Thursday Forum: March 26, 2020

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  1. NoFixedAddress

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3378513, posted on March 27, 2020 at 7:50 am

    Sigh.

    If I may, apropos of State and Territory border closures:

    Go have a look at the legislation around it in whichever joint you live. There’ll be existing State law, almost exclusively labelled ‘Public Health Act’ or similar, or have ‘environment’ or something in the title.

    So the Australian Constitution is meaningless

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    Remove a person or thing from ‘a place’ (this should raise antenna everywhere. Not a public place, not a licensed premises, not a particular place for a specific reason. A place. In other words, fucking everywhere).

    Prevent entry to a place. Stop. Require ID and purpose of movement. Search people. Vehicles. Vessels. Aircraft. Property. And there’s plenty more of this sort of thing. All legislated, and all waved through in times of non-crisis buried in other tabled and passed as law in times of non-crisis, and without a peep from anybody.

    And the CMO under those Acts all delegate these powers to the jacks.

    Go and have a look. It’s all there. This is why the borders have closed. Prevention of entry to ‘a place’.

  3. johanna

    KD, the way they get around it is that, while they can’t legally stop someone from crossing a border, the receiving State can legally clap you in irons as soon as you do.

    They call it quarantine.

  4. struth

    The state laws are invalid against the wording in 117.
    Read it.
    If they go against it in any way they are invalid.
    If you are a south Australian and you are entering SA and they allow it but don’t allow some else based on living outside state…..that 117 invalidates it.
    Quarantine rules at borders must apply to all not based on where you live in Commonwealth.
    It’s quite clear.
    Now off to work.

  5. Knuckle Dragger

    And with all due respect to people who threaten to run the border control points in B-doubles or better, you will never, ever win a Constitution versus State law argument while you’re on the ground next to a major highway.

    It isn’t ‘shouldn’t’ or ‘might not’. You just won’t win waving s117 (which I happen to agree with, along with 92) at a dozen border jacks pissed off because they drew the short straw and won’t get a root that night. Well, not from who they expected, anyway.

    What you are going to get, however, is 20 shredded expensive tyres, and if you’re extremely fortunate a bit of footage on the news should you accidentally pick a time when a media crew happen to be there.

    National hero, or anti-hero status will not await you. You won’t become a symbol of the resistance. You’ll just be the bloke who drove over the shredders after being asked not to, and got a few punters a bit of unexpected double-time.

  6. mh

    The Aussie Doctors are coming home after a few weeks cruising.

    They will be boarding a government charter flight from Santiago to Sydney sometime soon.

    Bringing back our boys! 🥳 🎈 🎉

  7. Nick

    The amount of Jacinda is amazing, Trump is an idiot, articles in the media, is amazing. No mention of Winnie for some reason,

  8. NoFixedAddress

    And I laughed and laughed and laughed

    Former prime minister Gordon Brown has called for the creation of a temporary form of global government to be assembled to provide a unified body to tackle coronavirus.

    Such an organisation could tackle the spread of the virus, coordinate production and distribution of essential equipment, and help deal with the economic fallout from the pandemic, he said.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-gordon-brown-calls-for-new-global-government-to-fight-impact-of-covid-19/ar-BB11JU79

  9. Farmer Gez

    I’m off to town to get milk and check out the SM4TP.
    I’m like the Punk and Harry Callahan is reality.

  10. johanna

    struth, it is arguable whether the wording of individual quarantine provisions are invalid – I don’t think they have ever been tested. Quite likely some of them are. In the current example, I should say almost certainly so.

    But the principle of quarantine is not automatically invalid.

  11. Bar Beach Swimmer

    If I may, apropos of State and Territory border closures:
    There’ll be existing State law, almost exclusively labelled ‘Public Health Act’ or similar, or have ‘environment’ or something in the title.

    KD, when the other half arrived at Perth airport on Wednesday the police checked his temperature which was ok, and only because he had been classified as an “Essential Worker” and was going north on a connecting flight, was he admitted to the State.

  12. Knuckle Dragger

    Don’t get me wrong.

    I really think all this massive power should only barely be in the hands of people who know what to do with it, let alone a cheesedick dictatordoctor whose only tribulation in the last 30 years was the fee rise at Timbertop.

    I think there’s a massive argument that the Consty well and truly overrides the State laws, and that WHEN TESTED will win – and win bigly. If someone wants to put their hand up and make that HCA argument I’ll back it in to the hilt.

    We’ve lived soft for too long, didn’t realise the big powers that had been given to little people and are now paying for it.

  13. rickw

    Chinese Communist Party
    Totalitarian / Virus / IP Theft / Pollution / Organ Harvesting – IMPORT TARIFF

    What % should Australia set it at?
    What % should the rest of the world set it at?

    Smash the CCP!

  14. stackja

    Tom interruptus bad this morning.

  15. 1735099

    You will become a symbol of the resistance.

    Unlikely, but you will qualify for a Darwin Award.

  16. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Such an organisation could tackle the spread of the virus, coordinate production and distribution of essential equipment, and help deal with the economic fallout from the pandemic, he said.

    And cancel out Brexit.

  17. mh

    Currently it looks like Matrix Transform, but if the UK reports a few late ones, Broward County style, then Winston could be our first multiple champion.

    Either way we will have a new multi-champ.

    Well done lads. You’re good at it.

  18. NoFixedAddress

    KD

    I have no doubt of what you are saying.

    And thank you for saying it.

    We are mere pawns in our betters’ games

  19. Nick

    Matthews set the football world alight with comments he made on 3AW on Tuesday night, slamming the players’ proposal for a 50 per cent pay cut as “embarrassingly disappointing” and suggesting he’d lost respect for the collective group in the face of the current cash crisis.

    Richmond star Jack Riewoldt fired back on Fox Footy, calling the verbal attack irresponsible.

    Speaking on Sportsday, Caroline Wilson said the past few days had only further highlighted the “bubble” AFL footballers lived in.

    “I’m really surprised that it’s even a negotiation,” she said on 3AW.

    “Patrick Dangerfield said the players wanted clarity, well, the clarity is there’s no dough – there is no money.

    Which isn’t true at all.
    Popcorn time. Tell the players how much AFLW has cost.
    Strange now that gate receipts matter so much to the game.

  20. Mater

    1735099
    #3378534, posted on March 27, 2020 at 8:08 am

    You will become a symbol of the resistance.

    Unlikely, but you will qualify for a Darwin Award.

    Did the PhD candidates just misquote KD?

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘They will be boarding a government charter flight from Santiago to Sydney sometime soon.’

    BOOOOOOOOOO

    Oh hang on.

    Gordian Fulde MD! He’ll tell us what to do.

  22. johanna

    There are two legal issues re the border crossing question:

    (i) whether the applicable State law is being applied correctly; and

    (ii) whether the applicable State law is constitutional.

    I think there is plenty of scope for scepticism on both questions.

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    Hahaa.

    Some bloke with an 18 hour day in front of him:

    ‘You won’t become a symbol of the resistance’

    Old Yeller:

    ‘You will become a symbol of the resistance.’

    Geez, Plagiarism Bob – don’t you think you’re overcompensating now?

  24. NoFixedAddress

    great comment jellybean

    #3378534, posted on March 27, 2020 at 8:08 am

    You will become a symbol of the resistance.

    Unlikely, but you will qualify for a Darwin Award.

  25. 1735099

    Cheese Dick dictator Doctor.

    My youngest brother (with a young family) is a resident GP supporting two nursing homes.
    If the virus gets into either or both, it will kill a large proportion of the people he cares for and will put him and staff at deadly risk, together with their families.
    And back bar meatheads like you put shit on the people whose job is to safe lives.

  26. Tom

    Just tuned in (thanks, mh) to Alan Jones interviewing Marise, the fat chick from DFAT, who he was giving a metaphorical blowjob (Sorry, Marise, it doesn’t count — he’s gay). Jones is a greentard who opposes mining because it digs up daddy’s farmland, but I’ll excuse that for the moment because the current catastrophe requires straight talkers and thinkers.

    Like Trump.

    Comically, Doomlord twirls his bowtie and declares him a “barbarian” but I’m sure Doomie would prefer Trump in his trench defending his liberty than the alternative.

  27. Mater

    Talk about desperate.
    He’s gone from stretching the truth to fit with his argument, agenda and narratives to changing people’s words to fit with his pre-canned, smart arse snipes.

  28. johanna

    Oh, and I see that TheirABC and RMIT’s ‘fact check’ is citing DesmogBlog as a source for alleged right wing subversion about the facts on le virus.

    DesmogBlog! Possibly the least read and most discredited glowbull warmening hysteria site of all.

    They really are scraping the bottom of a barrel of untreated sewage there.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah geez. Read back.

    Apologies to the purists – I’ve repeated the same word in a single sentence a couple of times, and my grammar’s all over the shop like None in her heyday.

  30. rickw

    The sun is up in Melbournistan. I have taken my daily constitutional. The traffic is ramping up on its way across the river. And I have learned that Pilates classes are classified as essential. Apparently.

    Pilates essential, real work not.

    Leadership are incompetent clowns well out of their depth. Desperately need to outsource to Trump. Or wait until the US can purchase the whole country for $5USD ($324,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00AUD).

  31. Anne

    Backed by Trump, Dr. Zelenko Responds to Critics Of His Virus Cure.
    https://collive.com/backed-by-trump-dr-zelenko-responds-to-critics-of-his-virus-cure/

    This is Dr Zelenko’s original letter and treatment protocol.

    March, 23rd, 2020

    To all medical professionals around the world:

    My name is Dr. Zev Zelenko and I practice medicine in Monroe, NY. For the last 16 years, I have cared for approximately 75% of the adult population of Kiryas Joel, which is a very close knit community of approximately 35,000 people in which the infection spread rapidly and unchecked prior to the imposition of social distancing.

    As of today my team has tested approximately 200 people from this community for Covid-19, and 65% of the results have been positive. If extrapolated to the entire community, that means more than 20,000 people are infected at the present time. Of this group, I estimate that there are 1500 patients who are in the high-risk category (i.e. >60, immunocompromised, comorbidities, etc).

    Given the urgency of the situation, I developed the following treatment protocol in the pre-hospital setting and have seen only positive results:

    1. Any patient with shortness of breath regardless of age is treated.
    2. Any patient in the high-risk category even with just mild symptoms is treated.
    3. Young, healthy and low risk patients even with symptoms are not treated (unless their circumstances change and they fall into category 1 or 2).

    My out-patient treatment regimen is as follows:

    1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
    2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
    3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days

    The rationale for my treatment plan is as follows. I combined the data available from China and South Korea with the recent study published from France (sites available on request). We know that hydroxychloroquine helps Zinc enter the cell. We know that Zinc slows viral replication within the cell. Regarding the use of azithromycin, I postulate it prevents secondary bacterial infections. These three drugs are well known and usually well tolerated, hence the risk to the patient is low.

    Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen.

    Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea.

    In sum, my urgent recommendation is to initiate treatment in the outpatient setting as soon as possible in accordance with the above. Based on my direct experience, it prevents acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), prevents the need for hospitalization and saves lives.

    With much respect,

    Dr. Zev Zelenko

    cc: President Donald J. Trump; Mr. Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff

  32. NoFixedAddress

    and jellybean

    there are still only 23,711 deaths attributed to this Virus in the whole fking world.

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘let alone a cheesedick dictatordoctor’

    vs:

    ‘Cheese Dick dictator Doctor.’ Italicised, margined and with a extra full stop.

    Plagiarism Bob! Stop misquoting me! Imputation! Imputation, I say!

    Is there a pro bono advocate in the house?

  34. calli

    They will be boarding a government charter flight from Santiago to Sydney sometime soon.

    Of course they are.

    I hope the taxpayer can send them the bill. But I doubt it.

    Meanwhile, other less well connected plebs can eat dust.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘My youngest brother (with a young family) is a resident GP supporting two nursing homes.’

    Has he been to Aspen too, Dr Chris Higgins-style?

  36. lotocoti

    There’s no messing about with ‘I know a bloke who knows a bloke who knows a bloke’ for some.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    “Patrick Dangerfield said the players wanted clarity, well, the clarity is there’s no dough – there is no money.

    The same Patrick Dangerfield who was being a smarmy prick on Twatter just three weeks ago suggesting Peter Dutton do quarantine on Christmas Island.
    Get fucked Paddy.

  38. DHS

    From the flattening the learning curve post. I thought I had better post my comment here.

    people are being as opinionated as ever but they’re not sure they’re right.

    I’m 100% certain I’m right. But I don’t look to other people’s opinions to formulate my own. I’m happy to use other people’s observations (so long as they’re verifiable) to assist me but not their beliefs.

    I know for a fact that all the tests are completely meaningless.

    I know for a fact that this virus is not new and not pathogenic.

    I know for a fact that, given there are 7 billion people, each carrying hundreds of trillions of viruses on them, that fearing one solitary virus (let alone believing you can slow down its “spread”) makes you a bona fide lunatic.

    I know for a fact that any vaccine we conjure up will be ineffective (although I suppose if it meant we stopped trashing the economy it would have some value).

    I know for a fact that, whereas all of you have destroyed your credibility by falling for this nonsense and you’re only just starting to back away now, I have remained steadfast in my knowledge that the whole thing was a lie from the very moment someone described the virus (sans evidence or logic) as being “novel”.

    I know for a fact that only a lunatic would think that doctors – who have historically been wrong about everything – have suddenly found infallibility when they claim that 80 year olds dying of heart attacks and strokes in northern Italy has everything (or indeed anything) to do with people dying of pneumonia in China.

  39. Top Ender

    Thanks NFA.

    I fear for Ben Robert-Smith VC’s future, I really do.

  40. 1735099

    Has he been to Aspen too, Dr Chris-Higgins style?

    Higgins did not go to Aspen.
    What’s your problem with the medical profession?
    Someone who is thick enough to get frostbite on a training exercise needs all the medical advice he can get.

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the people whose job is to safe lives’

    It’s also Consonant Boggle Day, I see.

    Anyway, the job of doctors in this day and age isn’t really to save lives. It’s to write prescriptions to satisfy current trends, use their GP expertise to lecture people on global warming and racism, to swan around mid-year break destinations that are soooooooo hot right now* and then either return to infect dozens of nursing home residents or demand they be saved by the Government.

    *Will Ferrell. Now that’s the man Abbott666 should have knighted.

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh.

    And also to let hundreds of plague carrier off cruise ships and into Australia’s largest city.

  43. Boambee John

    Mater

    Did the PhD candidates just misquote KD?

    Yes, indeed the seagull didst squawk a misquote. Much as I have my doubts about the generality of academics, I sympathise with the unfortunate individual who has to correct all of its misquotes and plagiarism.

  44. lotocoti

    Has he been to Aspen too, Dr Chris Higgins-style?

    The Woomba actually has a Doctors-Who-Ski clique.

  45. Tom

    What’s your problem with the medical profession?

    They’re all open borders loons who hate freedom and the common man and vote for the Greenfilth.

  46. calli

    Apparently Coles employees won’t be packing re-useable bags brought in by customers. Because virus persists on these surfaces.

    Thanks Greenidiots.

  47. NoFixedAddress

    Top Ender
    #3378563, posted on March 27, 2020 at 8:29 am

    Thanks NFA.

    I fear for Ben Robert-Smith VC’s future, I really do.

    it’s absolutely beyond comprehension.

  48. rickw

    What’s your problem with the medical profession?

    They’re all open borders loons who hate freedom and the common man and vote for the Greenfilth.

    Most people recognise that they have expertise in a few specific areas, and STFU about everything else, Doctors don’t, they have an opinion about everything, mostly wrong.

  49. pete m

    Struth – all entrants from interstate are required to quarantine

    The exception on qld / nsw border is cross border workers, medical / carers and truck deliveries

  50. johanna

    Nice little earner for Coles – we now have to buy new bags every time.

    They’ve done very well out of this whole espisode, haven’t they?

  51. rickw

    Keep them -unless they’re dayglo orange. Buy two of the right colour but ask for a discount.
    The price of magazines in this country is bloody ripoff.

    I’m going to order another lot the right colour, wait till they arrive, then ship the coyote brown ones back. Or just buy another rifle to match the coyote brown ones??!! 🙂

    Yep, complete rip off!

  52. calli

    Rick has nailed it – the perceived polymath.

    We all do it. But fortunately no one listens to us. 🙂

  53. johanna

    petem – that highlights why the application of the law is probably unconstitutional – it is not proper quarantine, just perceived risk reduction, which is not a reason to penalise people who cross borders.

  54. DHS

    How exactly does the government think it will pay for the compensation of all businesses lost?

    Because their definition of “essential” and “non-essential” is arbitrary (and particularly arbitrary as regards “public health”) they won’t have a leg to stand on in court in a few months time when people have forgotten how petrified they were of this virus and every single gym, restaurant, hotel, tattoo parlour and bar owner is suing them for everything they have.

    How will they say “listen your Honour, we thought that people going to the gym was terrible for public health but we were sure that people buying lots of beer and lots of kids huddled together in schools would keep everybody safe from coronavirus”.

    They won’t. At least not successfully.

    They have listened to the words of the most evil and stupid people on the planet – “health experts” – and completely ignored any advice from anybody else, economists, lawyers etc. To be fair, the latter haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory either but at least it would have been worth listening to them rather than giving dictatorial power to CMOs.

    What these moron politicians should have done – back in January – was put their “health experts” on the spot. Trump should have said, “listen everybody. Here is the great mind Dr Fauci. He is an absolute genius. Just ask him. He knows everything there is about this virus and how we test for it and he thinks he has the know-how to stop it spreading. So in that light, he is going to spend the next 5 minutes explaining how exactly his team of scientific geniuses came to realise – with 100% certainty – that this virus had never been harboured by a single human being anywhere on the planet in all of history. He will also explain how the test proves – beyond a shadow of a doubt – that you are indeed sick because of the coronavirus.”

    And then when Fauci spent 5 minutes staring blankly into space, Trump should have said. “Well I guess he doesn’t know the most basic questions of all then. You’re fired Fauci. Now, the next person in line can stand up and do the same.”

    And so on and so forth until every single person at the NIH and CDC was sacked.

  55. calli

    I pack my own bags, Joh. Straight from the little tray on top of the bag carousel. You have the rigid-sided re-useables gaping open in the now-empty trolley and pack accordingly.

    I prefer to do myself so the meat doesn’t squish the biscuits.

  56. From The Age. Last night the majority of callers to 2GB seemed to be in favour of total shutdown. However they also seemed to think the Govt should subsidise their lost wages. Meanwhile not one single Government worker has had a pay cut despite many being sent home with no work.

    “United Workers Union national secretary Tim Kennedy said in a position paper that there was an urgent need for the federal government to intervene “and play an active role in guaranteeing and providing social and economic security during this time”.

    Mr Kennedy said there should be an “income guarantee” paid at the full-time minimum wage of $740 a week until at least the end of 2020, and he is also pushing for a “jobs guarantee” that would mean no workers could be dismissed or retrenched during the pandemic crisis, with the government guaranteeing the wages of affected workers.

    “Every single worker should have a right to return to their jobs at the end of this crisis. Every single job must be guaranteed,” he wrote, including gig workers, casual employees and those in labour hire and the self-employed.

    ACTU secretary Sally McManus has warned two million people could be out of work in the coming weeks and wrote to Prime Minister Scott Morrison calling for UK-style wage subsidies of up to $5200 a month for each worker.

    General Pants chief executive Sacha Laing also backed wage subsidies for workers, saying it was about making sure his business could re-hire all its staff at the end of the virus.

    “We want to maintain continuity of employment with our team, we want them back on board when we reopen our stores,” he said. “But we need them to not only have certainty over the time period we’re dealing with but to also be able to access government assistance without having to completely resign from their roles.”

    The government has rejected the push and Industrial Relations Minister Christian Porter said Treasury was strongly opposed to wage subsidies”.

    Note how nobody ever costs how much these ideas would cost the Government.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    Anyway, the job of doctors in this day and age isn’t really to save lives. It’s to write prescriptions to satisfy current trends, use their GP expertise to lecture people on global warming and racism, to swan around mid-year break destinations that are soooooooo hot right now* and then either return to infect dozens of nursing home residents or demand they be saved by the Government.

    … and soak the taxpayer through rorting Medicare.

  58. DHS

    Most people recognise that they have expertise in a few specific areas, and STFU about everything else, Doctors don’t, they have an opinion about everything, mostly wrong.

    To be fair, doctors are actually *more* wrong when discussing their chosen area of expertise than on any other issue.

  59. lotocoti

    It’s kicking off in the Crimea.

  60. PS has any Union waived their dues yet ?

  61. mh

    Apparently they are doctors and dentists.

    I expect after a few days realising they were stuck, it became ‘he’s not actually a doctor, he’s just a dentist’.

  62. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    ‘It’s better to die on your feet than to live on your knees’
    – Mexican Revolutionary, circa late 19th C
    Bet those rich hippie fuckheads weren’t thinking about today when they wrote that.

    KD – very bad. The first time I ever saw the exhortation above was in a picture of a banner at one of the Solidarity demonstrations in Gdansk (early 1980s), the very first rumblings of the popular revolt in that country that would see braindead soviet collectivism brought to its knees.

    I’m pointing this out purely because I always hated midnight oil with a passion. Pretentious, try hard wankers, who purveyed excruciating cliched and now monumentally dated rubbish. The sole exception was the bass player, who at least had the good sense to go on and found a very successful business.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    It just occurred to me that BatLand’s approach to manufacturing is the same as its approach to its people.

    ‘Waddayamean it’s broken already?

    ‘Fuck it. Just pump out more of the same. Cheap as shit anyway.

    ‘Write it off as wastage.’

  64. Mater

    What’s your problem with the medical profession?

    I fear some of them (doomsayers) are like CFA members who light fires on dangerous days.
    The desire for hero worship doesn’t discriminate. ‘Environmental Scientists’ are not immune, either.

    I’m sure plenty of the medical professions are genuinely concerned about what is largely an unknown threat, but they should also consider the other side of the equation. If the economy goes tits-up, so will their precious universal healthcare system (and aged care system)…and people will then definitely die by the bushel!

  65. Anne

    Pharmaceutical giant, Apotex, to donate 240,000 doses of Hydroxychloroquine for the COV-19 trial

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/apotex-to-donate-240-000-doses-of-anti-malaria-drug-for-covid-19-trial-1.1409775

    Interesting sidearm. In 2018 the previous owner of Apotex, billionaire, Barry Sherman and wife Honey were murdered inside their Toronto home. [187]

  66. Beertruk

    In today’s Oz:

    Legal firms gear up for class actions
    LAWSUITS
    CHRIS MERRITT

    Litigation funders have started recruiting staff and raising multimillion-dollar warchests as the first signs emerge of what could be a wave of class actions against businesses and governments that have already been hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic.

    London-based Balance Legal Capital has unveiled plans to send part of its latest $150m capital raising to Australia, where it can be invested in class actions and other commercial disputes.

    At the same time, international litigation funder Omni Bridgeway has recruited more staff, including an insolvency specialist, for its Australian operations in response to what it calls an “increased appetite for dispute finance solutions”.

    This coincides with moves by Shine Lawyers, which is considering following its US counterparts by launching damages claims on behalf of individuals who have been infected because of what they say is the negligence of others.

    Former Law Council president Stuart Clark said COVID-19 class actions were “spreading like a virus in the US and they are now infecting Australia”.

    “Foreign funders are flocking to Australia. Our system is unregulated and more plaintiff-friendly than the US and the returns on investment exceed those in the US.

    “Australian businesses are on their knees, Australians are losing their jobs — we need to quarantine the problem now,” Mr Clark said.

    Balance Legal Capital, like all litigation funders, finances class actions in return for a percentage of the claimants’ payouts.

    The move by Balance Legal Capital comes after Shine Lawyers confirmed it was considering a series of individual claims against Princess Cruise Lines and the government agency responsible for allowing infected passengers from the ship Ruby Princess to circulate in the community. Those potential claims might evolve into a class action, said Lisa Flynn, Shine Lawyers’ national practice leader.

    In the US, class actions have already been launched against Princess Cruise Lines and Norwegian Cruise Lines on behalf of infected passengers.

    Omni Bridgeway gave a presentation to investors on March 17 pointing out that in previous pandemics the company’s share price had grown strongly. During the SARS outbreak in 2003, its share price rose by 164 per cent. During the swine flu epidemic of 2009, its shares rose by 26 per cent.

    Menzies Research Centre director Nick Cater decried the presentation. “It is outrageous that in this crisis Omni Bridgeway is spruiking increased profits on the back of class actions,” he said.

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I expect after a few days realising they were stuck, it became ‘he’s not actually a doctor, he’s just a dentist’.’

    It’s worse than that mh.

    Ads on the teev this week are advertising random punters in white coats as ‘medical specialists’.

  68. They’re all open borders loons who hate freedom and the common man and vote for the Greenfilth.

    Not my brother.
    He was a Labor voter until he married a grazier’s daughter.
    Then he became a dyed-in-the-wool Coalition voter – an exception in my immediate family, a couple of whom have been endorsed as ALP candidates.
    Now he’s changed his tune.
    He told me the other day that the only person worth listening to on the issue was Norman Swan, and he’s sharing all Swan’s broadcasts on every social media platform he uses.

  69. DHS

    Corona: the case number game
    Mar
    26
    by Jon Rappoport
    by Jon Rappoport
    March 26, 2020
    (To join our email list, click here.)
    In this episode of public health bureaucrats go crazy, let’s look at their numbers. Let’s accept their reality for the moment—the reality they claim to be working from—and trace the implications. Buckle up.
    Start with Europe and just plain flu. Not COV. According to the World Health Organization (WHO) Europe, “During the winter months, influenza may infect up to 20% of the population…” That’s ordinary seasonal flu.

    The population of Europe is 741 million people. This works out to 148 million cases of ordinary flu. Not once. Every year. EVERY YEAR.

    According to statista.com, “As of March 23, 2020, there have been 170,424 confirmed cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) across the whole of Europe since the first confirmed cases in France on January 25.”

    I urge readers to roll those comparative figures around in their minds, and realize that ordinary flu has never been called a pandemic, and has certainly never resulted in locking down countries.

    If we take the COV Europe numbers I just quoted, which cover a period of two months, and multiply by six, to estimate the number for a year, we arrive at 1,022,544 cases. Even if you want to build up this figure by claiming it’s accelerating, do you really believe it’ll reach 148 million for the year, the number of ordinary flu cases? And again, 148 million is the estimate for EVERY YEAR. Every year—and no mention of a pandemic. No lockdowns.

    Let’s go to Italy. According to statista.com, “Italy has the highest amount of confirmed [COV] cases in Europe with 59,138…” That’s as of March 23. If you multiply by six, to get the annual figure, you arrive at 360,000 cases. You want to blow that up, because of acceleration? Go ahead. How about a million cases for the year? Two million. Three million.

    Now let’s look at ordinary flu cases for Italy in a given year. According to sciencedirect.com, “In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI [influenza-like illness] cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.” That’s 5 million plus each year. Not just once. Was a seasonal flu pandemic declared in Italy? Ever? Was the whole country ever locked down as a result? No.

    Finally, let’s look at figures for ordinary flu, for the whole planet. A study published in the journal, Pharmacy and Therapeutics, states, “Influenza is a highly contagious respiratory illness that is responsible for significant morbidity and mortality. Approximately 9% of the world’s population is affected annually, with up to 1 billion infections, 3 to 5 million severe cases, and 300,000 to 500,000 deaths each year.”

    A BILLION cases EVERY YEAR. Is this called a pandemic? Is the whole world locked down every year? No.

    Feel free to track the purported number of COV cases as time passes. As I write this, the number is 392,286, and deaths are 17,147. Let me know when the COV case number reaches A BILLION for the year and the number of deaths passes 300,000. Then keep me posted on how the one billion COV cases are repeated EVERY YEAR with at least 300,000 deaths annually.

    And that concludes this episode of public health officials go crazy and wreck economies and lives in the process.

    There should be a tracking “world-o-meter” providing live updates on THOSE figures.

    NUMBER OF ECONOMIES WRECKED BY PUBLIC HEALTH LEADERS—

    NUMBER OF LIVES WRECKED BY PUBLIC HEALTH LEADERS—

  70. Entropy

    Most people recognise that they have expertise in a few specific areas, and STFU about everything else, Doctors don’t, they have an opinion about everything, mostly wrong.

    If I can say one thing in defence of doctors, they are usually at war with the nursing sisterhood, particularly the fat, short haired, dangly earingged variety who have thankfully left the front line and now infest health admin where they actively protect and promote like minded sisters. Doctors are in the side of angels in that fight.

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ouch.

    Fast-Charging Stations Damage Tesla Car Batteries After Just 25 Cycles, New Study Shows (26 Mar)

    In fact, after just 40 charging cycles, batteries only kept 60% of their storage capacity. Batteries charged using internal resistance charging retained more than 80% capacity after the 40th cycle.

    After 60 charging cycles, the industry method battery cases cracked, exposing the electrodes and electrolyte to air, which could increase the chance of fire or explosion.

    If they’re losing half their range after only 60 fast charges that is going to be very expensive for Tesla and other EV owners in battery replacements.

  72. Ed Case

    PS has any Union waived their dues yet ?

    All done by Direct Debit at the wage source.
    Without that, they’re fucked.

  73. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Goose Morristeen, Dunderhead Dan, Lardarse Pluckachook, Beryl Gladyschlocklian, et al, addressing Ozzies Mar 2020:

    “It’s better to die on your knees than to live on your feet.”

  74. Tom

    He told me the other day that the only person worth listening to on the issue was Norman Swan

    Hahahaha! Laughed out loud long and hard.

    You fruitcake smartarse knowall zombies who listen to the ABC are all equally removed from reality.

  75. notafan

    Rule number one

    Never trust anything posted by Anne.

    Zelenko is a crank.
    kiryas Joel leaders urge Dr to stop making videos about KJ virus cases

  76. Tel

    If I can say one thing in defence of doctors, they are usually at war with the nursing sisterhood, particularly the fat, short haired, dangly earingged variety who have thankfully left the front line and now infest health admin where they actively protect and promote like minded sisters. Doctors are in the side of angels in that fight.

    So they are the ones responsible for checking the cupboard to ensure there are enough rubber gloves and masks in store?

  77. Direct Debit at the wage source.
    Without that, they’re fucked.

    Nope, only if you pay weekly.
    I haven’t heard anything about a Dues holiday yet. But then again, I’m doubtful we’ll get shut down.
    Setka left a shovel on Dan’s front porch I reckon!
    “You owe us,Dan. Don’t make me be a bad guy!”

  78. notafan

    Back to front

    The two nursing homes support your younger brother, no doubt in style.

    A weekly whip around, out of hours, naturally, for the bigger Medicare rebate is the usual M O

  79. notafan

    Let’s take the border crossing rules to the high Court.

    Oh wait.

  80. cohenite

    He told me the other day that the only person worth listening to on the issue was Norman Swan, and he’s sharing all Swan’s broadcasts on every social media platform he uses.

    Wow, 2 complete fuckwits, brothers no less.

    FOAD troll; take your idiot sibling with you.

  81. Ed Case

    Nope, only if you pay weekly.

    What’s a 6 months CFMMEU ticket cost these days?
    $600?
    Not many have that sort of cash in their pockets, so it’s all weekly direct debit, no?

  82. Nick

    The same Patrick Dangerfield who was being a smarmy prick on Twatter just three weeks ago suggesting Peter Dutton do quarantine on Christmas Island.
    Get fucked Paddy.

    Yep. I can’t wait till the flog is tweet whining about the need for a Government bailout

  83. Des Deskperson

    ‘The sole exception was the bass player, who at least had the good sense to go on and found a very successful business.’

    The worst of them – personally as well as possibly musically – was – unsurprisingly – the drummer Rob Hirst, who fancied himself as an intellectual and an activist and was reputed to be the force behind Midnight Oil’s ideological, err, stances. The ABC, and in particular JJJ, was a aways after Hirst for a sound bite or two on some current issue.

    In the ‘oughties, the old Bulletin magazine gave Hirst a column where he served up the worst sort of second hand, sub-cerebral leftist pablum. One column envisaged wonderful ‘progressive’ Australia of the future under president (the hapless and by all accounts mentally very ordinary) Peter Garrett.

    I like to think that Hirst was was one of the factors in that magazine’s demise.

  84. DHS

    Last night the majority of callers to 2GB seemed to be in favour of total shutdown.

    Hard to feel sorry for all the lives ruined by this considering the vast majority of them have actually begged for it.

    Belief in the idea that one person can make another person sick by virtue of a germ is history’s greatest psychosis. There is simply no way to believe this notion and still be sane.

  85. Dr Faustus

    Ouch.

    At 80% capacity, rechargeable lithium-ion batteries have reached the end of their use life for most purposes. Batteries charged using the industry fast-charging method reached this point after 25 charging cycles, while internal resistance method batteries were good for 36 cycles.”

    So trickle charge; or don’t quite get home, or replace your batteries every 3 to 5 weeks. Only $6,000 to $15,000 a pop + labour + GST.
    Let’s dive in.

  86. mh

    Queensland may have closed borders, but we still have to go out and vote tomorrow or cop a fine.

  87. notafan

    NFA

    I said zip to JC about anything. You are confusing me with someone else.

    I was in Europe in January. Was proposing to see my daughter in May.

    Exactly how long do you think this virus you claim is just another flu hangs around?

    As for Spain and Italy being socialist.

    If they are so are we.

    Arguments that involve redefining what words mean are stupid.

  88. Ed Case

    Hard to feel sorry for all the lives ruined by this considering the vast majority of them have actually begged for it.

    Sure but how about the liars in Government?
    For years they’ve been telling us that there’s no magical money tree and tighten your belts.
    Now 3 million are okay to sign on 2 Scotty’s $1280/fortnight Dole, no worries the more the merrier.

  89. Tom

    Queensland may have closed borders, but we still have to go out and vote tomorrow or cop a fine.

    Huh, mh? What are you voting for tomorrow? The state election isn’t ’til October.

  90. Beertruk

    Huh, mh? What are you voting for tomorrow? The state election isn’t ’til October.

    Council elections.

  91. Anne

    If you’re not following this account, do it!

    I’d wager he is part of the Q team. (Less than 10)

    #FutureProvesPast #QAnon

    This tweet from 22/3/2018

    @EntheosShines
    DO NOT PANIC: When The #StockMarket Goes Down Below 20,000 Remain Calm – Everything Is Going To Be Reset & There Will Be Volatility – Short Term Disruption Will Eventually Lead To Long Term Stability – We Have One Of The Greatest Minds In American History In The Captain’s Chair

  92. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Australia of the future under president Peter Garrett.

    Thanks to the recent nation wrecking idiocy that nightmare scenario probably isn’t far off.

    Followed by Prezidentesse Yassi Abdul McDweeb.

  93. Michael Ramirez.
    Brilliant encapsulation of the elites’ murderous intent. That cartoon belongs in all history texts, and plastered on walls everywhere.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Boiled buttered cabbage last nite, cabbage in bubble and squeak with egg for lunch, and oil-fried cabbage over the beans for dinner tonight.

    For heaven’s sake don’t light a match.

    LOL, Farmer Gez.

    I can see we will be calling Uber Eats before long. 🙂

    ————

    On State’s Rights, the situation in the US was quite bleary too. When we were in Key West in Florida the States of Louisiana and Alabama called a 72 hour period for residents to return to State or they would not be admitted. As was the case throughout our trip, things were changing hourly. This call contributed to the sudden exodus from Key West and we were sure then that cancelling our intended drive across from Florida had been a good idea, as we would be likely blocked at some border, as well as having to live on Subway and garage hot dogs even if we were lucky enough to get petrol.

    As we were flying to New Orleans we also wondered how we might be treated as ‘non-residents’ but visiting a well-known family. No problems, probably got there within the 72 hour period. I asked my cousin about it – he hadn’t heard of it and suggested most people would ignore it. In two States where there is a lot of concealed carry, enforcement probably wouldn’t be enforced.

    He has two pistols as well as his big guns. One pistol is a Colt 45, muh Daddy’s gun, the other one he calls The Judge – a sinister black thing.

  95. Ed Case

    Early voting locations in Qld. https://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/9086/2020LGE_Early-Voting-Centres.pdf
    Also State Byelections in Bundamba and Currumbin tomorrow.

  96. Nick

    but visiting a well-known family.

    The Flintstones ?

  97. Ed, my dues(Vic/Tas branch) are $515 for six months.
    Due on March 30th…

  98. DHS

    Sure but how about the liars in Government?

    Do you think that all of this is my idea?

    My position from day dot is:

    The virus is not new.

    The virus is not pathogenic.

    But the reality is that the vast majority of people are absolutely desperate to vote for their own execution. And that is because they all worship doctors and think that – despite their 100% track record of being wrong about everything – they couldn’t possibly be wrong about this.

    Remember, the government didn’t even want to shut down tourism and has only been persuaded to do so by the increasingly shrill twitterati and mainstream media. Actually I should probably be fair here. Even most infectious disease “experts” weren’t and aren’t clamouring for this. Just the public health “experts” that like to get their face on TV.

    The government should have gone on the offence – against the media. They should have said: “if the media think that the government can use its emergency public health powers to shut down gyms then clearly the government has the powers to shut down the media for whipping up public hysteria over a non-existent pathogenic virus threat”.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    John Nolte has been doing some fun research.

    Nolte: No One’s Watching Joe Biden’s Wannabe POTUS Broadcasts (26 Mar)

    Three days ago, Biden earned only 134,000 views on YouTube and 211,000 views on Twitter for his “remarks on the Coronavirus pandemic,” which received 974 up votes and 4,300(!) down votes.

    But again, if 2,800 average viewers adds up to 141,000 total viewers for that Happy Hour video, what does 343,000 viewers equal? Maybe 7,000 average viewers?

    Meanwhile, Biden sits around at home giving dull speeches and making dull statements, and pretending to be president while he basically plagiarizes the ideas Trump has already put into action.

    I’ve never seen anything like this.

    You’d think the Dems would at least force all the campaign wukkas to tune in and hit the like button. The epic disinterest in the possible new POTUS is epic.

  100. Some History

    Never let a good crisis go to waste

    Authoritarians trying to [fraudulently] piggyback their non-covid-19 “causes” onto the covid-19 ultra authoritarianism of the time. New York is threatening to ban the sale of tobacco (and vaping). Sed Efriga has banned the sale of tobacco and alcohol during the lockdown (3 weeks).

    Here’s the information from Chris Snowdon.

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2020/03/vaping-smoking-and-coronavirus-facts.html

    UPDATE:
    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-corona-vultures-circle.html

  101. lotocoti

    The Sex Panther of testing kits.
    H/T Anchorman.

  102. calli

    the other one he calls The Judge – a sinister black thing.

    Chuckle. Just watch out for the one called “Executioner”.

  103. calli

    On the strength of Lizzie’s “a thousand ways with cabbage”, I have decided that our anniversary dinner (which I don’t intend to cook) will be fish and chips.

    Back to our roots – Friday nights on the Lower North Shore.

  104. Ed Case

    Remember, the government didn’t even want to shut down tourism and has only been persuaded to do so by the increasingly shrill twitterati and mainstream media.

    The Government can shut down any Media it likes any time it likes, so isn’t it more likely that they’ve all been playing Rope-a-Dope with us?

  105. Leigh Lowe

    Nick
    #3378616, posted on March 27, 2020 at 9:14 am
    The same Patrick Dangerfield who was being a smarmy prick on Twatter just three weeks ago suggesting Peter Dutton do quarantine on Christmas Island.
    Get fucked Paddy.

    Yep. I can’t wait till the flog is tweet whining about the need for a Government bailout

    Dangerfield’s Geelong is the most socialist dependent of all AFL clubs. It sits astride a number of marginal electorates and they are always soaking government for grants.
    Yesterday the AFL floated (via one of it’s accredited meeja flunkies) that it might tap into the richer clubs to stay afloat.
    Good luck getting that past club members and/or owners.
    My ideal scenario is that the AFL goes into liquidation, the brand rights are sold back to existing clubs by the liquidator, and a looser association is formed, more like the old VFL, which was run by the clubs.
    The vanity projects (AWFL, burgeoning SJW departments at HQ, expansion clubs) all to go.

  106. Geriatric Mayfly

    What joy awaits the idle connoisseur, a trip around the Tate Modern. Ticks all the boxes.

    While we can’t come together in person, art can help us to stay feeling connected, creative and calm.
    So while our doors are closed, we’ll be sharing some of our favourite ideas to help you discover art you love, spark a new hobby or enjoy a quiet moment away from the headlines.
    Did you know you can delve into our national collection online? That’s 78,000 works by over 4,000 artists from Britain and around the world!

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    What are you voting for tomorrow?

    Tom – Qld has local council elections iirc. I heard a fun bit on 2GB as I was going through Sydney, about the main Qld elections commissions press weenie refusing to talk to Ray Hadley despite him being one of the biggest talkback guys in Qld through 4BC. I got the distinct impression that Qld election commission might not be quite so apolitical as people might think.

  108. DHS

    The Government can shut down any Media it likes any time it likes, so isn’t it more likely that they’ve all been playing Rope-a-Dope with us?

    I’m not sure what you are saying.

    Is the government evil?

    Yes.

    Have the people allowed this evil to flourish for falling for an obvious lie perpetrated by obvious liars?

    Yes.

  109. Mater

    Not my brother.
    He was a Labor voter until he married a grazier’s daughter.
    Then he became a dyed-in-the-wool Coalition voter – an exception in my immediate family, a couple of whom have been endorsed as ALP candidates.

    Then this wasn’t exactly true, was it?

    1735099
    #2978993, posted on April 4, 2019 at 7:53 am

    I have a large family. Some are retired, like me, so we have plenty of time to write emails.
    We communicate about this kind of thing.
    I’m one of six, and have four kids.
    They share my views.

    I fact, I’m less active than most of my siblings.

    Again, stretching truth to fit an argument.

  110. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bugger. Try again.

    Did you know you can delve into our national collection online?

  111. Nick

    My ideal scenario is that the AFL goes into liquidation, the brand rights are sold back to existing clubs by the liquidator, and a looser association is formed, more like the old VFL, which was run by the clubs.

    I’d be happy too, to have private owners.

  112. Anne

    Q has repeatedly stated: #ThesePeopleAreSick #PainIsComing #ThinkMirror

    The opposite of Mercy and Comfort is Punishment and Pain.

    Just spitballing here but what if the Navy Hospital Ships are taking the “sick” people to Gitmo or maybe the military tribunals & executions will be done onboard.

  113. calli

    Is this the one you’re suggesting, Mayfly?

  114. Gab

    Love your conspiracy theories, Anne. They’re so refreshing.

  115. Tel

    The Government can shut down any Media it likes any time it likes, so isn’t it more likely that they’ve all been playing Rope-a-Dope with us?

    If it was random then now again things would come out in our favour.

    I’m sure there’s a lot of alterior motives at work. Sometimes very obvious like Pelosi slipping in abortion funding in the bill that’s supposed to help provide virus relief. Sometimes it’s more subtle: political parties like drama, because they are perpetually desperate for media attention. Solving the problem by closing the borders early then sitting and waiting would have generated no excitement. Letting it get bad then running around like headless chooks shouting “I’m important!!” achieves hardly anything but hey it sure gets attention.

  116. Roger

    The Guardian’s Benjamin Law keeping things in perspective:

    ‘In times of crisis, we turn to the arts. Now the arts is in crisis – and Scott Morrison is silent’

  117. calli

    In times of crisis, we turn to the arts.

    We can be fussy, even in a crisis.

  118. Anne

    Illegitimate President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro, indicted for Narco-Terrorism.

    High profile arrests coming, worldwide.

  119. jo

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3378601, posted on March 27, 2020 at 8:58 am
    Ouch.

    Fast-Charging Stations Damage Tesla Car Batteries After Just 25 Cycles, New Study Shows (26 Mar) Good to hear.

  120. I’m one of six, and have four kids.
    They share my views.

    Time to give it away Mater, if you can’t tell the difference between a sibling and a child.
    You even bolded it, just to make sure we all know you got the bull by the foot – not an unusual occurrence.
    Not all my siblings share my views.
    My kids do (most of the time).

  121. notafan

    Still waiting for those indictments.

    Sealed or unsealed.

    Anne has been doing this since 2016.

    Hasn’t made a single convert.

    Trolling, yeah right.

  122. Old School Conservative

    Last night the majority of callers to 2GB seemed to be in favour of total shutdown

    And in the afternoon show too.
    I blame our leaders for not differentiating between slowing down the spread of the virus through managed and progressive shutdowns (Australia) and trying to quickly eradicate the virus through total shutdown (NZ).
    All because NZ has fewer ICU beds (quantity and per capita) and isn’t as well prepared for large numbers to go to hospital.
    But Jacinta good Morrison bad.

  123. Dr Faustus

    China reports deeply disturbing coronavirus development

    …new research has shown that there could be a second wave of infections looming.

    As many as 14 per cent of recovered coronavirus patients in China have tested positive again, according to medical experts.

    So, early evidence that China turfed sick people out into the street and closed fever hospitals to deliver an imaginary 80%+ ‘recovery’ rate. FMD, I think I’m going to die of surprise.
    A typical Pooh Empire fix.

  124. Tom

    Michael Ramirez.
    Brilliant encapsulation of the elites’ murderous intent. That cartoon belongs in all history texts, and plastered on walls everywhere.

    Bubbles, if you think Trump is a member of the “elite” working against the people, you don’t understand how wealth is created.

    Trump’s instinct is to get Americans back to work, producing and making things that make them money. The current freefall is the opposite of that.

    Unless the world gets back to work, it doesn’t have an economy to support people’s families and the lifestyles they lead.

    The world is in a crater of near-zero real employment and a depression worse than the 1930s. It has to snap out of it soon or we will have to live in caves again.

    I love the complexity of Ramirez’s thinking – that the frail aged are being metaphorically ordered back to work by Trump when they’ve just caught Kung Klu.

    But Trump understands where money comes from much more acutely than Ramirez. That is why the common man supports him.

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coronavirus: Toorak, South Yarra and Portsea cop COVID-19 hit

    John Ferguson
    Associate Editor
    @fergusonjw
    Remy Varga
    Reporter
    @RemyVarga
    2 hours ago March 27, 2020

    Melbourne socialites have exploded in acrimony over the COVID-19 outbreak enveloping the city’s wealthiest suburbs, after Australian skiers returning from Colorado were accused of clumsily spreading the killer virus.

    New data shows the wealthiest suburbs, including Toorak, South Yarra and Portsea, are at the centre­ of the coronavirus spread in Victoria, coming after an ill-fated ski season in Aspen that was marred by the outbreak that infected­ many Australians.

    While the source of the spread in Victoria has not been pinpointed, at least five Geelong Grammar parents contracted the virus at a cocktail party for a Timber­top family earlier this month; a boarder also has it.

    It also has spread to others via a 21st birthday party and been blamed for potentially dozens of cases across Melbourne’s wealthy inner east and southeast.

    Of the 520 confirmed cases in Victoria, 93 are in the wealthy local government areas of Stonnington and Mornington Peninsula.

    In NSW, the most affluent areas of Sydney account for more than half of the state’s 1219 confirmed cases.

    The trendy eastern suburbs, a focal point of nat­ional scorn after hundreds flocked to Bondi Beach last week, have since recorded 319 cases of COVID-19 infections, as of Tuesday. The inner city accounts­ for 91 cases, and there are 247 cases on the north shore.

    Melbourne’s Stonnington covers Toorak, South Yarra, Armadale and Malvern; the Mornington Peninsula includes Portsea and Sorrento. It is the Toorak-Portsea set that frequents Aspen each year in the northern winter.

    Victoria Police refused to say yesterday if it was investig­ating two socialites staying in Portsea for not properly isolating after they returned to Australia. Indiv­iduals face fines of up to $20,000 each if they don’t take steps to prevent the virus spreading.

    More than a dozen Australians are reported to have contracted the virus in Aspen and the fallout has spread rapidly in Melbourne, affecting potentially hundreds of people. It has also sparked recrim­inations focused on the wealthy businessman and his fashion industr­y partner who sought refuge­ in Portsea.

    From the Oz.

  126. notafan

    Numbers admitting his grammar is appalling or weasling out of another untruth.

    You be the jury.

  127. 8th Dan

    David Rowe … brilliant as always.

    Surprising you don’t like him. Tom.

    Not a fan of Fragonard?

  128. John Commenus

    Just heard the breathless reporting that we could hit our limit of capacity on April 5 at 22000 cases if our cases follow Italy’s trajectory. This was the worst case, also totally inappropriate modelling – Australia did not allow 100,000 people from China enter the country without screening once the pandemic started in China. Interestingly the very next paragraph in the story was that Victoria is thinking of repurposing it’s convention centre as a temporary hospital to massively increase capacity. Yesterday NSW said they could massively increase capacity under existing plans as well. Once again breathless panic reporting of a study that is completely ridiculous for a capacity problem that has a solution.

    Now the ABC is reporting on a Aust Dept of Health study that a 20% infection rate of COVID19 would overwhelm the hospital system as it would drive over 1,000,000 hospitalisation.

    Worldometer shows that 5% of global active cases are serious or critical – ie I imagine require hospitalisation.
    That number for Australia is 11 although NSW CMO said I think NSW had 19 in ICU this morning from 1405 cases. Let’s say the rate is 1.5% hospitalisation. So if 20% of Australia is infected = 5 mil people. 1.5% of this number is 75,000 hospitalisation not 1 mil +. In this is based on figures where we have little to no idea what the background asymptomatic infection rate is.

    This is the Department of Health leading the panic charge. The study relied on the junk Imperial College modelling where the lead author is now walking away from his scare study which has imploded the world. He started a global panic.

    Here is how the panic works.

    1. Intellectual Yet Idiot IYI (see Nassim Talib 4 explanation) develops a worst case model that predicts disaster.

    2. Media reporter breaks a scoop story and hypes the we are all going to die hyper fear (great for the reporters career to be the first to report impending death and destruction)

    3. University or think tank publicises it’s newest ‘star’. Great for the university to have its name spread as a thought leader that can save the world.

    4. More people hear of the latest doomsday scenario. Other universities want to help save the world and join the cause.

    5. Media look into it (ie read the abstract maybe but mainly talk to each other about the doomsday scenario). Because almost everyone in the media is a moron and don’t want to be the lone voice opposing the growing cause of they all self reinforce their own doomsday results. Great for news coverage and business.

    6. Media ask Government how are you going to stop us all from dying from the ridiculous worst case modelled scenario that the media and academia are pushing. Note these people financially benefit from the panic they cause.

    7. government asks its top Public Servants for advise on 1 – how likely is this scenario and 2 – what should we do about it.

    8. Public service can’t totally dismiss the worst case and so recommends greater control over individuals and society and growing the public service to meet the threat. Public servants see an opportunity to load up their departments with more money, responsibility, head count and power. The “Government” acquiesces.

    9. Actors and other influencers start to hype the scare mainly on social media and heed the breathless warnings of IYI “experts”.

    10. More people join the scare and look to do what they can do to help. But all are certain – we have to do something or we are all going to die.

    11. Now media starts reporting on the global movement to fight the scare and how everyone is “onboard”.

    12. Government and business joins the global movement to fight the scare.

    13. ‘Everyone’ jumps on the bandwagon and those who don’t get on the bandwagon are decried as heretics.

    14. The bandwagon goes in the normal direction a bandwagon goes – an idiotic place where no one would go voluntarily and in normal circumstances and always causes more problems than it solves

    In Chaos Theory a band wagon effect, which is what this is, is caused by a lack of any negative feedback. Only positive feedback or things that support the cause are fed into the system. This is what a bandwagon effect is.

    Notice the one thing missing in how the panic works? The lack of any negative feedback to check the situation. And just about everyone who initially pushes the panic benefits financially and otherwise from the panic.

    People who drive bandwagons are THE MOST dangerous people on the planet. Eventually the bandwagon gets out of control and is driven by the mass hysteria of the followers that join the bandwagon.

    Bandwagons are THE MOST dangerous dynamics in society – it is the cause of communism, fascism the Salem Witch trials and the final solution.

    So don’t ever uncritically listen to anyone who ever tells you to shut up and get with program. That’s is the type of language that historically causes mass murder. The bandwagon effect they create is the vehicle that gets society to the point of total idiocy.

  129. H B Bear

    The shell of the ALPFL gets sold to the Mardi Gras organising committee. Gallon McPolo-Pony returns to the farm to de-sex unwanted rams.

  130. Anne

    It’s really just one giant conspiracy, Gab.

    👉🏻 The New World Order of Agenda2030.👈🏻

    The “theories” are just guesses on how the puppets and minions work to that end.

  131. Tel

    Meanwhile, Biden sits around at home giving dull speeches and making dull statements, and pretending to be president while he basically plagiarizes the ideas Trump has already put into action.

    Anyone willing to vote for Biden is already perfectly aware that Biden the man is fading away mentally before their eyes … but that doesn’t matter because they are not voting for the man, they are voting for the system that he represents. If Biden becomes President then the bureaucracy will have won and they do what they like … Biden knows enough to give them the nod, and that’s all he needs to do.

    People who have faith that enough government departments can fix anything are happy with a bumbling POTUS who can easily be bypassed.

  132. Stepping back, let’s review government action and the result that those actions have produced.

    1. Allow (assist) a few hundred thousand chinese “students” to enter the country.
    Result: We don’t know, because nationality is not published in the supplied stats.
    When we do get the stats, I expect this will be tagged as the worst decision of this economic disaster.

    2. Allow vital medical supplies, that are in short supply to be shipped to China.
    Result: shortages of medical supplies in Australia. Longterm, this must result in HOP.

    3. Allow packaged basic food and hygiene supplies to be shipped to China causing local shortages.
    Result: supermarket contact has probably unnecessarily infected countless geriatrics looking for TP.
    spread the virus.

    4. Quarantine only voluntarily enforced on entries to the country and of insufficient period.
    Result: spread the virus

    5. Shutdown and trash the economy.
    Result: who knows

    I’ve listed my top 5 acts of government stupidity. Feel free to expand the list.
    (“believing the PRC and the ABC” was unlucky to miss out on a top 5 spot)

  133. Gab

    They are so different to all the other ‘spiracy theories. I like that.

  134. notafan

    China appears to have reported zero new infections today.

    It’s a miracle.

  135. Ellie:

    There appears to be a gigantic battle going on. Trump verses the deep state.

    There is Ellie. There is.

  136. DHS

    Thank you John. An excellent post.

  137. Old School Conservative

    I just Googled “Rugby Australia salary cuts” and got nothing to do with salary cuts to Australian rugby players, coaches or administrators.
    Trying to verify Alan Jones’ stats in today’s Australian:
    * Raelene Castle, Scott Johnson and Rob Penney – $3 million
    * $15 million staff budget at Rugby Headquarters.
    * 15-20 full-time staff to coach the Wallabies for a dozen matches a season.

    Rugby Australia must announce some form of austerity very soon.
    (PS several examples of English Rugby salary cuts and club closures – just none in Australia. Yet.)

  138. Doomlord, count me in with the barbarians as well.

  139. Andreas

    The Guardian’s Benjamin Law keeping things in perspective:

    ‘In times of crisis, we turn to the arts. Now the arts is in crisis – and Scott Morrison is silent’

    I thought they’d be used to doing things with no audience.

  140. feelthebern

    feelthebern
    #3378187, posted on March 26, 2020 at 11:23 pm
    Here’s a doozy for ya’s.
    The federal government has been paying social media influences to post pro-stay at home messages.

    Does that include Doctors and supposed healthcare specialists?

    This story has legs.
    The government will not be able to hide the amount of money they have spent on this.
    I’m not on social media apart from twitter, so I don’t see what the outcome is.
    An “influencer” might get paid $500 to $1000 for a promoted post if they’re got a small audience.
    The more followers, the more dosh.
    So of you’re posting something every day to tell your follower to stay home, the Fed’s are could be paying you anything from a couple of grand a week up to who knows what ($50k, I don’t know).

    The key points are:
    1) When an Aussie “celebrity” tells their audience to stay home, there’s a high likelihood that we are paying for it;
    2) How quickly they all roll over for government money, what a pack of whores;
    3) How farkin much are we paying for this?

  141. Infidel Tiger

    Last night the majority of callers to 2GB seemed to be in favour of total shutdown

    What a surprise.

    People who never leave the house and collect a pension, see no problem with never leaving the house and collecting a pension.

  142. Gab

    The 2009 swine flu infected 1.4 Billion people around the world, and killed 575,000 people.

    There was no media panic, and societies did not shut down.

    #Coronavirus has infected less than 468,000 people, and killed 22,000 going into April.

    Just a little perspective.

  143. feelthebern

    The Ruby Princess disaster demands some form of accountability.
    The social media influencer campaign demands some form of extreme embarrassment for all those involved.

  144. johanna

    Just got back from the mall. Very quiet. Coles had staff at the entrance to restrict the flow, but they weren’t needed. I had to pack my own bags (which was fine, but slow). Checkout chick apologetic, everyone I saw was polite and assured her that they weren’t blaming her. Most specialty shops closed.

    A lot of items back in stock, but still no TP, which I haven’t seen there for weeks. Luckily I have my own reserves from before the panic. They filled up the TP shelves with disposable nappies.

    Cab owner/driver said he is thinking of taking a holiday. There is zero trade after 6pm, and about 50% down during the day. He is wiping interior surfaces and door handles after every passenger.

    The mood was mostly sombre, our politicians are very much on the nose, and everyone I spoke to knows at least one person who is in deep trouble because their income stream is kaput. This is Queanbeyan, where most people work in the private sector, and are very aware of the priviliged existence of the public servants in fairyland a few kms away.

  145. Mater

    You stole my thunder, Nota.

  146. Bruce of Newcastle

    As many as 14 per cent of recovered coronavirus patients in China have tested positive again, according to medical experts.

    The tests aren’t perfect by a long stretch, like the ones sent by China to Prague this week.

    I suspect a lot of the reported infections are actually due to lots and lots of false positives from rushed-out test kits. No one is going to dare criticize the numbers because of the backlash that would deluge upon them.

    It’s also possible that at least some of the test kits could be detecting other viral and bacterial infections.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

    This all will get better as more test kits become available, and the good kits replace less good kits.

  147. Shy Ted

    In “Did You Expect Anything Different?” news, it turns out we can access our super, $10k. All you have to do is go the the MyGov website. You know, the crashed one. So you can have it but you can’t get it. Did you expect anything different? I didn’t.

  148. Helen

    Gab and calli dont make my corona chicken yet. Needs tweaking. Too much fat and too much water. Need those grains soft and fluffy. Not soft and soggy.

  149. Dr Faustus

    Massage parlour cops $5000 fine

    During the patrol, police discovered a massage parlour, located on Sussex Street in Sydney’s CBD, was still operating, “contrary to a Public Health Order”.

    Surely an ‘essential service’ with the ALP NSW HQ just next door.

  150. Ted, what’s the deal with that?
    Can anyone/everyone access their super? Or only if you lost your gig?

  151. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Guardian’s Benjamin Law keeping things in perspective:
    ‘In times of crisis, we turn to the arts. Now the arts is in crisis – and Scott Morrison is silent’

    Hehe! In times of crisis we turn to…television.
    TV Viewership Climbing With People Stuck at Home by Virus (NYT, 26 Mar)

  152. areff

    I couldn’t believe my ears this morning when I heard the latest commercial from Frank Walker from National Tiles.

    Don’t worry, Tom, SEW Eurodrive keeps the faith and nestles yet in the heart of the populace.

  153. Boambee John

    Bruce of N

    I got the distinct impression that Qld election commission might not be quite so apolitical as people might think.

    Do, not dissimilar to the “Oops, we lost some boxes of votes” AEC?

  154. Roger

    Earliest known colour footage of London, taken on a fine day in 1924.

    Not exactly T. S. Eliot’s ‘Unreal City’ of social alienation, if you ask me, but then I’ve never spent a winter in London!

  155. “Oops, we lost some boxes of votes” AEC?

    This bound to happen during a toilet paper shortage.

  156. Ed Case

    It has also sparked recrim­inations focused on the wealthy businessman and his fashion industr­y partner who sought refuge­ in Portsea.

    Bit if tippytoeing around a politically thin skinned demographic going on there?

  157. Geriatric Mayfly

    calli
    #3378666, posted on March 27, 2020 at 9:57 am
    Is this the one you’re suggesting, Mayfly?

    Thanks again Calli for coming to the aid of th digitally cripple. That’s not what my mate from the UK sent me. Both of us in times of crisis always turn to the arts and The Tate offers much comfort:
    Dancing to the Arts
    Wellbeing and Art
    Disabilities and Art
    Queer Lives and Art
    Black Identities and Art
    And of course all those eye swivelling abstracts of bats – Asia and Art

  158. Nick

    In times of crisis, we turn to the arts.

    First they came for the puppets..

  159. Nick

    Remember all of the young gays who were going to suicide at the mere mention of a plebiscite? They must really be in strife now.

    Interpretive dance and puppets, now!

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Flintstones? You bet. Take it up with my cousin, Nick.
    Check my new Gravatar first. I have protection. 🙂

    To get some feel of the gentle giant that is my cousin, his son has published a series of vignettes about his Louisiana Cajun childhood, just as his dad, my cousin, has also published his own memories of being brought up as the son of my redoubtable aunt, my mother’s sister, born in 1920. Writing small vignettes seems to be in the genes somewhere. Including mine.

    Read these with a Louisana drawl. Talkin’ low, as my cousin calls it.

    Shotgun shells

    My dad bought a device that would allow him to make his own shotgun shells.

    He showed me what he was doing, and I was intrigued.

    When I would get bored, I’d go into the garage, grab a container of gunpowder and the container of pellets that went into the shotgun shell casings.

    It took about 20 seconds to measure the amount of gunpowder, pour it into the casing, pour in the pellets and then seal the shotgun shell up.

    I was cranking these things out.

    Nobody ever got hurt in the process, but I still wonder if it was a good idea to let a 10 year old boy play with gunpowder and make ammunition.

    Duck Hunting

    Dad took me and Scott to the camp to go duck hunting. We were only about six years old, so we were excited! We had our camouflage, our guns and were ready to kill some ducks.

    When we got to the duck blind, Scott and I just sat there holding our guns. Dad would shoot at the ducks every now and then, but Scott and I were bored and cold. We started complaining about the cold, and we wouldn’t shut up about it.

    Dad took us back to the camp, sat us down at the table and gave me and Scott each a shot of bourbon.

    “That’ll warm you up.” It did.

    This is a clan well-known in Houma and Bourg (circa 50 miles from Nawlins) and my doctor cousin’s daughter was also (paid for by her dad) Queen of the Nawlins Mardi Gras one year. So, quite well known.

    The tales give you the flavour of the cousin we stayed with; monster shiny pick up truck, huge Lexus SUV, big house that praises the Lord on its walls and everywhere else, with a guest cottage waiting for any relative in need, and encased in that quietly-spoken but determined man, a great big heart.

    He’s a pretty good shot, ex-military.

    Watch your lip, Nick.

  161. Dr Faustus

    I just Googled “Rugby Australia salary cuts” and got nothing to do with salary cuts to Australian rugby players, coaches or administrators.

    Alien Joyce will be pleased to see QANTAS’s investment being put to good use. This medical crisis will pass in 6 to 18 months; hard to imagine Australian rugby recovering without a crack team of administrators and a squad of marquee players in place.

  162. twostix

    I’m seeing things like “reset” and “rebuilt our democracy” start appearing in the bugman media.

    They have a plan for this, we’re not going to like it.

  163. John Commenus

    Johanna,

    Yes Queanbeyan is sort of like Campbelltown or Penrith is to Sydney. It has a higher rate of tradies and people who work in the “mundane” businesses that keep society and the economy going. Truck drivers, bulk distribution break up, plumbers, trade suppliers, sign writers, smash repair, mechanics, motels and lunch break spots for the workers. All these people are “non essential”.

    Meanwhile over the railway track in Canberra (or Sydney CBD) everyone who works in Government, the banks, the big firm HQ, are deemed essential. They all work, but increasingly from home.

    Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party are going to get a very rude shock soon – “non essential” people get one vote each, and SCOMO just added 1-2 million more “non essential” voters who will probably punish the Government for destroying their lives deliberately as an act of policy.

    I think that politicians are on the nose sentiment is dangerous. If in the wash up of this disaster, it is shown that the government over reacted, which I think is almost guaranteed, then SCOMO and the Libs will be as popular as PM Scullin was after the Great Depression hit. Pro tip – Scullin lost the next election.

  164. DHS

    I suspect a lot of the reported infections are actually due to lots and lots of false positives from rushed-out test kits. No one is going to dare criticize the numbers because of the backlash that would deluge upon them.

    It’s also possible that at least some of the test kits could be detecting other viral and bacterial infections.
    https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download
    This all will get better as more test kits become available, and the good kits replace less good kits.

    Oh no. You were doing so well until the last sentence.

    The tests will never be any good. They are all worthless. They have never been tested against the real worl (ie people who are sick with a specific symptom(s)). In fact, the real world gets changed to accommodate the tests – ie people who test positive but are not sick are assumed to be “asymptomatic carriers”.

    This is all a lie.

    All of it. There is no part of this hysterical nonsense which is remotely possible, let alone true.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There an AK47 in there somewhere, Nick, with a fine night scope. Also a Bull Gun that apparently can shoot a pie-sized hole in anything and drop a bull dead.

    Day or nite, there’s no messing with him and his people. Including me.

    He gets on very well with Hairy. The gun collection, accompanied by the requisite size of ammunition, was laid out on the bed for Hairy’s inspection, and photographs taken outside of Hairy scoping through the range with ammo belt holding pistol and hunting knife too, ready for anything. He’s even wearing a Rambo red bandanna my cousin provided for the shot. Hairy will NOT permit me to put them up here, but they are really great! 🙂

  166. Roger

    Yes Queanbeyan is sort of like Campbelltown or Penrith is to Sydney. It has a higher rate of tradies and people who work in the “mundane” businesses that keep society and the economy going.

    The sort of people who have no appreciation for ‘the arts’.

  167. Tel

    People who never leave the house and collect a pension, see no problem with never leaving the house and collecting a pension.

    It might be amusing to listen to them call up and complain when their pension doesn’t buy anything, because no one is working to make anything.

  168. lotocoti

    The always entertaining History Matters does the Spanish flu.

  169. Ed Case

    In “Did You Expect Anything Different?” news, it turns out we can access our super, $10k. All you have to do is go the the MyGov website.

    Or go directly to the ATO site rather than through MyGov.
    Gunner:
    Tuesday’s Oz states that ”Jobseekers, casuals, and Sole traders” can access the $10k before July 1 and another $10k before October 1 thru the ATO. By the sounds of it as long as you’re in one of those categories you can access the Super whether in work or not.

  170. feelthebern

    Cat’s on instagram or fb, have many of the Z-listers you follow been telling you to stay home?
    If so, ask them how much the government is whoring them out for.

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    Gab and calli dont make my corona chicken yet. Needs tweaking. Too much fat and too much water. Need those grains soft and fluffy. Not soft and soggy.

    Was this the one with 40 cloves of garlic? I did not see that among the ingredients, and any recipe that calls for the aromatic bulb, I increase the amount given to the power of 10.

  172. Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party are going to get a very rude shock soon – “non essential” people get one vote each, and SCOMO just added 1-2 million more “non essential” voters who will probably punish the Government for destroying their lives deliberately as an act of policy.

    I think that politicians are on the nose sentiment is dangerous. If in the wash up of this disaster, it is shown that the government over reacted, which I think is almost guaranteed, then SCOMO and the Libs will be as popular as PM Scullin was after the Great Depression hit. Pro tip – Scullin lost the next election.

    +∞

    like every word.

  173. DHS

    I think that politicians are on the nose sentiment is dangerous. If in the wash up of this disaster, it is shown that the government over reacted, which I think is almost guaranteed, then SCOMO and the Libs will be as popular as PM Scullin was after the Great Depression hit. Pro tip – Scullin lost the next election.

    To be fair, all political parties have been “all in” on this. In fact, the worst government of all has been the Labor government in Victoria.

    Of course, there is no reason to believe that the people will react rationally (they certainly aren’t being rational now) but it is entirely possible that all major parties are destroyed over this.

    Let’s hope it comes with jail time.

  174. Anne

    Eleven Planned Parenthood locations in the state of California have closed amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

    The sites are closed “until further notice,” according to the abortion giant’s website.

    https://www.lifenews.com/2020/03/26/11-california-planned-parenthood-abortion-centers-close-until-further-notice-during-coronavirus-crisis/

    Other States have also stopped industrialised mass murder of children.

    I’d wager these places will NOT reopen.

    By June there will be all new Justices on the SCOTUS & Roe v Wade will be overturned.

  175. John Commenus

    Twostix

    Very much the tone of the young public servant colleague I bumped into at the shops the other day was the opportunity for a reset. He was all about an opportunity for a reset. He didn’t understand that unemploying 1 million Aussies is not a good policy prescription for re-election.

    No doubt the reset will be to a low carbon economy where the Public Service wants to extend the emergency powers to unilaterally shut down businesses like Coal Mines by Government dictat to prevent the Climate emergency. I expect the AGW to co opt the language of pandemic to build the momentum for the low carbon “reset” for the “Climate Pandemic”.

    Unlike Bob’s hire a hubby business, or Lieu’s toenail centre, or the corner cafe, the Mines will likely go to Court.

    Never let a good crisis go to waste. The Government did – it had an opportunity to push lower tax rates as an emergency measure. The Public Service didn’t,it has massively expanded its power, reach and size. Australia will pay for this – especially the private sector.

  176. Nick

    Bern, I’m too busy laughing at the Dutton is evil/Sco Mo is an idiot brigade demanding we close the borders and the Government give us money, now!

  177. Knuckle Dragger:

    I think there’s a massive argument that the Consty well and truly overrides the State laws, and that WHEN TESTED will win – and win bigly. If someone wants to put their hand up and make that HCA argument I’ll back it in to the hilt.

    And there’s the killer line – When Tested.
    The High Court is on holidays, remember?

    Now look at the manky beast that has lifted its leprotic head above the swamp water:

    An international body with executive powers could fight the virus on two fronts Mr Brown explained. Firstly in the effort to produce an effective vaccine, and secondly to manufacture and distribute it, along with essential medical supplies, without profiteering occurring.

    Gordon Brown – former GB PM.
    We are watching a civil war being proposed.

  178. Roger

    Scullin had a formidable opponent in the UAP led by Lyons.

    Here’s what Albanese is leading with today via Twitter: “We need direct support for the arts.”

  179. Ed Case

    Governments don’t get thrown out in times of uncertainty.
    Howard proved that in 2001.
    In any case Morrison is giving the State Premiers the rope to hang themselves and the Labor Premiers + Gladys and pals are allowing their inner fascist off the leash.

  180. rickw

    The Ruby Princess disaster demands some form of accountability.
    The social media influencer campaign demands some form of extreme embarrassment for all those involved.

    Air drop the fucktards involved onto the nearest available plague ship.

  181. twostix

    Reading any British person’s Twitter feed, it’s so weird how they worship the NHS.

    Real Creepsville.

  182. John Commenus

    Roger

    Queanbeyan is a vibrant centre for the arts – but mainly of the type that don’t need government hand outs to survive. Think rock and roll music. Why, recently I went to Quangers, as Canberrans affectionately call Queanbeyan, to see Tex Perkins play at the very stylish Royal Hotel. Great wine list and not a bad steak to go with it. The warm up act of Mike was almost like a slightly more countrified version of Chris Isaac.

  183. candy

    ie people who test positive but are not sick are assumed to be “asymptomatic carriers”.

    DHS
    Could it be a fine line though? A person may be deemed asymptomatic but actually has very low mild symptoms that are hardly make themselves noticed. A very slight sorish throat, eg. In that timeline the virus is passed on – like with a cold, gastro etc.?

  184. Nick

    Prince Harry and Meghan Markle leave Canada and set up home in LA amid the coronavirus crisis and flew by private jet to California before Trump closed the border

    A source said: ‘The borders were closing, flights stopping…they had to get out’
    They want to be close to ‘their new team of Hollywood agents and PRs’
    Harry and Meghan had been holed up in their Vancouver waterfront mansion
    Sources say it was hoped that they might return to Britain amid the pandemic
    The move is said to have ‘stunned and horrified’ others in the royal family after Prince Charles, 71, tested positive for coronavirus
    A source told the DailyMail.com Wednesday Meghan had forbidden her husband from traveling to the UK to see his sick father

    I thought they were waiting for Trump to go ?

  185. mh

    I’ll turn up at the polling booths to vote tomorrow – rain, hail or coronavirus.

    Hopefully there will be a sausage sizzle.

  186. Roger

    Roger

    Queanbeyan is a vibrant centre for the arts

    Sarcasm, John; directed at the luvvies & their hatred of sururban/regional Australians.

  187. mh

    Ok, I’m calling it.

    Matrix Transform wins UK death lotto. 🥳

  188. calli

    You could do it like a biriani, Helen. With long grain rice that soaks up the chicken juice and some of the stock. Mmmmmm… Israeli couscous will want a bit more fluid too, rather than the normal stuff.

  189. John Commenus

    Roger it’s not saracasm.

    I went to Queanbeyan to enjoy the arts that normal people enjoy and they don’t need a government hand out to enjoy it – we pay for it out of our own pocket. And the pub is excellent and doing regular gigs that pay their own way,

  190. Geriatric Mayfly

    Geriatric Mayfly,
    Would this be the site?
    https://www.tate.org.uk/art

    You’re onto it P. Now you, and hopefully others, can sit back and really profit from your isolation.

  191. 8th Dan

    Alors … the spaminator doesn’t like Fragonard’s The Swing link.

    Pity, as Rowe’s take on it today is brilliant.

  192. feelthebern

    Joe Biden alleged victim speaks out.
    This is hard going.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tfnIkQ-qU

    Zero doubt Trump sexually harassed 100’s of women.
    Zero doubt Trump slept with 100’s of women.
    Yet to see anything convincing that he forced himself on anyone, ever.
    That is a yuuuuge difference.

  193. johanna

    The people I spoke to (I made a point of chatting to as many as I could) were incredulous about the doofus Minister who was shocked at the lines at Centrelink and the meltdown of the website. To them, it illustrated the disconnect between the political class and the real world to a T. Anyone in the street here could have predicted it, but he and his highly paid advisers had NFI. Says it all.

    I don’t think the disaffection for the political class is party based – nobody said ‘if only Labor was in charge’ or anything like it. People here are all too familiar with the arrogance of permanent public servants and politicians, who lose nothing by these measures, irrespective of party preferences.

    The grog shop and the tobacconist were still open, but gawd help them if they close those down.

  194. DHS

    DHS
    Could it be a fine line though? A person may be deemed asymptomatic but actually has very low mild symptoms that are hardly make themselves noticed. A very slight sorish throat, eg. In that timeline the virus is passed on – like with a cold, gastro etc.?

    But that’s my point. You need to establish that certain people are sick *before* you know whether they test positive. That is the one and only way to establish whether or not the test has any meaning.

    If in a random group of, say, 100 you have already deemed 90 of them to be sick because each one of them sneezed in the past 24 hours you aren’t going to get a useful “test of the test” anyway.

    I will repeat what I have said several times.

    You need to get a group of, say 100 people and establish who is sick and with which symptoms.

    Let’s say 10 of them are sick with respiratory symptoms and your test (performed by people who are completely blind to the health status of the 100 people) shows results that correspond very well (maybe not perfectly but very close) to those that are sick with the expected symptoms and does not correspond with people who don’t have the symptoms then you have a decent test. Of course, doing this once would not be enough. You would need multiple groups of 100 people but you get the idea.

    But this is *never* done.

    I repeat.

    This is *never* done.

    And like I said, they do it backwards. Instead of determining if the test matches up to the real world they alter the real world to match up to the tests – by declaring all positives without symptoms as being “asymptomatic carriers”.

    This is not science. It is not falsifiable and has nothing to do with reality. It has an awful lot to do with keeping doctors, pathologists, virologists and immunologists in jobs (and these people call themselves scientists), but it is not science.

    And it never was.

    The very idea of an asymptomatic carrier meant that Koch’s Postulates were, by definition, never actually fulfilled. Not once.

    It’s all a lie. All of it.

  195. Roger

    I went to Queanbeyan to enjoy the arts that normal people enjoy and they don’t need a government hand out to enjoy it – we pay for it out of our own pocket. And the pub is excellent and doing regular gigs that pay their own way,

    Yes, the sort of thing the Benjamin Laws of this world look down their noses at: ordinary people creating their own folk culture without the approval of their betters.

  196. feelthebern

    Trump accuser, E Jean Carroll.

  197. feelthebern

    I keep seen a lot of modelling on infection rates & this flattening the curve.
    I haven’t nearly has much modelling on the impacts of the the shut downs of populations.
    My bet, the government, treasury, RBA haven’t done much.

  198. 8th Dan

    Merde.

    Just google Fragonard and you’ll see what I mean.

    You too, Tom.

  199. Roger

    The grog shop and the tobacconist were still open, but gawd help them if they close those down.

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

  200. P

    Geriatric Mayfly,
    Would this be the site?
    https://www.tate.org.uk/art
    You’re onto it P. Now you, and hopefully others, can sit back and really profit from your isolation.

    I pasted it twice before but each time it was eaten. Just disappeared. Beats me.

  201. Roger

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

    With a state election on 31 October, Labor pulling the pin on bottle shops would be a bigger electoral shot in the foot than their obstruction of Adani.

    Are Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee smart enough to realise this?

  202. The Beer Whisperer

    This is the thing though. Trump can be a barbarian all he likes, and the vast majority of the punters (no Plagiarism Bob, not 8.7%) will love him if for no other reason than he’s a decision maker, as opposed to our own ‘leadership’ that dynamites an entire economy because somebody said so, but still lets chicks have three hour haircuts because ‘community feedback’.

    This is SloMo’s GST cake moment. The fact that he didn’t learn from such an obvious lesson is all on him.

  203. Infidel Tiger

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

    I hope they do it.

    Riots and ram raids may be the only way to fix this mess.

  204. calli

    Labor pulling the pin on bottle shops would be a bigger electoral shot in the foot than their obstruction of Adani.

    I can’t help but think it’s a test to see just how far they can push. For future reference.

  205. John Commenus

    Roger – you have my post 100% the wrong way around. I am genuine in my enjoyment of what Queanbeyan had to offer. Like wise similar shows would be popular in Batemans Bay or Toowoomba. Like I said, I paid myself as did all he punters who attended. They didn’t need any bureaucrat funding from Canberra.

  206. Infidel Tiger

    Brian Dordevic Mobile phone with rightwards arrow at leftCameraChart with upwards trend
    @briandordevic

    Belgium Health minister has put a ban on all sexual activities of three people or more after a coronavirus party last week turned into a 500-participant orgy and ended with 380 cases of contamination.
    1:52 AM · Mar 26, 2020·

  207. Roger

    Roger – you have my post 100% the wrong way around.

    We appear to be on the same page but reading in different languages.

  208. lotocoti

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

    There was some gurning throw-away about being more afraid of Dan Murphy’s.

  209. Diogenes

    The social media influencer campaign demands some form of extreme embarrassment for all those involved.

    Whilst I would like to see all social influencers dropped into a plague ship.

    The son & DiL are in their 30s.
    1. They do not watch news !
    2. They very rarely watch broadcast TV and then rarely ABC kids which is on for no1 grandchild, otherwise Netflix/Stan/Disney+/youtube at a pinch
    3. They do not own a radio, the car radios are only used as bluetooth speakers for Spotify
    4. They do not buy, nor do they read newspapers the local rag goes still rolled-up , and unread into the bin.

    Most of my students and their parents are the same. There is a reason the MSM is struggling across all its forms. Would you rather see millions pissed up the wall on paying for tv ads, that are unwatched, multiple millions for radio ads few listen to, more multiple millions for newspaper ads, or pay people who actually have an audience that TV, radio and papers miss.

    Until we spoke to them last night and expressed our disappointment that we could not come up for Easter unless the border reopens/self isolation rules lifted, they had no idea the Qld border was closed (and they live on the Sunshine Coast IN Queensland!)

  210. feelthebern

    Statists wake up with huge erections at the moment.
    When the God-King re-opens the US (ex NY) those erections will revert back to flaccid nothings again.

  211. Roger

    I can’t help but think it’s a test to see just how far they can push. For future reference.

    And they probably imagine the punters aren’t on to it.

    The other day my wife was making some fruit wine and I popped down to the homebrew shop to get the yeast. The owner said he’d just had the biggest three days of trading in 15 years of owning the shop.

  212. egg_

    I keep seen a lot of modelling on infection rates & this flattening the curve.
    I haven’t nearly has much modelling on the impacts of the the shut downs of populations.
    My bet, the government, treasury, RBA haven’t done much.

    Only thing I’ve seen was a Youtube someone posted a few days ago of a US based Pom Analyst talking of U-shaped and V-shaped recoveries.
    Even a short sharp shutdown IIRC he was saying could take many quarters, maybe years to recover completely?

  213. feelthebern

    WSJ alert.

    Trump Administration to Issue Guidelines for Classifying Areas by Coronavirus Risk

    The Trump administration is planning to issue guidelines categorizing counties across the nation as high-risk, medium-risk or low-risk to help state and local authorities decide whether to bolster or relax social distancing measures intended to combat the novel coronavirus.

    The US will be re-opening before Easter (ex NY).

  214. Tom

    You too, Tom.

    You’re a demented pervert, Googleory, just like your dullard hero Rowe, who has never had an original thought in his life, made excruciatingly worse because of the funk he’s in.

    As a betamale pansy and a coward, he can’t handle the alphamale who lives in his head. He’s so like you.

  215. egg_

    How’s the Grigbot’s Super reset going?

  216. feelthebern

    Only thing I’ve seen was a Youtube someone posted a few days ago of a US based Pom Analyst talking of U-shaped and V-shaped recoveries.

    LOL.
    The US will be V shaped.
    Australia will be more L shaped.

  217. Anne

    Trump says the Comfort will set sail Saturday and he’ll “kiss it goodbye”.

    Goodbye to the Deep State Pe do vores.

  218. Roger

    There was some gurning throw-away about being more afraid of Dan Murphy’s.

    Freudian slip. Don’t imagine for a moment they haven’t considered it.

  219. Diogenes

    and then rarely ABC kids

    oops then only ABC kids

    Working from home – trying to monitor my current class ‘Team’, faulty team, whole staff team , and emails as well as get some work done for next week. We are now on minimal staffing, 1 teacher from each faculty on premises every day in rotation. Only 46 /1000 kids @ school today

  220. 8th Dan

    Mais non.
    J’abandonne.
    C’est la vie.

  221. feelthebern

    The NFL has announced the draft will proceed April 23-25 (confirmed).
    No public event (at this stage).
    Bottom line, the US is getting ready to re-open (ex NY).

  222. John Commenus

    Now that the guy who initiated this panic is walking away from his own scare model that initiated the panic.

    Now, how can Government exit from the disaster they have foisted on all those “non essential” Australians? The answer is not easily. They will proclaim success and slowly ease of and move back to global warming emergency and climate catastrophe. Maybe the self imposed economic disaster will get a jersey in the post pandemic discussion.

    Even Albo will be smart enough to realise the real political opportunity is to attack the government for over reaction not for under reaction. When Albo makes that switch SCOMO is toast.

  223. candy

    Bottleshops seem a fairly clean environment. Stock not particularly manhandled and in cartons and holders of some sort. It’s not a mingling, hanging out at the register talking with people type place. Hairdressers would have more bacteria simply because of the time factor.

    Unlike Woolies and Coles etc with the dirty reusable bags sitting on the checkout and pushed around and groceries touched and handled and put back on the shelves, kids fiddling with things. Everyone touching the conveyor belt. It’s a germ rest. Always has been.

  224. egg_

    Ellen of Tasmania
    #3373297, posted on March 24, 2020 at 11:42 am
    For ‘Struth’ – the virus is just the excuse.

  225. EvilElvis

    Been dropping a few comments on liberal party posts regarding the handling of the virus.

    FMD if the fucking foreigners and boomer plus age fucktards come running out defensively.

  226. John Commenus

    Scare modelling by academics, amplified by big media and supported by even bigger governments is the greatest threat to our democracy, our rights and our freedoms.

  227. egg_

    Ellen of Tasmania
    #3373297, posted on March 24, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Reposted above is the one, Bern,

  228. 2dogs

    Thousands of Australian doctors, nurses and health workers will be given a tuberculosis vaccine in a trial that, if successful, could see it made widely available within three months to slow the spread of COVID-19

    Is there any indication that those who have had TB are immune to COVID-19?

  229. egg_

    Now that the guy who initiated this panic is walking away from his own scare model that initiated the panic.

    If only the hide-the-decliners would do the same, Greta-in-isolation?

  230. The Beer Whisperer

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

    I hope they do it.

    Riots and ram raids may be the only way to fix this mess.

    That’s it, then. I’m spending my sole money buying up all the grog to sell on the black market.

    Living the Aussie dream, I ams!!!!!

  231. The Beer Whisperer

    Dole. Fuck you, spellwrecker.

  232. custard

    Our cleaners (work) partner is in the regular army. 2 days ago told to be ready for instant deployment and last night all regular and reservists told to be on parade this morning.

    The lock down is coming….

  233. egg_

    FMD if the fucking foreigners and boomer plus age fucktards come running out defensively.

    Right on target – keep up the good work!

  234. 8th Dan

    Merci, Professeur Davidson.

    For those who do not parle Francais … the Doomlord had kindly released my earlier comments.
    There you can see just how brilliant Rowe’s variation on Fragonard’s The Swing really is.
    Even you, Tom.

  235. Top Ender

    THIS PAIN MUST BE SHARED AROUND

    DANIEL WILD

    Cutting $30bn of wasteful government spending could help save 375,000 jobs

    The economic and social burden of the government-imposed sanctions to manage the health crisis must be shared equally with the public sector, which so far has remained shielded from the fallout while thousands of small businesses, sole traders and tradies go to the wall.

    Seven modest measures to cut inefficient and wasteful government spending worth $30bn could be redirected to help fund the commonwealth government economic recovery packages, which assuming an annual salary of $80,000 could save 375,000 jobs.

    Inefficient and wasteful spending is any dollar the commonwealth government is spending that does not meet the objectives set out by Scott Morrison of keeping Australians in a job and businesses operating.

    Public servants on average have higher wages and higher superannuation contributions than private sector workers in Australia. This is unacceptable in good times but unconscionable in the middle of economic and social Armageddon.

    According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, average weekly private sector earnings are 20 per cent lower than in the public sector, implying a $4.4bn annual commonwealth public service wage premium (20 per cent of the total commonwealth public sector wage bill of $22.12bn).

    Commonwealth public servants also receive at least 15.4 per cent superannuation, compared with 9.5 per cent for private sector workers, implying a $1.3bn annual commonwealth public service superannuation premium.

    The combined premium is $5.7bn, which (at an annual salary of $80,000) would be equivalent to 71,250 jobs.

    Scandalously, according to the Australian Public Service Commissioner’s 2018 Remuneration Report, one executive level 2 employee — which is the equivalent to a middle manager who might manage five staff — received $934,612 in 2018. This included an eye-watering “retention bonus” of $91,196, which is higher than Australia’s median salary.

    No one in the public service should be receiving a productivity or retention bonus until the crisis is over and the unemployment rate drops below 5 per cent.

    According to the APSC’s report, the average “benefit” component — sign-on, productivity, retention and performance bonuses — of public sector salaries is 15 per cent. Removing this and keeping the remaining 85 per cent base salary would net $3.3bn, or 41,250 jobs.

    The Clean Energy Finance Corporation oversees $10bn of investment in clean power that has done little other than give Australia the fourth highest electricity prices in the world. This is the equivalent 125,000 jobs.

    The government provided a one-off grant of $444m to the Great Barrier Reef Authority in 2018 when the authority had only six full-time members. This grant should be recalled, to the value of 5500 jobs.

    The ABC’s property portfolios in Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne are worth about $522m. Having the public broadcaster lease premises while selling these would help save more than 6000 jobs.

    Selling the National Broadband Network could retrieve just less than $10bn, according to the Parliamentary Budget Office, the equivalent to a further 125,000 jobs.

    These are more than just numbers. These are lives and livelihoods.

    Every effort must be made to keep Australians in their jobs. A job and a life are more valuable than a windmill or a solar panel, or the ability for a retired public service employee to play golf three times a week instead of twice.

    The longer someone is unemployed, the harder it is to get back into work.

    Maintaining the relationship between workers and their employers will play the most important role in the nation’s recovery.

    Yes, many will rely on unemployment benefits. But more than a few of those who now enter the queues outside Centrelink will never work again. The bureaucrats and experts who are re-engineering our society and economy but who themselves might never stand in an unemployment line seem less than fully aware of this stark fact.

    The financial costs of unemployment are obvious. But the social, cultural and psychological costs are substantial and, in many cases, permanent.

    A job is more than a pay cheque; it is source of meaning, dignity and self-sufficiency. People who do not work are often unable to afford their own home, involve themselves in their communities or build a family. The impacts of joblessness can be felt for generations, as the children of the unemployed fall behind at school and must endure the domestic pressures associated with that loss of income. Some might even come to the conclusion that they have little to live for and nothing to offer the world.

    Equality of sacrifice is required to get Australia through this unprecedented challenge. We must all dig in.

    Daniel Wild is director of research at the Institute of Public Affairs.

    A job is more than a pay cheque; it is source of meaning, dignity and self-sufficiency. People who do not work are often unable to afford their own home, involve themselves in their communities or build a family

    Oz print edition

  236. MatrixTransform

    Matrix Transform wins UK death lotto

    *moonwalks

  237. egg_

    The lock down is coming….

    Are the fvcktards practicing for a real event?
    Don’t waste an opportunity?

  238. MatrixTransform

    * to the kitchen to make coffee

  239. Des Deskperson

    ‘I went to Queanbeyan to enjoy the arts that normal people enjoy and they don’t need a government hand out to enjoy it’

    Canberra’s taste – that’s the people, not the government, although there are probably similarities – in arts and entertainment is, not surprisingly, safe, earnest and lower middld brow. Crowded House, Paul Kelly and Bruce Springsteen are big here.

  240. woolfe

    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

  241. Zatara

    Now that the guy who initiated this panic is walking away from his own scare model that initiated the panic.

    You mean like this?

    Last week American hedge fund boss Bill Ackman created a panic by urging President Trump to shut down the borders, “Hell is coming!”

    During his interview with CNBC Ackman created panic by pushing the lie that the virus kills 1-2% of people and 3-4% of people in China. He told CNBC in a shaky voice that, “This thing can spread everywhere!… 50% of the world is going to get infected! I just rolled this thing forward and said it’s just a matter of time!”

    Then the other shoe dropped:

    Bill Ackman announced today he made $2.6 billion from a one-off bet that the coronavirus would cause a global panic.

    Somehow I think he’ll soon be spending long hours chatting with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

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