Tuesday Forum: March 17, 2020

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  1. notafan

    Morrison is correct.

    Last I looked 189 of our cases were individuals returning from overseas.

    Maybe he should have said.

    Leave now and never come back

  2. struth

    This fucking spaminator is bullshit.

  3. NoFixedAddress

    Sinclair

    what is wrong???

    c’mon jellybean

    your now part of the cat culture

    if you didn’t exist (?) we would invent you.

    welcome to the kitty klub

  4. EvilElvis

    Is there a breakdown of cases city v regional?

  5. notafan

    More piffle from the Grig troll.

    Give it a rest.

    I formally withdraw the comment about brains.

  6. Rex Mango

    Numbers, you watch 4 Corners on Monday? Ain’t war hell.

  7. NoFixedAddress

    Sinclair

    what is wrong???

    c’mon jellybean

    your now part of the cat culture

    welcome to catallaxy

  8. DrBeauGan

    It’s not socialism to want to keep the doors of every business open or least viable during a black swan event created by government.

    Extraordinary times keep for extraordinary measures.

    This is no time for purity tests.

    No, but calling for free stuff is a call for more government. I’m with you when you want a redistribution of power to the people, involving piano wire where necessary, but redistribution of wealth is the opposite.

  9. notafan

    I think the health department website has comprehensive info about locations EE.

  10. stackja

    As many Australians who want to leave, should just go. Where? Most borders are closed. Let them go. Me I am staying at home.

  11. Sinclair why is the spaminator rejecting posts from the peasants when they use the Xi word?

    Xi is a fink.
    Xi is a fink.
    Xi is a fink.

  12. dover_beach

    Highlights•In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.•More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.•

    Struth, they are estimating excess deaths, and its estimate is of 68,000 deaths over four years, not each year. Now, if you’re happy to look at estimates, how about the Imperial College’s estimates which says that 250,000 deaths would occur in the UK if a mitigation strategy was pursued , and 1.1/1.2M in the US. The CDC upper estimate for flu deaths each year in the US is 61K. They estimate that severe social distancing will get it down to about 20,000 deaths. This paper indicates that deaths from influenza over a year a below 1K and under 4K severe cases needing intensive care.

  13. Some History

    Tailgunner
    #3361818, posted on March 18, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Test

    I’m ready. Go.

  14. notafan

    Struth after demanding apology about old people is back to claiming corona will only affect “people with one foot in grave”.

    Yes that 21 year old in Spain with undiagnosed leukaemia was in that category.

    So is my under 60 freshly diagnosed with cancer relative.

    Why waste time on chemo, right?

    You are a jerk

  15. Mater

    You get that chance routinely at elections.
    And in this country rocking up to vote is compulsory.
    And you’re one of the idiots (along with many others who post here) who wants to introduce voluntary voting.

    Just answer how making voting non-compulsory is going to deny anyone’s ability to vote. You’ve never been able to convincingly make the case.
    Spurious bullshit at best.

  16. struth

    Roger your figures are corrupted by other factors.
    As I say ……simpletons and stastistics.
    Take Italy China out of the figures for a start.
    No one knows how many are infected and anyone telling you they do should be ignored totally.
    Therefore you do not know the fatality percentage.
    No one does.
    It’s too early with too many national and geographical variables.

  17. areff

    Morrison’s call to stop “hoarding” is a product of the same mindset that says we should ruin the economy with renewables in order to set a green example to the rest of the world.

    So, Mr Morrison, I visit my local Coles yesterday and see the meat cabinet, all 20+ metres of it, stripped bare except for a small pile of small hams. The canned tomatoes, tuna, salmon are all gone, likewise the cat food with the exception of three last boxes of Whiskas sachets. So what am I to do, Mr Morrison? Buy one and gamble there will be more tomorrow? Of course not. I bought all of them.

    On the way to the checkout, frozen vegie section is bare, no pizzas, pasta or long life milk

    When you cut the petrol excise to set an example of doing without, then I’ll only buy one box of cat food.

  18. candy

    More piffle from the Grig troll.
    Give it a rest.
    I formally withdraw the comment about brains.

    I am afraid notafan that you are a bully. You are a bit frightening actually.

  19. dover_beach

    N.B. The last two sentences are about the UK.

  20. Magic Bronson

    “Morrison is correct.
    Last I looked 189 of our cases were individuals returning from overseas.
    Maybe he should have said. Leave now and never come back”

    Yes but he’s only correct because it was our summer and their winter. The infected people weren’t coming back from South Africa, New Zealand and Patagonia. So I agree with this ban. But maybe only for another month. This virus seems to be very temperature dependent.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    You get that chance routinely at elections.
    And in this country rocking up to vote is compulsory.
    And you’re one of the idiots (along with many others who post here) who wants to introduce voluntary voting.
    Just answer how making voting non-compulsory is going to deny anyone’s ability to vote. You’ve never been able to convincingly make the case.
    Spurious bullshit at best.

    Corporal Gibberish reporting for duty!
    Locked and loaded, suh!

  22. stackja

    Disraeli on statistics?

  23. Turnip

    Govts make decisions all the time about the $ cost of a life.

    If there are 2 deaths per year on a road, and a set of lights would cost $x then it will be done. If it costs $6x then it may not be. If it is children they may do it….if it is oldies then maybe not. These decisions are amde every day.

    When the dust settles will they ever do the calculation about the cost of each life saved from Covid 19?

    As someone who spent another sleepless night after realising that his immediate and long term financial situation was dire and that there were NO good options, will they count up the suicides that inevitable financial ruin will lead to and that to the total?

  24. Old School Conservative

    But presently it’s advice, not a ban.

    I wonder if that advice was issued in order to help travel insurance policy holders?
    I’m assuming that policies have a clause allowing insurance companies to deny claims made by travellers who voluntarily back out of pre-arranged travel. If however the Govt advice is to not travel, the claims have to be paid.
    The advice gives insurance companies no room to manoeuver.

  25. Turnip

    Govts make decisions all the time about the $ cost of a life.

    If there are 2 deaths per year on a road, and a set of lights would cost $x then it will be done. If it costs $6x then it may not be. If it is children they may do it….if it is oldies then maybe not. These decisions are amde every day.

    When the dust settles will they ever do the calculation about the cost of each life saved from Covid 19?

    As someone who spent another sleepless night after realising that his immediate and long term financial situation was dire and that there were NO good options, will they count up the suicides that inevitable financial ruin will lead to and that to the total?

  26. 8th Dan

    I’ve realised that at 72

    Have no fear … dementia will get you first.
    You said a few days ago the you are in your 80s.

  27. Infidel Tiger

    No, but calling for free stuff is a call for more government. I’m with you when you want a redistribution of power to the people, involving piano wire where necessary, but redistribution of wealth is the opposite.

    This is a great time for state owned (taxpayer owned) entities to give us some return.

    Free power. Free water. Free transport

    People are happy to accept “free healthcare”. Let’s give them something that will help there 98% of people who will not get sick but may lose their jobs, homes and businesses thanks to the Chinese.

  28. No Fixed Address:

    How many people have died in the world because resources are focused on climate change and not real issues?

    It’s a very good question.
    But people don’t understand it.
    I asked a similar question multiple times during my working life.
    Very, very few understood that you cannot have both products if you only have enough money for one. The overwhelming response was “Print more money.” or “The government should pass a law.”

  29. struth

    Struth after demanding apology about old people is back to claiming corona will only affect “people with one foot in grave”.Yes that 21 year old in Spain with undiagnosed leukaemia was in that category.So is my under 60 freshly diagnosed with cancer relative.Why waste time on chemo, right?You are a jerk

    The first time I had enough of you nota and decided to call you out was when you did what you do here…….put words in people’s mouths and exaggerate on what they said when you can’t win against what they actually said.
    Remember me telling you that you read what you want to believe and not what was there.
    You’re doing it again.
    The act of a true piece of shit and an act usually associated with the left.

  30. NoFixedAddress

    struth

    I play songs whilst on internet and just listening Gene Pitney, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

    Do you do any Gene Pitney

    Saw him live in Melbourne several lifetimes ago

  31. Tom

    Fox News projecting Biden will beat Sanders 61% to less than 20% in the Florida primary. He’s also expected to win convincingly in Illinois and Arizona. It’s all over for the commo loser.

    Anyone for an epidemic to bring voters — even Demorats — back to reality?

  32. Magic Bronson

    “Free power. Free water. Free transport.”

    You may be taking some good ideas and pushing them too far. Where is the price rationing? How about free water when its fully available like now. Super-cheap off-peak electricity. This sort of thing. No interest loans for small business damaged by the crisis. This sort of thing.

  33. Mater

    Hey Bob,
    If we don’t have conscription, does that mean people can’t join the Army?

  34. Arky

    I normally love Struth to bits and find Notafan as abrasive as 40 grit bog roll.
    But she’s right and your wrong.

  35. Arky

    Onions for breakfast!
    Again!!!?

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    Brains

    We all have them.

    Don’t tell the leftist zombies. I like my brain.

  37. Cardimona

    My Beautiful Bride is a Kindy teacher at an upmarket childcare centre.
    They’re closed from tomorrow.

  38. Last I looked 189 of our cases were individuals returning from overseas.

    And the most common source of infection was the US.

  39. stackja

    Gough cut tariffs. Red China started exporting cheap goods. What could possibly go wrong?

  40. struth

    No I don’t do gene pitney.
    However that is one of those songs that gets stuck in my head for days.
    And you’ve just put it there again.

  41. lotocoti

    I’m guessing there’s not a lot of date roll hoarding out at Windorah.

  42. Arky

    And the most common source of infection was the US.

    ..
    No, you gimpoid.
    The entire infection has come from China.

  43. struth

    I

    normally love Struth to bits and find Notafan as abrasive as 40 grit bog roll.But she’s right and your wrong.

    Well, that settles it then……………….

  44. Roger

    Fox News projecting Biden will beat Sanders 61% to less than 20% in the Florida primary. He’s also expected to win convincingly in Illinois and Arizona. It’s all over for the commo loser.

    Have you seen Joe’s policies?

    He’s a commo loser too now.

    In that, Bernie & his bros win.

    On the upside, it’s hard to see the Democrats coming back from this debacle any time soon.

  45. Arky

    Stop being a cock.
    You are making me agree with people I find disagreeable.
    Straighten yourself out for pete’ssake.

  46. struth

    I’m working on a Jose Feliciano version of California Dreaming at the moment with several loop tracks.
    Great version.

  47. Porter

    That seems odd doesn’t it Cardi? Is that because of parents panicking or the childcare centre panicking? I didn’t realise their was a closure order for child care.

  48. Arky

    You are making me agree with people I find disagreeable.

    ..
    Next thing you’ll be having me tongueing number’s Fonda and feeling up his floppy old man’s boobies.

  49. Magic Bronson

    Bernie really is fiscally incontinent. At a time like this he’s calling for more funding for the arts. Jimmy Carter has just weighed in telling everyone that at the age of 80 he wouldn’t have been physically able to do the job. He reckons both the current contenders are too old. Team Biden had to impose a string of rules in order for Joe’s dementia not to surface this time. No audience. Both old people sitting. Very limited time window. This is who the DNC cheated for to be the lead contender?

  50. notafan

    Local GP clinic has banned entry to anyone with a sore throat what would they know right?

  51. NoFixedAddress

    struth
    #3361954, posted on March 18, 2020 at 11:28 am

    No I don’t do gene pitney.
    However that is one of those songs that gets stuck in my head for days.
    And you’ve just put it there again.

    lol

    but 24 hours from tulsa?

  52. Porter

    There was. I think I’m going to turn off autocorrect and stick to my usual bad typing. I was due to go into the office this afternoon and was just emailed that there will be no face to face gatherings for at least a month. I dislike meetings so I’m not unhappy.

  53. Tom

    And the most common source of infection was the US.

    So Monty, as well as being the Antipodean parrot for the leftard American ruling class, the Australian Liars and the Filth, you’re now a propaganda parrot Down Under for the Chinese Communist Party (as if we needed any more). Is the money better than the Soros crumbs?

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coronavirus Crisis: Premier Mark McGowan to discuss WA border closure after explosive letter from doctors
    Peter Law and David BakerThe West Australian
    Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:27AM

    An explosive letter sent by whistle-blowing doctors about the spread of COVID-19 has forced the State government to consider measures to close WA’s borders.

    Premier Mark McGowan, said he would discuss shutting WA‘s borders on Tuesday afternoon with the National Cabinet and Australia’s Chief Medical Officer, but stressed “we are not at that point”.

    Mr McGowan, who said he had not read the letter signed by WA’s top doctors, said: “People still need to go east for medical appointments … or support family members who might be ill, those sorts of matters.

    “Obviously these are national decisions to be made by the National Cabinet, clearly I’ll raise that issue there but we are not at that point.”

    The consideration comes after a sensational letter, sent exclusively to The West Live this morning, highlighted how rationing is already in place in WA hospitals, and that the State’s facilities were ‘extremely limited’ when it came to testing infrastructure and supplies.

    Any one of the bush lawyers on the Cat help out? Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

  55. struth

    Stop being a cock.You are making me agree with people I find disagreeable.Straighten yourself out for pete’ssake.

    At the moment on this particular subject I am proud to be in Nota and your badbooks.

    And I will add this.
    You can feel it in the air.
    I’m not going to be coming out of this socialist amplified panic with egg on my face.
    People are already starting to wake up.
    Trumps going to win biggly because of this although it will take a while.

  56. dover_beach

    Just in case you missed it Struth:

    Highlights•In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.•More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.•

    They are estimating excess deaths, and its estimate is of 68,000 deaths over four years, not each year. Now, if you’re happy to look at estimates, how about the Imperial College’s estimates which says that 250,000 deaths would occur in the UK if a mitigation strategy was pursued, and 1.1/1.2M in the US. The CDC upper estimate for flu deaths each year in the US is 61K. They estimate that severe social distancing will get it down to about 20,000 deaths in the UK. This paper indicates that deaths in the UK from influenza over a year are below 1K and under 4K severe cases need intensive care.

  57. Tom, are you still unemployed? Poor thing, the gig economy must suck.

  58. Gab:
    Megan put it beautifully this morning:

    I would have thought after 9/11, SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Fever et al that the government’s of this country at all levels would have prepared a coordinated disaster response plan that they could have hard out if the federal/state filing cabinet or data warehouse. Right folks, here’s step 1, if need be we will implement step 2 in three days time, etc and so forth.
    Instead, they busied themselves declaring climate emergencies, buying fleets of electric vehicles and cornering the market in purple lidded recycling bins. Thanks for nothing, you vile snitwhistles.

    Someone else said there was supposed to be a civil defence organisation headed by a Brigadier level person. I vaguely remember something from army days, but it’s probably been disbanded to free up funds for combating racism aboard our nuclear subs and aircraft carriers.

  59. Johno

    55,000 people in Britain have tested positive to Whu Flu. 71 have died. that is 0.3%.

  60. EvilElvis

    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    We’ve been advocating to shut the borders to the eastern states for years. Didn’t need a virus.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    An explosive letter sent by whistle-blowing doctors 

    Whistleblowing doctors, eh?
    That is suitably vague.
    Be interesting to know who they are.

  62. EvilElvis

    They also hold strong climate policy views, are euthanasia enthusiasts and are pro refugee, LL?

  63. Leigh Lowe

    55,000 people in Britain have tested positive to Whu Flu. 71 have died. that is 0.3%.

    To be fair, you probably need to time-phase the deaths and tests.
    Their might be a positive test from yesterday who will die but, yes, the morta-morta numbers seem low.

  64. Turtle

    Corona virus will affect the Anywheres much worse than the Somewheres

  65. Old School Conservative

    a lot of people who have disqualified themselves from mocking preppers.

    I see the word prepper and this is automatically what I think.
    Brilliant movie.

  66. struth

    Local GP clinic has banned entry to anyone with a sore throat what would they know right?

    They did that here last year because of the flu.
    Which really is my point.
    Nota being female or Arky being a self confessed pessimist , seem to want to ignore thae fact thousands more people died of the flu in Italy last year than in other European countries.
    That viruses regular kill millions.
    Notas worse because she wants people to believe that I believe we shouldn’t bother treating cancer patients because of it.
    Dispicable women.
    And the fucking thing goes to church and tries to own catholicism and virtue ……..
    Pathetic.
    You’re right candy she is a bully.
    Some of us won’t back down and sister notafan will have none of it and start whipping you with her Rosary beads.

  67. Roger

    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    Is the Fuel, Energy and Power Resources Act 1974 (WA) still on your books? If so it gives your state government emergency powers that could probably be brought into play, although it would undoubtedly be challenged in the High Court. But I doubt McGowan would act unilaterally; he’d seek Morrison’s approval because the federal executive has been granted emergency powers by the HCA.

  68. Bruce of Newcastle

    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    If McGowan rings up the White House the receptionist will tell him how to build a wall.
    It only needs to be 2,500 km long and 20 m high.
    Add some chicken wire to keep out rabbits and conservatives and he’s home and hosed.

  69. lotocoti

    Alright.
    Who’s trolling twitter under the @PDarbyshire handle?
    Can we get some good journos on to this? @[email protected]@vanbadham

  70. Infidel Tiger

    We have to stop quoting stats about this Chinese Virus. The data we have is terrible and largely irrelevant. Just focus on the main thing – China did this and they are achieving exactly why they did this.

    My son asked me this morning on the way to school why “America had so many people with the virus”. Obviously his head having been filled with swill by school. He then got a 5 minute lecture on he evils of the Chinese regime. He left the car saying how much he hated China.

    Parenting masterclass.

  71. 8th Dan

    Tom, are you still unemployed? Poor thing, the gig economy must suck.

    ROFL.
    m0nty wins the internets today.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    They also hold strong climate policy views, are euthanasia enthusiasts and are pro refugee, LL?

    At the risk of stealing C.L.’s catch-phrase, there might be “growing calls” for a shut-down from 3 lefty doctors.

  73. lotocoti

    I hope you reminded him that killing Chinese is what the Chinese do best.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Coronavirus Crisis: Premier Mark McGowan to discuss WA border closure after explosive letter from doctors

    This is pure grandstanding and is illegal.

    We have only 31 people in state of 2.5mn who have tested positive.

    We may indeed be the safest place on earth. Not being filled to the gunnels with Chinese Students has saved us so far.

  75. struth

    The states according to the constitution cannot discriminate against those who live in any other part of the commonwealth….it could be section 51 from memory but I’ll have a look.
    Any law made by states that contradict the constitution is over ridden by the constitution.

  76. DrBeauGan

    I liked snitwhistle.

  77. dover_beach

    55,000 people in Britain have tested positive to Whu Flu.

    No, they haven’t. Confirmed cases in UK are 1950.

  78. Andreas

    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    The states closed their borders during the Spanish Flu so it wouldn’t be without precedent.

  79. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #3362001, posted on March 18, 2020 at 11:53 am

    Red China Ministry of Truth now running Western MSM.

  80. stackja

    WA didn’t join the Commonwealth till late. Then tried secession.

  81. stackja

    Andreas
    #3362012, posted on March 18, 2020 at 11:59 am
    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    The states closed their borders during the Spanish Flu so it wouldn’t be without precedent.

    No Canberra then.

  82. struth

    The labor premier of WA knows he can’t do it and you’d last five seconds without the constant stream of road trains supplying your state with all manner of shit.
    He is purposely adding to the panic.

  83. Are you alive or dead????

    Yeah, I’m still alive!?
    Just checked my Gravatar had changed.
    😁

  84. Old School Conservative

    Circumstances influence decisions.
    The Scots College, a GPS school in leafy Bellevue Hill, stopped assemblies, staff meetings, band practice and chapel in order to minimise contact-driven virus infection.
    Then they won the prestigious Head of The River yesterday. First time since 1979.
    So they held an open air assembly to celebrate.
    Given the vast number of differing public announcements made on a hourly basis, it’s hard to say if that was a good or a bad idea.

  85. Fisky

    Haha! Bailouts for Qantas and Virgin announced. I told you corporate shills this was coming. Sadly it’s frew money and taxpayers get NO shares in return. Why aren’t “libertarians” DEMANDING equity??

  86. Porter

    Someone asked the WA question at the presser this morning. Seriously. The first corona death in Australia was in Perth. Do they seriously think they are immune? Idiotarians.

  87. DrBeauGan

    I’ve started hoarding diet tonic water. Also extravirgin olive oil, wagyu steak and champagne.

  88. Roger

    The states according to the constitution cannot discriminate against those who live in any other part of the commonwealth…

    Yes, under ordinary circumstances.

    Emergency powers are precisely that – in a declared emergency they override the rights citizens ordinarily enjoy.

    That an observation, not approval btw.

  89. Lysander

    McGowan can’t close WA’s borders as we rely too heavily on freight arrivals. Similarly, many West Aussies have to go to Melbourne for medical treatment that’s not available here and there are, obviously, going to be relatives across the country who are going to need looking after.

  90. Porter

    The advice is that if you are symptomatic you RING your doctor first, not just rock up. Banning people with a sore throat from rocking up may not be so stupid. A lot of elderly toodle off to docs every couple of weeks for their INR testing and you don’t want COVID-carriers near them.

  91. Old School Conservative

    Coronavirus Crisis: Premier Mark McGowan to discuss WA border closure after explosive letter from doctors

    Good idea Mark.
    More supermarket stock for the Eastern states.
    Fewer trucks and drivers needed for long haul jobs = quicker re-stocking of NSW stores.

    Yeah, go for it, illegal and all. (sarc off)

  92. OldOzzie

    MECHANICAL DIESEL ENGINE TUNING GUIDE

    GOT A MECHANICAL DIESEL THAT’S FEELING A BIT SLUGGISH? WE’VE SPOKEN TO THE EXPERTS AND LISTED THE TOP TIPS FOR GETTING MORE GRUNT AND GO FROM YOUR OLD RIG.

    The injector pump

    Believe it or not, injector pumps are essentially a consumable item. Parts in them wear out, seals get old and perish, their timing is critical to the engine, just to name a few things. First thing’s first, find yourself a solid diesel mechanic. Chances are, the bloke you’re looking for is 85 in the shade, has a shop that looks like the roof is about to cave in, and the floor hasn’t seen paint since before asbestos was invented. Take it in to him (or her), let them have a listen to it, and do some testing to see how your pump is holding up.

  93. struth

    There are much better versions of that than the studio version NFA.

  94. Fisky

    In a sharp escalation of tensions between the two superpowers, China announced on Tuesday that it would expel American journalists working for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.

    I actually support the CCP on this. It’s a good move that ensures continuing downgrading of relations between the US and China. Decoupling now! Decoupling tomorrow! Decoupling forever!

  95. NoFixedAddress

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3361998, posted on March 18, 2020 at 11:51 am

    Does the Australian Constitution allow McGowan to close the West Aussie border?

    If McGowan rings up the White House the receptionist will tell him how to build a wall.
    It only needs to be 2,500 km long and 20 m high.
    Add some chicken wire to keep out rabbits and conservatives and he’s home and hosed.

    BoN

    We used to have technology once.

    I told the bastards back in the 80’s that we put javelin type multi directional launchers every 10k up the west coast of Australia with continuation of private overlapping over flights to check the sea.

    Nah

  96. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Voluntary voting is not a denial of the right to vote.

    Only an obnoxious hysterical dishonest syphilitic ol’ cretin would claim it was.

  97. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Voluntary voting is not a denial of the right to vote.

    Only a repulsive hysterical dishonest syphilitic ol’ cretin would claim it was.

  98. EvilElvis

    The labor premier of WA knows he can’t do it and you’d last five seconds without the constant stream of road trains supplying your state with all manner of shit.

    We’ll be fine, struth. Roping and pillaging of eastern states, boomer nomads mad Max style will keep us going for awhile! Hahaha, yeeeeehaaaaa!

  99. Cassie of Sydney

    “DrBeauGan
    #3362009, posted on March 18, 2020 at 11:58 am
    I liked snitwhistle.”

    Yes…me too.

  100. Bruce of Newcastle

    Poor thing, the gig economy must suck.

    M0nty and Dan are fortunate not to live in California.

    Joe Biden Throws Support Behind Disastrous California Gig Economy Law (11 Mar)

    Joe Biden, the former vice president who last night basically cemented his front-runner status for the Democratic presidential nomination, has thrown his support behind Assembly Bill 5 (A.B. 5), the disastrous gig economy law in California that has even drawn the ire of many progressives.

    The AB5 gig economy law so loved by the Left in California is so bad that even CNN thinks it is terrible.

  101. DrBeauGan

    McGowan can’t close WA’s borders as we rely too heavily on freight arrivals.

    That’s a minor problem of logistics. You change the freight carrier at the border.

  102. Tom

    Monty, the recession in the media business wasn’t caused by the internet. It was caused by clueless idiots like you being allowed use journalism to crusade for political causes that have nothing to do with the public interest – causing public trust in journalism to nosedive and the circulation of formerly great newspapers like The Age, the Sydney Morning Herald and the Financial Review to collapse.

    Journalism ethics were designed to protect journalists from their own worst instincts. But many newsrooms — the former Fairfax newspapers, the ABC, the Guardian website, etc – now ignore their ethical responsibilities because they don’t give a fuck about what gets normal people up in the morning.

  103. OldOzzie

    DrBeauGan
    #3362023, posted on March 18, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    I’ve started hoarding diet tonic water. Also extravirgin olive oil, wagyu steak and champagne.

    200litre Chest Freezer purchased Cooma on weekend for Isolation Bolt Hole and half full with Wagu Steak –
    Diet Tonic no problems Jindabyne Woolworths – when I finally go back to Ski House will test online wine deliveries

  104. Heard Island is looking attractive at this time of year.
    Very low infection rate.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    Haha! Bailouts for Qantas and Virgin announced. I told you corporate shills this was coming. Sadly it’s frew money and taxpayers get NO shares in return. Why aren’t “libertarians” DEMANDING equity??

    Absolutely crazy.

    These strategic assets should be SOEs.

    Privatizing profits, socialising losses.

    Boy the Chairman’s Lounge pays for itself a 1000 times over!

  106. Farmer Gez

    The supermarket supply problems highlight the logistical failure of the ‘just in time’ supply system.
    They drove stock holding back up the supply chain so supermarkets didn’t need to have many large storage facilities.

    Now they can’t find enough transport to move the stock to stores. Good for profit but not a robust system.

    Farmers told the government that supermarkets were forcing chilled storage for food back onto them without recompense and nobody listened.

    Supermarkets are glorified shelf stackers and not ‘food people’ as they claim.

  107. Johno

    OK, latest figures Coronavirus in UK. 71 dead, 2000 have tested positive. However , “experts” have said as many as 55,000 may have it. How can anyone believe anything from the media? I made the mistake of listening to the TV news and believing it.

  108. Tel

    DrBeauGan #3362023:

    I’ve started hoarding diet tonic water. Also extravirgin olive oil, wagyu steak and champagne.

    Just like the war years … you can pretend to be Churchill!

  109. Dr Faustus

    55,000 people in Britain have tested positive to Whu Flu. 71 have died. that is 0.3%.

    So far there have been 71 deaths from 1950 confirmed cases.
    However your point is probably valid given the epidemiology says there is likely to be 50,000-odd undetected infections in the population – always assuming there isn’t an undiscovered supply of dead oldies mouldering in lonely, chilly bedsits.

  110. Yeah Tom, sounds like long-term unemployment is affecting you pretty bad. #pray4tom

  111. Infidel Tiger

    I’ve started hoarding diet tonic water.

    Diet tonic water is disgusting.

    It’s the end of days. Drink the real stuff.

  112. Struth

    Sorry it’s section 117

  113. NoFixedAddress

    Tailgunner
    #3362017, posted on March 18, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    Are you alive or dead????

    Yeah, I’m still alive!?
    Just checked my Gravatar had changed.

    just chekin

    good grav

    my daughter is down your way.

    hope you meet

  114. Tel

    Haha! Bailouts for Qantas and Virgin announced. I told you corporate shills this was coming. Sadly it’s frew money and taxpayers get NO shares in return. Why aren’t “libertarians” DEMANDING equity??

    WTF?!? Government bailouts have now become libertarians fault?

    Let’s make it simple for everyone … you write a list of ALL the things that we are NOT supposed to blame libertarians for, and here’s some space to write that: [ _ _ _ ]

  115. Scientists say:

    “Do you have any toilet paper?”

  116. Caveman

    Breaking News..AFL have cancelled 2020 season..

    In a bold move AFL have decided to draw the premiership winner from hat. It was very close.

    ****Congratulations Carlton 2020 Premiership Winners *****

  117. OldOzzie

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/scientists-glimpse-sign-of-covid19-weakening/news-story/aab63dae1ff6ee9a0cbad053d9943965

    Amanda Hodge
    Southeast Asia correspondent

    A team of Singapore-based scientists has uncovered the first glimmer of hope that the COVID-19 virus could be mutating into a less virulent strain after discovering key protein suspected to affect the virus’s transmission and severity has disappeared in some patients.

    In an academic paper, still under peer review but provided to The Australian, the Duke National University of Singapore team reported the protein “deletion” discovered in eight Singapore ­patients between February 9 and March 2 was consistent with those found at the tail end of the 2003 SARS outbreak, and could signal a weakening of the disease.

    Duke NUS team leader Wang Linfa, an Australian virologist who sequenced and named Australia’s bat-borne Hendra horse virus, said the discovery was significant because “it’s important for the world to know that, just like SARS and MERS, (COVID-19) can change”.

    Among the first hallmarks of the novel coronavirus identified early by World Health Organisation scientists was that it was ­genetically more stable than its ­severe acute respiratory syndrome and Middle East respiratory syndrome predecessors.

    Professor Wang told The Australian that the Singapore discovery “shows the virus can make major changes and we are only two months in”.

    “Our first confirmed case in Singapore was January 22 and by February 9 we were already seeing a major genetic change.

    “From now on, we can use this genetic marker to really furrow and answer the question people want to know — whether this new strain of virus is less transmissible or less severe, or both.

    “We know the virus can survive without ORF8 but it may not be able to cause disease as easily.”

    Scientists studying COVID-19 had already detected an early mutation of it into two distinct L and S strains as a result of changes to the ORF8 protein (Open Reading Frame).

    Viruses are made up of proteins that serve different functions, and the specific function of the COVID-19’s ORF8 protein is not fully known.

    In the eight Singapore patients, that whole protein disappeared, strengthening the hypotheses that ORF8 plays a significant role in the virus’s adaptation.

    A study last year by German scientists who grew the SARS virus with and without the ORF8 in test tubes, found that without the ORF8 protein, the virus was less fit and grew more slowly.

    Just 500 viruses from COVID-19 patients have been ­sequenced by scientists across the world, a fraction of the more than 150,000 people who have been infected with the disease since the outbreak began late last year in central China’s Hubei province, and the ORF8 deletion has so far been detected only in Singapore.

    Professor Wang said he expected scientists studying the novel coronavirus would now be “zooming into the ORF8 region” in all ­future sequencing.

    He also warned, however, that his team’s findings must still be proved through cell and animal studies, and any definitive conclusion on whether it could signal the weakening of the virus was still several months away.

  118. MatrixTransform

    Good for profit but not a robust system.

    I reckon the biggest delusion we are all forced to accept as real, is the delusion that all our ‘systems’ are robust. Truth is there is nowhere near enough elasticity in most of what we do.

    Everything is JIT
    Everything is low margin.
    An Uber-gig is sold as self employment and you buy yr own car just like you buy your own job

    How many small business are carrying debt and struggling every time BAS comes a round?

    nothing in this system can stand a shock big or small.

    now is when elastic goes plastic.

    ie breaks or deforms.

    virus didn’t do that

  119. Roger

    Bailouts for Qantas and Virgin announced.

    Steady on; looks like it’s not a direct cash injection but the government is waiving various fees and fuel excise charges and backdating it. The govt will forego an estimated $715 million in revenue from those charges.

    A pity they didn’t/won’t do that for other sectors that are hurting.

  120. Helen

    I am now the proud owner of 216 rolls of toilet paper, only 2 ply, sadly.

    My 14 bathrooms will be replenished.

  121. Tel

    55,000 people in Britain have tested positive to Whu Flu. 71 have died. that is 0.3%.

    No that is broken statistics … the people who are sick and not fully recovered do NOT COUNT as safe yet.

    You only count the people who have recovered, vs the people who didn’t make it. The people who just got mild symptoms a week ago could quite easily have severe symptoms by next week, or sometimes the week after … that’s how this little guy operates.

  122. DrBeauGan

    Diet tonic water is disgusting.

    Fact Check: True. But the quinine may help with the virus.

  123. Lilliana

    Not being filled to the gunnels with Chinese Students has saved us so far.

    You are fortunate then. Spare a thought for those of us in the east. It’s like a locust plague. In fact when I say recent photos of the locust plague in Saudi Arabia my first thoughts were of the similarity between the chinese and the locusts – travel en masse, take everything and move on.

    Big Australia – how could anyone NOT see that would end in us being invaded.
    I hope all those who supported this f… stupid policy are happy living in their chicken coops in the sky.
    What really amazes me is the flogs who come up with all those concept drawing of ‘green’ futuristic cities full of and happy people in public spaces full of trees etc. Pack of delusional tossers. Look at any Asian city full of high rise dog boxes and see our future.

  124. DrBeauGan

    It’s the end of days. Drink the real stuff.

    That’s why I’m hoarding champagne.

  125. Struth

    Take it from a diesel mechanic.
    Do the simple, cheap things first, like change a fuel filter or two.
    Blow out or change your Air cleaner…..etc.

  126. OldOzzie

    UTE OR WAGON?

    Have utes evolved enough to seriously challenge wagons as tow vehicles?

    Ten years ago this wouldn’t even have been an article, it’d have been a one word answer – wagon. Utes at the time were slow, lacked comfort features, had poor safety, were underpowered, uncomfortable and poor off-roaders. All they offered was greater bulk carrying capacity and payload, but many towers didn’t need that capability, so wagons were the clear choice.

    Today the picture is quite different, and utes are outselling wagons because the capability gap has closed. Or has it, from the perspective of a tower, not an off-roader or a tradie? Time for some analysis.

  127. Leigh Lowe

    My son asked me this morning on the way to school why “America had so many people with the virus”. Obviously his head having been filled with swill by school. He then got a 5 minute lecture on he evils of the Chinese regime. He left the car saying how much he hated China.

    Parenting masterclass.

    He will come home with a “we need to talk” note tonight.
    One of the grave fears held by teacher unions about school closures and two weeks confined to quarters is that some parents will start having a look at the shit being taught in schools and have a yuuuge WTF moment.

  128. Roger

    Big Australia – how could anyone NOT see that would end in us being invaded.

    Mass Immigation + Multikulti = Colonisation.

  129. OldOzzie

    DrBeauGan
    #3362064, posted on March 18, 2020 at 12:25 pm
    It’s the end of days. Drink the real stuff.

    That’s why I’m hoarding champagne.

    look at Serrat

    Our Burgundies

    We have been bringing Burgundies into Australia since 1992, always trying to discover small traditional winemakers barely making enough wine to export… a bit like us now. We only recommand wines that we are happy to put in our own cellar and drink ourselves.

    We started with just a few bottles, essentially for our own consumption, then word got out and we started to buy more for our demanding friends. In 2010, we decided that we may be able to share some of our discoveries with the Serrat supporters.

  130. Tel

    Steady on; looks like it’s not a direct cash injection but the government is waiving various fees and fuel excise charges and backdating it. The govt will forego an estimated $715 million in revenue from those charges.

    If you believe that fuel excise goes to the roads, then airlines should never have been paying it in the first place. I believe they are charged for use of the airports, and that airport runs as a private business.

    If you believe in a general sales tax for government revenue, like GST, then it should apply equally to everyone, airlines and regular motorists alike.

  131. Bruce of Newcastle

    Diet tonic water is disgusting.
    It’s the end of days.

    Not so fast Infi.
    Quinine is an antimalarial like chloroquine, the chunky answer to the bug.
    Drink up!

  132. Roger

    If you believe that fuel excise goes to the roads, then airlines should never have been paying it in the first place.

    Big government has never come across a product or service it didn’t want to tax.

  133. Roger

    Not so fast Infi.
    Quinine is an antimalarial like chloroquine, the chunky answer to the bug.
    Drink up!

    You’d have to drink a lot of the modern stuff to ward of malaria.

    The gin might help take the edge off the chills though.

  134. OldOzzie

    SHOULD YOU BUY A FACTORY-MODIFIED 4X4 UTE OR BUILD ONE YOURSELF

    NOT SO LONG AGO YOU HAD TO MODIFY A 4X4 UTE FOR OFF-ROAD USE YOURSELF, BUT NOW CARMAKERS DO IT FOR YOU. OR DO THEY? WE TAKE A LOOK AT FOUR OF THE FACTORY-MODIFIED 4X4 UTES AND FIND OUT WHETHER THEY OFFER VALUE FOR MONEY.

    Carmakers have been eyeing off the aftermarket modification market for some time, and a few have now released their own versions of vehicles with factory-bolted-on off-road modifications. Indeed, there are now four/five vehicles in this segment. And they are the Nissan Navara N-Trek Warrior, the Ford Ranger Raptor, Toyota Hilux Rugged X, Holden Colorado ZR1 with the Extreme Pack, and the HSV Colorado Sportscat S and SV. Yes, Holden has just died, but you can still buy Colorados so we’re including them in this roundup.

  135. areff

    Just like the war years … you can pretend to be Churchill!

    Or WC Fields, who is said to have responded to the Pearl Harbour attack by purchasing a liquor store and all its stock

  136. Dr Faustus

    The death toll from the coronavirus in Iran has risen to 988 with more than 16,000 people infected.

    So, 6% apparent mortality – off quite a large sample.
    There must be some transferrable knowledge in that – even if of the ‘what not to do’ kind.

  137. Farmer Gez

    I’ve been drinking tonic water for years BoN even without gin in summer when I need to be zero alcohol when driving trucks. Love the stuff.
    I’m not sure it helps with all virus symptoms but I seldom get lung infection from the flu when other people are coughing to nearly fainting.

  138. NoFixedAddress

    Helen
    #3362060, posted on March 18, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    I am now the proud owner of 216 rolls of toilet paper, only 2 ply, sadly.

    My 14 bathrooms will be replenished.

    lol

  139. dover_beach

    So far there have been 71 deaths from 1950 confirmed cases.
    However your point is probably valid given the epidemiology says there is likely to be 50,000-odd undetected infections in the population

    If the estimate is 55000 cases today, you want to use the number of deaths in at least two or three weeks time. And even that will give you only the lower limit of the actual cfr.

  140. Fisky

    Steady on; looks like it’s not a direct cash injection but the government is waiving various fees and fuel excise charges and backdating it.

    Oh great! Is the government going to cancel my Council rates? Licence fees? Fuel excise? Do normal people get a bailout too??

  141. Top Ender

    I think that Taki has nailed it.

    Taki would be an interesting person to meet.

    I can’t recall him ever mentioning being in Australia.

    And now being over 80 maybe not.

  142. DrBeauGan

    look at Serrat

    Our Burgundies

    Sounds right for the wagyu beef steak I am hoarding, oldozzie.

  143. OldOzzie

    Flattening curve while not obliterating our economy

    The Australian Editorial

    The national strategy to deal with the evolving coronavirus pandemic has been “flattening the curve” of infection. That’s why the government closed our borders, is limiting public gatherings and imposing social isolation, and is urging people to wash their hands. By spreading out the period of contagion, reducing the number of ill people at any one time, we reduce the pressure on health systems, especially on intensive care units. Of course, there’s a trade-off: social distancing measures are hitting the economy like a sledgehammer.

    By flattening the curve, economics editor Adam Creighton explained on Tuesday, the economic pain is drawn out. “Businesses that could survive two months of shutdown might not be able to survive four,” he wrote. Scott Morrison now says the government’s $17.6bn stimulus is only a start. The package is trying to keep businesses afloat through payments and wage subsidies, providing tax breaks for investment, and putting cash into the hands of those most likely to spend. Accelerated depreciation rates and instant asset write-offs, we argued last week, appear like the ad hoc things you do to prod companies into expansion when the economy is going sideways.

    We are facing a deep recession, with some experts fearing an economic depression, which is a 10 per cent contraction in gross domestic product. Financial markets are responding to what’s happening in society and the real economy, purging their riskiest assets, repricing even safe bets. The Reserve Bank is about to fire its final shot on interest rates, then it’s off to the debt shop and printery. There isn’t much our central bank can do on the demand side; its main game now is supervision, financial stability and liquidity, which all build confidence.

    The Prime Minister and his brains trust are working on stimulus 2.0. The initial package, yet to be legislated, is not quite dead on arrival. But it’s becoming clear one of its vaunted design virtues — scalability — will immediately be tested. So, too, will existing delivery systems. How will they perform when IT platforms are inundated and public servants, meant to oversee the handouts ATM, are crook or looking after kids stuck at home? The public sector is playing its role. Those hardy automatic stabilisers — higher welfare payments, lower tax collections — will kick in. The fiscal footprint is about to spread. The states are stepping in with rescue packages. NSW is providing payroll tax and licence fee relief, and increasing construction spending. Queensland will defer taxes on business and provide interest-free loans.

    The greatest challenge will be to keep people in jobs. Qantas, for instance, is cutting international flights by 90 per cent. It’s a big company, yet will struggle to hold its workers without assistance. But entire sectors have no buffer when customers disappear; wages, rent and loans are due. Casuals and gig-economy workers will feel the pinch. Banks are providing leeway on credit and energy companies will keep the power on; as we know, they are not charitable institutions. It’s clear the cashflow assistance from Canberra’s first fiscal hit will require more booster shots. One novel measure that could help sole traders and small businesses is a loan facility based on the Higher Education Contribution Scheme.

    Finance Minister Mathias Cormann warns that businesses will close and people will lose jobs. During the early 1990s recession — which was policy-induced — it took 12 months for the jobless rate to jump from 6.6 per cent to 9.5 per cent. The unemployment rate peaked at 11.1 per cent a year later and it wasn’t until late 1999 that it recovered to 6.5 per cent. The welfare safety net exists for such calamities. It might need to be modified, temporarily, until this epidemiological and economic bolt from the blue has run its course.

    Keeping small businesses viable must be a top-order issue. So, too, is making sure skills don’t wither and workers are ready for the eventual recovery. What at first required a targeted, sector-by-sector, fiscal rescue effort is morphing into an emergency maxi-budget. The highest economic priority for government should be to help businesses keep people employed — while continuing to lean forcefully on the COVID-19 infection rate until the medical pressures subside.

  144. Roger

    Oh great! Is the government going to cancel my Council rates? Licence fees? Fuel excise? Do normal people get a bailout too??

    Preach it, brother!

  145. notafan

    Pharmaceutical science aquaintance if mine has suggested cheap ALDI vodka in a spray bottle can work as a hand sanitizer.

    Hand washing is still better.

  146. Dr Faustus:

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she understood people were stressed by the spread of coronavirus and that a reprieve was days away.

    And here you have the stupidity on roller skates that is our bureaucracy.
    She couldn’t just make an announcement that the shops could open at whatever hours they wanted, could she? Just tell the authorities the rules governing opening/wukkas/drivers hours are temporarily suspended and no one is to do anything about it.
    But nooo. They have to have a fucking meeting.

  147. Helen

    So, 6% apparent mortality – off quite a large sample.

    Iran has very high steroid use which makes it easier for Kung Flu to kill.

  148. Mark A

    At least there is still plenty of bread on the shelves in the UK

  149. Bruce of Newcastle

    Faustus – I wouldn’t touch an Iranian statistic with a chloroquine impregnated bogroll.
    You are dividing two numbers invented by the regime that have no relationship with reality.

  150. Farmer Gez

    That’s a minor problem of logistics. You change the freight carrier at the border.

    Sorry DrBG but that would be a big problem. You’d have to get prime movers to meet each other exactly at the right time or the chillers have no power and there’s still contact between the changeover drivers because of hand contact on the surfaces of the trailers.
    Not practical at all.

  151. Top Ender

    Saw Gene Pitney years back, in the late 70s.

    Also people like Petula Clark, Matt Munro, Shirley Bassey etc. Might have been categorised as B class entertainers at the time, but sure had a lot of talent.

    My second job was being a croupier at Wrest Point Casino, then promoting itself as the home of high class gambling, and enviable good times etc. All smoke and mirrors of course. Its main purpose in life was taking pensioner dollars as fast as it could.

    Somehow I managed to wangle Friday and Saturday nights off, and did a few moonlight sessions on the followspot at Wrest Point’s entertainment centre. Even with one ear covered by a headset you could still hear the talent those people had.

  152. At least there is still plenty of bread on the shelves in the UK

    Nice looking rolls and buns.

  153. Nelson Kidd-Players

    DIY hand sanitiser (should you have the ingredients to hand), and all-round common sense:

  154. Infidel Tiger

    Not so fast Infi.
    Quinine is an antimalarial like chloroquine, the chunky answer to the bug.
    Drink up!

    Tonic water is beautiful.

    Diet tonic water is foul.

  155. Anne

    give us the cliff notes plz

    Here you go.

    Adrenochrome C9H9NO3 is the Elites drug of choice. It is produced from the adrenalised blood of terrorised and tortured children. It should not be confused with Google’s graphics package “Adreno” or its Search Engine “Chrome”.

    Pedogate refers to the Elites’ penchant for raping, torturing & sacrificing children. There is a network of rat lines that facilitate the organ harvesting markets and child trafficking worldwide.

    Michelle Obama is a man.

  156. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pharmaceutical science aquaintance if mine has suggested cheap ALDI vodka in a spray bottle can work as a hand sanitizer.

    CDC recommends 60% ethanol. Vodka is a bit low. You could always drink it instead though.

  157. Old School Conservative

    Hoarding wagyu beef takes immense self-discipline.
    Or so I’ve been told.

  158. Fisky

    Never forget that this is a CHINESE virus unleashed on the world because of CHINESE negligence. They covered up and lied about this until late January pretending nothing was wrong. The CHINESE CHINA Virus is what this is. Never forget!

  159. Roger

    Pharmaceutical science aquaintance if mine has suggested cheap ALDI vodka in a spray bottle can work as a hand sanitizer.

    Not strong enough.

    Use isopropyl alcohol.

  160. DrBeauGan

    Sorry DrBG but that would be a big problem. You’d have to get prime movers to meet each other exactly at the right time or the chillers have no power
    Not practical at all.

    The one in WA gets there early and powers up when the furriner arrives.

    and there’s still contact between the changeover drivers because of hand contact on the surfaces of the trailers.

    They wear gloves.

  161. Delta A

    At least there is still plenty of bread on the shelves in the UK

    What’s interesting about shelf loads of bread, for goodness sake?

    🙂

  162. Infidel Tiger

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @AOC
    · 7h
    96% of airline profits over the last decade went to buying up their own stocks to juice the price – not raising wages or other investments.

    If there is so much as a DIME of corporate bailout money in the next relief package, it should include a reinstated ban on stock buybacks.

    100% correct.

  163. Leigh Lowe

    Dr Faustus

    #3362068, posted on March 18, 2020 at 12:26 pm

    European Union closes borders to most foreign travellers to curb coronavirus pandemic

    ScoMo?

    Are they trying to keep KungFlu in or out?
    Of course, that great article of faith in the EU (total freedom of movement within the Union) can’t be touched.

  164. egg_

    As someone who spent another sleepless night after realising that his immediate and long term financial situation was dire and that there were NO good options, will they count up the suicides that inevitable financial ruin will lead to and that to the total?

    Male suicides don’t seem to count for much.

  165. The Xi CHINESE CHINA Virus is what this is.

    *that’s ampersand hash 88 semicolon

  166. Doc Faustus:

    And here you have the stupidity on roller skates that is our bureaucracy.
    She couldn’t just make an announcement that the shops could open at whatever hours they wanted, could she? Just tell the authorities the rules governing opening/wukkas/drivers hours are temporarily suspended and no one is to do anything about it.
    But nooo. They have to have a fucking meeting.

    Hit the post button too soon – rant not yet over….
    The reason they have to have a meeting?
    Because she doesn’t want the responsibility if questions are asked in Parliament.
    The other reason is if we could compare and contrast life without draconian laws and regulations, we might just get an idea of the public servant weight we are carrying on our backs – and we might just not like it.

  167. notafan

    Weak sauce Struth resorting to anti Catholic abuse I see.

    True colours from someone who once spent a day arguing he was a Catholic.

    Not to mention my (or anybody else’s Catholicism) is irrelevant to the current discussion.

    Still head and shoulders above the Dropkick religion too.

  168. DrBeauGan

    Hoarding wagyu beef takes immense self-discipline.
    Or so I’ve been told.

    I haven’t been hoarding it very long. I’m on my 800 calorie fast today, but it’s pigout day tomorrow. I’ll let you know how it goes.

  169. notafan

    Have been out hunter gathering for a thermometer for the cancer patient.

    Sold out sold out sold out online so called the private hospital pharmacy. One left and held for me.

  170. egg_

    How many people have died in the world because resources are focused on climate change and not real issues?

    They used to use the metric of “hospital beds” – e.g. Sydney Olympic Games cost “N hospital beds”.
    TFM was applying same recently.

  171. Is the Viktoristani government using religious and political prisoners for corona experiments yet?

  172. Fisky

    If there is so much as a DIME of corporate bailout money in the next relief package, it should include a reinstated ban on stock buybacks.

    “Libertarians” will be silent on a no-strings bailout but furious if the government demands equity in return.

  173. Dr Faustus

    If the estimate is 55000 cases today, you want to use the number of deaths in at least two or three weeks time. And even that will give you only the lower limit of the actual cfr.

    The point (at least as I took it) is that looking at mortality based on deaths/confirmed cases overestimates the apparent lethality of the virus given the presence of undetected infections in the population (always assuming there is no corresponding undetected deaths).

    This point holds if the maturity profile of the detected cases is the same as the estimated undetected cases.

  174. OldOzzie

    The CDC was Fighting Racism and Obesity Instead of Stopping Epidemics

    The CDC should be driven by science, not social justice.

    Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

    The Centers for Disease Control has a $6.6 billion budget and one job which it messes up every time.

    The last time the CDC had a serious workout was six years ago during the Ebola crisis. Back then CDC guidelines allowed medical personnel infected with Ebola to avoid a quarantine and interact with Americans until they showed undeniable symptoms of the disease. There were no protocols in place for treating the potentially infected resulting in the further spread of the disease inside the United States.

    At the height of the crisis, confidence in the CDC fell to 37%. Meanwhile, CDC personnel had managed to mishandle Ebola virus samples, accidentally sending samples of the live virus to CDC labs. And the heads of the health bureaucracy blamed the lack of funding for their failure to have an Ebola vaccine.

    The self-quarantine measures adopted in response to the coronavirus outbreak are partially a response to the lessons of the Ebola disaster.

    But during the Ebola crisis, Democrats tried to shift responsibility from the Obama administration by blaming Republicans for cutting the CDC’s budget from $6.5 billion to $5.9 billion. Sound familiar? Where do those billions for the CDC actually go? Among other things, pushing gun control. The terrible budget deal from December allocated $25 million to the CDC and NIH to study gun violence.

    During the Ebola crisis, the CDC had been spending a mere $2.6 million on gun violence studies. But the CDC has a history of wasting money on everything from a $106 million visitor’s center with Japanese gardens, a $200K gym, a transgender beauty pageant, not to mention promoting bike paths.

    The occasional outbreak only calls the CDC’s general incompetence to everyone’s attention. The rest of the time its incompetence, like that of other government agencies, just ticks along wasting money.

  175. OldOzzie

    The CDC was Fighting Racism and Obesity Instead of Stopping Epidemics

    The CDC should be driven by science, not social justice.

    Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Isl*mic terrorism.

    The Centers for Disease Control has a $6.6 billion budget and one job which it messes up every time.

    The last time the CDC had a serious workout was six years ago during the Ebola crisis. Back then CDC guidelines allowed medical personnel infected with Ebola to avoid a quarantine and interact with Americans until they showed undeniable symptoms of the disease. There were no protocols in place for treating the potentially infected resulting in the further spread of the disease inside the United States.

    At the height of the crisis, confidence in the CDC fell to 37%. Meanwhile, CDC personnel had managed to mishandle Ebola virus samples, accidentally sending samples of the live virus to CDC labs. And the heads of the health bureaucracy blamed the lack of funding for their failure to have an Ebola vaccine.

    The self-quarantine measures adopted in response to the coronavirus outbreak are partially a response to the lessons of the Ebola disaster.

    But during the Ebola crisis, Democrats tried to shift responsibility from the Obama administration by blaming Republicans for cutting the CDC’s budget from $6.5 billion to $5.9 billion. Sound familiar? Where do those billions for the CDC actually go? Among other things, pushing gun control. The terrible budget deal from December allocated $25 million to the CDC and NIH to study gun violence.

    During the Ebola crisis, the CDC had been spending a mere $2.6 million on gun violence studies. But the CDC has a history of wasting money on everything from a $106 million visitor’s center with Japanese gardens, a $200K gym, a transgender beauty pageant, not to mention promoting bike paths.

    The occasional outbreak only calls the CDC’s general incompetence to everyone’s attention. The rest of the time its incompetence, like that of other government agencies, just ticks along wasting money.

  176. Bruce of Newcastle

    What’s interesting about shelf loads of bread, for goodness sake?

    The buns were quite prominent?

  177. Magic Bronson:

    “Sorry – inward bound travel still allowed.”
    Sort of defeats the purpose. What is the point of the exercise?

    Aldi bags, Magic. Lots of Aldi bags.
    Chockers full of renminbi for the fifth columnists.

  178. Magic Bronson

    No strings bailouts are immoral. Strings ought to include cutting executive salaries to $200 000 per year. Else all these people are going to become welfare queens like the bankers. To the extent that they are not already.

  179. Tom

    Put it in your favourites: John Solomon and Sharyl Attkisson are the star reporters at Justthenews.com.

  180. Cardimona

    False alarm on the childcare centre closing entirely.
    They’re closing some rooms due to reduced attendance.

  181. Nelson Kidd-Players

    IR, it’s interesting that the ampersand thingy remains intact in the HTML source code. Wonder if it also bypasses the the ability for search engines to pick up the raw text? One of the Doomlord’s goals with the spamminator is to prevent the text being found by searches, even if we can read it visually.

  182. I wonder what the third phase of the PRC attack will be?

    Sabotage of our few remaining power stations?

  183. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Of course, a search engine could be programmed to resolve that for searches. May have to check later, once it’s scooped up.

  184. Mother Lode

    Winston Smith:

    I confess I have hoarded beer.
    To the extent of hauling the old beer fridge out of the garage and filled it up.
    But it won’t stay filled for some reason or other.
    Am I a bad person?

    Alcoholic beverages are different.

    The instinct to have enough of that is akin to gasping for breath and can in no way be considered morally irresponsible.

    I personally used to get a lot of my grog from Longreach – I went through all the wines I wanted in Bracy in a couple of months. Blackall doesn’t seem to have much by way of grog shops at all.

  185. OldOzzie

    China Expels US Journalists and the Reason Why American Media Have Been Parroting Chinese Propaganda Becomes Really Obvious

    On March 2, the Trump administration, which we all know is famously hostile to a free press made faces at the Wall Street Journal reporters retaliated against China by expelling about 60 ChiCom agents.

    The Trump administration on Monday limited to 100 the number of Chinese citizens who may work in the United States for five state-controlled Chinese news organizations. The decision is expected to escalate tensions between Washington and Beijing in a diplomatic feud that has caught journalists in the crossfire.

    The restriction announced on Monday applies only to Chinese citizens working at five news organizations that the State Department deemed propaganda outlets controlled by the government in Beijing. It requires the five organizations — Xinhua, CGTN, China Radio, China Daily and People’s Daily — to limit the number of Chinese employees in the United States to 100, collectively. More than half — 59 — have been allocated to Xinhua, China’s official news agency.

    Currently, about 160 Chinese citizens work in the United States for those news outlets, meaning that 60 must either leave by the time the new policy takes effect on March 13 or ensure they have a visa that will allow them to stay.

    The 13th, of course, was last Friday.

    Today, the Chinese government clapped back.

    I’m trying to wrap my head around the idea of requiring the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and Time to register as agents of the US government. Three of those outlets have been nothing short of vitriolic in their opposition to President Trump and his administration. If they are, in fact, agents of the US government, we need to, as the kids say, ‘do better’ when it comes to hiring agents in the future.

    A lot of us on the right have noticed the relentless water-carrying by our media of ChiCom talking points and engaging in the whole silly “Chinese” and “Wuhan” designations of the foreign Chinese Wuhan Kung-Flu virus being racist.

    “The Chinese Virus” https://t.co/Sm8wotuz6h

    — Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) March 16, 2020

    Part of it is undoubtedly because these kinds of juvenile attacks are just how they roll. It is not unrealistic to speculate that the attacks on Trump over Wuhan virus response during the past weeks have had at least as much to do with those outlets trying to show their Chinese influencers that they were, just like the Chinese government, hostile to the Trump administration in hopes of currying favor with the ChiComs so they could keep their reporters in China. If that wasn’t their overt intention then one has to ask how they would have acted differently if it were their intention.

  186. OldOzzie

    China Expels US Journalists and the Reason Why American Media Have Been Parroting Chinese Propaganda Becomes Really Obvious

    On March 2, the Trump administration, which we all know is famously hostile to a free press made faces at the Wall Street Journal reporters retaliated against China by expelling about 60 ChiCom agents.

    The Trump administration on Monday limited to 100 the number of Chinese citizens who may work in the United States for five state-controlled Chinese news organizations. The decision is expected to escalate tensions between Washington and Beijing in a diplomatic feud that has caught journalists in the crossfire.

    The restriction announced on Monday applies only to Chinese citizens working at five news organizations that the State Department deemed propaganda outlets controlled by the government in Beijing. It requires the five organizations — Xinhua, CGTN, China Radio, China Daily and People’s Daily — to limit the number of Chinese employees in the United States to 100, collectively. More than half — 59 — have been allocated to Xinhua, China’s official news agency.

    Currently, about 160 Chinese citizens work in the United States for those news outlets, meaning that 60 must either leave by the time the new policy takes effect on March 13 or ensure they have a visa that will allow them to stay.

    The 13th, of course, was last Friday.

    Today, the Chinese government clapped back.

    I’m trying to wrap my head around the idea of requiring the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and Time to register as agents of the US government. Three of those outlets have been nothing short of vitriolic in their opposition to President Trump and his administration. If they are, in fact, agents of the US government, we need to, as the kids say, ‘do better’ when it comes to hiring agents in the future.

    A lot of us on the right have noticed the relentless water-carrying by our media of ChiCom talking points and engaging in the whole silly “Chinese” and “Wuhan” designations of the foreign Chinese Wuhan Kung-Flu virus being racist.

    “The Chinese Virus”

    — Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) March 16, 2020

    Part of it is undoubtedly because these kinds of juvenile attacks are just how they roll. It is not unrealistic to speculate that the attacks on Trump over Wuhan virus response during the past weeks have had at least as much to do with those outlets trying to show their Chinese influencers that they were, just like the Chinese government, hostile to the Trump administration in hopes of currying favor with the ChiComs so they could keep their reporters in China. If that wasn’t their overt intention then one has to ask how they would have acted differently if it were their intention.

  187. Fisky

    If Hong Kong is part of the US media ban, the US must officially stop recognising HK as a separate economic jurisdiction. It is now part of the PRC in almost every essential and must be treated as such. Time to choke the PRC of foreign cash!

    Melissa Chan
    @melissakchan
    ·
    9h
    China appears to be kicking out ALL American reporters for NYTimes, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post. Including those in Hong Kong (no longer two systems eh?) HT
    @kemc
    and to quote
    @niubi
    : “holy shit” http://bit.ly/3b50Ape

  188. Infidel Tiger

    False alarm on the childcare centre closing entirely.
    They’re closing some rooms due to reduced attendance.

    You fell for a stupid and malicious hoax designed to cause economic chaos. Monty did too, so that’s the company you were keeping

    Don’t you have a contact in the government?

    Please do better.

    Start by asking your contact why mass immigration is till being allowed.

  189. Struth

    Weak sauce Struth resorting to anti Catholic abuse I see.

    Not anti catholic, anti you, but again when you are losing you just misdirect and lie.

    True colours from someone who once spent a day arguing he was a Catholic.

    I’m a baptised, and confirmed catholic.
    I don’t go to church.
    It’s filled with hypocritical arseholes like you.

    Not to mention my (or anybody else’s Catholicism) is irrelevant to the current discussion.

    Not when you virtue signal you godly, holier than now church going goodliness and then come on here and act like a little bitch.
    It’s then fair game.

    Still head and shoulders above the Dropkick religion too.

    Who said it wasn’t.
    Fuck you got some hang ups woman.

  190. Fisky

    Well well well, lookee here! The LOSER leftist male incels at Wikipedia are trying to airbrush history, in order to give the Chi-Coms a hand with their denialist propaganda. Well done f*ckwits. (No, this isn’t going to help you get laid, nothing can help that!!)

    Spanish flu
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Jump to navigationJump to search

    It has been requested that the title of this article be changed to 1918 influenza pandemic. Please see the relevant discussion. The page should not be moved unless the discussion is closed with a summary describing the consensus achieved in support of the move.

  191. notafan

    I see you can make comments like ‘whip with rosary beads’ but I mustn’t respond.

    Like I said true colours.

  192. Huck

    calli
    #3361744, posted on March 18, 2020 at 9:31 am
    ScoMo issues a directive to “stop hoarding”. “It is not who we are as a People”.

    Yes, ScoMo, it is. Successive governments have imported a new and distrustful cohort who think it’s perfectly normal.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    Just had the misfortune of visiting Costco at Docklands.
    With the exception of one couple, every “traditional Aussie” in the place had their trolley full of a variety of items ie: 1 large bag of flour, 1 4 pack of sugar etc.
    These people were clearly outliers, the other 99.4% of shoppers were Asian, subcontinental, Middle eastern or polynesian and without exception their trolleys (often 2, one for the man, one for the woman) were full to the gunwhales with multiple packs of the essentials.
    Given the size of the packages at Costco (the flour comes in a 12.5 kg bag for instance) this was pure, unadulterated greed and selfishness.
    Nobody, and I mean nobody needs 8 12.5kg bags of flour.
    Nobody needs 20+ 2 kilo bags of pasta.
    If ScoMo thinks his words will have any effect, he’s wrong. For them to have any effect in the first instance, those who are most at fault would need to actually understand English.
    Unfortunately, the only people who may actually hear and understand are the ones who are not exhibiting this behaviour in the first place.
    We have imported human garbage and there’s no going back.
    One other thing, if you think Asians and Indians are bad drivers, their control of a shopping trolley is far, far worse.

  193. China Expels US Journalists …

    In case they report on their military mobilization.

  194. OldOzzie

    Reporter Asks Trump About His Use of Term ‘Chinese Virus,’ Then Trump Drops the Boom

    It’s really been something watching media and some on the left flip out at referring to the virus as the Wuhan virus or Chinese Virus.

    They’re seemingly so upset about that, yet far less upset that China lied about the virus, let it spread, disappeared whistleblowers, and is now blaming us, suggesting we spread it to them.

    So a reporter asked President Donald Trump, “China and others have criticized you for using the phrase ‘Chinese virus.’ How do you feel about that, are you going to continue using that phrase?”

    Well, China was putting out information, which was false, that our military gave this to them. That was false. And rather than having an argument, I said I have to call it where it came from, it did come from China. So I think it’s a very accurate term. But no, I didn’t appreciate the fact that China was saying that our military gave it to them. Our military did not give it to anybody.

    The journalist then pressed: “Critics say using that phrase creates a stigma.”

    The President rejected the argument: “No, I don’t think so. No, I think saying that our military gave it to them creates a stigma.”

    Ba da boom. Exactly right.

    Would be funny, if it weren’t so telling, that the MSM seems far more concerned about anyone correctly calling it #WuhanCoronovirus or #ChineseVirus than they are about the fact Communist China hid what was happening and allowed virus to spread worldwide.https://t.co/yRcGCgzyKy

    — BonkPolitics (@BonkPolitics) March 17, 2020

  195. Struth

    see you can make comments like ‘whip with rosary beads’ but I mustn’t respond.

    Like I said true colours.

    I never told you not to respond either.

    Seek help.

  196. OldOzzie

    Huck
    #3362150, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:18 pm
    calli
    #3361744, posted on March 18, 2020 at 9:31 am
    ScoMo issues a directive to “stop hoarding”. “It is not who we are as a People”.

    Yes, ScoMo, it is. Successive governments have imported a new and distrustful cohort who think it’s perfectly normal.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    Just had the misfortune of visiting Costco at Docklands.

    With the exception of one couple, every “traditional Aussie” in the place had their trolley full of a variety of items ie: 1 large bag of flour, 1 4 pack of sugar etc.

    These people were clearly outliers, the other 99.4% of shoppers were Asian, subcontinental, Middle eastern or polynesian and without exception their trolleys (often 2, one for the man, one for the woman) were full to the gunwhales with multiple packs of the essentials.

    Given the size of the packages at Costco (the flour comes in a 12.5 kg bag for instance) this was pure, unadulterated greed and selfishness.

    Same experience at Aldi Cooma on Sunday – Chinese with Canberra Number plates and a busload of Chinese raiding the store with packed trolleys

    Local said you normally do not see Chinese in Cooma/

  197. Porter

    Monash university is closing down its Mannix residential college indefinitely because they can’t get food for its residents. So a bunch of kids have to go home and try work with crappy internet in small country towns and farms stripped bare by city panic shoppers who have also stripped all city supplies. Some overseas exchange students leaving as visas will run out during travel ban period. Way to go Victoria you socialist pigs.

  198. Monty:

    And the most common source of infection was the US.

    I rarely read your sermons, but I got halfway through before I realised who it was.
    Monty, you have no credibility. Xi has more than you do.
    …just in case you weren’t aware.
    No thanks required.

  199. Porter

    At Aldi earlier this week the only people with super loaded trollies cleaning out freezers were the fat hijabi ladies and their smelly husbands. (We have some skinny hijabi ladies in the neighbourhood who tend to be more civilised).

  200. OldOzzie

    Spanish Flu Being Renamed Across the Internet to ‘1918 Influenza’ As Leftists Declare it Racist to Refer to Coronavirus as ‘Chinese’

    Politicians, journalists, and even Wikipedia, are scrambling to rename the Spanish Flu as the “1918 Influenza” after whining that President Donald Trump is “racist” for referring to the coronavirus as Chinese.

    During a press conference on Tuesday, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio referred to the Spanish Flu by the new, politically correct, term. He said the coronavirus is “one part the Great Recession, one part the Great Depression, one part the 1918 flu epidemic.”

  201. The Beer Whisperer

    Trump trolling at it’s best.
    He tweets it once.
    MSM go nuts criticising him.
    People who never saw the original tweet now have “Chinese Virus” locked in their heads.

    LOL! But COVID-19 just rolls off the tongue…

  202. Make your Chinese Virus posts while can.
    The spaminator will soon ban Chinese Virus.

  203. OldOzzie

    China’s coronavirus information warfare hydra

    China’s coronavirus messaging isn’t about truth, but rather the advancement of a multiheaded information warfare effort.

    Like the hydra of Greek mythology, Xi Jinping’s monster is designed to destroy all who stand against the Communist Party’s interests.

    Beijing is ultimately responsible for the deceptions that allowed the coronavirus to become a truly global pandemic — one that is smashing lives and economies. Yet much of the global media reporting has been sympathetic to Xi’s regime. As Becket Adams observes, many American journalists are actually presenting China as a kindly big brother and a successful authoritarian container of the virus. This fits pitch perfectly with China’s claim it is offering only hugs and support, not deadly viruses, to all the world’s people.

    The fact that otherwise well-informed commentators have lapped up this lunacy is truly tragic. Foreign policy expert Anne Applebaum, who got Xi wrong from the start, is even presenting China as a positive superpower replacement for America.

    At the same time, the reality of China’s coronavirus culpability has largely been hidden from the minds of people around the world.

    And where China is called out for its lies, the hydra attacks. Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Geng Shuang, for example, responded to President Trump’s invocation of the “Chinese virus” by playing the victim: “We urge the U.S. to stop this despicable practice. We are very angry and strongly oppose it.”

    Geng is perhaps not the best person to be offering this faux defense-of-truth moralism. After all, he has a penchant for threatening American journalists for just doing their jobs. But apparently, that doesn’t matter. The Communist spokesman has found useful idiot support from New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

    t should go without saying that we shouldn’t accept this attack on truth and our interests.

    We need a Herculean effort to decapitate each lie and offer facts in its place. If not, Xi will escape culpability for the suffering he has caused, and our greatest global adversary will be that much stronger for it.

  204. OldOzzie

    China’s coronavirus information warfare hydra

    China’s coronavirus messaging isn’t about truth, but rather the advancement of a multiheaded information warfare effort.

    Like the hydra of Greek mythology, Xi Jinping’s monster is designed to destroy all who stand against the Communist Party’s interests.

    Beijing is ultimately responsible for the deceptions that allowed the coronavirus to become a truly global pandemic — one that is smashing lives and economies. Yet much of the global media reporting has been sympathetic to Xi’s regime. As Becket Adams observes, many American journalists are actually presenting China as a kindly big brother and a successful authoritarian container of the virus. This fits pitch perfectly with China’s claim it is offering only hugs and support, not deadly viruses, to all the world’s people.

    The fact that otherwise well-informed commentators have lapped up this lunacy is truly tragic. Foreign policy expert Anne Applebaum, who got Xi wrong from the start, is even presenting China as a positive superpower replacement for America.

    At the same time, the reality of China’s coronavirus culpability has largely been hidden from the minds of people around the world.

    And where China is called out for its lies, the hydra attacks. Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Geng Shuang, for example, responded to President Trump’s invocation of the “C*nese virus” by playing the victim: “We urge the U.S. to stop this despicable practice. We are very angry and strongly oppose it.”

    Geng is perhaps not the best person to be offering this faux defense-of-truth moralism. After all, he has a penchant for threatening American journalists for just doing their jobs. But apparently, that doesn’t matter. The Communist spokesman has found useful idiot support from New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

    It should go without saying that we shouldn’t accept this attack on truth and our interests.

    We need a Herculean effort to decapitate each lie and offer facts in its place. If not, Xi will escape culpability for the suffering he has caused, and our greatest global adversary will be that much stronger for it.

  205. Tom

    MUST WATCH: after the opening update on Kung Flu casualty figures, at 2mins 30secs
    Tucker Carlson Tonight examines what needs to happen next to reverse American dependence on China and unravels how the USA has been sold out by its own ruling class.

  206. Mother Lode

    I am not normally one to post videos – actually the profusion of them gives me scrollers-knuckle (a very terrible condition) but this I found astonishing.

    An astronaut on the International Space Station put a blob of water atop a speaker (it stays a blob because of weightlessness) and then injected air into the middle of it. He then played different sounds through it to see what happened. He used 60Hz sine, square, and triangle waveform and they led to dimples on the inner air-water interface from standing waves. He tried music as well.

    Then he tried cello.

    https://youtu.be/KJDEsAy9RyM?t=554

  207. Porter

    I normally love Struth to bits and find Notafan as abrasive as 40 grit bog roll.

    I like both Struth and Notafan and it’s depressing to see two fine people squabble on a blog about nothing. Leave that nastiness for JC and Stimpson.

  208. johanna

    JC
    #3361815, posted on March 18, 2020 at 10:12 am

    Artie

    I’ve seen the story, but I’m not buying it because if the standard of med care was really bad their longevity rates wouldn’t be in the top three or so in the world. They’re a bunch of old geazers and a big bunch of them need ventilators at the same time.

    CIA Factbook

    Average life expectancy at birth:

    Monaco 89.3
    Singapore 86.0
    Japan 86.0
    Macau 84.6
    San Marino 83.5
    Canada 83.4
    Iceland 83.3
    Hong Kong 83.2
    Andorra 83.0
    Israel 83.0
    Switzerland 82.8
    Malta 82.8
    Guernsey 82.8
    Australia 82.7
    South Korea 82.6
    Luxembourg 82.6
    Italy 82.5

    But who’s counting? 🙂

    Interesting that the standard of healthcare doesn’t immediately correlate with GDP and longevity, unless HK and Macau and Malta and S. Korea and Iceland, all poorer than we are, have discovered the Fountain of Youth.

  209. Mother Lode

    Sod it. I don’t know how to make video clips appear as panes within the comment.

  210. Lysander

    Who is in charge if a State Parliament shuts down?

  211. Mater

    gunwhales

    Ok, Huck.
    I’ll fess up and admit to using “Gunnels” instead (as did IT – I’m a renowned dobber!)
    Though, to be fair, the dictionary does say: Gunnel: less common spelling of GUNWALE

  212. OldOzzie

    incoherent rambler
    #3362163, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:36 pm
    Make your Chinese Virus posts while can.
    The spaminator will soon ban Chinese Virus.

    It seems to be happening already – I am surprised by number of posts mentioning Chinese Virus and China Coronavirus are not getting posted – disappear into the ether!

  213. Infidel Tiger

    The name of Spanish Flu should be changed.

    All evidence is that it came from China as has every mass pandemic for the last century. A foul and depraved country with rancid practices.

  214. Mitch M.

    This touches on what I have previously referred too: that seeing is the “remembered present”.

    What you’re seeing right now is the past, so your brain is predicting the present

  215. Cardimona

    IT, I inadvertently did the #trustallwomen thing…

    Start by asking your contact why mass immigration is till being allowed.

    I put this to BobKat last night and my other contact this morning.

  216. Boambee John

    Cardimona

    You mentioned immigration to Bob K yesterday.

    Next time you are talking to Barnaby, point out that Treasury pushes immigration to keep real GDP rising, and to avoid a technical recession. However, I have seen comments here that per capita GDP has been falling for some time. The current per capita fall, however, is probably not noticed by most people.

    I suspect that Treasury will still be pushing this line. But a big fall in GDP seems inevitable with COVID 19, and if immigration continues, the fall in per capita GDP is likely to be significant, and clearly noticeable in voter land. This will cause a lot of anger.

    Since a fall seems inevitable, now is the time to cut immigration, to minimise the per capita drop.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    Ok, Huck.
    I’ll fess up and admit to using “Gunnels” instead (as did IT – I’m a renowned dobber!)
    Though, to be fair, the dictionary does say: Gunnel: less common spelling of GUNWALE

    Whoops!

  218. Cardimona

    Boambee John.
    Excellent point.

    (Samsung autoconfuse converts “Boambee” to “Bomber”.)

  219. Dr Faustus

    Faustus – I wouldn’t touch an Iranian statistic with a chloroquine impregnated bogroll.
    You are dividing two numbers invented by the regime that have no relationship with reality.

    Obviously.
    My point was that the apparently huge Iranian mortality rate contains information. Most unlikely that the Iranian authorities would be trying to exaggerate the mortality rate to demonstrate what a shithole their regime is – but there could be a reason there too.

  220. Herodotus

    It’s really been something watching media and some on the left flip out at referring to the virus as the Wuhan virus or Chinese Virus.
    The Fox News presenters like Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham have been having a bit of fun re-running copious clips of lefty MSM types using exactly that terminology. The amnesia set in very quickly!

  221. zyconoclast

    Samsung has proposed a new type of solid-state battery smaller than a lithium-ion battery yet capable of storing more charge, and degrades more slowly than other iterations of this tech.

    The prototype – based on research towards driving “the expansion of electric vehicles (EVs)” – uses a new kind of anode that could potentially offer a longer usable lifespan of more than 1000 full charges.

    Samsung’s development focuses on the latter. It uses a silver-carbon (Ag-C) composite layer as the anode, in place of the typical lithium-metal anodes that are prone to trigger the growth of dendrites “which can produce undesirable side effects that reduce a battery’s lifespan and safety”.

  222. egg_

    Mother Lode
    #3362167, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:39 pm

    IIRC it also works on Earth.

  223. Mother Lode

    Show off, egg.

    Peeps, fast forward to 12:00 for the cello bit.

  224. rickw

    #3361744, posted on March 18, 2020 at 9:31 am
    ScoMo issues a directive to “stop hoarding”. “It is not who we are as a People”.

    “Australian’s” get blamed for so much, hoarding, rising levels of violence, increasing numbers of rapes.

    The thing is, it’s not Australian’s, it the 3rd worlders they imported continuing to do what the did in the third world.

  225. Geriatric Mayfly

    I am now the proud owner of 216 rolls of toilet paper, only 2 ply, sadly.

    You can double the booty by carefully prising the two sheets apart.

  226. Never forget that this is a CHINESE virus unleashed on the world because of CHINESE negligence.

    It makes just as much sense to say that the Americans are responsible because the Wright brothers invented powered flight. No international flights – no international spread.
    Sure it’s stupid, but so is Fisky’s post.

    The Septics were responsible for the Spanish Flu, after all. It originated in Kansas, at an army training camp, and was introduced to Europe by the doughboys.

  227. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yow! I was on the old Ghan between Alice and Adelaide not Darwin to Alice. We got a lift to the Alice and it was then that we went out to Yuendemu, which I mentioned before. Apols. Please understand that my comments here are made on the run, in airports, hotel foyers, in bed late at nite, and always with Hairy asking me for something packed but lost or wanting my attention for something. Thinking back on the hop over so many years, mistakes are made.

    Today we had a good drive down through the Florida Keys, which are low-lying islands joined by a series of bridges, one also showing remnants of an old railway. It reminded me somewhat of the Outer Banks of North Carolina, although more built up and Gold Coastish with ribbon resort development, especially in the area we are now, Key West.

    Our booked accommodation here for post-cruise was easily brought forward, so we reside overnight in one of the classic old wooden frett-worked Southern Mansions from the days of naval operations and a mercantile past battling pirates in the 1820’s, a street of them now turned into ’boutique’ hotels.

  228. Mother Lode

    egg_,

    I was more focused on the droplets bounding around inside the air bubble.

    And the music.

    But yeah, I had noticed that walking water thing before in rain puddles. I assumed it happened just because I was there.

  229. rafiki

    ZK2A at 11.39

    section 92 0f the Constitution is the problem. it provides that ‘Trade commerce and intercourse between the States … shall be absolutely free”. Overruling long established precedent, the High Court has gutted s 92 of significance so far as trade and commerce are concerned, but movement of people might be treated differently. Freedom of movement is a recognised right, both at common law and in international rights instruments, so the HC might not read it down too much (following the basis of the overruling of precedents in Mabo; see per Brennan J).

    The non-discrimination provision in s 51(ii) applies only to taxation laws.

  230. egg_

    Never forget that this is a CHINESE virus unleashed on the world because of CHINESE negligence.

    CHINESE DISEASE

  231. Mother Lode

    The amnesia set in very quickly!

    Nah. Conspiracy of silence.

    CNN, MSNBC etc will assume that none of their viewers will find out because they would have to watch Fox first.

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One thing they did in 1969 on the old Ghan was play Strauss waltzes on the PA system. I particularly liked them as we travelled through a few dune areas with a Lawrence of Arabia feel. Incongruity can be attractive, especially if your eyes are zinging like a bad acid trip.

    I prefer my chloroquine in a G & T these days, that’s if they still use it to bitter up the tonic.

  233. Fisky

    It makes just as much sense to say that the Americans are responsible because the Wright brothers invented powered flight. No international flights – no international spread.

    Oh dear, you seem very angry at the PRC copping flack for the Chinese Wuhan Flu, Numbers! Running interference for the PRC is a very odd position to take for someone who claims to be pro-VN…

  234. egg_

    Mother Lode
    #3362193, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    IIRC Physicists are seriously looking at the phenomenon, including event horizons.

  235. candy

    “Australian’s” get blamed for so much, hoarding, rising levels of violence, increasing numbers of rapes.

    Hoarding is a instinct due to fear, need for self preservation. I think it might be all cultures. Squirreling.
    ScoMo should not blame Australians if they don’t have faith in government though.

    You do have to wonder if things got actually bad, would there be enough medical supplies and medications or would the lines of distribution be just as badly managed.

  236. Mater

    Gee, this moving quick.

    Another Supermarket (a different one from that which I mentioned last night) up this way has now put out a notice that they will only allow customers into their store who show ID (with an address) and who live within strict geographical boundaries.

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