Monday Forum: March 30, 2020

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  1. stackja

    Must stop at 2 in public

  2. Boambee John

    Not quite podium!

  3. stackja

    Armadillo
    #3383749, posted on March 30, 2020 at 4:00 am

    Tom interruptus.

  4. stackja

    Eyrie
    #3383915, posted on March 30, 2020 at 9:13 am
    Top ten, checking in

    Are we related? If not one of us must leave.

    Boambee John
    #3383908, posted on March 30, 2020 at 9:09 am
    Not quite podium!

    Or must

  5. Tintalrella di Luna

    Ciao gatti e gattine

  6. calli

    Are we all happy little socially isolated minions yet?

    If not, why not?

  7. anker

    Some of us have to work for a living.

  8. Farmer Gez

    Dan Andrews is not only demoralising the population, he is hounding them as potential criminals and asks Victorians to spy and report on their neighbours.

    Yet the media claims he is showing leadership.

    Trump is showing leadership, Andrews is peddling fear and suspicion.

  9. PK

    I note that higher population density is one of the factors attributed to Italy’s relatively high death rate from Whuhan virus.
    Why are we being unwillingly forced to adopt the high density model by our gormless leadership. In the wide brown land of all places?

  10. Tom

    Being first on a new fred used to have meaning. Not now that Doomlord has decided scramble the Cat’s electrons daily with new open freds.

    Top 20! *golf clap*.

  11. calli

    In other news, Trump is refusing to pay for the Sussex’es security now they’ve moved to the US.

    No worries. By the time Mzzz has finished with Harry under Cali divorce laws, he’ll be too broke to pay for a paddlepop.

  12. Struth

    But I’ll repeat myself; there was no panic buying it was buying directed by and on behalf of the Chinese communist party.

    So this is fact to you Nota, or just a theory?

    Not one Australian Chinese hoarded crap wrap for themselves?
    You have it on good Authority?

    I don’t mean to single you out Notafan, but you’re all over the place like a mad woman’s shit.

    We must seriously look at the effect the feminine mind has had on our nation regards virtue signalling and fear.
    It is all men’s fault for letting it happen, as I always say and I note men don’t like to confront female Hysteria, but our country is sick, and it’s mentally ill because women need security much more than they desire power.
    It’s a natural and beautiful thing about them, but in times of stress, men for millenia, being the warriors can think much clearer in a crisis, and I suggest that it is quite a reasonable position to take that had men been totally dominant in this situation, and were men as they were when I was young, we would be still free.

    It’s just a theory………………………………

  13. Ed Case

    This means getting tougher in testing people and enforcing quarantine. It means creating an army of helpers to protect the elderly – to keep them fed, tended and entertained at home – while preparations for mass production of a vaccine

    Andrew Bolt jumps the shark [again].

  14. mem

    Who is watching our water watchers? There is a water rat at work in Victoria and they seem to be draining our dams perhaps so that they can justify more fees to support the desal plant that isn’t needed but we still have to finance. Check out this graph and ask Daniel Andrews why it is that dam levels are being kept at 61%? Note that after above average rainfall in eastern catchments there are big spikes in inflow that almost immediately disappear. https://www.eldersweather.com.au/dam-level/vic

  15. Anne

    I’ve been thinking.

    It seems there are three types of people.

    1. Those who run the gauntlet for toilet paper.

    2. Those who think those people are idiots.

    3. Those who worry about how that could happen.

  16. Robber Baron

    I saw two middle-aged Ch-in-ks in my local Greek Deli-Grocery store lurking about and spending lots of time at the toilet paper section chatting away in Mandarin. They didn’t buy anything, just had a good look around. Everyone in the store watched them. Then they got into their porsche and drove off.

    Weird things are going on. Or this has been happening for a long time, but we are only now just noticing them.

    No tinned tomatoes. But most of everything I buy is there.

  17. twostix

    Professor Neil Ferguson was one of those largely responsible for the original panic. He or others from Imperial college have twice revised his terrifying prophecy, first to fewer than 20,000 and then on Friday to 5,700.

    Is this real??

  18. Struth

    Can somebody ask Slo Mo and Palaschook if I’m allowed to cross lace or straight lace me boots?

    Look at the States, you can feel they are about to burst free.
    We are nowhere near it.
    It’s getting worse.
    We’re in deep shit.
    Sco mo is a puppet to our swamp.
    Swamp puppet Sco Mo

  19. twostix

    From 500,000 to 5700.

    This was all predicted by the way.

    You only had to do a cursory brush up on the timeline of Swine Flu.

    Exactly the same panic-mongers making exactly the same hysterical claims of “million and millions dead” armageddon, same calls to “shut it all down”.

    These are modern day snake oil salesmen. Except instead of being limited to ginning up panic and hysteria town by town, they’re able to ruin entire nations now.

  20. Struth

    I’ve been thinking.

    We know that.

  21. Caveman

    New thread ,keeping ahead of the curve.

  22. custard

    Top 30!

    Day one of no job.

  23. Anne

    Trump is extending the Social Distancing requirement up to April 30th. Is taking down the DeepState harder than expected?

    Appear weak when you are strong. -Sun Tzu

    Trump just said, again channeling Sun Tzu, “When we respond it will be with astonishing force and speed”.

    This is fun.

  24. custard

    Trumps daily Whu Flu press conference’s are the best TV that you’ll see all day. On almost every occasion he correctly slaps down bigly one or more members of the fake news media.

  25. JC

    Pk

    That density theory falls on its head when you take Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and Holland into account. Holland, because it’s one of the most densely populated countries on earth.

  26. Lilliana

    Robber Baron
    #3383954, posted on March 30, 2020 at 9:49 am

    I saw two middle-aged Ch-in-ks in my local Greek Deli-Grocery store lurking about and spending lots of time at the toilet paper section chatting away in Mandarin. They didn’t buy anything, just had a good look around.

    Saw this at Coles and at Woolies. In one case the chap ended up sitting in the shelves (disgusting in it’s own right) chatting on his mobile. Must be the forward scouts.

  27. Struth

    It seems like the facts are gathering.
    The virus only kills like the common flu.
    The vaccine being trialed in the States, especially New York Trials is working wonderfully.
    The socialists in charge of departments and the bureaucratic swamps of nations, and the socialist MSM have lied and created panic and Hysteria and with trump virtually announcing the end of the bullshit, while what is happening here?
    Increased crackdown on the population.

  28. twostix

    Every political entity retains the DNA that created it.

    The states are returning to their colonial attitudes. There is nothing that they can’t do.

    It was only federation and the power of the commonwealth government acting as an overseer to the states that has made them behave like state governments limited by weird things like the rule of law and rights.

    In the absence of a commonwealth juiced up on the will of the people keeping a stern eye on things, the states are returning to their natural state of colonial authoritarianism.

    We’re going to have to do something fundamental about all of this when this is over.

    A Bill of Rights, first.

  29. Robber Baron

    Just received my ATO income tax instalment notice.

    No reduction.

    Jeez, I thought ScoMo and Josh were my buddies.

  30. pete m

    Johanna, meant to relay advice to you about getting toilet paper.

    Coles has a large stash out back for oldies and infirm. You just ask 1 of their staff and they will get you 1.

  31. Farmer Gez

    Mauna Loa CO2 reading are up 4ppm (28/3) from this time last year despite the dramatic drop in economic activity brought about by C-19.

    No indication at all in the data that man made CO2 is detectable as a variable input.

    Theory fail Big Time.

  32. Hay Stockard

    Remember not to panic and make really piss poor decisions whilst the sky is falling. That’s the Government’s job.

  33. Struth

    We’re going to have to do something fundamental about all of this when this is over.

    Could be dead by then, from old age, not the flu.

  34. shatterzzz

    Why has both the media and the gummint adopted this group think idea that everyone over 65 is frail and/or suffering from some sort of debilitating illness?
    It may surprise Scottie from Marketing to learn that not all over 65s are at death’s door. I’m 72, normally, swim 3 x1kms a week and bike ride an average of 300kms a week and all this because of getting over not 1 but 2 bouts of Cancer and having been at death’s door twice and didn’t enjoy it!
    I’m not into some draconian training regime just regular routine (now disrupted), swimming/bike riding even eating normal .. I don’t run, jog, do press-ups, push-ups or any gym associated keep fit .. I do, occasionally, walk but no timetable for it!
    Yet , here am I being inundated by instructions from others who from their, televised/photo op, appearances look like could do with a bit of my normal routine!

  35. Rex Mango

    Farmer Gez, that is a very good point. If the massive economic slowdown & consequent reduction in CO2 output doesn’t show any results at Mauna Loa, then all bets are off.

  36. twostix

    The mrs, who is admirably untuned to anything news or political related, came home from the shops and was astounded at the “big groups” of “young chinese” walking around the shopping centre.

  37. Struth

    Why has both the media and the gummint adopted this group think idea that everyone over 65 is frail and/or suffering from some sort of debilitating illness?

    Collectivist groupthink.

    Socialists.

  38. cohenite

    was astounded at the “big groups” of “young chinese” walking around the shopping centre.

    Yep; and they’ll be spitting and pissing in corners to mark out their new conquered territory.

    A couple of weeks and there’ll be wet markets with live bat soup and koala bear dim sims for sale. Lock up your dogs and cats.

  39. Mauna Loa CO2 reading are up 4ppm (28/3) from this time last year despite the dramatic drop in economic activity brought about by C-19.

    If the demonization of CO2 ends, soon, the woofloo may be an economic boost.

  40. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    was astounded at the “big groups” of “young chinese” walking around the shopping centre.

    Yep; and they’ll be spitting and pissing in corners to mark out their new conquered territory.

    A couple of weeks and there’ll be wet markets with live bat soup and koala bear dim sims for sale. Lock up your dogs and cats.

    cue white knight numbers to defend his communist soulmates… 3…2…

  41. Old School Conservative

    Andrew Bolt jumps the shark [again].

    Yes, but to his credit he is arguing for a full return to work in two weeks.

  42. Roger

    I note the PM has labelled the “no more than two rule” as advice, no doubt because he’s been advised there is no statutory legal basis to restrict freedom of association in the general community…yet. Mind you, freedom of association is not enshrined in Australian law either.

    In the meantime, those fined “on the spot” by over zealous police would do well to challenge the legality of such fines in court. What are their chances of finding a SJW Labor lawyer represent them pro bono, though? Next to none, I’d wager. Funny that.

  43. Dr Faustus

    Mauna Loa CO2 reading are up 4ppm (28/3) from this time last year despite the dramatic drop in economic activity brought about by C-19.

    Watching this data set.
    If this present trend continues, expect ‘correction’ for hitherto unrecognised technical measurement and data processing errors.

  44. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    In other news, Trump is refusing to pay for the Sussex’es security now they’ve moved to the US.

    No worries. By the time Mzzz has finished with Harry under Cali divorce laws, he’ll be too broke to pay for a paddlepop.

    harry is in for a world of pain

  45. Boambee John

    Why has both the media and the gummint adopted this group think idea that everyone over 65 is frail and/or suffering from some sort of debilitating illness?

    That’s what’s produced in the average socialist “paradise”, they are just trying to “get with the program”.

  46. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Yeah, that Zoom app you’re trusting with work chatter? It lives with ‘vampires feeding on the blood of human data’Doc Searls, co-author of the influential internet marketing book The Cluetrain Manifesto last century, today warned [cached] Zoom not only has the right to extract data from its users and their meetings, it can work with Google and other ad networks to turn this personal information into targeted ads that follow them across the web.

    This personal info includes, and is not limited to, names, addresses and any other identifying data, job titles and employers, Facebook profiles, and device specifications. Crucially, it also includes “the content contained in cloud recordings, and instant messages, files, whiteboards … shared while using the service.”

  47. candy

    Australia’s death toll crept up very slowly and still minimal and never looked at all as frightening as Italy did. Most cases due to the borders not being properly closed with planes and ships coming in willy nilly with no quarantining protocols until late in the day.

    I tend to think PM Morrison is wondering how to back track on all the huge financial promises.
    Frydenberg is just carried away with his importance and wants to be loved and throwing money everywhere. Dan Andrews would like to wear some kind of uniform and officially call the party the Socialist Labor Party – not far off. Bunch of communists down that way.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good morning. Awaiting our Woollies delivery. They have been very efficient so far.
    This will be the final test; can they deliver?

  49. calli

    In other words, they’re listening in on private business meetings.

    Gee, I’m surprised.

  50. Dr Faustus

    No worries. By the time Mzzz has finished with Harry under Cali divorce laws, he’ll be too broke to pay for a paddlepop.

    Unless the Palace has dropped the ball, Hazza will be healthily socially distanced from the Royal fortunes. By all accounts his personal wealth is tweety by California Celebrity Divorce standards.

    The child is the dinner money.

  51. Sean

    Why has both the media and the gummint adopted this group think idea that everyone over 65 is frail and/or suffering from some sort of debilitating illness?

    Italy stats
    Almost a 20% death rate for over 70’s.
    *note: i suspect they are only testing those who end up quite sick

  52. candy

    harry is in for a world of pain

    He’s like a circus freak now. I reckon she’s got another man on the horizon.

  53. Sean

    Australia’s death toll crept up very slowly and still minimal and never looked at all as frightening as Italy did. Most cases due to the borders not being properly closed with planes and ships coming in willy nilly with no quarantining protocols until late in the day.

    ICUs have been overrun in Italy so some people are left to die if they can’t get a ventilator. We shouldn’t see the same in Aus if we can get our ICU shit together in time. Italy also got a whole batch of faulty test kits and didn’t contain the virus, hopefully in Australia we have gotten ahead slightly before it reached all nursing homes.

    …imagine what could happen when this hits the 3rd world!

  54. Cardimona

    Emissions from 27/01 vs 30/3 – Lunar New Year slowdown vs the Wooflu era…

    CO – https://imgur.com/a/YScwFWF
    Industrial activity still down…

    NO2 – https://imgur.com/a/s4A7ceD
    Fertiliser production still down. Knock on effect on global food production?

    SO2 – https://imgur.com/a/tqKVC3Z
    Consumption of high-sulphur coal and diesel still down.

  55. Cardimona

    Aerosols – https://imgur.com/a/Yhszhwx
    Down…

    PM2.5 – https://imgur.com/a/3D81aHu
    Way up. Remember all those funeral urns? Mass cremations?

    Fires – https://imgur.com/a/EoPP01u
    These explain SE Asia’s CO.

  56. mh

    The first official case of COVID-19 in Australia was Jan 24. We are now Mar 30, and it’s only this weekend that the government has appeared serious about securing our borders, and even those tougher measures were flouted by doctors returning. There are currently only 23 serious/critical COVID-19 cases in Australia.
    What this shows is that the coronavirus is far less deadly in Australia than other countries.
    The previous advice from our CMO or Deputy CMO that Australia would do well to come out of this with less than 50,000 deaths was an absurd statement.

  57. twostix

    Dan Andrews would like to wear some kind of uniform and officially call the party the Socialist Labor Party – not far off. Bunch of communists down that way.

    The feds are in a weird place where in order to look like Scomo is In Charge, they have to deliver the most extreme ideas of all of the states as if they are their own.

    Victoria knows this. So it can announce Gulags for 90 year olds and Scomo has to dutifully front up and announce “Today I’m announcing Gulags for 90 year olds”.

    Victoria, or whoever has the most extreme policy is running the Feds via the “National Cabinet” now.

    NSW played the game early on, but have largely chickened out now. They realised their partner in Victoria wasn’t cynically gaming the system like they were, it was really just this punitive and vicious as a matter of course.

  58. Cardimona

    Beijing and Wuhan traffic congestion from Tomtom – https://imgur.com/a/byxXf9Y

    Looking sick…

  59. Farmer Gez

    I’m not celebrating the Mauna Loa data set just yet as a lag could be involved and if man made CO2 doesn’t have a signature or a very noticeable one, then what the hell is going on?

    More questions than answers, which is the normal course of science, rather than blind adherence to one theory.

  60. JohnJJJ

    Ubasute, anyone?
    Interesting how the C virus confirms that old people are now a burden. An amazing change from regarding the old as having wisdom and experience, as was the culture of previous generations and certainly most of the countries I have worked.
    Respect has quickly flipped to annoyance.
    You could see it coming with the IT ‘revolution’. My dear old father-in-law had to read and understand every single word on the website before he click anything. As a person commented to me ” we are destroying the economy just to keep a few grannies alive”. I guess post modernism, where history/reality is just opinion, prepared the way.
    I wonder where this will end.
    Possibly a Messiah.

  61. C.L.

    …imagine what could happen when this hits the 3rd world!

    Well, Wuhan is the second and three-quarters world.
    Don’t believe any Potemkin’s bullshit that it isn’t.
    Italy was no longer a first world country either. They scoffed at sovereignty, gave up being interested in law and order, allowed in hundreds of thousands of African invaders and Chinese guest workers and – just generally – allowed their nation to become a ramshackle goat rodeo.

  62. Turnip

    Local cafe was doing adequate business when restricted to Take aways.

    New rules about packs of 2 ppl have them confused and they were sick of being abused by the local little h!tlers when people stayed on the footpath to drink their coffee that they have shut completely so not to take the risk. Bye bye staff.

  63. Flyingduk

    Trump Admin Names Gun Makers, Retailers Essential Businesses Nationwide

    Yet WA Pol have ordered gunshops closed.

  64. cohenite

    Has anyone got a chunk virus site for Australia showing all the graphs. Not the official health ones but there was a great one based on the official stats but which had much better charts and graphs.

  65. mh

    Lessons:

    1. The much lauded NHS is not a model any first world country should follow. They are already totally overwhelmed.

    2. The government have shown they have no interest in securing Australia’s borders.

    3. The Feds will bend over for China

  66. Tom

    Robber Baron:

    I saw two middle-aged Ch-in-ks in my local Greek Deli-Grocery store lurking about and spending lots of time at the toilet paper section chatting away in Mandarin. They didn’t buy anything, just had a good look around.

    Lilliana:

    Saw this at Coles and at Woolies. In one case the chap ended up sitting in the shelves (disgusting in it’s own right) chatting on his mobile. Must be the forward scouts.

    For journalists, this has the makings of the story of the century: Chinese organised crime (with the tacit or explicit support of the Chiuese Communnist Party) invades a foreign country and starts stripping supermarket shelves of supplies in high demand after the success of their baby formula racket.

    But you won’t read a word about in an Australian newspaper because the leftism that 90% of Australian journalists are sworn to have made them utterly incurious. The left’s standard shutup buttons (racist! sexist! homophobe!), to which every Australian journo genuflects, have also had the effect of making journalism utterly useless as a protector of the public interest.
    Worse than useless. Australian journalism has become the frontline of the language fascism/political correctness movement, which tries to intimidate the common man from saying what he really feels lest he be targeted with the left’s shutup buttons.
    Try to imagine the poison that has been unleashed inside Australian newsrooms in the past two decades, where journalists can no longer discuss stories or story ideas without self-censorship to avoid breaking the new language rules – and rule-breakers are dobbed on.
    I like to think one of Australia’s few remaining real journalists like the Melbourne Herald Sun‘s Andrew Rule will do an award-winning exposé of the supermarket locusts, but I am dreaming.

  67. Sean

    Italy was no longer a first world country either. They scoffed at sovereignty, gave up being interested

    I can’t reconcile how could Italy have both a manifestly terrible health system but the 2nd oldest population in the world?

    They, like Spain, have seen the virus hit the elderly way harder than most of the world (so far) which is why I think they have such a high CFR.

  68. cohenite

    The Feds will bend over for China

    Bend over ?! They’ll do a triple somersault with twists, pikes and bare arse.

  69. imagine what could happen when this hits the 3rd world!

    Like NT, SA, VIK or TAS.
    No stopping it.

    PS I have noticed an upsurge in almost reasonable trolls pushing the theme of “things would be so much worse, without the benevolent actions of our glorious leader Dan of the Dead”

  70. flyingduk

    As a person commented to me ” we are destroying the economy just to keep a few grannies alive”

    As Crowder would say…’change my mind’

  71. Anne

    @Quillnlink1776

    Virginia 2A:

    Large retailer staff reported the state processed 20,000 gun sales checks PER HOUR last Saturday for sales across the state.

    20,000 PER HOUR. In only one state.

    John Howard. 😡 Sneaky little hobbit.

  72. Ed Case

    Its actually quite conservative under such conditions.

    yeah, if there is a fair risk of an epidemic then Scotty has done everything right.

  73. Roger

    I can’t reconcile how could Italy have both a manifestly terrible health system but the 2nd oldest population in the world?

    Diet.

  74. Time to kick the ICD* into gear.

    It seems like the facts are gathering.
    The virus only kills like the common flu.

    The virus is not the same as the common flu.
    “COVID-19, the illness caused by coronavirus, proves deadly in around 3.5 percent of confirmed cases. While this is not the same as its mortality rate, given many people may be infected but not realise it, it is significantly higher than seasonal flu, which typically kills 0.1 percent of patients.”
    Source – https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common

    The vaccine being trialled in the States, especially New York Trials, is working wonderfully.

    The vaccine trials that are furtherest down the track are in progress at the Peter Doherty Institute at the University of Melbourne, and at the Kaiser Permanente research facility in Seattle, Washington.
    “These trials will assess whether the vaccine is safe and evokes an immune response. However, NIAID Director Anthony S Fauci highlighted that before a vaccine can be approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), two additional trial phases would be required, meaning an actual vaccine would still be 12–18 months away.”
    Source – RACGP -https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/coronavirus-progress-breakthrough-research-first-h

    The socialists in charge of departments and the bureaucratic swamps of nations, and the socialist MSM have lied and created panic and Hysteria and with trump virtually announcing the end of the bullshit, while what is happening here?

    Only a lunatic would group the medical bureaucracy and the MSM together and brand them “Socialist”. Dr Anthony Fauci works for Trump.

    Increased crackdown on the population

    Which, in case you haven’t noticed is happening worldwide, irrespective of the political views of the governments concerned.

    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

  75. lotocoti

    harry is in for a world of pain

    On the other hand, has a single ranga succumbed to Pangolin AIDS?
    .
    .
    Didn’t think so.

  76. egg_

    Greg Hunt has hit out at reports of Australians who have “betrayed” isolation restrictions and left their homes for non-essential reasons, warning authorities will “come down on them like a ton of bricks”.

    The Berkshire Hunt was a self-declared Warmie under Abbott, non?
    Rabz him.

  77. JC

    I tried to check the stock price for Smith&Wesson, but I couldn’t find it. It’s changed its name to :

    American Outdoor Brands

    Lol

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AOBC?p=AOBC&.tsrc=fin-srch

  78. EvilElvis

    It may surprise Scottie from Marketing to learn that not all over 65s are at death’s door. I’m 72, normally, swim 3 x1kms a week and bike ride an average of 300kms a week and all this because of getting over not 1 but 2 bouts of Cancer and having been at death’s door twice and didn’t enjoy it!

    You’ve answered your own question. People over 65, in general, are more susceptible to other ailments which apparently the corona virus loves.

  79. Good morning all.
    This shitshow reminds me of this.

  80. egg_

    Three things have to be done:
    1. Admit the mistakes made- too slow to close borders, not protecting equipment supplies.
    2. Begin randomised community testing to find out how close we are to herd immunity.
    3. Put the nation back to work, first to manufacture what we need for the crisis, then to rejig restaurants and businesses for the post virus economy, while isolating vulnerable groups.

    Far too pragmatic for the policy level stuffed shirts we’re dealing with.
    It probably is an example of (detailed) programmatic specificity.

  81. candy

    They realised their partner in Victoria wasn’t cynically gaming the system like they were, it was really just this punitive and vicious as a matter of course.

    I think Gladys B took a closer look at Dan Andrews the man and thought his brand of hardline socialism / weirdness may not be good for her.

  82. Ed Case

    I can’t reconcile how could Italy have both a manifestly terrible health system but the 2nd oldest population in the world?

    Diet.

    Where’s this idea that Lombardy has a terrible public health system coming from?
    I’ve been reading that it’s got one of the best in the world, but that it’s also got the worst air pollution in Europe, meaning COPD.
    The average age of the dead is 80 90% are over 70, and 10% over 90.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t reconcile how could Italy have both a manifestly terrible health system but the 2nd oldest population in the world?

    They invented the Mediterranean diet.

  84. Archivist

    Australia’s dentists have been shut down, but thankfully abortion clinics are allowed to keep running.

  85. Archivist

    Where’s this idea that Lombardy has a terrible public health system coming from?

    CCP propaganda. It’s just not true.

  86. egg_

    harry is in for a world of pain

    He’s like a circus freak now. I reckon she’s got another man on the horizon.

    Periscope always at the ready IMO.

  87. The better you do it, the sooner this nightmare will end.
    We are extending our advice until the end of April.

    Trump quoted a few hours ago about social distancing.
    Isn’t Easter Sunday 12th April?
    He must be part of the GREAT CONSPIRACY.

  88. egg_

    Can Meg suck a bowling ball through a straw?

  89. Roger

    I think Gladys B took a closer look at Dan Andrews the man and thought his brand of hardline socialism / weirdness may not be good for her.

    Uh huh.

    She’s just ordered NSW police to enforce Scotty’s “no more than two” advice and threatened 6 months jail to offenders.

  90. JC

    Bruce

    I think all med countries had a hand with the med diet. Also, the northern Italian diet appears to be stodgier than down south and resembles more of a middle European diet.

    Facts please, not just rough guesses. 🙂

  91. flyingduk

    Australia’s dentists have been shut down, but thankfully abortion clinics are allowed to keep running

    Yes, piece from the US suggested closure of abortion clinics might make this the first pandemic to save lives.

  92. Top Ender

    Only arrested on the fourth time….either go hard or go home!

    Man in court for breaching quarantine 3 times

    A man who breached self-quarantine requirements on three separate occasions after returning from Jordan will face court today, police say.

    The 30-year-old man arrived at Sydney International Airport on 18 March and was advised he needed to self-isolate for two weeks.

    Police arrested the man at Edensor Park on 20 March but he was released on bail and on the condition that he self isolate.

    The man was then stopped by police on 28 March at 10pm on Pitt St in Sydney’s CBD and then again at 1.20am in Pagewood in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

    He was issued with a $1000 fine.

    He was arrested and later charged for breach of bail and non-compliance with a ministerial direction.

    Yesterday the man was moved to a serviced apartment in Camperdown where he again attempted to leave, police say.

    Police arrested him and charged him with not comply with Public Health Order under the Public Health Act 2010 (NSW).

    He was refused bail and will appear in Central Local Court today.

    Oz

  93. egg_

    She’s just ordered NSW police to enforce Scotty’s “no more than two” advice and threatened 6 months jail to offenders.

    Sounds like they’re not wasting the opportunity to practice for a real pandemic.
    SBS had a (BBC Channel 4?) program last night on that very subject, with the pretty young lady Doc host being patient zero, (s)natch.

  94. min

    End of winter in Spain and Italy although I did see trees in blossom down South of Italy on the news. NASA is expecting more extreme cold as there has been record lows in Greenland, Sweden and
    Vladivostok.
    When winter hits here they are expecting numbers to go up . The problem here as in other countries, we were short on ICU s , ventilators , clothing.

  95. Nob

    I don’t know how this is reflected in the stats but I know from personal experience of twenty years doing business there that young Italians are departing in droves due to lack of work opportunities.

  96. Nob

    And their birthrate is one of the lowest in the world.

  97. A French army under General Odet de Foix Lautrec finally arrived [in Italy] in 1528, …. Plague took Lautrec’s life and decimated the French army

    Did someone activate ye auld Italian defences?

  98. JC

    Nob

    You’re an international man of mystery. You appear to have been everywhere there’s an airport in the world.

  99. JC

    I don’t know how this is reflected in the stats but I know from personal experience of twenty years doing business there that young Italians are departing in droves due to lack of work opportunities.

    My stupid cousin hired a couple at the family business and are permanent residents. They’re decent workers and also quite smart from the sounds of things.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    No blame game, cries the Spud.
    I wonder.
    Imagine this parallel universe.
    The virus is tracked to several little towns in the Ozarks.
    Stories emerge of toothless, banjo-plucking hillbillies feeding the innards of wild pigs to their chickens and then eating the chickens raw … beaks, feathers, innards … the lot.
    Stories are accompanied by pictures of said hillbillies wearing MAGA caps and “Lock Her Up” t-shirts holding their locked and loaded AK-15s.
    Would Spud resist the urge to go full blame-game then?

  101. Top Ender

    Yah boo sucks Southerners!

    Chief Minister Michael Gunner says police in the Northern Territory will not be enforcing the new two-person limit for gatherings in public areas at this stage.

  102. woolfe

    If you are gonna look at traffic probably best to look at rush hour not the weekend. Tom Tom Beijing traffic only 10% down from average 2019 data at same time.

  103. Boambee John

    The virus only kills like the common flu.

    The virus is not the same as the common flu.

    The ICD (apparently essential for seagulls, which crap everywhere indiscriminately) couldn’t detect the subtle difference between “kills like” and “same as”.

    That PhD is going to be a confusing read, should anyone but the author and the examiner attempt it.

  104. Nob

    JC
    #3384080, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:23 am
    Nob

    You’re an international man of mystery. You appear to have been everywhere there’s an airport in the world.

    Right now I’m in UK and not going anywhere now.

    My beat is anywhere there is directional drilling in the eastern hemisphere, minus Middle East and Caspian. But I used to work there too.

    Company HQ is in Houston and engineering office in SoCal, so I visit those occasionally.

    The work in Italy is mainly in mountains of Basilicata , some offshore off Ravenna and Pescara, some in Sicily, but the agent works out of his home in Lombardy and we go to see clients together now and then.

    Or we used to.

  105. Top Ender

    Not that we watch the news on TV but this one didn’t seem to be around yesterday…

    Sydney charged over alleged collar bomb threat in North Parramatta

    DEBORAH CORNWALL
    JOURNALIST
    6:28PM MARCH 29, 2020

    A 50-year-old man who allegedly claimed to be wearing a collar bomb brought a suburb in Sydney’s west to a standstill on Sunday after he parked his car in the middle of a main road and threatened police he had an explosive device.

    The NSW Police bomb disposal unit, tactical operations police and negotiators were immediately called in to block traffic on Windsor Road and the James Ruse overpass in North Parramatta at about 5am.

    A bomb detection robot was sent in before the man surrendered and was arrested.

    NSW Police said an initial examination of the device around the man’s neck indicated it was not an explosive.

    The man has been charged with conveying false information that a person or property is in danger and will appear before Parramatta Local Court on Monday.

    The first fake collar bomb threat in Australia was nine years ago, in August 2011, when a masked man broke in to a Mosman home on Sydney’s north shore and bolted a device around the neck of teenager Maddie Pulver.

    He left a cryptic warning note: “ACT NOW, THINK LATER” or the bomb would go off.

    It would take another 10 hours before specialist police and bomb disposal experts were able to confirm the device contained mechanical and electrical components, but said there were no explosives in the black box.

    Ms Pulver’s ordeal made headlines around the captured the world as police agonised over the risk of cutting the device from her neck after conceding they still could not be absolutely certain it would not trigger an explosion.

    Oz

  106. bespoke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3384084, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:28 am
    Would Spud resist the urge to go full blame-game then?

    He hasn’t though. Just more do as I say not what I do.

  107. JC

    Nob

    I suspected you’re in the mining/oil&gas game. Those dudes are always in a plane. There’s oil&gas around Italian waters? Okay, didn’t know that.

  108. mh

    The lack of community transmission has nothing to do with social distancing and shutdowns which only came in last week.
    COVID-19 turns out not to be the deadly killer here in Australia. That’s great news. The government noted this, and realised it had to move quickly to ensure it took control of every aspect of Australians lives. That’s the endgame.

  109. stackja

    117 Cats in one place, watch out for police dogs.

  110. JC

    Hey Stack.

    Two, not freaking four. Two!

  111. custard

    #TheirABC’s resident doctor to be tested for the WhuFlu….

  112. thefrollickingmole

    Black Ball

    Cant blame him, his hot flushes and ovulating at the same time set him off.

  113. JC

    Then there’s Dr. Norman Swan.

  114. JC

    Wayne or Norman. Take your pick.

  115. calli

    Woolfe, it almost looks as if there’s some type of curfew in force.

  116. Bruce

    @PK:

    “Why are we being unwillingly forced to adopt the high density model by our gormless leadership. In the wide brown land of all places? ”

    It makes systematic “cordon and search” MUCH easier.

    Remember old Ronnie Reagan’s comment:

    “The nine scariest words in the English Language are; ‘ I’m from the Government and I’m here to help'”.

    Our very own Tin-Tin swiped and mangled that one.

    Take note of the later Napoleon’s “urban renewal” in Paris; demolishing “slums” and and widening and straightening “boulevards..

    Narrow crooked streets make “urban warfare” very untidy. If you can channel the “rioters” into the wider dead-straight boulevards, they can be better dealt with by artillery firing grapeshot and canister.

  117. woolfe

    Yea Calli on the weekends it does. Shanghai traffic up 5% on average, again maybe curfew on weekend as well?

  118. calli

    Sorry, you need to link to the seven day stats in the TomTom page to see what I’m talking about.

  119. johanna

    pete m – thanks for tip re getting TP at Coles! Appreciated.

  120. calli

    Again with Shanghai, look at the seven day graph. They’re going to work and staying there, then going home.

  121. calli

    Also with Shanghai, it’s a turn-about system with the numberplates, one day on, one off. Maybe all who can have been told to get to work?

  122. calli

    But if you’re looking at traffic, the real zinger is Wuhan.

    Nothing.

  123. Anne

    Globalist controlled MSM showing photos of Coronavirus Hospital Wards in New York and Italy.

    It’s the same photo.

    “Welcome to the Truman Show”.

    H/T @Jimcorrsays

  124. stackja

    Dr Justin Coulson delivers the answers your family needs to get through COVID-19

    News Corp Australia Network

    Australian families are under unprecedented pressure on every front as the coronavirus crisis spirals.

    But while our instincts are to focus on our children, Dr Justin Coulson says it’s important to manage our own anxiety first, so we can help them through.

  125. vr

    The latest sign the economic downturn is intensifying: White-collar workers are being laid off now

  126. Nob

    JC
    #3384103, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:38 am
    Nob

    I suspected you’re in the mining/oil&gas game. Those dudes are always in a plane. There’s oil&gas around Italian waters?

    In the Adriatic yes.

    Val d’Agri in Basilicata is the biggest onshore oil field in Western Europe (but that’s not saying a lot) but even most Italians are surprised to hear that.

    Anyway, they suspended drilling the last well on 13th March until this shit blows over so there’s fuckall happening there right now.

  127. woolfe

    I do look at 7 day graphs, this is where i get information from, not 48 hours. Fluhan of course its down. They have welded up all the doors.

  128. Infidel Tiger

    I can’t reconcile how could Italy have both a manifestly terrible health system but the 2nd oldest population in the world?

    Longevity has no relationship with health system.

  129. Top Ender

    Returnee quarantine rollout ‘disorganised’

    Australians returning from overseas have been kept waiting on the tarmac and on buses for hours with little to no communication from officials in what’s being described as a “disorganised” rollout of new quarantine measures to stop the spread of coronavirus.

    Paul Strasser, 22, landed in Sydney from Los Angeles at 7.45am on Sunday on one of the first flights of returning Australians who now have to spend 14 days quarantining in hotels.

    Mr Strasser had been in San Francisco for a month before deciding to return home on one of Virgin Australia’s last flights.

    His flight was kept on the tarmac for an hour while temperature screening systems were set up, shuffled slowly through the airport surrounded by defence force personnel and police, and later crammed onto buses that barely allowed for the 1.5m social distancing rules to be adhered to.

    He told The Australian that he and fellow sleep-deprived, hungry travellers were kept on a bus in Sydney for almost four hours as they awaited instructions about which hotel they were being sent to. “We were all confused as we weren’t getting any proper communication from anyone,” Mr Strasser said. “It felt a bit disorganised. There was a young couple with a baby on my bus who were clearly distressed about the lack of information, but we tried to keep spirits up by talking and asking each other for Netflix recommendations.”

    When they finally arrived at the Ibis hotel at Darling Harbour, they were asked by police and hotel staff to separate into singles and families and then prompted to check in. Mr Strasser said there were police officers in the lobby and another officer directing people to their rooms on his level.

    Another Australian who returned from the US overnight expressed gratitude for the medical attention overseas travellers are receiving as they land in Australia, urging others quarantined in hotels to “suck it up” and do their bit to stop the spread of coronavirus.

    In a post in the “Australian in NYC” Facebook group, Denver-based former ABC journalist Marty McCarthy told other returning travellers to “expect to be swamped by doctors and nurses”.

    “They will check your temperature before you even get to the customs gates,” said Mr McCarthy, who recently landed in Sydney.

    “I sailed through security and customs at Denver and San Francisco airports without even spotting any medical professionals, let alone being asked about my health, but it was a complete different story when I landed in Australia — doctors and nurses everywhere. Sydney Airport took it very seriously, especially if you’re returning from the US.”

    Mr McCarthy said he had been quarantined in Sydney as his first port of call in Australia, rather than his final destination of Adelaide. He said the quarantine hotel was “a bit of a shambles still” because the measures had been introduced so suddenly, but praised hotel staff for “doing a good job”. “The hotel is basically just being run by nurses now,” Mr McCarthy said.

    Oz print edition

  130. calli

    Woolfe, NYC is the same. Sans welding. London is showing more bumps of disobedience.

  131. JC

    Longevity has no relationship with health system.

    Artie, please stop saying that. It does. Assume there was absolutely no health system to speak of. No hospitals, no docs to speak of.

    Where’s The Central African Republic on the longevity table? Last!

    What’s the lifespan? 52.8.

    If Catallaxy was based in The CAR, 99% of the commenters wouldn’t be here. They would have gone 30 years ago…. and no ocean cruises would be discussed.

  132. mh

    The bureaucrats controlling Morrison see free enterprise as the enemy.

  133. I had a great-uncle who met his first doctor when he signed up for WW2.
    He went to see another doctor when he was 77 because he was feeling sick.
    He died 2 weeks later.
    There you have it. His complete medical history.

  134. egg_

    But if you’re looking at traffic, the real zinger is Wuhan.

    Nothing.

    Probably still in lockdown, especially if it’s ground zero and the virus got a good run from June till November 2019 and especially if it hits Asians harder via the ACE2 protein.

  135. twostix

    The bureaucrats controlling Morrison see free enterprise as the enemy.

    They’re the same class of people who a few minutes ago were extolling the Chinese model as being able to “get things done” re public policy.

  136. JC

    and no ocean cruises would be discussed.

    A definite plus.

  137. JC

    Rambler.

    Outliers are what pad the stats.

  138. egg_

    White-collar workers are being laid off now

    Not much work getting done from home?
    Bullsh1t jerbs?
    Quelle surprise.

  139. JC

    whoops… aren’t what pad…

  140. Outliers are what pad the stats.

    I come from a family and long line of outliers.
    Nowhere near the middle of a normal distribution curve.

  141. Anne

    “Welcome to the Truman Show”.

    It’s all a show. There is no Pandemic.

    It’s a global Military Operation to take down the Controllers.

    Stay out of the way.

    You are watching a ‘scripted’ movie.
    Q

  142. Longevity has no relationship with health system.

    Artie, please stop saying that. It does. Assume there was absolutely no health system to speak of. No hospitals, no docs to speak of.

    It does.
    Which is one of the reasons longevity is in decline in the US compared to other western countries.
    Cuba, a third world country, has a life expectancy of 79.1 (32nd worldwide).
    The USA, a first world country has a life expectancy of 77.8 (38th worldwide).
    Socialised medicine has its advantages.
    Even semi-socialised medicine works. Oz averages 82.8 – (4th worldwide, and streets ahead of the USA).

  143. Struth

    NSW acts do not give the state the right to do what it is doing and what the police are booking people using.

    Here’s the strongest part of the recent amendments.

    It only speaks of closing down public facilities, not business and can do nothing to free people who are not from a noted virus source, like ships for example.

    Public health orders
    Public health orders are orders requiring a person with certain serious conditions, such as Ebola, MERS SARS or HIV, and who is posing a risk to public health, to be detained and/or treated or comply with certain other directions.

    From 1 April 2018 a public health order can be made in respect of a person who has been exposed to someone with a high risk disease (a “contact order condition”) and who poses a risk to public health. Contact order conditions are set out in a new Schedule 1A of the Act and include serious and highly infectious diseases, being MERS, SARS, avian influenza, typhoid or viral haemorrhagic fever (eg Ebola). Safeguards are:

    the maximum period of a contact public health order is the incubation period for the relevant condition
    an application must be made to the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT) to review the order within 3 working days of the order being made.
    A public health order can be made to require that person to provide details about other persons they have come into contact with.

    A public health order can be made to detain the person with a disease, or who has been exposed to a contact order condition, regardless of whether or not treatment can be given to the person.

    The Ministry must include in its annual report how many public health orders are made each year.

    For more information see Changes to the Public Health Act – Public health orders.

  144. egg_

    I come from a family and long line of outliers.

    I come from a family and long line of outriders.

  145. The bureaucrats controlling Morrison see free enterprise as the enemy.

    “Free enterprise” = buying up scarce resources during a pandemic, warehousing them, and selling them at inflated prices.
    The “market” is a wonderful thing…..

  146. JC

    Annie

    I excuse a great deal of what you say, because you’re an okay looker after seeing pics you put up one time, but this swill is even testing that level of patience and understanding. Get a fucking grip and stop this nonsense. Now!

  147. Confused Old Misfit

    Longevity has no relationship with health system.

    You really need to properly define “population” and “longevity”.
    There have been people in what we now call Italy for a very long time.
    Historically, the existence of a “health system” is a tiny proportion of that time. A little blip at the present end of the line.
    The longevity of a population in any geogrphical area has, I think, more to do with the opportunity for wealth creation than a health system. Although that may be an outgrowth from the institutions that of necessity grow with the creation of wealth.

  148. Cuba, a third world country, has a life expectancy of 79.1 (32nd worldwide).

    I am told that Cuba’s elevated position is due to “Cuban cigars and fine Cuban women.”

    Care to comment on that Beaugy?

  149. Top Ender

    Letter in the Oz today:

    In mid-February, The Lancet was predicting a fatality rate for COVID-19 of 0.01 per cent. Influenza’s annual fatality rate is 10 times higher at 0.1 per cent. Don’t get me wrong, this disease is serious, especially for the over-75s (I am 78). But I sometimes wonder why we didn’t lock down all people over the age of 60 for three months and allow the rest to try to push through.

    Paul Everingham, Hamilton, Qld

  150. JC

    Cuba, a third world country, has a life expectancy of 79.1 (32nd worldwide).

    Oh yes, because anything coming out of that shithole is 100% credible.

    Look, the Cuban ambulance system is technologically miles ahead of anything in the entire world.

  151. Anne

    Trump doesn’t make mistakes. Covfefe.

    So why did he just slip up and say “generators” instead of ventilators, twice?

  152. JC

    Cuban hospital wards appear to be a delight too.

    I’d stick Monster in there without a tinge of guilt too.

  153. egg_

    But I sometimes wonder why we didn’t lock down all…

    The CMOs and politicians.
    Italy’s secret to longevity?

  154. egg_

    I’d stick Monster in there without a tinge of guilt too.

    Thinning the herd.

  155. calli

    His flight was kept on the tarmac for an hour while temperature screening systems were set up, shuffled slowly through the airport surrounded by defence force personnel and police, and later crammed onto buses that barely allowed for the 1.5m social distancing rules to be adhered to.

    A moot point. He’s just been on a thirteen hour flight with these people.

  156. calli

    I come from a family and long line of outliers.

    I come from a family and long line of outriders.

    Hands up all the outriggers!

  157. Old School Conservative

    Aloha, calli.

  158. I come from a family and long line of outliers.

    Where women blow and men chunder

    I feel a song coming on.

  159. John64

    One really must give credit where it is due.

    Dear Leader Despot Dan has finally managed to sort out Yarragrad’s traffic congestion problems.

  160. calli

    Other kids had pushbikes and billycarts.

    My mum had her own outrigger.

  161. Struth

    Time to kick the ICD* into gear.

    It seems like the facts are gathering.
    The virus only kills like the common flu.

    The virus is not the same as the common flu.

    Never said it was, but by the way, which common flu are you talking about.
    Which one is common, you fuckstick?

    “COVID-19, the illness caused by coronavirus, proves deadly in around 3.5 percent of confirmed cases. While this is not the same as its mortality rate, given many people may be infected but not realise it, it is significantly higher than seasonal flu, which typically kills 0.1 percent of patients.

    Propaganda is obvious to those that can read, but as we see above, you cannot.

    Derr………….

    Source – https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common

    No, they have nothing in common, Numbers told us so.

    The vaccine being trialled in the States, especially New York Trials, is working wonderfully.

    The vaccine trials that are furtherest down the track are in progress at the Peter Doherty Institute at the University of Melbourne, and at the Kaiser Permanente research facility in Seattle, Washington.
    “These trials will assess whether the vaccine is safe and evokes an immune response. However, NIAID Director Anthony S Fauci highlighted that before a vaccine can be approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), two additional trial phases would be required, meaning an actual vaccine would still be 12–18 months away.”
    Source – RACGP -https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/coronavirus-progress-breakthrough-research-first-h

    scroll up as this is disputed as well, but your’re the fucking self proclaimed expert on the USA.

    The socialists in charge of departments and the bureaucratic swamps of nations, and the socialist MSM have lied and created panic and Hysteria and with trump virtually announcing the end of the bullshit, while what is happening here?

    Only a lunatic would group the medical bureaucracy and the MSM together and brand them “Socialist”. Dr Anthony Fauci works for Trump.

    Typical socialist twist.
    Dr Fauci is not the global swamp.
    The bureaucratic swamps of nationS (plural) is not one man.

    Increased crackdown on the population

    Which, in case you haven’t noticed is happening worldwide, irrespective of the political views of the governments concerned.

    *Inbuilt Crapfabrains

    Which as explained above, the swamps of socialist filth in bureacracies and the MSM have nothing to do with the political views of their governments.
    Unless they are socialist.

  162. cohenite

    COVID-19, the illness caused by coronavirus, proves deadly in around 3.5 percent of confirmed cases. While this is not the same as its mortality rate, given many people may be infected but not realise it, it is significantly higher than seasonal flu, which typically kills 0.1 percent of patients.”
    Source – https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common

    The disgusting troll who surely if there is any justice be on the verge of death any time now vomits the above.

    The mortality rate is not the same as the death rate; well fuck me and call me Daisy, figure that out.

    The death rate in Aussie right now is 16/4093 = 0.004%. The death/mortality rate from SARs was 10% and MERs 30%. Even the swine flu which was more contagious than the chunk virus had a higher death/mortality rate than the chunk.

    And Hydroxychloroquinine works folks; it works.

    The troll should be treated like the chunk virus.

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Where are the deaths?

    Or are they limited to suicides?

  164. Peter the old fossil

    It’s a global Military Operation to take down the Controllers.

    Shshshhhh, Anne. Any talk of a military operation is a “conspiracy theory”.
    The fact that the military takeover of Australia has now been completed with very few people even noticing, is neither here not there.

  165. Old School Conservative

    areff, any other issue other than “Get Pell” would see that TV show banned because the Pell decision is still “before the courts”.

  166. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Couple celebrate a traditional wedding in Melbourne surrounded by friends and family despite strict social gathering rules banning more than FIVE people at nuptials

    Footage showed the couple dancing with family and friends at the reception
    They broke social distancing policies telling people to stand at least 1.5m apart
    Victorians seen outside with more than one other person will be fined this week

    Daily Mail. There’s one word missing from the headline – anyone care to speculate what that word is?

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Australia’s first case was Jan 24th.

    Italy’s Jan 29th.

    No one here is dying. What’s going on?

  168. Struth

    Has anyone given their local rep a blast, demanding answers yet?
    Got a reply?

    I have.
    Early last week.
    In writing, which they are compelled to answer.
    No answer has been forthcoming………………he’s disappeared off the face of the earth.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Couple celebrate a traditional wedding in Melbourne surrounded by friends and family despite strict social gathering rules banning more than FIVE people at nuptials

    Footage showed the couple dancing with family and friends at the reception
    They broke social distancing policies telling people to stand at least 1.5m apart
    Victorians seen outside with more than one other person will be fined this week

    Good for them.

    Bad laws should be ignored.

  170. JC

    And Hydroxychloroquinine works folks; it works.

    We’ve known this for the past 2 weeks, so why are people still dying? Honest question, as I’m perplexed that if it’s so great, the death toll should be very zero now and it isn’t.

  171. Confused Old Misfit

    Has anyone given their local rep a blast, demanding answers yet?

    Sent a note to every SA parliamentarian, state and federal.
    Nothing but automated acknowledgement of reception.

  172. Confused Old Misfit

    Should have qualified that to say every SA parliamentarian who allegedly represents me.

  173. EvilElvis

    Has anyone given their local rep a blast, demanding answers yet?
    Got a reply?

    Local rep and senator.

    No response.

  174. mh

    Where are the deaths?

    A woman “in her eighties” died in Tasmania.

    Media won’t even give her age. Which means most likely 89.

  175. John Smith101

    JC
    #3384170, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:19 pm
    Annie
    I excuse a great deal of what you say, because you’re an okay looker after seeing pics you put up one time, but this swill is even testing that level of patience and understanding. Get a fucking grip and stop this nonsense. Now!

    Anne is the only person on this board who understands what is going on at the moment. I’ve lurked here almost daily for many years now, thinking I’m reading interesting stuff from some pretty smart people (except when you’re drunk) but there is hardly one of you seemingly capable of either expanding your thinking or even interested in exploring out side of your bubble, even though what you have been seeing or hearing doesn’t or hasn’t made any sense.

  176. Struth

    Daily Mail. There’s one word missing from the headline – anyone care to speculate what that word is?

    Good on them, maybe the Moooossies will show gutless, pussywhipped Aussies how to do things.

    When we decide to do it and we will, people will just start to ignore the government, and the place will be in chaos.

    And only the government an the bad guys will have the guns.
    Give ’em numbers address and tell them he’s hoarding gold.
    Couldn’t happen to a better anti self defense commo.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy and I have met Nob on our travels. He is a great guy and in the oil/gas business as he says.

    I come from a family and long line of outriders.

    My family clan in Louisiana come from a very self-sufficient French-Canadian Catholic Cajan heritage. They hunt. My cousin fed us sausages he made himself from deer and pig he shot himself. They have Bayou recipes with a French touch handed down the generations, including many Bayou swamp dishes; Crawfish and Aligator featured for us. Their speech is a drawl littered with bowdlerised French and Creole words. Parrain is the word for uncle. Paw Paw is grandfather. Maw Maw is grandmother. Gun is pronounced gern and car is pronounced caw. They love their gerns.

    Meanwhile, back at home, Woollies delivered on time and with a ten minute text warning for ‘contactless delivery’. For something to do, I did the full infection control wipes on the kitchen benchtop, and the wash and dry routine on the vegies and fruits. Nothing missing in the load, except they apologised that they did not have any cos lettuce, so no salad for Hairy.

    We had Doyles fish supremo take-out last night, home delivered by a man who ran away, and just after Woollies the delivery man arrived from Dan Murphy’s. Unlike the middle-eastern Woollies men delivering, Dan’s man was fully masked up in a proper N95 with a vent in it. He kept his distance, waving at the delivery from the bottom of the stairs to our front door. We are pariahs, to be feared. Luckily, still well.

    My eldest son is coming round for view of us from the bottom of the stairs tomorrow. Very sweet. He wants to physically see us, to ensure we really are alive and well!

  178. Infidel Tiger

    So we have destroyed our economy and country because some Italians died, because it sure as shit can’t be what is happening here.

  179. Oh yes, because anything coming out of that shithole is 100% credible.

    That data is remakably consistent, and comes from four different sources – the World Health Organization (2015) – the United Nations, (2010–2015), the the GBD 2010 study, the CIA (2017), and the OECD (2016).
    It’s unlikely that the Cuban government controls them all, unless your conspiracy theory includes the CIA.

    And in reference to the USA – from Social Science & Medicine, Volume 73, Issue 2, July 2011, Pages 254-263.
    This is an old study, and the downward trend has continued since its publication.

    The abstract –

    Abstract
    In 1975, 50 year-old Americans could expect to live slightly longer than most of their Western European counterparts. By 2005, American life expectancy had fallen behind that of most Western European countries. We find that this growing longevity gap is primarily due to real declines in the health of near-elderly Americans, relative to their Western European peers. We use a microsimulation approach to project what US longevity would look like, if US health trends approximated those in Western Europe. The model implies that differences in health can explain most of the growing gap in remaining life expectancy. In addition, we quantify the public finance consequences of this deterioration in health. The model predicts that gradually moving American cohorts to the health status enjoyed by Western Europeans could save up to $1.1 trillion in discounted total health expenditures from 2004 to 2050.

  180. bespoke

    JC
    #3384220, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:57 pm
    And Hydroxychloroquinine works folks; it works.

    We’ve known this for the past 2 weeks, so why are people still dying? Honest question, as I’m perplexed that if it’s so great, the death toll should be very zero now and it isn’t.

    Nothing works 100%
    I assume not all had access.

  181. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Woollies apologised by text, btw, not via the two delivery men, who were quick and made no contact.

  182. Exact Calli.

    New York City looks like outstripping all of China’s caseload in the next few days.

    I smell a bat.

  183. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Attorney-general to review bail of woman who allegedly spat at police

    ATTORNEY-GENERAL Mark Speakman will review how a woman charged with assault for allegedly spitting at a police officer was granted bail.
    Police allege Hannah Ayoub failed to stop for police in Greenacre on Friday afternoon, accelerating at a speed believed to be above 120km/h.

    She was later approached by police and placed under arrest after driving in heavy traffic. However the woman allegedly refused to get out of the vehicle.

    As she was being physically removed and handcuffed, police allege the 25-year-old coughed on the police officer, spat in their face and told the officer she was travelling for COVID-19 testing.

    At a bail hearing on the weekend, a magistrate granted Ayoub’s bail on the conditions she adhered to a strict curfew at her parents’ home, not drive and come up with a $5000 surety.

    Attorney-General Mark Speakman said he is now reviewing that bail hearing, amid the “heightened” risk and danger posed by allegedly spitting at a police officer during the COVID-19 crisis

    Daily Tele.

  184. mh

    The government will pretend they stopped a calamity.
    What they have really been doing is letting the spreaders from overseas walk amongst us, but to their dismay hardly anything has happened. The bureaucracy/government finally lost patience and shut everything down anyway.

  185. Peter the old fossil

    No answer has been forthcoming…he’s disappeared off the face of the earth.

    and

    Sent a note to every SA parliamentarian, state and federal.
    Nothing but automated acknowledgement of reception.

    To all intent and purpose, state and federal parliaments have been made redundant, and now exist in name only. Australia is now being run by a Central Committee, with full military and police backing. Morrison is simply the increasingly reluctant mouthpiece.

  186. Communists lie.

    People die.

    But hey the stats the communists feed to the paid off and the gullible

    They are one hundred percent reliable.

  187. thefrollickingmole

    This is a wonderful example of someone so fucked in the head its a wonder they can breathe.

    1735099
    #3384168, posted on March 30, 2020 at 12:18 pm
    “Free enterprise” = buying up scarce resources during a pandemic, warehousing them, and selling them at inflated prices.
    The “market” is a wonderful thing…..

    Apparently “free markets” fail and its their fault when a Totalitarian regime firstly plays down a global health threat while (fairly deliberately) allowing infected persons to travel the globe and simultaneously using its “private” companies to buy up medical supplies and ship them back to China.

    Yup totally a failure of democracy/capitalism there….

    We are so Lucky Professor hawking wasnt one of Wangs students, otherwise it wouldnt be a brief history of time which was his legacy but a set of badly chewed crayons.

  188. Struth

    Callis MSM link

    Locals in Wuhan believe 42,000 people may have died in the coronavirus outbreak there not the 3,200 claimed by Chinese authorities

    Hearsay

    Coronavirus has killed 3,300 people in China and infected more than 81,000
    But Wuhan residents claim 500 urns were handed to grieving families every day

    Those handing out the urns wouldn’t give up that info, and highly unlikely those welded into their homes could know that.

    Means ashes of 3,500 people are distributed every 24 hours, estimates suggest

    Which is what they base this figure on??

  189. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So many Americans are seriously overweight and diabetic, this reduces life expectancy considerably.

    The amount of food they eat is extraordinary, as seen in restaurants and on the street. One thing I noticed from the French Cajun heritage is that portion sizes are quite normal in our clan family, and there was no snacking between meals (except for me attacking my stash of Muesli bars for a small nibble mid-morning in our cottage). Breakfast was small and rather continental, with one or two small home cooked pancakes; no butter, just syrup. This is unusual for Americans, where meal sizes are huge and eating between meals is a form of consoling activity.

  190. areff

    They drank fish-tank cleaner. Wanna try some, Numbers? Please do.

  191. JC

    Gunner
    Not you too.

    The Fed needed to get some of the stuff it now owns or about to own through its massive purchasing program either off its balance sheet or receive a backstop from the US Treasury with a massive liquidity injection. The reason is that, otherwise prudential limits would be busted and the fed’s balance sheet would be massively leveraged.

    It’s actually something that needed to be done in order for the fed to conduct this massive QE operation.

    It’s no biggie in that sense and there’s zero conspiracy and certainly no Rothschild was involved.

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    (CNN)A Phoenix-area man is dead and his wife is under critical care after the two took chloroquine phosphate in an apparent attempt to self-medicate for the novel coronavirus, according to hospital system Banner Health.
    It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather “an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks,” Banner Health said in a statement.
    Though Banner did not provide additional details, NBC News spoke to the wife, who said they learned of chloroquine’s connection to coronavirus during a President Donald Trump news conference, which “was on a lot actually.” They took it because they “were afraid of getting sick,” she said.

    From Number’s Bob’s own link.

  193. thefrollickingmole

    from confused old monomaniacs own link…

    It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather “an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks,” Banner Health said in a statement.

    So not the same stuff.

    This is as dumb as saying a person was killed by dihydrogen monoxide when they actually took Hydrogen cyanide.
    Because it nearly the same in mong world.

  194. Struth

    So desperate to keep the virus propaganda going aren’t you numbers?
    You’re pathetic.

    Trump will save his country from socialist takeover, and we’ll be sending the armed crims around to your place to have a bit of fun.
    Maybe you can whack them with your little red book.

  195. Peter the old fossil

    Anne is the only person on this board who understands what is going on at the moment.

    Anne gets it partly right, John Smith. Unfortunately she thinks the good guys are winning.
    They’re not.

    The only other person here even remotely close to the truth is Struth.
    And he thinks it’s all the “socialists'” doing.
    It’s not.

  196. Bear Necessities

    According to Worldometer US deaths yesterday were 264. The day before it was 525.

    Interesting. Have Worldometer got it wrong or what has caused the fall?

  197. mh

    Frank Lowy sold his Westfield operation two years ago.

    He knew.

  198. dover_beach

    ABC has another Pell “victim” lined up

    Disgusting stuff. And right in the midst of pending HC decision.

  199. Sean

    My doomsday predictor model for global case outcomes in the next 5 days:

    29/3 – 3936 – Actual 3105
    .
    30/3 – 4361
    31/3 – 5474
    1/4 – 5805
    2/4 – 6008
    3/4 – 5238

    Happily out by a lot yesterday!

  200. John Smith101

    Peter the old fossil
    #3384259, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:17 pm
    Anne is the only person on this board who understands what is going on at the moment.

    Do tell?

  201. Struth

    The only other person here even remotely close to the truth is Struth.
    And he thinks it’s all the “socialists’” doing.
    It’s not.

    No I don’t think it is all socialists, although socialism would be in their D&A.
    It’s a generalization of Communism, corrupt bureaucracies, power drunk nobodies, female hysteria demanding the government “do something” (socialist D&A) media who will destroy the world to rid it of Trump, the Soros, Davos mob, etc etc.
    The forces rallied against the west are massive so I generalise with “socialist” because when it comes to government control, they are all much the same.

  202. Fisky

    Good news. This won’t completely ban foreign investment, but it will impose stifling red tape on Chi-com takeovers, which is what our country needs right now.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6145581587001

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says the government’s new “precautionary measure” on foreign investment in Australia is to protect its citizens from economic instability through the coronavirus pandemic.

    The treasurer revealed the threshold for foreign investment proposals would be radically changed on Monday in an effort to protect the nation’s economy as more local businesses continued to close due to new restrictions imposed to curb the spread of the virus.

    Mr Frydenberg told Sky News the “threshold” which previously allowed foreign companies to make investment purchases above $1.2 billion would be removed “completely”.

    “The announcement today will see, as a precautionary measure, all foreign investment proposals scrutinised subject to my approval,” he said.

  203. Peter the old fossil

    It’s your line, John.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    mh

    #3384227, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    Where are the deaths?

    A woman “in her eighties” died in Tasmania.

    Media won’t even give her age. Which means most likely 89.

    Blot reporting that the youngest victim so far has been 68.
    And that person had “serious underlying health issues”.
    So, if you are under 60, without pleurisy, asthma or heart disease, and not undergoing chemo or radio-therapy, the risk seems low.
    Not zero, but low.
    The four Victorian deaths… 1 over 80, 2 cancer out-patients in their 70’s and one other not identified.
    You can bet if it was someone in their 40’s they’d be screaming it from the rooftops.

  205. Fisky

    Keep in mind that there’s only a handful of people of the foreign investment review board, and most of them aren’t even full-time. So hopefully this should create a massive backlog of investment approvals, which is what the punters want.

  206. Boambee John

    Hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine phosphate, meh, what’s the difference anyway?

    This seagull spent decades “educating” children!

  207. Fisky

    Ideally of course we would look to ban foreign investment, but mountains and mountains of red tape is a sensible compromise for now.

  208. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hydroxyquine added to other things to clean a fish tank and treat fish, Numbers?

    Any sensible person would not go near this. We are not fish.
    I’ve had this drug in the past in New Guinea and on coming back to Australia from Timor.
    It does have side effects and it is not the most pleasant thing; but nor is dying without it.

  209. Nick

    Hahahahaahahahah

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    I am a great friend and admirer of the Queen & the United Kingdom. It was reported that Harry and Meghan, who left the Kingdom, would reside permanently in Canada. Now they have left Canada for the U.S. however, the U.S. will not pay for their security protection. They must pay!

  210. Anne

    Tailgunner


    Annie totally vindicated!??

    Not me -> Q

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    .. make that ‘hydroxychloroquine’ in my comment above. Typing too fast.

  212. Anne

    RedPill

    The Royals hunt children.

  213. dover_beach

    IT has this playing on a loop right now:

  214. Struth

    We know today, with no deaths here in Oz, and with the information available to us that it is not deadly, it kills just like a seasonal flu, and the same demographic, and that we have a that our government is not going to hand back our freedom.
    And everyone is in denial.

    Hydroxychloroquinine works and there is no reason for a seconds delay in taking the MARTIAL law conditions away.

  215. Leigh Lowe

    This is as dumb as saying a person was killed by dihydrogen monoxide when they actually took Hydrogen cyanide.
    Because it nearly the same in mong world.

    Mmmyes.
    Example.
    Ethanol and methanol.
    Make party punch out of ethanol and everyone will wake up with a hangover and no harm done.
    But use methanol and, at best, you better order guide dogs and white canes all round.
    Sound a bit same.
    But different.
    Very different.

  216. Sean

    The Federal Government says the Therapeutic Goods Administration no longer needs to approve the product if it’s made with the recipes developed by the World Health Organisation.

    Cheaper food grade alcohol can now also be used instead of the medical grade ingredient.

    Some wineries with bushfire-damaged grapes are now using their facilities to manufacture sanitiser instead.

    realspeak: We artificially limited supply due to lobbying and now we are removing a stupid restriction that put people at risk.

  217. NBC News spoke to the wife, who said they learned of chloroquine’s connection to coronavirus during a President Donald Trump news conference, which “was on a lot actually.” They took it because they “were afraid of getting sick,” she said.

    Anyone dumb enough to listen to Trump is at great risk.
    Endless loops of Donald Trump talking through his arse about something he knows absolutely nothing about can be extremely hazardous to both mental and physical health.
    These poor buggers found out the hard way.
    They belong to what is called Trump’s”base”.
    If the God-emperor says “jump”they ask “how high?” and “when will I come down?”.
    He’s a very dangerous individual when his minders let him loose.

  218. Anne

    Cohenite, what do you know about Tesla’s Coil?

  219. Fisky

    You know why foreign businesses almost never get taken before Fair Work Australia despite underpayment being rife among international students? It’s because the Chi-coms are paying off the union leaders. Australian workers must take direct action against these businesses!

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Kiwis crash website to dob in neighbours

    New Zealanders are embracing their inner cop, crashing a Dob-in-a-Kiwi website within a day of police opening it.

    Police established the http://www.105.police.govt.nz website during the country’s coronavirus lockdown to allow members of the public to give tip-offs of non- compliant activities.

    Commissioner Mike Bush said police received 4200 reports in the first 24 hours.

    “It crashed our system. So we put it back up again. And it’s working,” he said.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  221. JC

    Fisky
    #3384278, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:27 pm
    Ideally of course we would look to ban foreign investment, but mountains and mountains of red tape is a sensible compromise for now.

    You’ve moved straight North Korean economics, haven’t you? There wasn’t even a stopover at socialism.

  222. Anne

    Anne gets it partly right, John Smith. Unfortunately she thinks the good guys are winning.

    I know, God wins.

    It could get bumpy before then.

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Kiwis crash website to dob in neighbours

    New Zealanders are embracing their inner cop, crashing a Dob-in-a-Kiwi website within a day of police opening it.

    Police established the http://www.105.police.govt.nz website during the country’s coronavirus lockdown to allow members of the public to give tip-offs of non- compliant activities.

    Log on to settlingoldscores.gov.nz and lodge your complaint, bro.

  224. Struth

    Queensland now apparently, has stopped ammunition sales, as live rounds contain the coronavirus apparently.

    MV you obviously couldn’t find what you thought I said.
    I don’t care about shit like that, I don’t care about chasing you up on it.
    There are much more important things to be doing and right now is not the time for that bullshit, would you agree?
    Let’s drop it.

  225. NoFixedAddress

    Here’s an oldie from Sibyl Roth’s child.

    Apparently he actually trained and worked as Emergency Medical Technician in New York in the late 1990’s.

  226. rickw

    It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather “an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks,” Banner Health said in a statement.

    The wife found a bag of fix tank cleaner while storing dog food. She saw hydroxywhatever. Says to her husband, hey this is the hydroxywhatever that everyone’s talking about. They both took it, he died, she wound up in ICU.

    Numbers linking The Darwin Awards – Coronavirus Edition.

  227. Fisky

    Keira Savage
    @KeiraSavage00
    ·
    Mar 24
    Sen. Pauline Hanson: The pandemic came out of China. They need to be responsible and take responsibility for it. I want Australia to wake up and learn from this. I want us to become the industry manufacturing country we once were and not rely on China to supply us.

    Good onya Pauline!

  228. calli

    Struth, honest question.

    Do you have any links to articles supporting your assertions? Non MSM ones? I would be really happy to see them.

  229. JC

    Anne
    #3384294, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    Cohenite, what do you know about Tesla’s Coil?

    Annie, the only thing cronkite is an expert in, is apportioning rates in land transfers. He’s so good, he can run it down to the last cent owed or owing. Don’t ask him about anything else.

  230. John Smith101

    Struth
    #3384271, posted on March 30, 2020 at 1:25 pm
    No I don’t think it is all socialists, although socialism would be in their D&A.
    It’s a generalization of Communism, corrupt bureaucracies, power drunk nobodies, female hysteria demanding the government “do something” (socialist D&A) media who will destroy the world to rid it of Trump, the Soros, Davos mob, etc etc.
    The forces rallied against the west are massive so I generalise with “socialist” because when it comes to government control, they are all much the same.

    Struth is on to it.
    . . .

    See: Peggy Ryan, Our Radicalized Media: A Clear And Present Danger, American Thinker, 10 February 2018.
    An extract:
    . . . corporate America and government are one and the same, partners in a corrupt merger.
    The roots of this merger are in the iron triangle, a mutually beneficial three-way relationship among Congress, government bureaucrats (the Deep State), and special interests (corporate). Iron triangles get their name because they are incredibly hard to remove once they are set in. All three components need each other in order to survive. It is not in the interests of any component to break the triangle. This interdependence results in a shared agenda, the big money agenda. So corporate interests buy off Congress, at least enough to have an effective majority, then move to acquire media.
    Corporate giants control 90 percent of [U.S.] mass media. These corporations are the special interests. The direct links connect all five of these media conglomerates to the political establishment and the economic and political power elites of the United States.

    These conglomerates are in large measure responsible for inculcating the social, political, economic, and moral values of both adults and children in the United States. This media behemoth has turned its back on the Constitution. The media use their unparalleled influence to shield an emerging police state, bury the metastasis of political corruption in our government, and actively collude to remove our president and nullify an election. This is not OK. None of it is OK. It’s a seditious conspiracy.

  231. woolfe

    Mr Frydenberg told Sky News the “threshold” which previously allowed foreign companies to make investment purchases above $1.2 billion would be removed “completely”.

    CCP plays the long game. Will be business as normal in a couple of years time.

  232. candy

    Kiwis crash website to dob in neighbours

    If this is true, I wonder if it’s related to the persona of Jacinda A.
    A sort or “religious” fervour about doing the “right thing”, even if is dobbing in your neighbours.

    A sort of communism thing, really. This kind of socialism/communism idea possibly taking off here in Australia too.

  233. woolfe

    Cohenite, what do you know about Tesla’s Coil?

    It couldn’t be flushed?

  234. John of Mel

    Not sure if it was posted here already, but there is a story doing rounds on Russian social media.
    It is related to this article in Nature from Nov 2015:

    Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

    The story, doesn’t directly accuse the US in spreading the virus, but provides a lot of suggestive questions. What it doesn’t say, though, is that there are two Chinese co-authors of this research from … Wuhan.

    I don’t have deep biological knowledge to determine if what they created in the lab is the same coronavirus we have now, but sounds like it is pretty close to it.

    There is also a follow-up article in Nature last updated in March 2020.

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