Wednesday Forum: February 26, 2020

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1,771 Responses to Wednesday Forum: February 26, 2020

  1. Infidel Tiger

    No. No. No. No.

    A US recession this year will hurt President Trump in November.

    A recession brought on by China and open borders?

    Nope.

  2. Old Ozzie:
    The unmanned tank will evolve from the unmanned fighter aircraft being developed today.
    Whilst there is really no substitute at present for the trained wetware in the tin can model, I think we are moving toward air/land/subsea platforms directing semi autonomous attendants in critical war fighting roles.
    A master submarine with a dozen or so torpedoes that can detach/hunt under direction/scout for information/return for refuel is one model.
    A fighter/bomber variant with a mix of air supremacy missiles/ground or sea attack/’whatever the mission is’ modules.
    It’s an interesting field atm.

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Best to get it first, when there’s a deluxe isolation suite standing by and the undivided attention of every specialist in the country, rather than one thousandth, when the best you can hope for is triage,
    an aspro and a half arsed “Good luck.”

    If that happens, don’t take the Aspro. lol

  4. Mater

    I wonder what contingencies our governments are preparing for COVID-19?

    More bollards. They’re the solution to all problems…apparently.

  5. Andreas

    This is the greatest opportunity since the end of WWII.

    We can grind the Chicoms, the neoliberals and globalists into the dirt and get our country back.

    I’m excited!

    Well people like to say the Chinese use the same word for crisis as they do opportunity. Crisi-tunity!

  6. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    我们性交
    Wǒmen xìngjiāo

  7. Eyrie

    “Don’t get the cruising thing.
    Surely being housed in small rooms in a place you can’t escape, served food that has been stored for weeks while old people die and get carted out every day, is something you will experience anyway once the kids consign you to an aged care home.”

    You could do something useful and go to jail for it instead.

  8. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Grate – stock market lemmings on the loose, again.

  9. Arky

    Korea opening drive- through corona testing stations.
    They check your temperature and lung function, then if symptomatic, take a throat sample and notify you in two days.
    This is innovation.
    Wouldn’t happen here.

  10. Gwendolyn

    Morrison has the opportunity to appoint at least one, maybe two, HC judges.

    Prepare to be disappointed.

    If only Roddy Meagher could rise from the grave.

    I asked a few days ago if anyone can think of a good Judge to fill the upcoming HC vacancies. Got zero (serious) replies.

    Is there really a deficit of reliable conservative members of the judiciary available for promotion to the highest court?

  11. twostix

    I’m not seeing too many out and proud open-borders “smash the racist nation state” libertarians and “liberals” around these days.

    Where you at?

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dr John Campbell’s videos have been very good this last month. No one who has watched them would be surprised about the present situation nor would they be under the illusion that this is no worse than the flu.

    I found them very good, but a little ponderous at times, most of it being very first year epidemiology lecture one stuff. They got more interesting as the epidemic progressed in China and one could see him moving from the general epidemiological party line into a more nuanced version, and then in the last few videos his exasperation at the WHO foot-dragging and the obvious obfuscation of the Chinese really started to show, plus his recognition was solid by this time that containment alone wouldn’t work, and that planning looked so far in the West to be fairly desultory given what might be coming. He also was very good on the levels of uncertainty in it all. His international contacts and the news they were delivering to him personally was real early bird stuff, especially re Japan and Iran. So helpful there.

  13. twostix

    The first country to spool up its industry before China collapses into a plague ridden nightmare will be able to provide for the whole world – desperate for goods – like the US did after WW2.

    Smart countries would be subsidising heavy industry in preparation.

  14. Gwendolyn

    I see Morrison is trying to take credit for his proactive response to the Chinese virus. But he’s just copying President Trump who did even more a day earlier.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    This is innovation.
    Wouldn’t happen here.

    It should happen here.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not seeing too many out and proud open-borders “smash the racist nation state” libertarians and “liberals” around these days.

    Where you at?

    The Huawei phones they use have run out of credit.

  17. johanna

    Reading about the third runway at Heathrow reminds me that there was a mini version of that about the third runway at Mascot. Went on for years, but eventually it got built. Same suspects, different excuses. They just hate runways.

    There is a hotel on Botany Bay where I have stayed several times that has an excellent view of the departures from the third runway. I’ve also been in planes that depart from there. It is one of the nicer departure points, you fly out to sea a bit and then down the South Coast before turning in to Canberra.

    That said, Sydney Airport is one of the ugliest structures I have seen. Inside and outside, there is nothing to please the eye. The notion that a public facility should please the eye has never occurred to anyone.

    When you look at Grand Central Station, or indeed Central Station in Sydney, and no doubt Victorian Cats have their own examples, something has changed.

    A welcome exception is Canberra Airport, owned by the Snow family. It has nice sculptures and lots of plants. Outside, there is a Japanese garden with a pond where the weary smoker can enjoy a durrie while waiting for transport.

    Privately owned, with pride.

    The Snows also own the Brindebella Business Park, where I worked for a bit. It had courtyards, fountains, sculptures – out in the middle of nowhere, although we could see the planes taking off frrom the airport.

    Of course, the ACT government hated and hates them, those promoters of ugly public art and the Hmong lesbian womens knitting collective against sexism, with other people’s money.

  18. mh

    twostix
    #3337552, posted on February 28, 2020 at 12:25 pm
    The first country to spool up its industry before China collapses into a plague ridden nightmare will be able to provide for the whole world – desperate for goods – like the US did after WW2.

    Smart countries would be subsidising heavy industry in preparation.

    Perfect timing for the UK.

    Unfortunately for them Boris’ green girlfriend has him under her thumb.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle:

    As to the vaccine – having it is one thing, producing it is another. But if the MIGAL people can develop the recipe there are a lot of industrial pharma companies that might be able to produce it using existing kit.

    I certainly hope there are industrial pharma companies outside of China to produce the vaccine and the syringes.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Trump 2020 should be a campaign to undertake the greatest infrastructure build in human history.

  21. Zatara

    I would withhold any vaccine or treatment until the rest of the world is fixed. Filthy beasts should also pay reparations.

    Yeah, except for all the other viruses, diseases, conditions, etc. whose medications are all made in…. China.

    Hopefully this crisis is opening some eyes about offshore production of necessities.

  22. Arky

    Perfect timing for the UK.

    ..
    What with?
    ..

    In 2016, the UK produced 8 million tonnes of steel. China produced 808 million tonnes in the same year.

    ..

  23. Infidel Tiger

    Yeah, except for all the other viruses, diseases, conditions, etc. whose medications are all made in…. China.

    China can make stuff with our IP and our designs.

    Left to their own devices they eat fermented bat testicles with sticks.

    The idea that the Chicoms are innovative is one of the most debilitating myths of the last 50 years.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    his proactive response to the Chinese virus

    Neither he nor Trump closed the borders early enough to the Wuhan epidemic. They waited three weeks more than they needed to, with an excess of caution. Many cases, albeit some of them although I bet not all of them asymptomatic, came into Australia in that period as tourism did the busloads as usual. Our own Chinese populations saved the day there – by insisting on some self-quarantines within their own communities and also putting schools on notice to protest the Government’s inadequacies in allowing recent entrants from China to freely attend.

    We went in one day’s decision from waving them all through at SYD with a desultory temp check if that to the next day making them walk through an eight person spray of concentrated disinfectant and requiring them to self-isolate. Still not good enough, but improving.

  25. Arky

    You don’t build an industrial base overnight.
    It takes decades.
    China has been systematically pursuing a modern industrial base for decades.
    Every other policy has been secondary to that aim.
    It is complex, difficult and time consuming.
    They were only able to do it due to our utter complacency and the complicity of our academics.

  26. Zatara

    China can make stuff with our IP and our designs.

    The point is, we can’t.

    The US closed its last penicillin plant in 2004, exporting the production to China.

    WTF were they thinking?

  27. areff

    Here’s Inspector Thompson’s full quote. The first paragraph is always omitted in media coverage.:

    Speaking on Thursday, Inspector Thompson had stressed that:

    Our job as investigators is to keep a completely open mind.

    “We need to look at every piece of information and, to put it bluntly, there are probably people out there in the community that are deciding which side to take, so to speak, in this investigation,” he said.

    “Is this an issue of a woman suffering significant domestic violence and her and her children perishing at the hands of the husband, or is this an instance of a husband being driven too far by issues that he’s suffered, by certain circumstances, into committing acts of this form?

    Clearly, the third paragraph is rhetorical, expanding on his speculation of “two camps” evolving. His second paragraph summarises those viewpoints. The “driven too far” is not his opinion and never was.

    The poor bugger was lynched for the crime of stating his intention to ascertain the facts before arriving at a conclusion.

    Arndt’s crime was failing to understand that conservatives — that term used laughingly in reference to Liberal senators — will leave you dangling in the wind at the first hint of deviance from the ABC-Nine-Guardian line.

  28. twostix

    Speaking of activist judges, this account of a Kirby speech is an important read.

    There was also a hint that beneath the cuddly exterior there beats a more steely heart. Justice Kirby’s main response to my argument was to point out how lucky I was to live in a country where I was permitted to dissent from his viewpoint. I felt suitably patronised, as though I were supposed to be grateful. But also a little threatened. The not so subliminal message was a warning to be careful how we used the freedom of expression—lest we lose it—in the name of tolerance.

    For now.

    We see you, Kirby.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    You don’t build an industrial base overnight.
    It takes decades.

    Maybe when neoliberals are running the show. When nationalists are in charge, things can happen fast.

  30. Gwendolyn

    Infidel Tiger:

    A US recession this year will hurt President Trump in November.

    A recession brought on by China and open borders?

    Nope.

    Remember Rush Limbaugh’s “Low-information voters”? They broke a habit of a lifetime and voted Republican on the promise of things being different and better. Donald Trump has delivered and should be moonwalking to re-election.

    But try explaining to them they’re losing their jobs or they’re earning less than last year, but it’s really not the President’s fault.

    What’s that old phrase? “It’s the economy, stupid!”

    So don’t wish a bad economy on the President. At least not this year.

  31. Arky

    Total U.S. steel production in 2019 increased to 88.0 million metric tons from 86.6 million metric tons in 2018, a 1.6% increase.

    ..
    Even under Trump, it can only come back slowly.
    China 800 million tonnes
    USA 88 million tonnes.
    UK 8 million tonnes.

    ..
    USA produces one tenth of the steel China produces.
    The UK produces 1/100 the steel China produces.
    You don’t build steel mills and train steel workers in a year or two.
    This will take decades to turn around, if IF IF we have the will to start now.

  32. Arky

    This will take decades to turn around, if IF IF we have the will to start now.

    ..
    A hint how this turns out: We don’t have the will. Dickheads are protesting and airport runway in London and we haven’t built a dam in decades.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    USA produces one tenth of the steel China produces.

    Um, it only needs 1/10th of the steel China does.

    That is a stupid stat.

    China also produces more incels and feces infected rice.

  34. Mother Lode

    Just saw this:

    Well yes, but with the initial furore after she (Bettina Arndt) was awarded the AM, she must have known – particularly given the reaction to DI Thompson’s statement – that her subsequent comments on the Baxter case would have further enraged her enemies. She may not have anticipated the Senate pile-on, but she must have been aware that she had, as they say, considerably upped the ante.

    So why did she she do it? Courage, stupidity or deliberate provocation?

    The reason so many pernicious and unjustifiable ideas, such as women only ever being driven to murder (often by men) but men murder because it is their nature, and ideas like domestic violence being only ever perpetrated by men because they are men, is because they are no longer discussed.

    She has made the usual suspects come straight out and articulate their thoughts and they can now be given scrutiny.

    We would not have the Libs showing themselves to be lowlife sacks of cytoplasm without even the DNA for backbones, Ergas’ column, and other newly raised voices that had not really given it much thought before because everything seemed to be just humming along in the background.

    Nothing sounds stupid until it said.

  35. Gwendolyn

    You don’t build an industrial base overnight.
    It takes decades.

    Maybe when neoliberals are running the show. When nationalists are in charge, things can happen fast.

    How America ramped up industrial production in WWII shows you how it can be done.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    China is dying before our eyes and still you lot are unhappy.

    What else do you want?

  37. johanna

    People who have some knowledge have been discussing serious stuff. Go and enroll in a degree in epidemiology and come back when you can contribute meaningfully to medical-based discussions.

    You’ve been told, cats and kittehs, Lizzie has just told us who can and cannot be involved in the dicussion.

    BTW, Lizzie, way upthread you demonstrated that you do not know the difference between ‘disinterested’ and ‘uninterested,’ amazing for a brilliant academic such as yourself. 77 years and you never learnt that, which I learned in high school.

    But, but – your extraordinarily high IQ, amazing beauty, charity to the unfortunate, ability to break the bounds when it comes to picking up a younger man:

  38. Mitch M.

    He did. Go and listen to the press conference, or are you opining without have heard what he actually said?

    Domestic violence or driven too far. A very strange binary. Obviously it is domestic violence on stilts,obviously at the time there was no evidence of driven too far. To suggest these as alternate possibilities when one is a fact and the other is speculation is a very poor choice of words. Why even place those two concepts together when one is proven and other is a guess?

  39. Gwendolyn

    China is dying before our eyes and still you lot are unhappy.

    What else do you want?

    President Trump for Four More Years. And I don’t want anything to hurt his economy before he gets re-elected.

    Why do you want to make things harder for the President and probably make winning back the House impossible?

  40. mh

    Maybe when neoliberals are running the show. When nationalists are in charge, things can happen fast.

    Exactly. The UK had a totally depleted military in 1939. They got up and running again using the great minds, strength and resources of Britain. Hitler and Goering quickly had a change of plans.

  41. Mitch M.

    The other problem is who decides what “driven too far” entails. There’s no way we can make that determination because it varies so much across individuals.

  42. mh

    A hint how this turns out: We don’t have the will. Dickheads are protesting and airport runway in London and we haven’t built a dam in decades.

    So much negativity from Arky. Sad.

  43. Zatara

    How America ramped up industrial production in WWII shows you how it can be done.

    Absolutely true. But in 1939 America was full of unemployed machinists, carpenters, welders, mechanics, electricians, heavy equipment operators, etc. etc.

    Now they have basements full of kids who know how to code video games.

  44. Struth

    They were only able to do it due to our utter complacency and the complicity of our academics.

    and our traitorous pollies shackling us to Socialist UN envirosabotage to give China a free run.

  45. lotocoti

    I thought most of the USA’s steel production was reprocessing scrap.

  46. Arky

    China is dying before our eyes and still you lot are unhappy.

    What else do you want?

    ..
    I don’t want China to die.
    I want China to do well and for the West to get up off it’s arse and compete.

  47. Porter

    ‘Gay guys don’t do graffiti’: Roxy Jacenko AVO bid fails

    Anthony Hess was accused of labelling PR queen Roxy Jacenko a “c***” in a graffiti attack on her office — but her bid for a restraining order was declined after he told the court it wasn’t his “style”

  48. Gwendolyn

    China also produces more incels

    Part of their incel problem is all those Western men who marry Asian women. You never see a Chinese man married to a White woman do you?

    Maybe what they need is a “public education campaign” with a slogan like:

    “Think of the Chinese incels. Marry a White woman.”

  49. Cassie of Sydney

    I see Irma van Douche is in fine form….”But, but – your extraordinarily high IQ, amazing beauty, charity to the unfortunate, ability to break the bounds when it comes to picking up a younger man

    Lizzie is all of the above things but she is also something infinitely more….something that Irma can never be…which is that Lizzie is a truly lovely person with a lot of friends.

    Jealousy is such a curse.

  50. Gwendolyn

    Now they have basements full of kids who know how to code video games.

    Get them out and doing real work.

  51. Arky

    Humanity can only improve in a war between competing ideologies and you can only have competing ideologies if both sides compete.
    Not if one side rolls over in embarrassment and gives in because real work is too hard and factories aren’t nice places and steel towns look dirty and are full of rough people.

  52. mh

    I don’t want China to die.
    I want China to do well …

    I think you can stop right there, Arky.

    We get the picture.

  53. Des Deskperson

    ‘So Des…are you now saying that Conservatives, libertarians and really anyone who doesn’t conform and doesn’t prescribe to the neo-Marxist, progressive, Green far-left zeitgeist must now watch their words and vacate the public space…’

    No, Cassie, I made it clear, I though, that Arndt is the victim of a political witch hunt. My interest is why she, prima facie, deliberately made things worse for herself.

    The original issue about her being awarded an AM would, in my view, have been quietly shelved after the heat died down, given its potential for a considerable loss of face by the Council of the Order of Australia and the Governor-General and his Office and the precedent it would have set for other strippings, not to mention the possibility of lawsuits

    Her weighing in on the Baxter case, apart form generating considerably more heat and anger, has now at least arguably given the Council and the GG an out they can use – how could they have known, when they made the award, that she would come out with what she did?

    She must also, prima facie, have been aware, given she was already, after the AM award, under fire as a polemicist with ‘unfashionable’ views on gender, that her support for DI Thompson was unlikely to be helpful to him.

    Arndt has always stuck me as a person who knows what she is doing, so I find it hard to buy the ‘impulsive tweet” angle.

    So it gets back to my original question: Why did she she do it? Courage, stupidity or deliberate provocation?

  54. Nick

    Strange, the only world leader the media is castigating has a surname starring with a T and not an X

  55. calli

    I wouldn’t have picked Henry Ergas for a virtue signaller.

    How unfortunate.

  56. bespoke

    America are making high end machines and tools and are as aspirational as ever. This is going on in spite of the noise. It would be a mistake for anyone to count them out yet.

    Arky?

  57. Arky

    mh
    #3337598, posted on February 28, 2020 at 1:00 pm
    I don’t want China to die.
    I want China to do well …

    I think you can stop right there, Arky.

    We get the picture.

    ..
    Don’t be dishonest.
    Put the full qoute there:

    I want China to do well and for the West to get up off it’s arse and compete.

  58. 8th Dan

    It’s a Dutch ship. Surely that counts.

    It’s an American ship … built in Italy in 1997. It’s never been a Dutch ship.

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “Des Deskperson
    #3337599, posted on February 28, 2020 at 1:00 pm
    ‘So Des…are you now saying that Conservatives, libertarians and really anyone who doesn’t conform and doesn’t prescribe to the neo-Marxist, progressive, Green far-left zeitgeist must now watch their words and vacate the public space…’

    No, Cassie, I made it clear, I though, that Arndt is the victim of a political witch hunt. My interest is why she, prima facie, deliberately made things worse for herself.”

    But where did she make things worse? By subscribing to this….you are buying into and confirming the progressive left bile of confected outrage…which other supposed conservatives.. wimps such as Credlin and Blot….have also bought into.

  60. dopey

    No third runway at Heathrow. Some pilots might be in for a shock as they get close to landing.

  61. mh

    SCMP

    The pet dog of a Hong Kong Covid-19 patient has tested “weak positive” for the new coronavirus, the government announced on Friday.

  62. johanna

    Another of my favourite authors of the Golden Era of detective novel is Gladys Mitchell. She had as a central character a dinguished psychiarist and consultant to the Home Office, Mrs Bradeley. She said:

    ‘Masochist + sadist = happy marriage’ whan asked about the relationship of a couple in The Saltmarsh Murders.

    A great book.

  63. mh

    Arky, China is run by Communists.

    You want China to do well.

  64. Zatara

    America are making high end machines and tools and are as aspirational as ever. This is going on in spite of the noise. It would be a mistake for anyone to count them out yet.

    Oh I’m not counting them out, in fact I’m counting on them.

    But they need to continue Trump’s efforts to reclaim their national industrial capability and bring production home. Inherent in that is a shift from BS liberal arts education to more technical, even dirty hands, education. They need more engineers and tradies and less leftist protestors with worthless liberal arts degrees.

    They need to return to a nation of competitive producers, not one of mere consumers. (And by ‘them’ I really mean all of us in the west).

  65. Arky

    Vatican officials have refused to comment on whether Pope Francis has been tested for coronavirus, confirming only that the pontiff skipped a planned Mass for the start of Lent due to a slight illness.

    “This morning the pontiff did not go to St. John Lateran basilica for the Penitential Mass with Roman clergy,” Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said in a statement given to the Telegraph.

    “Due to a light indisposition he preferred to stay near [his Vatican residence] Santa Marta. Other duties are proceeding regularly.”

    Mr Bruni declined to respond to the question of whether or not the pontiff had been or will be tested for coronavirus, which has infected 650 people in Italy and caused disruption across the north of the country.

    Concern over the Pope’s well-being circulated o

  66. calli

    Arky, China is run by Communists.

    You want China to do well.

    And it is full of people. Just like us. Part of “doing well” would be to become more westernised.

    No more chomping on infected rodents would be a start.

  67. Zatara

    On Sunday Peter Navarro told Maria Bartiromo (on Fox business channel) that China put export restrictions on N95 face masks and then nationalized an American factory that produces the masks.

    And still the west sleeps.

  68. mh

    It’s bewildering that there are people here that still view China as somewhat benign.

  69. Arky

    Arky, China is run by Communists.

    You want China to do well.

    ..
    Don’t confuse China for the gangsters running the place.

  70. 8th Dan

    Spectrum of the Seas has been repositioned to Sydney

    Royal Caribbean is offering free 4 day cruises on this very new ship to Australian firies and other first responders.

  71. mh

    Off to do some very non productive work.

  72. Diogenes

    Now they have basements full of kids who know how to code play video games.

    I fixes it !

  73. OldOzzie

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3337432, posted on February 28, 2020 at 10:38 am
    An oxygen concentrator can be had for $500. I m thinking if this thing runs away here, given they are now allowing chicom students in, having your own supply of oxygen could be lifesaving. I already have a pulse oximeter.

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Son has bought me a pulse oximeter

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  74. mh

    One last thing…

    Speaking of the UK, they have reached a new low by giving Atlantic storms names.

    The latest is Storm Jorge. This will produce bands of rain and gale force winds.

  75. Roger

    Reading about the third runway at Heathrow reminds me that there was a mini version of that about the third runway at Mascot. Went on for years, but eventually it got built. Same suspects, different excuses. They just hate runways.

    Yet they all want their WEB overseas each year.

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You’ve been told, cats and kittehs, Lizzie has just told us who can and cannot be involved in the dicussion.

    No. I’ve just told them that you show your ignorance quite often.

    I’ve always wondered why you, an intelligent woman albeit one with an enormous shoulder chip about something or other, have done so little with your life, happy to spend it as a lower-level public servant, and to never marry or have a family. Nor are you doing anything with your retirement. Where are your publications? What are you studying? Do you have anything worthwhile now you are trying to achieve? Volunteering? Running an orphanage or raising funds for one? I cannot even hazard a guess at why you are so bitter and essentially unproductive – your life, your problems.

    In the end all that has happened is that you envy and try to pull down those who made other choices.
    Especially me. My cross to bear, I suppose. All of the above said, I am basically uninterested in you although above I have tried to give you my best disinterested opinion of your achievements.

    How lucky you were to have had the opportunity of a very good high school education.
    What a shame you have done so little since then to enhance it.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    Don’t confuse China for the gangsters running the place.

    Yeah, and the Nazis were just a couple of troublemakers with no popular support.

    China is a billion people strong crime cartel.

  78. notafan

    Oh Gwengrig

    ‘never see a western woman married to a Chinese man.’

    I know several, one very well indeed.

    Admittedly westernised Chinese but still.

  79. Gwendolyn

    ‘never see a western woman married to a Chinese man.’

    I know several, one very well indeed.

    What was she thinking??

  80. Roger:

    Why does government need to “back” anything?

    Because Canberra is the centre of the universe and all knowledge lies there.
    Because the system that lifted billions out of poverty and starvation is incapable of directing itself.
    Because the nation will collapse in a shivering heap without the massive bloody egos that all know better than us, do not shed the pearly luminescence of their wisdom to lighten the the gloom and horror over our wretched daily existence.
    That’s why.

  81. Arky

    Yeah, and the Nazis were just a couple of troublemakers with no popular support.

    ..
    Yeah, and those who predicted Trump would lose in 2016 were just mildly wrong about something or other totally inconsequential, I’ve forgotten, what was it?

  82. cohenite

    Instead, the government will back hydrogen, carbon capture and storage, lithium and advanced livestock feed supplements.

    FMD, we’re doomed.

    Hydrogen blows up; the biggest bomb ever was a hydrogen bomb; it’s volatile, doesn’t store easily; has good energy density and is plentiful.

    Carbon capture is the most stupid idea ever. The energy required to extract CO2 from burning fossils is greater than the energy produced from the burning of the fossils. In addition the area required to store the slurry which contains the captured CO2 is at least equal to the hole created by the mining of the coal.

    Lithium mining is arguably the most polluting form of mining and known world reserves are tiny compared to the battery requirements, even assuming batteries could come anywhere near storing back-up energy.

    Advanced livestock supplements: WTF does that mean? To stop the poor things from farting? Numerous studies show livestock are CO2 neutral.

    Compare this bullshit with new coal, HELE, and new nuclear, both of which ‘burn’ their fuel at much higher temperatures with no pollutant by-product to speak off and efficiencies at least 50% greater than old coal and nuclear thereby automatically increasing reserves of both coal and uranium.

    All in response to a brain-fart, global warming, which has as its science pure piffle, amphigory and brain pus.

    Politicians should be drowned at birth.

  83. Arky

    China is a billion people strong crime cartel.

    ..
    If the Chinese people are the same as their leaders, so must you be.
    You are Malcolm Turnbull and your missus is Juliar Gillard.

  84. Roger

    Because Canberra is the centre of the universe and all knowledge lies there.

    The triumph of the managerial class.

    The end stage of capitalism predicted by James Burnham many moons ago.

  85. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    We don’t have the will. Dickheads are protesting an airport runway in London and we haven’t built a dam in decades.

    Not to mention blowing up our coal fired power stations.

  86. Thefrollickingmole

    Compare and contrast.
    Scumbag man kills wife and kids in a horrible way before offing himself.
    Swiftly woman doctor bludgeons allegedly abusive ( because the dead can’t testify) to death with a hammer in his sleep and is released with Simmons groups agitating against her deportation.

    It’s not that I think many of the blokes are being unfairly judged or sentenced, it the double standards and lowered “ capacity” assigned to women is surely an echo of the old “ pleading the belly”.

  87. Struth

    Gwendolyn dear, many men have wisened up to the “marry a white woman” concept.
    They prefer their other halves to be feminine and , I dunno, useful.

  88. Arky

    You are Malcolm Turnbull and your missus is Juliar Gillard.

    ..
    I hope the leather jacket compensates for having to root that honking, fat arsed red thing.

  89. OldOzzie

    8th Dan

    Did you try Mitre 10 Oxford Street Paddington for IP95 Face masks?

  90. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Canberra is the centre of the universe and all knowledge lies there.

    Indeed, it is a veritable suppository of knowledge. Any sensible idea or knowledge ventures there only to be stuffed into a figurative black hole, never to be seen or heard of again.

  91. Infidel Tiger

    ..
    If the Chinese people are the same as their leaders, so must you be.
    You are Malcolm Turnbull and your missus is Juliar Gillard.

    You are the offspring of Helen Clark and Adern.

    Be quiet, you Chicom fellating interloper.

  92. mh #3337615, posted on February 28, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    It’s bewildering that there are people here that still view China as somewhat benign.

    Indeed.
    Pearl Harbour is forgotten. The PRC pearl is on the horizon.

  93. NoFixedAddress

    And you mungrels got rid of the only PM we have ever had that named the pandemic,

    “rat fuckers”

    shame on you

  94. johanna

    Lizzie, your condescending homily to me says all there is to say. Look at me! How wonderful am I, compared to someone who lives happily in Queanbeyan! This person is obviously an underachiever!

    Our resident interlecshural doesn’t know the difference between ‘disinterested’ and ‘uninterested’.

    Oh, and I also knew what ‘denoument’ meant, for whatever dickhead assumed that nobody but him had ever heard of it.

    Some people here are seriously up themselves.

  95. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    That’s enough mangled metaphors from me for one day. Anyway, gotta zip, those chickens aren’t going to count themselves before they cross the road.

  96. Fat Tony

    This WZV outbreak in China will kill many people – but the real death toll will come from starvation.
    No food, no transportation, no access to cities.

  97. Arky

    China is a billion people strong crime cartel.

    ..
    There are worse things than being in a crime cartel.
    Like selling your own out to the crime cartel.
    But there are worse things than selling your own people out to the crime cartel.
    Like being the saps who could have stopped it, but were too lazy and stupid and morally degenerate to do anything about it.
    Well, there is nothing I can do directly about the Chinese communist crime cartel. And there probably isn’t anything I can do about those who are selling us out. But I can, and do and will continue to point out to the ordinary people that they need to stop being lazy, stupid and morally degenerate.

  98. NoFixedAddress

    When is some mongrel Australian dick politician going to start reducing the communist laws and regulations.

  99. 8th Dan

    OO … no, I didn’t get to the Mitre 10 on Oxford Street.
    I do have a good supply of others which I think will suffice.

  100. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    point out to the ordinary people that they need to stop being lazy, stupid and morally degenerate

    Have you tried that novel concept of leading by example?

  101. Confused Old Misfit

    FMD
    If it isn’t numbers vs the world or
    JC vs cohenite or
    Arky vs Armadillo
    it’s
    Lizzie vs Joanna.
    Does the Doomlord give out title belts for participation these stoushes or just little plastic trophy cups (engraving extra)?
    There are no winners.

  102. bepoke

    8th Dan

    Did you try Mitre 10 Oxford Street Paddington for IP95 Face masks?

    ===

    8th Dan
    #3337660, posted on February 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm
    OO … no, I didn’t get to the Mitre 10 on Oxford Street.
    I do have a good supply of others which I think will suffice.

    😂

  103. calli

    You are the offspring of Helen Clark and Adern.

    An intergeneric hybrid?

    No wonder he’s so cross.

  104. Arky

    Clean your room, then six weeks, cooler.
    No ride in the Model A for you.

  105. NoFixedAddress

    donate

    fuck off you commo prick

  106. Confused Old Misfit

    Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I would say that yes, Arky has tried leading by example.
    Perhaps more than many.

  107. bespoke

    I can ask my kid to 3d print one for you COM

  108. calli

    You’ve lost your “s”, pokester.

    Here. Have one of mine.

    s

  109. Gwendolyn

    Gwendolyn dear, many men have wisened up to the “marry a white woman” concept.
    They prefer their other halves to be feminine and , I dunno, useful.

    There are plenty of feminine and useful White unmarried women to be found in church. Most will even want to take a wow to “obey” their husbands. The only thing they won’t do are some of the perverted sexual things Asian woman are renowned for.

    No White man needs to marry an Asian woman. They choose to.

    White women who marry Asian men, they’re clearly wanting an emasculated mate and all the soyboys must have been taken.

  110. Arky

    Have you tried that novel concept of leading by example?

    ..
    Bloody.
    I’m too busy pointing out how fucked everyone else is.
    Haven’t you been listening to a thing I’ve said?

  111. calli

    X Arky aotearoaum

    A vigorous survivor, but very cantankerous.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    Instead, the government will back hydrogen, carbon capture and storage, lithium and advanced livestock feed supplements.

    Cohenite – While I mostly agree with you, I like this idea for a number of reasons.

    The hysteria from the bushfires has been whipped up to a frenzy level which requires Something To Be Done in the climate area.

    The money has to be spent, there’s no political alternative. So spending it on fake climate stuff which is fairly harmless is an elegant idea. Much better than more wind turbines, subsidies and crazy stuff which would hurt people, the economy and wildlife.

    Hydrogen is awful for cars. But it can be used to supplement reticulated natural gas, which we’re short of due to greenies. So the money spent on hydrogen won’t be totally wasted.

    Carbon capture is a stupid idea, but the economics are so awful it will never go anywhere. The “R&D” spend will be pretty harmless, unlike say bird choppers.

    Lithium mining and processing isn’t too bad. We have huuuuge reserves of lithium in Australia, enough for 100 years world consumption at the current rate. In WA and NT at least a billion tonnes of spodumene resources in the ground at 1% Li. And I suspect there’s plenty more to be found. None of it gets processed in Oz (except to a concentrate) because greenies, it gets sent to refineries in China. Which is fine by me.

    Advanced livestock supplements is code for helping farmers and keeping Nats happy. All sorts of stuff can be hidden in that area.

    So if the money has to be spent this concoction at least does no harm. Once the money spending gets going the ALP and Greens won’t be able to stop it, so it will suck money away from their mad schemes. And some tiny bit of positive stuff will come out of it, which is better than the alternative.

  113. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I don’t refer to “Arkytecture” because I’ve never learnt nuffin’ from you.

  114. Delta A

    The only thing they won’t do are some of the perverted sexual things Asian woman are renowned for.

    That is a truly disgusting post. Not what one expects from a Christian.

  115. C.L.

    Female police officers for sure:

    Mother Furious After QLD Cops Taser Daughter With Cerebral Palsy.

    “As police and staff attempted to calm the girl she lunged at an officer who subsequently deployed their taser.”

  116. notafan

    Oh give it a rest Gwen.

    But to answer your question

    Kind, gentle, hard working, a good saver, smart, thoughtful man who wanted to get married and have a family.

    Not an angry, resentful, drink gamble every pay packet, penniless, all women are bloodsuckers t’nder whinging kind of guy.

  117. cohenite

    There are no winners.

    I win every time against the head prefect; but is it winning if the other person doesn’t know they’ve lost. It’s like self abuse with no hands in a forest with a possum looking.

  118. notafan

    Delta A

    It’s grigs playing with a new handle.

    Not a Christian bone in his body.

  119. C.L.

    Most will even want to take a wow to “obey” their husbands.

    OK, I haven’t heard that one before. Take a wow. I like it. 🙂

  120. Mitch M.

    Carbon capture is a stupid idea, but the economics are so awful it will never go anywhere. The “R&D” spend will be pretty harmless, unlike say bird choppers.

    It is in relation to how the government is probably thinking about it. I saw a Swiss start up group that put forward the proposal for carbon capture but using it to feed into greenhouses, resulting in big spikes in production. The prototypes have been running for a few years and apparently showed promise. Bruce I don’t know if that is economically viable and of course on the program they said it will become so but it did strike me as an interesting idea.

  121. Delta A

    The only thing they won’t do are some of the perverted sexual things Asian woman are renowned for.

    My darling, late sister in law was Asian: a beautiful, refined and and respectful woman who loved my quirky brother when others couldn’t. I’m hard-pressed to think of a dozen ‘white women’ who could be so full of grace.

    We still mourn her, 10 years after her untimely death.

  122. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Arky is speaking the truth.

    Australia is going down the tubes at a great rate, and most people are too stupid to realise it.
    We will finish up, in the not too distant future as an example of how not to prosper in a country blessed with a massive amount of resources we were too stupid, and arrogant, to use.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, your condescending homily to me says all there is to say.

    Apologies if I hurt you there, Johanna, as I do not like being brutal towards another woman, but sometimes the truth does hurt. If you spent less time dissing me then I would feel no need to get rather pointed about your deficits.

    I don’t think you are very good at the sharp retort either. It comes out as simply a whine.
    I am better at it, far more experienced (put it down to age if you like) so it’s hardly a level playing field. Leave me alone, as I’ve often requested of you, and there will be no further damage.

    This morning I even tried to give some brief credence to your view of Corona virus as a meaningless epidemic, before putting a counter-position that was more realistically based. You should have just taken the small compliment that I paid any attention whatsoever to what you thought.

  124. calli

    How do you get a free-speech and liberty loving blog shut down?

    Why, hop on under an anonymous handle and make outrageous, sectarian, racist comments. And if they go unchallenged…bingo!

    Nice try.

  125. NoFixedAddress

    Gwendolyn
    #3337674, posted on February 28, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Gwendolyn dear, many men have wisened up to the “marry a white woman” concept.
    They prefer their other halves to be feminine and , I dunno, useful.

    There are plenty of feminine and useful White unmarried women to be found in church. Most will even want to take a wow to “obey” their husbands. The only thing they won’t do are some of the perverted sexual things Asian woman are renowned for.

    No White man needs to marry an Asian woman. They choose to.

    White women who marry Asian men, they’re clearly wanting an emasculated mate and all the soyboys must have been taken.

    Well done Gwendolyn

    As an evil person you have no pier.

    My Father actually disliked choose.

    Me, I would bulldoze Gaza into the sea. Great fishing.

    I would strip bomb Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan and hopefully when so called ADF investigators were there.

    If you are a Christian then shut your face.

  126. bespoke

    This is seriously going to escalate. Hope my ‘some training’ as a first responder comes in handy.

  127. johanna

    C.L., I recently read an ABC Online post where their, its, her, his and so on were used interchangeably to the point where I couldn’t figure out what had happened to whom.

    This is the Brave New World, where nobody has a clue what is going on, let alone how to describe it.

    As I have said before, when I was growing up as a child of migrants in the 1960s, we watched and listened to the ABC as a way of learning correct English. It worked pretty well.

    No chance of that nowadays.

    It highlights how powerless the ABC Board is. Ita was ruthless about spelling and grammar when she was in charge of her publications. She obviously has no say nowadays.

  128. Tel

    That is a truly disgusting post. Not what one expects from a Christian.

    Most of us have already figured out that Gwendolyn is a spoof Christian.

    Sometimes amusing … in the manner of a workman carrying a plank on one shoulder through the midst of a cream pie fight.

  129. notafan

    Exactly Calli.

    If it first you don’t succeed try try again

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My daughter-in-law, mother of my latest little grandson, is half-Asian and half-European.
    She is a double university medalist and an entirely delightful young woman.
    I also have a friend who is married to an Australian Chinese man. He is a source of great amusement in China as he doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. He does broad Strine very well though. He’s nearly six foot tall and a very competent engineer as well as an all-round nice guy. I can very much see why she married him.

  131. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Grate. Another birdstrike.

  132. Arky

    We will finish up, in the not too distant future as an example of how not to prosper in a country blessed with a massive amount of resources we were too stupid, and arrogant, to use.

    ..
    Damn right.
    When not even a cray pot gets lifted without the chicom’s local representatives getting their cut, you know we’re already sold and filleted.

  133. JC

    Went out for lunch with a couple of docs and a real estate agent. The Docs know as much as we do about the virus.which isn’t saying a lot. They appear to have no edge in terms of information save for a couple of sobering points. They agreed that the cat is out of the bag, won’t be stopped and because it appears to be so contagious all of us will end up contracting it. One reckons a vaccine isn’t too far away though.

  134. Delta A

    Sometimes amusing… in the manner of a workman carrying a plank

    Hey Vance!

  135. johanna

    Apologies if I hurt you there, Johanna, as I do not like being brutal towards another woman, but sometimes the truth does hurt.

    There she goes again, Lady Bountiful, more in sorrow than in anger, etc.

    You didn’t hurt me, you parvenu pseudo intellectual.

    Isn’t it time you exercised your brain cells at dance class?

  136. NoFixedAddress

    Spurgeon Monkfish III
    #3337701, posted on February 28, 2020 at 2:34 pm

    Grate. Another birdstrike.

    A non Christian shit.

  137. NoFixedAddress

    Gwendolyn and Malcom Turnbull make a great pair.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce I don’t know if that is economically viable and of course on the program they said it will become so but it did strike me as an interesting idea.

    Mitch – That’s a good one. Greenhouses run at about 1,000 ppmV of CO2, which is supplied by burning carbon containing stuff (which supplies useful heat too). Another is to use the CO2 to stimulate oil production eg in old Bass Strait oil fields. You don’t hype the oil stimulation bit, you just say it is injection and storage in old oil wells.

  139. JC

    The Dow hit a high of 29,400 on Feb 10. Last night’s close of 25,766, spits out a correction of `12.5%. Not a bad half a month’s effort.

  140. johanna

    She is a double university medalist and an entirely delightful young woman.

    Gosh, Lizzie and the university medals again. Is it a fetish? Of course, she lied to us for years about her ex-hubby, never failing to mention his alleged medal again and again and again and again and again and again …

    If she is, they are not worth a cracker these days. Double medallists used to come once in a decade, if that.

    Boasting, boasting … she just can’t help herself.

  141. Nick

    My daughter-in-law, mother of my latest little grandson, is half-Asian and half-European.
    She is a double university medalist and an entirely delightful young woman.
    I also have a friend who is married to an Australian Chinese man. He is a source of great amusement in China as he doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. He does broad Strine very well though. He’s nearly six foot tall and a very competent engineer as well as an all-round nice guy. I can very much see why she married him.

    FFS Lizzie, is there NO topic or situation that you can’t manufacture to insert yourself into ?

  142. JC

    Now this is diversity.

    He started his day at the four seasons, went to court and finished it at Rikers

    Harvey Weinstein Is in for a Rude Awakening on Rikers Island

  143. NoFixedAddress

    Gwendolyn

    you are evil

  144. Delta A

    Hey Vance

    That wasn’t exactly the clip I intended, but you get the idea.

  145. Porter

    Ex-ALP president hit with fresh child sex charges

    Peter Andrew Hansen was expected to be sentenced for child sex offences related to producing horrific videos while in Asia but prosecutors delayed the case to hit him with fresh allegations.

    Which ALP President hasn’t been charged or jailed for anything from fraud and extortion to child sex abuse? The Labor Party is an organized crime syndicate.

  146. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – The ASX fall this week is the biggest since Oct 2008 according to Nine news. I haven’t worked it out myself, but it’s pretty steep.

  147. Nick

    Speaking of accused sex offenders, has Twitter started its campaign yet for him to be stripped of all positions? ABC children’s entertainer and all that.

  148. Gwendolyn

    I also have a friend who is married to an Australian Chinese man. He is a source of great amusement in China as he doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. He does broad Strine very well though. He’s nearly six foot tall and a very competent engineer as well as an all-round nice guy. I can very much see why she married him.

    He sounds like he was adopted and raised by an Australian family. He’s ok.

  149. Porter

    Has Gwendolyn been smote yet?

  150. JC

    Does anyone recall this:

    When Big Fat Harvey’s behavior was exposed he said he was going to resign his position with the film business and spend full time going after Trump.

    Now he’s been convicted Trump reckons:

    Donald Trump: “I Was Never A Fan Of Harvey Weinstein,” Verdict Sends “Very Strong Message”

    and

    ‘Michelle Obama LOVED Harvey Weinstein.’ Donald Trump can’t resist a dig at former first lady and Hillary Clinton after movie mogul’s rape conviction which he calls ‘a great victory for women’

    He’s such a lovable fat-mouth.

  151. C.L.

    He started his day at the four seasons, went to court and finished it at Rikers

    That’s what you call a rude shock.

  152. Gwendolyn

    Tel
    #3337698, posted on February 28, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    Tel, is NFA your sock puppet? He acts like it.

    I don’t care if you want to slander my faith, that’s between me and my Lord, but isn’t it convenient how “NFA” sets you up to criticise me? Hmmm

  153. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    In its latest review of Australia’s liquid-fuel security, the Department of Environment and Energy found Australia had reserves of 18 days of petrol, 22 days of diesel and 23 days of jet fuel.

    Any idea how long now before the tankers of fuel from overseas stop turning up at Australian ports?

    Empty shelves in Coles and Woolies not that far away. Time to look anew at what we can hunt for ourselves.

  154. JMH

    We will finish up, in the not too distant future as an example of how not to prosper in a country blessed with a massive amount of resources we were too stupid, and arrogant, to use.

    I would go so far as to say that bridge has already been crossed. About 11 years ago.

  155. C.L.

    Rudd’s back, demanding a Coronastimulus package.
    He really is a deranged little maniac.

  156. Nick

    Health Minister Greg Hunt said people should go about their daily business and not worry about the virus for now.

    “Go down to the Chinese restaurant, go out to the football or the Grand Prix or the netball,” he said.

    Why would he mention only Chinese restaurants ? Oh hang on.

  157. Porter

    What gets me about Harvey is that out of all the women who came forward, he got done by two who bonked him for years and then cried rape. Sorry, Weinstein is an absolute creep, no doubt about it, but if that’s all they had. Err something doesn’t sit right with this., much as I’d like to see this shit in jail.

  158. Geriatric Mayfly

    China is a billion people strong

    Trying to estimate the ratio of people to bats. Can’t be that many of the fledermauses left so that all get an equal share.

  159. JC

    JC – The ASX fall this week is the biggest since Oct 2008 according to Nine news. I haven’t worked it out myself, but it’s pretty steep.

    Bruce, I really don’t know what to do here. I went with the bears and took my shorts back last night while still holding onto to my Aussie Dollar short.

    Here’s the bet.

    If you think this crap will get worse then stocks are heading much lower but it could be cushioned somewhat by central bank actions. If you think it’s overblown, the melt up could be massive, because I’m expecting the Fed to act. Everyone… the RBA, BOJ, ECB , BOE.. they’re all waiting for the Fed’s reaction and will follow on.
    There’s potentially a huge bet here that could make the year.

  160. Chris

    (Tiptoes out before anyone notices – scrolled by so many idiots that I almost missed the good people giving them hell)

  161. Infidel Tiger

    If you think this crap will get worse then stocks are heading much lower but it could be cushioned somewhat by central bank actions. If you think it’s overblown, the melt up could be massive, because I’m expecting the Fed to act. Everyone… the RBA, BOJ, ECB , BOE.. they’re all waiting for the Fed’s reaction and will follow on.
    There’s potentially a huge bet here that could make the year.

    When Biden smokes Sanders in the primary this weekend, expect a huge rebound on Monday.

  162. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The ASX fall this week is the biggest since Oct 2008 according to Nein news

    It’s down 7.9% in just on four weeks and 9.5% in the last week.

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Points falls are irrelevant.

    % matters.

  164. Infidel Tiger

    Rudd’s back, demanding a Coronastimulus package.
    He really is a deranged little maniac.

    Rudd has killed more Australians than global warming and coronavirus combined.

  165. bespoke

    Gwendolyn does sound a cartoon carcinization of a Christian that fits Iampeter’s view. But Imp is Imp.

  166. Concern over the Pope’s well-being circulated

    Pope Francis has a compromised respiratory system.
    At the age of 21 he suffered from life-threatening pneumonia with three cysts on a lung.
    He had part of that lung excised shortly afterwards.
    Corona virus would be life-threatening to someone of his age with his health history.

  167. JC

    Porter
    #3337733, posted on February 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    What gets me about Harvey is that out of all the women who came forward, he got done by two who bonked him for years and then cried rape. Sorry, Weinstein is an absolute creep, no doubt about it, but if that’s all they had. Err something doesn’t sit right with this., much as I’d like to see this shit in jail.

    It is shocking isn’t it. The tarts were bonking him for years after and sending him nice, romantic texts and he could get slammed for life.

    What’s also shocking is how they allowed Sciorra’s testimony even though the rape accusation was well past the expiry date.

  168. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    When Biden smokes Sanders in the primary this weekend

    I’m hoping Fauxcahontas emerges flinging pow wow chow from a trebuchet at the lying dog faced pony soldiers, fat broads and horse faced lesbians.

  169. Gwendolyn

    Yesterday this woman starts a fire in North Epping NSW and Police call it a “domestic dispute”.

    Today, a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

  170. NoFixedAddress

    1735099
    #3337742, posted on February 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    Concern over the Pope’s well-being circulated

    Pope Francis has a compromised respiratory system.
    At the age of 21 he suffered from life-threatening pneumonia with three cysts on a lung.
    He had part of that lung excised shortly afterwards.
    Corona virus would be life-threatening to someone of his age with his health history.

    Get stuffed number8

    So that excuses his fuck whittery?

  171. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s an American ship … built in Italy in 1997. It’s never been a Dutch ship.

    Phew. Not a strict and straight-laced Dutchy ship with cuisine to not enjoy? That’s good. But what part of Holland America have I got wrong? Personally, I’m happy with the America component, but the ship has a Dutch name too.

  172. Porter

    From a couple of days ago. The lesbians overseas have a high(est) divorce and I expect it will be the same here. Plus they have a high(est) incidence of DV, often both partners violent IIRC. This sort of nasty stuff is also common – but again more common among lesbians. I have an ethical problem with creating and freezing embryos and this sort of stuff is grotesque and Mengelesque:

    Same-sex embryo dispute breaks new legal ground

    A Sydney woman has asked the Family Court to order the destruction of 11 frozen embryos — even though she has no genetic link to them — but has denied she is acting “maliciously” towards her ex-wife in a case that is likely to break new legal ground in Australia.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    He’s such a lovable fat-mouth.

    JC – I suspect he’s also just putting a little something out there so that Michelle thinks twice about accepting a DNC coronation at the brokered convention.

  174. Porter

    Today, a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.

    The drive was an 89 year old man, who was NOT going very fast according to witnesses, and who has been taken to hospital for tests.

    But hey, thanks Gwen you fucking weirdo.

  175. Confused Old Misfit

    1735099
    #3337742, posted on February 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    Concern over the Pope’s well-being circulated

    His demise could cause quite a shake up in the RC community.

  176. Cassie of Sydney

    “Today, a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.”

    Because it is not “terrorist related”…the driver was an elderly 89 year old man. He was trying to park a car in the disabled spot. It is a tragic accident…not a terrorist incident. A 39 year old woman is now dead.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Might pick up a Chinese on the way home from drinkies tonight.
    Doing our bit, as instructed. And I love Chinese food.

  178. Porter

    He really is a deranged little maniac.

    Rudd, Turnbull, Dan Andrews, Adam Bandt, fat fuck SHY, bat shit crazy nasty bitch Krisitina Keneally… which politician isn’t a deranged little maniac?

  179. Rudd has killed more Australians than global warming and coronavirus combined.

    Rubbish.
    That record is held by Billy Hughes (WW1 – 62000), followed by John Curtin (WW2 – 27000), Bob Menzies (Korea – 340 and Vietnam – 521, over 202 of whom were conscripts).
    Arguably, the only conflict which justified casualties was WW2.
    That was the only war in our history in which we were fighting for survival.

  180. Porter

    That was the only war in our history in which we were fighting for survival.

    This comes from the man who likes to quote the Sermon on the Mount. In his particular translation it reads: when you see your neighbour drowning with some arsehole holding their head under water, walk on by, baby, just walk on by.

  181. JC

    JC – I suspect he’s also just putting a little something out there so that Michelle thinks twice about accepting a DNC coronation at the brokered convention.

    He’s the best concern troll in the world.

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.

    Seven showed an overhead shot, it’s clear the driver lost control at the intersection. Maybe bumped by another car, or swerving to avoid a collision. I was interested to see if it was an intentional act since there’s been a spate of such in Israel the last few weeks, but from the overhead view that looks not to be the case in this one. To start with the driver wouldn’t be able to see the cafe patrons because the car went through a hedge to hit them.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah, Cassie has the details. Thanks. Sad to hear the lady has died.

  184. Des Deskperson

    ‘But where did she make things worse?’

    Cassie, My comments relate solely to tactics. Arndt, by her comments, has enhanced, empowered and accelerated the campaign to strip her of her AM and given the GG and his people a better hook on which to hang any decision to do so.

    Her reasons for doing this are unclear. Since she is by all account an intelligent woman, we have to assume that she knew what she was doing and her provocation has some kind of agenda behind it. We have to bear in mind the any formal process to rescind the award is going to be time-consuming, fraught and lay all sorts of people open to lawsuits.

    Having said this, I restate my opinion that Arndt has been treated shamefully .

  185. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes, Gwen, he was raised by a nice Australian family. Who happen to be Chinese. He is a fifth generation Australian. They’ve been here since at least the early gold rushes and fought in two world wars for Australia.

  186. Confused Old Misfit

    1735099
    #3337756, posted on February 28, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    Are you trying to start a conflict here? Or are you really so dumb that you can’t understand the sentence: “Rudd has killed more Australians than global warming and coronavirus combined.”

  187. Gwendolyn

    Today, a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.

    The drive was an 89 year old man, who was NOT going very fast according to witnesses, and who has been taken to hospital for tests.

    Someone’s been drinking the MSM coolaid.

    Watch the news. Have you see a photo of the driver? No? Funny how the MSM doesn’t want to show his face, eh?

    But hey, thanks Gwen you fucking weirdo.

    If it walks like a Leftard, quacks like a Leftard, Porter’s probably a Leftard.

  188. Mark A

    Hope nobody is having a meal.
    Chinese food prep. enjoy.

  189. NoFixedAddress

    The current so called Pope is a Jesuit Argentinian communist

    The Jesuits used to be called The Devils Advocates to keep a Pope in line.

    Nowadays they are destroying Catholic Christianity and are the largest funder of caravans to the West.

    I actually support taxing every single so called NGO and Union and so called non-profits.

    The so called Reserve Bank of Australia knows every cent transferred into or out of Australia.

    Pell tried to fix the Vatican fund system and they got him

  190. Porter

    Jacinda Ardern and Scott Morrison had an awkward standoff as the New Zealand Prime Minister argued only genuine Kiwis should be sent back home under Peter Dutton’s tough deportation laws. Speaking at a press conference in Sydney on Friday, Ms Ardern criticized the Coalition’s deportation laws which send Kiwi criminals back to New Zealand no matter how long they have lived in Australia. Ms Ardern has always argued that people who have lived in a country for 10 years or more shouldn’t be deported after committing a crime.

    Morrison grinning like a Chesire cat while Bucky Beaver gives a windswept swipe. Headlines: strong woman, he got told, yada yada. If you are born in New Zealand you’re a genuine Kiwi. Suck it up princess.

  191. Bruce of Newcastle

    I see Numbers is calling an absolutely factually correct statement “rubbish”.

  192. Confused Old Misfit

    Mark A
    #3337766, posted on February 28, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    At least she tried to keep the bees out of whatever it was she was making!

  193. Porter

    Are Gwendolyn and NFA out on day release from the local loony bin?

  194. 8th Dan

    Has Gwendolyn been smote yet?

    For what? This is not Rugby Australia.

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    FFS Lizzie, is there NO topic or situation that you can’t manufacture to insert yourself into ?

    Look, Nick, here’s Gwennie slagging off at Chinese and marrying Chinese men and such.

    Why might I not use my own life and experience to suggest that she is bat-wing crazy?
    These things are true examples from my life, which has been long, varied in employment and experiences, and encompasses a wide family of children, grandchildren and rellies. Other people here do this with impunity but the minute I enjoin with the same sort of thing, down come the rampant critiques from the obsessives. Sometimes I think you might be better than this; other times, not so much.

  196. 8th Dan

    He started his day at the four seasons, went to court and finished it at Rikers

    Didn’t get to Rikers Island. Diverted to Manhattan Hospital.

  197. Gwendolyn

    “Today, a driver rams a cafe in North Epping NSW and Police day its not terrorist related.”

    Because it is not “terrorist related”…the driver was an elderly 89 year old man. He was trying to park a car in the disabled spot. It is a tragic accident…not a terrorist incident. A 39 year old woman is now dead.

    Ask yourself why none of the MSM news are showing any images of the driver.

    Usually they do sometimes blurring out his face.

    But a white cap is a bit hard to blur out completely.

  198. Porter

    Des, Arndt was merely supporting the cop, who got booted for … doing his job.

  199. Bruce of Newcastle

    Gwendolyn – As I said, Nine or Seven news (not sure which channel I was on at the time) showed an overhead view. There were tyre tracks in the grass and a hole in the hedge. The tyre tracks came from direction of the nearby intersection. No traffic lights at the intersection. It clearly looked to be an accident.

  200. NoFixedAddress

    We know that ABC folk get paid by private ‘concerns’ for using their ABC enhanced ‘names’.

    Pell was a year into his job as the head of the Vatican Secretariat for the Economy when the former choirboy first spoke to Victoria Police in 2015.

    Who paid milli and the so called judge?

  201. 8th Dan

    Des, Arndt was merely supporting the cop, who got booted for … doing his job.

    Nah, Arndt was doing more than that. She sent out a letter (email?) to her fan base saying she had information from a woman in Baxter’s family that contradicted the prevailing view of him and Hannah Clarke and that the information could be provided to an investigation and would turn the prevailing view around. Someone posted it in full on the previous OT or the one before it.

  202. twostix

    Has Gwendolyn been smote yet?

    It’d start to look a bit suspect if the only people who ever get “smote” here are opinionated rightwing christian women.

  203. NoFixedAddress

    lol

    i’m a tad raised but i’m thinking i’ll now go with the russian Orthodox.

    there is a church in canberra who believe that John came to the Ruskis as soon as.

    good people there.

  204. bespoke

    No opinionated rightwing christian women has ever been smoted.

  205. Des Deskperson

    ‘Des, Arndt was merely supporting the cop, who got booted for … doing his job.’

    Porter, if that really was her sole interest and intention, surely it would or should have occurred to her that the support of someone already, as a result her AM award, under fire as a polemicist with ‘unfashionable’ views on gender, was unlikely to be helpful to DI Thompson.

  206. twostix

    None and SRR weren’t banned?

  207. calli

    Srr got booted from Twitter too.

    And speaking of Twitter, I can’t find the tweet from Arndt about other evidence. I know I saw it. Did she take it down?

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    Abandon hope all ye who enter.

    Notice on clinic door today.
    If you have the following symptoms…………..
    If you have been to the following countries………..
    GO HOME AND CONTACT THE SURGERY BY TELEPHONE.

  209. calli

    I wish I’d taken a screenshot. And she introduced her comment with one of those “in for a penny, in for a pound” type statements.

  210. Fisky

    On Sunday Peter Navarro told Maria Bartiromo (on Fox business channel) that China put export restrictions on N95 face masks and then nationalized an American factory that produces the masks.

    It was only 5 minutes ago that “libertarians” were cheering on Beijing amd demanding we let them take over all our industries!

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    CNBC report suggests China is now foregrounding economic recovery, but in the US there is still concern on the home front (see other links listed here):

    Officials at the China’s National Development and Reform Commission said on Monday that the impact of new disease on the economy is rather great and its hit on employment “not small,” according to a CNBC translation.
    The difficulty for college graduates and agriculture workers will be greater, said You Jun, the assistant minister for human resources and social security.
    China says that some large enterprises are already getting up to speed.
    According to the National Development and Reform Commission on Monday, the rate of resumption of work for the iron and steel industry was at 67.4%, while that for nonferrous metals was at 86.3%. Food processing was back up at more than 70%, while coal mine production was back up at 76%, NDRC said.
    China will also roll out proactive fiscal and monetary policies, and targeted measures to help enterprises, said Xi on Sunday in what is seen as a sign of more aggressive measures to stimulate the economy.
    The People’s Bank of China said last Friday that it could adjust the benchmark deposit rate, among other measures to support the economy.
    — CNBC’s Evelyn Cheng contributed to this report.

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  212. Arky

    Just had a delivery to the door.
    Waved at the dude through the window to just leave it on the step.
    Can’t do it. You must sign.
    I don’t want to sign!
    You must sign!
    You sign for me.
    I can’t sign for you. You must sign!
    Just put my initials there.
    No, I can’t do that. You must sign!
    Hmmmmmmmmm.
    I’ve got the flu!
    Oh. I can sign! What are your initials?

  213. Abandon hope all ye who enter here.

    Only socks and rejected women’s weekly travelogues.

  214. DrBeauGan

    Have you tried that novel concept of leading by example?

    I do it all the time but nobody notices.

  215. Arky

    I do it all the time but nobody notices.

    ..
    He said leading by example,
    Not leading your axolotyl.

  216. NoFixedAddress

    this is the theme song for our communist Australian politicians

  217. Thanks for the Monty Python sketch, Delta A.
    Hadn’t seen it before, lolled all the way through.

  218. Arky

    Yes there is.
    Can’t you see it?
    axolotyl{- there

  219. calli

    I appear to be the slowest gumshoe in the business.

  220. bespoke

    twostix
    #3337796, posted on February 28, 2020 at 4:01 pm
    None and SRR weren’t banned?

    They weren’t banned for beeing rightwing christian women.

    As None was fond of saying “not all is as it seems”. 😎

  221. 8th Dan

    I appear to be the slowest gumshoe in the business.

    Too hard on yourself. You found the source.

  222. JC

    One doc I had lunch with, connected to a major hospital designated to deal with the virus, was saying they have a multitude of people coming in to be checked who only appear to have a flu or cold.

    Question.

    We know lots of people die from the flu. How do we know those reported dead from the corona didn’t die from a regular flue strain? Do they do tests? If so what tests.

    Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that’s higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.

    That’s 1284 people a day croaking it from a regular flu strain when you average the latest estimate. Assuming an even distribution and taking into account China is 16% of the worlds population, there would be 205 people dying of the flu in China each day. How can you tell if the person is croaking from corona or the regular flu?

    Let’s even give the numbers seasonal weighting and assume they all died in the colder 6 months of the year. That means 2,570 deaths a day worldwide caused by the flu and 410 deaths in China.

  223. Arky

    Grigory owns an axolotyl.
    Is that in addition to the bichon frise, or did something happen to Precious?

  224. Porter

    A former BP worker has won an appeal against a Fair Work Commission decision that found he was fairly sacked for using a ‘Hitler Downfall’ meme to parody the company during tense wage negotiations.

    The Fair Work Commission has decided to reinstate Scott Tracey who was sacked after he used a scene from the 2004 Oliver Hirschbiegel film about Adolf Hitler in a video meme during a long-running wages dispute last year. The commission rejected his unfair dismissal claim in September when it decided the video was offensive.
    An employee at BP was sacked after he used a scene from the 2004 film Downfall about Adolf Hitler in a video meme during a long-running wages dispute.

    An employee at BP was sacked after he used a scene from the 2004 film Downfall about Adolf Hitler in a video meme during a long-running wages dispute.Credit:YouTube

    Employment lawyer Kamal Farouque from Maurice Blackburn Lawyers said the Fair Work Commission had recognised the Hitler meme was a satire and that Mr Tracey had not likened BP management to Hitler or Nazis.

    “It is a great result for Scott. He is really pleased to get his job back and is looking forward to going back to work at BP refinery,” Mr Farouque said.

    The meme was posted on a closed Facebook site during protracted wage bargaining which started in 2017 and was taken from the German film Downfall. It was accompanied with captions and titled “Hitler Parody EA Negotiations not going the [company’s] way”.

    BP had described the video as “offensive and inappropriate”, saying it had likened managers to Hitler and Nazis. In her decision, deputy president Melanie Binet said she was satisfied the video “did in fact cause offence to a number of BP employees”. “I do not accept that by labelling something as a parody is a ‘get out of jail free card’ and necessarily means something is not offensive,” she said.
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    In its decision on Friday, the full bench of the Fair Work Commission said “it is apparent that the video does not liken BP management to Hitler or Nazis in the sense of
    stating or suggesting that their conduct or behaviour was in some sense comparable in their inhumanity or criminality. What it does do is to compare, for satirical purposes, the position BP had reached in the enterprise bargaining process as at September 2018 to the situation
    facing Hitler and the Nazi regime in April 1945.

    “The position might be different if the clip used from the Downfall film depicted Hitler or Nazis engaging in inhumane and criminal acts (as many other parts of the film do); in such a case a comparison in terms of conduct or behaviour might be inferred and reasonably be regarded as offensive. But it does not.”

    Australian Workers Union national secretary Daniel Walton said “workers should be able to take the piss out of management with their colleagues in their own time. The day that right is lost would be a very bleak day for Australia”.

    AWU West Australian branch secretary Brad Gandy said the decision “is a victory for workers’ rights in the digital era, a victory common sense, and a victory for Aussie larrikinism”.

    Really, some HR departments and senior managers need to get over themselves. To have to waste time and money defending yourself against this shit and worse, have a court decide if something is parody.

  225. Arky

    We know lots of people die from the flu. How do we know those reported dead from the corona didn’t die from a regular flue strain? Do they do tests? If so what tests.

    ..
    CT scans.
    The pattern in the lungs is different.
    It’s more likely a lot of people have died from corona and it was put down as flu instead especially at the start.

  226. Thefrollickingmole

    Arky, in the uncut version of silence of the lambs the fat chick eats it.

  227. Porter

    Porter, if that really was her sole interest and intention, surely it would or should have occurred to her that the support of someone already, as a result her AM award, under fire as a polemicist with ‘unfashionable’ views on gender, was unlikely to be helpful to DI Thompson.

    Au contraire, given she is an advocate for men, I would have probably expected her to support DI Thompson – who by the way, said nothing wrong. I note that there was no motion in parliament to “strip” him of any honours and awards. And really, Arndt is entitled to say whatever she likes. Why should she have to self-censor because of a bunch of malicious trolls and hand-wringing pantywaists. She’s entitled to an opinion and to express it.

  228. Porter

    I didn’t think None was a Christian. But from what Mark A told me, None got banned for having an opinion. SRR, too long ago. What did they do, I can’t remember.

  229. JC

    CT scans.
    The pattern in the lungs is different.

    You think they’ve tested everyone in China before or after death? It’s not a sarc as I’m really trying to understand this. Also Arky, most regular flue deaths occur as a result of pneumonia. These illnesses induce pneumonia, which is an illness in of itself. Can you tell if it was corona or regular flu induced?

  230. Struth

    It’d start to look a bit suspect if the only people who ever get “smote” here are opinionated rightwing christian women.

    The point is she is not that at all.
    She/he is not Christian at all and knows nothing about it, and is everything a lefty thinks [but has no idea] a right winger is.
    A white racist Christian, which is actually an oxymoron, as we know.
    She/he is nothing but a dumb lefty troll trying to get people to out themselves with views he/she thought they held, but finding the responses he/she is getting not the ones he/she expected.

  231. JC

    Gools, Precious and the fat chick in a scene.

  232. Dave in Marybrook

    No good for us high plains drifters Calli- you must be en-Twittered to access a right-winger’s twits.

  233. twostix

    Could be all that. Or could just be a normal right wing Christian lady Struth.

    They’re a dime a dozen where I live. Unafraid of internet people thinking they’re meanies, unlike a lot of fake conservatives.

  234. feelthebern

    ASX200 closed down 9.9% since its intra-day high on the 13th Feb.
    I blame Valentines Day for the drop.

  235. Porter

    Agree struth. Gwendolyn is no Christian. She’s a parody of what a lefty thinks a Christian is. Definitely a troll (and a boring one at that).

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