UPDATE: Important lessons from Korea

Advice from Korea.  Subtitled after the introduction and a bit on the long side, showing what they learned from the pandemics of recent times. Buried in it, a nice line – “capitalism at its finest” referring to the R&D started years ago by private firms to be ready for the next pandemic (this one).

A few things: 20% of diagnosed cases (found by testing) have no symptoms,  it is possible to re-infect, masks  help, hand washing and attention to possibly infected surfaces and fabrics is critical.

Plus The Soap Story. Andrew  Bolt has a piece that explains in great detail what a lot of people have been saying, soap is the way to go for safe hands.

Forget all those sanitisers. The humble bar of soap, plus hot water, is the potent weapon against the coronavirus. I didn’t realise how good soap was until I read about its molecular structure – and its wicked tail that cracks through the virus’s fat layers that protects the poison inside. Read this and you’ll never take soap for granted again.

Far more than you wanted to know, but enjoy the pictures!

Repeating a message that I put in a comment on the Cat Family thread, I am available to do shopping and light duties for any Cat, or indeed anyone else, in the vicinity of Lower Neutral Bay who is isolated for any reason without friends or relatives nearby. You don’t need to get someone to drive across the width of Sydney to change a light globe or buy some groceries.

Liberty Quote – The fact that censorship is progressivism’s default position regarding so many things is evidence of progressives’ pessimism about the ability of their agenda to advance under a regime of robust discussion. It also indicates the delight progressives derive from bossing people around and imposing a particular sensibility, in the name of diversity, of course.     — George Will

Bit of a change from the ’60s, Wot?

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28 Responses to UPDATE: Important lessons from Korea

  1. stackja

    I could not remember if I had soap last year, so I bought extra soap before WHO Wuhan virus was announced. Memory lapses come in handy sometimes.

  2. Yarpos

    Mmmmmm i will throw away my sanitizer when i have a sink and running water and a towel in my car

  3. Nick

    That’s very kind of you Rafe.

  4. duncanm

    Excellent idea Rafe.

    I ditto this offer for anyone in the NW Sydney area – I can probably cover area bounded by North Ryde, Hornsby, Cherrybrook, West PH.

    Sinc can fwd my email.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve always preferred soap to those detergent ‘body washes’ and have been sad to see soap relegated to a smaller and smaller part of the supermarket shelving while the body washes have surged ahead. Soap is great stuff, with a long tradition behind it. I hope the current emphasis on soap makes it surge back into use to reclaim its rightful place in the history of cleanliness and luxurious bathing.

  6. Tel

    Yup. Those hand basins conveniently placed in the supermarket carpark have never been so useful as they are right now.

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As a beneficiary already of one Cat’s thoughtful delivery service when he happened to be in the local area and phoned to enquire as to our needs, I commend you too Rafe for your concern for those around you. In enforced quarantine at home, we had run out of fresh milk and tonic water, our Woolies delivery not due till Monday, and we didn’t want to drag our kids over for such small needs, but the Lone Cat Express came swiftly to the rescue en passant. Perhaps we can reciprocate to others when our freedom is restored in ten days now or so. Any Eastern Suburbs Cats can get my email from Sinc for this.

  8. Candy

    My local Coles was out of soap last week except a last 1 or 2 bars of fancy stuff of $6 each. No toilet paper or other essentials. When will this hoarding ever stop.

  9. Shy Ted

    Try telling that to the Poms.

  10. Destroyer D69

    Sunlight Soap,500 grm about 4 bucks in the LAUNDRY aisle……. Best soap ever made

  11. Shane

    Another thing that strangely remains totally off the radar, which had been known & talked about since then is the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918, 1919 & 1920, is simple bicarbonate of soda taken internally.
    There are a multitude of testimonials on record from back then which are readily accessible to any curious person who is able use a search engine.
    Any time I’ve start to sniffle these last few weeks, bicarb has stopped it dead in its tracks.
    Apparently this & similar respiratory viruses just can’t tolerate the PH spike that bicarb induces in the body.
    Plus bicarb calms down the over reaction of the nervous system & immune system.
    So none of what is going on makes any sense to any curious person.
    Like keeping people off sunlit beaches much less stop people going in seawater, two of the most benefically things you go do healthwise, is just so bizarre.
    It does point out that we are no smarter & just as easily manipulated as the Germans in the 1930s or the Russians in the 1920s & 1930s or the Chinese during the Cultural Revolution.
    Not a fan of using the label of conspiracy theorist as since 1967, it is used to stop any critical thinking & curious questions, but the claims of this current epidemic seem to be the ultimate conspiracy theory, almost like a dry run, a world wide psyops or a serious rehearsal & trawling for data prepping something much bigger still to come.

    And we all breathed a sigh of relief last year when we thought we had dodged Blessed Greta & that economy killing Shorten Green New Deal last year which was going to save our world by destroying it economically.

  12. Ed Case

    Shortage of medical grade Bicarbonate of Soda. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/baking-soda-shortage-has-hospitals-frantic-delaying-treatments-and-surgeries/
    Someone on UR yesterday said Baking soda has disappeared from supermarket shelves in America.

  13. Rafe Champion

    Thanks folks, its just that I spent so many years working for the government that i can’t stop being helpful.

  14. A kind and thoughtful offer to all Rafe. Thanks for inspiring us. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

  15. When will this hoarding ever stop.

    It doesn’t appear to be slowing yet, Candy. My local Woolies was bare of just about any meat or chicken yesterday. Don’t even ask about sanitiser or toilet rolls. Plenty of Easter eggs and soft drink.

  16. old bloke

    That’s very decent of you Rafe. Let me know when your service area extends to Perth and I’ll send you my shopping list.

    Regarding hand sanitiser, I keep a small spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol in the car. Just spray that on your hands after venturing out to the shopping centre and you will be bug-free.

  17. Annie

    Soap and hot water plus clean towels are great at home; just a pity they are almost never available while one is out shopping! So hand sanitiser it has to be. Also a pack of disinfectant wipes to clean trolley handles. Also a mask…any mask is better than no mask so long as it is clean.
    If no handwashing or sanitiser is available, surely a clean cloth soaked in a disinfectant solution carried in a plastic bag also helps? Good old plastic bags.

  18. PB

    In the 80s Fairfield Infectious Diseases hospital (now closed) used only soap. Very few hand scrubs were around then because the article of faith was good, mechanical handwashing with a light, antiseptic soap bar under the running water. The rooms (mostly single for basic isolation) were designed to accomodate this process for the Nurses.

    They often boasted of their zero cross-infection rates.

  19. PB

    “My local Woolies was bare of just about any meat or chicken yesterday. ”

    An age-old villain, the wartime black marketeer, is getting stocks in. An early end to social distancing is the best weapon against them.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    When will this hoarding ever stop.

    It doesn’t appear to be slowing yet, Candy. My local Woolies was bare of just about any meat or chicken yesterday. Don’t even ask about sanitiser or toilet rolls. Plenty of Easter eggs and soft drink.

    Owner of my local I.G.A says it’s still going on.

  21. Megan

    I am unlikely to ever run out of actual soap. I have bars and bars of the stuff popped into my not inconsiderable stash of knitting wool and fabric as it deters bugs and stops it smelling musty.

    Might make a killing if the soap drought continues.

  22. Shane

    Below is probably the most concise summation re bicarb & viruses that I can find with links embedded on the actual site.
    [It’s an interesting counterpoint & makes for interesting reading while we cower at home until a vaccine is ready ….Its definitely not medical advice but its unlikely that you going to read this viewpoint in The Age , the Australian or many other places.
    BTW Who knew that next week, Fidel junior is increasing his carbon tax in Canada during their economic crisis?]

    The simple alkalinization of the blood reduces the cells susceptibility to the virus. The ability of influenza virus to release its genome under different acidic conditions is linked by medical science to the transmission of influenza virus. The threshold pH at which fusion is first observed can vary among different serotypes of membrane protein hemagglutinin (HA) and may correlate with virulence. The acid stability of HA has been linked to the successful transmission of virus between avian and human hosts.

    Coronavirus infectivity is actually exquisitely sensitive to pH. The MHV-A59 strain of coronavirus is quite stable at pH 6.0 (acidic) but becomes rapidly and irreversibly inactivated by brief treatment at pH 8.0 (alkaline). Human coronavirus strain 229E is maximally infective at pH 6.0. Infection of cells by coronavirus A59 at pH 6.0 (acidic) rather than pH 7.0 (neutral) yields a tenfold increase in the infectivity of the virus.

    Data suggests that the coronavirus IBV employs a direct, low-pH-dependent virus-cell fusion activation reaction. “Fusion of the coronavirus IBV with host cells does not occur at neutral pH and that fusion activation is a low-pH-dependent process, with a half-maximal rate of fusion at pH 5.5. Little or no fusion occurred above a pH of 6.0.”

    Raising pH (to an alkaline state) increases the immune system’s ability to kill bacteria, concludes The Royal Free Hospital and School of Medicine in London. The viruses and bacteria which cause bronchitis and colds thrive in an acidic environment. Keeping our pH in the slightly alkaline range of 6.8-7.2 can reduce the risk and lessen the severity of colds, sore throats and bouts of influenza. …………….

    When we thoroughly add alkalinity we invariably have mild attacks of viral infections and the same is true for bacterial and fungus infections. There is significant decrease in median number of colony forming bacteria and fungi in the lungs of pneumonia patients when sodium bicarbonate is used compared to saline.

    Medical scientists have already concluded that a 8.4% solution of bicarbonate is safe inhibitory drug for respiratory bacterial, fungal, and mycobacterial growth. Slow infusions of NaHCO3 (bicarbonate) can also be used to treat non-anion gap metabolic acidosis and some forms of increased anion gap acidosis, a common enough problem in ICU patients with serious lung infections.

    Viruses infect host cells by fusion with cellular membranes at low pH. Thus they are classified as “pH-dependent viruses.” Drugs that increase intracellular pH (alkalinity within the cell) have been shown to decrease infectivity of pH-dependent viruses. Since such drugs can provoke negative side effects, the obvious answer are natural techniques that can produce the same results. There is no pharmaceutical that can compete with sodium bicarbonate for changing the pH of the bodies fluids.

    Fusion of viral and cellular membranes is pH dependent. “Fusion depends on the acidification of the endosomal compartment. Fusion at the endosome level is triggered by conformational changes in viral glycoproteins induced by the low pH of this cellular compartment.”[1] In membrane biology, fusion is the process by which two initially distinct lipid bilayers merge their hydrophobic cores, resulting in one interconnected structure. It has been suggested that the hepatitis C virus (HCV) infects host cells through a pH-dependent internalization mechanism. This HCVpp-mediated fusion was dependent on low pH, with a threshold of 6.3 and an optimum at about 5.5.[2] When pH drops to 6 or below, rapid fusion between the membranes of viruses and the liposomes occurs.

    Takeda Pharmaceutical is joining Gilead Sciences and AbbVie as the latest drugmaker to work on developing a coronavirus vaccine. The experimental drug would be derived from the blood of coronavirus patients who have recovered from the respiratory disease. “While we don’t know for sure that it will work, we think it’s definitely a relevant asset that could be of help here,” said Dr. Rajeev Venkayya, president of Takeda’s vaccines business. pH medicine will definitively work because viruses are pH dependent and sodium bicarbonate is available everywhere and costs almost next to nothing. In hospitals bicarbonate is easily administered intravenously……… ”

  23. Luzu

    Hello, Old Bloke

    I live in Perth and would be glad to help where I can.


  24. yarpos

    Thanks for the inspiration/prod re the helping out idea. I will do the same amongst our regional car club community (88 members at present) who are over represtented in the risk group categories. Even if they dont need anything now at least they will know they have a some local support. Many of their family groups are interstate , overseas or in the worst cases dont give a shit.

    I gave up on another blog recently as it got very negative and finger pointing, so this will give me something positive to do.

  25. mem

    Thank you for posting the video from Korea. Possibly the most direct and useful information I’ve seen on the virus. Both interviewer and interviewee were determined to answer questions factually. It should be on all mainstream media. As for WHO the individual members need to be pilloried in their country of original as they have not only let their own countries down but the world. This organization was so busy flogging the climate change scam to benefit themselves that they didn’t perform their core function to prepare for threats to world health. A pox on them.

  26. Rafe Champion

    Good move yarpos, if all the clubs and societies do something like that it will be more helpful than the extra Billion dollars that the Gov has committed to mental health.

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