Tuesday Forum: March 17, 2020

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  1. MatrixTransform

    Sheer nastiness towards women is a form of trolling

    womynsys are so hopeless that comments derogatory of womynysys just make it worse

    think it through woman

    …I’ll wait

  2. Snoopy

    Vewy, vewy quiet. I wonder what everyone’s doing?

  3. Armadillo

    Red China people willingly accept a reduction in their living standards to help the party elite?

    China desperately needs a calming influence from within at the moment. There are plenty of choices available to them. Let’s hope they are students of history, and that they choose wisely.

    Democracy isn’t an option.

  4. BorisG

    Can’t be done.
    Their online systems don’t handle the load.
    Which is why they shut them down.

    Not just online systems. Their pickup centres are tiny.

  5. stackja

    Armadillo – Red China needs a boxer?

  6. Armadillo

    They need a new PR company.
    Whoever is advising them is apparently using the Juicy Smollet playbook.

    They should ask Hunter and Joe for their billion dollars of investment funds back.

  7. Sheer nastiness towards women is a form of trolling.

    If this is true then it means that women are in a constant state of trolling each other.

  8. BorisG

    30% will be temporary but how many will get that job back?

    Some commentators say the economy will be stronger after this as demand will rebound when people shed their restrictions. Low oil/energy/fuel prices will also help.

    I cannot see how this crisis can result in permanent unemployment. Sure temporarily it will be very hard for many people.

    I also think if we impose a total lockdown it will end very quickly. Maybe 2 months (see China).

    If we procrastinate it may last many months and at some point will have to impose total lockdown anyway.

  9. stackja

    How many new office buildings will be needed? How many new bureaucrats will be needed?
    Or do more go to supermarket shelves stacking? Restaurants?

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s hope that is right Boris.

    But a huge risk.

    Trump is doing the right thing then demanding mortgage payments and defaults etc be outlawed until the lockdown is over. If it’s temporary that makes huge sense.

  11. stackja

    Russell Brand is in isolation.

  12. Russell Brand is in isolation.

    Should have happened years ago.

  13. Peted

    Armadillo
    #3365049, posted on March 20, 2020 at 12:59 am
    Red China people willingly accept a reduction in their living standards to help the party elite?

    China desperately needs a calming influence from within at the moment. There are plenty of choices available to them. Let’s hope they are students of history, and that they choose wisely.

    Democracy isn’t an option.

    If they were humble enough to look at Taiwan, they could probably democratise, and based on their resources and organisation, still be in position to win another 20 years of elections.

  14. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From stackja at 1:17 am:

    “Russell Brand is in isolation.”

    Who is Russell Brand and why should I know that?

    If he carks it am I supposed to laugh or cry?

  15. Armadillo

    Armadillo – Red China needs a boxer?

    Certainly not a Boxer Rebellion, which seems to be exactly what is being persued by China on a worldwide scale (albeit in a much more subtle and nuanced manner). The themes are the same in many respects.

    Anti Christian, Anti Imperialist and so on…….

    The Chinese (and later the CCP) just got progressively smarter about how to ultimately win that war. Right up until December 2019. Depending on what happens next, they may well end back on square one where they started in 1899.

  16. Mitch M.

    Infidel Tiger
    #3365056, posted on March 20, 2020 at 1:17 am
    Let’s hope that is right Boris.

    But a huge risk.

    I don’t think it is true because before this and the bush fires the economy was already struggling. Not just here either, there were lots of bad economic indicators around the world. It may even have the effect akin to the Great Depression: people become much more careful with money and are thrifty, not taking out big loans but rather return to the habits of saving money and not being obsessed with consumerism.

  17. Mitch M.

    Russell Brand is in isolation.

    That should be headline news. People will be dancing in the street.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Russell Brand is in isolation.

    Mental hospital?

  19. Mitch M.

    Russell Brand is in isolation.

    The lab technician saw a golden opportunity and created a false positive.

  20. Armadillo

    Russell Brand is in isolation.

    Elites Disease.

    We get to see who is sleeping with the enemy. None of these fuckers are mixing with peasants from Wuhan province and sharing bowls of bat soup.

    The elites make up a tiny proportion of the population, and a disproportionate amount of the infected.

    Join the dots.

  21. Armadillo

    Elites Disease.

    Join the dots.

  22. C.L.

    Dude is qualified to comment:

    In an analysis published Tuesday, Stanford’s John P.A. Ioannidis – co-director of the university’s Meta-Research Innovation Center and professor of medicine, biomedical data science, statistics, and epidemiology and population health – suggests that the response to the coronavirus pandemic may be “a fiasco in the making” because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data. The data we do have, Ioannidis explains, indicates that we are likely severely overreacting.

    “The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco,”Ioannidis writes in an opinion piece published by STAT on Tuesday.

    “Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates – either on its own or because of these measures – short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable,” the statistician writes. “How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?”

  23. Armadillo

    We get to see who is sleeping with the enemy. None of these people are mixing with peasants from Wuhan province and sharing bowls of bat soup.

  24. Armadillo

    Apparently the “W” province name is going into moderation.

    Sinc is probably protecting us from the wrath of our wanna be Chinese overlords.

    Either that or the spaminator is retarded.

  25. EvilElvis

    Once I reach this point though it tends to mean I’m already committed but just don’t know it yet.

    I think you’re right, things will get tighter and the toys will be going cheap. Don’t wait too long. 😉

  26. feelthebern

    Low oil/energy/fuel prices will also help.

    No. That’s causing the biggest problem.
    Low energy prices = US shale goes bust = global debt markets die.
    It’s the single biggest issue causing the credit crunch we are currently in.

  27. Armadillo

    because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data.

    The assumption here is that there is over/under reporting of cases. If true, why?

    It could be a myriad of reasons. Some innocent, some sinister.

    I’d lean to the “sinister” side. It’s more interesting than speculating about some lazy bastard in a morgue in Britan not counting a total of exactly 200 corpses.

  28. Boris

    Our kid is due back to the US for her job at the end of this month.

    You mean end of March? Are you joking?

    One of the exchange PhD students from Russia (not in my group) who was supposed to finish her stint here and go back to Moscow in the coming weeks came to see me today and told me that she is unable to return because there are no flight connections. There may be Aeroflot flights once a week from some destinations to bring Russians home, but this is impossible to arrange in advance. She contacted her Russian university and they arranged a six months extension to her stay in Australia.

    The situation with the US may be slightly better as there may be still United flights to bring Americans home. Is your kid a US citizen?

  29. Infidel Tiger

    BNO Newsroom
    @BNODesk
    BREAKING: Prince Albert, the leader of Monaco, has tested positive for coronavirus – AP
    10:56 PM · Mar 19, 2020·TweetDeck

    Very strange groups of people getting the China Virus.

  30. Boris

    Low energy prices = US shale goes bust = global debt markets die.
    It’s the single biggest issue causing the credit crunch we are currently in.

    But low oil prices are good for the economy longer term, especially for manufacturing and agriculture. That’s why Trump threatened sanctions against OPEC for cartel behavior.

  31. Armadillo

    No one should be too worried about the British death toll.

    It’s Karma for chaining up and flogging the crap out of people for wanting half a slice of bread to eat.

    h/t sisteromalley#kindergarten

  32. Boris

    Low energy prices = US shale goes bust = global debt markets die.
    It’s the single biggest issue causing the credit crunch we are currently in.

    What percentage of the overall US economy is shale oil ? Probably no more than 2%.

    Besides this is very elastic and as soon as the prices rise, the industry will quickly recover. And we have seen this before, just a couple of years ago.

  33. Boris

    Gab
    #3364886, posted on March 19, 2020 at 11:15 pm
    I reckon it will be all back to normal, for Australia, by Easter.

    You mean next year?

  34. Armadillo

    Very strange groups of people getting the China Virus.

    Sleeping with the enemy.

  35. Armadillo

    Maybe this is all innocent and its traditional for those sitting at the “Captains Table” on luxury cruise ships to order “Bat Soup” as an entree?

    It would explain a lot.

  36. Armadillo

    Armadillos Corona Virus Advice:

    Avoid Royalty, Hollywood Stars, Sports Stars, Politicians and other assorted “upper class” retards.

    Amd never accept a lift in what vaguely resembles a Model A Ford being towed by a trailer.

  37. Mitch M.

    “utterly unreliable” data. The data we do have, Ioannidis explains, indicates that we are likely severely overreacting.

    He contradicted himself without even taking a breath. It if the data is utterly unreliable how can he know we are likely severely overreacting?

    Due to extremely limited testing, we are likely missing “the vast majority of infections” from COVID-19, he states, thus making reported fatality rates from the World Health Organization “meaningless.”

    But we do know that even healthy young people can end up with severely damaged lungs and it may take decades for those undiagnosed to demonstrate symptoms arising from that damage.

    Even if we are missing the vast majority of infections that doesn’t change the fact that virus represents a serious threats to certain demographics. Do we want another global yearly burden like the flu or should we try everything to prevent that?

  38. Armadillo

    Do we want another global yearly burden like the flu or should we try everything to prevent that?

    It is the flu, just a different and more virulent variation thereof.

    We are yet to come up with a cure for the common cold, but the upside of this is that Coronavirus might just focus many more minds on prevention.

    Wash your hands. Don’t go out and cough and sneeze on your fellow citizens. This is the basic shit that parents today have neglected to teach their kids.

    Immunity is another factor attributable to “cotton wool” parenting. That and the fact the world is pretty much borderless as far as disease goes.

  39. Enough with the disaster porn, government and meeja fuckwits. Either reopen every single goddamn thing, except trade ties with BatLand and their inbound flights, or shut everything the fuck down.
    The lot. And then let the plebs fight to the death with mallets and axes in the street.

    Yep, either go hard or go home. I’ve had a gutful of the half-measures.

  40. I’ve written into my operating procedures & staff induction, a few paragraphs based around egg_’s comment on people who conduct meetings for a living.

    If we survive this FluManChu season, I’m scrapping the government rate. The bastards will pay full tote odds, or they can park bench it – I don’t care.
    I didn’t think I could hate government more.
    Turns out I can.

    For years I’ve been buried in stern lectures about “essential” services & programs.
    Essential for public health, etc.
    They’ve all been cancelled/postponed.
    So they weren’t essential at all – this includes “essential” electricity infrastructure maintenance, dengue eradication, & lotsa other similar stuff.

  41. Boris

    That is the most comically ridiculous things I’ve ever heard.

    Worldwide pandemic? Let’s cruise!

    That’s the sort of shit a vacuous eastern suburbs narcissist would do.

    While I don’t agree with IT’s choice of words, I ageee with him in substance, it was total madness. I am happy for Lizzie that she is coming back but still concerned she can get other sick or stuck somewhere half way.

    And remember she was telling us how she will disinfect the cabin etc. This means she did consider a probability that someone on the ship will get infected. Pause for a second and think what would have happened if one person got infected. The entire ship will be denied port and will most likely be stranded for a while before all of them are evacuated and quarantined for 2 weeks.

    She got very very lucky.

    And while we are at it, it is not just Lizzie. I have a cousin who is a doctor (!) in the US. This week (!) he went for a vacation to Puerto Rico with 4 small kids. two days after their arrival all beaches, swimming pools, and cafes closed . What did he expect? hope he gets back without further disruption.

  42. Zatara

    Was talking to a mate of mine today who is a meat wholesaler, he predicted below 40. His business has more than doubled.

    Hope he put the proceeds under his mattress and is ready to live on it for a nice quiet few weeks (at least).

    There is no indication that consumption massively increased, just purchasing. So all that panic-bought meat is stuffed into home freezers.

    In 24-48 hours or so the panic will have subsided and reality set in. As the store shelves get magically restocked to their former abundance families are going to look at each other and say ‘WTF were we thinking and WTF are we going to do with all this frozen stuff’?

    At which point the heady days of the beef run will truly be past and sales will be few and far between for a while.

  43. Residents of Venice.

    Fish, dolphin and swans in the canals will not put euros in your pockets.

    What a fabulous good news story.

  44. Zatara

    “Do you consider the term ‘Chinese food’ racist? Because it’s food that originates in China?”

    Priceless. Turnabout is truly fair play and the left-wing propagandists are going nuts over it.

  45. struth

    When are people going to truly wake up to the power of socialism world wide and the disgusting MSN?
    We have lost our freedoms and now have an iron curtain around Australia.
    As quick as that.
    With all the world wide hysteria created by the UN the Chinese owned curruptocrats the MSM and the vile Marxists abusing our children in schools brainwashing them and BOM unreliable politiced data to promote the lie of climate change. …dumb fucking arseholes still listen to thevMSM and throw western civilization out based on lies and propaganda from those who now realise a USA a western country fighting back will actually win against them….and so they do this.

    How fast do you think you’ll be getting your freedom back dickheads?
    I’ve never been angrier.

  46. struth

    Can you look into your spaminator please Sinclair.
    It’s really bad.

  47. struth

    When are people going to truly wake up to the power of socialism world wide and the disgusting MSN?

  48. struth

    We have lost our freedoms and now have an iron curtain around Australia.As quick as that.

  49. struth

    With all the world wide hysteria created by the UN the Chinese owned curruptocrats the MSM and the vile Marxists abusing our children in schools brainwashing them and BOM unreliable politiced data to promote the lie of climate change. …dumb fucking arseholes still listen to thevMSM and throw western civilization out based on lies and propaganda from those who now realise a USA a western country fighting back will actually win against them….and so they do this.

  50. struth

    With all the world wide hysteria created by the UN the Chinese owned curruptocrats the MSM and the vile Marxists abusing our children in schools brainwashing them and BOM unreliable politiced data to promote the lie of climate change.

  51. struth

    If you’ve been taken in by the msm this time you need your arse kicked.

  52. struth

    How fast do you think you’ll be getting your freedom back dickheads?I’ve never been angrier.
    All to stop the USA from fighting back against globalist socialism.

  53. Rockdoctor

    Have a relative in the Seymour area still. Apparently the organised locusts in buses stripping Colesworths shelves have been doing it for the better part of a week or more. Locals have had enough & want proof of residence to be instituted to buy essentials. Probably idle chatter but you never know, if it keeps up rumour is things could get ugly sooner or later. Also the flight schools at Mangalore got into the Chinese students big time so I’d say there’s your intelligence apparatus there especially if some work in spare time at said Colesworths.

  54. struth

    We should now be writing to our local reps demanding our freedom back or we will actively remove them anyway we can.
    We need to do the papers and the social media push back.
    And quick smart.
    Government needs to know we are a wake up to it we are angry and won’t tolerate our freedoms being snuffed out our western civilization ruined our economy destroyed based on the lies of the MSM and the lies being told to them sold as advice from their own Marxist departments.

  55. struth

    Government needs to know we are a wake up to it we are angry and won’t tolerate our freedoms being snuffed out our western civilization ruined our economy destroyed based on the lies of the MSM and the lies being told to them sold as advice from their own Marxist departments.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    The chloroquine thing mentioned on the Cat at least a month ago has now gone official:

    Coronavirus Task Force: Existing Malaria Medication Could Be Used For Virus Treatment

    President Trump announced new medications are showing promise as the FDA works to bring new treatments to the American public.

    During the task force briefing at the White House Friday, the president described a drug called chloroquin, which has long been used as a treatment for malaria, as a possible treatment for coronavirus.

    If it limits virus replication as I think articles have said then it could be very useful for preventing the permanent lung damage issue.

  57. bespoke

    Bruce in WA
    #3364965, posted on March 19, 2020 at 11:50 pm
    My wife and I are in “voluntary isolation”. We have 4 official days left and have decided to add another 7. Why? Not because of us, but because we don’t anyone else to be concerned about US!

    Yes you have

  58. Struth

    Do we want another global yearly burden like the flu or should we try everything to prevent that?

    NO NO NO NO NO.

    Government control to the point of home imprisonment?

    NO NO NO.
    The loss of the west?

    NO NO NO NO.

  59. Herodotus

    The BBC’s The Inquiry as bad as ABC’s Q&A
    This is a program that takes itself very seriously. It uses “experts” and solemn music to create the appearance of a genuine examination of a topic, and reaches a conclusion within the half hour.
    The latest edition includes among its experts a journalist, and makes more assertions than inquiries.
    Conclusion: Donald Trump is to blame for America’s poor and delayed response to Da Virus!

  60. Struth

    Dutton is surprisingly well after a few days of the black death.

  61. Struth

    Please write to the Outsiders to see if they will take a look at the MSM, marxist deep state departments with figures the BOM would be proud of, and the global scare campaign to oust Trump

  62. Struth

    Good on Lizzie and Hairy.
    They summed up the bullshit factor in all of this and tried to make the best of a holida socialists have been tring to ruin

  63. Farmer Gez

    The terrible toll in Italy is as astounding as it is perplexing.
    The stain they have is obviously very severe and it raises the question, why? Iran it seems has something similar and yet the Chinese have seemingly turned the corner, funny that.
    The pieces do not fit for a general spread of the same Wuhan flu strain.
    We’ll find out in due course but what we discover may be far more troubling that lack of toilet paper.

  64. Farmer Gez

    The Chicoms have got control of the blog. Moderation’s gone mad.

  65. Barry

    The clarity of the water in Venice’s canals is solely due to the lack of Chinese tourists expectoration in them.

  66. bespoke

    The equal and opposite reaction is surplus to requirement and has become repetitive.

  67. The Beer Whisperer

    I know the coronavirus genome has been released, but I have to wonder whether there is any measles or chicken pox sequence in it, considering the similarities in terms of the age factor. It is suspiciously similar in how it gets worse the older you are.

  68. Farmer Gez

    The small town of Wedderburn o the Calder Highway an hour North of Bendigo, has a proof of identity system now in its supermarket.
    The owners say they apologise but they can only service their local population. Well done. Locusts go away.

  69. bespoke

    They should also take note on who’s transporting them, Farmer.

  70. Dr Faustus

    In Fuck You Very Much Colesworth news:

    Coronavirus preparation shopping has local businesses working non-stop to meet demand

    As many Australians prepare to self-isolate or reduce their movements amid the coronavirus pandemic, and with essentials such as milk, bread, mince and toilet paper selling out — it’s creating an opening for small, local businesses.

    I’m self isolated (reasonably, due to sharing an aircraft for 14 hours with 300 coughing spluttering international pax). Monday, nothing fresh in the house, so we went onto the Coles home delivery site (as suggested by BorderForce) and ordered modestly from the limited range available.

    A three day turnaround promised, but 12 hours later the oder was cancelled by email: “because of the unprecedented demand for home delivery, we are cancelling your order so we can provide essential supplies to the elderly and self-isolating”.

    Followed by a repeat performance with Woolworths for exactly the same reason.

    Wednesday morning, Mrs Faustus phoned around our local retailers, and last night we received the last delivery courtesy of the gig economy.

    Amongst the ‘when this is all over’ things, I fervently hope that the inert Colesworth slugs develop corporate arse cancer to the benefit of the small trader.

  71. Struth

    People like Zucker should be jailed for this.

  72. lotocoti

    After Malvern Starring for miles through the stygian sadness of the WuFlucalypse,
    here is the stock report:
    Gracemere up marginally 2210 head – best vealer steers 424c.
    Emerald down nearly 50% on last week’s outlier 2035 – 404c.
    Blackall up bigly 3285 – 424.2c.
    Charters Towers down a third, 1289 – 374c.

  73. Rockdoctor

    Wow, Wedderburn the locusts getting that far out… Even here in Hunter Valley still can’t get toilet rolls or basics, this now more than hoarding. Everyone here would have a stash by the numbers being sold by now. Haven’t seen any buses but there would have to be some outside influences.

  74. DavidH

    Are my language skills failing me? Apparently CBA has reduced fixed rates while variable rates remain unchanged.

  75. Mater

    Wow, Wedderburn the locusts getting that far out

    Every rural town up to, and including, Deniliquin, Rockdoctor.

    Rochester, Echuca, Maryborough, Castlemaine, Seymour, Kyneton, Woodend, Macedon, Gisborne, Daylesford, Romsey, Riddells Creeks…the list is comprehensive.

    Those towns closer to Melbourne were/are being hit daily, at doors open. Distance to Melbourne is directly proportional to the number of times they are hit daily. The Macedon Ranges was/is being destroyed.

  76. Old School Conservative

    this now more than hoarding

    Yep.
    Local black market plus export to Hong Kong and China is my guess.

    As an aside, I can feel racist bones in my body stirring for the first time in many years.
    Many indications point to Chinese doing the shelf stripping in an organised manner.
    Anger bubbling.

  77. Dr Faustus

    In End of Days news, Their ABC takes the piss out of sports virtue signalling:

    …upon viewing the first of what AFL chief executive officer Gillon McLachlan optimistically declared — or, upon review, perhaps threatened — would be a 153-game-season, there seems one certainty.

    The AFL will be world’s best practice in social distance signalling (SDS).

    SDS is the art of demonstrating that you are following all of those stern health authority warnings intended to save the lives of still mostly hypothetical old people, while going about what we used to call normal life.

    Prolly allowed because ‘all of those stern health authority warnings’ come from Morrison/Dutton.

  78. Caveman

    Remember this line from 2017

    “Millionaire tells millennials: if you want a house, stop buying avocado toast”

    I’ve changed it for 2020

    “Millionaire tells millennials: if you want a house, stop buying toilet paper”

  79. Old School Conservative

    The toilet roll “shortage” is partially aided and abetted by the Colesworth duopoly.
    When TP hoarding first appeared, it would have been simple for them to arrange a rationing procedure.
    But no.
    They were more than happy to sell multiple packs of TP to the first people through the gate – cash flow is more important than community sanity.
    Rationing would string out the cash collections.

  80. calli

    The Daily Bugle (aka Sunrise) tells me that more people have died in Italy and than in China from the WuFlu.

    Yeah.

    Right.

  81. Dr Faustus

    China’s worst nightmare coming to reality.

    Trump invokes Defense Production Act to expand production of hospital masks and more

    Worse, it’s not just Trump beating the drum:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – General Motors Co (GM.N) and Ford Motor Co (F.N) said on Wednesday they were in talks with White House officials about how they could support production of medical equipment like ventilators that may be needed to combat the coronavirus outbreak.

    Unapologetically calling Covid19 the China Virus, “because it’s accurate, and I want to be accurate” and mobilising the US manufacturing industry into space held by Chinese manufacturers.
    Rough treatment ahead for the Middle Kingdom.

  82. Mother Lode

    Priceless. Turnabout is truly fair play and the left-wing propagandists are going nuts over it.

    They will pretend she really wanted to have that clarified rather than pointing out the absurdity of saying something is racist merely because it mentions a nation or race.

    I would wager saying “Have you noticed that all of China’s citizens are Chinese” trigger the ‘Raaaaacist’ reflex in some people before they noticed it was a tautology, and even then they would resort to arguing what you really meant – which was raaaaacist.

  83. calli

    I was interested in this comment from M0nty last night

    m0nty
    #3364854, posted on March 19, 2020 at 10:56 pm
    Think about it though, these bullshit service jobs you are talking about are all predicated on the need to maintain markets for capitalism to function. Advertising, broking, consulting… these are all functions created by and for the capitalist system. If you abolish them in favour of primary workers, you are pretty much a fellow traveller with old mate Karl.

    It made me think about the fragile house of cards that is built on liberty by unproductive grifters.

    In some ways, the drones resemble the nomenklatura in a soviet system, doing little but living fatly. They’re not really functions invented to support capitalism, just the usual drawing of benefits from the truly productive.

    Losing them will not damage the idea of capitalism. It might make them seek productive work once those jobs are no more.

  84. I agree Calli.

    Archivist mentioned that only ‘in hospital’ deaths were counted by the Chinese.

    My Chinese friend said in early February you could multiply declared Chinese deaths by any factor you liked.

    I believe it.

  85. Well Dutton did say there was evidence of criminal activity in relation to the ‘panic buying’

    Can anyone get stats on outwards air freight to China/Hong Kong?

  86. calli

    And chin up, Lizzie. A lot of argy-bargy here about your trip, but so what? Live bigly. You’re the one stumping up the money to do it. And enjoy visiting with your elderly aunt.

    Someone mentioned mincers (not Qantas ones) up thread. I used to have one of those cast iron ones, but left it behind in PNG with the housegirl. Now it’s an attachment to the Kitchenaid, and it works like a charm. You can add a sausage making tube to it too but I haven’t tried that. Yet.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    Yes. The Macedon Ranges would be ratshit at present.

    It’s by far the closest and untrafficked area to the CBD, and is (or used to be) ideal for countryish life vs city work. Romsey was 45 minutes – if that – to Flemington, with the first set of traffic lights on Ormond Rd.

    But if you overlay all those towns Mater rattled off with the road networks, it is ideal for locusting.

    Every morning between 4.30 and 5.00 a.m., alllllll the inscrutable dry cleaners with TB would come down from their lairs in the high-rise houso flats and get on a minibus, which would whisk them off to work at the market gardens.

    It takes no imagination at all to see them employed for another purpose.

  88. Mansfield got the busloads of black marketeers as well.

    Also headed down at least as far as Warrnambool too.

  89. calli

    The shelf-stripping won’t be forgotten in a hurry. Sadly, many innocent, kindly people will be tarred with the same brush.

    These creatures have done their countrymen no favours.

  90. Mater

    From m0nty:

    Advertising, broking, consulting… these are all functions created by and for the capitalist system. If you abolish them in favour of primary workers, you are pretty much a fellow traveller with old mate Karl.

    Kinda describes Unions perfectly. They are a product of Capitalism, and that’s why Lenin, Hitler, et al, dispensed with them post haste (at least in the form which we understand them to be).

  91. Mater

    It takes no imagination at all to see them employed for another purpose.

    The word is, each ‘runner’ gets $1 for each pack of toilet paper they glean.
    Not sure of the payment structure for other items.

  92. Knuckle Dragger

    Thunderous applause for Wedderburn, by the way. Whoever manages that supermarket will be deified.

    All you need is three or four six foot farmboys standing around the front of the shop.

    ‘Morning Sally. Morning Robbo. Morning Mrs Gibson, are you right with that? Morning Barry. Oi Macka, is your sister still fat?

    [Icy cold, to a busload of batfuckers before they even get off the bus]

    ‘Can I fuckin’ help you? Yer a loooong way from the big smoke now.’ Tyres being half-deflated by colleagues, just enough to get them out of town before they notice.

    ‘Tell you what. You can have all the no-skid you want. Just get through this door [points]. Terry and me will be in front of it with a four-pound hammer and a pick handle.’

  93. The Beer Whisperer

    calli
    #3365182, posted on March 20, 2020 at 8:03 am
    The Daily Bugle (aka Sunrise) tells me that more people have died in Italy and than in China from the WuFlu.

    Yeah.

    Right.

    Don’t be silly, Calli.

    You can check out the Chinese mobile crematoriums yourself. Nothing there!

  94. Helen

    Calli, I am so envious of your Kitchen Aid. What model have you and do you really, really love it? Would you get the same one again?

    I don’t bake or even bread make any more so I can’t really justify getting one, but sometimes I dream.

  95. Caveman

    Already a problem
    Vic sewer blockages with wrong toilet roll

    This is the plague part of the scriptures starting.

  96. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now it’s an attachment to the Kitchenaid, and it works like a charm. You can add a sausage making tube to it too but I haven’t tried that. Yet.

    Often been tempted too; but sausage skins only seem to come in boxes of bazillions.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Tough times bring out the best in people, it is said.

    Exhibit A – the bloke who managed to combine dunny roll shortages and Vietnam flashback dogs in the midweek WIP.

  98. mh

    Winner of UK death lotto is…. Matrix Transform

    Death toll 144, MT 147

  99. lotocoti

    The Daily Bugle (aka Sunrise) tells me that more people have died in Italy and than in China from the WuFlu.

    By the time this is over, nobody will have succumbed in the PRC.

  100. Boambee John

    UBI is a bad idea … but uncle Milt liked the idea.

    Universal basic job. Sorting recycling, picking up papers on the street, in parks/urban bushlands, on beaches/banks of waterways. The kind of stuff ‘vironmentalists tell us is important, but are not willing to do themselves.

    Paid at a UBI sufficient for a single person to live in a bedsitter in the outer suburbs.

  101. liliana

    calli
    #3365182, posted on March 20, 2020 at 8:03 am
    The Daily Bugle (aka Sunrise) tells me that more people have died in Italy and than in China from the WuFlu.
    Yeah.
    Right.

    Unfortunately a lot of gullible people believe this AND think China is wonderful for sending medics to Italy. China’s Ministry of Truth in in overdrive pumping out mass propaganda to deflect its culpability in this mess.

  102. Boambee John

    Armadillo

    We are yet to come up with a cure for the common cold, but the upside of this is that Coronavirus might just focus many more minds on prevention.

    Divert 50% of the money currently being wasted on climate change “research” into research into virus based diseases. Kill two birds with one stone!

  103. Anne

    Follow @EntheosShines

    This tweet from 29th May 2017.

    Mark this date: 5-29-20 (3 yrs from now). At that time you’ll see all new justices, collapsed MSM, & 1000’s in prison. An #AmericanReset

    I suspect he’s part of QTeam.

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    Here we go again.

    Kerang, this time. Doctors (allegedly represented by a cabal of fuckwits calling themselves the Rural Quacks’ Association or something) are saying people will die, of BatVirus naturally, in the street waiting for treatment.

    A rep for said group on the teev shamelessly saying there would be zero health services in rural Victoria if a doctor is unavailable, and that the ones there ‘need resources’ (money for more support staff, which of course the docs will trouser instead of using for said staff).

    I’m almost prepared to say it’s high tide with this stupid, unreasonable scaremongering.

    Doctors want taxpayer cash because coronavirus.
    Poofy hipster Melbourne restaurants want taxpayer cash because coronavirus.
    The NRL wants taxpayer cash because coronavirus because players on $300K have mortgages.
    The arts community wants taxpayer cash because coronavirus and Captain Obvious.
    Doctors’ rep groups (not necessarily the docs themelves) want taxpayer cash because coronavirus.
    Wankers on cruise chips in the South Pacific demanding taxpayer cash to get home in First Class so they can be properly adored by the plebs because coronavirus.
    National Parks demanding taxpayer cash to compensate for lost touro income (actually lost through shit, lazy business practices but there’s a window here) because coronavirus.
    The ABC wants more entrenched taxpayer cash because coronavirus and national emergency broadcaster.

    The well of public sympathy’s running dry, you effete pansies.

  105. lotocoti

    Hare & Forbes’ birthday sale ends tomorrow if you want to pick up a sausage stuffer or meat mincer for a good price.

  106. Dr Faustus

    …but sausage skins only seem to come in boxes of bazillions.

    Home quantities are available from butchers.

    Used to be that butchers would either give small amounts to you for nothing if you bought meat, or abused you along the lines of ‘far cough, I sell sausages, not skins’. Now, better butchers seem to be happy to sell casings on a retail basis: google ‘sausage casings’ and you should see a list of butchers who advertise casings for sale.

    The real problem is getting hold of pork/beef fat.

  107. Anne

    HT, someone on the Internet.

    If COVID-19 forces Planned Parenthood to close for two weeks, the virus will have saved more lives than it has taken.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘China is wonderful for sending medics to Italy.’

    Yeah.

    ‘Medics’.

  109. mh

    If COVID-19 forces Planned Parenthood to close for two weeks, the virus will have saved more lives than it has taken.

    Anne, you’ve done well.

  110. Sean

    ‘Free Candy for everybody’

    The SMH solution to the problem

  111. min

    I went to house open day whilst looking for granddaughter to buy , who at monent working up to 15 hrs a day as doctor in hospital and no time for house hunting.
    Agent has followed up constantly and now auction brought forward aweek because lack of lookers and they think government going to stop auctions . Place in Kew so perhaps more likely to have had big numbers pre covid days.

  112. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Are those stupid narcissistic quacks still stuck on the plague ship off Chile?

    That’s been a wonderful good news story among all the hysteria and bullshit we’ve been subjected to over the last month.

    This whole bat flu bullshit will go down as the most embarrassing ridiculous and utterly destructive instance of braindead mass hysteria in human history – it makes the thirty plus years of gerbil worming bullshit look almost benign.

    Absolutely fucking pathetic.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    Today is the 80th day of 2020.

    Every year, on average 150,000 people die worldwide every day. (That’s from Wiki, Plagiarism Bob.)

    Today, the cumulative count would therefore be about 12,000,000.
    VerminEaterFlu worldwide count, according to the teev – 9800.

    12,000,000.
    9800.

    150,000 every day.
    122.5.

    If you wanted to make the point even more stark, take out the BatLand and Italian fatalities, and put them down as self-inflicted.

  114. mh

    Italy says arrivederci to another 427

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    Divert 50% of the money currently being wasted on climate change “research” into research into virus based diseases. Kill two birds with one stone!

    Kill two bats with one blade.

  116. Good morning all.
    I don’t know if he is a real Victoriastan senator, but Michael Wang is making a name for himself with a viral post of him boasting about the purchase of a mini bus to allow er, Oriental shoppers to plunder the regional markets. All for the glory of China apparently. Is this real?

  117. dover_beach

    I’m self isolated (reasonably, due to sharing an aircraft for 14 hours with 300 coughing spluttering international pax). Monday, nothing fresh in the house, so we went onto the Coles home delivery site (as suggested by BorderForce) and ordered modestly from the limited range available.

    A three day turnaround promised, but 12 hours later the oder was cancelled by email: “because of the unprecedented demand for home delivery, we are cancelling your order so we can provide essential supplies to the elderly and self-isolating”.

    People need to do the math. There is no way Coles, Woolies, IGA, etc. could cover the millions of households with home delivery. To cover just 100,000 households you’d need about 286 3-tonne trucks delivering 25 households across two shifts. You’d also need at least 600 drivers and about 1000-2000 shoppers. I would guess that is more than the entire capacity of the online departments for the entire country for any one of the above.

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘braindead mass hysteria’

    Bang on, Monkfish.

    Remember a few years back at Tullamarine Airport, when a bloke keeled over inside the terminal? The surrounding lemmings, already conditioned to the concept of bioweaponry being released inside buildings just like that one by terrorists all decided that they too were experiencing the symptoms of imminent death.

    Result: Airport shut down, massive financial arse-kicking, every ambulance in Melbourne turning up leaving cardiac patients to ACTUALLY die in their homes and in the street.

    Disaster and terrorism plans activated by the emergency services ‘just in case’. Nearly 200 useless sheep taken to hospital. Every single one of them released later that day and rightly so, because there was nothing fucking wrong with them.

    And after it was all over, everyone sort of went ‘Oh’, brushed over what they could and went back to the daily routine.

    When all this finishes there will be mountains of textbooks written on this.

    The physiological reaction of humans when confronted with a perceived threat; combined with
    The opportunism concreted into human nature;
    The commercial realities of the media industry and sensationalism; and
    The overriding nature and requirement of human beings to be scared, then comforted, then led in large groups into pens for their own protection.

  119. feelthebern

    Besides this is very elastic and as soon as the prices rise, the industry will quickly recover. And we have seen this before, just a couple of years ago.

    Yes, Dec 2018 & the Fed had to step in with a policy change.
    Boris, put down the highschool economics textbook you found in your mothers basement.
    The energy industry impacts credit more than any other industry on the planet.

  120. vr

    Looks like GOP’s senators are asking for trouble by putting forward an overly complicated and ungenerous plan. It doesn’t adjust for cost-of-living. Stupid!

  121. mh

    Sadiq Khan

    @SadiqKhan
    #Coronavirus: The coronavirus is not ‘Chinese’. Viruses do not have nationalities.

    Thank you @unmeshdesai for raising this question. #MQT

    Meanwhile in Khan’s London

    A London hospital trust has become the first to admit it is turning away coronavirus patients, as NHS chiefs warned services in the capital are on the brink of being overwhelmed.

    Lewisham and Greenwich NHS Trust said it has transferred Covid-19 patients to neighbouring hospitals, as demand for lifesaving treatment surges.

    A senior clinician at the trust revealed that at one stage on Tuesday only one patient had been admitted to intensive care out of an eligible group of five, although the trust insists all who have required ventilation have so far received it.

  122. Roger

    Government reportedly conmsidering including rugby league in the “stimulus” package round 2.

    The AFL will then surely put its hand up, not to mention the already on the ropes Rugby Australia.

    Tax payers fearful for their jobs subsidising the living of millionaires.

  123. feelthebern

    In some of the Congressional filings today, you can see that a lot of US politicians dumped stocks last month.
    A lot is being made of a GOP Senator.
    There’s about a 100 of them who sold shit last month.
    FMD.

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    More brilliance from Kerang. Put it up on the whiteboard alongside Wedderburn.

    Local bloke of Mediterranean extraction somehow, magically, but as Mediterranean types are wont to do, sourced his very own pallet of toilet paper.

    And gave it away to locals. Not to the locusts, to the locals.

    *standing ovation*

    #fuckyoulocusts

  125. Dr Faustus

    There is no way Coles, Woolies, IGA, etc. could cover the millions of households with home delivery. To cover just 100,000 households you’d need about 286 3-tonne trucks delivering 25 households across two shifts.

    This is true.
    And yet here we are: BorderForce and the Queensland Government have assumed it is possible and in fact advise it as an integral part of the official isolation strategy.

    Wait for the civil disobedience when self-isolation numbers reach more than a few thousand.

  126. Roger

    I’m self isolated (reasonably, due to sharing an aircraft for 14 hours with 300 coughing spluttering international pax). Monday, nothing fresh in the house, so we went onto the Coles home delivery site (as suggested by BorderForce) and ordered modestly from the limited range available.

    Faustus, from memory you’re in Brisbane.

    I heard a report that Qld Health is reportedly supplying food for those in self-isolation. Not sure if you have to be under a directive or simply following Border Force instructions but worth giving them a call.

  127. Mark A

    Just wait until the Jehovah Witnesses figure out everybody is home.

  128. Mater

    making a name for himself with a viral post of him boasting about the purchase of a mini bus to allow er, Oriental shoppers to plunder the regional markets. All for the glory of China apparently. Is this real?

    This whole concept has the bonus of potentially creating a nice even spread of the virus into rural communities. If this is what your aim is, it seems like exactly the right demographic to have traipsing around, and touching everything and everyone, in the one essential gathering place within these communities.

    Bizarre behaviour under the circumstances.

  129. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom,

    as a Patriots Fan – Steve Kelley today

  130. Old school Conservative:

    As an aside, I can feel racist bones in my body stirring for the first time in many years.
    Many indications point to Chinese doing the shelf stripping in an organised manner.
    Anger bubbling.

    Same here – although I have considered myself racist for about 5 years now. Mainly because of people playing the race card whilst they behave in a manner only a vanishingly small percentage of Australians ever did.
    And, I might add, those playing the race card are busily claiming their cultural superiority and virtue.

  131. Roger

    making a name for himself with a viral post of him boasting about the purchase of a mini bus to allow er, Oriental shoppers to plunder the regional markets. All for the glory of China apparently. Is this real?

    It’s on FB…but does that make it real?

  132. You’ve gone from amusingly quirky to total f*ckwit!

    Fact check: true.

  133. Natural Instinct

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    .

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    The program will provide grants between $25,000 and $400,000 on a co-contribution basis to successful applicants. It will run over three years from 2020–21 to 2022–23, with $6 million available for Round One.
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  134. Delta A

    And gave it away to locals

    Local Woolies gave a bag containing four loose rolls of tp to everyone who turned up for oldies hour this morning.

  135. woolfe

    Day 1 of my 14 day isolation.

    Had to fill in form at airport saying would self isolate, luckily had my fingers crossed when filled it in. Was given a form from state fed gov, big stick zillion dollar fines, imprionment etc, and then another from state government promising the same.

    I am not bored yet.

  136. Anne

    If he carks it am I supposed to laugh or cry?

    A knowing look and a dismissive shrug should suffice.

  137. Old School Conservative:

    The toilet roll “shortage” is partially aided and abetted by the Colesworth duopoly.
    When TP hoarding first appeared, it would have been simple for them to arrange a rationing procedure.

    Under Emperor Winstons Civil Defence – Exotic Illnesses From Manky Countries Plan, Colesworth will have limited rationing imposed on it the same day that the airlines and trains are shut down. They have demonstrated their inability and refusal to consider their customers needs and must now pay the price.
    🙂

  138. Dr Faustus

    I heard a report that Qld Health is reportedly supplying food for those in self-isolation. Not sure if you have to be under a directive or simply following Border Force instructions but worth giving them a call.

    Roger: thanks for that.
    The Qld Health staff at the airport were expressly pointing to Colesworth online as the solution, while at the same time giving sub poena instructions to isolate. But no doubt there is some emergency food relief available through the welfare system – it’s inconceivable that Palacechook would risk the Courier Mail’s expose of people starving on Government orders.

    My original post was point out that small business is efficiently filling the gap left open by the apparently unplanned and inert corporate state.

  139. Anne

    How long are these threads these days? 😳

  140. egg_

    I also think if we impose a total lockdown it will end very quickly. Maybe 2 months (see China).

    The troll is patently insane.

  141. Currently homeschooling my 5yo and 3yo. Send thoughts & prayers.

  142. Mater

    It’s on FB…but does that make it real?

    Perhaps not the sponsor, but definitely the behaviour.
    We are destroying our livelihoods, one day at a time, by self isolating, yet these clowns are frolicking around the state going from one community hub to the next, with gay abandon.

    Dumb.

  143. Hence my asking Roger! 🙂 If it is real, then expect the senator to say he was hacked or taken out of context in his televised non apology apology.

  144. mh

    Is the Victorian government cracking down yet on Australians complaining about the Chinese raiding country towns and spreading COVID-19?

  145. twostix

    Coles and woolies are doing christmas level trading every single day…in March.

    Let’s not pretend they don’t have a multi billion dollar incentive to keep this situation in place as long as possible.

  146. Anne

    Tweet from @EntheosShines

    Dated 22nd March 2018

    DO NOT PANIC: When The #StockMarket Goes Down Below 20,000 Remain Calm – Everything Is Going To Be Reset & There Will Be Volatility – Short Term Disruption Will Eventually Lead To Long Term Stability – We Have One Of The Greatest Minds In American History In The Captain’s Chair.

    What happens in Australia when the US returns to the Gold Standard?

  147. Roger

    The Qld Health staff at the airport were expressly pointing to Colesworth online as the solution

    Things are fast moving, as they say.

    I was doing something else at the time but sure I heard the QLD CMO on the tele yesterday tell people in isolation to contact them if having trouble sourcing food. Must be that they’ve been advised of Colesworth’s difficulties.

  148. Calli:

    The shelf-stripping won’t be forgotten in a hurry. Sadly, many innocent, kindly people will be tarred with the same brush.
    These creatures have done their countrymen no favours.

    Calli, the shelf strippers don’t give a damn about the anyone but themselves.

  149. Shy Ted

    Amazing Polly has her own channel now. Just watched the Viral Marketing vid, Aussie elitist leftie gets a special segment and mention.

  150. mh

    m0nty
    #3365285, posted on March 20, 2020 at 9:59 am
    Currently homeschooling my 5yo and 3yo. Send thoughts & prayers.

    Prayers? Why?

  151. egg_

    But we do know that even healthy young people can end up with severely damaged lungs and it may take decades for those undiagnosed to demonstrate symptoms arising from that damage.

    What’s the hard data on this scaremongering?
    Smells like CAGW hyperbole.
    STEM useful idiots being sucked in.

  152. egg_

    “I’m just a dispassionate researcher looking at the data” are the useful idiots who got us into the CAGW melee.
    Lab rats.

  153. Mater

    Went to the Supermarket this morning (one confined to the locals) to pick up some essentials (one of anything only).

    It’s the first time I’ve ever seen a man ring his wife to excitedly report that he’d picked up a six-pack.
    I’ve never seen someone so excited whilst perusing the toilet paper isle.

  154. Annie!:

    If COVID-19 forces Planned Parenthood to close for two weeks, the virus will have saved more lives than it has taken.

    Very good!

  155. Farmer Gez

    Chooks are the next in line for shortage.
    Your local Greek fish n’ chip and roast chook cafe are being squeezed out by the big buyers for supply.

  156. egg_

    Good on Lizzie and Hairy.
    They summed up the bullshit factor in all of this and tried to make the best of a holida socialists have been tring to ruin

    Hear! Hear!

  157. Diogenes

    This may have been raised earlier, and I am not going scroll back umpety-ump pages…
    If the plagues of locusts shelf stripping at the moment are actually sending the stuff ‘home’ rather ‘just’ hoarding, what are we NOT being told about the food situation there ?

  158. woolfe

    How the Chinese now dress, photo taken yesterday in Emirates Lounge Heathrow
    https://imgur.com/3hW4GWC

  159. Confused Old Misfit

    what are we NOT being told about the food situation

    We get whatever pap the unnamed “officials” put out.
    There are no investigative journalists anymore.
    They all just re-write press releases.

  160. OldOzzie

    Hayward: It’s Time to Quarantine the Chinese Communist Party

    As nations across the world struggle to contain the W*han coronavirus, they should realize it is also long past time to quarantine the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

    The people of China must understand that their future under the Communist Party is as outcasts, lepers, pariahs – isolated and quarantined by the civilized world. If that is not the future they want, the time to rise up and overthrow the Communists is now.

    The future of China is warehouses stuffed full of rotting and decaying goods no one will buy, accounts filled with money they can’t spend, travel instantly blocked at the first sign of pandemic because that’s the only responsible way for the world to handle the Communist Party.

    The early days of the W*han outbreak provide a deadly and unforgettable lesson that the Communists cannot be trusted to do anything except protect their own political and financial interests. They love to turn the rhetoric of civilized nations against them, nattering on endlessly about global standards, international law, and “win-win cooperation,” but they believe in none of those things. The lives of their own citizens matter very little to the CCP, the lives of foreigners even less.

    China kept international officials from visiting the hot zone, politically corrupted the World Health Organization (WHO) – which was advising against travel bans just as the W*han virus was exploding into a global pandemic, and wouldn’t even admit it was a “pandemic” until one week ago, when it became impossible to deny the truth – and is now expelling foreign journalists, cutting off the meager trickle of clean information to the outside world.

    China is far too opaque, far too dismissive of basic human rights, to be welcomed into reputable international organizations as a full member. The CCP corrupts every organization it joins. It should be expelled from all of them, or relegated to observer status only. WHO could begin this process by correcting the unspeakable injustice of excluding Taiwan to protect China’s vanity. Taiwan should be a full member of WHO, and China should be an observer at best.

    That assumes WHO cleans out all of the officials who bowed to the CCP’s demands and becomes an organization worth belonging to. Taiwan’s exemplary handling of the coronavirus may actually have been helped by not being a member of the World Health Organization, insulating the island from Beijing’s propaganda and political demands. What clearer signal could there be that China’s rulers must be quarantined before they can infect any more important international structures with their politics?

  161. twostix

    what are we NOT being told about the food situation

    Coles and woolies have contracts to send huge quantites of food to China.

  162. egg_

    The COVID-19 infection rate is the new CO2 ppm?

  163. Ed Case

    Who cares about the food situation ”there”?
    The supermarkets have 3 days stock in store. Should interstate and intrastate transport be halted abruptly
    [gatherings of 100+ people, spread of infection whatever pick a reason], those hoarders will appear prescient.

  164. If you have Facebook, search Michael Wang For Senate. Or try a general search engine. Again if true, where is Premier Andrews on this?

  165. Fat Tony

    Hi Anne – good to see you back

  166. Black Ball:
    https://www.facebook.com/MichaelWangforVictoria/
    At a rough guess, I’d say it’s a parody site.
    I mean nobody, nobody, could be that tin eared, right?

  167. Leigh Lowe

    Mater
    #3365300, posted on March 20, 2020 at 10:06 am
    Went to the Supermarket this morning (one confined to the locals) to pick up some essentials (one of anything only).
    It’s the first time I’ve ever seen a man ring his wife to excitedly report that he’d picked up a six-pack.
    I’ve never seen someone so excited whilst perusing the toilet paper isle.

    So.
    Is the plague of inscrutable locusts under some control?

  168. Anne

    Trump has ordered the Navy Hospital Ships be deployed to each coast.

    I suspect they’re not for COVID-19 patients.

    ———

    In other news: 25,969 sealed indictments in California. About the same for the New York megalopolis.

  169. OldOzzie

    Coronavirus Is America’s Chinese Wake Up Call

    China may be a trading partner. But it is not a friend.

    The worldwide panic over coronavirus has forced us all to think about how we live, work, do business, and interact. It might also give us a chance to rectify some serious lapses of judgment that we, as a country, have made.

    For instance, with China’s economy still reeling from the economic impact of the disease, maybe it’s time for America to rethink our insane over-dependence on China for everything from clothes, to computers, to smart-phones, to even the medicines we need to combat corona—which, despite politically correct howls to remain mute about it, started in China!

    Attention, America: that freedom is at risk. The massive shutdown of China’s industrial output in response to the corona scourge has demonstrated just how thoroughly we have outsourced our manufacturing might in the name of saving a few bucks. Right now, we need their economic engine to keep humming. Things we used to make for ourselves—cars, electronics, clothes, shoes, baseball bats—now have the “Made in China” logo dug into them so deeply we hardly notice whose economy we are propping up with each purchase.

  170. egg_

    People who recover after being infected with the novel coronavirus can still be left with substantially weakened lung capacity, with some left gasping for air when walking quickly, doctors in Hong Kong have found.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/even-those-who-recover-from-corona-can-be-left-gasping-for-breath-afterwards

    I believe that Asians have a protein in the lungs susceptible to the flu.

  171. Anne

    Hi Tony. 🙋🏼‍♀️

  172. Shy Ted

    Anyone who holidays outside Australia in the next 5 years should be shamed and beaten. That’s also on my recovery list.
    I only go to Tuscany and the Greek Islands because I can’t afford to go to Uluru and Broome.

    I’m an Asia fan myself but it’s not very enticing at the moment. Tell me, if I do go to Uluru or Broome, can I bring back a wife?

  173. Anne

    Toilet Paper hack:

    Go to the produce section and surreptitiously de-husk the corn cobs. 😉

  174. Fat Tony

    m0nty
    #3365285, posted on March 20, 2020 at 9:59 am
    Currently homeschooling my 5yo and 3yo. Send thoughts & prayers.

    Hey monty – make sure you keep drinking plenty of water – the last thing you need right now is an emergency visit to hospital for kidney stones.
    As far as “thoughts & prayers” – many here do exactly that for you

  175. egg_

    In the ongoing 2019-nCoV epidemic across China, the deaths have been skewed two to one in favor of men. A new study, if confirmed by later research, may begin shining some light onto why this is happening.

    A recent Chinese analysis of a single cell RNA-seq dataset suggests that men and Asian people may have higher expression of ACE2, the cell surface protein that 2019-nCoV uses to attack humans cells, on the alveolar epithelial cells inside the lungs that ACE2 usually infects.

    https://theprepared.com/blog/new-study-suggests-2019-ncov-may-hit-men-asian-people-harder/

  176. egg_

    What wishes did M0nty send to Peter Dutton?

  177. Mother Lode

    My company has sent out an email asking people to work from home if they can.

    The CEO is a bit of a slimy toad, frothing himself into a lather on SJW issues – I have already mentioned that the focus of ‘Mens Day’ was ‘What can men do to help women?’.

    I don’t know if he is a sublime cynic, or panty-waister. But he is a creature that acts as a resonance chamber to every cause du jour, taking what is just a few breathless lines from mediocre intellects of the elite and the MSM, and turning it into duties and policies and rituals for people who couldn’t give a rats.

    This kind of man is the problem.

  178. Mater

    So.
    Is the plague of inscrutable locusts under some control?

    The ‘controlled’ supermarkets (usually the independently owned and operated) have limited stocks of some things (but certainly not everything, yet). Enough to live on but they are still recovering from the first two /three weeks of raiding.

    The ‘corporation’ regularly has nothing.

    The proof is in the puddling.

  179. lotocoti

    Tell me, if I do go to Uluru or Broome, can I bring back a wife?

    No need.
    I neglected to add in my earlier stock report, plain bred cows are down to 237c at some yards.

  180. areff

    The end of civilisation. Just received this from what used to be known as the Working man’s Club before people who don’t barrack for the Bulldogs began colonising in the West with their BMWs, four-garbage bin policies and declarations of climate energencies:

    Altona Sports Club Board and management want to reassure members that it will ensure that the health and welfare of our members, staff and patrons, and Altona Sports Club, are our number one priorities.
    TRADING UPDATE
    Due to implications from the above some changes have been made. Unfortunately we have had to cancel the following GOLD CHISEL TRIBUTE SHOW BINGO POOL DARTS SATURDAY/SUNDAY DANCES MORNING MELODIES ALL RAFFLES Anyone who has purchased tickets to the GOLD CHISEL SHOW is entitled to a full refund.

    Trivia contest cancelled last night, so no chance to further pack the freezer with another meat tray. The very fabric of society, torn apart before the very eyes now denied a Cold Chisel tribute show.

  181. Annie!:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gold_production
    Then the A$ will go muchly bigger. Australia is world second biggest gold producer, with the biggest reserves.
    That is, of course, if the Greens allow us to mine the stuff.

  182. twostix

    2014:

    The boss of Wesfarmers says the free trade agreement signed with China has made investment in agriculture more attractive.

    Managing director Richard Goyder said there were significant opportunities in the years ahead, but he declined to reveal whether the Perth-based company, which owns supermarket chain Coles, was considering buying into the Elders agricultural business.

    “We’d love to be a participating in expanding the opportunity for Australian primary producers if we could find a way,” Mr Goyder told reporters after the company’s annual general meeting in Perth on Thursday.

    Mr Goyder said any agricultural opportunities involving protein, including grain, meat and horticulture, stood to benefit from the recently signed free trade agreement with China.

    But he said there was still an issue with getting produce to markets efficiently.

    “We shouldn’t just assume that because we signed free trade agreements with China or Korea or in the future India, that things will happen,” he said.

    “We have to make them happen to ensure we get a vibrant sector.”

    He said Australia had great clean and green products which would be in high demand in Asia if Australia managed to get them to market.

    He added that there was an opportunity to meet Chinese demand for beef after decades of being ” amazingly efficient”.

    “We’re producing a lot more from fewer farmers so the efficiency that’s coming through production, we need to continue.

    But Australia did not have efficient supply chains and would have to address this issue if Australia was to fulfil its export promises, he said.

    Mr Goyder added that he was “pretty positive” about the outlook for the upcoming Christmas retail trading period, with four out of five Wesfarmers businesses travelling well amid higher house prices and lower fuel prices.

    Export “promises”?

    How much food is Coles and Woolies currently sending to China while our shelves are bare?

    Time for parliament to start asking questions.

  183. egg_

    This kind of man is the problem.

    Senior Management are full of such vainglorious turds and their sycophantic hangers on.

  184. Leigh Lowe

    Mother Lode

    #3365346, posted on March 20, 2020 at 10:45 am

    The CEO is a bit of a slimy toad, frothing himself into a lather on SJW issues

    .

    Mater

    #3365347, posted on March 20, 2020 at 10:45 am

    The ‘corporation’ regularly has nothing.

    The problem neatly summarised.
    Colesworth doesn’t want to introduce geographical limits for fear of being labelled racist.

  185. Anne

    Follow this man 👉 @KillAuDeepState

    Dr Russell McGreger is a Sydney doctor, persecuted by the State, as all Patriot truthers are.

    He posted a thread a few days ago that I’d like to post here.

    It fits completely with my understanding of the Deep State machinations and QAnon disclosure.

    Should I wait for a new forum or do we only get per week these days?

  186. Anne

    Thanks Winston.

    I believe the Greens and other corrupt obstructionists will disappear soon.

    The world is changing.

    You can take that to the bank!

  187. 132andBush

    Boambee John
    #3365217, posted on March 20, 2020 at 8:54 am

    Armadillo

    We are yet to come up with a cure for the common cold, but the upside of this is that Coronavirus might just focus many more minds on prevention.

    Divert 50% of the money currently being wasted on climate change “research” into research into virus based diseases. Kill two birds with one stone!

    Here’s a thought.

    If all those trillions of dollars wasted worldwide, not to mention the obscene diversion of resources, had not occurred chasing the non existent solutions to the non existent problem?

  188. woolfe

    Wonder how long this will last, direct reference on WA web site to Virus source
    https://i.imgur.com/CuFloUu.jpg

  189. mh

    m0nty
    #3365285, posted on March 20, 2020 at 9:59 am
    Currently homeschooling my 5yo and 3yo. Send thoughts & prayers.

    Remember when Republican Steve Scalise was hospitalised following an assassination attempt from a left wing activist?
    Wiki: The hospital reported that after the bullet struck his hip, it traveled across his pelvis – fracturing bones, injuring internal organs, and causing severe bleeding.[31] His condition was initially listed as “critical”. He received multiple blood transfusions and underwent several surgeries to repair internal damage and stop the bleeding.

    Monty said it was “just a graze”.

  190. 132andBush

    m0nty
    #3365285, posted on March 20, 2020 at 9:59 am

    Currently homeschooling my 5yo and 3yo. Send thoughts & prayers.

    For them?

    Done.

  191. Anne

    For Monty.

    Homeschooling tips from the Internet.

    Play Games: Teaches Problem Solving & Handling money.

    Read: Kids LOVE being Read to & Reading to You.

    Cook: Teaches Healthy Habits & Measurements.

    Do Crafts: Stimulates Creativity.

  192. Dr Faustus

    If the plagues of locusts shelf stripping at the moment are actually sending the stuff ‘home’ rather ‘just’ hoarding, what are we NOT being told about the food situation there ?

    It seems pretty obvious that there are a number of significant public interest issues in better understanding the supermarket locust behaviour.

    – If it is simply people stocking up in anticipation of future shortages – locusting is likely to decline, but there is a need to consider rationing as part of any future ‘lockdown’ strategy;

    – If the goods are being hoarded to supply a parallel market in Australia – locusting is likely to continue, and there is a need to consider restrictive policy, the community response to profiteering and to ensure the tax system properly captures any profit;

    – If foods are being exported – locusting will continue, and there is a need to consider both the national security and community response issues.

    Hiding behind political correctness because there are ethnic sensitivities is squibbing, rather than managing an obvious issue of some consequence. Giving the Nation a ‘we are us’ pep talk doesn’t cut it.

  193. Shy Ted

    Too funny not to share. I’m working on the Aussie equivalent song. It’ll be called Toowoomba. Because there are so many possibilities.

  194. Huck

    Just in case there was any doubt remaining that 8th Dan is in fact another sock puppet of the despicable Grigory M/Septimus/Giffy creature:

    8th Dan

    #3363606, posted on March 19, 2020 at 10:41 am

    Huckwit …

    Grigory M

    #2273838, posted on January 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    Huckwit

    Giffy

    #1040652, posted on October 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Sorry, HuckWit.

    Grigory M

    #2312780, posted on March 1, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    Stay calm, Huckwit

  195. Shy Ted

    Too funny not to share. I’m working on the Aussie equivalent song. It’ll be called Toowoomba. Because there are so many possibilities. Always better with a link.

  196. egg_

    UK
    Cases:
    3,269
    Deaths:
    144
    Recovered:
    65

    Deaths close to the 33% gradient.

  197. woolfe

    Anyway i hired a Mercedes B clas and an Audi Q2 whilst overseas, the B class was shit really intruded in your driving, wild braking if you wandered near the other lane without indicating, dashboard controls unfathomable, pressed something and weird eco circle came up, was loathe to fiddle as did not wish to suspend sat nav.

    Audi Q2 great little car, though the sat nav did take us down a lane due to “congestion” which ended in very muddy track. Needles to say did not follow it further but reversed out and was re routed!

  198. egg_

    Huck
    #3365368, posted on March 20, 2020 at 11:04 am

    Not the brightest socks in the drawer.

  199. Winston Smith anything is possible!
    Further examination of Mr Wang (phrasing) reveals that his other half goes by the name of Wendy. I am sure this is just a coincidence but there happens to be a Wendy Wang who is Financial Controller for the Transport Worker’s Union of Victoria.
    Again, if true, expect a promotion from Premier Andrews and a non apology apology from Michael Wang.

  200. 132andBush

    Minibus of locusts seen out front of Griffith Coles this morning. To be confirmed.

    Lots of produce in this area.

    You can find me at the barricades.

    We’re ready

  201. DavidH

    In a shocking development today, an orderly queue of people waiting to buy toilet paper was seen in Coles North Rocks.

  202. Infidel Tiger

    Coles and woolies have contracts to send huge quantites of food to China.

    Any food or supplies leaving the country must be commandeered by the military.

    We are at war with China.

  203. Infidel Tiger

    I agree Calli.

    Archivist mentioned that only ‘in hospital’ deaths were counted by the Chinese.

    My Chinese friend said in early February you could multiply declared Chinese deaths by any factor you liked.

    I believe it.

    Their China Flu stats are almost as laughable as their economic stats. The west has been falling for them for 25 years too.

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty maybe afraid that he’ll slip and blurt out some wrongthink he read on the Cat.

  205. Dr Faustus

    Anyway i hired a Mercedes B clas and an Audi Q2 whilst overseas, the B class was shit really intruded in your driving, wild braking if you wandered near the other lane without indicating…

    Had a similar experience. Thought there was a problem with the steering/braking and ended up stopped on the side of the Autobahn ploughing through the handbook until I worked out that I was the problem according to the car.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    In a shocking development today, an orderly queue of people waiting to buy toilet paper was seen in Coles North Rocks.

    Got lucky at one Coles this morning as the guy put out some mince while I was there. Otherwise the meat section was almost bare at 8:30 am. The IGA had only chicken schnitzels and nothing else, but another Coles had a solid meat section. It made me think of East Germany where there’d be great celebration when something arrived in the shops.

    Total zero on bogroll though.

  207. So it’s now Friday. Seven days after the government was made aware part of the problem of restocking supermarkets was the curfew rules on the drivers etc between the manufacturers and the markets.
    Has the meeting to discuss the issue even been planned yet?
    I’ve heard no mention of the meeting being held.

  208. Mother Lode

    Female business owners can access early stage capital to grow their startups in national and international markets, thanks to a new federal government program called Boosting Female Founders.

    I will assume there is some sort of evaluation process, some way they determine which start ups deserve money and which ones are not deserving.

    We are talking government here. No idea what makes business works, thinking financial well-being comes from money being shuffled about with no eye to value created, and with an unenviable track record of delivering their own projects and managing their own budgets, their devotion to ‘process’, and their history of failing in their own role.

    I will wager every start up that gets funding will fall over in 6 months.

  209. areff

    How difficult is to set fire to a minbus? We may soon learn.

  210. Farmer Gez

    Local towns are out of supplies.
    No toilet paper, tissues, flour, UHT milk and sugar all week and no sign of anymore until after the weekend.
    There’s no need for security if there’s nothing to secure.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    In this unprecedented economic crisis we should be able to access our Superannuation.

    What is the point of retirement funds if your life beforehand is destroyed?

  212. Diogenes

    Who cares about the food situation ”there”?

    Read Dr Faustus’ response !

    I have been thinking along those same lines.

  213. Infidel Tiger

    Very disappointed that supposedly tough rural folk have let the stores be pillaged.

    Chances of American rural folk letting this happen? Less than zero.

    Australia really has changed. No wonder we all need so much bog roll. A nation that sits down to pee.

  214. DavidH

    BoN

    Their wait was rewarded. Shortly after, I saw many smiling-faced people with a 12-pack of 2-ply in their trolley. There was also a reasonable amount of long-grain rice available; pasta shelves mostly empty but spaghetti and various noodle shapes available; plenty of Spam (not on sale so nobody buying, unlike not he weekend where the $1.50 Spam was all gone); a reasonable amount of frozen food available too, though sadly only spiced calamari, which just won’t do for a proper paella.

  215. stackja

    Red China has not accepted the deaths since Mao. West left don’t want to know this. Wuhan virus just the latest. And carbon emissions?

  216. Makka

    In normal flu seasons Italy records very high mortality rates. From winer 13/14 until winer 16/17 Italy recorded 5.2 Million flu cases. 68,000 deaths mostly elderly, higher than most Euro countries. Today, 3400 deaths from covid19. Italy had a shit record of health management long before corona.

  217. egg_

    Donut Man wishes ill upon Mr Potato Head?

  218. stackja

    IT – Many country towns don’t have people now. Raiders are aware of this.

  219. egg_

    If a lot of Eyeties reach 90, it’s not unreasonable that seasonal flu snuffs them out.

    The Krauts don’t reach that age – too much Bratwurst/too anally retentive?

  220. twostix

    Coles via Wesfarmers have promised to sell every spare spec of food we produce to China.

    Now that there’s increased demand at home they can’t and won’t meet it because it risks their lucratic expansion attempts into China.

    We’re being absolutely had.

    Wesfarmers boss himself said Australia produces enough food to supply 75 million people.

    Yet our shelves are bare.

    Guess where it’s all going.

  221. I’m waiting for the unsealed indictments.

    With bated breath.

  222. Infidel Tiger

    IT – Many country towns don’t have people now. Raiders are aware of this.

    No witnesses.

    Shoot the xunts on site and leave the corpses hanging on the Main Street.

  223. twostix

    Parliament must ask the simple question:

    Since last quarter 2019, has Wesfarmers or Woolworths signed any particular deals or contracts with China to deliver an increased amount of food to them this year.

    Let’s hear the answer.

  224. Dr Faustus

    M0nty maybe afraid that he’ll slip and blurt out some wrongthink he read on the Cat.

    Monty as Tom Parsons.

    Age 3 and 5.
    Short bursts cycling through: reading, Lego style assembly, card games, running around shouting.

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