Tuesday Forum: March 17, 2020

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  1. Fisky

    Every single dollar that you lose from being off work, your customers staying home, or from your super balance, is 100% the fault of the CCP. The CCP deliberately tried to hide this virus and arrested medical whistleblowers in Wuhan, in January. That’s not even up for debate.

    What is up for debate is the motivations of Western supporters of the CCP (such as Numbers and JB of Shanghai). Is it…?
    a) ignorance
    b) financial considerations
    c) ideological hatred of their own country

  2. Infidel Tiger

    China. Did. This.

    Never ever forget.

  3. egg_

    How may Cat scoll wheels has NumbNutz worn out?

  4. Graham

    Taki would be an interesting person to meet.
    I can’t recall him ever mentioning being in Australia.

    He wrote a column in the Spectator relatively recently after watching the movie ‘Ladies in Black’ reminiscing about Sydney in the days when he was on the professional tennis circuit. Don’t know if he has been here in recent decades.
    Taki is a great writer.

  5. Top Ender

    Lizzie, how is the US of A progressing emotion-wise re the Bat Flu?

    Australia seems to have caught the panic last Friday in a major way, and it’s still on the rise.

    I predict another week of insanity here before cooler heads prevail.

  6. Oh dear, you seem very angry at the PRC

    Hardly.
    The virus is apolitical.
    I’m not angry – just amazed at the level of paranoia evident on this site.
    It exactly replicates the panic buying at the supermarkets – irrational and selfish.
    Fear is powerful – it destroys reason and *Trumps compassion and common sense every time.

    *Deliberate upper case.

  7. Dr Faustus

    The Septics were responsible for the Spanish Flu, after all. It originated in Kansas, at an army training camp, and was introduced to Europe by the doughboys.

    Or alternatively, in China.

    the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines on World War I’s Western Front—may have been the source of the pandemic.

    The real reality is source unknown.

  8. Farmer Gez

    1735099
    #3362191, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    Never forget that this is a CHINESE virus unleashed on the world because of CHINESE negligence.

    It makes just as much sense to say that the Americans are responsible because the Wright brothers invented powered flight. No international flights – no international spread.
    Sure it’s stupid, but so is Fisky’s post.

    The Septics were responsible for the Spanish Flu, after all. It originated in Kansas, at an army training camp, and was introduced to Europe by the doughboys.

    In Kansas, Dorothy.
    I suppose pig flu originated in Dalby.

  9. Fisky

    Hardly.
    The virus is apolitical.

    Oh ok. Then why did you just blame the US for the SPANISH FLU? Apparently it’s fine to blame some jurisdictions for pandemics, just not Communist ones.

    You apologist morons always get tripped up on the dumb contradictions!

  10. zyconoclast

    From 25 Feb

    A local cleric from the Iranian city of Qom has suggested a novel cure for the new coronavirus – the pre-bedtime rectal administration of violet leaf oil.

    Users on Twitter describe how the [email protected] Tabrizian has publicly denounced Western medicine as “[email protected]”.

    In a post to over 120,000 followers on the social messaging service Telegram, Tabrizian, a purveyor of traditional [email protected] medicine, listed several alternative techniques for fighting the spread of the contagious disease, known as Covid-19.

    According to an Iranian news site, which obtained a screenshot of the message, Tabrizian recommends consuming copious amounts of brown sugar, burning wild rue, as well as inhaling snuff.

    His eighth tip is the most striking: “Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus”

  11. MatrixTransform

    Then why did you just blame the US

    do I have to say it … ?

  12. stackja

    Flight Radar reports:

    QF7 SYD SYDNEY AEDT (UTC +11:00) SCHEDULED 13:40 ACTUAL 14:11 DFW DALLAS

    Last plane out of Sydney?

  13. Mitch M.

    Fisky
    #3362203, posted on March 18, 2020 at 2:05 pm
    Every single dollar that you lose from being off work, your customers staying home, or from your super balance, is 100% the fault of the CCP. The CCP deliberately tried to hide this virus and arrested medical whistleblowers in Wuhan, in January. That’s not even up for debate.

    What is up for debate is the motivations of Western supporters of the CCP (such as Numbers and JB of Shanghai). Is it…?
    a) ignorance
    b) financial considerations
    c) ideological hatred of their own country

    Let me know when the government calls out Cheenese for allowing this to get out of hand and not introduce measures quickly enough. All nations now infected should send them the bill for costs incurred.

    Sometimes I wonder which masters our government are beholden too: the Cheenese oligarchy or the Boardroom oligarchy.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra

    China lied. People died.

  15. Porter

    No the latest theory on Spanish flu – one that has been discussed for years – was that it originated in China https://www.jstor.org/stable/3401475 (just one of many studies discussing this)

    This article seeks to establish whether China, like most other countries, experienced an influenza outbreak in 1918-19 and to gauge its extent and severity. It evaluates the suggestion that the 1918-19 influenza virus originated in China and was carried to France by Chinese migrant workers during World War I. The investigation covers statistical and other materials for Hong Kong and Shanghai, nonstatistical materials for elsewhere in China, and British archival records relating to the recruitment and transportation to France of Chinese workers. Influenza was wide-spread in China in 1918-19, but, although severe in some parts, it was mild in many places compared with elsewhere in the world. The most plausible explanation is that the 1918-19 influenza virus, or a closely related precursor, had originated in China, so that many Chinese had prior exposure and hence some immunity. It is thus conceivable that Chinese workers en route to France would have carried the virus with them, leading to the pandemic.

  16. Fisky

    We need to figure out which specific action of the CCP caused the greatest damage in allowing the virus to spread. Was it…
    a) arresting Wuhan doctors who blew the whistle about the virus on social media back in December/January
    b) claiming that there was nothing unusual going on and leaving Hubei wide open to the rest of the country/world until late January
    c) aggressively lobbying other countries to keep their borders wide open before it was too late
    d) blocking Taiwan’s involvement in the WHO, a disastrous decision given their unparalled success in stopping the virus

    Apolitical pandemic my f*cking foot! lol

  17. Porter

    Country people and students are being disproportionately affected by the panic
    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Morton_/status/1240079474906918912
    I heard that Mannix college is closing as provides 3 meals a day (300 students) and they could not source food. This was because of panic buying in the city. Those same vultures have been stripping regions dry. So our farmer have to contend with all this while their own kids suffer.
    I heard that similar colleges like Newman – that’s Frank Brennan territory – at Melbourne University had ordered 6 weeks worth of food. Catholic charity!

  18. Dr Faustus

    Scott Morrison’s pep talk on hoarding appears to have had an effect.

    A friend reports that this morning New Farm Coles was cleaned out of aspirin/paracetamol and the shelves of dietary supplements emptied.

    It will be Mortein next. Stock up with 20 cans and beat the rush…

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The US is not in panic mode about this in the smaller towns and areas like Florida Keys. Locals on pick up trucks look and act like locals in the US always do: friendly, politely opening doors for women, fairly laid back. I’ve heard it’s different in the big cities altho Miami still just getting on with things. Closures are starting to bite, and people talk more about them than ‘the virus’ which a lot just shrug off about. The traffic out of The Keys, a single file road, was very heavy, much more so than was going in on our side. Apparently some States, Louisiana included, have given local residents 72 hours to get home. Reception at our hotel said a lot packed up and off from this place and others after the ultimatum came in. Don’t know whether that will affect us with my rellies at all. Can’t see why they are doing this or how they could enforce it. The States vs Feds issue is well alive in these times. Will speak to my rellies again tomorrow.

    Qantas are price gouging single return to Syd by up to 5 times their earlier ‘special’ sale prices for the trip on a return ticket, across all categories from economy to premium econ to business.

  20. Oh ok. Then why did you just blame the US for the SPANISH FLU?

    To point out a fact of history is not to “blame”.
    Whereas suggesting that China be nuked (on numerous occasions on this site) is.
    It’s childish.
    You’d be looking for someone to blame for who started a fire before trying to extinguish it.

  21. I posted yesterday about the Age newspaper. I didn’t however go into detail.
    First paragraph from a report on the front page:

    ‘ABC chair Ita Buttrose says mixed messaging from the Morrison Government and state leaders over the dangers of coronavirus is confusing the public.’

    She goes on to say that one or 2 authoritative voices would deliver a more consistent message. I am thinking that Ms Buttrose is thinking that the ABC should be one of those voices. FMD.

  22. Caveman

    China. Did. This.

    Never ever forget

    I won’t

    But I hope it can also get rid of The Influencers.

  23. OldOzzie

    Handbag full of cash that pointed police to the husband of alleged childcare fraudster

    Superb Imports from broken down ME Cultures aiming to import their Cruddy Countries Miseries and Ideas to Australia

  24. Fisky

    To point out a fact of history is not to “blame”.

    Actually, your real motivation was simply to run interference for the CCP (because you’ve been alienated from your own country and its allies since the 60s).

    This virus has been political from DAY ONE. Because of every tangible action taken by the CCP. Anyone who wants to deny that is a CCP apologist.

  25. Mother Lode

    ScoMo should not blame Australians if they don’t have faith in government though.

    Nah, the reason people are hoarding is not because of government. They aren’t waiting for directions.

    It is because they are so easily terrified, lack the patience and wisdom to analyse the situation, and they are scared of what other people might be doing.

    None of this is something we need from the government. And through previous virus du-jour such as SARS, Bird Flu, Swin Flu, and Ranga Flu, there was no hoarding even though the government exercised its clumsy, benighted, desperate powers less than now.

  26. All nations now infected should send them the bill for costs incurred.

    Great idea.
    Indigenous people in Oz could sue for all the deaths caused by epidemics of smallpox, tuberculosis, scarlet fever, influenza and measles, introduced by white settlers.
    In the case of the Palawa, that’s a whole race of people.
    That would be one hell of a class action.

  27. Lysander

    A poll by morgan said 77% of those polled were “extremely concerned” about C19… well inside the margin of error!

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is because they are so easily terrified, lack the patience and wisdom to analyse the situation, and they are scared of what other people might be doing.

    Well said. No survival skills, and driven by sheer panic.

  29. OldOzzie

    James Carafano: China’s anti-US coronavirus propaganda ridiculous — so what’s behind Beijing’s lies?

    For quite some time, China has been trying to undercut the foundation of American global power. Unlike Moscow’s often coarse, brutish efforts, Beijing has been stealthier than an F-35, using public diplomacy initiatives to subtly buy its way into schools, civil society and the private sector.

    Now, however, the mask — and the gloves — are coming off.

    In the last few days, the Chinese Communist Party has changed its propaganda tactics. Party officials, government representatives and state media are now overtly attacking the U.S., spreading deliberate lies about the COVID-19 outbreak.

    This dramatic shift leaves experts pondering: What’s up?

    More specifically: Why are Chinese government officials now publicly denying that the coronavirus started in Hubei province and citing conspiracy web sites that claim the U.S. is responsible for the virus?

    To say that Beijing’s brand has been tarnished would grossly understate the case. So picking on the U.S. could be only a desperate attempt to divert attention away from its manifest failures.

  30. It will be Mortein next. Stock up with 20 cans and beat the rush…

    I checked my ant defences and weapons of mass ant destruction this morning.
    All is well.

  31. mh

    m0nty
    #3361043, posted on March 17, 2020 at 8:15 pm
    Alright, I hesitate to post this, but I have heard a rumour from two separate sources that a full lockdown will be announced by the feds tomorrow. Full Italy style: travel bans, borders shut, education shut, business shut apart from supermarkets and chemists, all non-essential government services shut.

    If true – I can’t tell whether the craziness of this rumour invalidates it in these insane times – tomorrow morning is going to be a rude shock to a lot of people, particularly parents.

    He’s just always so wrong.

  32. twostix

    He’s just always so wrong.

    It was going to happen until he posted that.

    We’ve a lot to thank M0nty for, you know.

  33. Fisky

    BUSTED!

    Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December

    Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

    A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

    The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

    Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

    Caixin

    Continue reading

  34. Fisky

    Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December

    Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

    A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

    The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

    Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

    Caixin

    Continue reading

  35. Infidel Tiger

    WA China Flu cases skyrocket.

    31 to………. 35.

    Thank God we didn’t go down the Chinese student route here.

  36. Mater

    and they are scared of what other people might be doing.

    Yep. Most people I know are not scared of the virus, they are scared of the (already displayed) poor behaviours of other ‘Australians’. If people could be relatively certain that goods would be there when they were needed, shopping patterns would have remained roughly the same. A small number of ‘raiders’ have created a panic. Understandably, no one wants their family to be left without a seat, when the music stops.

  37. OldOzzie

    NSW electric bus plan: experts warn transition could cripple energy grid

    Jake McCallum, State Political Reporter, NewsLocal

    Bus producers, including Volvo and Scania, are calling on the NSW Government to scrap plans to transition the state’s bus network to a completely electric system — instead urging the government to ‘go hybrid hydro’ to reduce the impact on the energy grid.

    Australia’s leading minds in the development of hybrid buses gave evidence in the NSW Government inquiry into the large-scale rollout of electric buses across NSW on Wednesday.

    Volvo Bus Australia vice president David Mead said although he was convinced electric buses will “play a part in the future of NSW transport” self-charge hybrid buses should not be dismissed.

    “Hybrid buses are available today and can be built in NSW with outstanding economic results,” Mr Mead told the inquiry.

    “We see them as a viable alternative that will not require massive infrastructure investment and will deliver a lower carbon footprint.”

    Scania Australia product manager Trevor O’Brien said if the government’s objective was to reduce the carbon footprint, electric buses would not achieve that result.

    “Electric vehicles today will be worse for the environment,” he said. “This is due to the challenges we have with electricity generation through coal.

    “Hybrid vehicles could be a bridging option, they are available here and now, rather than waiting for a long and expensive transition.”

    ARCC engineering director David Evans agreed with claims the completely electric system would not result in zero-carbon transport, while Siemens Bus Electric vehicle promoter Olivia Laskowski said bus companies were unaware of grid constraints.

    Mr Mead said Transport security could become a major issue: “if there is a fault in the electric gird, transport could be limited.

    Inquiry chair, Hawkesbury state Liberal MP Robyn Preston questioned the lifespan of batteries currently used in electric buses.

    However, Mr Mead said the lifespan was “longer than we first predicted”.

    “We thought the lifespan of batteries was five years,” he said. “But hybrid buses in London are lasting eight and nine years.

    “We can tell the vehicle what to do by GPS or the state of charge and with this technology we are seeing buses travelling for 350km before a charge.

    Mr Mead said developers were looking at “fast-charge technology” where bus providers and Transport for NSW could move the charging station from the depot to out into the street.

  38. Dr Faustus

    She goes on to say that one or 2 authoritative voices would deliver a more consistent message. I am thinking that Ms Buttrose is thinking that the ABC should be one of those voices. FMD.

    Pushing ABC house plague doctor, Dr Norman Swan, uphill with a stick.

    Didn’t work that well in the UK. For several weeks the two “authorities voices” were Bozza and the Government Chief Scientist. Worked throughout the Keep Calm and Wash Your Hand phase, but eventually Sir Patrick Vallance went freestyle and authoritatively told the country that he was looking for Herd Immunity, 35 million Covid19 infections, and your granny in a jar on the mantelpiece.

    Every political ‘leader’ wants his/her arse covered by experts and to be seen ‘to be doing something’. None of the fuckers has any interest in a consistent, factual message – particularly one which might end up being wrong, or (worse) bravely controversial.

  39. The plan (Top Secret)

    1. Infect half a million of your peasants
    2. Send them out to reside with and infect your enemies
    3. Activate your 5th columnists to remove food and medical supplies in major cities
    4. Promise to provide food to hungry Australians if they close all US bases
    5. Send carrier fleet into the West Philippines Sea and Spratley Islands

  40. Infidel Tiger

    David Harsanyi
    @davidharsanyi

    Coronavirus Is the Chinese Government’s Curse upon the World

    https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1240076627087933440

    Most evil country in the world bar none.

  41. Infidel Tiger

    Jesse McKinley
    @jessemckinley
    BREAKING:
    @BilldeBlasio

    says that the city now 923 cases of #coronavirus, up from 644 THIS MORNING.

    Also, now 10 deaths in the city.

    Stupid xunt refused to take advice that this was coming from China or follow directives from Trump.

    Now this.

  42. Mother Lode

    His eighth tip is the most striking: “Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus”

    I had always heard that dates were a delicacy in the Middle East.

    I thought they meant the fruit though.

    But given how many of their miracle (in-shallah) cures consist of tender offices to the bunghole…

  43. Diogenes

    We have been told to prepare for a 4 week shutdown. Priority is year 11 & 12, then years 9 & 10 and then 7&8. The boss has asked us to provide booklets to cater for those without computers/ reluable internet.

  44. Diogenes

    Or reluable spill chuckers as well.

  45. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’m not angry – just amazed at the level of paranoia evident on this site.”

    The only paranoid pervert here on this site is you…..racist. And yes…you are angry…you’ve been angry for over fifty years. Your anger drips through every word you write. I know concentration camp survivors who are less bitter and less angry than you.

  46. calli

    I liked snitwhistle.

    Word of the Year

    On all the big buying up – talking to my old Dad at lunch today. Don’t be surprised if a Black Market emerges. And government directed rationing.

  47. mh

    Trump back into $1.90 after briefly blowing out to $2.10

  48. OldOzzie

    Go Woke, Get Sick, Die

    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph

    Remember when the Australian government was condemned as racist for placing Australian citizens returned from China in quarantine on Christmas Island?

    Sensibly, the government ignored those condemnations. But Italy’s government went the woke way:

    The seriously woke left-wing government took the necessary measures to combat the virus ‘negligently late’ — wrote Michele Brambilla, editor of mass daily Quotidiano Nazionale — ‘after wasted weeks branding as razzista or fascio-leghista anyone who urged the elementary measures required by science, i.e. quarantine for anyone arriving in Italy from China’.

    When Nicholas Farrell wrote that piece just a couple of weeks ago, only 79 Italians had died from coronavirus. The number of fatalities in Italy is now more than 2000. Il Foglio’s Mattia Ferraresi reports:

    Italy has now been in lockdown since March 9; it took weeks after the virus first appeared here to realize that severe measures were absolutely necessary.

    The Spectator’s veteran columnist Taki Theodoracopulos reviews matters:

    Those who run our lives were slow to yell fire in case we insulted the Chinese. I’m not saying we should go back to treating them badly, but we should remember that commies always speak with forked tongues.

    China should have been isolated as early as last December, but we were all too busy waiting for Nike sweatshops to deliver their cheaply made goods for our Christmas trees. Now we’re doing the sweating, and half of Italy is shut down.

    And even now, fake news journals such as the New York Times are reluctant to write anything that might give aid and comfort to anti-globalisation forces in case they sound like the Donald.

    Seems about right.

    UPDATE:

    RACISM! XENOPHOBIA! Coronavirus: EU to suspend all non-essential foreign arrivals to halt pandemic spread.

    Oh, wait, it was only racist and xenophobic when Trump did it, back when it was early enough to do some good.

    UPDATE II. The wokest place on earth:

    Finally! Incredible that Trudeau had failed to impose travel bans until now. The US, Australia, Singapore & others began imposing bans in *January*. https://t.co/GO9YfyQ8Oh
    — Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) March 16, 2020

  49. Bruce of Newcastle

    NSW electric bus plan: experts warn transition could cripple energy grid

    Hehe, unreliable blackout-inducing electric plague carriers!

    What a wonderful way to cement the idea of the freedom and convenience of internal combustion engine cars in the minds of the punters. No climate sceptic could ever have invented such a strategy!

  50. Huck:

    We have imported human garbage and there’s no going back.

    It’s good thing you’re not Callie.

  51. calli

    Observation of reality and reporting it is not paranoia.

    Interpreting people’s motives is not paranoia.

    Paranoia is irrational.

  52. Porter

    We have been told to prepare for a 4 week shutdown.

    Catholic school? Public school? Which state? I must confess I am supremely disappointed by the Catholic and independent faith schools wilting panic merchanting on this issue. Just goes to show that “faith” is barely skin deep.

  53. calli

    What have I done now, Winston? 🙂

  54. Geriatric Mayfly

    I prefer my chloroquine in a G & T these days, that’s if they still use it to bitter up the tonic.

    Allegedly, a remediation for night cramps too. Removing the offending leg seems a better option at times.

  55. Bruce of Newcastle

    Indigenous people in Oz could sue for all the deaths caused by epidemics of smallpox, tuberculosis, scarlet fever, influenza and measles

    Numbers – That would be pointless. The Indonesians would never pay up.

  56. notafan

    Struth

    When exactly do I virtue signal

    Oh that’s right

    You just make stuff up.

    I have zero recollection of me telling anecdotes about what a fine Christian person I am

    Now tell us more about coronavirus only affects people with one foot in the grave and the flu is worse.

    #struthpreachingtothechoir

  57. Porter

    I’m not angry – just amazed at the level of paranoia evident on this site.

    But here you are day after day, straining to drop your little turds on this site, Numbers, like the angry, constipated faux-Catholic that you are. You’re Catallaxy’s shit-eating rimmer and poo blogger. Humourless, joyless, sour, Toowoomba class excrement.

  58. calli

    Just goes to show that “faith” is barely skin deep.

    I disagree. They have a pastoral responsibility for their “flock”. And they are expressly told not to put God to the test.

    I asked my minister this morning how I can be praying for him, given his great responsibilities. He asked for “prudence”, a word that has been floating around in my head and heart for at least a month.

    Christians know that such notions are not accidents, but prompting. I don’t expect anyone who has not experienced it to understand.

  59. OldOzzie

    Reality Interrupts Fantasy

    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph

    Zali Steggall has put her plans for world salvation on hold because something real is happening:

    Independent MP for Warringah Zali Steggall has announced she will delay the introduction of her private members climate change bill to parliament, saying leaders need to be focused on coronavirus “preparation and response” measures.

    The #COVID19 emergency shows the impact of global events on every country and the importance of acting on the science. Bill delayed but long term plan and commitment to a safer future more important than ever. #auspol #climateactnow https://t.co/sLXyN6AEne
    — 🌏 Zali Steggall MP (@zalisteggall) March 16, 2020

    The bill, which was intended to be introduced into parliament next Monday, is modelled on the UK’s 2008 climate act and sets out legislative frameworks to transition Australia to a low-carbon economy.

    Zali’s dream of converting Warringah into California will have to wait. Speaking of California, here’s this morning’s Daily Telegraph editorial:

    The spread and impact of coronavirus in California is very similar to the spread and impact in Australia.

    The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in California yesterday stood at 335, with six dead. In Australia, our total number of cases jumped yesterday to 350 with five fatalities.

    (UPDATE. California now has 392 cases. Australia’s total has climbed to 452.)

    Both California and Australia are desperate to avoid an ­Italian-style coronavirus outcome. On Sunday alone, an ­additional 3590 cases and 398 deaths were reported. Those frightening figures bring Italy’s overall coronavirus statistics to more than 24,700 cases and more than 1800 deaths.

    (UPDATE. Now 27,980 cases and 2158 deaths.)

    Australia has already banned gatherings of more than 500 people and has warned those who defy compulsory quarantine they will face criminal charges, besides many other measures.

    As The Daily Telegraph reports, these steps have caused grave but unavoidable damage to businesses and the broader economy. And, if we follow California’s example, further hurt may follow.

    On Sunday, Californian Governor Gavin Newsom ordered the closure of bars, nightclubs, pubs and wineries. Furthermore, he directed all restaurants to limit customers to half of their legal capacity.

    In addition, Newsom called on all Californians aged 65 and older to self-isolate. That amounts to around six million people. Any sufferers of chronic health conditions have also been directed to stay at home.

    And some four million students across the state will no longer attend school.

    Clearly, these measures are several steps beyond Australia’s present precautions. Yet they have been put in place as ­California’s coronavirus count is much the same as ours — or far smaller, if considered relative to population sizes (California 39 million, Australia 25 million).

    If these closures slow California’s rate of infection, Australia may have little choice but to ­follow that example.

    It’s a fiendishly tough call. Thousands of jobs are on the line. But if such dramatic closures work, they work.

    From The Comments

    Kryten
    1 hour ago
    So Ms Steggall now believes that there is NO longer a climate crisis/emergency? Can somebody tell us why we are paying this waste of space?

    Maria
    4 hours ago
    Surely Stegall is of the opinion that the “climate change” has also caused corona virus.

    morph
    3 hours ago
    She thinks climate change caused Tony Abbott

    Gareth
    1 hour ago
    Which is the inverse of reality in our Looking Glass world – climate change unfortunately got rid of him, or at least gullible rich voters did.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    Trump back into $1.90 after briefly blowing out to $2.10

    Serious Trump is good Trump.

    He’s an action man. Sitting around tweeting shit is funny but does him no favours. Being serious is a better style for him.

  61. notafan

    I have decided to go to the doctor.

    Sore throat running mild temperature

    Not allowed inside until I get a call from the doctor.

    No time to be sick when you have responsibilities.

    Very upsetting.

  62. Porter

    They have a pastoral responsibility for their “flock”.

    This virus is not going to blow over in two or four weeks. Pray tell me what sort of pastoral responsibility is this lock down idiocy that is contrary to medical evidence and advice? Do not the facts say kids don’t get sick like adults and that it is better they be at school then spreading their germs down at the local shopping centre or to their frail grandparents? Or needlessly stopping their parents from working? Sorry Calli, I was hoping to see some leadership from faith communities. Between the fat hijabi hoarders and the pantswetting Christians I am not seeing much. Only the Salvos keep on keeping on and they are no spring chickens these days.

  63. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Mother Lode, the youtube link has to be a vanilla one. Start with

    https://

    in full, include

    www.youtube.com/

    (not youtu.be/), and end with

    watch?v=IVTRpTHPs3o

    or similar.

    Do not include

    t=123

    on the end (you cannot link to a particular point within the video), and avoid

    &list=UU4sEmXUuWIFlxRIFBRV6VXQ&index=2

    which is a playlist.

    So:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVTRpTHPs3o

    becomes

  64. calli

    I blame struth, nota.

    He’s got you hot under the collar. 🙂

    Put your feet up and have a day off from running yourself ragged.

  65. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Easier on a PC than a phone, when youtube insists on a shortened youtu.be ID.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    Live Monitor
    @amlivemon

    I’ve already explained why this is the case and why Italy’s Coronavirus figures are higher… Chinese(Wenzhounese) factories pumping out insane amounts of pollution. Italy’s healthcare is inadequate and Northern Italy has EU’s worst air pollution.

    https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1240113606517313536

    Read if you want to know Italy is having the worst possible Chinese Flu season.

    For starters its full of diseased Chinese workers.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    I have decided to go to the doctor.

    Sore throat running mild temperature

    Not allowed inside until I get a call from the doctor.

    No time to be sick when you have responsibilities.

    Very upsetting.

    We’ve got your back Nota.

  68. OldOzzie

    The Fiscal Stimulus Panic

    $1,000 checks won’t help the economy, but a new Fed backstop will.

    By The WSJ Editorial Board

    We will survive the coronavirus panic as Americans adapt, as they always do. We’re less confident of the Washington panic, as our politicians rush to throw money around without much thought or economic logic as they almost always do. At least the Federal Reserve stepped in Tuesday to address an immediate economic problem.

    To take these one at a time, President Trump appeared to throw his support Tuesday for the Mitt Romney-Steven Mnuchin idea of giving every American a check for $1,000. This will help those who lose their jobs or income from government shutting down retail and other operations. But Congress is also addressing this with expanded jobless insurance, food-stamp and other income transfers, and mandated sick leave that is much better targeted at genuine hardship. Some people who will get the $1,000 won’t need it.

    The politicians are again selling the Keynesian illusion that this is the best way to get cash into the pocket of consumers who will spend it. That claim has failed time and again—from the George W. Bush tax rebate of 2002, to the Nancy Pelosi-Bush rebate of 2008, to the Barack Obama-Pelosi spending spree of 2009. The cash outlay will be even less effective now with so many fewer ways to spend it as much of the economy shuts down.

    The checks no doubt will be popular, which probably explains GOP support in the Senate and White House. They will also blunt Democratic criticism if businesses also receive aid. But the checks won’t come cheap, running at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars for the first round. What happens if the pandemic lasts into summer? The clamor will be for another round, and then another.

    The U.S. can borrow now at low rates to finance this, but even American resources aren’t infinite. A $2 trillion annual deficit implies a substantial future tax increase—maybe as soon as next year—that would retard the recovery. Americans should get a greater economic return for that amount of money.

    Mr. Trump has also agreed to the request of U.S. airlines for a $50 billion rescue. At least this appears to be structured in the Treasury request as secured loans, rather than grants. Solvent companies need financing to get through the virus economic shutdown, and once healthy they should be able to pay it back.

    One problem with industry-specific rescues is that the requests turn into political free-for-alls on Capitol Hill. The better way to do this is a new Fed facility we wrote about Tuesday that would allow all business comers that were solvent before the virus to apply for loans against good collateral. Mr. Mnuchin should lean on Fed Chairman Jerome Powell to do it.

    Speaking of the Fed, it made a useful contribution Tuesday by announcing a new program to backstop the commercial paper market. This inter-company lending market is a crucial source of business financing and has been seizing up of late as companies grow uncertain of the health of their borrowers. The backstop helped to liquify that market in 2008-2009, and it can end when the viral panic does.

    The Fed has an obligation here because its decade of low interest rates has contributed to the corporate debt spree that is now scaring Wall Street. While American households have increased savings since the housing meltdown, corporate debt has grown by leaps and become riskier. Non-investment grade corporate debt has increased by about 2.8% annually since 2013 and now totals nearly $3 trillion—about 30% of outstanding corporate debt.

    “Growth in business debt has outpaced GDP for the past 10 years, with the most rapid growth in debt over recent years concentrated among the riskiest firms,” the Fed warned last May. “Although debt-financing costs are low, the elevated level of debt could leave the business sector vulnerable to a downturn in economic activity or a tightening in financial conditions.”

    And here we are. High-yield bonds make up a little over half of non-investment grade debt while the remainder is “leveraged loans” to companies with high debt to earnings. A fire sale of junk-rated debt into an illiquid market could magnify asset-price declines. Corporate bond yields and the price in derivatives markets for insuring junk debt are spiking.

    Since the 2008-2009 crisis, banks have strengthened their balance sheets. But financial regulation has pushed more risk to “shadow banks” like asset managers, private equity and fintech firms that are thinly capitalized and depend on credit from banks. With their balance sheets coming under stress, they are drawing down their credit lines.

    All of this means the risk of corporate defaults is real in an extended economic shutdown. Defaults could cascade into the financial system, which may be why the largest U.S. banks have lost nearly half of their market value this year even though their stocks were never expensive. (With the exception of Citigroup, big bank stocks rallied Tuesday.)

    When the viral panic subsides, the Fed should rethink the moral hazard of its failure to return to a normal monetary regime. Meantime, the policy goals should be providing relief to people who are suffering hardship from job loss or sickness, and providing emergency loan financing to healthy companies so they can survive the viral economic shutdown and revive the economy on the other side. A thousand bucks won’t offset the damage to people if their employers go out of business.

  69. calli

    Pray tell me what sort of pastoral responsibility is this lock down idiocy that is contrary to medical evidence and advice?

    I’m not going to “pray tell” you anything Porter. Ping off.

  70. Fisky

    100% guaranteed these are PRC citizens.

    Jennifer Keast
    @DrJenniferKeast
    I live in a small town of 1500 people 100 kms from Melbourne. Yesterday 4 tour buses arrived from Melbourne and 200 people descended on our supermarket and stripped the shelves of everything. Not. One. Foodstuff. Left

  71. 100% guaranteed these are PRC citizens subversives.

    FIFY

  72. notafan

    I can’t see my sister or the other one in trouble if I’m sick.

    And yes I’m ticked off by the oh coronavirus it’s a big nothing.

    There is no virtue signalling in looking after the people you love.

    It’s what people do.

    Everyone.

  73. calli

    I won’t link to it, but running on the Aunty Just In:

    Rob and Andrew overcame the gay marriage plebiscite and homophobic relatives to plan their dream wedding. But it’s all in tatters, as the tightened ban on large gatherings hits the wedding industry.

    Chuckle. You overcomers, you!

    There just had to be a rainbow story woven into the WuFlu.

  74. Fisky

    Dropletth_understory_I’m rich because I own seeds
    @th_understory
    Replying to
    @DrJenniferKeast
    and
    @myknittingwool
    It’s happened here too. I live 115km from the Adelaide CBD. My local supermarket is 25 km towards the city. Three buses Tuesday, same over the weekend. We can’t even get bread and milk.

  75. Mother Lode

    I was undone by the not being able to include the time marker.

    Absolutely fiendish!

  76. Snoopy

    The Germans must have a word for this. It’s really weird that most people on Facebook complaining of supermarket looting were just dropping in to pick up a couple of things.

  77. Fisky

    PRC citizens are hiring buses and touring the countryside stripping the supermarkets bare. Multiculturalism!

  78. The threat made by the Communists in China to start dumping Treasury notes on the market must be seen as what it is – an act of aggression.
    I’d suggest that the US immediately cancels all those notes as compensation for the damage she has done to the US economy.

  79. Nelson Kidd-Players

    But what are they doing with the loot? Stashing or shipping? Anyone got tabs on those shipping companies?

  80. mh

    PRC citizens are hiring buses and touring the countryside stripping the supermarkets bare.

    Can a journalist please raise this with the PM.

    Or Alan Jones can ask him.

  81. Pedro the Loafer

    Cuppla things.

    City based locusts stripping my little local IGA of almost anything edible. Locals getting cranky.

    WA has a de facto border control post at Eucla. Try getting across the border either way with a firearm or dangerous goods (even properly ticketed) and watch a half a dozen coppers appear out of nowhere. I reckon there are more cops, fruit fly nazis and customs agents in Eucla than actual residents.

    Don’t even think about bypassing Eucla on some of the inland roads, they are all covered by surveillance cameras. (Don’t ask how I know this).

    Numbers seems to really, really hate all Americans. In his bleary old eyes they can do no good and bring penury and pestilence to rest of the rest of the world.

    I wonder what sparked that particular obsession? (Don’t answer FFS. Rhetorical question).

  82. Ray Hadley has been asking for photo evidence of such events.

    “It’s happened here too. I live 115km from the Adelaide CBD. My local supermarket is 25 km towards the city. Three buses Tuesday, same over the weekend. We can’t even get bread and milk”.

  83. Calli:

    What have I done now, Winston? 🙂

    AAARRGGHH!
    My Noun Demon has struck again!
    I meant Ellie. She got piled on for calling people names, if you remember.

  84. But what are they doing with the loot?

    Nothing.
    The point of the exercise is to disrupt.

  85. 1735099

    The Indonesians would never pay up.

    Not too many Macassans made it to Tasmania.

  86. DrBeauGan

    I have decided to go to the doctor.

    Sore throat running mild temperature

    Hope you recover quickly, nota.

  87. Fisky

    I can’t believe the federal government hasn’t stepped in to ban PRC citizens from touring the countryside and hoarding all the produce. This is war!

  88. Fisky, whose side do you think the federal government is on, in this war?

  89. Megan

    I liked snitwhistle.

    Word of the Year

    Sadly, I cannot claim it as original. It’s from from an excrable, pun -heavy, farce called Bad Blood in the Bookshop where, amongst other ridiculously named characters, resides a grand dame of the theatre by the name of Winifred Snitwhistle. Sounds suitably serious as an insult when combined with an adjective such as vile and does not shock the puritans as much as a common obscenity.
    Let’s give it the exposure it deserves.

  90. Struth

    I have decided to go to the doctor.

    Sore throat running mild temperature

    No time to be sick when you have responsibilities.

    Very upsetting.

    There is no virtue signalling in looking after the people you love.

    It’s what people do.

    Everyone.

    No, but a shit load of virtue signalling in that statement.

    Go ye forth, oh angelic martyr, with the Kung flu on your back, for you are needed……………………..

  91. Fisky

    The federal government cannot take any punitive action against PRC citizens – terrified of housing prices tanking! Our country has been ruined by globalism and multiculturalism!

  92. Infidel Tiger

    I can’t believe the federal government hasn’t stepped in to ban PRC citizens from touring the countryside and hoarding all the produce. This is war!

    The xunts are everywhere.

    It’s a disgrace. Dressed like tourists, hording shit to send back to base.

  93. Struth

    I’ve got a pain in the arse.
    I don’t need to go to the doctor.
    I know what caused it.

  94. BorisG

    arresting Wuhan doctors who blew the whistle about the virus on social media back in December/January

    Correction: briefly detained, not arrested. Have they jailed Doctor Li, he would probably still be alive.

  95. Tel

    … longer usable lifespan of more than 1000 full charges.

    If you are charging once a day, that’s still only 3 years.

    I know I’ve said it a lot but energy density on these batteries is already quite reasonable for a wide range of applications including city commuter vehicles. Although higher density would be nice, it isn’t the showstopper that it’s made out to be. However reliability is a big problem at the moment, and unless you can use the thing every day with confidence, then the whole thing is pointless. Anyhow, good luck to them on improving the number of cycles … but 1000 is still not enough. If it was 5000 cycles and I replaced the battery after 15 years, that would be what I would consider minimum for an EV power supply.

  96. Fisky

    But what are they doing with the loot? Stashing or shipping?

    I have confirmed that there are no shortages at all in the PRC. Only its trading partners!

  97. Fisky

    Seriously. Are these busses with Chinese boys? Has anyone seen this?

    Mostly middle-age to elderly

  98. Infidel Tiger

    Boris still running interference for his ChiCom paymasters,

    Disgraceful behaviour.

  99. Boambee John

    Cardimona
    #3362181, posted on March 18, 2020 at 1:50 pm
    Boambee John.
    Excellent point.

    (Samsung autoconfuse converts “Boambee” to “Bomber”.)

    Wishful thinking?

    Thanks for taking up the point.

  100. Farmer Gez

    “PRC citizens are hiring buses and touring the countryside stripping the supermarkets bare. Multiculturalism!”

    Some but not most.
    What we face is the result of a immigration system that allowed people in from countries where social order has all but collapsed. Some of these countries are held together by petty tyrants of a military or religious nature.
    The migrants are not adjusted to a well ordered and friendly society and feel no fellowship with their new neighbours.
    Our homegrown hoarders are the spawn of this ‘dog eat dog’ mentality. They have learnt by experience that community counts for nothing and they will be taken down by the new family up the street given half a chance.
    These are dire consequences that Douglas Murray warned us about. Diversity has destroyed unity and it’s being played out in our supermarket aisles.

  101. mh

    I can’t believe the federal government hasn’t stepped in to ban PRC citizens from touring the countryside and hoarding all the produce. This is war!

    Max and Goose, we have a job for you.

  102. BorisG

    Boris still running interference for his ChiCom paymasters,

    Am I write or wrong, idiot?

  103. Mater

    Ray Hadley has been asking for photo evidence of such events.

    It should be obvious that Supermarket owners wouldn’t be putting residential restrictions on customers entering their store, if it wasn’t happening.
    Anyone who has posted photos or explanations about what’s happening on FB, has been labeled a racist and forced to delete.
    I’m sure CCTV is available from any number of Supermarkets from Rochester, Echuca, Woodend, Daylesford, Romsey, Riddells Creek, Gisborne, Macedon, Kyneton, etc, etc, etc. It is massively widespread.

    Ray can get off his arse and go speak to some Supermarket employees or Managers.

  104. Struth

    We need a name for our Traitors.

    Whitechin ks up to hi jinx people.

    Whitecoolies

    Dastyarians
    Aldibagman

    etc.

    Yu wan Cash

    Fuk Dat West

  105. Fisky

    Lots of reports on Twitter about busloads of PRC citizens touring around the country towns and stripping the supermarkets completely bare.

    What does Tim Soutphommasane have to say about this??

    Glenn
    @Glenn02936110
    Replying to
    @JimRHoughton

    @ERN_Malleyscrub
    and
    @theage
    Bus loads if Chinese arrived at Seymour early to strip the supermarket of produce
    6:41 PM · Mar 17, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

  106. Geriatric Mayfly

    Imagine the outrageous outrage, raised to the ABC threshold, if a rural store manager denied access to a bus load of epicanthic ethnics.

  107. Struth

    The Indonesians would never pay up.

    Not too many Macassans made it to Tasmania.

    Numbers remembers it well.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Am I write or wrong, idiot?

    Your write.

  109. Some History

    Boris still running interference for his ChiCom paymasters,
    Am I write or wrong, idiot?

    Are you write?

  110. Fisky

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3362333, posted on March 18, 2020 at 3:52 pm
    Imagine the outrageous outrage, raised to the ABC threshold, if a rural store manager denied access to a bus load of epicanthic ethnics.

    Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act is the number 1 reason why nothing can be done to stop the foreign hoarding. We must repeal!

  111. Fisky

    If your children go to bed hungry tonight, you have multiculturalism and anti-discrimination legislation to thank for it in large part.

  112. OldOzzie

    FAA Considers Enhanced Inspections After Southwest Jet Suffers Structural Problem

    Crack in fuselage during flight prompts reassessment of maintenance checks for certain Boeing 737 models

    U.S. air-safety officials are investigating potential structural problems affecting hundreds of Boeing 737 jets following an in-flight incident that left a 12-inch rupture in the aluminum skin of a Southwest Airlines plane.

    Nobody was hurt on Monday night’s flight, en route from Las Vegas to Boise, Idaho, as the damaged aircraft descended to a safe altitude and the pilots landed at their destination, according to the carrier and the Federal Aviation Administration. The plane’s cabin gradually lost pressure but it stabilized after pilots descended to a lower altitude, and oxygen masks never deployed.

    The unusual event has prompted the agency to analyze whether more-frequent inspections should be ordered to check the integrity of the same part of the fuselage on similar 737 models.

    The FAA analysis doesn’t affect Boeing’s 737 MAX models, which are newer and currently grounded around the globe.

    Pilots on Southwest Flight 1685 descended to 22,000 feet from 39,000 feet and continued safely to their destination.

    “The aircraft was able to maintain a safe cabin pressure,” according to an FAA statement, adding that the agency is investigating.

    A spokeswoman for Southwest said the plane was taken out of service and is being repaired. “We consistently review our maintenance programs based on new information and continually seek opportunities to improve our robust safety practices,” she said.

    Southwest has told the FAA that previously mandated maintenance checks found external cracks on two other 737s in the same location as with the plane involved in Monday’s incident, according to people familiar with the details. But those cracks—on top of the plane behind the cockpit—didn’t result in the kind of cabin decompression that occurred on the flight this week, according to information the carrier has provided to FAA inspectors.

    Current FAA safety rules require inspections after every 1,500 flights to look for cracks on the exterior of that portion of the fuselage. The jet that landed safely in Boise was inspected roughly 500 flights before Monday’s incident, according to a person familiar with the details.

    Such maintenance checks for structural problems are routine safety initiatives across all airliner models.

    The most serious result of cracks in an aircraft’s body is a rapid decompression of the cabin. Such a problem can create a hole in the fuselage, through which, in extreme cases, passengers can even be sucked out in flight.

    The FAA and Boeing have been devising enhanced maintenance procedures for the same section of what is called the crown of 737 jets since 2008. The original safety directive was replaced by revised inspection requirements in 2016 and again in 2017.

    It is too early to know whether the FAA will require more-frequent inspections, according to another person familiar with the details. Before any decision, FAA experts are expected to review the service and maintenance history—as well as the structural integrity of certain modifications—affecting Southwest and other U.S. operators of the widely used 737 models.

    In 2016, the FAA’s maintenance order called on airlines to look for missing or loose fasteners and laid out other measures intended to prevent cracks from spreading.

    The 2017 safety directive said Boeing determined that the skin of certain 737 models is subject to widespread metal-fatigue damage. If the weakness isn’t detected and corrected, according to the FAA, it could “result in reduced structural integrity of the airplane.”

    The FAA’s deliberations come five months after the agency ordered emergency structural inspections of some older 737 NG jets, in order to detect unrelated cracking in crucial components that help connect wings to fuselages. Subsequently, there were checks and repairs, as necessary, of 737 NG jets that had flown fewer trips. Dozens of planes world-wide have been grounded and repaired, causing some schedule disruptions.

    Southwest, for its part, has had regulatory tussles over the years with the FAA regarding structural inspections and other maintenance issues. More than a decade ago, after Congressional investigators revealed Southwest flew tens of thousands of passengers on 46 older aircraft without completing mandatory structural inspections, the carrier agreed to pay a $7.5 million civil penalty. Years later, metal fatigue opened a 5-foot gash on a Southwest 737 that ended up making an emergency landing at a military base in Arizona. There were no injuries.

  113. Infidel Tiger

    Most Australian thing ever.

    “Experts” are worried about stopping random breath testing during Chinese Flu crisis.

    We joked about this a week ago and now it’s true!

  114. The Beer Whisperer

    Spanish Flu Being Renamed Across the Internet to ‘1918 Influenza’ As Leftists Declare it Racist to Refer to Coronavirus as ‘Chinese’

    COVID-19 should be renamed Chinese Communist Party Wuhan Biolab Virus.

  115. calli

    I doubt if much, if any is going offshore.

    After all, AustraliaPost, not to mention other delivery services, would blow the whistle immediately on masses of tinned and packaged produce leaving the country. They all have phones.

    I’m starting to think this may be a deliberately orchestrated move to create a lucrative black market. The only way to stop it would be to relinquish yet more freedom in the form of serious, government-dictated rationing and movement of people.

  116. Diogenes

    A colleague is pissed off bigly. Had he traveled overseas, he would now be enjoying 2 weeks not chargeable as leave, self isolation. His oncologist has told him to self isolate, and he has no sick leave or lsl left. Choice is stark, 2 weeks no pay or keep coming to work and perhaps die.

    Social isolation at schools is a sick joke(no pun intended) , and with great effort (basically staff donated any excess they had @ home) hand sanitizer was supplied in student bathrooms, sprayed over the walls floors and ceilings by recess. Replaced by bar soap, all flushed down toilets by lunch time. The way the brats are behaving, I reckon every 2nd student will get it if we get just one case.

  117. BorisG

    Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act is the number 1 reason why nothing can be done to stop the foreign hoarding.

    18C needs to be repealed as a matter of principle. But advocating limits on immigration does not violate 18C.

  118. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Hmmm, is Tailgunner of work yet? We need to identity a bus so he can track it. 🙂

  119. OldOzzie

    Thunderdome 2020 Begins – Philadelphia Police Will Not Arrest for Burglary or Theft Due to Coronavirus

    As an outcome of short-sighted coronavirus issues, the Philadelphia police department has announced they will no longer be arresting suspects for retail theft, auto theft, burglary, narcotics or other “non violent” offenses. Instead they will write tickets, release the suspects and address the criminality later on. Now watch what happens.

    CTH saw the instructions earlier today (see below) but we did not want to immediately distribute the information. It should be remembered the current Philadelphia police commissioner, Danielle Outlaw (pictured left), is a social justice activist from Portland, Oregon. (guess what race?)

    Unfortunately, there is a predictive element to this. Perhaps some are familiar with the post Hurricane Andrew experience in Homestead and Miami-Dade.

    The only thing standing between law-abiding citizens and those who would take their possessions is an ability to defend your own property. This is now the Philadelphia reality.

  120. calli

    Diogenes, that was what I was told would happen by someone, in a position to know, on Monday. How can a school practise “social distancing” without terrifying the little ones and challenging the older ones to disobey?

  121. Cats should feel honoured to have an Official PRC Spokesperson on this blog.

  122. calli

    Philadelphia testing “brotherly love” I see.

  123. Infidel Tiger

    The way the brats are behaving, I reckon every 2nd student will get it if we get just one case.

    There are two demographics who don’t give a shit about Wuhan Flu.

    Kids and people over 80.

    The kids I can understand as they are immune and in fact consider it a super power that they can now death touch adults, bu the oldies strolling around with gay abandon is rather curious. Keeping the coffee shops going though.

  124. Cassie of Sydney

    “Winston Smith
    #3362263, posted on March 18, 2020 at 3:00 pm
    Huck:

    We have imported human garbage and there’s no going back.

    It’s good thing you’re not Callie.”

    Not Ellie…it was me WS….and thanks for noticing the double standards. It was me who received a pile on for calling those women in the supermarket two weekends ago…..scum, trash and peasants. But that’s okay…there’s nothing quite like a Catallaxy pile on.

  125. Megan

    We stopped at Seymour Aldi Monday about 3.30pm on way home to Melbourne. It was bizarre – no meat, veges, fruit, tea, coffee, biscuits, milk, or frozen food. In addition to the empty shelves of the early panic buys of paper products, sanitizer and soap, flour and bleach. Yet there was plenty of nuts and chocolate…good backups in case of imminent starvation I would have thought. Plus a couple of bags of sad and lonely salad potatoes. Clearly overlooked because salad means they aren’t suitable for anything else, right?

  126. BorisG

    I have a genuine question. Australian Government is saying this crisis will last for at least 6 months, and will ‘flatten the curve’. But we see China, HK, Singapore, South Korea getting on top of the virus in a couple of months.

    Why cannot we do the same? is it because we want to avoid total lockdown? Isn’t total lockdown for 2 months better for the economy and jobs than near-shutdown for over 6 months?

  127. Arky

    Anyone who was in China during the 70’s remembers almost starving. They won’t do any overall harm. And they’ll have filled up all their storage space soon. There won’t be much of a black market because they’ll just be hiding in their houses.

    ..
    No it’s bloody stupid at these levels and risks a bloody rat or mouse plague over winter, on top of the normal flu, on top of the ch1nky flu.

  128. Lilliana

    The Indonesians would never pay up.

    Not too many Macassans made it to Tasmania.

    Compensation – are you joking?
    We been paying ‘compensation’ to the tune of around $30B per year for ages and it’s never enough to satisfy the professional victims.

  129. Infidel Tiger

    Singapore never had a total lock down.

    They quickly identified how evil China is and that helped them enormously.

    Cut the snakes head off.

  130. calli

    And they’ll have filled up all their storage space soon.

    You’ll soon know who – their cars will be parked on the street.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    is it because we want to avoid total lockdown? Isn’t total lockdown for 2 months better for the economy and jobs than near-shutdown for over 6 months?

    Says the public servant on the Chinese payroll.

  132. DrBeauGan

    Suppose I have a very mild, barely detectable viral infection of the respiratory tract. May be a version of coronavirus that is almost asymptomatic– for me anyway.

    Do I self isolate, or do I go and breathe over everyone to pass it around because it might give immunity to something much nastier?

  133. Arky

    Cut the snakes head off.

    ..
    First you must draw the snake out of it’s hole, before you can cut it’s head off.
    I think people are, at last, seeing the snake for what it is.
    I am no longer a voice in the wilderness calling for our own industry, our own home made products on shelves.

  134. BorisG

    Singapore never had a total lock down.

    Anyway, if you can beat it without total lockdown then even better. Note that Australia is far less crowded than Singapore. Perhaps tropical climate helps.

    Why 6 months then?

  135. candy

    If the kids got the virus it would be the last straw. I think you’d see people breaking into chemists to get medications, just Panadol.

    There is something seriously wrong with the supply and distribution. I heard the CEO Woolies I think say their distribution centre walls are not big enough but there is no shortage of food.
    Surely there must be someone who can figure out how to get stuff from A to B quicker and in more volume.

  136. Tom

    Am I write or wrong, idiot?

    Hahaha! Soros money for trolls is so 2016.

    The sexy new prostitution for trolls is being a bumboy for the Chinese Communist Party.

  137. OldOzzie

    The Retail Supply Chain Has Inverted – Formerly Efficient Operations Now Least Effective – Small Markets Best Supplied…

    Interesting, Backed up by Daily Telegraph Article

    How to shop for groceries if you’re isolating or over panic buyers

    As Sydney’s biggest supermarkets struggle against a wave of panic buyers, smaller operators are finding themselves in the hot seat when it comes to food, meal and booze deliveries.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison today confirmed there would not be a lockdown and urged Austtralians to stop pani buying and hoarding, saying it was ‘ridiculous’ and ‘unAustralian’.

    However as the coronavirus crisis deepens in NSW and more people work from home or self-isolate, getting food and other essentials remains a stressful part of life for many.

    Which is why it’s good to start shopping local.

    Many smaller local supermarkets are offering free drop-offs and deliveries to locals who need it, such as QE Foodstores in Newtown, and are managing to maintain stock including fresh produce, meat and the ‘unicorn’ item, toilet paper.

    IGA Lilyfield owner Leon Van Rensburg will have an online shopping service set up by the end of the week due to demand.

    He’s also returned to an old-fashioned approach to service locals — accepting phone orders from the elderly or vulnerable, even driving customers home if they can’t carry their shopping.

    At a time when local businesses desperately need the support, he said it was heartwarming to see locals coming in to skip the stress of the big supermarkets.

    “We’re not getting the aggression you’re seeing in the chains,” he said.

    Delivery businesses like Doorstop Organics based in Marrickville, is also stepping in to fill the gap, especially as more shoppers try to avoid the aggro at supermarkets.

    Doorstop Organics, usually a same-day grocery delivery service, is now bumping deliveries two, three even four days into the future for the first time in 15 years to meet demand.

    “Our business has doubled by 100 per cent at least,” said owner Peter Richardson, adding they were turning off some of their advertising to help stem demand.

    “We’re making it up by the day because the situation changes daily, it’s insane.”

    “I’m living on four hours of sleep a night trying to keep it all going.”

    With more than 5000 grocery lines, the bulk Australian made, supply wasn’t an issue, he said.

    But meeting demand was challenging, as every order was packed by hand, although customers were being patient and supportive despite longer delivery times

    Meanwhile, demand for pre-made meals has been intense at Dietlicious and Gourmet Dinner, said director Janel Horton, who’s been in the kitchen working 12-hour days.

    Both Dietlicious and Gourmet Dinner Service have seen a 25 per cent sales growth in the last two weeks.

    “It’s like a Christmas rush in March,” said Ms Horton, who said they’ve had to add staff to keep up as kitchen, packing and delivery staff were working from 5am to 6pm.

    “Frozen food has never been cooler,” she said. “We are meeting the demand for frozen meals and fresh salads and will continue to do so with our huge range of chef made healthy frozen meals that are supporting people through this time”.

    BOOZE DELIVERIES BOOM

    Tipple, which partners with local independent Sydney bottle shops, has seen a huge spike in orders over the past two weeks, said head of operations Travis Barrington.

    “Last week, numerous customers were ordering in bulk — in excess of $1000 per transaction. This is unusual on our platform as customers mostly use our service for fast on-demand ordering yet we are seeing many scheduled later-day deliveries,” he said.

    Tipple has increased its delivery fleet to meet the demand, which is expected to continue as they’re already seeing daily requests from customers who are in isolation.

    Alcohol home delivery service Jimmy Brings co-founder Nathan Besser said they are actively recruiting drivers daily to meet demand.

    “We are doing our very best to keep up with demand, and introducing new procedures to maximise safety and hygiene for our team and customers,” Mr Besser said.

    He also said customers were showing patience and respect to staff.

    “While some parts of the community are reporting otherwise, we are seeing our staff and customers come together to support each other.”

    While the business has plenty of stock available, it is expecting some supply chain issues and may need to substitute items for similar products of equal or greater value.

    A GUIDE TO GETTING ESSENTIALS

    SUPERMARKET CHAINS

    Woolworths and Coles have suspended click and collect services, and Coles has stopped home delivery orders to dedicate its van network to get groceries to the most vulnerable.

    Woolworths home delivery windows are closing at record time.

    Coles has also temporarily cancelled its UberEats delivery service to improve availability in stores, a spokeswoman said, and is currently recruiting 5000 staff to help meet demand.

    Costco Australia would not comment on its online services status.

    GROCERIES

    Harris Farm is open for business online, and says there is no “unmanageable risk” to the food supply system in Australia.

    The majority of Harris farm produce is Australian and co-CEOs Tristan, Luke and Angus Harris said any short term rushes and out of stocks were likely to be just that – short term.

    Amazon Australia also offers pantry staples and beverages, including tinned food, cereals, cooking ingredients, instant meals, baby food, sauces, condiments and more.

    Online meat deliveries are available in much of Sydney, however some have been swamped by demand, such as The Meat Store, which has temporarily stopped orders until March 23.

    Others including The Meat Boutique, My Meat Online are taking orders.

    Kingsmore Meats in Rose Bay has also stepped away from online orders, instead asking customers to text so they can let them know what they have in stock.

    Owner Joel Horton said staff were working from 4am until 10pm to fill orders.

    “I’ve had so many Woolies and Coles customers in here because the shelves are empty. I think it’s a big lesson for consumers that maybe they need to support the little fellas a bit more,” Mr Horton said.

    FRESH PRODUCE

    There are loads of fresh fruit and vegetable delivery options in Sydney.

    Fruit and Veg 2u delivers to most north western suburbs of Sydney three days a week, while

    The Fruit Cart delivers seasonal boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables on a weekly or fortnightly basis.

    Sydney Fresh delivers Australian grown fruit and vegetables direct from Sydney Markets.

    Google fresh produce deliveries in your area for more.

    MINI GROCERY RUNS

    You can order some groceries and alcohol, as well as meals, via Menulog depending on which area you live, as well as UberEats. Contactless delivery is also an option.

    You can also place a job on Airtasker and get your shop done and dropped off.

    CHARITABLE HELP

    If you’re in need of food assistance, contact Foodbank on 02 9756 3099 which can help people find a charity in their area that can support them.

  138. Farmer Gez

    I doubt if much, if any is going offshore.

    Except for the baby formula and nappies. The diaspora is mailing that off to relatives at a faster pace.

  139. Farmer Gez

    Rumour has it that COVID-19 is in our town.
    The doof doof festivals and the supermarket raiders have weaved their viral magic.

  140. twostix

    Surely there must be someone who can figure out how to get stuff from A to B quicker and in more volume.

    We’re being absolutely had.

    They have no warehouses, it’s JIT from the producer or boat -> depot -> supermarket.

    They’re waiting for ships to arrive.

  141. vr

    My parents went to Chadstone this morning at 6:30. There were 50 waiting at the entrance. At Coles, their ids were checked before being let in. They managed to score some precious toilet paper and most of what they needed.

  142. Arky

    Guest Post: Arky: Trump. Trump. Trumpetty Trump.
    Posted on 8:30 pm, October 30, 2016 by Guest Author
    Almost 35 years ago I began my apprenticeship in one of my countries largest engineering firms, an over 100 year old family concern. We manufactured car hoists, reduction gear boxes, self propelled irrigation equipment, mining equipment, pumps and rock crushers. We could handle huge production runs or one offs.

    But it was all coming to an end.

    I started in the drafting office on the upper floor. Row upon row of drafting tables. But where were all the draftsmen? There were only two old poms there, waiting for retirement. On the factory floor it was similar. Row upon row of lathes. Grinding room. Fitting shop. Massive boring machines and overhead cranes. But only one or two tradesmen in each department.

    A closed shop, but by law we half dozen apprentices could not join the union.

    Along the corridor were the offices. The owner was a nice man. An engineer. A gentleman. A third generation owner of a prestigious business that supplied equipment to farms and mines nationwide and beyond.

    At sixteen I had no idea what any of this meant. But even I could see the place was going under. After my stint in the drafting office I was placed in the “auto shop”: automated lathes. Mechanically controlled Warner Swasey turret lathes, and now alongside them, the new computer controlled lathes and machining centres made by companies like Okuma. The place was depending on these to change its fortunes.

    The tradesmen and older apprentices hated the auto shop. It “wasn’t real engineering” or something. They held it in deep suspicion and contempt.

    I was fascinated by automation and loved the machinery. Bear in mind, at this age I had no knowledge of shearers and narrow combs or coal miners and their restrictions on the equipment used to bog out, or any of the myriad ways unions seek to limit productivity.

    Looking back now I realise those people were at a turning point. Technology would make it possible to manufacture a thousand items a day instead of a few dozen. The auto shop was asking them to learn to program, to monitor tolerances and processes, and think in a completely different way. They baulked at the very idea. These were very skilled men who took great pride in their work.

    They could have applied themselves to the new technology. The combination of their skills and knowledge, the company’s vast array of patented designs, and the new manufacturing technology would have been awesome. Or they could look at it as their enemy and replacement and rant and rail against it. Which they did.

    Now they are all gone, long retired, not a few of them of them dead, I suppose. It was a long time ago. Most of the objects they made with pride are either rusting in paddocks or melted for scrap. In the end they left nothing worthwhile. That factory’s equipment, like so many others, is probably at work in China. My last job in the place was to help pack it all up into shipping containers. Their jobs are gone, their life’s work: nothing.

    In the end I don’t blame them. Or the unions.

    I blame employers. I blame the gutlessness to stand up to unions. To fight for it. To hold onto a 100 year old company and retain that production in the country. At least the unions fought for what they wanted.

    In the 35 years since I have seen it time and time again. Along with all the bullshit and excuses. Manufacturing was “old technology”. The information age was the new thing. People making that argument did not understand that manufacturing was part of the information age.

    Then the “Clever Country”. We were going to do all the difficult design work and Asian people would compliantly make what we told them to. Or something. Then: “Oh well, we don’t have a competitive advantage in manufacturing, lets concentrate on what we do well”. I have news for you: if you can’t make a go of manufacturing, when you already have the industrial base and they don’t, you ain’t in any shape to be better than anyone at anything.

    And my favourite: “We don’t have the population”. The whole point of that time, just as we turned our backs on making stuff, you know, to fluff about with web design and installing solar panels instead, was that it was making it possible for a small number of highly skilled dudes using computer controlled machinery to manufacture that which had previously required a huge workforce.

    I sometimes wonder if it is possible to calculate what was lost.

    I see the same items made in China I used to help make. The same. Thirty five years later.

    I don’t think they put the same effort into developing new items. It is like with cars. Japanese engines were based on old British designs. If you take a Toyota engine apart it is basically just an upsized Austin 1300 with an overhead cam. What new things did the Japanese bring to cars? What they brought was the ability to make cars without industrial disputes and disruption. But to the actual product? It remains essentially unchanged.

    We must have missed out on an incalculable amount of improvements and new product while firms were occupied in first appeasing unions and taking government largess, then pulling the plug and selling everyone out and gifting the third world an industrial base.

    I have endured hearing Labor politicians pat themselves on the back that they have gotten us away from manufacturing into “higher skilled” work.

    This was their mindset: Working in a factory is bad. No one should have to endure it.

    I liked it, and still visit that long gone factory in my dreams and can open workbench drawers and know what tool belonged where and who works on which machine even if I can’t remember all their names.

    I think for a while there they thought we were all going to be like those sad tossers you saw in the late nineties heading off into the world on those lying down tricycle thingies rigged up with a solar panel and a modem. They liked saying paradigm shift a lot. Like the world changed and no one would need mass produced stuff anymore because internet.

    And the green idiots.

    Preserving the country’s resources for a future less gutless and stupid civilisation to exploit.

  143. 1735099

    They quickly identified how evil China is…

    Hilarious.
    Singapore is 76% ethnically Chinese.

  144. OldOzzie

    The Retail Supply Chain Has Inverted – Formerly Efficient Operations Now Least Effective – Small Markets Best Supplied

    Interesting, Backed up by Daily Telegraph Article

    How to shop for groceries if you’re isolating or over panic buyers

    As Sydney’s biggest supermarkets struggle against a wave of panic buyers, smaller operators are finding themselves in the hot seat when it comes to food, meal and booze deliveries.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison today confirmed there would not be a lockdown and urged Austtralians to stop pani buying and hoarding, saying it was ‘ridiculous’ and ‘unAustralian’.

    However as the coronavirus crisis deepens in NSW and more people work from home or self-isolate, getting food and other essentials remains a stressful part of life for many.

    Which is why it’s good to start shopping local.

    Many smaller local supermarkets are offering free drop-offs and deliveries to locals who need it, such as QE Foodstores in Newtown, and are managing to maintain stock including fresh produce, meat and the ‘un*corn’ item, toilet paper.

    IGA Lilyfield owner Leon Van Rensburg will have an online shopping service set up by the end of the week due to demand.

    He’s also returned to an old-fashioned approach to service locals — accepting phone orders from the elderly or vulnerable, even driving customers home if they can’t carry their shopping.

    At a time when local businesses desperately need the support, he said it was heartwarming to see locals coming in to skip the stress of the big supermarkets.

    “We’re not getting the aggression you’re seeing in the chains,” he said.

    Delivery businesses like Doorstop Organics based in Marrickville, is also stepping in to fill the gap, especially as more shoppers try to avoid the aggro at supermarkets.

    Doorstop Organics, usually a same-day grocery delivery service, is now bumping deliveries two, three even four days into the future for the first time in 15 years to meet demand.

    “Our business has doubled by 100 per cent at least,” said owner Peter Richardson, adding they were turning off some of their advertising to help stem demand.

    “We’re making it up by the day because the situation changes daily, it’s insane.”

    “I’m living on four hours of sleep a night trying to keep it all going.”

    With more than 5000 grocery lines, the bulk Australian made, supply wasn’t an issue, he said.

    But meeting demand was challenging, as every order was packed by hand, although customers were being patient and supportive despite longer delivery times

    Meanwhile, demand for pre-made meals has been intense at Dietlicious and Gourmet Dinner, said director Janel Horton, who’s been in the kitchen working 12-hour days.

    Both Dietlicious and Gourmet Dinner Service have seen a 25 per cent sales growth in the last two weeks.

    “It’s like a Christmas rush in March,” said Ms Horton, who said they’ve had to add staff to keep up as kitchen, packing and delivery staff were working from 5am to 6pm.

    “Frozen food has never been cooler,” she said. “We are meeting the demand for frozen meals and fresh salads and will continue to do so with our huge range of chef made healthy frozen meals that are supporting people through this time”.

  145. vr

    If you are in Brisbane, James St market is well stocked. Bought some $6 packets of Linguine yesterday. Had plenty of milk, bread, fruit and veg.

  146. OldOzzie

    How to shop for groceries if you’re isolating or over panic buyers

    BOOZE DELIVERIES BOOM

    Tipple, which partners with local independent Sydney bottle shops, has seen a huge spike in orders over the past two weeks, said head of operations Travis Barrington.

    “Last week, numerous customers were ordering in bulk — in excess of $1000 per transaction. This is unusual on our platform as customers mostly use our service for fast on-demand ordering yet we are seeing many scheduled later-day deliveries,” he said.

    Tipple has increased its delivery fleet to meet the demand, which is expected to continue as they’re already seeing daily requests from customers who are in isolation.

    Alcohol home delivery service Jimmy Brings co-founder Nathan Besser said they are actively recruiting drivers daily to meet demand.

    “We are doing our very best to keep up with demand, and introducing new procedures to maximise safety and hygiene for our team and customers,” Mr Besser said.

    He also said customers were showing patience and respect to staff.

    “While some parts of the community are reporting otherwise, we are seeing our staff and customers come together to support each other.”

    While the business has plenty of stock available, it is expecting some supply chain issues and may need to substitute items for similar products of equal or greater value.

    A GUIDE TO GETTING ESSENTIALS

    SUPERMARKET CHAINS

    Woolworths and Coles have suspended click and collect services, and Coles has stopped home delivery orders to dedicate its van network to get groceries to the most vulnerable.

    Woolworths home delivery windows are closing at record time.

    Coles has also temporarily cancelled its UberEats delivery service to improve availability in stores, a spokeswoman said, and is currently recruiting 5000 staff to help meet demand.

    Costco Australia would not comment on its online services status.

    GROCERIES

    Harris Farm is open for business online, and says there is no “unmanageable risk” to the food supply system in Australia.

    The majority of Harris farm produce is Australian and co-CEOs Tristan, Luke and Angus Harris said any short term rushes and out of stocks were likely to be just that – short term.

    Amazon Australia also offers pantry staples and beverages, including tinned food, cereals, cooking ingredients, instant meals, baby food, sauces, condiments and more.

    Online meat deliveries are available in much of Sydney, however some have been swamped by demand, such as The Meat Store, which has temporarily stopped orders until March 23.

    Others including The Meat Boutique, My Meat Online are taking orders.

    Kingsmore Meats in Rose Bay has also stepped away from online orders, instead asking customers to text so they can let them know what they have in stock.

    Owner Joel Horton said staff were working from 4am until 10pm to fill orders.

    “I’ve had so many Woolies and Coles customers in here because the shelves are empty. I think it’s a big lesson for consumers that maybe they need to support the little fellas a bit more,” Mr Horton said.

    FRESH PRODUCE

    There are loads of fresh fruit and vegetable delivery options in Sydney.

    Fruit and Veg 2u delivers to most north western suburbs of Sydney three days a week, while

    The Fruit Cart delivers seasonal boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables on a weekly or fortnightly basis.

    Sydney Fresh delivers Australian grown fruit and vegetables direct from Sydney Markets.

    Google fresh produce deliveries in your area for more.

    MINI GROCERY RUNS

    You can order some groceries and alcohol, as well as meals, via Menulog depending on which area you live, as well as UberEats. Contactless delivery is also an option.

    You can also place a job on Airtasker and get your shop done and dropped off.

    CHARITABLE HELP

    If you’re in need of food assistance, contact Foodbank on 02 9756 3099 which can help people find a charity in their area that can support them.

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    I know I’ve said it a lot but energy density on these batteries is already quite reasonable for a wide range of applications including city commuter vehicles.

    Tel – Here’s a recent one for you:

    Fast-charging damages electric car batteries (11 Mar)

    Commercial fast-charging stations subject electric car batteries to high temperatures and high resistance that can cause them to crack, leak, and lose their storage capacity, write engineers at the University of California, Riverside in a new study published in Energy Storage.

    They claim to have found a way around that but I am sceptical – since what is called fast charging now is actually incredibly slow. At least compared to liquid fuel vehicles. There will be demand from customers for faster and faster charging. But chemistry happens at the rate it happens. If you put too much electromotive force in the Li+ ions will bust their way through the matrix rather than diffuse through it. Or you’ll break down the electrolyte. And especially you’ll cause dendrite formation due to the path of least resistance, which results in shorts and cell failure.

  148. BorisG

    Surely there must be someone who can figure out how to get stuff from A to B quicker and in more volume.

    There are only so many trucks.

  149. OldOzzie

    How to shop for groceries if you’re isolating or over panic buyers

    B*OZE DELIVERIES BOOM

    Tipple, which partners with local independent Sydney bottle shops, has seen a huge spike in orders over the past two weeks, said head of operations Travis Barrington.

    “Last week, numerous customers were ordering in bulk — in excess of $1000 per transaction. This is unusual on our platform as customers mostly use our service for fast on-demand ordering yet we are seeing many scheduled later-day deliveries,” he said.

    Tipple has increased its delivery fleet to meet the demand, which is expected to continue as they’re already seeing daily requests from customers who are in isolation.

    Alcohol home delivery service Jimmy Brings co-founder Nathan Besser said they are actively recruiting drivers daily to meet demand.

    “We are doing our very best to keep up with demand, and introducing new procedures to maximise safety and hygiene for our team and customers,” Mr Besser said.

    He also said customers were showing patience and respect to staff.

    “While some parts of the community are reporting otherwise, we are seeing our staff and customers come together to support each other.”

    While the business has plenty of stock available, it is expecting some supply chain issues and may need to substitute items for similar products of equal or greater value.

    A GUIDE TO GETTING ESSENTIALS

    SUPERMARKET CHAINS

    Woolworths and Coles have suspended click and collect services, and Coles has stopped home delivery orders to dedicate its van network to get groceries to the most vulnerable.

    Woolworths home delivery windows are closing at record time.

    Coles has also temporarily cancelled its UberEats delivery service to improve availability in stores, a spokeswoman said, and is currently recruiting 5000 staff to help meet demand.

    Costco Australia would not comment on its online services status.

    GROCERIES

    Harris Farm is open for business online, and says there is no “unmanageable risk” to the food supply system in Australia.

    The majority of Harris farm produce is Australian and co-CEOs Tristan, Luke and Angus Harris said any short term rushes and out of stocks were likely to be just that – short term.

    Amazon Australia also offers pantry staples and beverages, including tinned food, cereals, cooking ingredients, instant meals, baby food, sauces, condiments and more.

    Online meat deliveries are available in much of Sydney, however some have been swamped by demand, such as The Meat Store, which has temporarily stopped orders until March 23.

    Others including The Meat Boutique, My Meat Online are taking orders.

    Kingsmore Meats in Rose Bay has also stepped away from online orders, instead asking customers to text so they can let them know what they have in stock.

    Owner Joel Horton said staff were working from 4am until 10pm to fill orders.

    “I’ve had so many Woolies and Coles customers in here because the shelves are empty. I think it’s a big lesson for consumers that maybe they need to support the little fellas a bit more,” Mr Horton said.

    FRESH PRODUCE

    There are loads of fresh fruit and vegetable delivery options in Sydney.

    Fruit and Veg 2u delivers to most north western suburbs of Sydney three days a week, while

    The Fruit Cart delivers seasonal boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables on a weekly or fortnightly basis.

    Sydney Fresh delivers Australian grown fruit and vegetables direct from Sydney Markets.

    Google fresh produce deliveries in your area for more.

    MINI GROCERY RUNS

    You can order some groceries and alcohol, as well as meals, via Menulog depending on which area you live, as well as UberEats. Contactless delivery is also an option.

    You can also place a job on Airtasker and get your shop done and dropped off.

    CHARITABLE HELP

    If you’re in need of food assistance, contact Foodbank on 02 9756 3099 which can help people find a charity in their area that can support them.

  150. twostix

    What will the people say when they find out Australia’s two supermarket chains (the much loved “duopoly”) only had a few days supply of food stored up on the entire continent?

    The same thing they say when they find out we’ve got 30 days of fuel stored up on in the entire continent.

    This is no way to run a nation.

    A moment of clarity is upon us.

  151. BorisG

    At Coles, their ids were checked before being let in.

    what’s the age limit?

  152. OldOzzie

    Part 2

    B*OZE DELIVERIES BOOM

    Tipple, which partners with local independent Sydney bottle shops, has seen a huge spike in orders over the past two weeks, said head of operations Travis Barrington.

    “Last week, numerous customers were ordering in bulk — in excess of $1000 per transaction. This is unusual on our platform as customers mostly use our service for fast on-demand ordering yet we are seeing many scheduled later-day deliveries,” he said.

    Tipple has increased its delivery fleet to meet the demand, which is expected to continue as they’re already seeing daily requests from customers who are in isolation.

    Alcohol home delivery service Jimmy Brings co-founder Nathan Besser said they are actively recruiting drivers daily to meet demand.

    “We are doing our very best to keep up with demand, and introducing new procedures to maximise safety and hygiene for our team and customers,” Mr Besser said.

    He also said customers were showing patience and respect to staff.

    “While some parts of the community are reporting otherwise, we are seeing our staff and customers come together to support each other.”

    While the business has plenty of stock available, it is expecting some supply chain issues and may need to substitute items for similar products of equal or greater value.

    A GUIDE TO GETTING ESSENTIALS

    SUPERMARKET CHAINS

    Woolworths and Coles have suspended click and collect services, and Coles has stopped home delivery orders to dedicate its van network to get groceries to the most vulnerable.

    Woolworths home delivery windows are closing at record time.

    Coles has also temporarily cancelled its UberEats delivery service to improve availability in stores, a spokeswoman said, and is currently recruiting 5000 staff to help meet demand.

    Costco Australia would not comment on its online services status.

    GROCERIES

    Harris Farm is open for business online, and says there is no “unmanageable risk” to the food supply system in Australia.

    The majority of Harris farm produce is Australian and co-CEOs Tristan, Luke and Angus Harris said any short term rushes and out of stocks were likely to be just that – short term.

    Amazon Australia also offers pantry staples and beverages, including tinned food, cereals, cooking ingredients, instant meals, baby food, sauces, condiments and more.

    Online meat deliveries are available in much of Sydney, however some have been swamped by demand, such as The Meat Store, which has temporarily stopped orders until March 23.

    Others including The Meat Boutique, My Meat Online are taking orders.

    Kingsmore Meats in Rose Bay has also stepped away from online orders, instead asking customers to text so they can let them know what they have in stock.

    Owner Joel Horton said staff were working from 4am until 10pm to fill orders.

    “I’ve had so many Woolies and Coles customers in here because the shelves are empty. I think it’s a big lesson for consumers that maybe they need to support the little fellas a bit more,” Mr Horton said.

    FRESH PRODUCE

    There are loads of fresh fruit and vegetable delivery options in Sydney.

    Fruit and Veg 2u delivers to most north western suburbs of Sydney three days a week, while

    The Fruit Cart delivers seasonal boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables on a weekly or fortnightly basis.

    Sydney Fresh delivers Australian grown fruit and vegetables direct from Sydney Markets.

    Google fresh produce deliveries in your area for more.

    MINI GROCERY RUNS

    You can order some groceries and alcohol, as well as meals, via Menulog depending on which area you live, as well as UberEats. Contactless delivery is also an option.

    You can also place a job on Airtasker and get your shop done and dropped off.

    CHARITABLE HELP

    If you’re in need of food assistance, contact Foodbank on 02 9756 3099 which can help people find a charity in their area that can support them.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Hilarious.
    Singapore is 76% ethnically Chinese.

    China is evil.

    Chinese genetics aren’t.

    Here endeth the lesson, xunt eyes.

  154. OldOzzie

    Part 2

    B*OZE DELIVERIES BOOM

    Tipple, which partners with local independent Sydney bottle shops, has seen a huge spike in orders over the past two weeks, said head of operations Travis Barrington.

    “Last week, numerous customers were ordering in bulk — in excess of $1000 per transaction. This is unusual on our platform as customers mostly use our service for fast on-demand ordering yet we are seeing many scheduled later-day deliveries,” he said.

    Tipple has increased its delivery fleet to meet the demand, which is expected to continue as they’re already seeing daily requests from customers who are in isolation.

    Alc*hol home delivery service Jimmy Brings co-founder Nathan Besser said they are actively recruiting drivers daily to meet demand.

    “We are doing our very best to keep up with demand, and introducing new procedures to maximise safety and hygiene for our team and customers,” Mr Besser said.

    He also said customers were showing patience and respect to staff.

    “While some parts of the community are reporting otherwise, we are seeing our staff and customers come together to support each other.”

    While the business has plenty of stock available, it is expecting some supply chain issues and may need to substitute items for similar products of equal or greater value.

    A GUIDE TO GETTING ESSENTIALS

    SUPERMARKET CHAINS

    Woolworths and Coles have suspended click and collect services, and Coles has stopped home delivery orders to dedicate its van network to get groceries to the most vulnerable.

    Woolworths home delivery windows are closing at record time.

    Coles has also temporarily cancelled its UberEats delivery service to improve availability in stores, a spokeswoman said, and is currently recruiting 5000 staff to help meet demand.

    Costco Australia would not comment on its online services status.

    GROCERIES

    Harris Farm is open for business online, and says there is no “unmanageable risk” to the food supply system in Australia.

    The majority of Harris farm produce is Australian and co-CEOs Tristan, Luke and Angus Harris said any short term rushes and out of stocks were likely to be just that – short term.

    Amazon Australia also offers pantry staples and beverages, including tinned food, cereals, cooking ingredients, instant meals, baby food, sauces, condiments and more.

    Online meat deliveries are available in much of Sydney, however some have been swamped by demand, such as The Meat Store, which has temporarily stopped orders until March 23.

    Others including The Meat Boutique, My Meat Online are taking orders.

    Kingsmore Meats in Rose Bay has also stepped away from online orders, instead asking customers to text so they can let them know what they have in stock.

    Owner Joel Horton said staff were working from 4am until 10pm to fill orders.

    “I’ve had so many Woolies and Coles customers in here because the shelves are empty. I think it’s a big lesson for consumers that maybe they need to support the little fellas a bit more,” Mr Horton said.

    FRESH PRODUCE

    There are loads of fresh fruit and vegetable delivery options in Sydney.

    Fruit and Veg 2u delivers to most north western suburbs of Sydney three days a week, while

    The Fruit Cart delivers seasonal boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables on a weekly or fortnightly basis.

    Sydney Fresh delivers Australian grown fruit and vegetables direct from Sydney Markets.

    Google fresh produce deliveries in your area for more.

    MINI GROCERY RUNS

    You can order some groceries and alc*hol, as well as meals, via Menulog depending on which area you live, as well as UberEats. Contactless delivery is also an option.

    You can also place a job on Airtasker and get your shop done and dropped off.

    CHARITABLE HELP

    If you’re in need of food assistance, contact Foodbank on 02 9756 3099 which can help people find a charity in their area that can support them.

  155. Mother Lode

    Spanish Flu Being Renamed Across the Internet to ‘1918 Influenza’ As Leftists Declare it Racist to Refer to Coronavirus as ‘Chinese’

    They had no problem with Spanish Flu for a century.

    Or German Measles.

    Or anything like that.

    But when it is China…

    Who is the racist now, dickheads.

  156. old bloke

    Winston Smith
    #3362303, posted on March 18, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    Calli:

    What have I done now, Winston? 🙂

    AAARRGGHH!
    My Noun Demon has struck again!
    I meant Ellie. She got piled on for calling people names, if you remember.

    I think you mean Cassie, Winston, she made some truthful though colourful comments about people involved in a shopping centre altercation and Arky took exception. Don’t know why, Cassie didn’t mention Kiwis.

  157. Mark A

    Magic Bronson
    #3362380, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Who are you?
    You sound like that feller from Sydney and Shanghai?

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    German military laptop sold on eBay included classified missile information
    By Christopher F. Schuetze
    March 18, 2020 — 8.00am

    Berlin: Weighing in at a hefty 5 kilograms, with a tiny 128 MB of working memory and a decades-old Pentium III processor, a used laptop recently bought by a German cyber security firm had its heyday long before the first iPhone was built.

    But the laptop’s new owner says it has one standout feature: its hard drive carried — without encryption or even password protection — a confidential user manual and schematics for a surface-to-air missile system that Germany’s air force still uses.

    “How the computer ended up on eBay is currently unclear,” Nadine Krüger, a spokeswoman for Germany’s Defence Ministry, said on Tuesday. The ministry is investigating how the laptop was sold with its hard drive intact and easily accessible.

    The systems it contained could not be used to control missiles, let alone launch them, according to ministry information.

    But its embarrassing sale on eBay underscores the major personnel and equipment problems that have plagued the German federal armed forces, which are considered a key component of NATO.

    Only about a third of its Eurofighter jets and combat helicopters fly, according to 2018 figures. Last year, just three of six submarines and well under half of its two dozen A400M transport planes were determined fit for purpose.

    The information found on the laptop’s hard drive relates to software for a surface-to-air rocket, the Ozelot, that Germany uses to protect ground troops from bombers and helicopters. The Bundeswehr did not disclose the number of Ozelots currently in service.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  159. Mitch M.

    Indigenous people in Oz could sue for all the deaths caused by epidemics of smallpox, tuberculosis, scarlet fever, influenza and measles, introduced by white settlers.

    They are already making a fortune off our culture and technology. There are plenty of them demanding more compensation so those indigenous people agree with me.

  160. Sore throat running mild temperature

    Not allowed inside until I get a call from the doctor.

    Ooooooo!
    notafan, fresh from kissing the papal parchments, streaks in for an unlikely, Hillary 3.0 victory in the Corona China Cat race!
    Lizzie on the Keys bridges BTFO
    😀

  161. There is something seriously wrong with the supply and distribution.

    Indeed.
    e.g. None of the local supermarkets have eggs. Butcher and fruit and veg shop in supermarket mall have eggs galore.
    Makes no sense.

  162. Boris

    I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mohammedans to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).

  163. Mater

    Look people. Hoarding is good. Better to have this problem now, then have it later when everyone is dropping and might need any kind of thing to feel a bit better. Its a great thing to have hoarding in March if it means no hoarding in June.

    Cute, but people are wiping their arses with their hands NOW.
    Young girls need pads, NOW.
    People need Medications, NOW.
    People need to eat, NOW.

    Need I go on?
    Don’t try to excuse this organised bullshit. I don’t give a fuck why they think it is either necessary or justified. Reasonable precautions are one thing, what we are seeing, from a select few, is quite another.

    Not only are Supermarkets now limiting their customers, based on addresses, but so are other small businesses (as of today). Such draconian measures should never have been necessary.

  164. I think Tiger is looking at this situation from the wrong perspective.
    We may have to thank the Chinkys in a couple of years when Aussies are back living in fortified, AltRight conditions guarding their stash.
    #CCPsaysHoldMyBeer, acceleration ists!

  165. Arky

    1735099
    #3362381, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:23 pm
    They quickly identified how evil China is…

    Hilarious.
    Singapore is 76% ethnically Chinese.

    ..
    It’s not about race.
    Communists are dangerous no matter what the race.

  166. Mother Lode

    They are already making a fortune off our culture and technology.

    True actually. However many there may have been who got sick the number who benefited in other ways (Western health and welfare regimes and being spared the violence, deprivation, tribal war, accidents etc that characterised pre-colonial Australia) would surely outnumber them.

    Hell, there are more Aborigines now than when the first fleet arrived – probably the sharpest increase in their population in the 2,989,562,125.775 years they have been here.

  167. I’m planning to haunt this blog if the China Flu kills me.

  168. Mark A

    Arky
    #3362379, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Beautiful, Arky,
    Well said.

  169. The AltRight stands with all Localism supporters!
    Natch

  170. Diogenes

    Makes no sense

    Yes it does.
    The local shops get it direct from supplier/wholesaler. Big chains, everything has to go to massive distribution centres, and then reloaded onto company branded trucks.

    Apple & stonefruit farmers on the Granite Belt loaded stuff on big semis & sent the stuff off to Sydney. Where it would be put onto a Woolies truck, and come back again to the local Woolies in town.

  171. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #3362379, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Beautiful, Arky,
    Well said.

    +Lots.

  172. Is there something wrong with the government buying shares in businesses being hard hit by the Wuhan Zombie Virus?
    It will give them a cash infusion and something the government can sell later if the business doesn’t go broke.
    It just seems more logical than to be lending the businesses money.

  173. Infidel Tiger

    The AltRight stands with all Localism supporters!
    Natch

    Welcome guys!

    Localism will set us free.

  174. Leo G

    Remember the idea is simply not to overwhelm our hospitals with people who need breathing assistance.

    I don’t think it’s quite that simple.
    The virus mutates rapidly. Reducing crowd contacts , isolating people with symptoms and those of their contacts who test positive to rapid diagnostic tests, selects against the more harmful strains of the virus.
    Then there is the observation that even in serious outbreaks, a high proportion of people thoroughly exposed (and across all age groups) have not been infected. Why not?

  175. Snoopy

    I wonder why TheirABC considered this festy moll newsworthy?

  176. Struth

    There is something seriously wrong with the supply and distribution. I heard the CEO Woolies I think say their distribution centre walls are not big enough but there is no shortage of food.
    Surely there must be someone who can figure out how to get stuff from A to B quicker and in more volume.

    I’ve got a Kenworth ready to go.
    A man might tow a tailer and make some money in the panic times………………….

    But that’s not how it works in transport in Australia Candy.

    I’ll stay home and my truck will do nothing.
    Too long to go into but it’s basically due to tax before you earn, so I’d need three months solid work to warrant it, or a surety few months work like a harvest..
    Most guys like me that could lend a hand, won’t.
    Can’t expect us to lose money.
    Supermarket chains use Linfox, and Toll, and the small operators and their flexibility has been crushed.
    Deal with it.
    in the old days freelance type subbies able to cart anything went where there was a market need and then elsewhere once that stopped.
    Government costs upfront and radical discriminating practices of the scalies and the like, got rid of them.

    No one gave a shit.

  177. Anthony

    Hearing rumours but can find no substantial reporting that the Don has won the Republican nomination.

  178. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3362401, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:41 pm”

    Well said Mater.

  179. OldOzzie

    Visualizing The Secret History Of A Coronavirus Bioweapon

    The below visualization The Secret History of Coronavirus Bioweapon is based on GreatGameIndia‘s exclusive report Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It

    . The Saudi SARS Sample
    . The Canadian Lab
    . Chinese Biological Espionage
    . Frank Plummer Assassination
    . Scholars or Spies
    . Weaponizing Biotech

    .

  180. You sound like that feller from Sydney and Shanghai?

    You guys are unreal.
    Is it my guy in Shanghai,JB?
    I never pick up the linguistic cues…
    Gunner blinds pot.
    I reckon JB has been around since BITD?
    CCP ALDI Jason Bourne?
    Yeah nah nah, I’m calling bullshit on that one.
    JB, get in here with the Shanghai Sling yacht series updates, pronto!

  181. Then there is the observation that even in serious outbreaks, a high proportion of people thoroughly exposed (and across all age groups) have not been infected. Why not?

    That question has been asked for every epidemic since whenever.

  182. Struth

    There is something seriously wrong with the supply and distribution. I heard the CEO Woolies I think say their distribution centre walls are not big enough but there is no shortage of food.
    Surely there must be someone who can figure out how to get stuff from A to B quicker and in more volume.

    I’ve got a Kenworth ready to go.
    A man might tow a trailer and make some money in the panic times………………….

    But that’s not how it works in transport in Australia Candy.

    I’ll stay home and my truck will do nothing.
    Too long to go into but it’s basically due to tax before you earn, so I’d need three months solid work to warrant it, or a surety few months work like a harvest..
    Most guys like me that could lend a hand, won’t.
    Can’t expect us to lose money.
    Supermarket chains use Linfox, and Toll, and the small operators and their flexibility has been crushed.
    Deal with it.
    in the old days freelance type subbies able to cart anything went where there was a market need and then elsewhere once that stopped.
    Government costs upfront and r a di cal discriminating practices of the s ca lies and the like, got rid of them.

    No one gave a shit.

  183. Zatara

    arresting Wuhan doctors who blew the whistle about the virus on social media back in December/January

    Correction: briefly detained, not arrested. Have they jailed Doctor Li, he would probably still be alive.

    Li dying of COVID-19 was quite convenient, for the CCP that is.

    How many other Doctors have died from COVID-19?

  184. Chinese genetics aren’t.

    So why are the Chinese being slagged endlessly on this site?
    It’s running at about one post in four.
    “Celestials”; “Chinks”; “Dry Cleaners”; PRC Citizens….
    Scroll up….

  185. Roger

    I had to laugh:

    The TV chef Curtis Stone does an over priced line of flavoured mince for Coles – Korean, Mexican, Italian & Chinese – for people who are too lazy to add herbs themselves

    Went on a sortie to the local today – only ones left on the shelves were the Chinese flavour.

    Consumers sending a message?

  186. bespoke

    What’s your idea of total lockdown, BorisG?

    You at home while truckies and other lowly person deliver to your door.

  187. I’m planning to haunt this blog if the China Flu kills me.
    Fk off- go to JB’s place and get all Paranormal Activity there for awhile, thanks
    Then come back with the Real China Updates.
    #ourghostreports
    It’ll be otherworldly!

  188. BorisG

    I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mouoslems to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).

  189. Des Deskperson

    The Canberra Folk Festival has been cancelled.

    A pity, if your are an observer of Canberran culture and mores, since it is usually the largest gatherings of Canberra’s – in my view unique – geezer left.

    Sure, Manning Clark House is another important venue, but in terms of the sheer size of geezer jamborees – and as a display of the subtle variations of ACT geezer progressives – the Folk Festival was the place to be.

  190. FAA Considers Enhanced Inspections After Southwest Jet Suffers Structural Problem

    If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    NSW Health this afternoon confirmed an 86-year-old man previously confirmed to have tested positive to COVID-19 had died overnight in a Sydney hospital.

  192. BorisG

    How many other Doctors have died from COVID-19?

    In Wuhan quite a few. Of course Li was an ophthalmologist, Infected by a patient.

  193. Infidel Tiger

    In Wuhan quite a few. Of course Li was an ophthalmologist, Infected by a patient.

    He was killed by the regime for speaking out.

  194. Good idea TG. The Chinese, that I know, are all edgy about ghosts.

  195. Zatara

    DrBeauGan @ 4:15

    A Doc on one of the major news networks the other day said “If you wouldn’t normally go to the Emergency Room for the flu symptoms you are suffering don’t do it now just because of the coronavirus scare. CALL your Doc instead and discuss it with him.”

    He also said to “Embrace your anti-social side as much as possible. Stay home, eat, drink, and stay uninfected.”

  196. I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mouoslems to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).

    No surprise.
    Catallaxy is a bit like Pauline.
    There’s always someone to hate.
    It simply varies as time goes on.
    And the attention span is extremely short.

  197. PRC citizens are hiring buses and touring the countryside stripping the supermarkets bare. Multiculturalism!

    FFS Fisky, never go full Bird. You may think it’s funny, but there are genuine crazy people who read and believe this rubbish.

  198. Cassie of Sydney

    “BorisG
    #3362430, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:53 pm
    I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mouoslems to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).”

    BolshevikG is looking for attention.

  199. Infidel Tiger

    I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mouoslems to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).

    Muzzies were always a distraction by the neocons to hide from us what the neoliberals were doing with the globalists.

    Muzzies are all good. We have made our peace. Real enemy is now in plain sight.

  200. Mitch M.

    incoherent rambler
    #3362422, posted on March 18, 2020 at 4:50 pm
    Then there is the observation that even in serious outbreaks, a high proportion of people thoroughly exposed (and across all age groups) have not been infected. Why not?

    That question has been asked for every epidemic since whenever.

    It is an interesting question, almost interesting enough to make me find out why but instead I’ll furiously wave my arms … .

    Our immune responses are surprisingly diverse. Those who survive an epidemic were probably infected but their immune response was so rapid the pathogen was quickly eliminated. That may not even require an antibody response, perhaps for some people the primary initial immune response is enough because if it was antibody driven response we’d find the antibodies in their blood.

  201. notafan

    Arguing with Dr I’ve been back in Australia for 6 weeks no you have to have a test; very reluctantly go to testing centre no you can’t have a test unless you have been in contact with a known corona coronavirus carrier or have returned from overseas within the last 14 days.

    Good.

    Obviously still need to keep away from chemo patient.

    End of report.

  202. Localism will set us free.
    Yep.
    “…Just walk away!…. We’ll spare your lives!!?!”
    Lord Humongous
    It’s gonna be Biblical.
    Stimps, what’s happening in Venezuela right now?
    Looks like MadMax to me!!!
    And THAT all started with blowjobs for bogrolls…
    Ripe for an altRight takeover now, yo

  203. BorisG

    What’s your idea of total lockdown, BorisG?
    You at home while truckies and other lowly person deliver to your door.

    What they did in China. When only a few people are out and about, the risk for everyone is low.

    Btw I can work from home anyway, lockdown or not. But if the society wants to beat it quickly, lockdown may be a good idea.

    They may be other options (see South Korea) but what is important is an honest discussion of options. The government does not want to do that.

  204. Roger

    Those who survive an epidemic were probably infected but their immune response was so rapid the pathogen was quickly eliminated.

    That’s what I read.

  205. Mitch M.

    Embrace your anti-social side as much as possible

    Already maxed out.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hearing rumours but can find no substantial reporting that the Don has won the Republican nomination.

    Yes, he has passed the threshold.
    Donald Trump Wins Republican Presidential Nomination with Majority of Delegates in 2020 Primary

  207. Muzzies were always a distraction by the neocons to hide from us what the neoliberals were doing with the globalists.
    Stop it,Tigers, I’m dying here!
    🤣🤣
    Anne will hear you!

  208. Mitch M.

    Roger
    #3362448, posted on March 18, 2020 at 5:00 pm
    Those who survive an epidemic were probably infected but their immune response was so rapid the pathogen was quickly eliminated.

    That’s what I read.

    Thanks Roger, I was just speculating. I must do more lateral raises in the gym so I can engage in more furious arm waving.

  209. Struth

    Spaminator is really up the shit Sinclair

  210. BorisG

    Cassie that is lashon hara

  211. Roger

    I must do more lateral raises in the gym so I can engage in more furious arm waving.

    I’m avoiding the gym but I have increased my walking and do some resistance training and weights at home.

    With cough variant asthma that is always borderline uncontrolled no matter what meds they put me on I can’t take any chances.

  212. Roger

    Spaminator is really up the shit Sinclair

    Yes, posts with no naughty words are being caught in it.

  213. Struth

    I am amazed how this pandemic overnight switched the focus of Cats‘ hatred from Mouoslems to Chinese (masqueraded as anti-communism).

    bullshit, we’ve always been against totalitarianism in all it’s forms, you monumental fuckwit

  214. I was just speculating.

    Have you considered old fashioned “good luck” i.e. statistical flukes ?

  215. TBH

    With respect to Singapore: overseas Chinese people are different culturally than mainland Chinese. They often have a deep mistrust of mainland China and especially the government. Overseas Chinese people (like from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc) I have encountered are some of the most capitalist I’ve ever met.

  216. Chris

    I am ‘self-isolating’ due to no sickness at all, I just took annual leave ’cause youngest getting married, and because I am an antisocial bastard. Or something.
    Using my time well, creating a little piece of Moroccan coffee culture starting with a deck; just tiled it all with Moroccan geometric patterns and wow they are complex. Cushioned alcove built and tiled, now paving to re-cut along the ground, a cafe blind to install and stanchions to make for stair rails.

    C’est jolie, messieurs et mesdames! Mashallah!

  217. DrBeauGan

    DrBeauGan @ 4:15

    A Doc on one of the major news networks the other day said “If you wouldn’t normally go to the Emergency Room for the flu symptoms you are suffering don’t do it now just because of the coronavirus scare. CALL your Doc instead and discuss it with him.”

    He also said to “Embrace your anti-social side as much as possible. Stay home, eat, drink, and stay uninfected.”

    I wasn’t considering a visit to the quack, zatara. Bloody dangerous place. Nearly as bad as hospitals. And my antisocial side is always running at 120%. The question is, given that I have to barely symptomatic throat lurgi, do I start on my stash now, and cancel lunch tomorrow, or do I spread it around as an act of kindness because it’s so feeble?

  218. bespoke

    This went from monty expecting his own personnel ICU to others expecting there own personal delivery drivers.

  219. Cassie of Sydney

    “BorisG
    #3362454, posted on March 18, 2020 at 5:04 pm
    Cassie that is lashon hara”

    Perhaps…but it is the truth.

  220. Infidel Tiger

    I’m going to have to start doing old school workouts; too many “students” at my gym.

    Star jumps, one arm pushups, toe touches and some shadow boxing.

  221. Leo G

    Arguing with Dr I’ve been back in Australia for 6 weeks no you have to have a test; very reluctantly go to testing centre no you can’t have a test unless you have been in contact with a known corona coronavirus carrier or have returned from overseas within the last 14 days.

    That’s rationing for you. Just have to have the right contacts.

  222. no you can’t have a test unless you have been in contact with a known corona coronavirus carrier or have returned from overseas within the last 14 days

    That’s a good way to keep the infection numbers down.
    Very BoM.

  223. Mitch M.

    incoherent rambler
    #3362458, posted on March 18, 2020 at 5:07 pm
    I was just speculating.

    Have you considered old fashioned “good luck” i.e. statistical flukes ?

    Some people get lucky but that doesn’t explain why so many don’t get infected. Variation in immune responses is vital to keep a species going because over time it is almost inevitable that a pandemic style pathogen will emerge. How does a selection pressure for such variation occur?

  224. Infidel Tiger

    “Stu dents” is now a spam word.

  225. Which reminds me. Have BoM and the CSIRO adjusted the corona figures yet?

  226. kaysee

    notafan
    #3362277, posted on March 18, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    I have decided to go to the doctor.
    Sore throat running mild temperature

    Nota, I’ve started using this as my checklist.

  227. Mitch M.

    Roger
    #3362455, posted on March 18, 2020 at 5:05 pm
    I must do more lateral raises in the gym so I can engage in more furious arm waving.

    I’m avoiding the gym but I have increased my walking and do some resistance training and weights at home.

    With cough variant asthma that is always borderline uncontrolled no matter what meds they put me on I can’t take any chances.

    I’m currently questioning the wisdom of going to the gym. The virus hangs around on metal surfaces for a long time. Just one person in the gym during the day and … .

  228. Struth

    I’m self isolating because Australia is full of fuckwits.

    And governed by Chicomwhores.

  229. There’s a lot of bullshit being flung around on this blog about how the Chinese handled the emergence of the virus.
    It was first manifested by a cluster of mysterious, suspected pneumonia cases in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.
    A Wuhan hospital notified the local center for disease control and prevention (CDC) and health commissions on 27 December 2019. On 31 December Wuhan CDC admitted that there was a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases related to Huanan Seafood Market after the unverified documents appeared on the Internet.
    The potential disease outbreak soon drew nationwide attention including that of the National Health Commission (NHC) in Beijing who sent experts to Wuhan on the following day. On 8 January, a new coronavirus was identified as the cause of the pneumonia. The sequence of the virus was soon published on an open-access database. Measures taken by China were praised by the World Health Organization (WHO) and some foreign governments.
    However, delayed and controversial responses by the Wuhan and Hubei authorities failed to contain the outbreak in the early stage which led to criticism from the public and the media. By 29 January, the virus spread to all provinces of mainland China.
    By 8 February, over 724 died from the coronavirus infection-associated pneumonia and 34,878 were confirmed to be infected. In Hubei alone, there were 24,953 cases of infections and 699 related deaths.
    All provinces of mainland China initiated the highest response level to public health emergency.
    WHO declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern” on 31 January for fear that the virus would spread beyond China to countries where there is no robust healthcare system despite its confidence that China was “doing all that it can”.
    The response was not textbook, but the delays were not significant, even if the treatment of Li Wenliang was disgraceful.
    His death was not a result of PRC malfeasance, but the risks of dealing with the virus, risks that medical professionals are very aware of. Many of them right now are facing up to the hard choices around looking after themselves and their families as against caring for their patients. For most of them the Hippocratic oath wins out, but it’s tough.
    Ask my brother who cares for a couple of hundred of senior citizens in residential care.
    The medicos are making a great deal of noise, as they must.
    They’re the people dealing with it after all.
    How we respond it up to each of us, but bullshit is not the answer.
    Alex Jones is selling a toothpaste which he reckons will cure the virus.
    Much of what is being posted here is of a similar level of credibility.

  230. Diogenes

    Bloody dangerous place

    I had to go to Quack today ( It seems I have a cyst on a kidney) – he was running 20 minutes early instead of 40 minutes late ! More staff than patients

    I have completed done my “sensible precaution”… a Bunnings run and a Frontline Hobbies run to ensure that if I do have unexpected time off, I have everything I need to complete a few projects for the model railway.

  231. Mitch M.

    Methinks you have asked the right question.

    Why do so many NOT get [insert illness here]?

  232. Arky

    I’m avoiding the gym but I have increased my walking and do some resistance training and weights at home.

    ..
    Everyone should be following my example and lowering their metabolism to get through this time.
    Couch. TV. Sleep 13 hours a day. No sex.

  233. Arky

    Apologist for chinese communists.
    Pathetic.

  234. Cassie of Sydney

    “There’s a lot of bullshit being flung around on this blog”

    Yes…we know..always flung around by you….racist.

  235. Roger

    Overseas Chinese people (like from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc) I have encountered are some of the most capitalist I’ve ever met.

    And they make very good migrants. But not in huge numbers.

    Mainland Chinese are a different kettle of fish…or bowl of bat soup, if you prefer.

  236. DrBeauGan

    Everyone should be following my example and lowering their metabolism to get through this time.
    Couch. TV. Sleep 13 hours a day. No sex.

    I could probably handling the no sex bit, but I can’t sleep more than seven hours a day. It would be four if I didn’t fill up on champlonk with dinner.

  237. bespoke

    Hay struth

    You should put the word out to your mates to some triage of there own. Like putting those that can work at home last.

  238. Porter

    I’m not going to “pray tell” you anything Porter. Ping off.

    “Pray tell” is an idiom, Calli, and my questions were serious. What gives Christian extra wisdom to ignore medical advice?

  239. Just tried to book, on behalf of out of town daughter, a venue for an event four months from now. Large premises with multiple function rooms plus restaurants and pokies.

    Events manager says no idea if can hold it as still trying to understand what gatherings of 100 exactly means. If daughters event has 70 they are not sure if that means the rest of the place can only have 30. This is despite them having dedicated function rooms. Staff don’t count apparently. They have one function room which has its own outside entrance and completely no need to enter main area. How does that count ?

    They have already removed quite a few seats to increase space between people. So if playing pokies now there is no seat next to you.

    Perhaps Sal from up North has further on this issue.

  240. Roger

    Everyone should be following my example and lowering their metabolism to get through this time.
    Couch. TV. Sleep 13 hours a day. No sex.

    I was trying to explain to my wife yesterday evening that sex improves the immune system.

    She wasn’t buying it.

    So today I’ve compiled a list of references to studies that have been done.

    Can’t wait until she gets home.

  241. No sex.

    I think you are wrong Arky.
    I’m recommending non-stop sex.

    Let’s see who survives.

  242. Mitch M.

    incoherent rambler
    #3362476, posted on March 18, 2020 at 5:19 pm
    Mitch M.

    Methinks you have asked the right question.

    Why do so many NOT get [insert illness here]?

    IR they did track down why the precious few don’t contract HIV despite multiple exposures. There are probably protective mechanisms as well.

    https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/news/310/scientists-confirm-natural-resistance-to-hiv-1

    Now, taking this landmark finding one step further, another team of researchers confirms in this week’s issue of Science that people who inherit two altered copies of the CKR5 gene avoid HIV infection even after being exposed to the virus many times. The scientists found that the 17 people in the study exposed to HIV-1 who had dual mutations in CKR5 were free of HIV infection, strongly suggesting they have a natural resistance to the virus.

    In addition, the scientists report that people who have one normal and one altered copy of CKR5 do become HIV-positive, but they tend to progress slowly to full-blown AIDS and often live longer than most people infected with the virus.

  243. bespoke

    Arky won’t miss what has’t had for a very long time.

  244. DrBeauGan

    No sex.

    I think you are wrong Arky.
    I’m recommending non-stop sex.

    Let’s see who survives.

    Even if you die of incessant shagging, Inco, you’ll have had a great time.

  245. OldOzzie

    Rep. Jim Banks: ‘Demand Reparations’ from Communist China for Coronavirus

    Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) said on Monday that the United States should begin forcing China to “pay the burden and the cost incurred” by the U.S. due to the Wuhan coronavirus.

    The Indiana lawmaker said during an appearance on Monday’s Tucker Carlson Tonight that the U.S. should place the financial burden caused by the Chinese coronavirus on China and floated several ways to do that, including China relieving a “great amount” of U.S. debt.

    “We need to start by forcing China to pay the burden and the cost incurred on the United States of America due to the coronavirus. I think there are many ways that we can do that,” Banks said.

    He continued:

  246. pete m

    But his missus won’t.

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