Monday Forum: March 30, 2020

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  1. struth

    People you better start getting angry and vocal beyond this blog.
    What can you do for your country and children today.
    This is not about a virus other than the sickness of totalitarianism.
    Notice it is now no more than two to be gathering and the one and a half metre spacing is not what they’re pushing.
    We are their enemy and they fear reprisal even though depressingly we know Australians won’t do a thing.
    Never the less they’re not going to take any chances.

  2. zyconoclast

    Tragedy struck the same Arkansas family twice — both times at the hands of the same man.

    On Wednesday, an ex-convict returned to the upscale lakeside Arkansas neighborhood where he’d fatally shot a 75-year-old woman and her 52-year-old nephew 23 years earlier, say authorities. Once there, he murdered the woman’s daughter and then drowned himself after fleeing from police.

  3. struth

    Trump’s America starting to win and fight back.
    Chinese who own most countries one way or another and their pollies fights back aided by every left wing MSM arsehole in the world and democrats in the USA who BAN cures because it’s all about crashing the joint to get Trump.
    Deaths are irrelevant and not only irrelevant but desired.
    Our corrupt pollies hate Trump and are in bed with the Chinese.
    This is war where our Chinese enemies have European faces.
    But if it makes you feel better let your denialism of what is right infront of your face call me a conspiracy theorist.
    Or start I fighting back.
    For your children.

  4. Rafe Champion

    * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

    * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

    * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

    By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

    * HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

    * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

    * Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

    * Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

    * NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibiotics cannot kill what is not alive.

    * NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
    -between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
    -4 hours (copper and wood)
    -24 hours (cardboard),
    – 42 hours (metal) and
    -72 hours (plastic).

    But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

    * The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

    They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

    * UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

    * The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

    * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

    * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
    Edit: there are a few alcohols more than 65%, and Vodka does come in 50%, but still not strong enough to kill the virus.

    * The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

    * You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

    * You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

    * Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

    -JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

  5. Entropy

    It’s interesting what working from home does to working behaviour. My crew are in seeming competition to see who clocks on earliest at the moment.

  6. rickw

    It’s interesting what working from home does to working behaviour. My crew are in seeming competition to see who clocks on earliest at the moment.

    We had an impromptu round of “look what I made on the weekend” via email, we’re going to make it a fixture!

  7. rickw

    If the draconian treatment of Australians compared to those arriving from overseas is just an accident.

    Why does Canada seen to have exactly the same approach?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j1JG_PmtJ2w

  8. Tel

    * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

    Alcohol does it in less than 20 seconds, doesn’t require as much rubbing, and is portable without needing a supply of hot water and a drain. Also too much washing with soap and water will dry out and damage your skin, leading to further problems.

    Why does everyone keep insisting that soap is the best option? I must presume there’s a Pied Piper operation in progress to discourage purchase of alcohol based sanitizer … thus leaving more for, you know, the important people.

    Although I’m happy for everyone to wash their hands in the basin after they have used the toilet (especially given that they have no paper), this is completely unworkable at the supermarket or petrol station, or bus stop, or any of the many places people come in contact with surfaces and pick up germs.

  9. bespoke

    I don’t think your a conspiracy theorist Stuth ( Peter/MV yes and a rather sad one at that) But it’s stating to look like an excuse to generate pixels. Plus your tone suggest your the only one with concern with what’s happening is starting to be annoying (Peter/MV trait).

  10. calli

    Infidel Tiger
    #3385083, posted on March 30, 2020 at 10:55 pm
    Anyone have any idea how they will calculate a 30% drop in revenue to get the JOBKEEPER allowance.

    You could have a record month in April because of stuff you did last year and then have zero revenue for the rest of the year.

    These zero detail brain farts are what is killing us.

    Excellent point, IT.

    Plenty of work on the books, but after June it all falls off the cliff because no new work contracted. I hate the idea of putting my hand out for public money. A couple of options:

    – Work like Trojans while we can and get as much dough into the bank as possible, then lay off all the staff
    – Get some of the staff to take leave or some LSL, keep working
    – wage drops across the board to keep going and spin out the work longer
    – Business as usual and see what happens

    I’ll go out and sacrifice the most annoying Kooka and read its entrails. Seems that’s what the government is doing.

  11. bespoke

    Although I’m happy for everyone to wash their hands in the basin after they have used the toilet (especially given that they have no paper), this is completely unworkable at the supermarket or petrol station, or bus stop, or any of the many places people come in contact with surfaces and pick up germs.

    Yep the dispenser at the entrance a only a placebo if only a few are using them.

  12. Tel

    * You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

    The moisturizer is greasy which is good for your skin, but also gives the virons more opportunity to bed into that greasy surface. Then you need to scrub with soap for even longer in order to get through the grease you just put on.

    Alcohol based sanitizer really is better. Also, alcohol is extremely good at penetrating cracks, under finger nails, even into the skin surface itself. Soap is a secondary option, still helpful to some extent but inferior in many ways.

  13. Struth

    I’ve got to go to work for a few hours, but if any of you do a cardimona style fight or even just have a facebook blast, or in anyway fight, I would love to hear about it.

    I’ve got the boys at work fired up with just a few simple facts.

    They’re not happy, it’s private enterprise and after Easter, if it’s not shut down by thugs earlier, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be put off.

  14. Struth

    sorry , highly likely.

  15. bespoke

    Same thing with my boss calli, He only gets payed in two instalments over the year.

  16. Cassie of Sydney

    “Struth
    #3385263, posted on March 31, 2020 at 7:13 am
    I’ve got to go to work for a few hours, but if any of you do a cardimona style fight or even just have a facebook blast, or in anyway fight, I would love to hear about it.”

    I fight too…everyday…but I also have to hold down a job. I think a lot of people here fight…..in their own way.

  17. Struth

    I don’t think your a conspiracy theorist Stuth ( Peter/MV yes and a rather sad one at that) But it’s stating to look like an excuse to generate pixels. Plus your tone suggest your the only one with concern with what’s happening is starting to be annoying (Peter/MV trait).

    I take your point, and I reckon at least 50% on the blog feel the same way as I do, and have come to the conclusion I have, so sorry to those who feel I’m banging away at this, but it’s because there are still so many here quoting propaganda and bullshit they don’t know are facts, in fear of a virus that’s in no way requiring the response of Martial Law.
    That’s basically it.
    14 deaths………………Martial law.

    So if we could move those along to face up to reality, we might be able to be a bit more proactive, in regards to suggestions for actions etc.
    That’s what I’m agitating for.
    IMHO we do not have the time to slowly come around to the conclusion the nation in it’s entirety, has been placed under arrest.

  18. Struth

    I fight too…everyday…but I also have to hold down a job. I think a lot of people here fight…..in their own way.

    I think they do too, but I for one would just love to hear about it now, because I’ll admit I’m dam depressed about this and could do with a cheer up, couldn’t we all?

  19. Cassie of Sydney

    “because I’ll admit I’m dam depressed about this and could do with a cheer up, couldn’t we all?”

    I know Struth….we all are…..another word to describe how I feel about the whole thing would be….”bewildered”. All I can say is that I am so glad to have my job….I watched the news last week and saw the lines of people queuing outside Centrelink and my heart broke. Whilst the circumstances are very different…I do now sort of understand how my grandparents felt at the outbreak of World War II.

  20. Cassie of Sydney

    And this is one of the problems….from the Oz…

    “Cruise liner Ruby Princess coronavirus infection spreads to community – YONI BASHANSTATE POLITICAL REPORTER

    At least six people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 after coming into contact with passengers from the Ruby Princess cruise ship, confirming the first known cases of community transmissions since those on board were allowed to prematurely disembark the liner almost two weeks ago.

    Jeremy McAnulty, director health protection at NSW Health, said the six people were close contacts of the 189 Ruby Princess passengers who have since been diagnosed with COVID-19 following the ship’s arrival at Sydney’s Circular Quay on March 19.

    “We’re trying to contain the infection as much as possible, and these people were in close contact with some of the people who were infected,” Dr McAnulty said.

    Those infected are understood to be family members of the cruise ship passengers.

    “We understand the people are relatively well, but we’re continuing to support them and track other cases in the community,” he said. “It’s pleasing there aren’t ­further cases.”

    Dr McAnulty was unable to say how many transmissions had been identified interstate, where several of the cruise ship’s passengers travelled after being let off the ship. The figures were collated at the request of The Australian, with more data expected to be released on Tuesday.

    NSW Health released revised figures on Monday confirming that at least 215 of the 2647 Ruby Princess passengers had been confirmed with the virus. At least 26 of these passengers reside interstate.

    Cruise ships continue to account for some of the highest concentrations of coronavirus outbreaks in NSW.

    As of 8pm on Sunday, NSW had recorded 1918 confirmed cases across the state; 271 of these could be traced back to cruise liners, about 14 per cent of cases.

    The Ruby Princess has had the highest number of cases, followed by the Ovation of the Seas, which has recorded 66 cases, then the Voyager of the Seas, with 26 infections, and the Celebrity Solstice with four infections.

    The number of transmissions traced to these ships — cases where people not aboard the cruise ship had contracted the illness — had not been collated by NSW Health as of Monday night.

    The Ruby Princess has been especially troublesome for the Berejiklian government. The decision to let its passengers disembark prompted a feud between multiple departments and federal agencies, all of which sought to distance themselves from the matter.

    The Australian has since revealed the ship had previously been graded “medium risk” when it docked in Sydney 11 days earlier.

    The fallout from the ship’s arrival has also seen responsibility for maritime arrivals stripped from a slew of government agencies and handed to the NSW Police Commissioner.

    Overnight, three crew members who have been self-isolating aboard the ship were transported to hospital by a team of paramedics and a doctor, who met the vessel a few kilometres off Botany Bay. The crew members had deteriorated from suspected COVID-19 symptoms, and are being treated in Sydney’s Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.

    Absolute scandal…..will there be any accountability?

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why astrophysicists don’t make good medical scientists:

    Scientist Studying Chinese Virus Prevention Hospitalized with Magnets Stuck Up Nose

    An Australian astrophysicist was hospitalized with magnets stuck up his nose while trying to create a necklace that will warn people when they touch their face so that they don’t become infected with the Chinese virus.

    “I accidentally invented a necklace that buzzes continuously unless you move your hand close to your face,” said Reardon.

    “After scrapping that idea, I was still a bit bored, playing with the magnets,” he added. “It’s the same logic as clipping pegs to your ears — I clipped them to my earlobes and then clipped them to my nostril and things went downhill pretty quickly when I clipped the magnets to my other nostril.”

    Seems to’ve cured his social isolation induced boredom though.

  22. mh

    Ben Garrison should be popular today.

  23. bespoke

    I take your point, and I reckon at least 50% on the blog feel the same way as I do

    That’s a vast under estimate in my opinion and as far as Nota goes I could cherry pick her statements and call her a “government stooge” or at other times “blind catholic apologist” but I don’t I take all her statements into account.

    PS: I wish she did the same with you.

  24. jupes

    Devils own on D-Day:

    Wow. Imagine having lawyers in the military who fight the enemy rather than your own troops.

  25. custard

    CallI/IT regarding 30% drop in turnover….
    I think my boss is in a similar situation. We had a good March reflecting a big October/November last year and the vans only finally arrived in February. I managed to sell 7 in March but we are no chance of doing anything in April. The self assessment could get a bit dicey but I hope he claims it all the same.

  26. calli

    I fight too…everyday…but I also have to hold down a job. I think a lot of people here fight…..in their own way.

    I’m not sleeping well, obviously. Not my business any more but the New Broom is looking for advice/direction on what to do. Seven direct employees and many…many subbies to think about.

    Thing is not to mind some of the assumptions here – they’re entertaining. I particularly like the G-Team. 🙂

  27. Struth

    Absolute scandal…..will there be any accountability?

    Pollies are not accountable to the people under martial law, that’s the whole idea.

    I picked on Nota because despite the bleeding obvious, she was saying things based on can really only be described , if not there in Italy in person as gossip, propaganda, lies and dam lies and willing to let government do what was necessary………as a precaution.
    And no disease is worth this.

    No one knows anything for a fact unless you can see it in front of your eyes.
    You don’t know how many dead from the corona virus anywhere, because those figures will have most likely been manipulated by those who benefit from doing so.
    Any old person dying of the flu leftists in hospital administrations long since marched through, will manipulate the figures

    There is no reason on god’s green earth for imposing what truly is martial law.

  28. bespoke

    I take all her statements into account.

    Actually It is how she has dealt with things in her life more then just statements. To many believe just identifying (words many many words) with a group gives them a free pass for what they do. And way to many let them get away with it.

  29. calli

    but it’s because there are still so many here quoting propaganda and bullshit they don’t know are facts, in fear of a virus that’s in no way requiring the response of Martial Law.

    You have made some assumptions Struth.

    – this is a forum which sources information and publishes it, with or without comment
    – adults are quite capable of sifting truth from lies without filtering it through a third party
    – opinion is fine, but keep in mind it’s just opinion
    – I would be very surprised if anyone on this site is actually “fearful”

  30. struth

    There was huge fear of it here and still is with a few.
    Must go into work.

  31. calli

    The decision to let its passengers disembark prompted a feud between multiple departments and federal agencies, all of which sought to distance themselves from the matter.

    If this is true, and not some sort of beatup, then it’s a childish disgrace.

    Swollen heads should roll off pudgy shoulders for this dereliction of duty.

  32. notafan

    It’s laughable that people think superfund are 100 percentage cash for grabbing.

    More scaremongering by the usual suspects.

  33. Farmer Gez

    Pretty much all C-19 tests from regional Victoria are sent to Melb for testing, taking a week for results.
    Country doctors say the delays are putting patients at risk due to delayed intervention for positive results.
    ‘Saving lives’ seems to be more of a geographical phenomena rather than a strict policy as we are told by our Presser Premier.

  34. notafan

    Last year’s Australian flu season (winter) saw appropriately 900 people die from flu complications.

    Italy alone is averaging between 600 and 900 deaths per day from covid19, clearly nothing to be concerned about.

    Some morons seem to think what we really need now is a civil war.

    What we need is a plan for people to get back to work while the vunerable are protected.

    And we will never forget the I’m so brave for speaking out ‘they’ have me on a hit list and don’t be surprised if I soon die on mysterious circumstances.

    #imanhystericalbaby

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘There was huge fear of it here’

    Dunno about fear.

    Plenty of economy-based concern, not a lot (in my own humble view) that this country would become an open morgue due to the virus itself.

    I’d use the term ‘rage’ about the seemingly deliberate destruction of our economy over something that kills less people than necrotising fasciitis, and even more so that we’ve been corralled into two disparate groups – the betters, who can do as they please, and the little grey people who must obey.

    Yep, that it. Rage.

  36. Mater

    It’s laughable that people think superfund are 100 percentage cash for grabbing.

    Notafan,
    Why would it need to be cash in order for them to confiscate it?
    They can change the age at which you can access it, just by the stroke of a pen.
    They’ve effectively limited you to your house, for an unspecified period, just by the stroke of a pen.

    Calling such things “scaremongering” is so Feb 2020.

  37. notafan

    New York City edges closer to outstripping the China case total.

    Now it might be there is more testing in the US.

    Or it might be that China lied.

    Who can know?

    Struth, obviously.

  38. calli

    we’ve been corralled into two disparate groups – the betters, who can do as they please, and the little grey people who must obey.

    There’s a third group – those who have to sift the information available and make decisions that will affect the welfare of their employees.

  39. Knuckle Dragger

    There’s also quite a few B Grade Annes getting around going ‘I told you so’ and ‘this is what I’ve been telling you would happen for decades now’, and ‘I and only I have foreseen the days to come, now the people must rise’ etc etc.

    These will be the people in six months’ time who will be saying ‘Yes, that was their practice run, just to see if they could do it’ and the like.

    I really think there’s a correlation to climate change here – HANG ON – only inasmuch as world leaders are trying their guts out to be ‘seen to do something’. To tackle things. To combat other things. To out-empathise their colleagues.

    And when they’re all standing over broken economies and countries, there’ll be a heap of discussion about who was the most virtuous.

  40. mh

    Only 82 new cases in Australia yesterday. 18 deaths in total. Most case symptoms will just be a sniffle.

    Morrison should now be saying “we’ll review the lockdown at end of the Easter break”.

    This thing may love our cruise ships, but on mainland Australia COVID-19 doesn’t appear interested.

  41. Mitch M.

    bespoke
    #3385261, posted on March 31, 2020 at 7:11 am
    Although I’m happy for everyone to wash their hands in the basin after they have used the toilet (especially given that they have no paper), this is completely unworkable at the supermarket or petrol station, or bus stop, or any of the many places people come in contact with surfaces and pick up germs.

    Yep the dispenser at the entrance a only a placebo if only a few are using them.

    Also, try to avoid tapping your card when making purchases. Get it close enough without touching the device.

  42. notafan

    No mater

    It’s thinking that is liquid ‘cash’ to be grabbable that I said was laughable.

    MV has been going on about they’re coming for your super for years.

    Why would not he jump on this opportunity to best that old drum?

    Like I’ve said before

    Sometimes a pandemic is just a pandemic.

    I don’t think locking people in their home for six months is the solution.

    Those whose risk factors are low should be going about their business.

    Those identified as high risk should self isolate.

    We don’t live in tiny high rise apartments, we can do things differently.

    We need to urge government to allow people who can go back to work.

    Not run around with global socialism conspiracy theories saying that the sky is falling.

  43. Mitch M.

    mh
    #3385306, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:20 am
    Only 82 new cases in Australia yesterday. 18 deaths in total. Most case symptoms will just be a sniffle.

    Morrison should now be saying “we’ll review the lockdown at end of the Easter break”.

    This thing may love our cruise ships, but on mainland Australia COVID-19 doesn’t appear interested.

    But in countries that didn’t have the restrictions … .

  44. Farmer Gez

    The South Korean data shows the Chinese stats are a gross deception.
    No country of size did a better job. Korean new case detection shows the daily ups and down but on a sliding trend.

    The astounding crash in new Chinese detections cannot be believed.
    Chinese data should not be used or quoted by any official sources.

  45. Tel

    The number of transmissions traced to these ships — cases where people not aboard the cruise ship had contracted the illness — had not been collated by NSW Health as of Monday night.

    And I bet that number never will be collated.

    Word I’ve been reading on social media is that lots of the kids in Western Sydney who are either still in schools or recently were in schools have started coming down with sniffles. No testing of course, because only school kids and anyway not so very sick.

  46. calli

    Chinese data should not be used or quoted by any official sources.

    Yes. That’s a perfect example of my second point. We are capable, as adults, to know that the Chinese data is a lie. Simply because

    – they are not trustworthy for a raft of reasons
    – it does not match data from other countries

    Italy and Spain are not like Australia, either, for a number of reasons. Is their data trustworthy? Possibly, but with certain caveats. What’s coming out of Japan, the UK and USA will probably be of more use.

  47. bespoke

    There’s also quite a few B Grade Annes getting around going ‘I told you so’ and ‘this is what I’ve been telling you would happen for decades now’, and ‘I and only I have foreseen the days to come, now the people must rise’ etc etc.

    To think it was only last month JFK was in hiding and ready to lead the resistance.😅

  48. Mitch M.

    No country of size did a better job. Korean new case detection shows the daily ups and down but on a sliding trend.

    Last night I watched an interview with a South Korean doctor. There have been documented cases of reinfection. Corona viruses can be like that, immunity post infection isn’t guaranteed and even when it does happen it may not last that long. If we just let it loose with that herd immunity nonsense forget about a vaccine because it will mutate so rapidly we may never keep up. Also remember despite decades of effort we haven’t developed vaccines for HIV and Hep C, both of which also rapidly mutate.

    How many times must it be said: don’t trust the China data. Ignore it completely, anyone who uses it as a reference is scroll by for me.

  49. OldOzzie

    Spectator US – MEDIA MATTERS

    The ‘Orange Man Bad’ Disease

    Don’t be deceived by the media’s coronavirus blame game.

  50. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘All is well in the People’s Republic.

    ‘We look forward to re-establishing our very friendly trade ties with the world.’

  51. John Comnenus

    The governments job keeper allowance will help 6 million Aussie workers. There are only about 11.5 million in the workforce. So the economic damage, without the allowance, would see one quarter to one half of the workforce. What a disaster this pandemic response is.

    Now the government is subsidising more than half the workforce and probably most of our companies. Looks a lot like communism via the back door.

  52. 132andBush

    Praise the Lord and pass the glyphosate!

  53. calli

    immunity post infection isn’t guaranteed

    Mitch, I asked a few questions yesterday, based on something Zippy posted about eight possible mutations detected.

    Do you think re-infection might be because immunity has not been conferred to combat another mutation? If thus is so, can “herd immunity” ever be achieved?

  54. notafan

    Mitch

    No guarantees as to mutating to a less virulent form?

    If it’s that bad maybe we do have to learn to live with it.

  55. Boambee John

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3385300, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:11 am
    ‘There was huge fear of it here’

    Dunno about fear.

    About the only one who displayed open fear for own personal safety was m0nty. Others were and are concerned about older family members. That is not the same thing.

    And even m0nty lost his fear when he came to believe that the ALP/ACTU had finally taken control. Now that Stalin knows about m0nty, all will be well!

  56. Geriatric Mayfly

    Maybe the Celestials have been tutored by Australian experts in the art of homogenising their disease statistics.

  57. notafan

    Calli

    Still think we are better placed that high density places like London, New York and Tokyo.

    And remembering Japan’s aged population.

    Not seeing rapid growth in flyover country.

    Though I shall look again at those.

  58. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘This thing may love our cruise ships, but on mainland Australia COVID-19 doesn’t appear interested.’

    We are an island continent on the other side of the world from places where millions upon millions of punters cram in alongside each other in countries and ancient cities where miasmas seep from the ground, and centuries’ worth of people live and die in the same building.

    Where a two hour drive is to the edge of the world. Where the weather for ten months of the year is absolutely perfect for virii to grow, hide and reproduce*. Where sunlight and fresh breezes are novelties, not the norm, and where dirt is for living and dying in, not for planting. And where a full 90% of our globally meagre BatFlu cases came from.

    And for these reasons alone we should keep our borders firmly slammed shut.

    *I will make exceptions for Ballarat, Romsey and Canberra.

  59. Mitch M.

    Researchers discover potential boost to immunotherapy

    Dendritic cells are amazing little critters that play a key role in initiating many immune responses by programming T cells to go hunting for certain molecules expressed on the cell surface. In this study the strategy is simple: blocking interleukin 4, a molecule that inhibits inflammation and autoimmunity the dendritic cells were better at programming the T cells.(incidentally, vitamin D increases il-4 expression) The downside, which is rarely reported in news on immunotherapy, is horrendous side effects that often require hospitalisation because the immune systems can go into crazy over shoot mode.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Many of those casting doubt on CCP Kung Flu stats used to make investment decisions based upon their GDP figures.

  61. Boambee John

    notafan
    #3385309, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:24 am
    No mater

    It’s thinking that is liquid ‘cash’ to be grabbable that I said was laughable.

    More to the point, their actions over recent days have reduced the value of the “loot” quite significantly (20 to 30 %??). This is not a smart way to carry out the heist.

    If this has been a long term “cunning plan” of vast complexity, it has made a real hash of the final implementation!

  62. Twostix

    – I would be very surprised if anyone on this site is actually “fearful”

    The last two weeks have seen the boomer grandma brigades and their Good Boy BorisG clutching pearls and hyperventilating that we must destroy the country and ruin the lives and future of my generation and oir kids to prevent 91 year old nanna (who’s already locked away in an aged care prison) from catching a cold.

    The fear was palpable and the shameless emotional blackmail “do as we say or great-granny is going to DIE” – incredibly selfish.

    Now that armegeddon naturally isn’t coming it’s going to be all “no one was worried tsktsk stop being silly”.

    We aren’t ever getting what we had back – economically obviously, or the casual comfort everyone else had of thinking we were free because there were certain things the governments simply aren’t allowed to do. That’s all gone for us. We’ve seen it’s not true.

    But some other things have been foolishly damaged along the way too.

  63. stackja

    Red China 2019 Wuhan flu data same as 1989 Tiananmen Square reports.

  64. Mitch M.

    notafan
    #3385329, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:37 am
    Mitch

    No guarantees as to mutating to a less virulent form?

    If it’s that bad maybe we do have to learn to live with it.

    Over the very long term possibly but that is a selection effect not intrinsic to the mutation rate. Hep C and HIV have not mutated into less virulent forms but have very much mutated. A single HIV patient may contain many variants. Even if it does mutate into a less virulent form that doesn’t mean the previous variants disappear. That may happen eventually, next year, next decade, next century, but there are plenty of viruses that have been around for thousands of years that still kill us so when you hear people making that “it will become less dangerous over time” remember that they have forgotten the fucking obvious.

  65. notafan

    I was thinking the same thing Boambee John.

    And to whom would all those firesale assets be sold?

    Why of course!

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    The NSW hag and a fresh new (I think) CMO or rep had another presser this morning.

    Still no apology for the Ruby Princess, whose staff are now infected as well, and which is indirectly responsible for much of the hysteria wafting through the nation’s aircon ducts. Still no apology from the medicos for the behaviour of their own who decided the rules for little people didn’t apply to them.

  67. notafan

    Bottom line having the entire population (excluding health emergency services, supermarket workers and Uber eats drivers) cowering in their homes indefinitely is pointless.

  68. calli

    The last two weeks have seen the boomer grandma brigades and their Good Boy BorisG clutching pearls and hyperventilating that we must destroy the country and ruin the lives and future of my generation and oir kids to prevent 91 year old nanna (who’s already locked away in an aged care prison) from catching a cold.

    You mention BorisG so I assume you are referring to “boomer grannies” on this site.

    Do you mean me?

  69. Entropy

    eigh Lowe
    #3385336, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:42 am
    Many of those casting doubt on CCP Kung Flu stats used to make investment decisions based upon their GDP figures

    You mean the quarterly stats that come out within a week of the end of the quarter, while our ABS takes six weeks?
    The chinese economists are just more efficient, obviously.

  70. calli

    Efficient and inscrutable.

  71. Twostix

    The South Korean data shows the Chinese stats are a gross deception.

    Oh really?

    Because two weeks ago the resident economic grim reapers were quoting Chinese figures as proof of the need to bankrupt and ruin the gen x and gen y working classes in Australia.

    Now they’re not reliable?

    Next we’ll be hearing that the first two weeks of stats out italy aren’t reliable either because 50% of the test kits at they had at that time were completely broken.

    Who new at the time though?

    Hmmmmm!

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mitch, I have been regularly sanitising our cards, passports, wallets etc – anything that others may have touched or that we may touch having touched something of ours others may have touched. (eg especially in high risk areas such as getting passport back from immigration officer)

  73. calli

    ‘Stix, the upward trend in the Chinese stats matches all the rest.

    It’s the drop off that’s in dispute.

  74. shatterzzz

    For any cats needing their fix of Babylon Berlin series 3 with English subs …
    Here t’is

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    I must apologise.

    I can’t remember who posted the other night something that included the Monty Python line:

    ‘I don’t want to go on the cart’

    I would have liked to have acknowledged them for making me wake up at about 5.00 a.m. giggling. Which I probably shouldn’t have.

    But I did. Because the Black Death’s first and fiercest wave in 1357 which killed a third of Europe apparently caused less panic than this amongst our alleged leaders.

  76. Mater

    If this has been a long term “cunning plan” of vast complexity, it has made a real hash of the final implementation!

    Haven’t they already raided some Super (and savings) to fund this, by proxy?

    “I’m going to stop you working, give you a little bit of per diem and you can make up the shortfall with your savings, leave and $20k of your Super…until that runs out!”

    I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, and I don’t think it was planned, but I don’t discount what they might do when they realise the full scope of what they’ve just done.

  77. mh

    But in countries that didn’t have the restrictions … .

    Mitch, our governments did not secure the borders. The cruisers walked amongst us but the spread was minimal.

  78. calli

    This was posted last night by Dover

  79. notafan

    Still believe that China has grossly unreported infections and deaths as well as the miraculous end.

    But we aren’t a second and three quarters country and we mostly don’t live in Chinese built multi storey death traps.

    We take it seriously but we can do things differently.

  80. Herodotus

    Still no T.Paper in the shops, even though it’s Australian made – and we do have some pulp mills, despite the Greenies killing off Gunns in Tassie, for which I’ll never forgive them or their anti-human elitist attitudes.
    Coles today told us they had reserved the 7-8am spot for health and emergency workers. That’s ok. First we’d heard of it, but Woolies 100m away got the business instead, being quite welcoming of a couple of people pushing 70yrs doing their weekly shop.

  81. Geriatric Mayfly

    These viruses are beyond my understanding. As they are not living organisms (See Steve Kates above) but merely blobs of chemicals ie. molecules; how come they are invested with the compelling need to reproduce? There must be something at work here that elevates them above mere matter. PhD submission welcome.

  82. bespoke

    Mitch M.
    #3385308, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:23 am

    Yep the dispenser at the entrance a only a placebo if only a few are using them.

    Also, try to avoid tapping your card when making purchases. Get it close enough without touching the device.

    I use my phone made in a place the cannot be said without being denounced as a heretic. I will gladly place an order with IT for one made by artisans with discarded tooth filling. 😎

  83. Leigh Lowe

    These viruses are beyond my understanding. As they are not living organisms (See Steve Kates above) but merely blobs of chemicals ie. molecules; how come they are invested with the compelling need to reproduce? There must be something at work here that elevates them above mere matter. PhD submission welcome.

    The Menzies Government.
    Conscription.
    The Yanks.
    The end.

  84. Knuckle Dragger

    2,000+ cases in NSW.

    15 in the NT, despite having a vast percentage of its population squarely in the highest risk groups you can find, certainly in terms of comorbidities.

    And that vast percentage also has zero concept of social distancing or community transmission, and even if they did they have no interest in adhering to said concepts.

    Try interrupting and dispersing a fullblood indig funeral in Lajamanu or Hermannsburg and see how far you get.

    Four highways in and out. For the normies. Countless tracks and heavily corrugated pieces of shit exist, and are used on the QLD, SA and WA borders. The NTPol Commish made some vague threats about ‘other measures’ used to identify border jumpers, but it’s shit and everyone knows it, including him.

    Why hasn’t it killed all the indig yet?

    And for that matter, why hasn’t it killed all the fake indig in the big southern cities? Are these people suddenly not indigenous?

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Huge fear of it here. Not from me. In personal terms although technically high risk I decided to take my chances. Day seven of isolation after re-entry and still well, fingers crossed.

    Epidemiologically, due caution was required by governments till the data became clearer. I said at the start that epidemiology is post hoc, by necessity. Now the picture is clearer restrictions can be slowly eased as the curve flattens and the danger to mainly the older population can be addressed.

  86. Twostix

    In this thread we now have the spectacle of boomers flippantly mocking the obvious and already previously proposed suggestion that the government is going to raid our super to pay the incredible debts and promises that it is wracking up right now.

    They aggressively HAHAHA mock because they see but choose to steadfastly refuse to accept that their mm deep moral crusade to save great granny from a cold now has real and serious negative consequences for millions of their children forever.

    So let’s get this clear: Government will shortly begin to raid our – as in Gen X and Gen Y’s super to pay for this spasm of madness.

    Within ten years super will be little better than government bonds, when we reach your age it’ll be little better than the pension.

  87. Archivist

    Still believe that China has grossly unreported infections and deaths as well as the miraculous end.

    I believe that as well. I’ve also been arguing with people here who dismissed it as ‘the flu.’ I have been worried about the virus for several weeks and believed it posed a major health risk.
    But one’s estimation of the threat of a particular disease doesn’t mean you’re on board with the government response.

    I was 100 percent in favour of a travel ban.

    But money printing is always a bad solution, and the draconian “don’t go for a walk on the beach” crackdown is just authoritarian indulgence.

  88. Geriatric Mayfly

    What a time to be alive for obsessive compulsives. Wash, scrub, spray, wash again, rinse and repeat and no need to visit the shrink.

  89. Herodotus

    Mark Steyn’s latest promotional email included this:
    “Welcome to the third self-isolated socially distant quarantined curfewed sheltered-in-place audio edition of The Mark Steyn Show with a Coronacopia of news and comment, but a few other diversions, including advice on your private parts from a bigshot imam … “

  90. Peter the old fossil

    If they go that path they will discover there aren’t “dollars lying around”, there are illiquid assets that cannot be converted at short notice into money. Even the nominal cash balances in the Super funds can’t all be drawn on the same day … it would be equivalent to a run on the banks.

    Tel, for one of the smartest guys on the blog you sure can be dumb sometimes.

    The kids come to me and want to borrow a hundred grand. I own a block worth a half a mil. We go see the bank manager and he arranges it. The bank ends up with a lien over my block, and the kids get a hundred grand worth of electrons in their bank account. The only physical movement of anything is my hand signing the paperwork. The bank doesn’t send around bulldozers and trucks to cart away half my block.

    The banks and the unions have three + trillion in various assets. They transfer the value of some of those assets to companies to build roads and stuff. The companies, in turn, transfer the value of some that money to the wukkas as wages. The wukkas in turn transfer the value of some of those wages to pay their bills and buy food and stuff.

    The only time it would come unstuck is if somebody in the electron conga line wants to convert their electrons into physical cash.

    Which is why we have to have the Cash Restrictions Bill in place first.

  91. Tel:

    If they go that path they will discover there aren’t “dollars lying around”, there are illiquid assets that cannot be converted at short notice into money.

    They’ll do what Adolf did – make the funds buy ‘Reconstruction Certificates’. Guaranteed by the State, mate – safe as houses. Probably pay something like 5%. Everything else will be paying -1%. People will flock to them -“See how the people support this move?” will be the cry from Canberra.
    But they’ll need to confiscate the firearms first.
    This will be the signal the looting is about to commence.
    This will be a looting that hasn’t been seen since Venezuela.

  92. shatterzzz

    Seems crime is on the wane in the UK the police have to fill in some how ..
    Easter .. we’re coming for you!

  93. notafan

    The magic of transfer.

  94. cohenite

    A couple of folks have linked to Cringe Panda’s videos about, particularly the alphabet people; and seen from the viewpoint of a precocious, ferociously intelligent young girl these creeps come across as the sick perverts they are; perverts with an agenda: to normalise their deviancy and undermine social norms: check out the freaks talking to school kids:

  95. rickw

    Absolute scandal…..will there be any accountability?

    There will be no accountability, however you will be droned, arrested for walking with your family, or going to the beach.

    Interesting that Canada and New Zealand has exactly the same story, draconian measures against citizens, gross lapses of Border Security.

    Either all these Governments are grossly incompetent, or they’re all working from the same playbook.

    Interesting that there are so few lapses and errors in the implementation of draconian measures against citizens.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bruce at 7.38 on astrophyisist curing his social isolation. Laugh of the day and still only 9.30.

  97. Anne

    RedPill.

    Why would the Vatican Audience Hall be shaped like a Snake.

  98. Mitch M.

    Epidemiologically, due caution was required by governments till the data became clearer. I said at the start that epidemiology is post hoc, by necessity. Now the picture is clearer restrictions can be slowly eased as the curve flattens and the danger to mainly the older population can be addressed.

    But Liz are lot of people aren’t getting that. I’m becoming rather annoyed at all these people proffering advice on how to handle this. Overnight so many seem to think they are experts in immunology and epidemiology. I’m no expert in those fields but I have just enough insight to know when ignorant people should stop pretending to be experts. Oh sorry I forgot, this is the age where everyone thinks experts are dumb asses.

  99. Mitch M.

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3385363, posted on March 31, 2020 at 9:03 am
    These viruses are beyond my understanding. As they are not living organisms (See Steve Kates above) but merely blobs of chemicals ie. molecules; how come they are invested with the compelling need to reproduce? There must be something at work here that elevates them above mere matter. PhD submission welcome.

    They are no more invested than prions( a single molecule) are to replicate themselves. They are not blobs of molecules, they are molecular machines that penetrate cell walls by various means, some even have a type of cell puncturing mechanism. Some have DNA, some have RNA, the latter can replicate via mRNA in our cells so don’t even need the genome. (Sorry about the technical references but too long to explain in plain language). CO-VID is an RNA virus so it doesn’t have DNA in its structure. Non RNA viruses have evolved to hijack the cellular DNA machinery to replicate, sometimes even implanting the codons into the DNA so the cell replicates the virus. A virus never replicates itself. The genomes of most organisms contains viral fragments, even in single cells. That has been going on for billions of years.

    Very mysterious as to their evolution but undoubtedly cardinal players in the evolution of species. The tobacco mosaic virus can be chopped up, placed in a broth, will spontaneously reassemble and then once again become an active virus. That is something at best I vaguely understand, it really just biochemistry so I can see how it can be explained but I lack the knowledge to precisely explain how it happens.

    No PH.D in this, that was done decades ago.

  100. notafan

    Oh shut up Anne.

    I’m so sick of your appalling rubbish.

    I won’t forget you slipping in the pope is a ped o slur the other day.

    I wish very much you would take your filthy lies and peddle them somewhere else.

  101. Some History

    Why would the Vatican Audience Hall be shaped like a Snake.

    It’s hissstoric?

  102. bespoke

    For those concerned I have not been reduced to eating boiled cabbage in some tacky attempt to be one of the little people. I have been assured by my fairy princes the freezer is full of meat and last night’s meal was described by her as “cholesterol issues on a plate” (egg’s, snags, bacon and chicken drum stick’s). 😎

  103. rickw

    A couple of folks have linked to Cringe Panda’s videos about, particularly the alphabet people; and seen from the viewpoint of a precocious, ferociously intelligent young girl these creeps come across as the sick perverts they are; perverts with an agenda: to normalise their deviancy and undermine social norms: check out the freaks talking to school kids:

    If you look at the faces of the children involved, you can conclude one thing:

    Children know Evil when they see it.

  104. Bojo has a Damascene conversion.

    Boris Johnson has stressed that “there really is such a thing as society” in a message released he is while self-isolating with Covid-19, in which he also revealed that 20,000 former NHS staff have returned to help battle the virus.

    The prime minister chose to contradict his Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher’s endorsement of pure individualism made in 1987, when the then PM told a magazine: “There is no such thing as society.”

    In his video message, Johnson said: “We are going to do it, we are going to do it together. One thing I think the coronavirus crisis has already proved is that there really is such a thing as society.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cringe Panda, a great kid responding to the woke super woke in urban Democrat Central schools.

    Intelligence and skepticism will out when the OTT becomes as bad as this kid has suffered it.

    A good antidote to Greta, and let’s hope Panda one day tackles the climate change hoax all kids are now getting in their ‘education’.

  106. Anne

    The Storm is Upon Us.

    The monsters are going down, right now.

    https://youtu.be/mx3iFWLvbj0 3mins

  107. News from GE –

    On Monday, General Electric factory workers walked off the job and demanded that the company convert its jet engine factories to make ventilators. Workers protested at GE’s Lynn, Massachusetts aviation facility held a silent protest, standing six feet apart. Union members at the company’s Boston headquarters also marched six feet apart, calling on the company to use its factories to help the country close its ventilator shortage amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    Probably not much of a demand for jet engines right now.

  108. Snoopy

    If this has been a long term “cunning plan” of vast complexity, it has made a real hash of the final implementation!

    What more proof do you need to confirm it’s a government conspiracy?

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bespoke, lucky for you that you manage to be tacky about me without descending to eating boiled cabbage. My ability to creatively produce delightful variety from one large cabbage is surely something I can be proud of? I suspect I have lived in far more ‘little people’ circumstances than you have ever experienced.

    Thus, allow me to fart in your general direction. 🙂

  110. Why would the Vatican Audience Hall be shaped like a Snake.

    I posted the video by the Kiwi dude expanding on this ages ago.
    Very,very disturbing.
    The Vatican fell in the 70’s!

  111. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Very mysterious as to their evolution but undoubtedly cardinal players in the evolution of species. The tobacco mosaic virus can be chopped up, placed in a broth, will spontaneously reassemble and then once again become an active virus. That is something at best I vaguely understand, it really just biochemistry so I can see how it can be explained but I lack the knowledge to precisely explain how it happens.

    differently shaped molecules have stronger or weaker attraction to other specific shaped compounds. once a molecule hits a self replicating mechanism it can persists and evolve, others just come and go based on stability and environmental factors. molecules can act like little machines adding another layer of action and quite complex behaviour.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Thanks Mitch. Consider your PhD refreshed.
    Very mysterious as to their evolution but undoubtedly cardinal players in the evolution of species.

    That’s what intrigues me. Which came first. The complex singe cell for the virus to exploit or the “molecular machines” themselves? Even ‘molecular machines’ as terminology leads me to think they are not totally inanimate. They appear to wander/float about with intent.

  113. Anne

    It should cause Christians to wonder, question even, why the Vatican Audience Hall is built inside and out, to resemble a Reptile.

    I know.

    Can you work it out?

    Pictures. 👇🏻 😳

    https://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/11/17/the-dark-secrets-behind-the-popes-audience-hall-its-a-giant-reptilian/

  114. notafan

    Gunner

    Another one enmeshed in stupid conspiracy theories vortex.

    #ibelieveeverythingireadontheinternet

  115. Megan

    So 4 years of very hard work to reduce the amount of steroid medication I take and to keep myself mobile are about to trashed by government edict. I have an autoimmune disease that causes considerable pain, which I can live with, and muscle and joint stiffness, which I can’t.
    In the space of a week my weekly hydrotherapy sessions have gone, my dancing for balance classes have ended, the daily hour on the tennis court removed and now I cannot take a walk or ride my bike in the open air. And my ostepath has shut down. My GP urged me last week to keep up the exercise but those options have all gone.
    Who can I go after if I end up bedridden? Who is protecting this boomer granny? I’m not an epidemiologist but I understand enough about change and it’s impacts on systems to be really afraid of the consequences of what the political and bureaucratic class are doing. Gen X and below seem to think everything will be as it was when ‘this’ is over and they can pick up where they left off. The couldn’t be more wrong. And that’s scarier to me than catching the virus.

    PS. I hate complaining about or using my illness as an excuse for special treatment. But the consequences of this ridiculous response could be real and permanent disabilty for many.

  116. Dr Faustus

    Coronavirus Australia: Bunnings, Kmart may join big name shops closing as social distancing hits retail industry

    Hardware and DIY giant Bunnings, Kmart and Ikea and several other warehouse style retailers may close their doors as the NSW Government moves to reduce infection risks.

    The Great Ironing will come when Morrison has to subsidise Bunnings et al to sell Pooh-Products because Bjerrycan.

  117. The Beer Whisperer

    It’s laughable that people think superfund are 100 percentage cash for grabbing.

    Not laughable at all when politicians describe your super as theirs.

    Considering the precedent of martial law, there’s absolutely nothing to stop them apart from really loud voices.

  118. Mark A

    Oh my God now she has flipped altogether.

  119. Good morning all.
    Reading the Hun about who gets the confetti thrown about by ScoMo and Frydenburg. A couple of points from who is eligible, la da da:

    – If you earn more than 1500 per fortnight and are still working, you will continue receiving your regular income, with 1500 subsidised by the Government.
    – If you earn less than 1500 a fortnight, your employer must pay you 1500 a fortnight.
    – Workers earning less than 1500 a fortnight will have their pay topped up from May.

    Now I am not a good economic decipherer of things like what has been released by the Government. But the first point seems a doozy. So a profitable business (for now) will have Government intervene and pay some of their employees wages? Is there any need to do this?
    And the second point, business being forced to cough up 1500 regardless per fortnight? How is that meant to keep a business viable? Again I am not a scholar in such things but does this seem an overreach?

  120. Shy Ted

    Morning all. Couple of things –
    The government isn’t subsidising anybody or anything, current and future taxpayers are.
    All these restrictions on our movements can only be rolling while ever “new” cases appear. New cases have to be contact-traced and the contacts have to be… and so on.
    A third thing – funny

  121. Anne

    Check out the Pope’s throne.

    It is positioned right between the fangs of the Serpent and in front of a massive sculpture of Lucifer.

  122. The Beer Whisperer

    notafan
    #3385419, posted on March 31, 2020 at 9:59 am
    Gunner

    Another one enmeshed in stupid conspiracy theories vortex.

    It’s either coincidence or deliberate. It reminds me of this scene.

  123. notafan

    No beery.

    I’m laughing at the magic of being able to transfer assets in some sort of magic barter system.

    My remaining super and share value had been completely trashed.

    I’m not even going to look.

    You cant take it if it’s not there.

  124. Fisky

    Dumb Labor MP lavishes praise on Xi.

    A NSW Labor MP, who once gave a speech declaring China needed a “new world order” to reach its potential, has praised President Xi Jinping’s “unswerving leadership” in handling the coronavirus crisis.

    “For the Peoples Republic of China, President Xi stepped up and provided that leadership. He mustered the resources of the nation and together with the great people of China – fought it and contained it,” Mr Moselmane wrote.

    Then we learn this –

    …Mr Moselmane has also taken nine privately-funded trips to China since entering Parliament in 2009, with disclosure records showing his transport and hospitality costs were often met by Chinese government officials or agencies.

    Haha they’ve got the tapes. Just like Shanghai Sam!

  125. So nobody can go to work or outside in general, tourism is dead, Uni’s are closed but somehow public transport is still running a full service. There are fleets of empty buses driving around Sydney, trains arriving with 3 people on them and the Snail Rail, which was empty before COVID, is still crawling up and down George Street like a geriatric in a Trabant scooter.

    They haven’t even implemented holiday services.

    Looks like some workers are more equal than others – namely the Unionised public sector.

    Seriously, what is Gladys afraid of? A bloody strike?

  126. calli

    Well, that’s a relief.

    Swan has tested negative.

  127. notafan

    Just go away you loonie tune.

  128. Dr Faustus

    In Glorious Emperor Pooh Conquers US Covid19 news:

    Beijing’s malls still empty after coronavirus lockdown lifted

    Shoppers in Beijing continue to stay away from malls in the Chinese capital even though the city had reported only one new locally transmitted coronavirus case over the two weeks ending March 27, 2020. The South China Morning Post spoke with the owner of two hamburger restaurants inside Beijing shopping centres, who says she is struggling to stay in business even though the Covid-19 outbreak seems to be easing.

    What happens when your subjects aren’t brain-dead.

  129. calli

    You can go for a walk. You should go for a walk.

    They closed the golf course today. Now I can walk around and say hello to the kangaroos without the threat of being brained.

  130. notafan

    People have actual real life issues to deal with without you dropping nasty little poison pills every few minutes.

    You just want this forum to look like a complete loony bin.

  131. Boambee John

    The prime minister chose to contradict his Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher’s endorsement of pure individualism made in 1987, when the then PM told a magazine: “There is no such thing as society.”

    Again the seagull knowingly chooses to quote Thatcher out of context.

    I pity the poor PhD supervisor, having to check every quote for correct context!

  132. cohenite

    Dumb Labor MP lavishes praise on Xi.
    A NSW Labor MP, who once gave a speech declaring China needed a “new world order” to reach its potential, has praised President Xi Jinping’s “unswerving leadership” in handling the coronavirus crisis.
    “For the Peoples Republic of China, President Xi stepped up and provided that leadership. He mustered the resources of the nation and together with the great people of China – fought it and contained it,” Mr Moselmane wrote.
    Then we learn this –
    …Mr Moselmane has also taken nine privately-funded trips to China since entering Parliament in 2009, with disclosure records showing his transport and hospitality costs were often met by Chinese government officials or agencies.

    Dumb he may be but he’s not a fool. What hasn’t this fucker been charged with treason and shot.

  133. Anne

    For centuries good hearted, God fearing Christians have been deceived by this Satanic, Babylonian, child sacr1f1cing, idol worshipping cult.

    It’s time to wake up.

    Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    Rev 18:4

  134. My GP urged me last week to keep up the exercise but those options have all gone.

    That’s difficult.
    I had two gym sessions and an hour in the pool weekly prior to the shutdown.
    To compensate I’m doing the following –
    1. Daily sessions on the stationery bike to maintain cardio vascular fitness.
    2. Reproducing as many of the gym circuits at home as I can, at exactly the same time I used to do them routinely. Fortunately I have equipment (weights and bands) available.
    3. Walking the dog daily. She’s a very active heeler, so needs the exercise as much as I do.
    I go to the lengths of dressing in my gym gear each time. It preserves the mental, as well as the physical routine.
    The only part I can’t reproduce is the swimming.
    Whatever you do, don’t give the exercise away.
    Any reason you can’t continue to walk or ride your bike?
    Do what you can when you can.

  135. Fisky

    Shanghai shuts down major indoor tourist spots – like the Shanghai Tower and Oriental Pearl – after closing cinemas again. This will be blamed on foreigners and it will get ugly.

  136. Yes of course Shy Ted re the taxpayer.

  137. BrettW

    Mr Rusty,
    If they have not reduced their trips might even find some still getting overtime ! Same will apply to other states.

    “So nobody can go to work or outside in general, tourism is dead, Uni’s are closed but somehow public transport is still running a full service. There are fleets of empty buses driving around Sydney, trains arriving with 3 people on them and the Snail Rail, which was empty before COVID, is still crawling up and down George Street like a geriatric in a Trabant scooter.

    They haven’t even implemented holiday services.

    Looks like some workers are more equal than others – namely the Unionised public sector.

    Seriously, what is Gladys afraid of? A bloody strike?”

  138. BrettW

    Daily Mail has top story about Melbourne warehouse stocked with goods to send to China which was apparently mentioned in a Current Affair.

    However not clear from article how recent pictures are.

  139. Peter the old fossil

    Not laughable at all when politicians describe your super as theirs.

    Beery, they do that because technically it IS theirs.
    Legally, super comes out of your wages as a tax, and in theory becomes part of general revenue.
    The only bit you have any legal claim to is whatever it earns while they “loan” it back to you via your super fund. And that’s the bit that is liable for all the tax.

  140. Geriatric Mayfly

    Something behind the paywall about QATAR airline up to tricks. Most nights, Emirates, Etihad and Qatar grind on their way, nose to tail, above my joint, 10 mins out from lift-off. Only Qatar has done the run on recent nights.

  141. Anne

    And what’s with the Jesuit Oath.

    It’s horrifically violent and swears complete submission to one MAN.

    I can post it in full if you like.

    It can be summed up by the Latin phrase- Perinde ac cadaver. “Corpselike at the Pope’s will”. 😳

  142. cohenite

    No one gives rats arse troll. Why don’t you go and bench press your fridge.

  143. The Beer Whisperer

    They closed the golf course today.

    They’ve closed all of the golf courses.

    The sport is basically perfect for social distancing. Despotic AND stupid is a bad mix.

    But it serves the golfers right for not fighting for it with a winning hand.

  144. What Thatcher actually said (your link).

    “They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours.”

    What I posted –

    The prime minister chose to contradict his Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher’s endorsement of pure individualism made in 1987, when the then PM told a magazine: “There is no such thing as society.”

    The quote is accurate, and context is totally irrelevant to the meaning.

    Although this could be applied to the current situation –

    And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours.”

    Which is precisely what social isolation involves.

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cabbage soup will surely finish off the last of that huge vegetable. Last night we had leftover nicely pink roast lamb and my Gravox gravy with some very fresh Woollies sweet corn and crunchy snow peas, with some fried potato.

    Delicious!

    All washed down with my quinine-laced G & T and a glass of Dan’s readily-available red.

    Hairy got his Dan’s order in as soon as we returned in case, as he says, the bastards stop you buying any more. I agreed, in order to protect the better bottles we have laid down from any desperado raiding. Tho’ there’s always the Duty Free gin and bourbon we waltzed home with. 🙂

  146. No one gives rats arse troll. Why don’t you go and bench press your fridge.

    Piss off.
    I was talking to Megan.

  147. cohenite

    Anne, what sort of snake is that?

    If the pope is satan what are the RoP?

  148. Fisky

    Uh oh, not another one?? This bloke has form too!

    Ross Cameron
    @RossCameron4
    It has been argued that China must not be allowed to rewrite history #COVID19. I prefer that the Chinese are allowed to change the ending, which is what they seem to be attempting, as Chinese data, doctors, masks and ventilators move to hotspots around the globe.

  149. calli

    But it serves the golfers right for not fighting for it with a winning hand.

    They did fight here to keep open. One to a buggy, two per fairway, no entering the pro-shop, staggered starts.

    I suppose if some suffer, all must suffer, however ridiculous. My guess is that Golf Australia was leaned on.

    It’s about power.

  150. Fisky

    It’s clear that Beijing has a LOT of tapes on file and now they are calling in their “favours”. Not surprised to see NSW politicians overrepresented.

  151. cohenite

    I was talking to Megan.

    No one gives a rats troll.

    Piss off.

    Feeling feisty after your work out are you troll. Roids kicking in. Good for the heart, those things. Let’s hope you overdose. Bastard.

  152. bespoke

    Wrong again but expected. 😎

  153. mc

    No more guns and ammo available in Vic…

  154. A mate’s wife is a nurse in SA and reports that her hospital has let some casual nurses go, mostly in elective surgery. Meanwhile everyone else is standing around waiting for an apparent flood of patients, only barely anyone has arrived.

    Over the weekend they had more people admitted to ICU for attempted suicide than actual COVID cases. Apparently the attempted suicides were owing to fears of COVID.

  155. Fisky

    It’s only a matter of time before Shanghai Sam resurfaces and denounces evil waythithst Australians for not kowtowing enough before Emperor Xi.

  156. mc

    No more guns and ammo available in Vic…

    for the plebs any way

  157. Ed Case

    Golf going the way of lawn bowls and croquet. Old peoples game that no one takes up anymore.
    Golf links heavy users of herbicide and pesticide, oldsters need to avoid exposure to that stuff atm.
    Iirc David Graham became sensitised to chemicals from years of touring, suffered poor health and had to give it away.

  158. mc

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/live-coronavirus-victoria-updates-france-records-more-than-3000-deaths-enforcement-of-victoria-s-stage-3-restrictions-begins-20200330-p54ffy.html#p50727
    Gun sales banned after rush on firearms, ammunition 
    By Anthony Colangelo
    People can no longer buy guns or ammunition in Victoria, effective immediately, for the duration of the COVID-19 emergency.
    The new regulations to quell the sale of firearms and ammunition in Victoria, which have spiked amid the coronavirus pandemic.
    Applications for firearms have doubled recently, police said.
    WATCH LIVE below: Police Minister and Deputy Commissioner addressing the media
    “There is no need to be stockpiling firearms,” Victoria Police deputy commissioner Shane Patton said.
    New laws will restrict the sale of ammunition and guns for recreational and sport shooters.
    Those with a clear “occupational” need for firearms can still access guns and ammunition for these purposes.

  159. Tel

    … as Chinese data, doctors, masks and ventilators move to hotspots around the globe.

    I would presume that the doctors, masks and ventilators are as top notch as the Chinese data they have been providing!

  160. Boambee John

    Daily sessions on the stationery bike t

    Made from reams of paper?

    Piss off.
    I was talking to Megan.

    Seagull getting the sh1ts? Hardly unusual, seagulls sh1t everywhere, all of the time!

  161. Sinclair Davidson

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

  162. Val Majkus

    Megan, there’s lots of stuff you can do at home … here’s one site https://www.crunch.com.au/ … you have to have Peak or Summit membership to get access to the free online Peak is $14.95 a week … another link ; just google exercise at home and you’ll find lots

  163. Dr Faustus

    Daily Mail has top story about Melbourne warehouse stocked with goods to send to China which was apparently mentioned in a Current Affair.

    From happier days, mid 2019, their ABC reports in detail on the ‘daiguo channel’:

    There are now some 1,000 Chinese specialty stores and logistics companies across Australia that have made massive business out of handling retail and shipping for the lucrative industry.

    Systematic shortages in supermarkets are no biggie for governments focussed on what really counts: ‘short walks’, beaches, golf courses and dog parks.
    Presumably the daiguo are all practicing healthy distancing.

    Social credit being expended at a rate of knots.

  164. Old School Conservative

    context is totally irrelevant to the meaning

    That’s a keeper Bob.

  165. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has a deeper hidden meaning, so I have been told. The remainder of the poem might reveal that very point .for those interested.

    Snake
    BY D. H. LAWRENCE
    A snake came to my water-trough
    On a hot, hot day, and I in pyjamas for the heat,
    To drink there.

    In the deep, strange-scented shade of the great dark carob tree
    I came down the steps with my pitcher
    And must wait, must stand and wait, for there he was at the trough
    before me.

    He reached down from a fissure in the earth-wall in the gloom
    And trailed his yellow-brown slackness soft-bellied down, over
    the edge of the stone trough
    And rested his throat upon the stone bottom,
    And where the water had dripped from the tap, in a small clearness,
    He sipped with his straight mouth,
    Softly drank through his straight gums, into his slack long body,
    Silently.

    Someone was before me at my water-trough,
    And I, like a second-comer, waiting.

  166. Infidel Tiger

    Ross Cameron never saw a Dictatorship he didn’t want to suck off.

    That classicism liberalism for you.

  167. Infidel Tiger

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    Under what law?

  168. Boambee John

    Fisky
    #3385466, posted on March 31, 2020 at 10:24 am
    Uh oh, not another one?? This bloke has form too!

    Ross Cameron
    @RossCameron4
    It has been argued that China must not be allowed to rewrite history #COVID19. I prefer that the Chinese are allowed to change the ending, which is what they seem to be attempting, as Chinese data, doctors, masks and ventilators move to hotspots around the globe.

    Can someone on Twatter remind this twat that some of the masks and test kits (at the very least, who knows what else) have been found to be sub-standard by the nations which purchased them from China. This was not an act of charity, it was fraud and theft.

  169. rickw

    No more guns and ammo available in Vic…

    for the plebs any way

    From Dictator Dan or the Police Communist?

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    .egan, is it true that in Vic you can’t walk out or bike-ride? My exercise too, swims and dancing, and Hairy’s gym have gone kaput, but we are still hoping to walk the local area and clifftops when our quarantine ends in a week or so. Meantime we are doing some desultory home weights and I am dangerous with my skipping rope. Perhaps simple exercise is still possible for you and if you have a bath, fill it deep and relax.

    The lack of usual physical activity is more than an inconvenience for people with your needs though. Sending you best wishes now.

  171. Nick

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    They should have been on a cruise instead

  172. MatrixTransform

    context is totally irrelevant to the meaning

    more dissembling post-modern gibber

    there is nothing in its head but noise

    swat the fly and dirty the tea towel?

    nah let it die banging its pea-brain against the glass

  173. stackja

    Sinc – Young can’t count? FM radio not informing the young?

  174. rickw

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    Wow, a full day after the cock suckers finally managed to implement thermal screening for international arrivals.

  175. Peter the old fossil

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    Good morning Doomlord. Welcome to the future.

  176. cohenite

    New laws will restrict the sale of ammunition and guns for recreational and sport shooters.

    New and permanent laws will restrict the sale of ammunition and guns for recreational and sport shooters.

    One bullet per gun; one gun per million citizens.

    What a shithole this country is.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Megan, ne of my dance groups is offering online classes to do at home. I might try them, but the buzz of being with the others is not easily replaced. And Hairy will laugh, smirky little horror that he can be re my efforts at times. I will repay in kind when he starts puffing at his home gym, and might even make some points of style correction, which he will just love to hear. 🙂

  178. Johno

    I don’t know if anyone else has posted about this,but how come A Current Affair can show warehouses shipping medical supplies to China,90 tonnes in one instance, and our Governments won’t do anything about it? Our medical staff are short of essential supplies and we send it overseas to people who hate us?

    Don’t go to the beach but give us a hand to ship this will you?

  179. woolfe

    My self managed super is now 100% cash. Will keep it like that for minimum of 6 months.

  180. Peter the old fossil

    Under what law?

    Don’t be silly, IT.
    Actual laws are so yesterday.

  181. stackja

    I have access to several flights of internal stairs. Up and down exercise.

  182. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Presumably taxi drivers are exempt from the car person fine? Or not? Single person journeys only.

    Sinc’s daughter’s friend should appeal. This is draconian when rules re cars are not clear.

  183. rickw

    New laws will restrict the sale of ammunition and guns for recreational and sport shooters.

    The real power grab is ON!

    Anyone got a link? I couldn’t find anything?

  184. Peter the old fossil

    My self managed super is now 100% cash. Will keep it like that for minimum of 6 months.

    Good plan, Woolfe.
    Also make sure you withdraw the $20,000 grand on offer and keep it as cash somewhere safe.

  185. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yep we have fifteen stairs up to our front door, fit for purpose as not shared with anyone but us.

    I can even receive visitors standing briefly at the top while they wait below, further along a walkway.

  186. bespoke

    Infidel Tiger
    #3385500, posted on March 31, 2020 at 10:40 am
    Ross Cameron never saw a Dictatorship he didn’t want to suck off.

    His romanticised description of Rome being the model for high density living was the turning point for me.

    It was a shit hole for the plebs who had to be escorted to the circus though overflowing crap and crooks.

    No a serious thinker.
    I fart in his direction because I know it stinks. 😎

  187. thefrollickingmole

    The prime minister chose to contradict his Conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher’s endorsement of pure individualism made in 1987, when the then PM told a magazine: “There is no such thing as society.”

    The quote is accurate, and context is totally irrelevant to the meaning.

    The difference between yelling “fire” in a burning theater and “fire” at a horde of advancing Zulus being lost on the monomaniac in chief.

    I go to the lengths of dressing in my gym gear each time.

    Gay.
    Very, very, gay.

  188. candy

    Social isolation leads to mental illness in the best of times let alone with the financial and health threats hanging over people.
    I have noticed people looking suspiciously each other if they appear to be too close or cough slightly and to not converse. So I think there’s some paranoia there too.

    It’s a kind of repression not that I think our government meant it that way but it’s odd no doctors are talking about this aspect. Expect to see claims for depression, psychological problems, PTSD when this ends (if).

  189. Knuckle Dragger

    Really truly, I don’t believe the various States’ public health acts and the Feds’ Biosecurity Act were intended for this.

    Because if they were, to use the current terminology they’d be in lockstep with each other. And they’re not.

    But by Christ they’re making a pretty good fist of making people’s lives an unnecessary misery.

  190. Oh sorry I forgot, this is the age where everyone thinks experts are dumb asses.

    Do you think that might have something to do with climate experts?

    Science has little credibility. Thanks to climate scamsters.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d be fighting that $1000 fine, by the way.

    Loads and loads of ways to skin a cat.

    Screeching about government plans to enslave the people isn’t one of them, though.

  192. Tel

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    She should have mentioned that everyone in the car is a doctor.

    Always explain how the legal loophole works … that’s very important.

  193. areff

    Hand sanitiser is for sissies. Try Granma’s Lye Soap:

  194. Stimpson J. Cat

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    Yes but if they were Women shopping they would have spent $1000 on shoes.
    Be honest.

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘dressing in my gym gear

    Wouldn’t the cord on your dressing gown be a trip hazard?

  196. notafan

    In Victoria you can walk, jog, run and cycle.

    Just be in groups of two or less.

    I saw dozens just now when I went for coffee (in my car)

  197. Infidel Tiger

    China Flu should be the nail in the coffin of high density living.

    Look at the destruction it is reaping in cities and how it has left the suburbs, gardens and countryside alone.

    The reaper has come for the dog boxes and the inner city filth.

  198. areff

    Do you think that might have something to do with climate experts?

    Guess what! Until the Xi virus came along, Lord of the Lockdown, Dr Brendan Murphy, was a climate emergency spruiker. The man has a history getting a bit over-excited

  199. mc

    rickw
    https://www.police.vic.gov.au/firearms-industry-news

    Temporary changes to firearm and ammunition regulations

    Following a decision by National Cabinet, the Licensing and Regulation Division has been advised there will be a suspension of all firearm transactions including the sale, hire and loan of firearms and ammunition for the reasons of Sport or Target Shooting, Clay Target Shooting and Recreational hunting.

    This suspension, effective immediately, will remain for the duration of the COVID-19 emergency.

    Those with a genuine need for access to ammunition and firearms for a clear occupational requirement, will be able to continue to access firearms and ammunition for these purposes.

    We understand this change has evolved suddenly, however, we would appreciate your cooperation and continued support during these uncertain times.

    Please contact the Licensing and Regulation Division if you have further concerns.

    Mate’s permit to acquire arrived today. Went to shop to pick up rifle already paid for…nuh, can’t have it.

  200. So we have a confirmed Class A idiot advising a government of Class A idiots.
    That will work out well.

  201. woolfe

    ABC perth presenter says on Twitter most people will shake off. Expecting him to now disappear. Not approved thought.

    Geoff Hutchison
    @GeoffHutchison

    Relieved today to finally reveal that young Hugh was diagnosed with and has since recovered from …Covid 19 in Istanbul.

    He is quite well and tells me he no longer wears a bell.

    Just a reminder to our
    @abcperth
    audience that most people will shake this off.

  202. Anne

    Would you like to understand the QAnon Military Intelligence Operation?

    👇🏻

    https://youtu.be/Lpi1GH8M4_A 14 mins

  203. Roger

    Look at the destruction it is reaping in cities and how it has left the suburbs, gardens and countryside alone.

    Xi virus may not have reached the countryside but the economic impact has. Drove through three small towns nearby yesterday in a drive through the country side to brighten the spirits – shops shut, pubs reduced to takeaways only (not hugely popular outside the urban context, I’d imagine) and streets deserted. This will be the death knell for some of these places.

  204. cohenite

    This suspension, effective immediately, will remain for the duration of the COVID-19 emergency.

    Sure.

  205. Peter the old fossil

    47 of the top 50 stories on ABC latest news online are morona virus panicdemic related.
    Ho hum. Business as usual.

    Gun sales now banned in all states, not just VIC.
    Ho hum. Business as usual.

    Deaths halted and no new cases of positive testing in WA – but even more restrictions announced.
    Ho hum. Business as usual.

    But it’s okay folks, it’s all just a big mistake – overreaction by the pollies, bungling and incompetence.
    It will all be sorted out by Christmas and everything will back to normal.
    Just ask Nota, or Knuckles, or Mark A, or indeed most of your fellow Cats.

  206. NoFixedAddress

    Tel
    #3385534, posted on March 31, 2020 at 10:57 am

    For information: My 19-year old advises me that one of her friends was driving a car with two passengers – not from the same household – and got fined $1000 yesterday.

    She should have mentioned that everyone in the car is a doctor.

    Always explain how the legal loophole works … that’s very important.

    I think the ticket writing cop will be in a lot of trouble.

    He didn’t issue tickets to the 2 passengers for not maintaining 1.5 metre social distance.

    Poor form!

  207. Anne

    Stimpy:

    Putin going after the Rich!!!!

    It is my firm belief that Putin and Xi are working with Trump to bring down the New World Order.

  208. thefrollickingmole

    Good to see Moloch is focusing on the big issues..
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/later-gestation-abortions-hit-by-australias-coronavirus-travel-restrictions
    Travel restrictions and isolation requirements due to Covid-19 have left doctors unable to fly interstate to perform later gestation abortions, prompting anurgent call for assistance.

    The travel restrictions had especially affected a later gestation clinic in Victoria, which provides services to women whose lives may be at risk by continuing with the pregnancy or in cases of severe foetal abnormalities, according to the national not-for-profit sexual and reproductive health organisation Marie Stopes.

    Marie Stopes Australia’s director of policy, Jacquie O’Brien, said doctors for this clinic were based in South Australia and flew to Victoria.

    “Unfortunately they are not able to any more, due to restrictions on the South Australian side, as they would need to quarantine for 14 days,” O’Brien said. “So, we have decreased the gestation limit from 24 weeks to 20 weeks.”

    The doctors can not afford to quarantine when they get back to South Australia as they also provide services in their home state. They are trained provide the service up to 24 weeks’ gestation. There are very limited numbers of specialised doctors who can provide these terminations, making it hard for clinics to fill the gap with other staff.

  209. Peter the old fossil

    This will be the death knell for some of these places.

    No, Roger, you must have it all wrong. Why only a few minutes ago IT was explaining how it would be the death knell of the inner cities.

    With both the high density inner cities deserted, and the regional towns dead, it’s going to get bloody crowded in the suburbs.

  210. Anne

    My phone has the hashtag #StayHome next to the Carrier name.

    Just when I’m out of cream for my coffee. 😏

  211. Harlequin Decline

    Finally some sense coming from the media. A journo has managed to stitch together some relevant facts, opinions and figures which go someway to explaining the disparate statistics.

    In the Australian today an article entitled Coronavirus Europe death rate starts to level off

    Statisticians are looking to Germany for clues as to what the virus outcome might be.

    Italy’s numbers appear worryingly high, but experts say that is because every person who dies with coronavirus is recorded as dying from it.

    “Only 12 per cent of death certificates (of people listed as dying from coronavirus) have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” said Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s health ministry.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.’’

    He said while 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, the other 88 per cent of deaths had least one comorbidity – and many had two or three. Each year in Italy there are 17,000 deaths from influenza.

    In Germany, on the other hand, any underlying health conditions – often heart disease – are usually noted as the cause of death, rather than the coronavirus.

    Germany has also tested a broader spectrum of the population – including children and those who showed the mildest of symptoms at the earliest stages, including contacts of known infections – rather than the Italian and British methods of mainly testing the very sick who have been hospitalised.

    Germany says they have found 63,000 infections, of which there have been 545 deaths, a death rate of 7 per 1m population.

    In Italy their 11,000 deaths equates to around 178 deaths per 1m of population.

    Australia’s rate per 1m of population is 0.7 and the UK’s is 18. Spain is 157.

    The age profile of infections also illustrates how Germany has tested a wider age range of the population than others – its median age of those infected is 46.

    Eight in ten Germans with the disease are under 60 and are able to withstand the virus much more robustly. In Italy the median age is 63, in the UK it is 64. But again, in Italy and the UK the figures reflect the median age of the very ill coronavirus patients, and isn’t indicative of the infections throughout the whole country.

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    It is my firm belief that Putin and Xi are working with Trump to bring down the New World Order.

    Yes yes Trust the Plan, etc etc.

    You don’t need to convince anyone Annie.
    If you believe it that’s enough.
    Don’t waste your time trying to persuade other people.
    Just look after yourself for now and stay safe please.

  213. thefrollickingmole

    New fred, all the cool cats are there.

  214. Megan

    Lizzie, our dance teacher has just post some very self conscious tap routines for us to do at home. I’m grateful…tap has been the best thing I have done to improve ankle strength and maintain good balance. If the Sicilian Prince utters a single snicker it will be instant banishment to the far reaches of the garden for him. I may not let him back in.

  215. Megan

    Posted…bloody autoconfuse has been utterly ridiculous in replacing the perfectly good words I’ve chosen to some nonsense only it understands. Stick to fixing my typos, you unintelligent construct.

  216. Dr Faustus

    In Hamster Wheel news:

    The Treasurer said while it would take generations to pay off the debt the Government would incur, it was essential in unprecedented times.

    “I’m obviously very conscious of the debt burden that will be shouldered by generations to come,” he said.

    But that is why having a responsible fiscal position is so important.

    The next set of similarly ‘unprecedented times’ is, what, four years away? Five?

  217. calli

    Someone up thread said that walking the gold course would be bad for my health.

  218. EvilElvis


    Check it out.
    What the Actual Fk?

    Frigging random.

    I’ll tell you what though, Anne has been trotting along ok for the week but MV just made a late run this morning and was looking good.

    Boom! Anne drops the mic!

    C’mon MV! Anne’s getting you. Who will win the hearts and minds of those of us who can’t make sense of any of this shit?

  219. EvilElvis

    And the banner is now ‘V’!

    Shits on!

  220. calli

    I’m not in on all this fancy signalling, being an old frightened grannie and all.

    What’s the significance of “V”?

  221. bespoke

    V for vendetta or V as in the lizard people have landed( both movie references).

  222. calli

    Another tragedy.

    I can’t see them burning what is, essentially, their money.

  223. bespoke

    EvilElvis
    Anne hasn’t topped “all your cash has been rendered useless …… but get it out now”

  224. Arky

    Archivist
    #3385372, posted on March 31, 2020 at 9:14 am
    Still believe that China has grossly unreported infections and deaths as well as the miraculous end.

    I believe that as well. I’ve also been arguing with people here who dismissed it as ‘the flu.’ I have been worried about the virus for several weeks and believed it posed a major health risk.
    But one’s estimation of the threat of a particular disease doesn’t mean you’re on board with the government response.

    I was 100 percent in favour of a travel ban.

    But money printing is always a bad solution, and the draconian “don’t go for a walk on the beach” crackdown is just authoritarian indulgence.

    ..
    Perfectly expressed.

  225. BrettW:

    “So nobody can go to work or outside in general, tourism is dead, Uni’s are closed but somehow public transport is still running a full service. There are fleets of empty buses driving around Sydney, trains arriving with 3 people on them and the Snail Rail, which was empty before COVID, is still crawling up and down George Street like a geriatric in a Trabant scooter.

    So the entire economy has turned into a Chinese Fire Drill.

  226. Knuckle Dragger:

    Loads and loads of ways to skin a cat.

    There are more ways to skin a cat than by stuffing its arse with butter.
    Winstons mum.

  227. Bar Beach Swimmer

    OldOzzie
    #3385323, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Spectator US – MEDIA MATTERS

    Thank you

  228. amortiser

    Iirc David Graham became sensitised to chemicals from years of touring, suffered poor health and had to give it away.

    That’s what can happen when you lick your b*lls.

  229. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Nota,
    Also, thank you for linking what Margaret Thatcher actually said – bears repeating for those who didn’t check the link – This is the full quote with a link:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/context-for-margaret-thatchers-there-is-no-such-thing-as-society-remarks

    ‘I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first… There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.’

    The person who quoted the first part only has form on verballing others. But while he did it again this morning with Maggie, he is just unthinkingly following the Left playbook. As such he has no insight to offer.

    As to what Maggie said and our current situation. The government’s decision to lockdown the economy has, through no fault of their own, caused millions of workers & businesses to enter a precarious existence. Alas, the government must now pick up the tab for there is no alternative.

  230. IT:

    Is anyone bothering to recycle at the moment?

    I’m keeping all my jars for Molotov Cocktails.

  231. Bar Beach Swimmer

    KD, earlier this morning you pointed to a poster who made you chuckle. Last night the same thing happened to me, although I have to admit I couldn’t stop laughing. That post directly followed but was independent of another. Together, they were priceless, so I responded:

    I am reposting

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3385105, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:11 pm
    mh
    #3384897, posted on March 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm
    Message to MSM: Nobody gives a flying fuck about people in quarantine. Or maybe it’s just me? Does anyone here care about someone staying in a hotel for 2 weeks?

    MatrixTransform
    #3384898, posted on March 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm
    The missus reckons that it all makes sense when you realise that Gov’t are actually trying to get us killed

    If the govt are trying to get me killed, then I’m not at all interested in people staying in motel rooms for 2 weeks. And that’s final!

  232. Mullumhillbilly

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3385363, posted on March 31, 2020 at 9:03 am
    These viruses are beyond my understanding. As they are not living organisms (See Steve Kates above) but merely blobs of chemicals ie. molecules; how come they are invested with the compelling need to reproduce? There must be something at work here that elevates them above mere matter. PhD submission welcome.

    Clay crystals have a similar drive to reproduce
    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160823-the-idea-that-life-began-as-clay-crystals-is-50-years-old

  233. Bruce

    @Farner Gez:

    “Mauna Loa CO2 reading are up 4ppm (28/3) from this time last year despite the dramatic drop in economic activity brought about by C-19.”

    I’ve actually been to Mauna Loa a few times in the last couple of decades.

    It’s a volcano. It is constantly venting all manner of gases, CO2 among them.. The summit is above the tree-line and so, like everywhere else on the planet, there is naturally less CO2 present at those altitudes.

    The gas sensors at various locations around the Big Island were put there to monitor changes in volcanic out-gassing, not some alleged Human-induced variations. The original purpose was to track changes in the quantity and mix ratios of what is CONSTANTLY coming out of the ground. This was, and still is, intended to refine any patterns that precede actual eruptions. The currently very active Kilauea, on the same island, is littered with gas sensors and seismic goodies for the same reason. Ditto every other volcano and geothermal region in the USA. Things got VERY real after Mount. St. Helens cut loose.

  234. egg_

    The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibiotics cannot kill what is not alive.

    A parasite that requires a host to reproduce is not alive?

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