Open Forum: March 28, 2020

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  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Macbeth, we can meet at the winter solstice in a dreamland on the silver Sargasso sea.
    There are no limits to thought and to imagination. Isolation is not so bad after all.

    And then there is this:

    the transformation of Trump the boxer into Trump the paterfamilias.

    Well put, Johanna. Credit where it is due.

  2. notafan

    The Chinese government have killed millions since coming to power.

    Why would they change?

  3. OldOzzie

    OPINION
    Bail out workers and make China pay for it

    The Chinese government is more responsible for the deaths and economic struggles caused by COVID-19 than the virus itself. As such, the United States should bail out American workers, as President Trump has promised, and deduct the cost of the bailout from our debt owed to China.

  4. Geriatric Mayfly

    In Xanaflu did Kubla Khan
    A stately pleasure-dome decree:
    Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
    Through caverns measureless to man
    Down to a sunless sea.

  5. OldOzzie

    OPINION
    Bail out workers and make China pay for it

    Negligence law is not hard to understand. It holds that anyone knowingly or negligently causing harm is liable. China caused this harm, and it was reasonably foreseeable that many people would get sick and die as a result of China’s disinformation campaign. As such, the U.S. and governments around the world should bail out their workers and their economies and send China the bill.

    Jonathan Soo Hoo is a Chinese American lawyer, political consultant, and economist.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Xanaflu!

    Very good, Mayfly.

    Cats in fine form this morning.

  7. Struth

    The problem struth, is that the vast majority of Australians just love to be told what to do.

    We always have.

    I get that, but Australians are being told what not to do, if you get my drift……..very different.
    Also, tall poppy comes into play and who would give up the chance to string one of these bastards up.

    Telling unemployed dunderhead Australians that the prick that did it to them hasn’t lost a cent and did it illegally, I think that would stir a few up.

  8. calli

    And then she saw that there was a light ahead of her; not a few inches away where the back of the wardrobe ought to have been, but a long way off. Something cold and soft was falling on her. A moment later she found that she was standing in the middle of a wood at night-time with snow under her feet and snowflakes falling through the air.

    You guys will have me tapping the backs of the cupboards soon.

  9. notafan

    Lol

    Someone claimed 40 expert tradesmen cabled up building seven for weeks ‘after hours’ and no-one between hours noticed..

    #conspiracytheoriesareus

  10. DrBeauGan

    By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
    And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
    As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing

    N can play at that.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There was Coleridge, happily blissed out in his opiated isolation, when we lost the rest of his inspired brilliance to the knock of the Person from Porlock.

    Breaking quarantine. 🙂

  12. OldOzzie

    STUDY: YES, HALF OF CORONAVIRUS CARRIERS SHOW NO SYMPTOMS
    ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STUDIES (AND LESSONS) ON CORONAVIRUS TESTING TO DATE.

    What we’re learning from Iceland this week is as fascinating as it is crucial to fighting the coronavirus epidemic: That somewhere in the neighborhood of half of everyone testing positive for the coronavirus will show absolutely no symptoms.

    The hard data, out of Iceland, straight from their (impressive) health ministry’s dedicated COVID-19 page:
    – As of March 25, Iceland has administered 12,615 tests.
    – Of those tests, Iceland has found 802 confirmed cases.
    – While it might not sound like a lot, in a sparsely-populated nation of around 364,000 citizens, it’s an impressive number. They’ve nearly tested 3.4 percent of the entire country (compared to the United States, and according to the COVID-19 Project data tracker: we’ve tested 432,655 of our 327 million citizens, or just a tenth of one percent of our country’s population). Iceland currently claims to have tested more citizens per capita] than any other country in the world.

    Needless to say, Iceland’s efforts are revealing fascinating and potentially lifesaving details about the virus. And via BuzzFeed News, it’s how they came to the striking conclusion about symptom rates, emphasis ours:

    “Early results from deCode Genetics indicate that a low proportion of the general population has contracted the virus and that about half of those who tested positive are non-symptomatic,” said [Iceland’s chief epidemiologist Thorolfur] Guðnason. “The other half displays very moderate cold-like symptoms.”

    In Iceland, again, they’re just testing, testing, testing, whoever they can, whenever they can.

    They haven’t implemented a lockdown or a curfew, but they have banned gatherings of over 20 people, advised quarantine measures, and again: Test, test, test. Having widespread testing allows them to isolate those with the virus, and thus, the virus itself. Even more, it empowers Iceland to continue some semblance of life as it normally is — more than many, many other places in the world without the kind of testing operation that they have can say for themselves right now. In other words: Iceland’s citizenry might be small, but what they lack for in size, they more than make up for in power — by doing nothing more than being accounted for, handing out an urgent lesson the entire world can stand to learn from right now.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yep. Isolation. Rabbit holes everywhere. 🙂

  14. Boambee John

    Iceland’s citizenry might be small, but what they lack for in size, they more than make up for in power — by doing nothing more than being accounted for, handing out an urgent lesson the entire world can stand to learn from right now.

    A good argument against a “Big Australia”.

  15. Anne

    RedPill.

    Ann Coulter is a man.

  16. calli

    Remember “Countdown”? Here’s one for the self-isolated.

  17. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare at 8:58 am:

    Aha, an Elizabeth sighting! Good.

    And Johanna’s

    “the transformation of Trump the boxer into Trump the paterfamilias”

    was outstanding, yes. That the man prevails and performs so very well despite the unrelenting attack by the media commentariat, all the way down to the weather girlie, is a testimony to his character and strength.

  18. Entropy

    Iceland is not only small, it is isolated, with very few ways in and out.

    Also’ how many of those tested as positive but asympotmatic actually hav this particular virus?

  19. Old School Conservative

    How good does the White Australia Policy look now?

    A bus load of Chinese were about to enter Woolworths Jindabyne recently when security politely asked them to leave.
    They did.
    Compare and contrast Morrison’s decision to allow 30,000 Chinese students into Australia well after he had been informed how the Wuhan Flu spreads.

  20. calli

    And speaking of wonderful things hidden in the backs of wardrobes…the Beloved just found some packs of P2 masks in the garage stash.

    He’s using the enforced down time to do something useful and the garage was next on the list. Now I can give them to mum and dad for use at the shops. Brilliant.

  21. OldOzzie

    Australian Reporter Rita Panahi Takes the WHO, Chinese Regime to Task Over Coronavirus Lies

    “I want to talk about China’s culpability and conduct throughout the coronavirus crisis that began in Wuhan wet market. The Chinese Communist regime not only lied, destroyed evidence and allowed the virus to spread, but it arrested doctors who, back in December, tried to warn the world about what was happening in Wuhan,” she explained. “Some of the whistleblowers arrested and accused of fabricating, disseminating, and spreading rumors have since died. Other domestic critics, from a property tycoon to video bloggers have vanished.”

    “China is not a regime that tolerates dissent,” Panahi explained. “China’s initial cover-up included destroying lab samples that established, in December, the cause of unexplained viral infections in the Hubei province. How many lives would have been saved if China had listened to experts instead of silencing them?”

    “What’s just as shocking is the World Health Organization’s complicity in this global pandemic,” she said. “From the start, the WHO has unequivocally praised China’s response and pushed its absurd narratives while ignoring the regime’s dishonesty and recklessness.”

    Panahi reminded viewers that back in January, the WHO shared a tweet citing Chinese health official’s who claimed there was no evidence the virus transmitted through human-to-human contact.

    “[The WHO] refused to declare a pandemic until March 11th. And, as late as February, it was parroting China in criticizing travel restrictions,” she said. “Don’t forget that when Scott Morrison and Donald Trump implemented travel bans against China in late January, they did so against WHO’s advice.”

  22. 1735099

    Morrison’s decision to allow 30000 Chinese students into Australia

    And how many infections have been traced to returning students?
    OTOH – How many infections have been traced to Australians getting off cruise ships?
    Your Xenophobia is showing.

  23. MatrixTransform

    What the hell is the point of the rest of university?

    I have an office draw full or arduino uno’s and a handful of 328Ps

    tubes : check
    duct tape: check
    things that go ‘ping’ : check

    need a pump …

  24. Cuomo is coming.
    Biden easing out to 1.20 for Dem Nom.
    Different bookies have slightly different odds on the rest.
    Sportsbet have Cuomo @15/1,
    Sanders&[email protected]/1
    Ladbrokes still have Trump beats [email protected]/1
    $$

  25. Anne

    You’ve probably seen some of the bizarre Hollywood meltdown videos.

    Here’s an interesting decode of a recent one by Ellen DeGeneres.

    1. “I decided to do what everybody is doing, which is, walk.

    She’s confessing and rolling over on the higher ups in the cesspit that is Pedowood.

    2. She’s wearing Canary yellow.

    3. She says “…listen to what our smart people are telling us to do, and I mean the SMART people”.

    * SMART.gov is the Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering and Tracking.

    https://twitter.com/theellenshow/status/1242243385072680961

  26. calli

    Who would have thought leftovers from a sanding job would be seen as solid gold? So easily discarded, I’ve seen hundreds of them chucked into skips after a day’s toil.

    What a world.

  27. OldOzzie

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    What makes this test so different is where it can be used: outside the four walls of a traditional hospital such as in the physicians’ office or urgent care clinics.

    The new Abbott ID NOW COVID-19 test runs on Abbott’s ID NOWTM platform—a lightweight box (6.6 pounds and the size of a small toaster) that can sit in a variety of locations.

    Because of its small size, it can be used in more non-traditional places where people can have their results in a matter of minutes, bringing an alternate testing technology to combat the novel coronavirus.

    We’re ramping up production to deliver 50,000 ID NOW COVID-19 tests per day, beginning next week, to the U.S. healthcare system.

  28. Twostix

    Morrison’s decision to allow 30000 Chinese students into Australia

    And how many infections have been traced to returning students?

    OTOH – How many infections have been traced to Australians getting off cruise ships?
    Your Xenophobia is showing.

    Do you wonder how it is that in your whole life you always, 100% of the time, seem to end up on the side of Austraia’s enemies?

  29. bespoke

    Hat tip:

    Allow 3-4 cm for shrinkage above recommended in your PVC guttering if you want to avoid slipping of the roof in the rain. 😒

  30. Anne

    The Navy Hospital ships are for the DeepState criminals.

    Gitmo bound.

  31. rickw

    Imagine Australia with a million fewer Chicoms.

    We would lack the diversity of a disease ridden 5th column?

  32. Cassie of Sydney

    “Twostix
    #3382143, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:30 am

    Do you wonder how it is that in your whole life you always, 100% of the time, seem to end up on the side of Austraia’s enemies?”

    He is incapable of that kind of self reflection.

  33. Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    ·
    Jan 18
    In remarks not reported until now, Trump raged during a 2017 meeting at the Pentagon. Trump stunned nearly everyone; some vowed to never repeat his words.

    “I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” Trump barked. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”

  34. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now there’s a virus that’s doomed if the host becomes extinct. The one causing facial and fatal carcinomas in Tasmanian Devils. Wonder if the virus would sense advantage, if people started eating Tassie Devils, especially those half cooked.

  35. calli

    Bespoke! Did you bounce? Do you need dome of my special field dressings?

  36. Farmer Gez

    Who here is hoping they get a mild dose of Wuflu just to get this over and done with?
    I wouldn’t mind really.

  37. [whatever] phobic.

    Can we agree to designate people that use such words as neuronphobic?

  38. Anne

    86 UN staffers have tested positive for Coronavirus.

    NYpost.com

  39. notafan

    How can the world learn from Iceland?

    Population resources etc.

    Not apples with apples

  40. Anne

    Redpill.

    All Elites testing positive have drunk the tagged Adrenochrome.

  41. notafan

    Anne

    Definitely a pill.

  42. Anne

    @DilaraEsengil

    ALL ABOARD!

    @realDonaldTrump just said:

    “HIGHLY LETHAL SHIPS” 😂💥⚖️

    70 THOUSAND TONS to TAKE THEM HOME TO THEIR LOWLY DIMENSION – ⚓️

    “UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF AMERICA”

    PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE THE VIRUS go HERE = CABAL

    BUH BYE CABAL DEMONS! YOUR LAST BOAT RIDE TO YOUR DEMISE!

  43. notafan

    Gez

    My thoughts exactly

  44. Caveman

    Bunnings still sell pitch forks, just sayin.

  45. Has Tiger been in with his field reports from the torpedo boat mission last night??

  46. notafan

    Is Marshall Law related to Benjamin Law?

  47. rickw

    Maybe a more accurate reflection of CCP Virus deaths than CCP propaganda?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k7qxMBqRNZs

  48. bespoke

    calli
    #3382152, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:36 am
    Bespoke! Did you bounce? Do you need dome of my special field dressings?

    No thanks my fairy princess it taking care of things.

  49. Anne

    RedPill.

    The Adrenochrome molecule is shaped like a White Rabbit.

    Follow the White Rabbit.

    [They] love to hide the truth in plain sight.

  50. egg_

    Insiders
    James Campbell, Herald Sun:
    – Clowns in Canberra (Robodebt)
    – Depressions was 10% less activity for years after 1930, not a total stop on the Economy
    – The is a complete Global stop never been done before
    – Does the Govt have enough money to restart the Economy

    MickGC?

  51. dover_beach

    The Swedes maybe an interesting comparison. They haven’t really engaged in any social distancing measures. Their first identification of Wuhan flu was a week after us, and we share about the same number of positive cases, although that translates to 2.5x spread per M of population, but have 7x deaths and 10x serious/ critical patients that we do.

  52. egg_

    Insiders:
    Mattieus Corman:
    – Sharing the pain (spreading the curve)
    – The Govts taking advice from CMOs*

    *That’s yer problem, right there.

  53. egg_

    Campbell was absolutely scathing of the Federal Govt, deservedly IMHO

  54. egg_

    Speeers – BoJo has been choppy on this as well

  55. calli

    It might be wise to review assertions that only the elderly are affected by the FungFlu.

    Illinois infant death.

    No information about some underlying problem, like athsma.

  56. Sweden temperature < 10C
    Sydney 25
    Dannograd 25

  57. egg_

    Even the DPRK Tweets reckon BoJo looks like a hobo and only washes once a week – hence, he’s sleeping with a Green?

  58. egg_

    The MSM will likely turn on hapless Scotty-from-Marketing, especially IF things go pear shaped

  59. Anne

    At a rally in January, Biden said he wanted to ban Bibles.

    Friday, the New York Times Op-Ed blames Christians for the Coronavirus.

  60. egg_

    How’s the “Boris” concern troll?
    Should we all just agree with him, and see what solutions he has, as he salivates at the current crisis?

  61. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Marshall law involves car batteries, Struth

    .

    No it doesn’t, Calli, it involves Angela Lansbury…

    https://youtu.be/LCjBOZ4r9Ck

  62. egg_

    Campbell: deaths of healthcare workers in the Third World not being reported, more likely to come out (India, Indonesia)

  63. cohenite

    Anyone with half a brain knew the alarmists would use the chunk virus to support their human hating ideology but the RoP are also using it too:

    Ir. Sponsors Another Cartoon Contest, This One About the Supposed Coronavirus Conspiracy

    And other examples at Jihad Watch.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/

  64. John Comnenus

    Yep SCOMO is forked. No one in the bubble will be telling him people read beyond the MSM. They will soon realise other models were available and the COVID scare was always overblown.

    SCOMO will be unelectable by ANZAC Day.

  65. OldOzzie

    Spectator US – Herd immunity might still be crucial in the fight against coronavirus

    I am a critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine in Canada, and have spent weeks obsessively consuming COVID-19 medical literature. Ultimately, I see only one way to navigate society through this pandemic with neither apocalyptic death rates nor economic devastation. To my surprise, the conclusion I have reached seems very similar to the ‘back to work’ plan the Trump administration floated on Tuesday.

    Some have suggested that using that delay to increase life support capacity (i.e. sourcing mechanical ventilators) in hospital intensive care units could help. Sadly, preliminary (and limited) data suggests that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who go on life support will die. So ‘more ventilators’ does not seem like the game-changer we seek. As a life support specialist, myself, I am greatly chagrined to admit this.

    I am glad that extreme social distancing has been enforced. I do not think that either the young or the old would have taken the pandemic seriously until they saw schools and offices close. But once these measures have proven their effect, and the virus is demonstrably suppressed, public health authorities could consider ratcheting restrictions down in a way that respects demographic vulnerability. Perhaps two weeks from now, healthy people under 40 could return to work provided that they have no vulnerable people in their household. Perhaps a week after that, healthy people aged 40 to 50 could join them, and nurseries could reopen.

  66. bespoke

    calli

    Didn’t fall myself just slip and slide “Oh dear!!!!!” moment and a giggle from my TA holding the ladder. Luckily this time he didn’t have a camera. The pic of my legs dangling from the celling and the one of a blood shot eye after changing ball joints gets much mirth from her friends. 🤣

  67. EvilElvis

    need a pump …

    *Phrasing

  68. The CCP exports or executes anyone with the virus.
    Soon the PRC will be woofloo free.

  69. stackja

    Week in Pictures This reminds of

    Adam-12 Season 3 (1970–71)

    17 “Log 66: The Vandals”

    Later, the officers are called to a home where a window was broken during a toilet-papering incident by a teenaged girl’s friends

  70. Good morning all.
    I see via Breitbart that the United Kingdom has set up a hotline for worried punters to rat on their neighbours if they don’t isolate. Didn’t they go to war with a regime that did exactly that?

  71. bespoke

    uckily this time She didn’t have a camera.

  72. BorisG

    about half of those who tested positive are non-symptomatic,

    Confirming what we know from the virus incubator ship and what modeling studies assume already.

  73. mh

    UK now over 1000 COVID-19 deaths. Italy over 10,000.

    Morrison, please close our borders like you said you were going to 2 months ago, but didn’t.

    Then let us get on with keeping our economy alive.

  74. MatrixTransform

    Virus, Zombies, Body Snatchers … Pommy Dobbers using a software platform i’m calling Stasi-Soft

  75. Then let us get on with keeping our economy alive.

    That parrot is dead.

  76. OldOzzie

    The Australian from WSJ

    How COVID-19 coronavirus attacks your body

    An excellent article – tried to post but have given up

  77. mh

    Anne
    #3382187, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:58 am
    At a rally in January, Biden said he wanted to ban Bibles.

    Link please, Anne.

  78. mh

    That parrot is dead.

    It’s in an enforced coma.

    Unnecessarily.

  79. Johno

    A bus load of Chinese were about to enter Woolworths Jindabyne recently when security politely asked them to leave.

    Jinbabyne is the staging point for the stupid 37 kilometre tunnel needed for Turnbulls’ Hydro Battery. I know a few of the gentlemen who are working on it and was talking to them through the week. They are mostly country lads and have seen the locusts descend on their home towns, and so knew what to expect. They conveyed their concerns to the local constabulery who took the appropriate action. The lads will be disappointed they did not have the opportunity to join in.

  80. MatrixTransform

    That parrot is dead.

    **chuckles

  81. notafan

    Please post reputable link of Biden Ban Bible.

    Or it it in a sealed indictment?

  82. egg_

    Campbell: 1 Million unemployed as of Sunday night

  83. Anne

    Thomas Jeffrey Hanks is in the California Arrests Record.

    Californiaarrests.org $

    Or search “Hanks arrested” on Twitter.

  84. It’s in an enforced coma.

    Looks dead to me.

  85. egg_

    Then let us get on with keeping our economy alive.

    Do the numpties in Canberra know how to do a black start when the light go out?
    /Yours truly trained their Emergency Services

  86. egg_

    UK now over 1000 COVID-19 deaths. Italy over 10,000.

    How many regular flu deaths?
    Does this thing just bowl over folk with one foot in the grave – looks like it – herd thinner

  87. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Old School Conservative
    #3382129, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Compare and contrast Morrison’s decision to allow 30,000 Chinese students into Australia well after he had been informed how the Wuhan Flu spreads

    1735099
    #3382135, posted on March 29, 2020 at 9:25 am
    Morrison’s decision to allow 30000 Chinese students into Australia

    And how many infections have been traced to returning students?
    OTOH – How many infections have been traced to Australians getting off cruise ships?
    Your Xenophobia is showing

    No, your verballing is showing.

  88. BorisG

    BorisG
    #3381997, posted on March 29, 2020 at 3:14 am
    I would’ve handled it far better

    What stopped you from standing up for election?

    By the way Israel literally turned around a plane from China, causing a diplomatic standoff and canceling a shipment of ventilators.

    It did not stop the virus getting in. Their numbers are remarkably similar to ours but they are in a much more stringent lockdown. This may help.

    That just means that they didn’t do enough.

    Surely you’re not suggesting the virus would’ve gotten into Israel without a human carrier? So the virus is inevitable, but we must lock down everything anyway? What are you, a? bureaucrat

    I am just telling facts. Israel also apparently stood down 70% of its government workers, so their lockdown is hardly bureaucrat‘s paradise.

    Israel acted earlier than everyone else but the virus was probably already there from South Korean tourists who were already in the country (7 of them later tested positive). So all these measures did was delay the outbreak. Delays are always useful if you recognize the threat and mobilize all your resources to fight it.

    Also Israel has some extremely crowded places and crowd gathering habits. They should have imposed the lockdown much earlier. Now they are on the same trajectory and the same pout on the trajectory Australia.

  89. mh

    Matrix, UK death lotto returns Monday.

    You’re the carry-over champion.

    This weeks comp will be fascinating. UK had 260 new deaths last night. Remember at the start of the comp we were picking about 25 new deaths? Be a while before we see those numbers again.

  90. OldOzzie

    China Is Pushing a ‘Zero’ Myth on COVID-19

    By JIANLI YANG
    & AARON RHODES

    The regime’s censorship and distortions are a threat to global public health as well as a violation of human rights.

  91. egg_

    That parrot is dead.

    It’s in an enforced coma.

    Nailed it – ScoMo allowed the CMOs to put Oz in an induced coma – for their our good!
    Meanwhile, Medicos reign free.

  92. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 9:49 am:

    “Insiders
    James Campbell, Herald Sun:
    – Clowns in Canberra (Robodebt)
    – Depressions was 10% less activity for years after 1930, not a total stop on the Economy
    – The is a complete Global stop never been done before
    – Does the Govt have enough money to restart the Economy

    MickGC?”

    That’s cryptic Egg, and a mystery to me.

  93. Geriatric Mayfly

    Black Ball
    #3382201, posted on March 29, 2020 at 10:05 am
    Good morning all.
    I see via Breitbart that the United Kingdom has set up a hotline for worried punters to rat on their neighbours if they don’t isolate. Didn’t they go to war with a regime that did exactly that?

    Probably happening here already, knowing how bizzy, bizzy some people can be.

    Season of lists and fellow snoopfulness
    Close bosom friend of the inquiring Bill
    Conspiring with him how to load and bless
    With grass, the lies that ’round the cop shop mill.

  94. Anne

    SM post from David Spade about Tom Hanks.

    “This is all riding on Tom Hanks. If anything happens to Tom Hanks, f*** that sh*ts over dude. I’m gonna be on my roof…[does the shotgun motion]”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/superstavros/status/1241591297611370498
    11 seconds

  95. egg_

    This week’s News cycle will likely see ScoMo borrowing Hildebeeste’s Depends.

  96. Roger

    The regime’s censorship and distortions are a threat to global public health as well as a violation of human rights.

    What’s new?

  97. OldOzzie

    Sen. Cotton and Rep. Gallagher: China stole US capacity to make drugs — we must take it back

    We weren’t always dependent on China for medicine, but we are now. For two decades, the CCP has targeted America’s domestic drug manufacturers for destruction, using cartelization, state subsidies and lax safety standards to flood our hospitals and pharmacies with cheap and dangerous Chinese medicine.

    This strategy succeeded in shuttering American factories, robbing our workers of good-paying jobs and our patients of high-quality medicine. Just years after the United States granted China special trade privileges in 2000, the last penicillin plant in America closed down. American factories that made aspirin, vitamin C and other essential medicine closed after that, put out of business by China’s predatory pricing.

    Even the CCP itself has acknowledged the poor quality of its drugs. Beijing suspended a program to bribe African countries with anti-malarial drugs in 2012 after entire shipments were found to be fake, posing a danger to the sick patients who took them.

    As the China virus pandemic clearly shows, the CCP has no business posing as the world’s doctor and drugmaker. That’s why we’ve introduced a bill, the Protecting Our Pharmaceutical Supply Chain From China Act, to end our dependence on Chinese drugs and take back our ability to make medicine here at home.

  98. The regime’s censorship and distortions are a threat to global public health as well as a violation of human rights.

    Australia, right?

  99. MatrixTransform

    if the death lotto curve is turning then it will be a hard call.

    I will do my grim comedic best.

  100. Anne

    “Hollywood is an institutionalised pedofhile ring. It is a den of parasites who feast on the blood of children. Every studio in Hollywood is bought and paid for with the blood of innocent children.”

    – Mel Gibson

  101. egg_

    That’s cryptic Egg, and a mystery to me.

    Is ScoMo the Very Model of a Modern Major-General – or a flakey pissant?
    Simples.

  102. EvilElvis

    Looks dead to me.

    No need for that ventilator then?

    *flicks switch.

    ——————————-

  103. Armadillo

    Here is a good story from my local area about how entwined the CCP have become within our businesses and local Government.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/another-bizarre-twist-in-now-aborted-virgin-read-chinese-plans-to-control-mega-flight-school/

  104. egg_

    Israel acted earlier than everyone else but the virus was probably already there from South Korean tourists who were already in the country (7 of them later tested positive).

    But, but… South Korea is the very model of COVID-19 control, surely?

  105. shatterzzz

    Dear Dorothy Dix .. I’m in a quandary .. really quandered , so to speak .. 72 years old fit, well and totally unfazed by either catching, die-ing or whatever else from BAT FLU.
    Why am I not terrified , shaking, locked down (with straps) whilst all around me cries of despair, woe-is-me, and Help rend the internet ..
    Day after day I read/view more and more horror stories and lurid tales of what has been/will be and still I can’t bring myself to panic/care/worry .. I see our gummints, state and federal, who have caused more of the problems occurring than BAT FLU has and they wonder why we are in such dire straights ..!
    Bradbury didn’t curtail air traffic until 10s of 1 000s of Chicom students were safely back in Oz yet waffles about keeping your distance being imperative .. he instituted rules which have cost 1 000 000s their regular incomes yet is happy to have ALL public servants working and on full pay except for members of Parliament sent home for 5 months holidays on full pay. And here in NSW we have Gladys laying down her own rules on what we can and can’t do even tho she allowed dozens of BAT FLU infected passengers to disembark from the Ruby Princess and go home without any concerns for the consequences.
    And come Wednesday the gummint prediction of 250 000 infected and 25 000 deaths will be completely ignored by a compliant media as Bradbury ponders his next .. Why I’m in Charge list.
    Yet still I can’t manage to worry about myself .. in fact to me it’s the accepted result of gummint more concerned with not upsetting global trading partners than concern about OUR country and citizens .. in reality ……. SNAFU …..

  106. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 10:30 am:

    ” That’s cryptic Egg, and a mystery to me.

    Is ScoMo the Very Model of a Modern Major-General – or a flakey pissant?
    Simples.”

    I still have no idea what it is that you believe may interest me?

  107. Armadillo

    Mind you our local mayor is a two time bankrupt, who is now running the City. No one seems to be aware of that.

  108. mh

    Anne
    #3382242, posted on March 29, 2020 at 10:30 am
    “Hollywood is an institutionalised pedofhile ring. It is a den of parasites who feast on the blood of children. Every studio in Hollywood is bought and paid for with the blood of innocent children.”

    – Mel Gibson

    I can believe that one. Sounds like something Mel would say.

  109. egg_

    Cormann also trotted out what everyone has been saying – Govt closure of business will have a health impact itself -> Medicos?
    I.e. too much may* be catastrophic in itself.

    *May???

  110. dover_beach

    Sweden temperature < 10C
    Sydney 25
    Dannograd 25

    It seems to be having no trouble spreading in New Orleans.

  111. egg_

    If ScoMo starts speaking of splashing more (of your) cash – you’ll know his sphincter is puckering.

  112. bespoke

    Anne is a parody, or am I wishful thinking no one could be like that. After the last few years I just can’t tell anymore. Funny and entertaining in the beginning but the noise is ghastly when you take the time to think about it.

  113. notafan

    The only source of that Gibson ‘quote’ are el wacko sites.

  114. Tucker has called it for Cuomo, Biden no chance of making it.
    It’s happening.

  115. bespoke

    The only source of that Gibson ‘quote’ are el wacko sites.

    The Cat?

  116. egg_

    Be a while before we see those numbers again.

    The gathering of the data is probably a bit “noisy”, hence averages.
    How hasty is the testing?
    They’re supposed to test a number of body regions (3?)* and get all positives to rule it in as a positive infection IIRC?

    *Concern trolls?

  117. Bear Necessities

    FMD.

    The Greens got 15% of the Lord Mayoral vote yesterday and are coming first (The Gabba) and second in a few Brisbane wards. I didn’t know that many Brisbanites had gone full retard and as the years go by more young retards will join them.

    Schrinner the Grinner is probably back for the LNP. He does nothing which is probably best you can hope for these days.

  118. This woman wants a healthy man to quarantine with for 3 months

    Damn your crazy travel ban, ScoMo!!

  119. Viva

    Australia’s and the world’s greenhouse gas emissions will slide in the first half of 2020 but any cut will likely be short-lived and modest, experts fear.

    Meanwhile this is the sort of insanity to be found on the Herald website.

  120. EvilElvis

    Anne is a parody, or am I wishful thinking no one could be like that.

    I’m almost leaning towards hoping she’s right the way things are going.

  121. notafan

    I’m certainly in daily fear of green house gas emissions.

    Sealed or unsealed.

  122. Rockdoctor

    News.com so called free articles is a lie. The so called free articles consists of 1 headline that looks like a social media feed on the Telegraph and The Australian is still fully paywalled even for Wuhan Virus related articles. I didn’t expect a full unlock but really if this is all you are going to offer, why bother.

  123. rickw

    “This is all riding on Tom Hanks. If anything happens to Tom Hanks, f*** that sh*ts over dude. I’m gonna be on my roof…[does the shotgun motion]”

    Funny how the loony left have suddenly discovered the value of firearms!

  124. Viva

    My sister lives alone alone and is getting chemo treatment. Her twice daily walk with the dogs around a local park is essential for her mental health.

    Now they are threatening to shut down the parks.

  125. Dr Faustus

    Yep SCOMO is forked. No one in the bubble will be telling him people read beyond the MSM. They will soon realise other models were available and the COVID scare was always overblown.

    A Covid19 fatality for sure.
    Albanese has picked a winner with the ALP’s No Shit On Our Shoes We Got Out of the Elected Government’s Way strategy.

    Unfortunately, after all the destruction, we will have Labor doing the rebuilding, with a blank policy chequebook. Nothing will be off limits.

  126. Do you wonder how it is that in your whole life you always, 100% of the time, seem to end up on the side of Austraia’s (sic) enemies?

    Do you wonder how it is that in your whole life you always, 100% of the time, seem never to answer the question?

  127. rickw

    That parrot is dead.

    And mounted on Scomo’s inner totalitarian boner.

  128. bespoke

    That’s the hook EE. Seed it with what people want to hear.

  129. BorisG

    People who brand me as scaremonger should remember that at the beginning I was saying this virus is not much worse than a bad flu. Heard this from a number of sources. But then Fisk and others rightly pointed out that China won’t shut down its economy just to see blue sky.

    Yet I was still in denial for a while thinking maybe CCP has overreacted. But then I saw more and more data, and I changed my tune. Data from China was probably unreliable and likely underestimated the true cases and deaths. But once data from outside of China started to come out, the true nature of this plaque became apparent.

    Some people are still in denial, telling us that data are deliberately manipulated etc. to sell papers, depose Trump, institute totalitarian measures etc. Fortunately these nice people are lately confined to asylums such as Cat. As an Italian colleague commented in his email: here after so many casualties no one is angry at lockdown anymore – you just don’t have enough fatalities yet.

    Let’s hope we do not get to that stage. These cranks are annoying but hopefully we never reach the level of fatalities that will convince them.

  130. stackja

    Which Cats want the Wuhan Virus to spread? I don’t.

  131. rickw

    My sister lives alone alone and is getting chemo treatment. Her twice daily walk with the dogs around a local park is essential for her mental health.

    Now they are threatening to shut down the parks.

    I live in an area with plenty of boxy little 70’s era units. The people in these units will go nuts if we get completely locked down.

  132. Struth

    . But once data from outside of China started to come out, the true nature of this plaque became apparent.

    Yes that’s right Boris, only the chin ks are bullshit artists.
    Believe everyone else.

  133. Anne

    Comey has thrown in the towel.

    Tweets “…I’ve lost” and a cryptic image with the top of the pyramid gone.

    “Suicide weekend”
    Q

  134. Struth

    Staying at home is no good for drinking.
    I thought I could have the corona virus this morning, for real.
    And then I realized it was a hangover because the symptoms were much worse.

  135. Farmer Gez

    Vic medical association head asking for more testing in Vic.
    80% of the population of NSW and half the testing rate.

    Dan of the Dead is too busy closing beaches and shutting shops for such trivialities.

  136. EvilElvis

    That’s the hook EE. Seed it with what people want to hear.

    Haha, I’m not hooked, bespoke. Just thinking out loud that at least with Anne’s train of thought, no matter how kooky it gets, there will be a reason for this.

  137. DHS

    James Campbell, Herald Sun:
    – Clowns in Canberra (Robodebt)
    – Depressions was 10% less activity for years after 1930, not a total stop on the Economy
    – The is a complete Global stop never been done before
    – Does the Govt have enough money to restart the Economy

    Maybe the disgusting journalists who got us into this mess are starting to realize that their own incomes are going to be devastated too. Given advertising is key to their revenue that will be the first thing businesses cut back on.

  138. mh

    ScoMo in presser says domestic violence numbers are surging.

  139. Mater

    Gez,
    Are you still looking for TP?

  140. EvilElvis

    Scomo live, services, mental health, domestic violence. FMD! Come on Anne and co. Let it be true!!!!

  141. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/7lvMNLhJrb0

    Faith No More Evidence

    Such a great song

  142. shatterzzz

    Unfortunately, after all the destruction, we will have Labor doing the rebuilding, with a blank policy chequebook. Nothing will be off limits.

    I get the feeling that we’ll be so much in debt that how much the next lot spend won’t matter .. after all what’s another trillion when you’ve already spent a trillion you didn’t have!

  143. John Comnenus

    Outsiders have been parroting the COVID panic without covering even the change in tone from Trump, Birx and Faucci. No outsider view except it’s treatment of the Chinese.

  144. egg_

    Insiders (now on iView)
    Campbell:
    The difference in deaths Italy vs Germany, with similar demographics re smoking, etc.is down to ICU beds availability.

    Grigbot?

  145. Armadillo

    This one is for Annie.

    Soros is about to get arrested. Yay.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jfrDR9oaQ

  146. stackja

    I have the internet, a radio, books and some food. I have some tp. I don’t drink alcohol or smoke. I can last for years.

  147. Struth

    When you close a nation down by force of arms, usually there will be a price to pay, much larger than a virus that is killing people most likely in lower numbers than the ordinary flu, with many known to be infected showing no symptoms.

    The darkness, death and pain from Sco Mo doing this, and the social breakdown, will make a virus that seems to have no effect on all the elites and famous old bastards that have caught it, look like a bright summer’s day.

    You give up your freedom for that.
    You wretched countrymen.
    They’re printing money FFS.

  148. egg_

    Given advertising is key to their revenue that will be the first thing businesses cut back on.

    Chanel No. Nein watching things verrrry closely.
    They’re certainly right onto ScoMo killing the Economy.

  149. Geriatric Mayfly

    ScoMo in presser says domestic violence numbers are surging.

    And who exactly is providing the information? The same opportunists as always.

  150. Dr Faustus

    Private hospital company stands down 800 staff

    Private hospital company Healthe Care has already stood down 800 staff and is putting in doubt 8000 beds at 34 private hospitals across Australia after the federal government cancelled elective surgeries in response to the COVID-19 spread.

    So, yet another unintended consequence.
    But in the footnotes:

    Chinese billionaire Liu Dian Bo bought Healthe Care for $900 million in 2015. Now, the company, which 9News understands was already facing financial pressure, is putting the heat on federal and state government for help.

    Your life in their hands…
    FMD.

  151. Twostix

    How can the world learn from Iceland?

    Population resources etc.

    Not apples with apples

    Oh you mean like comparing Italy with Australia?

  152. 1735099

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

  153. cohenite

    The Greens got 15% of the Lord Mayoral vote yesterday and are coming first (The Gabba) and second in a few Brisbane wards. I didn’t know that many Brisbanites had gone full retard and as the years go by more young retards will join them.

    Once you understand a sizeable minority of humans are literally insane it should come as no surprise that a literally insane political party like the filth gets a sizeable minority of the votes.

    Then of course some of these insane people put on a reasonable pretence of sanity until a trigger occurs and the scrambled nature of their perception comes oozing out.

    This is beyond hypocrisy and opportunism which describes some filth supporters, especially the z grade climate scientists and renewable spivs and jelly-back pollies; I’m talking about real insanity.

  154. Struth

    Claustrophobics will be tearing their hair out soon enough.
    Will they be tasered as they scream , running down the street?

  155. cohenite

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.

    You are stupid beyond belief. What I said about insanity.

    I really don’t understand why a total shit like you is not thrown off this site when an interesting lunatic with 1 horrible defect is banned.

  156. Some History

    This Neil Ferguson is a real piece of work. He has a terrible track record.

    “Neil Ferguson, the scientist who convinced Boris Johnson of UK coronavirus lockdown, criticised in past for flawed research analysis at Imperial College in London, produced a paper predicting that Britain was on course to lose 250,000 people during the coronavirus epidemic unless stringent measures were taken. His research is said to have convinced Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his advisors to introduce the lockdown.
    However, it has now emerged that Ferguson has been criticised in the past for making predictions based on allegedly faulty assumptions which nevertheless shaped government strategies and impacted the UK economy.
    He was behind disputed research that sparked the mass culling of farm animals during the 2001 epidemic of foot and mouth disease, a crisis which cost the country billions of pounds.
    And separately he also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die from bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, or ‘mad cow disease’) and its equivalent in sheep if it made the leap to humans. To date there have been fewer than 200 deaths from the human form of BSE and none resulting from sheep to human transmission.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/neil-ferguson-scientist-convinced-boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-criticised/

    The day they closed the countryside
    28 Feb 2001
    “THE countryside was effectively closed down yesterday with racing banned and local authorities ready to seal off public footpaths under emergency measures to halt the relentless spread of foot and mouth disease.
    The Six Nations rugby international between Wales and Ireland in Cardiff on Saturday was postponed at the request of the Irish government. Jim Scudamore, the Chief Veterinary Officer, warned Tony Blair and senior ministers that the outbreak would get worse before it got better. There were likely to be animals incubating the disease in the system, he said.
    Six new outbreaks were announced yesterday, taking the total to 18. Three of these were at abattoirs – one of them in Wales. The most recent case was confirmed last night at an abattoir in Okehampton, Devon. Thousands of livestock on these sites will be destroyed. Many more will be culled as a precaution on 19 farms designated as “dangerous contacts” in the outbreak.
    Foot and mouth has a two-week incubation and Mr Scudamore said intensive efforts were under way to trace animals that had passed through markets and come into contact with livestock connected to the original outbreak in Northumberland.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1324428/The-day-they-closed-the-countryside.html

  157. egg_

    GrigBoris: Apples and oranges are all equal, Comrade!

  158. Some History

    {cont’d)

    Use and abuse of mathematical models: an illustration from the 2001 foot and mouth disease epidemic in the United Kingdom.
    2006

    Abstract
    “Foot and mouth disease (FMD) is a major threat, not only to countries whose economies rely on agricultural exports, but also to industrialised countries that maintain a healthy domestic livestock industry by eliminating major infectious diseases from their livestock populations. Traditional methods of controlling diseases such as FMD require the rapid detection and slaughter of infected animals, and any susceptible animals with which they may have been in contact, either directly or indirectly.
    During the 2001 epidemic of FMD in the United Kingdom (UK), this approach was supplemented by a culling policy driven by unvalidated predictive models. The epidemic and its control resulted in the death of approximately ten million animals, public disgust with the magnitude of the slaughter, and political resolve to adopt alternative options, notably including vaccination, to control any future epidemics. The UK experience provides a salutary warning of how models can be abused in the interests of scientific opportunism.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16796055

  159. Twostix

    Let’s hope we do not get to that stage. These cranks are annoying but hopefully we never reach the level of fatalities that will convince them.

    And here it comes.

    The wallback begins preparing the way for…”well we’re just lucky that it wasn’t armageddon, this time”

    The cranks are the idiots who destroyed our economy because old people died in Italy.

  160. egg_

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.

    M0ntyesque Wrongology, right there.

  161. bespoke

    1735099 Attempts to be prophetic and ends up being pathetic.

  162. mh

    Another passenger from the Ruby Princess has died.

    All that does is remind us how crap government is.

  163. Struth

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

    The hatred of humanity and the west in every sickening comment as he starts to see victory……………

    The pleasure will be, for us, that he will also now get his totalitarian wishes good and hard.
    It doesn’t discriminate.
    For that, it’s almost worth it.
    The left are going to be slapped hard in the face with their desired reality.

  164. Twostix

    In a few months watch Boris immediately return to being an open borders globalist “liberal” – berating as racist and xenophobic anti-china tariffs and border policies.

  165. Dr Faustus

    I get the feeling that we’ll be so much in debt that how much the next lot spend won’t matter .. after all what’s another trillion when you’ve already spent a trillion you didn’t have!

    Very true.
    And that ‘another trillion’ is going to have to come from private wealth in some form.
    It’s the redistribution process that will be the real panic.

  166. Infidel Tiger

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

    Agreed.

    Corporatism is dead. Localism is the way forward.

    “Locals only” signs will be popping up everywhere.

  167. egg_

    ScoMo in presser says domestic violence numbers are surging.

    Isolated are playing whack-a-mole, NOT whack-a-moll?

  168. bespoke

    Another disgusting spitter arrested in SA

  169. Public order is within a fleas foreskin of breaking down in Dannograd.

    You can smell the fear.

  170. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 10:39 am:

    “If ScoMo starts speaking of splashing more (of your) cash – you’ll know his sphincter is puckering.”

    I dunno why you feel the need to tell me that, I’ve not been his champion here. He just happens to be the (marginally) best of the worst, most incompetent political class of my adult life.

    Indeed back in 2013-2014, when the excitable fans here clamored for his elevation to the leadership when he did the job Abbott directed him to do in repelling the illegals, I suggested it was not a good idea because so little was known of his political breeding, the identity of his benefactor(s) and the faction to which he belonged. Strike me rotten – there were posters here who saw grand qualities because he wore nice ties, much as they did when they cheered for Andrew Bolt in 2011 with his new television role, the Great White Hope with no appetite for the brawl.

    Morrison revealed his absence of distinction or difference when he became the vote collector for that evil little man Turnbull, facilitating the bed-wetters dumping of Tony Abbott – the man who led them to an outstanding electoral victory and a well paid lazy man’s job. Morrison secured one of the top jobs, stumbling about as a Turnbull puppet with no idea and no direction. He further revealed a treachery common to the Liberal Branch of the Labor Party by deposing the Member for Goldman Sachs.

    I nonetheless prefer he be in the chair than Turnbull right now. That turd would be negotiating a price for our future with every dodgy suitor who came through his door, offering him a Laurie Connell sized facilitation fee.

    There is no-one else. Every other Liberal-Labor member is an even more mediocre member of the useless bed-wetters, who I have not forgotten. These amateurs now hold ministerial positions directing yours and my future, with no qualifications or experience in anything.

    I dealt with politicians, State premiers and ministers, and departmental emperors throughout my senior executive career, lobbying for the oil and coal industry and for my professional association. I have been around long enough to now have the luxury of offering every one of them that I encounter a few personally destructive insults and dismissive disdain.

  171. bespoke

    when an interesting lunatic with 1 horrible defect is banned.

    Sinc smoted himself ?.

  172. Tom

    The Sunday morning photo opportunity for Canberra’s Keynesian clowns is delaying a perfectly good Sunday Footy Show on Nein. Hurry up, fuck-knuckles — you’re excuciating even with the sound turned down.

  173. Twostix

    Never before seen in Australia government expansiin of power and the abolition of hundreds of years of tradition about what we assume and expect government can and can’t do to us have been like catnip to a lot of establishment “liberals”.

    They’re gushing about it.

    “When we said you couldn’t have borders we weren’t talking about internal checkpoints and limited movement of citizens!”

    “When we sued the government about sending foreigners to Narau because we say it’s against their human rights, we didn’t mean the government couldn’t arbitrairily imprison citizens in their suburbs and houses”

    Very telling!

  174. egg_

    Can Their Lisa do a video: “Don’t belt your Lesbo girlfriend, just ’cause she ate the last packet of TimTams”?

  175. Robber Baron

    The one thing l am absolutely certain is that many trillions more will be redistributed by the politicians to their owners.

    If you are not winning now you are not part of the winning team.

  176. Dr Faustus

    The Greens got 15% of the Lord Mayoral vote yesterday and are coming first (The Gabba) and second in a few Brisbane wards. I didn’t know that many Brisbanites had gone full retard and as the years go by more young retards will join them.

    The inner south Brisbane City suburbs are now thickly populated with urban bug persons, because nice cafes, interesting brew-pubs, and an easy commute to the CBD and public service employment. Over the past 10 years, the rush of hi-rise development in the Gabba and West End has provided nests for 30,000 of the bastards.

    The only upside is that the Green plague is scaring the shit out of Jackie Trad.

  177. Anne

    Thanks Armadillo, X22Report is an excellent YT channel. Haven’t caught up with that one yet but I’m sure it’s true. The Elites in Politics, Hollywood, Business & NGOs are being rounded up right now.

    Done in 30.

    The Navy Hospital Ships, Mercy & Comport are being used to house and ultimately transport the Traitors and Monsters to Gitmo.

    Mercy & Comfort. Think mirror. Punishment and Pain.

  178. bespoke

    IR

    Sinc likely do’es allot to himself that we dare not think of. 😎

  179. Mark A

    stackja
    #3382306, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:20 am

    I have the internet, a radio, books and some food. I have some tp. I don’t drink alcohol or smoke. I can last for years.

    What’s the point?
    /s

  180. Tel

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.

    By Jove you’ve solved this … round things are the enemy!

    Why didn’t I think of that sooner? I’m off to slash some tyres … have this sorted by dinner … toodles.

  181. egg_

    The Sunday morning photo opportunity for Canberra’s Keynesian clowns is delaying a perfectly good Sunday Footy Show on Nein. Hurry up, fuck-knuckles — you’re excuciating even with the sound turned down.

    Coronapanic News took up 3 hours of Saturday morning’s Rage (including the Top 20).
    Insane.
    J’imsists are NOT the centre of THIS Universe, Aunty.

  182. Tel

    “Locals only” signs will be popping up everywhere.

    They already put local traffic only signs up on a lot of the back streets around here.

    Everyone ignores them of course.

  183. Sinclair Davidson

    Farmer gez – check your email

  184. DrBeauGan

    Infidel Tiger
    #3382331, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:34 am

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

    Agreed.

    Corporatism is dead. Localism is the way forward.

    “Locals only” signs will be popping up everywhere.

    Equalling numbers in destructive wishful thinking ought to worry you, IT.

  185. egg_

    The one thing l am absolutely certain is that many trillions more will be redistributed by the politicians to their owners.

    The UN and China are obviously major world players, the US running behind.
    Thank God for Trump.

  186. Confused Old Misfit

    Chinese billionaire Liu Dian Bo bought Healthe Care for $900 million in 2015. Now, the company, which 9News understands was already facing financial pressure, is putting the heat on federal and state government for help.

    A grab for taxpayer money.
    Nationalize the bastard: Yes here’s the money, now we, the taxpayers, have 100% equity in what was once your company.

  187. egg_

    Ike’s MIRC has shifted to the UN and China.

  188. mh

    Can Their Lisa do a video: “Don’t belt your Lesbo girlfriend, just ’cause she ate the last packet of TimTams”?

    I cannot see the ‘stay in your home’ message lasting beyond 2-3 weeks.

    It will change to go and have a walk around the park while maintaining distancing.

    Or a stroll along the beach.

  189. Anne

    Interesting Anon decode of the “Elite” meltdowns.

    Self quarantined = House arrest.

    Self-quarantined, Coronavirus exposure = Detained and questioned.

    Tested negative = No confession, going to trial.

    Tested positive = Confessed to take a deal, execution out of public eye.

  190. DHS

    People who brand me as scaremonger should remember that at the beginning I was saying this virus is not much worse than a bad flu

    At every point you’ve blindly followed official sources without ever questioning their ability to test or predict what was happening.

  191. woolfe

    Great informative article from WSJ

    How the Coronavirus Attacks Your Body

    It starts, most often, with a cough or a sneeze.

    Thousands of tiny, often invisible droplets of saliva or mucus disperse in the air. You walk by—within 6 feet of the offender—and inadvertently inhale the droplets.

    The novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19 begins like most other respiratory viruses. Scientists are still studying what happens in the body when someone gets infected and how the virus in some patients progresses to the lungs, causing viral pneumonia, difficulty breathing, and even death.

    The race to better understand the virus comes as global death tolls spiral, patients flood emergency rooms, and hospitals at the center of the growing U.S. crisis clamor for supplies. Doctors have been forced to learn much about how the virus works as they go.

    But there are some things scientists know based on how other similar respiratory viruses work. That coupled with recent case reports from infected patients in China and Washington state have given scientists a basic understanding of how it works though they say there is still much to be learned.

    The virus most commonly enters the nose through minuscule droplets from someone’s mucus or saliva, says Steve Lawrence, an infectious disease physician at Washington University and Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis. This is the primary way of spreading the virus, which is why public health experts and governments are focusing on social distancing as a prevention strategy. It can also enter through the eyes or mouth.

    A scan of a 51-year-old man believed to have been infected with the new coronavirus, showing mild lung disease with peripheral opacities in both lungs (indicated with arrows).

    Once the virus’s particles enter the body, they begin to attach to a particular receptor on the surface of the body’s cells, usually starting with cells in the mucous membranes in the nose and throat. The coronavirus is distinguished by spiky proteins on its surface; these spikes latch onto cell membranes. The virus then enters the cells and disassembles so its RNA—molecules that carry instructions from DNA to the body’s cells—can start to reproduce.

    “You can find very high levels of virus in the nasal passages even before people have developed cough and fevers, suggesting that it is initially an upper respiratory infection,” says Daniel Kuritzkes, chief of the division of infectious diseases at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston.

    Though most people likely start with an upper respiratory infection, it’s also possible that respiratory droplets are inhaled more deeply and go directly into the lungs, says Brian Garibaldi, an associate professor of pulmonary and critical care at Johns Hopkins University. “It has a special protein that binds more tightly to cells in the lower respiratory tract,” he says.

    Wherever it lands, the virus hijacks cells and starts replicating, ultimately producing millions of viral particles that flood the body.

    “Like other viruses it takes over the cellular machinery of the cell and makes more copies of itself and spreads,” says Dr. Garibaldi.

    When your immune system recognizes there’s a new virus in your body it starts using signaling molecules called cytokines to start calling in reinforcements to the site of infection. “Many of those cytokines end up causing a fever,” says Dr. Garibaldi.

    Once the virus has attacked enough cells in the upper respiratory system, most people will start to feel symptoms. This happens on average five days after being exposed to the virus but it can be sooner or as many as two weeks later, studies show.

    These early symptoms usually include a dry cough and fever, and sometimes a sore throat, as well as aches and fatigue. Loss of taste and smell have also been reported as early signs of infection.

    For the majority of people—roughly 80% according to reports from China—the symptoms end there and dissipate in a few days or weeks.

    But for some people, predominantly older people and those with other medical conditions, the virus keeps traveling down and invading cells in the lungs.

    When the cells start moving down the respiratory system into the lungs it becomes a lower respiratory illness, which is considered more serious. That could happen two to seven days after symptoms start, says Dr. Kuritzkes.

    Once the virus starts infecting the cells that line the air sacs in the lungs, viral pneumonia develops, which is inflammation of the lungs. Shortness of breath is an indication that the virus is damaging the lungs.

    “Those people who develop pneumonia or get seriously ill, it’s because they’ve had infection of the lung itself, not just the upper airways,” says Dr. Kuritzkes.

    And the lungs often face a two-way assault. There is damage from the virus but a second equally debilitating response takes place: The body’s own immune system goes into overdrive, causing more lung damage.

    Some patients’ immune systems flare up, producing a lot of white blood cells that flood the infection site in the lungs, causing damage. They secrete a lot of cytokines that enhance the inflammation, says Dr. Kuritzkes. “That can make it difficult for people to breathe. All this fluid that accumulates and all these extra cells that don’t belong there create a barrier for oxygen exchange,” he says.

    One key feature that distinguishes Covid-19 from other viruses such as the flu is the high frequency of pneumonia, even in people with only mildly symptomatic cases, he says.

    Studies of Covid-19 patients whose lungs were examined show several distinctive and unusual patterns. Adam Bernheim, a cardiothoracic radiologist at the Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, and co-researchers studied the chest CT chest scans of 121 positive coronavirus patients from China. They published their results in the journal Radiology last month.

    The researchers found a striking pattern: The pneumonia progressed along the lungs’ outer edges, as evidenced by hazy, gray circular spots. “A normal lung is black, because it contains air,” says Dr. Bernheim. “In coronavirus with pneumonia, air is being replaced by cells, inflammation, fluid, debris and pus, so it starts to turn gray or even white.”

    The spots developed in some patients within two days of symptom onset and were nearly universal in patients three days or more later. Dr. Bernheim says the pattern is different from garden-variety bacterial pneumonia that the flu often leads to, which often shows one very dense white area in the lung.

    When the lung becomes progressively more damaged, that triggers what is known as acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. This typically develops seven to 14 days into the course of the illness.

    The lungs become less efficient at exchanging oxygen and carbon dioxide and continue to become inflamed. Patients need assistance breathing because there’s no therapy to treat ARDS.

    “The ventilator is buying time for the lung to repair itself after a virus has run its course and the immune system response has calmed down,” says Dr. Garibaldi.

    Matthew Arentz, a pulmonary and critical care doctor at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland, Wash., published a study in JAMA earlier this month looking at the chest images of the first 21 critically ill Covid-19 patients in the U.S.

    Two-thirds of the patients were from nursing facilities with an average age of 70-years-old and most had chronic medical conditions. Eighty-four percent required mechanical ventilation and only four people survived, says Dr. Arentz.

    Chest X-rays demonstrated pneumonia in 19 of the 21 patients, all of whom developed ARDS.

    Most of the patients who died were unable to maintain adequate oxygen levels due to diseased lungs. But one-third developed heart failure, which is another way some Covid-19 patients are dying.

    Some doctors say that abrupt onset of heart problems seems to be another distinctive trait of Covid-19—heart failure was reported with MERS and does occur rarely with the flu, but appears to be a striking feature in some severe cases of Covid-19, says Dr. Kuritzkes.

    Case reports from other countries, too, show that some Covid-19 patients experience heart failure or an abnormal heart rhythm, says Dr. Lawrence.

    Physicians say it’s unclear what’s causing the heart issues. It could be that people’s hearts weaken, or that the hyperactive response of the immune system stresses the heart. Though the risk is greater for those with pre-existing heart conditions, there are also reports of patients without heart disease experiencing cardiac failure from Covid-19, says Dr. Garibaldi.

    “We don’t know if the virus is doing something to the heart or the heart may have been stressed by the patient’s critical illness because a lot of these patients are older and have other health problems,” says Dr. Arentz.

  192. Some History

    The “scientists” [giggle] of Tobacco Control (Prohibitionism) were the early ones to influence government policy/law and their “work” makes Ferguson look like an intellectual giant.

  193. egg_

    There’s a stark similarity between the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and the Corona virus.

    Only an Asteroid Tax will save us from annihilation?

  194. woolfe

    Really good article i just posted was eaten by Spaminator.

    Sinc?

  195. egg_

    People who brand me as scaremonger should remember that at the beginning I was saying this virus is not much worse than a bad flu.

    UK HCID have ruled it out as an infectious disease.
    Next?

  196. rickw:

    Hence I’m only returning the Coyote Brown mags after the replacements turn up!

    Who did you buy the mags through?
    I need a couple of 10 rd .308 for a Howa.

  197. Farmer Gez

    Mater.
    Thanks for the TP offer. More supplies in our Super M today.
    Cheers.

  198. egg_

    “When we sued the government about sending foreigners to Narau because we say it’s against their human rights, we didn’t mean the government couldn’t arbitrairily imprison citizens in their suburbs and houses”

    Virtually imprisoning Public Service loons is the best thing we’ve done?
    Cage match of death?

  199. Struth

    Old people die all over the place, on ships, in shops,
    on sand on rocks.
    They die here and they die there,
    they die flying in mid air
    But old folk tend to die
    where they happen to be, and I’ll tell you why
    You cannot die while you’re not there
    you have to be present or death’s not declared.
    So as sure as someday a breath will be your last
    And you tell your taxman to go kiss his arse,
    you’ll find more deaths where old people are found
    like on cruise ships and tour groups, out or inbound.

    Could it be that to heighten the fear, those that profit from lies
    Scream the virus is here……
    But from my point of view, yes it’d be a miracle to me
    if one day was to pass
    with not a cruise ship death at sea.

  200. Twostix

    I don’t blame morrison for much of this other than not closing the borders early. It’s obvious that he and the feds are not running much now and are largely responding to decisions the states are making. He’s basically a mouthpiece for the states at this point. He lost control at the start when he didn’t force the premiers to front up to the pressers alongside him (he of course thought he’d do it himself and Show Who’s Boss – oops).

    The states have just out-politiced the feds for the first time in decades.

    We saw with the Victorian lockdown and QLD elections and border closures that the states retain all of the power.

    They’re doing whatever they like and are using the National Cabinet idiocy to make Morrison be the face of it all and dance like a monkey in front of the people.

    Which is why he’s coming across as such a mess. He has to try and wrap up half a dozen disparate policies that change daily – which he has zero control over into one fake “unified” front the he’s in charge of.

  201. egg_

    A month locked up with Alberscreechy or the bat flu?
    That is the question.

  202. Old School Conservative

    James Campbell, Herald Sun

    He said recently that he’s got several case studies of Chinese “students” rorting education visas ready to go at his paper, but the virus coverage prevents his stories getting into print.

  203. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coronavirus: NSW medics face charges for defying new quarantine orders

    Kieran Gair
    Journalist
    @KieranGair
    20 minutes ago March 29, 2020
    No Comments

    NSW police are expected to charge 33 medical professionals after they allegedly breached public health orders and disobeyed directions to go into quarantine at an airport hotel in Sydney after arriving from South America on Friday night.

    Police said the group of medics defied police orders to go into quarantine and instead moved on to the domestic terminal and flew home to several regional cities and towns across NSW.

    The medics were among a number of passengers told by health and border officials to go into quarantine at designated hotels in Sydney. However, when police returned a short time later to issue public health orders they discovered that 33 of the passengers were missing.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  204. stackja

    Twostix
    #3382377, posted on March 29, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    Bush fires created by states. Feds got blame.

  205. Anne

    The Ten Commandments of the New World Order that might have been.

    THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
    2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
    3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
    4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
    5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
    6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
    7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
    8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
    9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
    10. Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.

  206. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3382382, posted on March 29, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    Yes! They not bothered by rules. Name and shame?

  207. thefrollickingmole

    Before I scroll back…

    Eamail from the SES co-ordinators, they are requesting SES members to assist with roadblock manning in our area..
    excerpt below.

    Further to our telephone conversations I am looking for indicative availability of volunteers to assist WAPOL personnel in manning roadblock throughout the ##########.

    Anyone good at photoshop?
    Id like to order a 12 monkeys stencil but with winnie the Poohs around the border and “China did it” on the bottom.
    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.484969999.4504/flat,550×550,075,f.jpg

  208. Twostix

    The National Cabinet naturally was the feds idea and creation.

    Always looking to muscle in on everyone else’s business and turn up and take over any event and make it about them.

    Except as they’re learning.- the states are the bedrock on which the nation rests. The commonwealth is just a bunch of distant paper pushers with no real boots-on-the-ground muscle and power.

    Basically the EU of Australia.

  209. Struth

    I would not help them, Frolicking mole.

  210. Anne

    If You Had To Sum Up Everything Happening Behind The Scenes The Past Two Years With Trump, Obama, Hillary, Deep State, QAnon, FBI, Russia Hoax, Technocracy, White Hats, Black Hats, & CIA In One Sentence.

    ‘Haman was hanged on the very gallows that he had built for Mordecai.’

    @EntheosShines

    Tweet from 20-3-18

  211. egg_

    BorisG
    #3382284, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:07 am

    What a dissembling load of horse sh1t.

    Holding up Italy as the model, eh?

    So be it.

  212. OldOzzie

    Quality is always the problem with China !!!

    The only thing which China manufactures which works really well is…

    The Coronavirus !!!

    MAGA TRUMP Pence – November 3 Landslide

    Comment from

    cohenite
    #3382334, posted on March 29, 2020 at 11:35 am
    4 Ways China Gains from the Coronavirus Pandemic

    It’s almost as though the chunks planned it.

  213. Boambee John

    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

    The seagull goes full communist!

  214. Tel:

    I know, I know, hoarding, selfish, dreadful … but everyone else had plenty of opportunity so that’s how the individual responsibility cookie crumbles.

    Hoarding is excessive buying/stocking during a period of shortage.
    Individual responsibility is buying/storing in a manner that does not deny other people their ability to buy/stock.
    In fact I would go so far as to say that people who stock up during ‘the years of plenty,’ are actually providing a service by not being a drain on scarce supplies during ‘the years of famine’.
    Putting it another way – how much strain would the system be under if everyone had a years worth of consumables stored?

  215. Twostix

    The commonwealth could only expand its scope and muscle in on the states as long as it convinced the people that it was doing what they desired and sold them a dream.

    Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, etc got away with stomping around the place hoovering power into Canberra because they were good politicians and presented a dream to the people of being a powerful nation. That the commonwealth was a pure expression of the will of the people – acting for us exclusively.

    Over the last decade though the commonwealth has lost the heart of the people. It is clearly not ever operating exclusively with our interests at heart. Always dual loyalties. It increasingly must buy our attention and affection. And increasingly sees us as an enemy and problem that needs to be fixed.

    Without a people inspired by big dreams of being a big important country backing it the commonwealth just becomes a distant, weird, parasitical bossy irritant.

    Power is and will continue to drain back to its natural place: the states.

  216. how much strain would the system be under if everyone had a years worth of consumables stored?

    How many days of national petrol/diesel supply do we have?
    Tell me again.

  217. Old School Conservative

    A group of doctors who landed at Sydney Airport from Chile fled their hotels where they had been ordered to self-isolate, with 27 managing to board domestic flights.
    NSW Police Minister David Elliott expressed his disappointment at the breach.

    No, you pantywaisted softy.
    Disappointment is when your kid trips during a school running race.
    Disappointment is when it rains cats and dogs on the day you were planning a family beach outing.
    Disappointment is when a good mate resigns from your workplace.

    When 33 of our best and brightest deliberately flout rules set for the entire population, anger and fury are the only responses.
    Gut curdling, bubbling, intense anger and fury.
    So get those bloody armed forces of ours doing the right thing.
    Not ganging up on little old dears who walk to the shops in a convoy, but actually taking firm action against entitled, superior wankers who thumb their noses at the ordinary punter.

    Go on Elliot, do something for the huge salary you are still drawing.
    Get some results on this scandal.

  218. Cassie of Sydney

    “Boambee John
    #3382394, posted on March 29, 2020 at 12:13 pm
    It will be fascinating to watch which of the dinosaurs that underpin global Capitalism remain when it’s done.

    The seagull goes full communist!”

    Not “goes”….he always has been.

  219. EvilElvis

    Corporatism is dead. Localism is the way forward.

    I’m pretty sure if this keeps up you’ll get plenty of ‘localism’, IT. Just not the way you think though.

    Just imagine the festering chasm that has been boiling for years between the plebs and the PS, now cracked open for all to see, spilling into your town. All the local shite that’s been swept under the rug, the corruption at town/council level, the haves and have nots finally erupting, neighbour to neighbour.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  220. Anne

    Amazing.

    City in Brazil singing praise to Jesus during quarantine.

    https://twitter.com/eileeneileenur/status/1244071030374772740 1min

    Same thing seen in Italy.

    There’s a spiritual awakening happening around the world.

    Evil is being defeated.

  221. Anne

    And the secular version in New York. 🙂

    Good will to all men is spreading.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1244022920332087297

  222. egg_

    I nonetheless prefer he be in the chair than Turnbull right now.

    I’m not sure it would be any different.
    The best flattening the curve scenario from the UK was:
    “Isolating cases, quarantine, social distancing >70s

    What’s with the Bondi beach clown show?

  223. notafan

    Because young people go home and infect old people.

  224. DrBeauGan

    There’s a spiritual awakening happening around the world.

    Evil is being defeated.

    You, IT and numbers. There’s a surge in wishful thinking.

  225. Infidel Tiger

    A group of doctors who landed at Sydney Airport from Chile fled their hotels where they had been ordered to self-isolate, with 27 managing to board domestic flights.
    NSW Police Minister David Elliott expressed his disappointment at the breach.

    Cancel their medical licences.

  226. egg_

    You’re turning into Candy, nota.
    Sad.

  227. egg_

    At what point does a vibrant young woman turn into the stereotypical “old woman”/scold/fishwife?

  228. DrBeauGan

    At what point does a vibrant young woman turn into the stereotypical “old woman”/scold/fishwife?

    The day after the honeymoon ends, at the latest.

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