’s been a lack of details around pricing and delivery turnaround times until now.

  173. Tailgunner

    But if you’re gonna surf, you’ll need a wagon, mate.
    #wagonmafia

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tesla opens orders to Australia for solar roofs

    ROFL.

    Panasonic to exit solar production at Tesla’s New York plant as partnership frays (26 Feb)

    Panasonic Corp (6752.T) said it would exit solar cell production at Tesla Inc’s New York plant, the latest sign of strain in a partnership where Panasonic’s status as the U.S. electric vehicle (EV) maker’s exclusive battery supplier is ending.

    The move increases uncertainty over Tesla’s (TSLA.O) solar business which is already under scrutiny, having been drastically scaled back since the U.S. firm bought it for $2.6 billion in 2016.

    No one in the US is buying Telsa solar panels after the many fires. So lets try to sell some to stupid Aussies who always fall for every silly green idea…

  175. JC

    No no. They are subtle. Looks like a suburban sedan while packing 500 horses.

    Fair enough. What usually catches my eye is a developer type or dealer driving off from his latest deal. I tend not to see the subtle models 🙂

    JC, seriously, if you’re gonna be rollin in Burleigh, you need this.
    Ask Mick.

    Dude, I’m happily married and only interesting in looking. Window shopping is fine, but not buying, if you know what I mean. What would he know? Mr Literate drives a Isuzu and will swear black and blue it’s a Bentley.

  176. JC

    Tailgunner
    #3336858, posted on February 27, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    JC, seriously, if you’re gonna be rollin in Burleigh, you need this.
    Ask Mick.

    Dude, seriously, I rather lose a leg than be seen driving that. It’s all taste though and if you like it well and good. It’s just not me.

  177. Tailgunner

    . I tend not to see the subtle models 🙂

    Laps of Chaps is still a thing, yo!
    🤣

  178. JC

    Tailgunner
    #3336865, posted on February 27, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    It’s defo a wagon for hoonigans.
    But the sound…..
    Superb!

    I actually love wagons. Day to day I drive one now. They are fabulous for their utility and I also think they’re better looking cars than sedans as the designers have more are to get creative with lines.

    I have the old model of BMW 530 and will be replacing it eventually with the same. The merc model in your link is also great looking. They’ve stuck turbo charging in the beamer 530 these days. The storage area in a wagon is unbeatable. You could stick a race horse in the back by flipping down the rear seats.

  179. Tailgunner

    Dude, I wouldn’t do that to my ride either. I’m very much enhanced stock look.
    But not exactly stealthy….

  180. Helen

    Softly touch the withered souls of long gone friends
    My dear old girls who suffered in the drought
    Now it rains, I remember you and all your struggle
    Day to day to live, just like Clive James,
    Hope it wasn’t too long before the blessed darkness came
    But sometimes, I know, you died alone.

    And now the rain has come with all its promise
    And I rejoice in the lushness of months to come
    But shed a tearful thought for those of you
    Who would also relish this and did not make it
    Although you tried so hard.

    Softly touch the withered souls of long gone friends
    Clean their hides and stroke away their pain
    And let them know the time has come
    To melt within the earth from whence they came
    As the season of death passes, once again.

  181. Tailgunner

    they’re better looking cars than sedans
    Yep. Practical &looks?
    Winning

  182. calli

    Thank you Helen.

    A reminder for the townees. And me among them.

    And now the Season of Life. The soft, lush green of the world.

  183. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From cohenite at 12:49 pm:

    “I’m so insulted that people think that would be acceptable behaviour for Rugby Australia,” Castle said. “I’m on public record saying I’m proud of the fact that Israel was a strongly Christian man and was proud of his faith and expressed it as such. But he made a comment that was insulting.”

    There you have it folks; Izzy was fired because he insulted someone.

    Castle is one of these people whose strikingly ugly appearance masks an even uglier character.

    Castle and the board members who either support her or remain silent fail to understand that her very existence is offensive to a large number of rugby faithful and, more importantly, to an even bigger number of immediate past supporters.

    I have been closely involved with rugby since middle teenage, in every available role, and I seriously doubt the game will survive the carpetbaggers who have no knowledge of, or respect for, its history.

  184. notafan

    Dads stories.

    My farming grandfather scrimped and scraped to give two of his children an education in the 1930s.

    Two left school at age 12 to labour on farms before getting farms on their own.

    Two got tertiary educations via a different route.

    No uni, just an opportunity to join the public service, considered a big step up in the late 1930s, then night school after the war.

    Those that wanted an education found a way.

  185. OldOzzie

    Group gripes

    Let’s go gingerly into that topic of group travel, remembering our conversation should be mature and respectful.

    By Graham Erbacher

    Let’s go gingerly into that topic of group travel, remembering our conversation should be mature, constructive and respectful. Aren’t they the weasel words we use today before ripping into things we can’t stand? Then we honour the dispatched in our thoughts and prayers.

    I don’t want to spoil the fun, but at the outset I should state I’m a bit of a fan of group travel. We’re not talking shared bunkhouses here and, like many T+I readers, I retain a strong spirit of independence and adventure. It’s just that, as the years roll by, it’s helpful to have someone take the hard work out of travel. And it can be a chore. I also like sharing experiences and have made many trip friends, whether it be on longer excursions or simple walking tours.

    But there are recurring sources of irritation. Like the person for whom everything is wrong. I don’t expect groups to be populated with Pollyannas and when matters aren’t right those responsible should be made aware. But a glass half-full person sure makes an easier companion than a glass half-empty. On a recent tour, a fellow guest lets it be known, in no particular order, that seafood should never appear on a menu, the steak is too cold, the vegies too tough, the wines all urghh, a (barely audible) songstress too screechy and Elton John is a has-been. I’m not sure why poor Elton is even up for grabs; he’s not in the room. I am tempted to ask the chap whether anything has ever gone right.

    What else irks? How about the group member who holds up tours with interminable questions. Now this is a tricky one. I always feel uncomfortable when a wonderfully informed docent (why does that word always remind me of Bambi?) asks if there are any questions — and there is silence. Are we just the dumbest group, has no one been listening, is not one of us inquisitive? My brain flickers around for something to ask to indicate we have been paying attention, and comes up blank. But then ponder the person who wants to prattle on, firing queries on technical matters or, worse, desperate to display superior knowledge on the topic at hand. On a recent walk of old Sydney, I am an observer of a prolonged crossfire about the precise location of the colony’s first coroners court. At the 20-minute mark I’m ready to channel Clark Gable in Gone with the Wind with a frustrated, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn”.

    In general, in the name of group harmony, it seems best not to rush headlong into discussion of politics, religion, sex and personal wealth. Get a cue, though, and I’m in like Flynn for a debate. Not everyone waits for that first hint, I note. Those are my pet peeves, but ask the group — there’s bound to be more.

  186. Twostix

    There’s no need to be picking and choosing the doctor who sees you when you attend the hospital

    You’ll get what you’re given peasant!

    Notice they don’t cite the example. Dead giveaway it’s nothing just some persom asking for a different doctor for normal reasons.

    They’re lying.

  187. Twostix

    “Whilst at the moment we’ve only seen a few isolated cases of what we would only view as racism being directed towards some of our staff, we did identify the fact that that was unacceptable,” Dr Lewena said.

    Lol.

    Talk about baffling with bullshit.

  188. calli

    Those that wanted an education found a way.

    They did indeed, Nota.

    Many years later, Dad was seconded to a wonderful Christian man who happened to be an engineer. He encouraged my father to go to tech at night to formalise his already vast knowledge of concrete and steel. And he did.

    That engineer has since gone to glory, and I had the privilege many years later of being his widow’s friend.

  189. johanna

    I am appalled by these ‘war crimes’ trial of our soldiers who are accused of not being Boy Scouts in a place where people are actively trying to kill you at every opportunity, 24/7. What is wrong with these eejits? Could it be that they have not the faintest conception of what it is like out there?

    My old man was in the Korean War, on attachment with an American unit. He once told me (in his cups) that his unit captured 20 odd of the enemy, who had spent the last few days trying to blast them to Kingdom Come.

    They had no capacity to look after that many prisoners, as they were a small unit moving forward. So, the enemy soldiers were all shot, except one guy who could cut hair, because they needed a barber.

    That’s the reality of war.

    The episode still haunted him decades later, but soldiers are supposed to win, not run up-to-the-minute POW facilities while leaving their colleagues along the line in the lurch.

    There is not the remotest possibility that if the situation had been reversed, the enemy would have done any different.

    Fucking armchair civil libertarians, who expect soldiers to lay their lives on the line so that said vultures can pick over the survivors. Grrr.

  190. Tailgunner

    Yeah nah nah, I’m going to drive my dream car, income adjusted, til I can’t push the clutch in I reckon.
    As a weekend only machine, I reckon I can get 20 years out of it.
    7500km oil&filter change this weekend. And power steering fluid leak to investigate.
    #DodgyMechanicLyfe

  191. Professor Fred Lenin

    Cassie,I always remember blanchett and caton standing in front of a picture of a pwer station spewing black smoke , preaching misery doom and ,I recognised the power station as Battersea in London ,on checking google the station was decommissioned when blanchettwas at kindergarten and caton still at primary school ,and they are lying as if its still going . They spend too much time pretending to be other people to know who they are .

  192. Roger

    They spend too much time pretending to be other people to know who they are .

    ‘Actors are generally stupid people.’

    Anthony Hopkins

  193. Twostix

    About 50% of indian doctors are completely incompetent and immediately write a script for antibiotics no matter what you say to them.

    They’re basically just script vending machines.

    Everyone knows the cliniics to go around here to avoid them.

    The obvious question is how are they practicing? And how can we trust the medical profession that lets them?

  194. Neil

    That’s the reality of war.

    I remember reading a story from WW2 where Australian soldiers took some Japanese prisoners on a plane flight from A to B. The Japanese got on the plane at A but when the plane arrived at B there were no Japanese prisoners on the plane

  195. OldOzzie

    Trump DOJ weighs in against Harvard’s discrimination

    The Trump Department of Justice has steadfastly opposed racial discrimination without regard to which racial group is the victim. Yesterday, pursuant to this policy, the DOJ filed an amicus brief on behalf of the Asian-American plaintiffs who were discriminated against as a result of Harvard University’s race-based admissions preferences for African-American applicants.

    The case is on appeal from a district court ruling that found no discrimination by Harvard. We discussed the decision here and here.

    The district court got it wrong. The Justice Department’s brief to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit explains why.

    Here is the DOJ’s Summary of Argument:

  196. Tailgunner

    Castle and the board members who either support her or remain silent fail to understand that her very existence is offensive to a large number of rugby faithful and, more importantly, to an even bigger number of immediate past supporters.

    So, there’s your target, Mick+other rugger supporters.
    Take the game back from this,to an absolute outsider, disgrace of administration wokeness.
    Can’t be that fkn hard??

  197. OldOzzie

    Twostix
    #3336897, posted on February 27, 2020 at 7:04 pm
    About 50% of indian doctors are completely incompetent and immediately write a script for antibiotics no matter what you say to them.

    Twostix

    <a href="”>A Success Story – Dr Jay Yohendran

    I am an ophthalmologist specialising in refractive cataract surgery . I graduated with Honours from the University of Sydney Medical School in 2001, and was awarded the Claffy Prize in Ophthalmology. Prior to this I completed a Bachelor of Medical Science degree at Sydney University, and later a Masters of Public Health at NSW University.

    After completing ophthalmology training at the prestigious Royal Victorian Eye and Ear Hospital in Melbourne, I returned to Sydney, just before my wife gave birth to the first of our two sons in 2009.

    I subsequently completed a Fellowship in comprehensive ophthalmology at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, whilst undertaking a Graduate Diploma in Cataract and Refractive Surgery at Sydney University.

    I have also completed a twelve-month Fellowship in Glaucoma at Sydney Eye Hospital.

    I am a member of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Ophthalmologists, as well as the Australasian Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgeons.

    I am a very experienced cataract surgeon, and currently one of Australia’s highest volume cataract surgeons. I have also performed thousands of intravitreal injections, for the treatment of macula diseases. I am proficient in pterygium and glaucoma surgery.

    I enjoy teaching, and am the Head of the Ophthalmology Department at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, where we help to train the next generation of ophthalmologists.

    I come from a family of doctors, with both of my parents working as GPs in Sydney for over forty years. My wife is a GP also, working in Cammeray. Socially, I love spending time with my young family, and watching the mighty Wests Tigers.

  198. vlad

    Kids get promoted to the next grade at the end of each year irrespective of what grades they have achieved.

    That’s why they call them “years” now. No grades, no forms, no levels of achievement.

    Just years.

    You do year one, year two, year three … year eleven, year twelve. Then go on the dole.

    When I was in leaving/matric there was a boy who had repeated leaving and then, having failed matric I’m guessing, repeated matric. Four years to do the last two “years” of school. Good on him.

  199. Tel

    Pandemic bonds issued by the world bank in 2017

    covered perils: Flu, Coronavirus

    Astounding good find. Did you check the maturity date on those bonds? July 15, 2020 they will pay up, but hey the bondholders lose all their money if an “event” occurs before that date. Gosh! If this Coronavirus reaches the scale of an official “event” in the next few months, why they won’t need to pay the money back.

    It turned up right on time. How about that?Z

    If I was a betting man, I would rate that as “unlikely”.

  200. Roger

    Castle and the board members who either support her or remain silent fail to understand that her very existence is offensive to a large number of rugby faithful and, more importantly, to an even bigger number of immediate past supporters.

    Super Rugby crowd attendances are down c. 4000 on last year (from 11000 to 7000).

    Sure, the teams haven’t been performing well, but a significant number of people appear to have decided to stop supporting the game at that level.

  201. Tailgunner

    DPLRBL can fit a fair few sacks o’cash in the back.
    And a reasonably quick getaway in the right hands on the wheel.
    For the real consignments we’ll need the Cat truckers, for sure.
    Convoys of No Consequences

  202. OldOzzie

    Tailgunner
    #3336906, posted on February 27, 2020 at 7:14 pm
    DPLRBL can fit a fair few sacks o’cash in the back.
    And a reasonably quick getaway in the right hands on the wheel.
    For the real consignments we’ll need the Cat truckers, for sure.
    Convoys of No Consequences

    Still got my HC Heavy Vehicle Licence!

  203. Twostix

    There’s no need to be picking and choosing the doctor who sees you when you attend the hospital

    They said that to Dr Deaths patients in Bundaberg.

    If you live in a rural or regional area you know your life depends on it.

    But we should just put up with trauma and dying from incompetence because woke bugman hospital administrators say so.

  204. Roger

    That’s why they call them “years” now. No grades, no forms, no levels of achievement.

    It would seem so.

  205. Tailgunner

    Hey Sinc – how hard is it to make the Cat a forum?
    With different threads on different topics?
    Sincerely,
    Tailgunner
    A Trump thread, a 2020 election thread, car mods thread, Thermomix +/- thread…The Hawaiian Pizza Megathread…
    Sodomy…
    Is Jesus for real?
    The atheist thread
    The Sex Lounge for Cattinder..
    The Cruising in the Time of Corona thread. Zippy&Lizzie, please
    The AUD thread.
    It’d be epic

  206. calli

    It has been tried before, ‘gunner.

    Does the variety of topics and comments confuse you?

    Think of it as a pub conversation. Or a dinner table. With a very intelligent family.

  207. Tailgunner

    The Vietnam thread lol

  208. Tailgunner

    Yes calli, thank you.
    Just musing…
    Tried before??

  209. Roger

    They said that to Dr Deaths patients in Bundaberg.

    The D-G of QLD Health – sacked by Beattie after the Dr Death scandal – subsequently receieved an OAM.

  210. Twostix

    No idea what your point is OldOzzie.

    Is that one “success story” going to work at all the gp clinics around here?

    The fact that there is a pushed propoganda “success story” is indicative of a problem.

    That problem is mass fraud in indian certifications and corruption in our standards boards waving many incompetents through and dumping them into regional areas to make up the numbers.

    .

  211. Roger

    What, no Nam thread?

    And let’s not neglect Dresden.

  212. jupes

    They had no capacity to look after that many prisoners, as they were a small unit moving forward. So, the enemy soldiers were all shot, except one guy who could cut hair, because they needed a barber.

    So they let a bloke with blades near their head after they killed 19 of his mates?

    I’m pulling the bullshit card on that one.

  213. Tailgunner

    I like the pub scene.
    Me&AC/DC approve.
    😎

  214. OldOzzie

    Lessons from London: You Can’t Fix Jih*d

    The latest terrorist attacks in England illustrate the inadequacy of conventional law enforcement and criminology for dealing with ideologically-driven violence. Rehabilitation programs and criminal justice approaches that might work with thieves, muggers or even some murderers have proven spectacular failures when it comes to Isl*mists. In spite of many attempts, no one has figured out how to rehabilitate jih*dis such as Sudesh Amman, the Streatham stabber, or Usman Khan, the London Bridge stabber, or the three London Bridge stabbers before that. With apologies to comedian Ron White, you can’t fix jih*d.

  215. JC

    Twostix
    #3336897, posted on February 27, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    About 50% of indian doctors are completely incompetent and immediately write a script for antibiotics no matter what you say to them.

    They’re basically just script vending machines.

    Everyone knows the cliniics to go around here to avoid them.

    The obvious question is how are they practicing? And how can we trust the medical profession that lets them?

    Even so, isn’t the market doing exactly what it should be, which is separating the good from the chaff? You said yourself everyone avoid them.

  216. Tailgunner

    With a very intelligent family.
    The brains behind the revolution.
    All hail the Cattocracy!
    The best dacha’s are already taken….
    Winning
    Although if the Putsch fails, we’re all gonna get good at chess. And arm wrestling.
    🤣
    No one said nooses?!
    H/t Hillbot 2.1
    But yeah, a deep hole for a bit of a stretch.
    #LooknYaGrandkidsInTheEye

  217. vr

    Astounding good find. Did you check the maturity date on those bonds? July 15, 2020 they will pay up, but hey the bondholders lose all their money if an “event” occurs before that date. Gosh! If this Coronavirus reaches the scale of an official “event” in the next few months, why they won’t need to pay the money back.

    Tel — I though Tranche B was interesting.

  218. Softly touch the withered souls of long gone friends
    My dear old girls who suffered in the drought
    Now it rains, I remember you and all your struggle

    Helen, Helen…you made me cry!
    I have some lovely registered cows that I couldn’t see go to the abattoir. Winter of 2018 was the worst when it appeared for a while that we couldn’t procure hay anywhere. At huge cost and effort we have seen them through. But your lovely poem reminded how close we came.

  219. JC

    Forms of public disclosure in the US is fantastic.

    One state worker logged 3,600 hours of overtime last year – an additional 69 hours a week – that brought her $231,000 in overtime payments alone.

    The worker, Denise Williams, a security training assistant at the Kirby Forensic Psychiatric Center in Manhattan, ended up making nearly $322,000 in earnings in 2019, including the most in overtime of any state worker in New York, records showed.

    It was the second year in a row she topped the overtime earners list, the records obtained by the USA TODAY Network New York through a Freedom of Information request showed.

    In 2018, Williams registered 3,560 hours of overtime, leading to $200,000 in overtime alone. She could not be reached for comment Thursday at the center.

    Three state workers raked in more than 3,000 hours in overtime in 2019, prompting Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli to caution state agencies to take care when allowing overtime.

  220. Roger

    That problem is mass fraud in indian certifications and corruption in our standards boards waving many incompetents through and dumping them into regional areas to make up the numbers.

    And, subsequently, a misplaced solidarity in the medical profession.

    Doctors were still defending Patel after RN Toni Hoffman blew the whistle on him.

  221. Tailgunner

    On the streets of gentryfied TigerTown…
    Over 50% of men are gay.
    Lol.
    Profit.

  222. JC

    And, subsequently, a misplaced solidarity in the medical profession.

    Oh yea, the solidarity argument and we end up with the far left AMA.

  223. Roger

    Even so, isn’t the market doing exactly what it should be, which is separating the good from the chaff?

    In the case of medical practitioners, it shouldn’t have to.

    Legally, that’s the job of the registering board.

  224. Old School Conservative

    Now I just wonder where the Rugby rot started?
    ARU board member Liz Broderick believes Rugby can change Australia and she, Ann Sherry and Pip Marlow, are three women who want to help it along.
    Liz Broderick says the international nature of Rugby lured her to the sport originally.
    “When I looked at my involvement and particularly at the governance level it was about looking at a sport that was truly global and I think Rugby is,” she said.
    “Also a sport that has the power to create change in the nation and that’s really what attracted me to Rugby
    .”
    (Rugby.com.au Feb 2016). Castle was appointed CEO of RA in Dec 2017.
    QED.

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