Open Forum: March 28, 2020

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  1. egg_

    Nothing adds up or we have been fed a lot if nonsense.

    D. All the above.

  2. Armadillo

    HI Graham.

    Quite right, Mark A.

    But let’s not let Arky off the hook here.

    It’s the accusation that counts, not the conviction.

  3. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Any relationship to the person that you speak thereof probably precedes the Bronze age catastrophe some three thousand years. But you know. Ireland is really a shortened version of Aryanland, in terms of the way the language developed from the original Indo-European. Or some people lacking in the full fastidiousness and poopy pants nature of modern scholarship might make such a connection anyhow.

  4. Rex Mango

    Romea & Juliet by Baz Luhrmann is a great film, probably his best. Strictly Ballroom good too, but he did well with Romeo & Juliet.

  5. Twostix

    If this is Stage 4, what’s Stage 5?

    Scott Morrison announces every Australian must Drink the Koolaid.

    30% obediently do. Police fine “irresponsible” “disgraceful” hold outs $50,000 each.

    Ten people are sentenced to six months in gaol.

    Morrison threatens stage six will have to be implemented if “stupid selfish people” continue to refuse to drink the Koolaid. “We must flatten the curve at any cost” Dr Bugman mcBugman chief medical advisor to the government exclaimed. “If it saves just one life your death will be worth it”.

  6. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, so who was Shakespeare?

  7. Tom Bombay Dillo

    The Luhrmann edition.

    Really fantastic wasn’t it? Although John Woo ought to have taken over the action sequences. Bazzer did an okay job of them. But John Woo would have given them a bit more sparkle. The female lead was fantastic. I’m always knocked out by the irresponsibility of the man of the cloth. Fortunately we have never seen this before or since in a highly placed church member. Clever fellow this Luhrmann. Sometimes takes himself a bit too seriously.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    Ed Case
    #3383603, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    it’s in the water

    How does it survive amongst the chlorine, fluoride, alum, calcium, E-Coli and dead crows?

    It survived in a Wuhan Wet Market so a dam in Australia is a peace of piss and those chemicals… ppffft

  9. egg_

    The only ones NOT drinking the Koolaid are the Docs who didn’t quarantine.

  10. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, not interested in what you think abut Luhrmann, what about Will Shakespeare & what was his/their best play?

  11. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Tom BD, so who was Shakespeare?

    The very question doesn’t get to the heart of it. But there were probably many writing team members. But my best guess as to the two major team members would probably be Christopher and Emily. They probably did the majority of the drafts.

  12. egg_

    1 Million Koolaid drinkers now on Newstart, Comrade.

  13. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Tom BD, not interested in what you think abut Luhrmann,

    Its not like you are a Brahmin or something. Its hard to imagine the presumptuousness of an Aussie wannabe saying such a thing.

  14. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, so Shakespeare was a team effort and Marlowe on the team. But who is Emily?

  15. Arky

    Is there any xunt on this page right now who I’m still on speaking terms with?
    Fuckssake.
    What is this? The hate Arky thread?
    While you’re all in one place: Go fuck yourselves.

  16. Ed Case

    “If it saves just one life your death will be worth it”.

    How can anyone argue against this remorseless logic?

  17. Rex Mango

    Tom BD. so what is your favourite play by all these people who we don’t who they are?

  18. C.L.

    Funny how the notoriously left-leaning medical apparatchiks announced the more-than-two ban 24 hours after a Labor state government sought to steal an election while the LNP’s core constituency was locked in their homes.

    None of this is worth it.
    Morrison is now doing whatever the lunatics tell him because he fears the paper trail.

  19. Arky

    Armadillo
    #3383631, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:13 am

    ..
    Especially you.

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    TBD Bird,

    We are agreed on that point.

    Luhrmann. Not cows and zinc.

  21. Old School Conservative

    Alan Jones slugs it out with Alan Joyce.

    “The Flying Kangaroo had helped hasten the spread of coronavirus in Australia by pressing ahead with direct flights from the virus’s original epicentre, China to Australia, and at the time, playing down the risk.”

    Something to watch while in shutdown.

  22. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘While you’re all in one place: Go fuck yourselves.’

    Ease up, turbo. You’re not Ragu y’know.

    Wick found another dog at the end. I could make some stark comparisons here, but won’t.

  23. Tom Bombay Dillo

    what was his/their best play?

    People who know more about this than me often will say Hamlet. But perhaps this one affords more of the theatrical arts than the other plays. And deep philosophy only made plain to us by over exposure.

    Personally I see the Prince as a typical whiter shade of pale fellow on the turps. But there is a kind of perfection in the balance of it, that I’d have to compare to the movie Sling Blade. Its not true to say that he was a fellow that delayed too much before murder. This cannot be sustained. Should you murder the King on the basis of a supposed ghost visitation? I mean get real. And he certainly was quick to kill the old man behind the curtain. He deep-sixed his university pals with great despatch. So hasty judgements to his actions cannot be made. Of course you hesitate before you kill the King. Which brings me to Macbeth.

    Macbeth is half as long with even stronger language. Just this horrific bloodbath and such powerful lines. I’m not qualified to say its the better play. But its an ancestor to Scarface and I can understand it an whole lot better.

    To me King Lear is the greater work of art than the other two. But I’ll not watch again for a couple of decades, nor will I watch Othello. Why screw yourself up so badly and make yourself suicidal for a couple of months just to see something you’ve already seen?

  24. Arky

    Wick found another dog at the end.

    ..
    They kill that one too.
    John Wick 4.

  25. EvilElvis

    While you’re all in one place: Go fuck yourselves.

    Fair point after crashing what appears to be the bird outreach thread, Arky. Apparently?

  26. Arky

    the bird outreach thread

    ..
    Bird is here?
    Who is it?

  27. EvilElvis

    John Wick is fucking brilliant.

  28. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Let your heart not be troubled Arky. They haven’t even got the gene pool right this time.

  29. Rex Mango

    Tom DB, but yes he was an itinerant nobody actor who became a gentleman by writing a bunch of plays. Like many of that profession.

  30. Armadillo

    Especially you.

    I’ve tried my best to befriend you, Arky.

    I really have. You just keep pushing me away.

  31. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Macbeth is half as long with even stronger language. Just this horrific bloodbath and such powerful lines. I’m not qualified to say its the better play. But its an ancestor to Scarface and I can understand it an whole lot better.’

    An ancestor to Scarface. You see this? This is brilliant.

    If we didn’t have to sift through rabbinical persuasions, Brahmin this, Yamnya and Corded Ware that and the Black Prince and zinc all the goddamn time Bird could be one of the greats.

    But he does, so he’s not. And it’s a damn shame.

  32. JC

    I read up a little more about Ballamy and just as I thought, whenever a greens scumbag is involved in anything, logic is inverted and truth perverted. Of course, some of the conspiracy theorists here jumped on this to suggest it somehow proves PRC inc was behind it.

    Ballamy raced into the baby formula exporting business after Chinese equivalent products were harming kids there. Every single baby formula firm in the world coming from countries with decent reputations for food quality raced in. The market was swamped and Chinese manufacturers ran to the government for assistance/protection. Unfortunately, the Government there does what most governments do when their domestic industry is threatened. They put the clamps on and slowed down import licensing.

    The dickhead, Fishhead-Wilson or whatever his name is was simply lying about Chinese skullduggery. He was trying to help out a firm heavily involved in the organic business and that’s the only reason he went in. Never ever trust a greens.

  33. Armadillo

    Sinc, please ban Arky.

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘They kill that one too.’

    Moral of the story, and a rule to live by:

    There’s always another dog.

  35. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Tom DB, but yes he was an itinerant nobody actor who became a gentleman by writing a bunch of plays. Like many of that profession.

    That reminds me of the story where none of the pieces of strong were allowed to drink in the taverns. Then one of these hard-core homies with an Afro told his friends that he could get away with it. Bartender says “Aren’t you a piece of string” Homie says “No I’m a Fraid Knot.”

    No I’m afraid not. And next time Adolf Husseini Gupta Von Goldstein. Don’t try and pull off your nonsense by mere repetition.

  36. Rex Mango

    Tom DB, what you think about Coriolanus, kind’ve misogynistic a bit eh?

  37. Tom Bombay Dillo

    I was able to reverse engineer the name of the alter ego of Superman. The boys took his name from King Lear.

  38. Armadillo

    Bird could be one of the greats.

    Does bird do Twitter? He would be a natural.

  39. Old School Conservative

    NRL players get a pay cut of 75%.
    NRL is found to have dipped into the players retirement fund to use on operational costs; $10 million gone over the last 2 years.
    Players not happy.

  40. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Tom DB, what you think about Coriolanus, kind’ve misogynistic a bit eh?

    I haven’t been motivated to get to know that play, since I read that the main character is very hard to warm to being a narcissist and a really cold piece of work. Like you have the angry envious evil guy in Othello. Then you have the ho-hum evil nihilist (literal) bastard in King Lear. But in both cases the play is fleshed out by really amazing deep and wonderful human beings. But my understanding is that with Coriolanus you have to put up with this nasty piece of work for too long. And having been traumatised by Othello and King Lear I’m unlikely to find the energy to get too deep into that one, not thinking that there might be some payoff.

    But the really great ones, that you can get me to go to any night at all, would be the ones with Hal and Falstaff. I won’t miss those ones. Because they don’t make me depressed. And my old pal is there.

  41. Rex Mango

    This track going out to to Tom DB, these guys were/are itinerant teachers:

  42. amortiser

    ScoMo says:

    Only leave home for work, shopping, or exercise (if following social distancing).

    With his latest restrictions my golf club has been shut down so there goes my regular exercise. Up to this point the club has closed its bar and food facilities; removed ball washers; removed sand buckets; put an insert in the holes below the lip so that touching the pin is avoided; shut down water bunkers on the course; stopped showers in the locker room; had one person mark all cards in the group; suspended the requirement for score cards to be signed; removed sunscreen from the locker room and the ice maker.

    All these actions were taken to eliminate contact and it worked very well. That wasn’t good enough so now there are layoffs of the staff and the golf course is closed for use by members.

    A good course is probably about the safest place to be but there you go. Another poke in the eye with a burnt stick. Meanwhile the people making these daft decisions and the so called public servants keep their pay and conditions while the productive people are shafted good and hard.

  43. Rex Mango

    Tom DB, you reckon Shakespeare was a racist due his views re a certain banker in Merchant of Venice?

  44. Tom Bombay Dillo

    Yeah TISM are fantastic. But you are laying on the Australiana a bit thick there. ( Bloody foreign posers).

  45. amortiser

    Water bubblers not water bunkers
    Golf course not good course

  46. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, was Shakespeare racist, or if there were multiple people obviously not?

  47. EvilElvis

    Yeah TISM are fantastic.

    *Falsetto*

    What are yaaaaaa

  48. Crossie

    min
    #3383616, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:02 am
    Wet markets are open again so how long before covid 19 breaks out or have the Chinese got a vaccine? Nothing adds up or we have been fed a lot if nonsense.

    Or they know quite well that the virus did not originate there.

  49. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, imagine for an instant that someone from low down the food chain, like yourself, wrote all those plays and banged all those women because of it and subsequent became a gentleman and here you are, more than four hundred years later trying to disavow their legacy due the tall poppy syndrome.

  50. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mindfree at 12:07 am:

    “Another Chris..this is a great one from 1978”

    “Fool that you think it’s over” – I’ve not heard that for years!

    That is from a period when there was so much good material – “Baker Street”; “I’m not in love”; “How deep is your love”; John Paul Young’s “Love Is in the Air” which they still play regularly 40 odd years later; Lionel Richie’s splendid voice and the Commodore’s beautiful harmonising; “Reminiscing” by Little River Band and their marvelous album “Backstage Pass” with the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra. Glen Shorrock is 75 now!

  51. Crossie

    Morrison is now doing whatever the lunatics tell him because he fears the paper trail.

    Do politicians lose their sense of logic when they get elected or were they always deficient in that quarter?

  52. Rex Mango

    Tom BD few minutes ago you were saying Shakespeare was written by committee.

  53. Armadillo

    The dickhead, Fishhead-Wilson or whatever his name is was simply lying about Chinese skullduggery. He was trying to help out a firm heavily involved in the organic business and that’s the only reason he went in. Never ever trust a greens.

    Everyone needs to look very closely about how entwined our politicians have become with China. I linked this earlier today;

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/another-bizarre-twist-in-now-aborted-virgin-read-chinese-plans-to-control-mega-flight-school/

    The reality is that Western companies (and Governments) are competing against a corporation with over a billion employees. There are no rules to abide by in China, other than theirs.

    The CCP have basically used the worst part of the capitalist system (greed) to try and take control.

    There are plenty of takers in the West, willing to sell their souls.

  54. mh

    UK another 209 deaths reported, however they tend to find more to add to the 24 hour total.

  55. Arky

    Looking at South Korea and Taiwan, I just don’t think there is ANY justification for this shut down now.
    At the very least they should give a firm date to get people back to work, taking only as long as is required to put together a South Korea / Taiwan type program.
    If there are equipment shortages stopping us immediately going that route, they need to be honest about that and state how they are going to fix those shortages. Shift whatever meagre capacity we still have towards making masks and other PPE. Start priming people that they will need to wear the shit.
    For fuck’s sake, give people some certainty, admit to the errors made, and plan a path back to some normalcy.
    Start now.

  56. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, if you believe that you probably also believe the World Trade Centres was a controlled demolition?

  57. Arky

    Three things have to be done:
    1. Admit the mistakes made- too slow to close borders, not protecting equipment supplies.
    2. Begin randomised community testing to find out how close we are to herd immunity.
    3. Put the nation back to work, first to manufacture what we need for the crisis, then to rejig restaurants and businesses for the post virus economy, while isolating vulnerable groups.

  58. Armadillo

    UK another 209 deaths reported, however they tend to find more to add to the 24 hour total.

    Bedsitts and bridges.

    The former are the common flu, the latter are the small business owners..

  59. Rex Mango

    Arky, in a free society such as ours is meant to be, the govt should give us a realtime map of where they are which would help us finding trouble makers.

  60. Arky

    Rex, they have been 100% directionally wrong all the way through.
    Downplaying it when they should have been moving with urgency, then, after it was too damn late dropping their bundle and pulling the economy.
    We need the damn economy. And you can put the economy to work solving the virus.

  61. Armadillo

    Arky is making a lot of sense here.

  62. EvilElvis

    For fuck’s sake, give people some certainty, admit to the errors made, and plan a path back to some normalcy.
    Start now.

    Pretty much what you’ve put in the last two posts Arky I’ve extended to a couple of sitting pollies. I gave them a timeline of this weekend to turn it around and get things back on track. The punters love certainty and even if there’s mistakes, admit to them and the plebs will be endeared to you. Lead by example and strength, not fucking committee.

  63. Arky

    Any response from them EE?

  64. Arky

    Arky is making a lot of sense here.

    ..
    I always do.
    especially when announcing my pangolin and armadilo eradication programs.

  65. Rex Mango

    Dillo, when you are in Arky’s camp I am your servant, sadly now headed for bed, because I have a job which doesn’t involve working from home like all your other parasites out there.

  66. Cpt Seahawks

    When the Stasi inform the people to go for flu shots and stay at home at the same time?

  67. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, the only thing I know is that those castes the empty sewers do their job better than you will ever do.

  68. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, you know what they say about shit scrapers?

  69. Steve trickler

    Enjoy the show, folks.



  70. Arky

    The CCP have basically used the worst part of the capitalist system (greed) to try and take control.

    There are plenty of takers in the West, willing to sell their souls.

    ..
    Always have been.
    We are an adversarial system. Only when an external threat reaches a certain threshold of immediate danger do we temporarily band together in common cause.
    Which is as it should be.
    But with China, that time is now.

  71. Armadillo

    30 million Australians are paying the price for the privileged who can afford to fly and sail the world.

    Ask them to self isolate for 14 days, they tell the country to go and get fucked.

  72. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, of course it is a job and anyone that would say otherwise is a cocksucker of massive propotions.

  73. Armadillo

    Only when an external threat reaches a certain threshold of immediate danger do we temporarily band together in common cause.

    A worm eats from the inside out.

  74. Rex Mango

    So Tom BD, who wrote Shakespeare?

  75. Rex Mango

    Not feeding the troll, feeding the retard.

  76. EvilElvis

    Any response from them EE?

    Not a peep. Weekend is done.

  77. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, who wrote Shakespeare? Simple question.

  78. Rex Mango

    Your simple answer is what? It was an actor come playwright, who became a gentleman called William Shakespeare.

  79. Crossie

    Arky
    #3383702, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:19 am
    Three things have to be done:
    1. Admit the mistakes made- too slow to close borders, not protecting equipment supplies.
    2. Begin randomised community testing to find out how close we are to herd immunity.
    3. Put the nation back to work, first to manufacture what we need for the crisis, then to rejig restaurants and businesses for the post virus economy, while isolating vulnerable groups.

    It’s clear to most people except the experts and their servants in politics.

  80. Rex Mango

    Tom BG, I found out Shakespeare wrote the plays attributed to him over last four hundred years because I am not a retard.

  81. Armadillo

    Is the dude in the video you, TBD?

    It’s pretty common to see stuff like this on blogs. Or is it your Father?

  82. Armadillo

    No need to be embarrassed.

    You speak rather eloquently with a lisp. You also know your subject matter.

  83. Rex Mango

    Tom BD, yes watched the 12min video & some fat bloke in front of a bunch of books reckons amongst other things the swan dying in three plays & the name Amelia who then does statistical probability to prove Amalie wrote the plays & of course the rabbit foot signature of 1594, which family Amelia was adopted into. No long bow at all. He then links it to the sonnets, love poems & Earl of Southhampton. One of the keys to the whole puzzle is rabbits foot, which apparently they sold everything to Henry VIII’s in rabbits foot in some such nonsense. Gotta go buy some more weed. PS also luv the way he talks about the Shakesperian Plays as if they are by someone else. PPS the weekest arguement I have heard is his strongest, which is his swan argument, it is completely bogus. Like saying the first aircraft was flown due to figureheads on sailing ships.

  84. Armadillo

    The stutter is a bit disconcerting at first, but no doubt your mother got used to it.

  85. Armadillo

    It was one word. Not a mumble jumble of sentences and paragraphs.

  86. NoFixedAddress

    Annie, go girl

    Bloomberg reported:

    In just these past few weeks, the Fed has cut rates by 150 basis points to near zero and run through its entire 2008 crisis handbook. That wasn’t enough to calm markets, though — so the central bank also announced $1 trillion a day in repurchase agreements and unlimited quantitative easing, which includes a hard-to-understand $625 billion of bond buying a week going forward. At this rate, the Fed will own two-thirds of the Treasury market in a year.

    But it’s the alphabet soup of new programs that deserve special consideration, as they could have profound long-term consequences for the functioning of the Fed and the allocation of capital in financial markets. Specifically, these are:

    CPFF (Commercial Paper Funding Facility) – buying commercial paper from the issuer.
    PMCCF (Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds from the issuer.
    TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility) – funding backstop for asset-backed securities.
    SMCCF (Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds and bond ETFs in the secondary market.
    MSBLP (Main Street Business Lending Program) – Details are to come, but it will lend to eligible small and medium-size businesses, complementing efforts by the Small Business Association.

    To put it bluntly, the Fed isn’t allowed to do any of this. The central bank is only allowed to purchase or lend against securities that have government guarantee. This includes Treasury securities, agency mortgage-backed securities and the debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. An argument can be made that can also include municipal securities, but nothing in the laundry list above.

    So how can they do this? The Fed will finance a special purpose vehicle (SPV) for each acronym to conduct these operations. The Treasury, using the Exchange Stabilization Fund, will make an equity investment in each SPV and be in a “first loss” position. What does this mean? In essence, the Treasury, not the Fed, is buying all these securities and backstopping of loans; the Fed is acting as banker and providing financing. The Fed hired BlackRock Inc. to purchase these securities and handle the administration of the SPVs on behalf of the owner, the Treasury.

    In other words, the federal government is nationalizing large swaths of the financial markets. The Fed is providing the money to do it. BlackRock will be doing the trades.

    This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.

  87. Mitch M.

    This is the cleverness of how you keep these controversies going. You never hear of team Shakespeare. You here that “He’s here, He’s Queer, He’s Edward De Vere” Or he’s Roger Bacon and now they have swung to Emilia. Its very frustrating because its always the same basic mistake. But they can make a good case that she’s part of the team.

    This is the sort of shit Arts graduates like to waste their brain on. Yes it is interesting and perplexing but in the absence of new information what’s the fucking point of even thinking about it? Every avenue has been explored, people have been discussing this for centuries but at least it makes for another publication in some obscure journal or perhaps even a thesis.

  88. NoFixedAddress

    Hydroxychloroquine: Help Is On The Way!
    Kevin McCullough Posted: Mar 29, 2020 11:10 AM


    Before the drug was mentioned by President Trump there had been a robust interest in looking at the replicated results from China, India, South Korea and France. Sadly, American medical authorities didn’t really give any credence to the claims until the controlled study in southern France, which returned a one in 10,000 chance that the results were anecdotal or in anyway not possible to replicate repeatedly.

    Here are just a handful of new developments from the last few days and hours.

    1. Dr. Fauci when asked if he would use the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, answered with resounding affirmation. (Simply because he had asked for better clinical evidence previously did not mean he was unaware of what the data was already showing).
    2. France reversed its previous ban on the drug. When the highly esteemed Dr. Didier Raoult released his first survey’s findings the French medical authorities were resistant. As he released an even larger study, with more patients and improved results from his initial study, the French public health officials had no choice but to give guidance as to its use.
    3. India’s public health guidance granted affirmation for physicians and front line medical workers to begin taking it as a preventative. This use was the very suggestion I recommended as first steps in this column a week ago. Since our own CDC has cited its prophylactic benefits our doctors and front line medical personnel should be taking it now.
    3. Given the increased acceptance here in the states not one, but as many as seven different pharmaceutical companies have agreed to mass produce as much as 250 million doses by mid-April. Given Dr. Raoult’s guidance in both of his studies this would give the globe enough inventory to cure 46,000,000 cases. Presently we have not yet hit one million cases worldwide. Notably Bayer, Novartis and Teva Pharm stepped up, pledging to donate several million doses right out of the shoot.
    4. Doctors began prescribing off-label use and in doing so are replicating the clinical results in remarkable fashion. One doctor in Monroe, New York has treated in excess of 700 patients. As of this writing he’s lost zero patients to death, zero to intubation, and only two to hospitalization. Another doctor in New York City has treated in excess of 100 patients with zero deaths.

    You can expect to see some clinical findings begin to trickle in on Monday through the end of this coming week.

    The clinical results showed the patient going from symptomatic to negative testing on average in 5-6 days. Tuesday will mark one week since the trials began. So watch the “recovery” numbers in New York closely, as there may be a bit of a pop.

    The Democrats, the media, and people who despise the president don’t want these trials to succeed.

    Use of them in the USA is already demonstrating life-saving results, and it appears there will be no inventory problem in prescribing them due to the generosity (not greed) of “big pharma.”

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/03/29/hydroxychloroquine-help-is-on-the-way-n2565926

  89. NoFixedAddress

    So with all the reported Chinese Daigou activity that has occurred with Chinese stripping protective supplies from Australian supermarket shelves and shipping it to China then Australians can rightfully claim that we made the difference in helping the Chinese people defeat their CCP inflicted CCP-Virus.

    I think an Aldi Bag of cash for everyone in Australia should be forthcoming, though presumably it wont exceed $10,000 because we wouldn’t want to exceed cash transaction limits.

    And I’m sure that Emperor Eleven will be sending many thanks to the Australian people.

  90. Mater

    Farmer Gez
    #3383435, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    An epidemiologist on channel 9 news spoke a lot of sense.
    Knock it down to a low level and you have it for many months or a year. Let it wash through at a manageable level and the young will become immune. The only cure is a vaccine.

    Why are we keeping the young and fit locked away and prolonging the pain?

    Are you sure it was an epidemiologist, Gez?
    I only ask because our resident pro bono expert (on everything) called my outline plan (based on this approach) “naive and arrogant“.

    But then again, he does seem to have a glass half full outlook on the lockdown.

    1735099
    #3382312, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:24 am

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

  91. NoFixedAddress

    Interesting when you call up the Worldometers Coronavirus Chart and sort on the ‘Deaths/1M pop’ column that Australia with 16 deaths has a ratio of 0.6 deaths per million. Same as Brazil, Poland and the Philippines.

    China, no doubt because of Australia’s help in supplying protective goods, only has 2 per million.

    USA has 7 deaths per million whilst Italy has 178 and Spain 141.

    Numbers at Last updated: March 29, 2020, 18:51 GMT

  92. struth

    Reading that NFA we should be lookung at an announcement in a couple of days max that all socialist isolating is over.
    Who would like to make a bet on it happening?
    At the moment our elected are being run by our socialist deep state insulated public servants and doctors who have no idea how the real world works and don’t care.
    If it saves just one life then the destruction of our civilization is worth it.
    We must defy these fuckers.
    We must expose their ignorance and we must call out the criminality of those outside the constitution.

    Basically we have handed our civilsation to Keryn Phelps types and other power drunk morons.

  93. johanna

    I am baffled about the latest edicts from the PM. Under what power can he interfere in tenancy agreements or restrict people’s movements?

    There is no legal basis for any of this crap.

    The States and Territories are in charge, and they all have different laws, which apply until their Parliaments change them. Which they have not done.

    As dicussed yesterday, some of them are using quarantine laws to restrict people’s movement, but IMO they are stretching them well beyond the limit. Unfortunately, by the time any challenge wends its way to the High Court, it will all be over.

    And it is worth saying over and over – the people doing this to us are all on full pay.

  94. struth

    I just wandered through the sickening world of Facebook.
    We’re screwed if Facebook people are the majority.
    Aussies are virtue signaling their way to totalitarian control and patting themselves on the back for doing it.
    Are there anyone of your Facebook or Twitter friends game to speak up?

  95. Davey Boy

    Heh.

    Smh report:

    Castle under siege: Players fuming ahead of D-Day
    Rugby Australia will outline only limited cost-cutting at its AGM on Monday amid news the organisation had not lodged its 2019 financial results

    I wonder why that would be?

  96. NoFixedAddress

    johanna
    #3383781, posted on March 30, 2020 at 6:41 am

    I am baffled about the latest edicts from the PM. Under what power can he interfere in tenancy agreements or restrict people’s movements?

    Best I can work out Johanna is that the PM is giving these edicts as the ‘front man’ of the ‘National Council’ or whatever it’s called which includes all the States and Territories and the various Premiers can hide behind Scotty and implement the edicts according to their State’s Law.

    I forget where I read that sorry but it was only the last few days that I saw that.

  97. Mater

    Are there anyone of your Facebook or Twitter friends game to speak up?

    Only on the closed, ex military groups.

    Everywhere else on FB is a swamp of Stasi informants, whinging about non-conformists of these non-sensical rules. Outwardly, not a cynical or questioning mind among them.

    If you speak to them in person, the tune is sometimes different.

    I love the meme going around that if Anne Frank can stay in an attic for 700+ days, surely we can do this, too. Before they know it, the analogy might get even more appropriate…depending on who is goose stepping on the streets outside.

  98. Sydney Boy

    Interesting when you call up the Worldometers Coronavirus Chart and sort on the ‘Deaths/1M pop’ column that Australia with 16 deaths has a ratio of 0.6 deaths per million. Same as Brazil, Poland and the Philippines.

    The worst thing I see is that the numbers between those given by the WHO, the Australian Health Department, and the Worldometer are all different.

  99. lotocoti

    With apologies to some American.
    Come now, citoyen,
    If we were planning to harm you,
    Do you think we would be circling town,
    In a helicopter,
    At oh-four-thirty?

    (It was probably a Rescue 500 trying to find the hospital in the fog. Kicking on the NightSun for the second circuit gave it a weird Close Encounters vibe.)

  100. Farmer Gez

    Are you sure it was an epidemiologist, Gez?

    He seemed to think he was.

    Numbers statement yesterday about not worrying where the virus came from sums up his depth of knowledge or research in most areas.

    Epidemiologists are keenly interested in where and how a disease manifests.

    You’re appraisal of the situation Mater, matched what I heard from an expert on a National 9 news. Numbers appraisal matches his own, rapidly crumbling, alternate reality.

  101. Rafe Champion

    Liberty Quote

    Political elites are desperately seeking legitimacy as their grip on power is forcibly relaxed by free world citizens who prefer grassroots government to supranational authority. In reaction to the resurgence of the democratic spirit, liberal elites are tossing Newspeak at the plebs. Thus far, they have turned patriots into xenophobes, democrats into populists, conservatives into ­autocrats, free speech into hate speech and diversity into demagoguery.

    — Jennifer Oriel

  102. 1735099

    Only on the closed ex military groups.

    Not the case with 7RAR.
    Current postings are a series of group training pics.
    No references to the virus at all.

  103. NoFixedAddress

    struth
    #3383778, posted on March 30, 2020 at 6:30 am

    Reading that NFA we should be looking at an announcement in a couple of days max that all socialist isolating is over.
    Who would like to make a bet on it happening?

    I won’t make or take the bet.

    I deleted my FBook about 6 years ago Struth and would not be bothered with Twitter.

    GAB might be a go but if you want to set up your own private network I would suggest Telegram https://telegram.org/

  104. 132andBush

    Mater @ 6:07,
    Had a short, furious argument with a mate, about six days ago re that.
    It’s been my view since reading those stats from the first cruise ship off Japan.
    Without revealing too much said mate is closely linked to Fed Gov and the only impression I got was they had found a huge red button labelled “PANIC” and were hammering it as hard as possible.

    I see a total lockdown happening.

  105. johanna

    I would be surprised if any State/Territory laws allowed people to not pay rent for six months.

    Anyway, for those at home looking for a spy movie, The Quiller Memorandum is on youtube.

    George Segal, Alec Guiness and the gorgeous Senta Berger.

    Somehow the director managed to make what should have been a superb movie into a bit of a plodder. But, it’s OK, thanks to the talent.

    Oh, and someone above said that Roger Moore is brown bread.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    Early episodes of The Saint are also on youtube. Well worth a look. What an impossibly handsome man he was. Sigh.

  106. struth

    A virus doesn’t make the Chinese rush out and buy dunny paper when this started.
    Knowledge of impending lock down would.
    That is my first conspiracy theory……….even though me talking about well known globalist socialism is conspiracy theory to some here.

  107. Mater

    1735099
    #3383794, posted on March 30, 2020 at 7:09 am

    Only on the closed ex military groups.

    Not the case with 7RAR.

    Shit, did I let the cat out of the bag? Oh well…
    That’s the cover site you’re looking at, Bob. Maintaining it for you is on a rotating roster.

  108. 1735099

    Numbers appraisal matches his own, rapidly crumbling, alternative reality.

    Absolute rot.
    The reality that is crumbling is the previous comfortable state of global capitalism.
    And many posting here are in a state of panicked denial, looking for someone to blame.
    So far, they’ve worked their way through the Chinese, the elected government, and now the medical profession.

  109. NoFixedAddress

    Sydney Boy
    #3383789, posted on March 30, 2020 at 7:05 am

    Agree SydneyB

    But given the track record I don’t even be bothered checking WHO.

    At least Worldometer seems to give reliable figures but timing goes come into play.

  110. 132andBush

    The reality that is crumbling is the previous comfortable state of global capitalism.

    So what you’re saying is if we were under a comfortable state of global socialism all would be tickety boo?

  111. Mater

    The reality that is crumbling is the previous comfortable state of global capitalism.

    See, this is the ONLY justification for him to be on this site. The canary in the mine.
    Bob’s view represents the view of a not insignificant portion of our community. Always helpful to know.

    Rest assured, there are people out there supporting the lockdown for reasons unrelated to “flattening the curve” and/or saving lives.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seeing that a communist country has caused this mess, the logical direction is more capitalism not less.

    Also treat the hostile communist country like we treat other hostile communist countries like Cuba and North Korea: close them off and have nothing to do with them.

  113. Farmer Gez

    The Chinese are to blame Numbers.
    Any other statement is delusional. Their eating habits combined with a neglect of inter species segregation in agriculture has produced the pig flu and COVID-19.
    You have no factual data at all to refute this fact.

    As for capitalism, could you tell me who Frydenberg is aiming his new emergency rules on foreign investment at?
    Hint…..not Americans.

  114. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez
    #3383805, posted on March 30, 2020 at 7:27 am

    The Chinese are to blame Numbers.

    I think he still entertains the idea the US military introduced it to China.

  115. Eyrie

    JC, do US Treasury bills have serial numbers?

  116. 132andBush

    Glyph getting really short now.
    No shuttles to be found but did source two pallets of 20lt drums.
    Arms getting a work out.

  117. Struth

    UK deaths from Covid-19 in the last 24 hours are 260. https://ncov2019.live/data

    This moron, BorisG, is linking to his statistical proof.
    Go to the “About” the website part.
    Hilarious.

  118. Struth

    Also note where the kid lives and just how well China is doing in the process!!
    You couldn’t make this shit up…………………….oh hang on, what am I saying?

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    Arky, 1.14 a.m.;

    ‘At the very least they should give a firm date to get people back to work, taking only as long as is required to put together a South Korea / Taiwan type program.’

    This is a really good point, humbly. The curve is flattening now that most of these cocks have come back from plague locations and are either isolated or their own personal C19 has burnt out like a match in a black paddock.

    If Morrison really, really wanted a ‘we’re all in this together’ mentality he’d front up later today and go ‘We’ve done really well so far. If the curve gets to X and cases (not deaths, cases) to Y and community transmission goes to Z them we’re back to work.’

  120. 1735099

    The Chinese are to blame Numbers.

    Allocating blame is futile.
    It’s about as useful as dealing with victim of a knifing by allowing the victim to bleed out on the street whilst berating the perpetrator.
    That’s how this site rolls, of course.

  121. NoFixedAddress

    johanna
    #3383797, posted on March 30, 2020 at 7:12 am

    I would be surprised if any State/Territory laws allowed people to not pay rent for six months.

    But do property rights still exist in Australia?

  122. Struth

    Absolute rot.
    The reality that is crumbling is the previous comfortable state of global capitalism.

    True.
    It’s under attack from corrupt communism and socialists.

    And many posting here are in a state of panicked denial, looking for someone to blame.

    This would be the one place that isn’t in denial, that would be facebook.

    So far, they’ve worked their way through the Chinese, the elected government, and now the medical profession.

    Yes and more are culpable.
    Did you teach the kiddies about our constitution sniffy?
    That’s rhetorical, commos lie and I already know the answer.

    There are many arseholes in the world to blame for this, right now, and you and your ilk are guilty as charged.

    Your blind hatred of the west is well noted sniffy, now fuck off,

  123. RobK

    For those in doubt about culpability:
    https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-warned-that-china-was-a-time-bomb-for-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-in-2007/
    They should have stopped eating bats in 2007. They ignored the scientific risk.

  124. NoFixedAddress

    JellyBean

    I know a bloke that needs a house in Toowoomba.

    Can you get your gear out by the weekend?

    Each According to Their Abilities, to Each According to Their Needs and all that.

    Right.

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    And as far as leadership goes, he’d be well advised to also say:

    ‘You know what? We’ve been far too reliant on Chinese student money, student family money, Belt and Road and cheap knock off technology from China for three decades.

    I admit that I was part of the problem. But no more. No more will we put all our eggs in a basket made of rampant disease and totalitarianism, because those two things and a decent society don’t mix.’

    Put your hand up. Take responsibility for your failures as well as your wins. Own it, and own the road back. The people will see this, and the non-pillow-fluffers among them will follow.

    In other words, stop fucking around standing on fences you great nonce.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    At this rate Numbers wouldn’t blame a communist country if it nuked Brisbane.

  127. mh

    The first official case of COVID-19 in Australia was Jan 24. We are now Mar 30, and it’s only this weekend that the government has appeared serious about sealing the borders. There are currently only 23 serious/critical of COVID-19 cases in Australia.

    What this shows is that the coronavirus is far less deadly in Australia than other countries.

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Actually, I’d also really like to him to use the word ‘jiggery-pokery’ in there too.

    Something like ‘Chinese jiggery-pokery has retarded our growth as a nation for decades.’

  129. RobK

    Allocating blame is futile.
    Tell that to the Chinese propaganda machine trying to deflect criticism by accusing the US.

  130. Farmer Gez

    ‘Blame is futile. ‘

    The below extract might inform you as to why blame is not futile as it prompts action for mitigation in the future.

    SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1). In late 2017, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Yunnan province.[1] No cases of the first SARS-CoV have been reported worldwide since 2004.[2]

    How many repeats on this prescription would you like?

  131. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Only on the closed ex military groups.’

    Yeah. I’m on a couple of those. I only look in from time to time though.

    Sadly, discussion on them (and my old battalion in particular) seems to be dominated by two or three different personalities among the couple of hundred on that site.

    Seems some prior military service gives a person free rein to comment on geopolitics, unemployment and political systems there too. Also, and hilariously, grudges are still held against various people or having to do various things from decades back.

    There’s some good stuff there which keeps my membership going, but still.

  132. The buying up in Australia starting with medical supplies in late January, well after the coronavirus was established in China.

    they then moved on to toilet paper and other household goods get your facts right conspiracy theory man

  133. Farmer Gez

    Numbers ain’t listening RobK.

  134. NoFixedAddress

    Struth

    If you did happen to go with https://telegram.org/ I’m on there with same handle as here

  135. custard

    Just had an interesting exchange on Twitter with a sub-contractor to #TheirABC have a look at @PeterCastieau
    They can’t or won’t answer why the ABC is Australia’s biggest media outlet nor answer why only the private sector is copping the Covid 19 pain.

  136. Struth

    Allocating blame is futile.

    Unless it’s who sent you to Vietnam!

    FMD.
    Fuck off numbers.
    Time for you to sit quietly in the corner sucking your thumb and realize what you and your ilk have done to this country and it’s about to bite you on the arse.

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    Plagiarism Bob, just now;

    ‘Allocating blame is futile.
    It’s about as useful as dealing with victim of a knifing by allowing the victim to bleed out on the street whilst berating the perpetrator.’

    In other words, very useful. If you replace ‘berating’ with ‘caving in the skull of’.

  138. mh

    The NHS has already failed Britons.

    Intensive care for coronavirus patients is now being limited to those “reasonably certain” to survive, a major NHS London trust has conceded.

    A department head at Imperial College Healthcare revealed on Sunday that fewer and fewer marginal patients are being selected for ventilator treatment because so many serious cases require a fortnight on the machines.

    It comes as the NHS faces the toughest week in its history, with the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Dr Jenny Harries, warning the number of deaths will increase.

  139. Knuckle Dragger

    Is it just me, or are the Auslan chicks getting fatter?

  140. 1735099

    Three lessons out of the current debacle.
    We need to develop sovereign capability.
    We need to abandon “just-in-time” supply chain thinking.
    We need to support public agencies in times of crisis.

    None of this is new learning, except perhaps the supply chain issue.
    It operated when we were threatened by imperial Japan in WW2.
    Complacency has always been an Australian trait.
    History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.
    The metre is not iambic pentameter, but Shakespeare could have written the script.
    It has everything – pathos, rage and comedy. It’s all there.
    The comedy is available on Catallaxy.

    And public servants, corporate CEOs, Politicians and ADF members should all take pay cuts.

  141. calli

    I am amazed how many Cats cannot listen or read and do not understand the rules

    The moment I read that, I thought of the Shire Shirrifs and their long list of rules pinned to the grim little Shirrif House. And the battle-weary hobbits’ reaction to them.

    And then there are the Sarumans and Wormtongues and Bill Fernys urging and calling and warning.

    If only John Constantine was still here. He could weave a great modern tale around these characters.

  142. JC

    I’ve read differently. Bellamy’s was doing well because of the daigou market, it had the imprimatur of a certain Mr N.

    When Bellamy’s started selling directly into the Chinese market, the daigou price was undercut and Mr N used his influence to make Bellamys pay for pushing the price down.

  143. Struth

    Sort of like facebook is it NFA?

    Excuse me, but I’m basic on the computer.
    I comment here, don’t use facebook except for a business page that is near useless these days without spending money, and youtube music videos for my musician work that I used to have before they shut the pubs.
    Don’t do twitter, the virtue signalling on social media is a sickness I cannot tolerate.

  144. calli

    That was my understanding too, nota. It was all Inner Ring stuff.

    People who think the market decides all things are a bit naive.

    Suppers and long spoons and all.

  145. Disagreeing.

    We need to disentangle from the corruption of communism.

    And end our reliance on them for key basics.

    The Americans will use their ingenuity to do it and so should we.

    Now I need to go out and break a few ‘rules’.

  146. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Allocating blame is futile.’

    Which is how Old Yeller got to stay so long in the tard factory.

    Young Trevor goes berko one day at hearing yet another blanket counting anecdote, resulting in smashed windows and classmate Jenny being held down and defecated on.

    ‘It’s nobody’s fault. We’re all in this together.’

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    Pro tip, nota.

    Find a face mask. Steal it if you have to. Put it on.

    Cover your hands and forehead with Nutella. Walk around doing the stuff you need to do whilst singing Creedence songs. ‘Run Through the Jungle’ etc.

    You will go about your business unmolested.

  148. calli

    Cover your hands and forehead with Nutella. Walk around doing the stuff you need to do whilst singing Creedence songs. ‘Run Through the Jungle’ etc.

    Stop giving me ideas, Knuckles.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    RA not releasing their 2019 numbers.

    Now would be the perfect time to do it.

    C19 can be blamed for pretty much everything now.

  150. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I think he still entertains the idea the US military introduced it to China

    And on the moon landings & the assassination of JFK, is he a classic conspiracy theorist, or just a run-of-the-mill “Iranianist”: America as the Great Satan?

  151. Struth

    The buying up in Australia starting with medical supplies in late January, well after the coronavirus was established in China.

    they then moved on to toilet paper and other household goods get your facts right conspiracy theory man

    How does that disprove my conspiracy theory, and as I admitted, it is a conspiracy theory, or just a “musing”.

    The Virus gets out, lock down occurs in China,and the Chinese in Aus fear the same thing may happen here.
    the point is, you don’t buy dunny roll to save you from infection, you buy it because you quite rightly in this case, fear government action.
    What did the Australian Chinese know?
    Did the communists let them know that their paid off servants in our parliaments were going to stop the nation and to be prepared?
    Is that far fetched?
    With what we now have on Chinese property market companies becoming shippers overnight, is it really a long bow to draw?

  152. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Btw, that overnight reference to Baz Luhrmann’s Romeo & Juliet – sets/costumes, good.

    Sympathetically drawn characters, not so good: I was relieved when they were both dead. Methinks it was the harbinger for MAFS.

  153. NoFixedAddress

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

    William Pitt the Younger – Speech in the House of Commons (18 November, 1783).

  154. Rex Mango

    ABC RN Breakfast has been banging on all morning about the real threat re COVID19, namely, domestic violence & mental health. In this revealing interview Julia Gillard is asked what are the social glues that hold Australia together. She lists whole series of things like family etc, but nowhere uses the word religion:

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/mental-health-services-to-receive-$74-million/12101570

  155. Struth

    One person you should never trust is a Chinaman.
    Said for many years for good reason.
    They are racist little fuckers who will screw you in a heartbeat, and their tentacles spread far and wide.

  156. Helen

    Dillo, my accountant’s name is Mr A Drought.

  157. Rex Mango

    Liberty Quote, just then by Frank Ellly, ABC RN:

    “We should all remember that home is not a safe place for all of us.”

  158. Helen

    Well one day when I get offered generic drugs choice at pharmacy again I am going to ask where they are made. India, ok, China no thanks.

  159. Old School Conservative

    Davey Boy
    #3383786, posted on March 30, 2020 at 6:57 am
    Rugby Australia will outline only limited cost-cutting at its AGM on Monday amid news the organisation had not lodged its 2019 financial results

    Surely trading whilst insolvent could not happen in an organisation run by bankers?

    PS it took a moment to see the humour in Castle under siege

  160. Knuckle Dragger

    On the twin subjects of accountability and responsibility, and also of regaining public trust (if it had any to begin with) I will say this:

    Professor Somebody (Murphy, I think) is the Chief Medical Officer in this country. Therefore, unless I have this wrong, he is one of if not the leading doctor in Australia*. The PM’s go-to guy for medical things.

    As such, and to assuage the public fury at the medical profession and its dressing up as any sort of moral authority he should hold his own presser today.

    In said presser, he should publicly name and denounce each and every one of these fuckheads who bitched during their self-imposed plague ship travels, and then flouted the very concepts raised by Murphy et al by pissing off from the international arrivals terminal in Sydney before they could have their Public Health Orders served on them.

    Sure, the AFP and the NSW Health people cocked up (again) by not having the paperwork ready. But it’s no excuse for them. They’re doctors, y’see, and they apparently know stuff.

    Acknowledgment of the fuckups of members of their own profession, and public denunciation and exile is the only way forward for this group of superiority complex dunderheads.

    It’s quite simple. If the medicos in this wide brown land want to retain any credibility at all, this is the only way to do it.

    *There’s something wrong with the sentence construction there, but it’s early. Sue me.

  161. Helen

    Well one day when I get offered generic drugs choice at pharmacy again I am going to ask where they were made. India, ok, China no thanks.

  162. Helen

    iPad malfunction, oh well off to work. Must take the wheelbarrows of cash anted up from the chaps that are fellow owners of my business to the bank !

  163. Zatara

    A virus doesn’t make the Chinese rush out and buy dunny paper when this started.

    Suspecting the monetary value of such was about to skyrocket would.

  164. Old School Conservative

    KD, I think the doctors kept asking questions until they got the answer they wanted – from a junior police officer no less.
    The escapees need the book thrown at them.
    While they are in the stocks.

  165. Mater

    Well one day when I get offered generic drugs choice at pharmacy again I am going to ask where they were made. India, ok, China no thanks.

    Even asking the question openly, will start conversations. Not a bad thing in in and of itself.

    If BDS can play the game with Israel, China could held to higher account, also.

  166. bespoke

    1735099
    #3383834, posted on March 30, 2020 at 8:04 am

    1735099
    Good boy, 1735099. That was a reasonable post with only little bitterness. Still I doubt you could give credit to it being a collection of ideas discussed hear.

  167. bespoke

    Helen
    #3383859, posted on March 30, 2020 at 8:31 am
    Well one day when I get offered generic drugs choice at pharmacy again I am going to ask where they were made. India, ok, China no thanks.

    Ask the same for name brand and Hospitals use generic drugs

  168. Struth

    Professor Somebody (Murphy, I think) is the Chief Medical Officer in this country. Therefore, unless I have this wrong, he is one of if not the leading doctor in Australia*. The PM’s go-to guy for medical things.

    I woulda just stuck a comma in buttween orf and if and then finished with this………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Glad to be of help.

  169. Old School Conservative

    Greg Hunt has hit out at reports of Australians who have “betrayed” isolation restrictions and left their homes for non-essential reasons, warning authorities will “come down on them like a ton of bricks”.
    We are officially on a war footing.
    Australians v politicians.

  170. NoFixedAddress

    Liberty Larry Helping #AOC Explain Everything To Old White Men and conservative shift workers

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1243736903658029056

  171. Acknowledgment of the fuckups of members of their own profession, and public denunciation and exile is the only way forward for this group of superiority complex dunderheads.

    Apparently public denunciations go down well in (choke) Communist dictatorships.
    Knucklehead’s inner totalitarian is emerging.
    It’s ugly……

  172. Spider

    Amazing. Listening to the ABCs American in Oz. Apparently lots of people watching the daily Whitehouse briefing is a bad thing. Then it’s a good thing. Then it’s a bad thing. Depending on whether Trump highlighted the fact that record numbers of people are watching.

  173. Twostix

    Greg Hunt has hit out at reports of Australians who have “betrayed” isolation restrictions and left their homes for non-essential reasons, warning authorities will “come down on them like a ton of bricks”.

    Victoria pulls the string the feds dance.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘one of, if not the’

    Yeah, but there’s still an issue with the plural (or not) of ‘doctor’.

    It’s a conundrum. Well, probably not, but for me in the morning it is.

  175. Tom

    At this rate Numbers wouldn’t blame a communist country if it nuked Brisbane.

    Some laugh out loud moments this morning as the old commo fool tries to deflect blame from the Chinese Communist Party.

    The CCP can’t believe the number of its useful idiots there are in Western countries doing its propaganda work free of charge.

    The Marxists in the education system like Numbers have done their job brilliantly, dumbing down the kids in primary and secondary school so that what is being turned out by universities now are the thickest people ever to be “educated”. The true history of communism has been virtually eliminated from the curriculum to airbrush out the terror of totalitarian government.

    People employed by the Australian state as teachers are the most radical and irresponsible fruitcakes in the history of education, leading children onto the streets to protest about fantasies/scams like climate change and taking up prime position in the language fascism/political correctness movement, which has succeeded in making people afraid to say what they really think (except in the privacy of the ballot box).

    Never forget as your non-taxpayer-funded job disappears: communism caused Kung Flu.

  176. Snoopy

    the point is, you don’t buy dunny roll to save you from infection, you buy it because you quite rightly in this case, fear government action.
    What did the Australian Chinese know?
    Did the communists let them know that their paid off servants in our parliaments were going to stop the nation and to be prepared?
    Is that far fetched?

    I think expat Chinese simply knew that there would be shortages so they cashed in. Ventilators, masks and other PPE were first the to go.

    I think also they might have guessed there would be a reluctance to buy Chinese made as happened after the baby formula scandal.

  177. Struth

    A virus doesn’t make the Chinese rush out and buy dunny paper when this started.

    Suspecting the monetary value of such was about to skyrocket would.

    Only from government action, not from the virus.

    Conspiracy theory:
    Australian Chi nks knew the lock down was coming due to word leaking around their dim sum networks sent by those in the know from their commo masters.
    Bought dunny roll.
    Because the Commos knew it was coming because they ordered Aus pollies to do it.
    Australia, too shit scared of losing trade and political donations, and probably in some cases, fearing their lives enact China’s will to help remove Trump.

    Plausible yes.
    Factual, buggered if I know.
    However people here quote figures as facts from child run websites.
    I am openly putting a musing out there and making sure everybody knows it is only that.

    So can we have a day where we aren’t bombarded with non provable bullshit being called facts?

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘(choke) Communist dictatorships’

    And that’s precisely what we’re seeing at the moment. Elites not abiding by rules set for all. That happens in each and every Communist shithole on this globe.

    This is simple. If you’re going to preach, don’t shit in the faces of the people you’re preaching to.

  179. Farmer Gez

    Trump announcing Abbott Labs has approval to release a five minute C19 test and will produce 50,000 tests each day.

    Brought to you by the ingenuity of US capitalist industry.
    The Americans are on a war footing and it’s a sight to see.

  180. Eyrie

    This might be appropriate re China. Smart man, Mr Kipling.

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk—
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control—
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf—
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  181. Tintalrella di Luna

    The NHS has already failed Britons.

    Intensive care for coronavirus patients is now being limited to those “reasonably certain” to survive, a major NHS London trust has conceded.

    Italy did that weeks ago and that’s why my Italian cousins living in Milan with dangerously high temperatures didn’t go near a hospital they took their chances and stayed away so at least they had a chance — they are now recovering thank heavens. Italians have no faith in authority of any kind.

  182. Eyrie

    “Italians have no faith in authority of any kind.”

    Such a good realistic view of the world, Tinta.

  183. Leigh Lowe

    Greg Hunt has hit out at reports of Australians who have “betrayed” isolation restrictions and left their homes for non-essential reasons, warning authorities will “come down on them like a ton of bricks”.

    But doctors dodging quarantine?
    Um, er … loophole … um … regrettable … nothing we can do.

  184. Twostix

    Can someone remind Greg Hunt that the commonwealth doesn’t have any authorities that can “come down like a tonne of bricks” on anyone?

    Also as discussed this is all simply about policy and compliance at this stage.

    The virus is blown out – they aren’t worried about it anymore. Now they’re using this as a unique opporunity to tune and experiment with mass public health policy and to enforce total compliance as a matter of principle.

  185. calli

    Decent people admit mistakes and apologise. Especially if they’re in a position of influence or knowledge.

    I don’t expect “denouncing” or even “self-denouncing”, although I admit I would find it very satisfying, considering my taxes paid for these doctors and dentists to a) attend their junket and, b) bring them home.

    My forlorn hope is that, once home, they will do the decent thing and hide inside like the rest of us for two weeks. The reality will be – hop on a plane, then a taxi, pop up to the shops for a pantry replenish, maybe visit the hairdresser for a “do”. All the while knowing they have done a particularly rotten, unconscionable thing and pretending they’re somehow different to everyone else.

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s a subheader on his own blog, Tom.

    ‘Aging subversive’.

    A ‘subversive’ (haha) is someone who cannot exist in normal society, generally due to an inferiority complex. That’s why goths and emos and fashionable fat hairy purple-headed lesbians exist. The groups they form become honey pots for the incapable.

    Then once considerable portions of flotsam are grouped together they try and make their own society, but are eternally handicapped by the very inability to do anything purposeful that attracted them to like-minded windowlickers in the first place.

  187. Bruce of Newcastle

    Liberty Quote, just then by Frank Ellly, ABC RN:
    “We should all remember that home is not a safe place for all of us.”

    So the ABC is saying Trump was exactly right when he said a shut down would cause loss of life?

    Trump says there will be ‘suicides by the thousands’ if the US coronavirus shutdown continues (25 Mar)

    “People get tremendous anxiety and depression, and you have suicides over things like this, when you have terrible economies,” he said, adding that deaths caused by the economy “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus.”

    That looks to be what Julia Gillard is implying.

  188. calli

    Shorter Kipling:

    Culture Matters

  189. Because they weren’t buying it for themselves they are minions at the beck and call of the CCP.

    Global what’s its name admitted it and even m
    Put out a media release after that was run by a whistleblower.

    It would really be helpful if you actually read some of the information out there and worked out that there are things called facts.

  190. In a way you could call what the CCP does as the finest example ever of crony capitalism.

  191. EvilElvis

    Are there anyone of your Facebook or Twitter friends game to speak up?

    I’ve posted a few open comments on government announcement posts. I know custard puts stuff up regularly as well. Even in my own tiny ‘friend’ group I wouldn’t crack fifty percent of people who a) get it or b) want to get it.

    The fawning over Scomo, particularly from middle aged and boomer, Christian women recently is sickening.

    Facebook is an absolute cesspit of vagina groupthink. That goes for most of the blokes on it as well.

    Dreaming of an internet shutdown is the only chance of people ever turning on some parts of their brains. Come on, Anne!

  192. Farmer Gez

    Trump’s address is in stark contrast to our doom merchant leaders, take a bow Dan Andrews.

    He gives his citizens hope by outlining the progress being made to combat the virus.

    He doesn’t condemn his fellow Americans in a crisis.

    Our leadership is demoralising the country. Shameful.

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    LL;

    ‘But doctors dodging quarantine?
    Um, er … loophole … um … regrettable … nothing we can do.’

    If these cocks want any sort of credibility as a group, as any sort if united front in the face of ‘crisis’ they will name and shame the special plague ship people.

    Because otherwise, each and every time these punters front the meeja the public will think the high-falutin’ are telling the plebs what to do, and that these ever-stricter ‘guidelines’ don’t apply to them.

  194. lotocoti

    The most expensive free trial, ever.
    As to the quacks who got rabbit in their blood, does Holsworthy still have a glasshouse?

  195. I don’t know that a high temperature would be the I’m in serious trouble super signal.

    Gasping like a fish out of water.

    Definitely.

  196. CFMEU members must be immune to covid19.

    Either that or the virus obeys signs that say danger!

  197. Twostix

    What happens when you get diagnosed with Covid-19

    ISOLATION A southeast Queensland woman has told of her “scary” ordeal as she was faced with paramedics in full protective gear, told to drop everything and quarantined away from loved ones after she was diagnosed with Covid-19. HERE’S WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU

    See here’s the thing.

    The more of these types of stories people read, the less people are going to risk going to hospital with a sore throat.

    Less people are tested, confirmed cases curve “flattens” terrorocracy declares victory and this all ends.

    But nothing’s changed in reality.

    Don’t kick up a big fuss about the insanity of it all though. Just let it end.

  198. Tel

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk—
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    But you could learn how, with a bit of additional effort.

  199. Most of these people will be no sicker than Dutton was.

    People need to grow up.

    Especially the msm.

  200. Eyrie

    “Shorter Kipling:

    Culture Matters”

    No problems dealing with a Taiwanese company at present, brilliant support, dead straight. They aren’t Mainland Chinese who have been corrupted by the low trust nature of communist/socialist societies.

  201. Struth

    Greg Hunt has hit out at reports of Australians who have “betrayed” isolation restrictions and left their homes for non-essential reasons, warning authorities will “come down on them like a ton of bricks”.

    [Edited. I don’t disagree with your sentiment. But lots of people have sense of humour failure during crises. Sinc]

    We wasted days, and still do, in fear of a nothing burger due to socialist lies.

    Does anyone really believe the British NHS numbers.
    Look at England, look at how hard it was for the ordinary folk to get Brexit, look at their Police, look at the Lord Mayor of London.
    There institutions, as here, have all long ago been captured.
    The ordinary Brits love Trump, but the elite hate him, and in all the government bodies, including the NHS I wouldn’t trust them with this.
    I wouldn’t trust the Italians even more as they have the same problem and are captured by belt and road.

    The idiocy displayed by the likes of Notafan, is that it’s all conspiracy theory.
    She readily admits Australia has had it’s institutions run through by the left, but can’t bring herself to believe it could happen anywhere else.
    I must be a conspiracy theorist.

    No , I want facts.
    FACTS, not figures from socialists and TDS suffering bureaucrats world wide.
    We will find that this was a war of propaganda by the socialists to take control because they had it in the bag until Trump came along.
    And we will virtue signal ourselves into slavery.

    Once the FACTS can be established, I believe we will fid this

  202. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Tom at 8:48 am
    +1000

  203. Eyrie

    “But you could learn how, with a bit of additional effort.”

    You might not like what you find.

  204. Tintalrella di Luna

    “Italians have no faith in authority of any kind.”

    Such a good realistic view of the world, Tinta.

    I was taken to the site of the most catastrophic event which claimed the lives of thousands born and unborn because this event also killed many many pregnant mothers.

    I was told the story of La Diga del Vajont and stood beside the little flags above the spot of this terrible tragedy many of which remembered the babies never born, — in the valley of the River Vajont under Monte Toc ( toc in the Veneto dialect means piece — the mountain of pieces, the people called it that because so many times large pieces of the mountain would fall into the valley)

    La Diga del Vajont (the Vajont Dam) another disaster and gross loss of innocent lives of people unimportant and ignored by the authorities another disaster laid at the feet of the authorities — little wonder the Italians have not time for authority

  205. Struth

    Because they weren’t buying it for themselves they are minions at the beck and call of the CCP.

    Global what’s its name admitted it and even m
    Put out a media release after that was run by a whistleblower.

    It would really be helpful if you actually read some of the information out there and worked out that there are things called facts.

    Try again, in English please.

  206. Top Ender

    Let’s look at a new method
    ANDREW BOLT

    THINGS have changed with this coronavirus panic. Now Australians can be – must be – back at work within two weeks.

    If we keep our blunderbuss approach of closing thousands of businesses and telling all Australians to stay home, the suffering will be enormous.

    A million people will lose their jobs. Many will lose their savings. Despair, suicides and social disorder will rise. Already the Morrison Government reports more domestic violence.

    So let me outline good news – five reasons why we can now stop forcing millions of fit, young and frustrated Australians to stay at home.

    OUR HOSPITALS ARE READY

    Yes, we needed this crackdown to buy time for hospitals to prepare for a virus we didn’t understand and were told could swamp our intensive care beds.

    But now the Deputy Chief Medical Officer says we’ll have enough beds, particularly as we triple their number. Extra ventilators are being rushed in.

    THE VIRUS IS SLOWING

    This virus was spreading frighteningly fast – 25 to 35 per cent more cases every day.

    Now it’s slowed to around 13 and 15 per cent for four straight days, despite more aggressive testing to find more sick people.

    That rate is still too high, but does suggest the virus is not about to overwhelm us, and many Australians are now taking precautions – keeping their distance and washing hands.

    THE VIRUS ISN’T AS DEADLY AS THOUGHT

    The World Health Organisation claims the coronavirus kills 3.4 per cent of infected people. Our government said 1 per cent, sparking claims by academics and reporters that between 96,000 and 150,000 Australians could die.

    In fact, our death toll is still (as of midday yesterday) just 16, all old and many already very sick with illnesses such as cancer. That’s a mortality rate so far of under 0.4 per cent among just those we know are infected.

    Dr Anthony Fauci, Donald Trump’s top coronavirus adviser, has just co-authored a study suggesting the virus could be even less deadly.

    If we assume that tests exclude the many people who don’t even know they’re sick, Fauci says, the coronavirus “may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1 per cent.”

    Yes, this is still a dangerous virus. Look at Italy. But just 16 dead here?

    This virus now looks much less deadly than feared, and is highly selective, killing mostly the old – often people already close to death.

    WE HAVE CLOSED THE DOOR

    We have finally, belatedly, closed the door on our main source of infection – people flying or sailing in from overseas.

    As of now, all travellers must go straight to a hotel guarded by the army to serve an enforced two-week quarantine.

    Police and the army are also stepping up checks of people meant to be in home quarantine. Again, too late, and still not enough. But it’s the start of a new approach.

    THERE IS ANOTHER WAY THAT WORKS

    The choice is not between doing it our way or doing nothing. It is between pragmatic and panic – doing more of what helps and less of what hurts.

    Taiwan has a similar population to Australia’s, but fewer than 300 cases and just two deaths. What’s more, it’s fought the virus without closing down shops, restaurants or markets.

    It’s instead been much tougher on border controls – Australian Mat Carney said he had his temperature checked four times when flying out of Taiwan last week but not once when arriving in Brisbane.

    Taiwan also tracks quarantine so closely that people leaving home don’t get halfway down the street before getting a phone call telling them to go back.

    Meanwhile, shops and offices test the temperature of customers and hands out sanitiser before letting them enter.

    All this suggests our governments can now change course.

    They must stop trying to quarantine millions of healthy and younger Australians who are desperate to get back to work and are highly unlikely to die from this virus.

    They should quarantine just the potentially infectious and isolate the vulnerable – the frail and people over 65.

    This means getting tougher in testing people and enforcing quarantine. It means creating an army of helpers to protect the elderly – to keep them fed, tended and entertained at home – while preparations for mass production of a vaccine the second that a trial in Melbourne next month starts to look promising.

    This can be done in two weeks. Then let the rest of us get back to work.

    News Limited print editions

  207. I think I made myself clear enough.

    the ccp is the Chinese communist party.

    You can look up the meaning of the word minions online.

    But I’ll repeat myself; there was no panic buying it was buying directed by and on behalf of the Chinese communist party.

    There are number of articles published in various newspapers the accessible online that will linked here.

  208. People employed by the Australian state as teachers are the most radical and irresponsible fruitcakes in the history of education.

    Whoops – forgot about the teachers.
    Obviously they’re also to blame.
    Add that to the Chinese, the elected government, and the medical profession.
    Who’s next?

  209. Spider

    Stupidest decision after allowing people to walk off cruise ships was the decision to go ahead with the council elections in Queensland. The dumbest idea when people have been told this is serious to have hundreds of people one after another walk into a polling booth box support themselves, pick up a pencil and mark their paper and have another person step into the same booth and repeat the same action. Ridiculous.

  210. Struth

    Whoops – forgot about the teachers.
    Obviously they’re also to blame.

    Very much so.

  211. Robber Baron

    Day 14 of the communist dictatorship.

    I’m staying indoors as ordered by Glorious Leader SloMo.

    My wife was told be her employer to stay at home as ordered Glorious Leader SloMo.

    Now we are both staying home. We are saving lives. We are good citizens of Australiastan.

  212. Digger

    Rex Mango
    #3383633, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:16 am
    Romea & Juliet by Baz Luhrmann is a great film, probably his best. Strictly Ballroom good too, but he did well with Romeo & Juliet.

    It may interest some to know that Baz Luhrmann’s father, Len was a Clearance Diver…. He qualified at HMAS Rushcutter on the third CD course ever conducted in Australia, in 1956….

  213. cohenite

    Allocating blame is futile.

    Vomits the troll. Punishment, reparation and prevention flow from recognising what happened and who did what. But in the left mindset ideology trumps reason and rationality. Of course the troll is a commie and will subvert any proper blame attached to the chunks.

    What a filthy pest the troll is.

  214. JC

    Eyrie

    I have no idea. I would have thought they would be digital now, but if you wanted to physically own them they would have some identifier.

  215. Knuckles: I am relieved to see that a wordsmith such as your goodself has a problem with sentence construction. You rightly made fun with one of mine. The error was hard to analyse because I omitted a word, but you made an amusing effort.

    Being an AFL follower (albeit a supporter of the Pies, whose defeat by the brilliant and brave Giants I will not mention), I have a thought about how the stars of the comp might be gainfully employed. Put them out to stud. (Apologies to Marty Feldman.)

  216. The Beer Whisperer

    “If it saves just one life your death will be worth it”.

    That’s a keeper.

  217. EvilElvis

    I think what annoys me the most is how pathetic a bunch of people we are as a country. The immuno deficient, the gluten intolerant, the dietary this and fucking that, the bloody constant declaration of your issues and the constantly annoying faux demands to do the right thing for people like you! One, Fucking well protect yourself, you should know your bloody problems and how to deal with them if they’re serious enough to spruik about ad nauseum. Two, don’t expect every other pleb in Australia to take one for you, we are fucking well doing that in spades! Three, when your next on death’s door commenting on Facebook praising the government and getting outraged over behaviours you’ve only heard of and not seen, maybe think that this government hasn’t protected you at all and will probably expose you at some point healthwise and financially.

    Pull the ever waiting hand back in, button the fucking lip and look after yourself. Do that and normal Aussies will be willing to help you directly because you’re having a crack. The fawning on social media won’t save you.

    *Aimed at people with Google diagnosed issues and genuine issues who can’t get their shit together of which there are many. Not the ones who take precautions and have no expectation that the whole population needs to bend to your needs.

  218. egg_

    Three things have to be done:
    1. Admit the mistakes made- too slow to close borders, not protecting equipment supplies.
    2. Begin randomised community testing to find out how close we are to herd immunity.
    3. Put the nation back to work, first to manufacture what we need for the crisis, then to rejig restaurants and businesses for the post virus economy, while isolating vulnerable groups.

    Far too pragmatic for the policy level stuffed shirts we’re dealing with.
    It probably is an example of (detailed) programmatic specificity.

  219. Top Ender

    Only arrested on the fourth time….either go hard or go home!

    Man in court for breaching quarantine 3 times

    A man who breached self-quarantine requirements on three separate occasions after returning from Jordan will face court today, police say.

    The 30-year-old man arrived at Sydney International Airport on 18 March and was advised he needed to self-isolate for two weeks.

    Police arrested the man at Edensor Park on 20 March but he was released on bail and on the condition that he self isolate.

    The man was then stopped by police on 28 March at 10pm on Pitt St in Sydney’s CBD and then again at 1.20am in Pagewood in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

    He was issued with a $1000 fine.

    He was arrested and later charged for breach of bail and non-compliance with a ministerial direction.

    Yesterday the man was moved to a serviced apartment in Camperdown where he again attempted to leave, police say.

    Police arrested him and charged him with not comply with Public Health Order under the Public Health Act 2010 (NSW).

    He was refused bail and will appear in Central Local Court today.

    Oz

  220. I honestly cannot work out what the Government and the Public Servants are try to do.
    It’s as if someone found the old Darryl Sommers Plukaduk wheel, then the two teams have invaded the local bottlo, drunk the contents, and have now found El Cids meth stash. They are relabeling the Plukaduk Wheel and some poor bastard has his turn at sticking his chubby in the path of the clackety clack mechanism.
    Honestly.
    This is more bizarre than turkey flavoured traffic lights.

  221. Peter the old fossil

    I honestly cannot work out what the Government and the Public Servants are try to do.

    Not “trying”, Winston. Done.
    Representative democracy died in this country about six weeks ago. It has been replaced by a military and police backed, autocratic regime.The constitution has been binned along with the parliament, replaced by weekly edicts issued by the (current) Fearless Leader.

    The country has been deliberately bankrupted and three million people are unemployed, soon to become five million. Troops and police are stationed at all strategic locations. State borders have been closed. All congregation of people is now strictly controlled, and even when congregating “social distancing” must be maintained or you will be arrested.

    All that is left now is the enactment of the Cash Restrictions bill, followed soon after by Fearless Leader “discovering” we can turn this economic wreck into the land of milk and honey “merely” by tapping into the three trillion plus dollars currently doing nothing in superannuation funds.

    So, in the meantime just remember to keep wearing your mask to protect you from the very undeadly moronavirus panicdemic, and you’ll be okay.

    Maybe.

  222. John64

    One really must give credit where it is due.

    Dear Leader Despot Dan has finally managed to sort out Yarragrad’s traffic congestion problems.

  223. Leigh Lowe

    It may interest some to know that Baz Luhrmann’s father, Len was a Clearance Diver….

    Luhrmann?
    Which side was he on?

  224. John Comnenus

    I saw boobs in the workplace for the first time ever. Put in a harassment complaint to HR and then told Mrs Comnenus to get dressed when working from home.

  225. Infidel Tiger

    Where are the deaths?

    Or are they limited to suicides?

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Someone at ABC News is in trouble during the White Ribbon crisis.
    They played a few internet snippets posted on-line of people’s response to the The Great Lockening.
    First one shows a guy facing camera.

    Woman doing voice over :
    “You have to be quarantined.
    You face a choice.
    You can …
    (a) be quarantined with your wife and young child; or
    (b) …
    Man:-
    “b.
    I’ll take b.
    Option b please.”

  227. mh

    Where are the deaths?

    A woman “in her eighties” died in Tasmania.

    Media won’t even give her age. Which means most likely 89.

  228. lotocoti

    He was refused bail and will appear in Central Local Court today.

    Return to port of departure at own cost.

  229. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Yeah, I’m late. Patrick Cross for me.

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