Tuesday Forum: March 10, 2020

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  1. Mark A

    EvilElvis
    #3355330, posted on March 13, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Ummm, that handout’s also going to Gold card holders……..

    What’s your point? The dole bludgers who get a gift from taxpayers every fortnight aren’t exactly going to miss out if they get the fucking virus. It’s situation normal. Why do they get another fucking handout?

    What is it going to solve anyway?
    The stupid insulation scheme at least did some good, albeit at an unacceptable cost.

  2. vlad

    The plod didn’t call Fr Egan as a witness even though he would have been with Pell at the time of relevant alleged events.

  3. Zatara

    Deficiencies in US health care in prep for cov19…., not knocking the docs.

    I’d read that with a grain of salt. Both authors worked for Obama pushing Obamacare.

  4. custard

    Doesn’t look like C.L. scrolls up dover

  5. Leigh Lowe

    vlad

    #3355328, posted on March 13, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    They will ensure that if GP gets off that he is perpetually referred to as ‘once convicted of sex offences’.

    That will be defamatory if they do.

    Indeed.
    If a HC appeal succeeds he is not ‘convicted’.
    I almost hope they try it and GP’s lawyers take them to the cleaners.
    I’ll bet ABC lawyers are concocting a form of words already to make him sound guilty without breaching defamation laws.

  6. miltonf

    Didn’t Hawke and Fraser actually cut PAYG tax for the ’77 and ’84 elections? Like they actually put money in people’s pockets?

  7. notafan

    DB

    Not to mention the hint, unless I got that wrong, that the police should have investigated whether Father Egan might have been the actual alleged villain in the melodrama.

  8. Nick

    Doesn’t look like C.L. scrolls up dover

    He commented just after Porter made his comment. If he didn’t see it, that’s his problem. Ignore his ‘what did he say’ comments.

  9. Lilliana

    Not stupid. Just fucking retarded!

    I would say both.

    The irony of paying the foreign incubators to restock shelves after panic buying caused by fear of the disease brought in by foreign incubators.

  10. EvilElvis

    What is it going to solve anyway?

    Solves nothing, potentially exacerbates a few of my previous issues.

  11. Marty

    The plod didn’t call Fr Egan as a witness even though he would have been with Pell at the time of relevant alleged events.

    I don’t understand why the defence did not call r Egan as a witness.

  12. Nick

    I’ll bet ABC lawyers are concocting a form of words already to make him sound guilty without breaching defamation laws.

    That was my point. Something snide no doubt

  13. calli

    Ahahahah! Of course it did.

    These creeps are so predictable.

  14. Mitch M.

    Best wishes Ozzie. In case you forgot I posted this months ago and it directly relates to immunotherapy.

    Creatine powers fight against cancer, improves efficacy of immunotherapies

  15. OldOzzie


    Adam Schiff’s Surveillance State
    An FCC official calls him out for obtaining call records without judicial review.

    By Kimberley A. Strassel WSJ

    Lawmakers are debating ways to prevent the Federal Bureau of Investigation from abusing its surveillance authority again. While they’re at it, they have an obligation to address their own privacy transgressor, Rep. Adam Schiff.

    That’s the gist of a pointed letter from Federal Communications Commissioner Brendan Carr, which landed Thursday at the House Intelligence Committee. Chairman Schiff spent months conducting secret impeachment hearings. His ensuing report revealed that he’d also set up his own surveillance state. Mr. Schiff issued secret subpoenas to phone carriers, to obtain and publish the call records of political rivals. Targets included Rudy Giuliani and another attorney of the president, the ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee (Rep. Devin Nunes) and a journalist (John Solomon).

    Impeachment is over, but Mr. Carr hasn’t forgotten this abuse of power, and his letter, which I obtained, calls for answers and reform. The FCC takes call privacy seriously, only recently having proposed some $200 million in fines on phone carriers for failing to protect customer data. Mr. Carr’s message to Mr. Schiff is that Congress doesn’t get a pass. It is not automatically entitled to “a secret and partisan process that deprives Americans of their legal right to maintain the privacy of this sensitive information.”

    Mr. Carr doesn’t dispute that Congress may, “in at least some circumstances,” have the legal authority to obtain call records under the Communications Act. The offense, he writes, was denying his targets the right to fight the subpoenas: “Courts long ago established a process for Americans to seek judicial review before Congress obtains and then publishes documents in response to a congressional subpoena.”

    As a lawyer and congressional lifer, Mr. Schiff knows this. It’s expected that Congress give notice of demands, as it did when it issued subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Mazars for Donald Trump’s financial records. That notice allowed the president to file suit to block those institutions from responding. The Supreme Court in December issued stays, halting Deutsche Bank and Mazars compliance while it considers Mr. Trump’s appeal. Oral arguments are scheduled for March 31. Congress isn’t entitled to everything.

    This history is what made Mr. Schiff’s subpoenas so devious and abusive. He issued them secretly. He didn’t notify his targets, and Republican committee members were barred from telling the public what they knew about the subpoenas.

    Worse, he deceived one of his targets. He sent a subpoena for call records to Mr. Giuliani on Sept. 30 and suggested Mr. Giuliani had two weeks to work with the committee, even as Mr. Schiff was already secretly demanding Giuliani call records from a phone carrier.

    House Democrats suggest this cloak-and-dagger was necessary for their investigation. Mr. Carr punctures that absurd claim. Yes, law enforcement sometimes needs secrecy in surveillance warrants, so as to freely monitor “real time” on continuing communications. But Mr. Schiff was seeking past call data. Telling Mr. Giuliani about the carrier subpoenas wouldn’t change the call-record history. The only reason to keep him in the dark was to strip him of the right to litigate.

    Mr. Carr details how many legal issues Mr. Schiff denied his targets the opportunity to test. He notes that the Supreme Court is considering the limits on congressional subpoena authority in Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Deutsche Bank, and that the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia last month dismissed a House lawsuit to compel testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn. Mr. Carr also points out the heightened First Amendment questions that accompanied Mr. Schiff’s acquisition and publication of records for an investigative journalist—one who was writing stories critical of Mr. Schiff.

    And he asks whether Mr. Schiff exceeded his authority by publishing call records that lack “any apparent nexus to the Committee’s legitimate work.” That includes a drive-by smear of Mr. Nunes. In Watkins v. U.S. (1957), the Supreme Court held that “there is no congressional power to expose for the sake of exposure,” especially when “the predominant result can only be the invasion of the private rights of individuals.”

    Meanwhile, Mr. Carr asks: Is Mr. Schiff continuing to issue secret subpoenas? And what else is he sitting on? The impeachment report indicates the committee obtained “nearly 4,000 pages of confidential call records,” nowhere near what Mr. Schiff published. Who else’s life is getting ransacked at this moment?

    “The Committee created out of whole cloth a secret and effectively unreviewable and unchecked mechanism for obtaining call records on any and all Americans,” Mr. Carr writes. He holds out the possibility the FCC will modify its rules to check such abuse.

    But he also suggests Congress take the question up as part of its surveillance debate. That’s the better forum, and it ought to be as big a priority for Republicans as reform of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The House has little credibility to lecture the FBI on surveillance abuse if it won’t rein in its own snoopers.

    Write to [email protected].

  16. OldOzzie

    Mitch M.
    #3355349, posted on March 13, 2020 at 9:08 pm
    Best wishes Ozzie. In case you forgot I posted this months ago and it directly relates to immunotherapy.

    Creatine powers fight against cancer, improves efficacy of immunotherapies

    Thanks Mitch M – I will make suer I get some.

  17. Leigh Lowe

    If Pell is acquitted and the ABC insists on continuing to describe him as a “former peter-file” or somesuch, I hope Sky et al refer to Milligan as “disgraced”, “discredited” or “embarassed by the High Court”.

  18. Knuckle Dragger

    Gawd. Big week in (crowd-free) football.

    Liability Bob:

    ‘Dutton should be quarantined on Christmas Island.
    Least we can do……’

    No need. He’s Australian.

    For Chrissakes mh don’t encourage the elderly child.

  19. notafan

    After all when questioned about Archbishop Little the complainant said all priests in vestments look like same.

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    Breaking:

    Chuck Norris has been exposed to the coronavirus.

    The virus released a statement saying it will now self-isolate for 600 years.

  21. Mark A

    miltonf
    #3355341, posted on March 13, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    Didn’t Hawke and Fraser actually cut PAYG tax for the ’77 and ’84 elections? Like they actually put money in people’s pockets?

    The only true relief and help to the economy of a nation is tax relief.
    Practiced all over eastern Europe.
    No hand outs over the minimum already given to the unproductive.

    Family benefits, housing benefits all given by tax deductions or in some cases permanent tax exemption.
    God and dare I say good government helps those who help themselves.

  22. dover_beach

    Good points, nota.

  23. OldOzzie

    America’s Self-Shutdown

    The public has made ‘social distancing’ de facto national policy.

    By The WSJ Editorial Board

    For all the foreboding about the novel coronavirus—foreboding that is justified—it is heartening to see the American people responding in ways reminiscent of the frontier spirit. Most people are doing what they have to do to survive a clear and immediate threat to their lives and communities.

    The new watchword is “social distancing.” That means minimizing the transmission of an infectious virus for which no personal immunity exists by minimizing the chance that any one carrier will pass the virus to others. The speed with which the American people and their institutions are executing that sound strategy is breathtaking.

    Private companies, where possible, are advising their employees to work from home. To minimize large crowds, professional sports leagues are suspending seasons. St. Patrick’s Day parades, held back to the 19th century, have been canceled. Broadway’s theaters are closed. Universities are voluntarily replacing in-person classes with online instruction. The list lengthens by the hour.

    Health emergencies in the U.S. mainly and appropriately remain the responsibility of state and local officials. Governors in states with the greatest outbreaks so far—Washington, California, New York and New Jersey—are closing schools and ordering limitations on the size of public gatherings. These closures will come at enormous cost to affected individuals and the broader economy. The possibility that the virus will tip the U.S. into a recession is real, though unlike 2008 the economy was healthy when the virus struck.

    Here at the Journal, we regard the stock market as a sensitive barometer of expectations. The historic decline of the market this week is posing an obvious question: Where is the nation headed with the coronavirus?

    Given the scale and costs of voluntary mitigation underway, the moment has arrived for the relevant authorities in Washington to inform the American people more precisely about the purpose and parameters of social distancing. President Trump’s 10-minute talk Wednesday evening wasn’t nearly enough, and his focus on travel bans from Europe is not adequate to explain the domestic disruption. The answers have to come from the presidential task force headed by Vice President Mike Pence.

    Useful primers are available online, such as a recent article in the Lancet—“How will country-based mitigation measures influence the course of the Covid-19 epidemic?” We recommend it. But Americans shouldn’t have to poke through medical journals or watch C-Span to see NIH’s Anthony Fauci testify before House committees.

    Mr. Trump should assemble his specialists prominently to describe the realities and goals of all these voluntary closures. They ought to explain the math behind minimizing person-to-person transmission of the virus—the so-called reproduction number. Or why it’s important to suppress infectious spread before the onset of detectable symptoms. They should explain how mitigation will “flatten the curve” of the virus’s course by spreading it over 12 to 18 months, rather than letting it spike destructively across the population in two months.

    We no longer live on the frontier. Science may not fully understand this virus yet, but it knows a lot about the reasons for dislocating a nation’s social and economic life. It’s time for leaders to explain this to a worried but resilient American public.

  24. Zatara

    COVID-19 may have been brought into China by US soldiers.

    US soldiers. In Wuhan. Where the largest known bio-warfare facility in China is located.

    Well at least the CIA got a pass this time.

  25. vlad

    In the Twitter sewer all the usual leftards leapt on the same joke about sending Mr Dutton to Christmas Island within an hour – all thinking themselves original wits, Mike Carlton, Vanessa Badham among them. Mumblety-peg is no exception. Just another hive-mind-er.

  26. dover_beach

    I don’t understand why the defence did not call r Egan as a witness.

    As Walker said in that exchange:

    NETTLE J: Well, it is your problem, is it not? You did not ask them to call him.

    MR WALKER: There is no duty or obligation of any kind for an accused to assist in the assembly of a case.

    NETTLE J: Nor do you suggest that it was productive of a miscarriage of justice that the Crown did not call him.

    MR WALKER: This goes only to unreasonable, your Honour. Your Honour is right.

    NETTLE J: Is it not entirely neutral, the fact that Egan was not called?

    MR WALKER: No, it is not entirely neutral because his presence being known one cannot illuminate the reasonable doubt that arises from not knowing what he would have to say about those matters.

    KIEFEL CJ: What inference do you draw?

    MR WALKER: We do not draw a factual inference at all, your Honour. There is simply a reasonable doubt left. Now, that is true whenever there is inadequate investigation. It is not a miscarriage case when the police have simply not looked for something. It may be a miscarriage case when the prosecution has it and does not use it – I accept that and this is not a miscarriage case. But where there has been inadequate investigation, a viable theory, inconsistent with guilt, simply not explored by the investigators, establishment of that absence of investigation goes to an unreasonable ground. That is the way we put it.

    BELL J: That generally requires that the hypothesis consistent with innocence is brought into play and is brought into play by the defence saying, “Father Egan might have accompanied the accused. Where’s Father Egan?” This just was not made an issue, was it?

    MR WALKER: No. Your Honour is quite wrong, in both respects.

    BELL J: It was an issue?

    MR WALKER: It was proved that Father Egan was there.

    BELL J: I understand that.

    MR WALKER: And it was argued that he was not the subject of any investigation. As you know, there was a cross‑examination of the informant for just that purpose – to establish that it would have been reasonable to make inquiries about and from such a man and they were not made. The informant was invited to explain why not and he had no explanation.

  27. Farmer Gez

    The jurors in the second Pell trial were last seen emptying supermarket shelves of toilet paper.

  28. Porter

    OldOzzie. You raised a fine son. Best wishes for your treatment- please stay in touch as much as you can.

  29. OldOzzie

    Coronavirus: Estate agents shun open-for-inspections in favour of private tours

    Private tours of homes instead of public open for inspections, bottles of hand sanitiser on entry, and warnings to vendors to lock away the toilet paper: welcome to buying real estate amid coronavirus.

    Amid the panic buying that has stripped supermarket shelves of toilet paper, he has encountered toilet paper thieves at open homes.

    “We always tell people, put your watches away, put your jewellery away [when your home is open for inspection],” he said.

    “We’re asking the people that are displaying their home to hide all their valuables, particularly their toilet paper.”

  30. OldOzzie

    Coronavirus: Estate agents shun open-for-inspections in favour of private tours

    Private tours of homes instead of public open for inspections, bottles of hand sanitiser on entry, and warnings to vendors to lock away the toilet paper: welcome to buying real estate amid coronavirus.

    Amid the panic buying that has stripped supermarket shelves of toilet paper, he has encountered toilet paper thieves at open homes.

    “We always tell people, put your watches away, put your j*wellery away [when your home is open for inspection],” he said.

    “We’re asking the people that are displaying their home to hide all their valuables, particularly their toilet paper.”

  31. Porter

    Correct Dover. Basically what Walker seems to be saying (I am no lawyer) is that the police’s failure to interview Egan who was with Pell – that fact having been established – raises reasonable doubt on the basis that no one knows what he would have said and so all evidence is likely not to have been presented.

  32. bespoke

    There is going to be an increase of mental health issues due to social distancing.

  33. Tel

    In the Twitter sewer all the usual leftards leapt on the same joke about sending Mr Dutton to Christmas Island within an hour – all thinking themselves original wits, Mike Carlton, Vanessa Badham among them. Mumblety-peg is no exception. Just another hive-mind-er.

    Dutton should do the symbolic gesture, go the Christmas Island, spend a couple of weeks with his feet up drinking rum, get over it and come back saying, “What’s the big deal you bunch of panty wetting numpties?”

    Admittedly, a regular Qld hospital bed is cheaper for Australia, but anyway, once you caught it you caught it, not a whole lot you can do from that point other than wait and hope.

  34. Leigh Lowe

    Farmer Gez

    #3355363, posted on March 13, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    The jurors in the second Pell trial were last seen emptying supermarket shelves of toilet paper.

    The name of the choir boy is under wraps.
    If a jury had found GP not guilty, do we really believe the jurors wouldn’t have been doxxed by “concerned journalists” by now?
    And every juror knew that.
    And similarly the judges knowing that the invitations to all the right cocktail parties would dry up should they presiside over an acquittal.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And similarly the judges knowing that the invitations to all the right cocktail parties would dry up should they presiside over an acquittal.

    Well said.

  36. Mark A

    Spellcheck malfunction.

    Hi, Max. This is Jim, next door. I’ve been riddled with guilt for a few months and have been trying to get up the courage to tell you face-to-face. When you’re not around, I’ve been sharing your wife, day and night, probably much more than you. I haven’t been getting it at home recently. I know that’s no excuse. The temptation was just too great. I can’t live with the guilt & hope you’ll accept my sincere apology and forgive me. Please suggest a fee for usage and I’ll pay you. Sincerely, Jim

    Max, feeling enraged and betrayed, grabbed his gun, went next door, and shot Jim dead. He returned home, shot his wife, poured himself a stiff drink, and sat down on the sofa. Max then looked at his phone and discovered a second text message from Jim.

    SECOND TEXT MESSAGE:
    Hi, Max. Jim here again. Sorry about the typo on my last text. I assume you figured it out and noticed that the darned Spell-Check had changed “wi-fi” to “wife.” Technology, huh? It’ll be the death of us all.

  37. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the complainant said all priests in vestments look like same.’

    Bastard racist.

    Wait.

  38. Cassie:

    Good comment WS…re. the “bioweapon”……would that be one of the reasons why it quickly hit the Iranian leadership? Because they were in Wuhan shopping?

    Cassie, certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. Mind you, considering the kissing of stones etc to prove you are devout is a bit damn stupid. But then how many Nobel prize winners have come from that culture?
    The other point was China pulling the swifty on Taiwan and loading up the evacuation plane with WZV carriers. Now that’s pretty blatant that you know it isn’t just a seasonal ‘flu.

    What’s the point of having a bloody great moat if you start up a ferry service?

  39. cohenite

    We’re giving the non-productive a $750 cash handout because they get the dole.

    Wasn’t the first chunk virus victim an Iranian refugee who was returning from visiting the country she was given refugee status from?

  40. Porter

    No point in having a gathering ban if schools, unis, public transport and airports are exempt.

  41. Porter

    The informant was invited to explain why not and he had no explanation.

    That’s the money quote. That’s the police not being able to explain their incompetence.

  42. Porter

    We’re giving the non-productive a $750 cash handout because they get the dole.

    No point giving $750 cash handout to aged pensioners either given they never leave the house.

  43. Overburdened

    May as well be a dick at the end of the thread.

    Just guessing it can’t go on too long.

    It would be good to post a pic of the greening that is going on in the nevernever.

    I feel fortunate to be seeing it.

  44. C.L.

    Not to mention the hint, unless I got that wrong, that the police should have investigated whether Father Egan might have been the actual alleged villain in the melodrama..

    That’s why I asked. He witnessed Pell’s movements throughout or he was the real shooter behind the Grassy Knoll.
    I couldn’t work out why the defence didn’t call him.

    He commented just after Porter made his comment. If he didn’t see it, that’s his problem. Ignore his ‘what did he say’ comments.

    Get fucked, Nick. Everyone here is free to respond or not respond to queries.

  45. Porter

    I posted the Egan exchange on the previous page, C.L. and the links to the two days transcripts are also in that thread (I posted day 1, P posted day 2 IIRC).

  46. Nick

    Get fucked, Nick. Everyone here is free to respond or not respond to queries.

    Go fuck yourself you arrogant turd. You commented directly after Porter made his post yet demand ‘what happened ?’

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Porter:

    ‘the police’s failure to interview Egan who was with Pell – that fact having been established – raises reasonable doubt’

    Kaboom. Yes. Yes, it does.

    And it was so freakin’ obvious he was at the very least a witness who could contribute something of value, so much so – and I can’t stress this enough – it simply could not have been an oversight.

    And, being a cynical suspicious dude with this sort of thing, sorta leads me down the path that MAYBE Egan WAS interviewed.

    And the evidence from Egan wasn’t all that favourable to this shambolic shitshow masquerading as an investigation, and so wasn’t included in the thrice-rejected brief of evidence.

    And IF this is the case, then THAT is unforgiveable. Because (according to Sipowicz and Alonso Harris):

    Every. Investigation. Must. MUST. Disclose. Exculpatory. As. Well. As. Incriminating. Evidence.

  48. Overburdened

    Back to not much from nothing for a few days.

    Luxury as far as water quality and pressure.

    Back home people think I live a hermetic existence because I need to drive if I want to buy tucker.

    Out here the few K’s I drive are a spit I in the ocean, or more likely a sand patch in the desert.

  49. vlad

    or he was the real shooter behind the Grassy Knoll.

    You’re assuming there that an actual incident occurred. We only have J (The Kid)’s word for that.

  50. Overburdened

    It’s comforting to know that regardless of how far away from most anything you are, fuckwits abound.

    As an example, I am here.

  51. Porter

    Go fuck yourself you arrogant turd. You commented directly after Porter made his post yet demand ‘what happened ?’

    To be fair to Nick, C.L. did post three or four comments after I posted the long extract with the Egan exchange.
    It’s a simple control+F to do a find on a page. If you can’t do that or scroll through a thread, then don’t accuse others or expect others to do it for you, C.L.

  52. Nick

    KD, that’s a big risk though, as the transcript states:

    NETTLE J: Well, it is your problem, is it not? You did not ask them to call him.

    MR WALKER: There is no duty or obligation of any kind for an accused to assist in the assembly of a case.

    Perhaps the defence would have been better off calling Egan as a witness if they could have ?

  53. Tel

    Every. Investigation. Must. MUST. Disclose. Exculpatory. As. Well. As. Incriminating. Evidence.

    And how often does that really happen?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22failed+to+disclose+exculpatory+evidence%22

    Gets a lot of hits … most of them USA but how different is Australia?

  54. vlad

    The form of the question from Nettle J seems to imply the defence couldn’t call Fr Egan themselves.

  55. Porter

    And, being a cynical suspicious dude with this sort of thing, sorta leads me down the path that MAYBE Egan WAS interviewed.

    I think Richter examined that directly, KD. It was proven that Egan was with him, and when “the informant” (police?) was questioned, the answer was no, they didn’t interview him and they could not give a reason why they didn’t.

  56. Overburdened

    …….along with some that make my fuckwittery seem amateurish in comparison.

    My measured conclusion based on this data is that the show is totally rooted in spite of all best endeavours.

  57. C.L.

    Go fuck yourself you arrogant turd. You commented directly after Porter made his post yet demand ‘what happened ?’

    LOL. No, dickhead. I didn’t comment on Porter’s post but posted something else I saw on Twitter.
    I took note of Porter’s comment but didn’t get into the Egan thing at the time.
    It was raised again tonight and I thought I’d clarify what the import of it was: Egan as witness or Egan as potential abuser. There is nothing “arrogant” about asking other people their opinions.

    Just stay out of other people’s conversations. Nobody asked for your input.

  58. 132andBush

    Some (including the biggest) caravan dealers rely on the caravan show for up to 50% of their annual volume. We’ve done some numbers and the shows for us are only 25%. Hopefully we are best placed in those circumstances.

    My contract harvesting income came in at 20% of average this season.
    That’s down from about 60% the year before.

  59. Porter

    Flashback to the appeal (https://7news.com.au/news/george-pell/george-pell-arrives-at-court-to-start-appeal-process-c-149769):

    Walker was also scathing about the conduct of the lead investigator in the case, Detective Sergeant Chris Reed.

    Melbourne priest Father Brendan Egan had conducted mass in the cathedral on February 23, 1997, with his archbishop watching on, and as tradition dictates, the pair would have left the nave together.

    Fr Egan would have been next to, or very close by to Pell when the assault in the corridor took place, Walker said, yet Reed never interviewed him.

    When asked why during the trial, Walker said the detective gave a “disturbingly non-responsive – bordering on impertinent – answer: ‘Because I didn’t’.”

  60. Confused Old Misfit

    No point giving $750 cash handout to aged pensioners either given they never leave the house.

    We bloody well do too you ignornt twit!

  61. Nick

    I took note of Porter’s comment but didn’t get into the Egan thing at the time.

    Lol

  62. Leigh Lowe

    Perhaps the defence would have been better off calling Egan as a witness if they could have ?

    Setting aside any prosecution shenanigans, I am wondering why the defence didn’t call Egan.
    Is he a loose cannon?

  63. Overburdened

    Remarkably, the land draws you in and as much as I squawk it is a privilege to try to do something meaningful in places most people never go.

    I think I need a drink.

  64. vlad

    Look at the form of Nettle Js question: why didn’t you ask them to call him.

    There’s some procedural issue there?

  65. C.L.

    If you can’t do that or scroll through a thread, then don’t accuse others or expect others to do it for you, C.L.

    What have I ‘accused’ anybody of, Porter?
    What are you talking about?

    I read your lengthy transcript but wondered about the import of the Egan thing – witness or possible perpetrator? – in the opinion of commenters when he was raised again tonight.

  66. Nick

    Setting aside any prosecution shenanigans, I am wondering why the defence didn’t call Egan.
    Is he a loose cannon?

    Or there was reason to not want heard what he may say…

  67. Overburdened

    ……and when I get home, ponder whether to stay retired or get back in the ring one more time.

    Still got another month before I’m out and feeling the pinch a bit, being an old bloke and all.

    Time for a nana nap

  68. vlad

    Going to bed now. Play nice.

  69. Old Ozzie:
    That doesn’t sound real good, mate.
    I hope it all goes well for you, but.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘MR WALKER: There is no duty or obligation of any kind for an accused to assist in the assembly of a case.’

    ‘Perhaps the defence would have been better off calling Egan as a witness if they could have ?’

    Nnnnnnneahh. Dunno. If they did that it would have strayed from the strategy Walker SC alludes to.

    Also, calling defence witnesses in these circumstances, where they’ve been known to be around the accused immediately before or after the offence – IF Egan made a non-smoking gun statement, which should have been part of the brief in any event (because otherwise the investigation’s no longer impartial) – then applications for declarations of hostile witnesses would have happened and taken days in closed court before Egan even hit the box.

    I really think Richter thought he had it won. And he was entitled to think so.

    If someone were to conduct a re-examination of the ‘detectives” diaries and investigation plans looking for this sort of thing, I’ve got no doubt an Egan statement would be either found or mentioned.

    That is, if it wasn’t hidden in a Laverton self-storage unit like you-know-who’s non-existent journals.

  71. Porter

    Setting aside any prosecution shenanigans, I am wondering why the defence didn’t call Egan.
    Is he a loose cannon?

    At the Court of Appeal hearing, Walker said it was a crown responsibility. The police not interviewing him and the prosecution not calling him does raise reasonable doubt (certainly on the second incident).

  72. C.L.

    Lol

    Have you been drinking or something, Nick?
    You’re having a tantrum because I asked people the import of the “Egan thing”?
    This is causing you mental anguish, is that right?

  73. Nick

    Then:

    C.L.
    #3355321, posted on March 13, 2020 at 8:49 pm
    I missed the Fr Egan thing.
    What was that all about?

    Now:

    C.L.
    #3355402, posted on March 13, 2020 at 9:55 pm
    I read your lengthy transcript but wondered about the import of the Egan thing witness or possible perpetrator? – in the opinion of commenters when he was raised again tonight.

    Liar.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘‘Because I didn’t’.’

    Reed was and is an incompetent plodder at best, and spent years hiding in places like the Fraud Squad before Tethering was thought of. He was released to Tethering because his bosses did what they all do – when they’re told to give up numbers to boutique taskforces, they send who they can spare.

    He is said to be retired now, but was for some unknown reason a protected species. You don’t hand out international travel to just anyone, let alone to the Vatican.

    Of course, I have determined this from a careful examination of the yapping ratdog from two doors down’s entrails.

  75. bespoke

    Is this helping justice?

  76. Leigh Lowe

    At the Court of Appeal hearing, Walker said it was a crown responsibility. The police not interviewing him and the prosecution not calling him does raise reasonable doubt (certainly on the second incident).

    I follow that argument as a prosecution “thumb on the scales”.
    But, it Egan was a supportive witness for Pell, why wouldn’t the defence call him?
    Fuck, it would totally blow VikPol up if he got in the box and said he had been interviewed by them, but his interview wasn’t part of discovery.

  77. Mother Lode

    The clumsy blundering mis-targeting moderation regime strikes again.

    I swear if you aren’t post videos of cats, or ‘Planes, Trains and Piano-Forte-mobiles’ then you are running the risk of falling afoul of immoderate moderation.

  78. Nick

    The police not interviewing him and the prosecution not calling him does raise reasonable doubt

    This is surely risky. Wait for him not to be called and then say ipso facto that that reasonable doubt exists ? Walker can’t have it both ways.

  79. Porter

    The defence called a number of people who attended Pell while he was robed:

    Portelli – Cardinal Pell’s Master of Ceremonies
    Porter – St Patrick’s Cathedral sacristan
    McGlone – altar server
    Connor – altar server

    They could have called Fr Brendan Egan who said the second Mass (27 February 1997) at which Cardinal Pell presided in choir dress but given how they tried to bamboozle an elderly witness for the defense, and tried the same tactic on Portelli, they may have opted not to with Egan. In any case it really was the police’s duty to interview him (regardless of whether he featured in the actual court case) and that says a lot about the quality, or lack thereof, of the police investigation.

    It doesn’t matter if you are a Catholic or not or whether you believe Pell or not, this case should seriously disturb every Victorian, and in fact every Australian. It shows a corrupt, malicious police force and an incompetent judiciary at best (if not corrupt as well). The Court of Appeals can never live down their judgment on this given Weinberg’s extraordinary dissent. Extraordinary.

  80. Farmer Gez

    I asked a question about J’s right to continued anonymity if Pell is freed a while back.
    Anybody know?

  81. Nick

    But, it Egan was a supportive witness for Pell, why wouldn’t the defence call him?
    Fuck, it would totally blow VikPol up if he got in the box and said he had been interviewed by them, but his interview wasn’t part of discovery.

    Exactly.

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    I keep saying it.

    D-Town Tinder is a desolate wasteland populated solely by entitled wildebeest.

  83. Zatara

    But, it Egan was a supportive witness for Pell, why wouldn’t the defence call him?

    Because him not being investigated makes grounds for appeal.

    When you know the deck is stacked against you hold that ace.

  84. Knuckle Dragger

    IT, 5.50 p.m.;

    ‘There’s nothing more romantic than being buried at sea together.’

    This fake overseas travel is getting a bit old. LL picked it with DBG.

    Right this minute, Lizzie and Hairy are watching Mad Men in one of those underground Coober Pedy motel rooms.

  85. Nick

    When you know the deck is stacked against you hold that ace.

    That’s the impression it gives.

  86. Porter

    When you know the deck is stacked against you hold that ace.

    Zing.

    As it is, the defense had four witnesses as alibis to cover both incidents (Portelli , Porter, McGlone, Connor), about 20 exculpatory witnesses overall. But fat lot of good that did him. I doubt that Egan would have made any difference. The difference he makes is in the fact he wasn’t interviewed. He’s an insurance policy for the defence.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    I really think Richter thought he had it won. And he was entitled to think so.

    I think that explains it.
    Richter seems to prefer a minimalist approach, framed around the quaint old concept of the presumption of innocence.
    His view is that the prosecution have to make the running and the defence limits it’s potential for exposing mistakes and inconsistencies by calling as few witnesses as possible and never letting the accused take the stand.
    Of course, this is a flawed strategy where a judge leaves it open to the jury to find that aliens froze the congregation in suspended animation for ten minutes whilst GP rogered the choir boy before returning to his post.

  88. C.L.

    Liar

    You sound disturbed, Nick.
    I meant that I missed the overall importance of the “Egan thing.”
    Porter is a commenter I sidebar click to read. You’re not, needless to say.

    Egan was raised again tonight and – free now to ‘talk’ to him and other commenters (as I wasn’t during the day) – I was interested in what people thought the import of Egan was.

    From the responses so far, the answer still isn’t clear.

  89. Porter

    I asked a question about J’s right to continued anonymity if Pell is freed a while back.
    Anybody know?

    Interesting question. Given it is Victoria, he will probably be deified.
    I am surprised his name, background hasn’t been leaked on the dark web. Give it time.

  90. Nick

    The difference he makes is in the fact he wasn’t interviewed. He’s an insurance policy for the defence.

    Surely the 7 judges are wise to that ? Unless of course, it works.

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It doesn’t matter if you are a Catholic or not or whether you believe Pell or not, this case should seriously disturb every Victorian, and in fact every Australian. It shows a corrupt, malicious police force and an incompetent judiciary at best (if not corrupt as well). The Court of Appeals can never live down their judgment on this given Weinberg’s extraordinary dissent. Extraordinary.

    For my money, that’s the guts of the matter. This case, and the Lawyer X matter, show Vic Pol as being just as incompetent and almost actually corrupt as the New South Wales cops and the Queensland cops were, before they had the big finger pointed at them in the 1980’s and 90’s.

  92. bespoke

    Something for Mother Lode.

  93. C.L.

    On VicPol tactically eschewing witnesses in a highly suspicious way, this was pursued by Richter QC at the committal:

    Detectives criticised for not taking statements favourable to Pell.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    Right this minute, Lizzie and Hairy are watching Mad Men in one of those underground Coober Pedy motel rooms.

    Look, I can’t say too much, but Typhoid Lizzie did let slip that the master of the vessel was Captain Stubing.

  95. Porter

    Richter seems to prefer a minimalist approach, framed around the quaint old concept of the presumption of innocence.

    I heard he was pretty forensic during the trial.

    I really do think that Egan will have probably faltered under the prosecution’s cross examination had the defense called him (getting confused etc which is how the prosecution tried to bamboozle an elderly witness – the 85 year old sacristan Porter, and then Portelli). Remember the pressure they were under, especially Portelli https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6027052001001

    Given he was so key, it actually serves the defense better not to call him. He was their insurance policy.

  96. Nick

    Porter is a commenter I sidebar click to read. You’re not, needless to say.

    Oh. One is so crestfallen.

  97. Zatara

    Surely the 7 judges are wise to that ? Unless of course, it works.

    Nothing to be wise to. It’s a completely legitimate tactic and the prosecution left it wide open for them.

    Had the prosecution owned up to it at trial and taken their lumps it could have been hidden in the rest of their smoke-screen.

  98. Porter

    Nick, C.L., it is not worth a spat. As you were, fellas.

  99. Porter

    So does any one know if the accuser’s anonymity goes out the window if Pell is acquitted? (Me thinks the bastard is itching to come out anyway).

  100. Steve trickler

    On the piss with some lovely Babushkas. 🤣 2019.



  101. vlad

    So does any one know if the accuser’s anonymity goes out the window if Pell is acquitted?

    Yes, I do.

    It doesn’t.

  102. Porter

    From C.L.’s link (my emphasis):

    But Sergeant Christopher Reed, who is the police informant in the case, said detectives had already obtained statements from other choir members who said they had never seen Cardinal Pell, who was an archbishop at the time, alone.

    He said additional statements along the same lines would not have taken matters any further for police.

    Mr Richter also asked why police had failed to reinterview witnesses who had supplied statements in a dossier of material supplied to police by the defence.

    Sergeant Reed said he did not feel it was necessary for them to also make police statements.

  103. pete m

    Defence called no witnesses so got to present last to jury.

    There was agreement dpp could xxn some witnesses assumed hostile to crown on limited points.

  104. C.L.

    Given he was so key, it actually serves the defense better not to call him. He was their insurance policy.

    Yes, it may have been tactically very clever (or just lucky) not to pursue Egan for that reason:

    BELL J: There was evidence that he was there. The matter I was taking up with you, Mr Walker, was in circumstances in which the defence did not ask for Father Egan but did indicate the witnesses that it thought in fairness the prosecution should call it might be that the circumstance is neutral, that he was not. But your point is the informant was cross‑examined in a way to make an issue of the failure to call him.

    MR WALKER: Yes.

  105. Anthony

    The Chinese media are hinting that they will withhold drugs from the US during this virus period.
    Interesting, I grew up under the illusion that there were no drugs needed to treat a virus. What drugs will the Chinese withhold?

  106. mh

    China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

    …In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that’s largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into “the mighty sea of coronavirus.”…

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So does any one know if the accuser’s anonymity goes out the window if Pell is acquitted? (Me thinks the bastard is itching to come out anyway).

    Guest on Q and A, surely?

  108. Porter

    It doesn’t.

    So given the changes in Victoria’s laws which allowed for people to be convicted on the basis of one’s say so (this changed in the same month that the accuser lodged his complaint, I believe), and given it costs you nothing to make such a complaint and given your anonymity is guaranteed, and given no one ever gets prosecuted for perjury, ever, there is absolutely no disincentive for malicious complaints. Zero. In fact, it’s open slather especially when you have operation tethering and heifers like Milligan and Morris-Marr willing to engage in slur and innuendo.

  109. notafan

    I think Walker is reminding the HC that the prosecution played games as did the ‘informant’ who wanted to place Cardinal Pell and ‘the kid’ in the hallway? with no inconvenient other that may have given evidence that would lead to reasonable doubt.

    It stinks of manipulation for a result rather than letting the evidence speak.

    Seems to be how the OPP and vicpol rolls.

    And of course we mustn’t forget the good burghers of the Torquay Golf Club.

    They know everything.

  110. EvilElvis

    No point giving $750 cash handout to aged pensioners either given they never leave the house.

    We bloody well do too you ignornt twit!

    Not only are these misfits old, but they’re also confused! 😂

  111. vlad

    From the Judicial Proceedings Reports Act 1958 (Vic), section 4:

    (1A) A person who publishes or causes to be published any matter that contains any particulars likely to lead to the identification of a person against whom a sexual offence, or an offence where the conduct constituting it consists wholly or partly of taking part, or attempting to take part, in an act of sexual penetration as defined in section 35 of the Crimes Act 1958 , [1] is alleged to have been committed is guilty of an offence, whether or not a proceeding in respect of the alleged offence is pending in a court.

    Arguably Milligan herself breached this with regard to “The Choirboy”. She had “The Kid’s” permission, which provided her with a defence re him; but the Choirboy was dead, so unable to consent. And she provides lots of particulars about them both.

  112. BorisG

    It’s a major reason why we are the side of the realists

    This after telling us the coronavirus crisis is manufactured by the Chinese to counter-attack Trump.
    LOL.

    The Chinese authorities are no angles but you appear to give them almost supernatural powers. They must be incredibly smart to create such a conspiracy. And btw Chinese are not scared by Trumps. Trumps come and go…

    And by the way if the western civilisation is in decline, it is for its own internal reasons, and its own enemies within. The Left, the Greens, the PC brigade etc. External threats are significant but can be repulsed but fighting enemies within is much harder.

  113. Archivist

    Porter is a commenter I sidebar click to read. You’re not, needless to say.

    Burn!
    I’m going to pay more attention to Porter.

  114. Zatara

    The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls…

    I hope they do actually. Make the point clear that it’s time to wean the world off of depending on them.

  115. Archivist

    And by the way if the western civilisation is in decline, it is for its own internal reasons, and its own enemies within.

    …but which are funded, more than you might think, by external adversaries… such as China.

  116. C.L.

    …In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that’s largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into “the mighty sea of coronavirus.”…

    Two words: Douglas MacArthur.

  117. Porter

    I’m going to pay more attention to Porter.

    Huh? Oh. Er. Thanks for the love, peoples, you will now give me stage fright.

  118. EvilElvis

    Right this minute, Lizzie and Hairy are watching Mad Men in one of those underground Coober Pedy motel rooms.

    Where it’s a constant 22.7C and no one can hear you scream…

  119. bespoke

    man many sock’s to choose from.

  120. notafan

    I really hope that the American pharmaceutical industry is working overtime to replace what was previously imported from China.

    They can’t all be evil minded opiod pushers like Purdue Pharma.

  121. notafan

    Vlad

    Milligan even published a photo of ‘the kid’ in choir uniform with a blurred face.
    My guess would have been thirteen year old Italian from somewhere like Brunswick.

  122. BorisG

    if you think that is conspiracy theory , then Boris you are on the wrong blog.

    Well, Struth, it may be news to you, but on the top of the page it says: Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog.

    It was like that in distant past, but unfortunately lately it has been infested with conspiraservatives like you. Maybe YOU are on the wrong blog.

  123. egg_

    many sock’s to choose from.

    Any comment has a 10% chance of being a reply to one of Septimus’ menagerie.

  124. C.L.

    Love the Poles:

    Church in [email protected]
    In connection with the recommendations of the Chief Sanitary Inspector that there should be no large gatherings of people, I ask to increase – as far as possible – the number of Sunday Masses in churches – wrote Archbishop Stanislaw Gadecki.https://bit.ly/2Q14LKo

    Fr Z explains: “Get it? More Masses, smaller crowds at each Mass. People aren’t packed in. They can spread out over the church.”

    Clever archbishop.

  125. BorisG

    Cardinal Francis Xavier Nguyễn Văn Thuận, who was imprisoned by Communist authorities in Vietnam for 13 years, nine of them in solitary confinement.

    Yeh, Fisk say we need to decouple from China and go to Vietnam and Taiwan. But Vietnam is a bad as China and Taiwan’s cost of labour is similar to Australian.

  126. BorisG

    General Siamand Mashhadani, one of the #Iranian Revolutionary Guards Top Commander , was killed by the #American airstrike in #Iraq.
    Woohoo! Still taking care of business!
    Boris G to tell us why this is wrong very soon.

    I am fine with this. Good news.

  127. mh

    In case no one has posted this

    Israel Folau and wife Maria Folau expecting first baby

  128. vlad

    Milligan even published a photo of ‘the kid’ in choir uniform with a blurred face.

    Wow!

    She still has a defence because he (presumably) consented.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    Porter

    #3355462, posted on March 13, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    Siena in lockdown, People singing. https://twitter.com/davidallegranti/status/1238232097636200448Love the Italians.

    It is the “Song of the Verbena”, which is the unofficial anthem of Siena.
    They sing it constantly during the two Palio horse race seasons (July and August).

  130. egg_

    Maybe YOU are on the wrong blog.

    Is this Comedy Hour?

    Drops the indefinite article, just like Victor.

  131. Porter

    Israel Folau and wife Maria Folau expecting first baby

    I figured that’s why Maria ended her career. She was going to go baby making. Good on them. I wish them every happiness. Folau has had an interesting journey from Mormonism to whatever weird form of heretical Pentecostalism he practices now. Fatherhood will be good for Izzy; it will challenge him further. Soon he may even become a mainstream orthodox Christian.

  132. Porter

    Canto della Verbena. Sweet.

    Australians on the other hand, are showing the world we are a bunch of ferals. #theresiagod is trending on twitter thanks to people happy about Dutton’s diagnosis.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Two words: Douglas MacArthur.

    The Douglas MacArthur who didn’t believe that the Japanese could successfully invade the Philippine islands, because the seaborne invasion of Gallipoli had failed?

  134. mh

    A wonderful gift from God for Izzy and Maria.

  135. mh

    Marco [email protected]
    ·
    Mar 11
    At yesterday’s lunch I asked @POTUS to support our efforts to invest in diversifying our supply chain, especially in pharmaceuticals & medical equipment.

    He agreed & his team led by by Peter Navarro are also working on an EO to help address this.

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1237697698792452100?s=20

  136. Porter

    Apparently people sing different verses of the Siena song. But a rarely heard first verse goes:

    E mentre Siena dorme, tutto tace e la luna illumina la Torre

    Senti nel buio, sola nella pace, sommessa Fonte Gaia

    Che canta una canzon, d’amore e di passion…

    My super bad translation:

    And while Siena sleeps, everything is silent and the moon lights up the tower

    See in the dark, alone in peace, the humble Fonte Gaia

    Singing a song, of love and passion …

  137. P

    A wonderful gift from God for Izzy and Maria.

    Thanks mh. Finally after all tonight I feel good and am smiling about something.

    Wonderful news indeed.

  138. Porter

    Milligan even published a photo of ‘the kid’ in choir uniform with a blurred face.

    She did indeed: https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/10862504-4×3-xlarge.jpg?v=5

  139. cohenite

    This after telling us the coronavirus crisis is manufactured by the Chinese to counter-attack Trump.

    It was and it was.

    Fuck off boris you creep.

  140. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Economic Armageddonini, here we come!

    We lova the Bata Peoples existing ina the specialini Kung Flu Tradinga Zona! You watcha the silly westerni imbeciles clubbing eacha othera with the ungreenfilthed Koalini!

  141. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Westernini, FFS

  142. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    This heavily censored message brought to you by the JB of the Shanghai!

  143. Porter

    COURT He once plied his trade in front of thousands of adoring fans. But Aukuso Junior Paulo’s life took a dark turn when he arrived at Centennial Park with a pistol and $650k cash to complete a massive drug deal. He now faces a life sentence behind bars.

    Another stellar NRL player. But you know, Izzy.

  144. Tel

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/12/federally-funded-studies-show-coronavirus-survives-hours-airborne/

    We found that viable virus could be detected in aerosols up to 3 hours post aerosolization, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel. HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 exhibited similar half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours.

    Nearly every public toilet or office toilet I have ever been to has fixtures in stainless steel: door handles, tap handles, push panels on doors, and handrails. You do the math … 2-3 days, how many people go past in 3 days?

    Those people on the boat had about as much chance to dodge this bullet as there is toilet paper in my local supermarket.

  145. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘A wonderful gift from God for Izzy and Maria.’

    Are you getting all this, Castle? Is this sinking in yet?

  146. Porter

    ‘Panic buying has reached the US, and it’s not pretty’

    RENDEZVIEW: America’s mishandling of COVID-19 runs many layers deep, and this form-loving, regulation-obsessed, litigation-averse country is in no way ready for what’s coming, writes US correspondent Sarah Blake.

    If only that had Australia’s nanny state sensibility, she muses. WTF?

  147. mh

    Catalans Dragons not playing this weekend.

    Their fixture against Leeds Rhinos has been postponed after a Leeds player tested positive for COVID-19

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    Final scenes of the Hateful Eight.

    Daisy Domergue slowly choking on the noose, a cuff on one wrist chained to Kurt Russell’s severed arm.

    Due with his head blown off in the basement. Madsen and Roth bleeding and bled out on the floor. Mexican dude. No head.

    Sam Jackson and Walton Goggins, both covered in each other’s claret reading a fake letter from Abe Lincoln.

    Well and woodshed full of corpses.

    About as close to a whodunit as Tarantino gets.

    Now onto Training Day with Denzel.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    Apparently people sing different verses of the Siena song. But a rarely heard first verse goes:

    Yes.
    There are, I think, 17 or 18 contrada (districts) in town and they all have variations on the lyrics.
    But the melody, she no change.

  150. Leigh Lowe

    Are you getting all this, Castle? Is this sinking in yet?

    Hey!
    Has she got those TV networks eating out of her fat hand yet?

  151. Porter

    I thinka the kid in the Pell trial is also italiano, Leigh. Known in the Carlton area. I coulda be wrong.

  152. mh

    Funny shit

    The Mayor of Florence is facing fresh criticism after he encouraged Italians to “Hug a Chinese” as a stand against racism before Italy was later forced to quarantine its entire country because of the coronavirus.

    https://www.infowars.com/mayor-of-florence-encouraged-italians-to-hug-a-chinese-before-coronavirus-pandemic-hit/

  153. egg_

    This heavily censored message brought to you by the JB of the Shanghai!

    See the glorious bats in our belfrys.

  154. Porter

    Why hasn’t Castle been fired yet? Seriously, why?
    Also I am very happy to see Qantas tank. Very happy.

  155. Porter

    As I said mh, and covid aside, why not encourage Chinese to hug non-Chinese to prove they’re not racist?

  156. Leigh Lowe

    I thinka the kid in the Pell trial is also italiano, Leigh. Known in the Carlton area. I coulda be wrong

    We-a needa to be-a careful here.

  157. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘In sentencing, Mr Borchers said the boy had refused to obey his mother and grandmother or go to school and as a result was “totally uneducated”.

    “You cannot read or write and your chances of getting a job are negligible,” he said.

    “I am not sure whether you have been encouraged by your family not to value school but you have reached a point in your life at the age of 16 that you are unemployable and that your prospects in the future are only receipt of some form of government benefit.”’

    Sentencing remarks in the NT Youth Justice Court. Prolific burglar and lifetime violent criminal at 15 years of age. Guess the rest.

    Completely unsurprising.

  158. mh

    Czech mate

    The Czech government said Friday it would ban all foreign travellers from entering and all Czechs from leaving the country as of March 16 in a bid to stem the coronavirus spread.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Yikes!!!
    Three of the top five positive movers on the NYSE pre-market are cruise lines.
    Carnival Cruises up yuuugely.
    JC … call your own hotline, NOW!

  160. struth

    This after telling us the coronavirus crisis is manufactured by the Chinese to counter-attack Trump.LOL.

    Whether it was whether it wasn’t I never claimed that anywhere.
    You’re a lying moron Boris.
    I said it’s a possibility.
    Big difference.
    It’s good to know I own your leftism.
    You are shitty about your stupidity being pointed out to you.
    It’s for your own good.
    No need to thank me.
    Just take the fact that logic has fucked your left wing arse and ignore it and continue.
    Like numbers and fat boy.
    I expect no integrity or brains from you.
    However virtue signaling porter I do expect more from.

  161. China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

    It is a measure of how far America has fallen that Fox News is whining about this like little betas instead of laughing it off and having faith in Yankee science and ingenuity to develop their own vaccine.

  162. struth

    The vaccine should be the great white light of the west turning the sands of China to glass.

  163. Zatara

    Pre-market Dow is stuck at 5.30% limit up. Opening in 15 minutes and seems like it’s going to rocket up.

    Going to be another interesting day at the market.

  164. struth

    Pussyhats were fine for you monty?
    A sign of national maturity?

  165. struth

    No apology for your stinking simplistic virtue signaling Porter?

  166. Fisky

    Yeh, Fisk say we need to decouple from China and go to Vietnam and Taiwan. But Vietnam is a bad as China and Taiwan’s cost of labour is similar to Australian.

    But VN’s human rights record is nowhere near as bad as the PRC’s (I know far more about this than you do so don’t even bother) and furthermore VN poses no strategic threat to AUS, the US or any 5Eyes member at all. So the only reason to equate them is because you want to keep supply chains in the PRC. Which is a totally indefensible position.

  167. Fisky

    If you want a concrete example of the difference between the two countries – every major foreign social media platform is banned in the PRC but available in VN.

  168. Porter

    No apology for your stinking simplistic virtue signaling Porter?

    Huh?

  169. struth

    Yeah right.
    Scroll back.

  170. Porter

    New York panics https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8106551/Mayor-Bill-Blasio-declares-state-emergency-New-York-City.html
    UK stays home: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108299/Millions-workers-stay-home-amid-coronavirus-crisis.html

    While I think the New York panic was real after Blasio declared a state of emergency, the rest needs a pinch of salt. It is the Daily Mail which tends to be a panic merchant.

    The Brazil president has corona, he was shaking hands with Trump just a few days ago. Hmm Ivanka Trump was with Dutto. The Trumps are infesting the world!

  171. Infidel Tiger

    Senior J Carlos Stefano de Pinar del Rio Cuba II
    ·
    Mar 8
    Replying to
    @onlyyoontv
    The facts speak for themselves. Every country can trace Patient Zero back to China

    Always remember. Those Chicom xunts must die

  172. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #3355518, posted on March 14, 2020 at 12:04 am

    Yikes!!!
    Three of the top five positive movers on the NYSE pre-market are cruise lines.
    Carnival Cruises up yuuugely.
    JC … call your own hotline, NOW!

    I’ve been asleep, I’m fucking egghausted.

    Did you see what the germanics did. Führerlin Merkel has promised to lend any amount of money to German business and we’ve seen the the spread between the short to the long end of the yield curve twist massively positive there.

    Germany says it’ll spend billions to cushion the economy and will put no limit on its credit program to help companies. The market response is notable, with the fastest steepening of the German 2-10-year yield curve since 2008.

    The Americans will be up to something this weekend too.

    Look, we’re not out of the woods until the fat lady sings, which means the Fed has to bite the bullet and do shit like massively QE.

    The tell, in terms of the market reversing course, in my mind is the Aussie dollar. Until that reverses course we’re still up shit creek as it’s a great marker for global liquidity and risk appetite. The Aussie is still sitting at 62.80 like a fat chick at a dance sitting there alone.

  173. Knuckle Dragger:

    I keep saying it.
    D-Town Tinder is a desolate wasteland populated solely by entitled wildebeest.

    Why do you keep saying it?
    Is it not obvious?

  174. 1735099

    Staggering ignorance of genetics on show.

    And of just about everything else.
    Quite a few who post here are certifiable, but in Cohenite’s case it’s completely beyond doubt.
    Or is it “sectioned”?

  175. rickw

    It is a measure of how far America has fallen that Fox News is whining about this like little betas instead of laughing it off and having faith in Yankee science and ingenuity to develop their own vaccine.

    Always has a boner when the CCP bastards look like they’re having a win. You’re such a POS. You do realise that the CCP would consider an overweight ranga a genetic abomination, they’d cull you ASAP, they wouldn’t even risk harvesting your organs.

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