Dob-a-shopper

Well we now know that Covid-19 turns brains to mush. Here is Peter Dutton:

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has said a proportion of individuals stripping supermarkets of essential items will be prosecuted by the Australian Federal Police, suggesting but not confirming they are linked to criminal enterprises.

“We will come down on them like a ton of bricks … I believe they are the ones who have created this pattern of hoarding,” Mr Dutton told 2GB.

“They (Australians) are following the behaviour of people who aren’t purchasing for themselves – they’re doing it for profit, and reasons that are unacceptable.

“If you have photos, or registration numbers, or if you have instances … photos, intelligence or information, I want you to call Crime Stoppers.”

Hmmmmmm. Let’s start randomly photographing people in the street, doing their shopping, calling the cops.

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134 Responses to Dob-a-shopper

  1. Whilst it is obviously happening in the cities I think the issue came to a head due to many instances of buses or vans driving to small towns and stripping their shelves.

    It is far from random.

  2. Tim Neilson

    Breaking:
    Christian leader seen distributing large quantities of bread and fish to large crowd.
    500 person gathering limit breached.
    No known source for goods – only 5 loaves and 2 fish traceable.
    “In accordance with existing protocols related to Christian leaders we’re assuming a crime has been committed” says Graham Ashton. “We’ll leave no stone unthrown – I mean unturned – to get this person punished. If you want to make an accusation please come forward. Don’t worry about evidence, we’ll deal with that. 30 pieces of silver reward for someone whose story sticks.”

  3. Chris M

    What’s the incentive payment for ratting my neighbour to the Stasi? It’s a nice measure to bring the country together as they were urging, we can all spy on each other.

  4. Iampeter

    Individuals are stripping supermarkets of essential items because of the panic Dutton’s government has created.
    So of course you have to blame the individuals and cook up some more government action to fix the problem they created in the first place.

    Now we’re gonna have some real brawls.

  5. candy

    The trouble is that the government is shutting down this that and everything, talk of schools closing, etc, and government ministers won’t even show themselves.

    This all translates as disaster to people and so they will stock up on food. To try and blame an ethnic group is not going to help. Calling hoarders stupid and un-Australian is not going to help.

  6. Ellie

    The government is creating panic now, but wasn’t it the media first?

  7. C.L.

    LOL.
    The AFP will now be swamped with phone-pics of Asian-Australians doing the weekly shop.
    FMFD.

  8. C.L.

    The trouble is that the government is shutting down this that and everything, talk of schools closing, etc, and government ministers won’t even show themselves.

    This all translates as disaster to people and so they will stock up on food. To try and blame an ethnic group is not going to help. Calling hoarders stupid and un-Australian is not going to help.

    Absolutely right.

  9. Porter

    Hmmmmmm. Let’s start randomly photographing people in the street, doing their shopping, calling the cops.

    Poeple in regional towns know who is local and who isn’t.

  10. Stanley

    Spoke to a lady while searching for office cleaner at the Officeworks shop. She said there is now panic buying of tampons! What are the elderly going to do about that? Oh…the humanity!!

  11. Terry

    Stick to Border Control Pete.

    We’ll take care of the shopping. Thanks.

  12. Roger

    Two points:

    Several weeks ago Morrison was on the telly telling everyone to remain calm. That same day his AG, dim bulb Chrtistian Porter, was on Melbourne radio saying the government could shut down shopping centres. It was reported nationally the following day. I reckon that’s about when the panic buying strarted in the cities and from there spread to regional centres.

    If we hadn’t imported hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people from alien, low trust cultures we wouldn’t be becoming a low trust culture ourselves. Did Dutton ever bring this up with Cabinet when he was Immigration minister?

  13. Porter

    I doubt many Cats could survive two weeks in a regional town.

  14. Vicki

    Reported in the towns west of the Blue Mtns – small country grocery shops being stripped of the currently most desirable items. Maybe just ordinary citizens who have obtained minivans to do this – but who knows?

  15. Pickles

    How do the hordes know which supermarket has what and when? Because the driver does not know what is in the Pantech, only the dispatchers do.
    It seems that the manifest info is being transmitted t the hordes who are there lying in wait (like low men, hiding behind a wall) for Linfox to pull up with the magic puddings. Then taking the loot to town and selling it on facebook.

    Lindsay Fox and Ron Finemore you need to keep an eye on your troops.

  16. Vicki

    BTW having just wrecked mower blades on rocky place I should not have been mowing, have not been able to find blades “in stock” in 3 of the local towns!

    A run on mower blades? No – like every other part these days, it’s a product of the “just in time” supply philosophy! Boy, is this crisis revealing a thing or two!

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Hmmmmmm. Let’s start randomly photographing people in the street, doing their shopping, calling the cops.

    Far easier to bash them on the spot.

    Government always complicates. Free market solutions are best.

  18. Vicki

    I doubt many Cats could survive two weeks in a regional town.

    Doing our best on the land. Chooks/eggs, veggies (with supplements locally), home-made bread/cakes/cookies/pies etc etc. Meat? Up to 3 months freezer supply & same for long life milk/pantry items/tinned goods etc. No fruit off trees this year due to drought – may be a worry.

    Do have “meat on the hoof” – but are cherished stud cattle & that would be grim.

  19. Linden

    I did hear of a incident ‘hear say’ it must be said, but the re layer is an ex federal government public servant, so put what ever on it you like, that a grocery truck had backed into a load dock in a regional town somewhere up country when 3 ‘buses’ of the mini kind, filled with folks of a certain ethnic origin tried to open the trailer rear door, and were subsequently confronted by the driver who responded with the kind of action we would associate with the USA and the 2nd amendment lol Wild story who knows, but I would not surprised if a truck did get hijacked somewhere out in the country, such is Australia today.

  20. Our area in Victoristan has experienced the busloads of ‘shoppers’ in the last week, descending on every supermarket in the area. To date, there hasn’t been a report of what these ‘shoppers’ look like.

  21. Linden

    Yes and coupled with the fact the national stock herd is at the lowest number for many a long year; and farmers are wanting to re stock hence the price spiral in livestock markets. And to top it off, this morning Melbourne radio guess what, rising meat prices, especially in mince meat as the butchers have run out the lower grade cuts for it and now resorting to mincing prime beef etc. Might be time to buy some ferrets, plenty of rabbits around these parts of outer suburbia.

  22. Linden

    If it happens my bet it will be a country town when a few of the local lads arc up!

  23. FelixKruell

    What’s the crime here?

  24. Linden

    Not really because it is the driver who is one who pushing these units into the truck they are wheeled unit, and fold down when not in use. The driver would know, and the reason I know is because I have done that very work in transport in the past.

  25. Terry Andrews

    At the outbreak of SARS QLDs chief health officer advised people to stock up on food. Whats different? This time the first i heard of TP and stock piling was the ABC recommending it.

  26. Gbees

    FelixKruell
    #3364047, posted on March 19, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    What’s the crime here?

    As much as the practice pisses me off., there is none that I can see.

  27. A Lurker

    Hmmmmmm. Let’s start randomly photographing people in the street, doing their shopping, calling the cops.

    It is well known that city ‘locusts’ hire buses and travel into country towns and strip the shelves at Woolies and Coles with no regard for the needs of the local residents, many of them elderly with no capacity to travel and shop beyond their small country town.

    What needs to be done is the supermarkets need to hire a couple of hefty farm lads to stand at each entrance and demand proof of local residency from all shoppers. If you are a local, in you go, if not, then out you stay.

  28. Gbees

    Declare the practice as looting and allow the army to shoot to kill looters. That might stop it. /sarc off

  29. Linden

    No crime as such, just a lot of angry pissed off people. And you can understand it, as the far out towns where supply is not as convenient as city stores closer to the DCs’, and country folk tend to shop weekly or fortnightly rather than the pop in and out city shopper.

  30. Fisky

    We should dob these people in and hopefully Dutton’s forces will give them the short end of the baton. A good crack in the head and a swift deportation will teach these hoarders!

  31. Boambee John

    FelixKruell
    #3364047, posted on March 19, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    What’s the crime here?

    The crime(s) potentially come when the goods hit the black market.

    Failure to keep records for taxation purposes?

    Failure to collect and remit GST on the (inflated) black market prices?

  32. FelixKruell

    linden:

    No crime as such, just a lot of angry pissed off people. And you can understand it, as the far out towns where supply is not as convenient as city stores closer to the DCs’, and country folk tend to shop weekly or fortnightly rather than the pop in and out city shopper.

    Then they deserve social shaming. Not prosecution by the AFP. Dutton is in government. If he wants to criminalise stuff, he should do it. But until then, stop siccing the police on people who have committed no crime. Rule of law and all that stuff.

  33. Linden

    Tom Elliott on 3AW drive program has just said he has heard a rumor, that the minor players in the supermarket business are finding it increasingly difficult to get normal supply as the big players are leaning on them. He says he will elaborate later during his program. I presume he means IGA Foodworks etc .

  34. The Sheriff

    And precisely what law do they expect to use to prosecute people for buying “too much” at the supermarket?

  35. Roger

    Tom Elliott on 3AW drive program has just said he has heard a rumor, that the minor players in the supermarket business are finding it increasingly difficult to get normal supply as the big players are leaning on them.

    You mean leaning on their suppliers?

    It’s rumoured this is why Kaufland pulled out of Australia.

  36. Linden

    Yes precisely, be interesting to see how far Elliot expands on this.

  37. Porter

    Doing our best on the land.

    Good on you Vicki. But you’re not running around stripping the general store in your nearest town are you?

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Shop local.

    Coolies is evil.

    How many times do we have to tell people this?

  39. Roger

    Yes precisely, be interesting to see how far Elliot expands on this.

    If it’s true it’s reason for the government to look at breaking up the two big players and introducing more competition into the marketplace. Fines won’t deter them, they simply pass the cost on to cutomers.

  40. Porter

    Dutton referred to links with organised crime.

    I would also hazard a guess that there’s a measure of psychops by the Chinese (CCP) going on around here. They have plenty of mignons in Australia. In fact, I would put money on that.

  41. Our area in Victoristan has experienced the busloads of ‘shoppers’ in the last week, descending on every supermarket in the area. To date, there hasn’t been a report of what these ‘shoppers’ look like.

    To descendants of first-fleeters, now 6th generation residents of a country town, who’ve rarely seen anything but other anglo-celts, well… all Chinese look alike.

  42. Dianeh

    I doubt many Cats could survive two weeks in a regional town.

    Some of us survive it every day. Not all Cats live in the cities.

  43. And precisely what law do they expect to use to prosecute people for buying “too much” at the supermarket?

    +1
    Just when I thought I’d seen it all with video of people being tasered by police for fighting over toilet paper in K-mart, we’re now heading for the possibility of people being jailed for buying more than one toilet roll per day.

    You couldn’t have run a book on this likelihood 6 months ago!

  44. Then they deserve social shaming. Not prosecution by the AFP.

    Celestials who’ve arrived here too late in life to learn how to pronounce glottal consonants aren’t going to be susceptible to social shaming – not when it’s coming from anglo-celts.
    I look forward to reading with amusement of the The Age of the first prosecution brought against a “Toilet Paper Purchasing Syndicate”

    At the current speed of parliaments, the Toilet Paper Speculation Act will be signed into law by the end of 2022, at which time prosecutions will be able to commence.

  45. Hugh

    Let the free market solve the problem.

    Allow Woolies, etc to raise the price of toilet paper, etc, to the point where supply equals demand.

    That motivates buyers to find ways to economise on toilet paper, etc, and new suppliers to find ways to enter the market with close substitutes. (Hoarders are circuit-breakers, anticipating intelligently the frictions wrought by price regulations.)

    In this blissful state of affairs, the shelves are full again, those who want toilet paper enough are satisfied and, by gum, we may discover new ways of producing PGTP (pretty good toilet paper).

    It’s a virtuous cycle, and the government has to do bugger all!

    Eco 101.

  46. Porter

    IT if you live in a small town on a pension your local general store has hugely inflated prices (they pay lots for freight and can’t bulk buy at discount prices like Coles) so you buy one or two items three in emergencies. You rely on a weekly or fortnightly trip to a nearby regional centre. Sometimes that may only have a Coles or a Woolies or just one big player with affordable goods. Aldi I know has been a godsend for many aged or disabled living in regional towns. You can’t go to special pension hours because you rely on virtually non existent public transport. Even if you had a car – big if – you can’t afford to do a run up to the next town at a whim. They don’t have family or a social network who can shop for them. They are also unlikely to be reading this as they can’t afford internet of any sort or if they can it would be so patchy. One of the reasons they all congregate there is because they can’t afford to live anywhere else and even then the wait lists for rental properties is usually around 12 months with lots of hidden homelessness. One agent told me this morning homelessness in her region has more or less doubled in the past year.
    Sure there are a few graziers and farmers who are loaded and the smarmy smug boutique farmers and tree changers but there’s an entire forgotten underclass in regional areas who don’t have a choice and who have no advocates. Talk to some of these people and you realise many of them were once just like you. It doesn’t take much to end up on the scrap heap.

  47. Professer Fred Lenin

    “Ok Luigi we buy alla de toilet paper ,everybody shita so we sella at bigga profit” Its a mafia thing see

  48. Porter

    Dianeh, I am not concerned about people who own their own house, have their own transport and a steady income or sufficient capital to absorb some economic shocks.

  49. Vicki

    Porter – As I have said many times on various threads, I have been anticipating this crisis since early in the year – & have stocked up accordingly over the past couple of months.

    I am, however, surprised at the extent of the anxiety in the bush over the last week or two. I feel that our risk profile out of the capital cities is pretty low – although not completely secure – as the couple of infections in Orange and Mudgee demonstrate.

  50. FelixKruell
    #3364047, posted on March 19, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    What’s the crime here?

    Crimes against humanity and a civilised world.

  51. Mignons! That’s the trouble…they’ve run out!

  52. Porter

    IT if you live in a small town on a pension your local general store has hugely inflated prices (they pay lots for freight and can’t bulk buy at discount prices like the big plyers) so you buy one or two items in emergencies. You rely on a weekly or fortnightly trip to a nearby regional centre. Sometimes that may only have a Col es or a Wo ol ies or just one big player with affordable goods. Al di I know has been a godsend for many aged or disabled living in regional towns. You can’t go to special pension hours because you rely on virtually non-existent public transport. Even if you had a car – big if – you can’t afford to do a run up to the next town at a whim. They don’t have family or a social network who can shop for them. They are also unlikely to be reading this as they can’t afford internet of any sort or if they can, it would be so patchy. One of the reasons they all congregate there is because they can’t afford to live anywhere else and even then the wait lists for rental properties in these rental properties is usually around 12 months with lots of hidden homelessness. One agent said this morning homelessness in her region has more or less doubled in the past year.
    Sure there are a few gra z iers and farmers who are loaded and the smarmy smug boutique farmers and tree changers plus the comfortably retired with adult kids who top up but there’s an entire forgotten underclass in regional areas who don’t have a choice and who have no advocates. It doesn’t take much to send these people over the edge into utter destitution or homelessness. Talk to some of these people and you realise many of them were once just like you with homes, jobs, families, some superbly educated. It doesn’t take much to end up on the scrap heap being laughed at by people on Catallaxy.

  53. Porter

    Cui Bono
    #3364177, posted on March 19, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    Ha ha.

  54. FelixKruell

    Bemused:

    Crimes against humanity and a civilised world.

    I prefer my crimes (and laws) to be a little more specific…you know, otherwise anyone not supporting Net Zero emissions by Thursday would be sent to a re-education camp.

  55. “They (Australians) are following the behaviour of people who aren’t purchasing for themselves – they’re doing it for profit, and reasons that are unacceptable.

    “If you have photos, or registration numbers, or if you have instances … photos, intelligence or information, I want you to call Crime Stoppers.”

    Get an AFP intern sitting on the phone with a gumtree account.
    Then phone all those people advertising toilet paper for sale.
    Personally saw one b****tard selling a pack for $1000, hearsay of another selling a pack for $5000!!!

  56. Tel

    “We will come down on them like a ton of bricks … I believe they are the ones who have created this pattern of hoarding,” Mr Dutton told 2GB.

    Under the nonexistent Commonwealth power that allows them to retrospectively decide how much you should have bought after you bought it … without telling anyone what the limit is, oh and also without passing any relevant legislation either. Well that all makes sense, now we know why everyone was so nervous about Dutton being PM.

    “They (Australians) are following the behaviour of people who aren’t purchasing for themselves – they’re doing it for profit, and reasons that are unacceptable.

    Oh, that other nonexistent Commonwealth power involving who is allowed to make a profit and the secret legislation that explains which profits are acceptable and which are not.

    The saddest thing is I’m sure none of the reporters so much as questioned this.

  57. Professer Fred Lenin

    Last Saturday at my local Aldi,they had 4roll packs of toilet paper in the afternoon ,I went t there to get a few things , it was mobbed with mid east looters I got my one pack of toilet paper and went to the checkout,four open , all mobbed ,the staff and I were the only Europeans there, each checkout was full on toilet roll packs confiscated by the one per person rule . I thought I was in bloody Bagdhad or some place in Shitholestan .
    Cultimulturism ,we give you bollards .mosques and lots of non English speaking illiterate peasants thanks Soros and his purchased politicians , you bastards !

  58. Mater

    What’s the crime here?

    No crime in stripping a town of its supplies.

    What these people don’t seem to fathom is that; with freedom, comes responsibility.
    Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Not abiding by this is where big/draconian governments comes from.

  59. Mother Lode

    Not sure how the federal government could have jurisdiction.

    But it is interesting to see the government always sees the solution as…government.

    The problem is a breakdown in civic mindedness and a trust and respect for people you have never even met. Not so much on an individual level, but the great sea of people you daily wade through.

    The living tissue of a society is the people. Luis Borges had this expression “The universe is a perfect sphere with its edges nowhere and its centre everywhere.”

    This centralised and imposed response to everything is the cold dead hand of government. Making people more suspicious of each other and feeling they are being spied upon will make things worse.

  60. Linden

    Yes the forgotten bush. Farming families are not what they used to be, many years ago for instance the Benalla & District Foot league consisted of teams from small rural communities spread out between Shepparton and Wangaratta way off the main highways. All gone today and so have the younger generation leaving only the ‘old timers’. With all the green wedge politics being played out in our parliaments today, pandering to the inner city hippy greenie wacko vote, many must wonder why they even bothered. The only consolation I can think of is that they lived their lives during a period and these lovely old places when things were vastly different and were thriving little communities.

  61. Robbo

    Amazing that all of the so-called freethinkers are lining up to bash Dutton because he has the temerity to suggest that people who are stripping supermarket shelves should be identified and prosecuted for hoarding. The reality is that that most Australians are well and truly fed up up with the activities of these selfish morons and they want it stopped ASAP. Dutton is speaking for them and good on him for doing so.

  62. H B Bear

    Coles and Woolies bullying suppliers?

    Tell me it isn’t so. Apparently even Coke was ready to walk away.

  63. H B Bear

    Nothing free market about looting.

    Take your straw man and piss off.

  64. calli

    A couple of months ago, millions upon millions was raised to provide relief for places stricken by bushfires.

    Fast forward to thus week, and those same recovering people are finding city locusts are cleaning out local shops of everything.

    But I doubt the hands that delved deep into pockets are the same ones sweeping goods off shelves.

    We thought we might have two different Australias. Now we know.

  65. Pyrmotner

    Dutton is outrageous; as over the top in his authoritarianism as the government has been slow in acting when milder action might have minimised infringement on liberty and the economic costs that flow from these precautionary measures.

    The ACCC is only marginally better, telling consumers there aren’t anti-gouging laws, while hinting they’d like to make an example of someone on the general ‘unconsionability’ ground. (And elsehwere suggesting refund rights that cash-pressed businesses can’t honour)

    In some limited circumstances excessive pricing may be unconscionable, for example where the product is critical to the health or safety of vulnerable consumers.

    https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/covid-19-coronavirus-information-for-consumers

    Remember everyone, absent coercion, mistake, fraud or external costs, transactions involvign voluntary exchange benefit both parties.

  66. Pyrmonter

    @ TimN – very droll.

    @ Felix – yes. What is the ‘crime’ imagined by Dutton. Failing to sell at a ‘fair’ price? I’d never have taken him for a distributionist.

    @ CL – welcome agreement.

  67. Lee

    My older brother, who lives in south-western Victoria, mentioned the other day that busloads of people from Melbourne came into his town and stripped the shelves of their three main supermarkets of all the usual stuff in short supply and high demand.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the locals, none for the fly-ins.

  68. stackja

    Rationing during World War II in Australia was a fact of life for all civilians.
    Ration coupons were needed.
    Most Australians complied.
    MSM hysteria is not helping now.

  69. John A

    Meanwhile from yesterday’s news.com.au feed, yet another exercise in “beside the point of the whole thing”:

    CORONAVIRUS
    AFL season to begin as scheduled
    The AFL season will begin on Thursday night after the league’s commission made arguably the boldest call in its history.
    By COURTNEY WALSH, JOHN FERGUSON

  70. H B Bear

    Prediction – there won’t be a single prosecution for this.

    Dutton is clearly delusional and should be stripped of office.

  71. nfw

    Dutton is talking tough ’cause that’s what everybody wants to hear. What a tough guy he is. Would like to know under what laws he is proposing his Soviet state measures? Oh, that’s right, none. Yeah. But my question is: what about the koalas?

  72. Herodotus

    The crime here is that Felix the cruel is allowed to crap on.

  73. Herodotus

    There’s no limits to who can play the deplatforming game, except here.

  74. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    If only Tubbs and Edward were real characters who ran a local shop for local people in one of these regional locales.

  75. Herodotus

    Had it with treating the left as if they were genuine participants in a discussion. The left ran out of useful thoughts a long time ago. They are only online to fuck up your system.

  76. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    But my question is: what about the koalas?

    They’ve all been incinerated and the ones on Kangaroo island that weren’t are struggling with terminal syphilis.

    But, yeah, my local shoppe has no dunny paper – watcha gunna do about it, Dutto!

  77. FelixKruell

    Herodotus:

    Had it with treating the left as if they were genuine participants in a discussion. The left ran out of useful thoughts a long time ago. They are only online to fuck up your system.

    Your lack of self awareness is just precious…

  78. Yarpos

    Sèems reasonable if you see two busliads of people pull up and descdnd on a supermarket, as is happening in tegional VIC

  79. Pyrmotner

    @ Spurgeon

    The ones on KI are a pest species and inbred. But they’re chlamydia free.

    Tubbs and Edward are alive, and office bearers in the revived Royston Vasey Conservative Assocation, now with a Tory MP for the first time since 1935.

  80. Faye

    Week ago, husband shopping in Coles, noticed an Asian lass (student age) holding up her phone walking calmly along taking pictures of the aisles shelves. He had no idea of what she was doing. As he continued shopping he lost sight of her after about four aisles.
    All I know is, Dutton has more information than any of us. If a group of people are playing us for suckers and we don’t take retaliatory action, then we would be as weak as the p**s.

  81. notafan

    The bus loads speaks of organisation.

    I dare say upthread mention of organised tax evasion is the issue.

    Else why not buy wholesale to resell?

    I remember one article on the ABC website where a young woman claimed she was netting $3,000 a week doing 3 days a week as a personal shopper.

  82. notafan

    I suspect there might also be dealing in prescription medications though that hasn’t hit the headlines.

  83. Chris M

    Under the nonexistent Commonwealth power that allows them…

    Tax and Centrelink audit. That will sort them, don’t need new laws.

  84. Iampeter

    Had it with treating the left as if they were genuine participants in a discussion. The left ran out of useful thoughts a long time ago. They are only online to fuck up your system.

    Hey, just curious, do you support Trump and regulating trade and immigration?

    Just wanna do a quick spot check for how “not left wing” you are.

  85. Porter

    Medications made the headlines today notafan. Panadol etc now behind the counter. Some prescription meds in short supply thanks to idiotarians like Vic health who say stock up.

  86. notafan

    Buses

    Chinese.

    But silence.

  87. Squirrel

    Time for ABC and/or Seven to re-run the Foyle’s War episodes about black marketeers, and how they were dealt with in those days.

    This is not funny, it’s not the “free market” at work – it’s panic being exploited and fuelled by scumbags and a-holes.

  88. calli

    Dad was onto the black market stuff pretty early. He suspected based on experience from long, long ago.

    We are regressing as a country.

  89. Porter

    The bus loads speaks of organisation.

    All the reports I have had personally from friends and colleagues in regional towns have been of organised busloads or vans. Always ‘Asian’ – either Chinese or Indian/Pakistani. The house full of Indian guys up our street have suddenly disappeared. Hmm.

  90. Herodotus

    Your lack of self awareness is just precious…
    People here are very aware of you, dickshit.

  91. notafan

    We should also remember I think that the supply chain can be supply controlled end-to-end by foreign nationals.

    The financing the purchasing the pack & ship and the international transport company

  92. Porter

    The irony is we have plenty of food, enough to feed 50 million in the country. I say food is like oxygen masks, first secure for your own family and then help others.

  93. Herodotus

    Just wanna do a quick spot check for how “not left wing” you are.
    Just do a quick spot check yourself whether you have testicles, since your modus operandi is camped on this site and trolling every day, every hour.
    Sinc owns you, and the rest of the turds rolling down the page.

  94. Leo G

    Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has said a proportion of individuals stripping supermarkets of essential items …

    Oh! Does that mean the hens haven’t stopped laying?

  95. A Lurker

    All the reports I have had personally from friends and colleagues in regional towns have been of organised busloads or vans. Always ‘Asian’ – either Chinese or Indian/Pakistani. The house full of Indian guys up our street have suddenly disappeared. Hmm.

    They are well named as locusts, flying in from elsewhere and utterly denuding a field of crops. I would hazard a guess that most have little to no care for Australia or Australians. This country is just a cash cow that they milk for profit. I would guess too that the majority of them hold the rest of us in contempt. They aren’t Aussies, their allegiance lies elsewhere.

  96. Docket62

    Local butcher has plenty of food, green grocer – full, fisho- ditto. Sure there’s no jars of shit pasta paste or 14 year old pasta on the shelves but seriously? Buy local, buy fresh, buy daily – we’ve been doing this for 20 years and only set foot in a supermarket when we have to for the basics..and our locals know who the locals are and aren’t selling large amounts to blow ins. There’s plenty out there if you know where to look. All the tards go to ‘Woollies’ or ‘Coles’ because thats the intelligence level. There are markets out there, locally and city based. FFS people.. its not that hard. We have food for 75 M people….and Toilet paper for 250M!

  97. notafan

    Only the well of and idle can buy fresh buy local buy daily.

    #letthemeatcake

  98. Lee

    Hey, just curious, do you support Trump and regulating trade and immigration?

    Of course immigration should be regulated, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Harry could enter the country.

    Only a leftist or a moron would be in favour of open borders.

  99. Mater

    Local butcher has plenty of food, green grocer – full, fisho- ditto. Sure there’s no jars of shit pasta paste or 14 year old pasta on the shelves but seriously? Buy local, buy fresh, buy daily – we’ve been doing this for 20 years and only set foot in a supermarket when we have to for the basics..and our locals know who the locals are and aren’t selling large amounts to blow ins.

    Docket,
    The buses emptied both our independent town butchers, too. Consequently, they now also check IDs.
    There is no escaping the locusts. The shops are now being forced to discriminate if they are to supply their regulars.
    Nowhere is safe from them.

  100. Roger

    The shops are now being forced to discriminate if they are to supply their regulars.

    Discriminating in favour of their local regulars is a good thing.

    A shop keeper still has a right to do so.

  101. Crossie

    Ellie
    #3363985, posted on March 19, 2020 at 2:18 pm
    The government is creating panic now, but wasn’t it the media first?

    The same media that egged on and shamed the pollies just to make life hard for ScoMo but then again he also wanted to please them, to be loved by them. He should have given them the bird in December and got everyone else’s respect.

  102. mark jones

    This all could have been stopped in a heartbeat. The manager only has to close the self serve lanes, open up the cash registers and limit ALL purchase to NON-COMMERCIAL quantities. If there is any grumbling then refer to the standard rule, the shop owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone at his discretion. End of story!

    The locusts need to be followed back to their nest…a good job for an investigative journalist or three

  103. calli

    a good job for an investigative journalist or three

    And then we laughed, and laughed and laughed.

    It will only happen if a shopper does a greasy at a trannie.

  104. Crossie

    Vicki
    #3364017, posted on March 19, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    BTW having just wrecked mower blades on rocky place I should not have been mowing, have not been able to find blades “in stock” in 3 of the local towns!

    A run on mower blades? No – like every other part these days, it’s a product of the “just in time” supply philosophy! Boy, is this crisis revealing a thing or two!

    The shops used to tell Melbournians the parts were coming from Sydney and Sydneysiders that the supply had to come from Melbourne when they were coming from China.

    Even the car dealers will not tell you where the cats are coming from. We bought a new Ford a couple of years ago and because we wanted a colour that was not in stock anywhere in Australia we had to wait three months for it. While waiting we kept getting emails on the car’s progress: being manufactured, being loaded on a ship and another email when it arrived. A lot of details were given though the only thing the emails never mentioned was where the car was being made. I’m starting to think it might have been China otherwise they would have made a bit of it.

  105. Mother Lode

    What they should be doing is allaying people’s fears. Tell them once people who are susceptible to panicking will soon run out of space to hoard and only buy at the rate they normally consume – we are looking at two weeks, not six months. The supplies are there and will be there, the bottleneck has been shelf space not supplies.

    This is the sensible sober way of thinking. If you want, it is the Aussie way.

    Incidentally this would also be a major hit for black marketeers – with the panic gone their stash becomes almost worthless – why buy from some greasy shyster when you can go to a shop with all the legal protections, assurances, and guarantees.

    Let the hoarders become a joke.

    If there are laws broken then prosecute as a matter of course, but don’t bend laws to get after bad people.

    Frankly the only downer is that there are so many laws preventing shops telling busloads of locusts to sod off as they ought to be entitled to do. They can cry ‘raaaaacism’ or whatever phobia they want. But that legal overreach will not be negated by more laws – it would just mean two legal dodges were now available, rather than the single current one. I don’t expect any politician would understand that the items on the shelves are an ‘invitation to treat’ and shopkeepers are not contractually bound to sell items presented to cashiers.

    And finally – Epstein did not kill himself.

  106. Crossie

    mark jones
    #3364587, posted on March 19, 2020 at 7:50 pm
    This all could have been stopped in a heartbeat. The manager only has to close the self serve lanes, open up the cash registers and limit ALL purchase to NON-COMMERCIAL quantities. If there is any grumbling then refer to the standard rule, the shop owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone at his discretion. End of story!

    The locusts need to be followed back to their nest…a good job for an investigative journalist or three

    What a thought, journalists do actual investigation? They only pick what’s on Twitter that someone else has written and run with it.

  107. Boambee John

    Lee

    Only a leftist or a moron would be in favour of open borders.

    Tautology?

  108. Crossie

    You couldn’t have run a book on this likelihood 6 months ago!

    Or even six weeks ago.

  109. Crossie

    Hugh
    #3364145, posted on March 19, 2020 at 3:47 pm
    Let the free market solve the problem.

    Allow Woolies, etc to raise the price of toilet paper, etc, to the point where supply equals demand.

    Brilliant, just price pensioners out of the market.

  110. Mother Lode

    What a thought, journalists do actual investigation? They only pick what’s on Twitter that someone else has written and run with it.

    J’ism-ists learn how media works, not the world. Things like scepticism, curiosity, investigation, much less a healthy suspicion of people who say to trust them – they have everything under control.

    Unskilled in anything other than cobbling together reports, they must resort to reporting their own thoughts.

    Hence j’ism consists of laboriously constructed third year uni student posturing.

  111. Porter

    They aren’t Aussies, their allegiance lies elsewhere.

    Some are genuine. But down here there was certainly a racket of fake Indian students who were here milking the loopholes in the law and more recently hoardes of Chinese. When the city council puts up parking signs in Chinese (as ours has) and the Australian publishes a Chinese version (as it does) then you know you have a problem.

  112. Porter

    calli
    #3364235, posted on March 19, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    Spot on, Calli.

  113. Crossie

    Get an AFP intern sitting on the phone with a gumtree account.
    Then phone all those people advertising toilet paper for sale.
    Personally saw one b****tard selling a pack for $1000, hearsay of another selling a pack for $5000!!!

    See, this can be done from you desk just like journalism, no need to pound the beat.

  114. Crossie

    Cultimulturism ,we give you bollards .mosques and lots of non English speaking illiterate peasants thanks Soros and his purchased politicians , you bastards !

    Prof Fred, Soros doesn’t have as much influence here as in the US, for this we can thank Kevin and Julia though Tony, Malcolm and ScoMo haven’t done much to stop it either. Stopping the boats was fine but then hundreds of thousands per year arrived by plane, it would have been easier to accept the boats and stop the planes.

  115. Porter

    Brilliant, just price pensioners out of the market.

    Or start a loyalty program. Photo id of being a local get normal price (advertised as discount) but with a limit say 2 per person. Everyone else $10000 per bog roll. Of course they will try fake IDs or some locals will sell their ids but a split price mechanism might work. And then just keep changing the strategy daily so they don’t know what to expect. I also like the Queensland Aldani option.

  116. notafan

    Very cumbersome and unnecessary when purchase limits are already in place.

    And offering for sale is not the same as successfully selling.

    On eBay you could buy quilton toilet paper in bulk lots for normal prices

  117. notafan

    I had a look on Gumtree and there are hardly any ads for toilet paper wherever it’s being a sold it doesn’t appear to be domestically

  118. Crossie

    calli
    #3364235, posted on March 19, 2020 at 4:29 pm
    A couple of months ago, millions upon millions was raised to provide relief for places stricken by bushfires.

    Fast forward to thus week, and those same recovering people are finding city locusts are cleaning out local shops of everything.

    But I doubt the hands that delved deep into pockets are the same ones sweeping goods off shelves.

    We thought we might have two different Australias. Now we know.

    There are always those ready to exploit a crisis though these days they abound.

  119. Crossie

    Porter
    #3364499, posted on March 19, 2020 at 6:33 pm
    The bus loads speaks of organisation.

    All the reports I have had personally from friends and colleagues in regional towns have been of organised busloads or vans. Always ‘Asian’ – either Chinese or Indian/Pakistani. The house full of Indian guys up our street have suddenly disappeared. Hmm.

    Yesterday we went to our nearest Costco, we arrived at 10:40 am, forty minutes after opening. You couldn’t move and hundreds of trolleys were already lined up to the checkouts. The line of trolleys snaked throughout the store all around the aisles. We couldn’t even get to the toilet paper aisle. We decided to go home and as we were walking out we could hear a fight breaking out somewhere in the store. And yes, most of the shoppers were Indian/Pakistani.

  120. Docket62

    Only the well of and idle can buy fresh buy local buy daily“

    Obviously living in the ‘burbs of Melbourne we have an abundance of wealthy and/or idle people who have the startling ability to choose fresh over shit. Personally I’m notafan of supermarkets

  121. Porter

    Very cumbersome and unnecessary when purchase limits are already in place.

    All they do as the lot someone told be about today was go in individually and buy the maximum. In a big store you can go through two or three times each. The only down side to the inflated price signal is people getting mugged for toilet paper. Police should be milling around car parks not inside.

  122. Scott Osmond

    If the stuff being stripped is being sold for profit then it’s a tax issue. If it’s being sent overseas to China like the formula was then it’s an export issue. From what I’m hearing it’s not skippy and his kind doing this it’s the low trust imports. I heard Scotty doing his stern knock it off speech and I couldn’t help laughing. Mid level managers with low charisma should never be promoted to leadership positions. No one takes them seriously.

  123. yarpos

    I summary , I think Sinc needs to get out of his inner city soy latte bubble a bit more often.

  124. Tel

    … a good job for an investigative journalist or three

    There was an investigative journalist called Assange … stuck his nose into all sorts of naughty business … published a bunch of interesting details … upset some powerful people.

    Seems to have made himself a tiny bit unpopular. You know there’s old journalists and there’s bold journalists but the bold ones tend to get weeded out.

  125. Andrew

    This is not a government overreach issue. This is a critical problem that has to be addressed before society panics and unravels. Most supermarkets in the melbourne have been empty for the last week. Ordinary people are not even getting normal supplies of food. Yet the supermarkets report demand has doubled. Are ordinary people buying double?? I think not.

    Increasingly now we’ve seen organized gangs of “shoppers” strip suburban supermarkets clear and load up the vehicles with multiple trolley loads.

    This has now spread to the bush where we’ve seen hired buses filled with urban chinese drive out to rural areas and strip the local supermarket bare before driving on to the next town and repeating. This is the reality. 2GB had photographs of this in the morning (now curiously “removed”) and numerous people I know have knowledge of this both in victoria and nsw.

    Telling ordinary australians to knock off the shopping spree when ordinary australians are increasingly not able to get food for themselves due to gangs is not on. If this issue of black market shopping gangs is not immediately dealt with there will be chaos. I APPLAUD the government for dob in a shopper. The writer of this article should also.

  126. Aussie

    Nice for you Sinc
    When your ONLY local supermarket gets raided by 3 Melb Workcover Inspectors with 5 trollies of goodies
    Got caught by the locals photographed and number plates as well
    Left with nothing and were reported to Head Office
    Word is they did it elsewhere

    Happened in the Mallee as well

    Only in Victoriastan

  127. Ellie

    The Friedman conference (22 – 24 May 2020) has been cancelled. 😔

  128. Iampeter

    Your lack of self awareness is just precious…
    People here are very aware of you, dickshit.

    People here aren’t aware of anything.

    Sinc owns you, and the rest of the turds rolling down the page.

    Yea totally. Capitalists and right wingers are just “turds” on a capitalist and right wing blog.
    We need more politically illiterate leftards, Infowars spergs and crackpots like you.

  129. The BigBlueCat

    And in other free-market news, you can buy dunny rolls on eBay … they cost a bit …. ah, entrepreneurs and micro-economics …

  130. Quibbler

    This is interesting. Last week the IGA of a country town in the SW of WA put a post on Facebook announcing that they had loads of toilet paper and to come on down. I’m wondering if they have since regretted it.

  131. Dan

    This happened in Waurn Ponds (Geelong) this morning. Bus load of Chinese. Time for them to run the gauntlet?

  132. Ed Case

    This all could have been stopped in a heartbeat. The manager only has to close the self serve lanes, open up the cash registers and limit ALL purchase to NON-COMMERCIAL quantities.

    Keep in mind that the grocery wholesalers disappeared 40+ years ago.
    Chinese/subcontinental sole trader shopkeepers have always done their dry goods shopping in bulk at the supermarkets.
    They’re just trying to have some stock in case the supermarkets close.

  133. Dan

    @Ed Case

    I doubt this is the primary cause. Most of them will be working for what are now large daigou companies sending individual shipments to China for significant profits.

    When we say we have enough to supply everyone here, that’s true, but we don’t have enough to supply even a tiny proportion of China too.

    They (daigou) started this ‘panic buying’ in the first place. Except is wasn’t a panic then, it was profiteering. For the media to paint this as ‘hoarding’ is just not right. There is some hoarding now, no doubt, but that has almost become become rational behaviour.

    This line was far enough down the article to have slipped through ABC censors.

    Russell Zimmerman, the Australian Retailers Association executive director, said the stockpiling of groceries initially started in some suburbs in major cities with large Asian communities.

    ABC article on bulk buying

    I’m sure there’ll be some particularly rabid libertarians who will defend the free market here but it isn’t a free market, it’s a highly distorted one.

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