This is not essential

The video is from Peter Hitchens: There’s powerful evidence this Great Panic is foolish, yet our freedom is still broken and our economy crippled.

Most people will, by now, have viewed the online film of Metropolitan police officers bellowing officiously at sunbathers on Shepherd’s Bush Green in London, energetically stamping out the foul crime of lying on the grass (would they have paid so much attention, two weeks ago, to a gaggle of louts making an unpleasant noise, or to marijuana smokers?).

Others will have seen the films, taken by Derbyshire police drones, of lonely walkers on the remote, empty hills, publicly pillorying them for not obeying the regulations. It is genuinely hard to see what damage these walkers have done.

But as a former resident of the USSR, I can tell you that this sort of endless meddling by petty authority in the details of life, reinforced by narks, is normal in unfree societies – such as we have now become for an indefinite period. It is, by the way, also a seedbed for corruption.

Meanwhile, our economy is still crippled, and the overpraised Chancellor Rishi Sunak, like some beaming Dr Feelgood with a case full of dodgy stimulants, seeks to soothe the pain by huge injections of funny money.

And there is now the great retreat from all the alarmism.

Crucially, those who began by claiming that we faced half a million deaths from the coronavirus in this country have now greatly lowered their estimate. Professor Neil Ferguson was one of those largely responsible for the original panic. He or others from Imperial college have twice revised his terrifying prophecy, first to fewer than 20,000 and then on Friday to 5,700.

He says intensive care units will probably cope. And he conceded a point made by critics of the panic policy – that two-thirds of people who die from coronavirus in the next nine months would most likely have died this year from other causes.

There is then also “the publication early last week of a rival view, from distinguished scientists at Oxford University, led by Sunetra Gupta, Professor of theoretical epidemiology? It suggests that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment.”

If you want to see this ended anytime soon, cut non-essential public service wages by 25% so that we can “all share in the sacrifice”. 

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28 Responses to This is not essential

  1. littledozer

    Trump announced this morning that he received a study based on US data from the field that showed the do nothing approach is estimated to cost 2.2 million lives in the US on 60% infected that’s 1.2%, 70% .97% death rate.

  2. Hay Stockard

    Told youse it was a nothing burger. Hasn’t mitigated the tyranny though.

  3. bollux

    Trump is getting advice from Fauci who is working with Moderna [pharma] to develop a vaccine which would make around $375 billion a year profit if the WHO has it’s way with compulsory vaccination for all. Plenty of evidence now that Chlorquine is very effective and has been around for 75 years or so, despite Fauci saying it hasn’t been tested enough. Big Pharma funds about 60-70% 0f the MSM in the States. Just follow the money, as always. Respiratory deaths in Europe were much worse in 2017. No panic then.

  4. JohnJJJ

    Has anyone got real information on how it is transmitted i.e. caught? Is it breath or physical contact? It would be nice the know the reality, not a press guess, as I pass quite a few joggers.

  5. Docket62

    Is it breath or physical contact?

    Same as the bloody Flu. Droplets from sneezes, contact on surfaces… Nothing is transmitted by breath unless you’re inhaling the water vapor in the breath, and if you’re that close…….

  6. Anthony

    Plenty of evidence now that Chlorquine is very effective and has been around for 75 years or so, despite Fauci saying it hasn’t been tested enough.

    There is evidence, done under very trying circumstances in China that it may work, or at least not make Covid-19 worse. It hasn’t been tested enough – no of double blind, randomized trials completed yet that I am aware of. Hydroxychloroquine is where it is at though – should be more effective and less side effects than chloroquine.

    Has anyone got real information on how it is transmitted i.e. caught? Is it breath or physical contact? It would be nice the know the reality, not a press guess, as I pass quite a few joggers.

    Not really no.

    But, because it is a respiratory disease similar to SARS, then respiratory droplets coming out of mouths and noses is probably similar to cold/flu viruses. I.e. airway expulsion of droplets is probably more contingent on the host. There are diseases (like measles) where the viral particles hang around and infect bloody everyone, but it seems this is not that level of infectiousness.

    The 1.5m rule is probably a good minimum distance that reduces the probability of infection. That said, as I was telling students I work with: standing 1.5m apart is fine… except you are all yelling and laughing the entire conversation, expelling droplets further. If you add in other factors like wind etc, then droplets can travel further. If droplets do land on you, then in your regular colds/flu viruses, then touching your face tends to move the virus from your skin into your mucous membranes.

  7. Shorter Hitchens: Isolation enforcement during a pandemic is fascism. Instead, we should let the old, sick and weak just die.

  8. Up The Workers!

    Damn!

    Whenever Sad Sack Apocalyptic Catastropharianists come up with the latest killer catastrophy-de-jour, mere facts always get in the way and prevent the utterly unavoidable Armageddon which the best of Socialist carpet-bagging rhetoric and modelling says we will inevitably have.

    If the facts don’t match the dogma, then the facts must be wrong.

    Dodgy Dan’s blackshirts are hauling bathers off the almost-deserted beaches where the social distancing is around one person to the 5 hectares. What diseases will you catch on an almost-deserted beach at a density of one person to 5 hectares, that you won’t catch in a crowded, enclosed supermarket at 1.5 metres between shoppers?

    Has Dodgy Dan banned Leftard Union meetings; Leftard protest marches and morbidly obese Leftard “Extinction Rebellion” ferals from super-gluing themselves to the road-pavement as a cosmetic enhancement?

    Have we heard yet how much the $46,000.00 richer Dodgy Dan is cutting his own massive taxpayer-funded salary, lurks, perks, schemes and scams by?

    Hundreds of thousands of innocent taxpayers out of work, but $46,000.00 richer Dodgy Dan and his Merry Men all still vigorously trough-snouting for all they are worth.

    Labor(sic) – it’s like Mensa for Morons!

  9. Only when Federal and State Governments and Councils look at cutting their wages bills will we know we are all in this together.

    The country is going into massive debt while non essential staff get full pay and Super.

    “If you want to see this ended anytime soon, cut non-essential public service wages by 25% so that we can “all share in the sacrifice”.

  10. Mother Lode

    Shorter Hitchens: Isolation enforcement during a pandemic is fascism.

    You night want to listen to Peter Hitchens here. Go to 2:55.

  11. JohnJJJ

    Same as the bloody Flu. Droplets from sneezes, contact on surfaces… Nothing is transmitted by breath unless you’re inhaling the water vapor in the breath

    Thank you for your opinion. So just let me get this right TB can spread by breath but C-virus can’t.
    https://www.cdc.gov/tb/topic/basics/howtbspreads.htm
    And you know that for a fact, of course.

  12. Alan

    To me, it looks like we’re not going back to normal:
    MIT Review – “Social distancing is here to stay for much more than a few weeks. It will upend our way of life, in some ways forever.”

  13. nfw

    JohnJJJ have you looked up what a “corona-virus” is? The Common Cold is a corona-virus. Look up corona-virus, it’s a generic name.

  14. Crossie

    I listened to James Delingpole interview Peter Hitchens about this and Peter raised an interesting point. What was the normal daily death rate for a country and what is it now? Are the same number of people dying but with the presence of COVID-19 and if not then what is the difference?

  15. Crossie

    Alan
    #3384127, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:53 am
    To me, it looks like we’re not going back to normal:
    MIT Review – “Social distancing is here to stay for much more than a few weeks. It will upend our way of life, in some ways forever.”

    I can understand that and it’s probably not a bad thing. The same was probably true for some time after the Spanish Flu and over time people do go back to normal.

  16. JohnJJJ

    JohnJJJ have you looked up what a “corona-virus” is? The Common Cold is a corona-virus. Look up corona-virus, it’s a generic name.
    As you seem to know then:
    Is there any study or proof to show that the C virus does or does not travel by breath. Even if it is colloidal water droplets in the breath?

  17. Chris M

    The 1.5m rule is probably a good minimum distance… except you are all yelling and laughing the entire conversation, expelling droplets further…. then touching your face tends to move the virus from your skin into your mucous membranes.

    I think this is very true. Coughing / sneezing 8m + away indoors but then it get circulated by air currents. Droplets are also expelled when singing and speaking (or yelling) so 1.5m is minimum. Guy in Sydney claims he got from friend talking opposites sides of a dining table. The thing missing is your eyes are an open mucous membrane and are susceptible to airborne virus and bacteria.

  18. JohnJJJ

    Anthony
    #3384040, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:05 am
    except you are all yelling and laughing the entire conversation, expelling droplets further. If you add in other factors like wind etc, then droplets can travel further.
    .
    Thank you Anthony for a reasonable answer. I see plenty of people jogging and, of course, breathing heavily. They seem to assume that they can do this close by as they run past. Since the emphasis has been on coughing and sneezing, they don’t see any problem. Interesting.

  19. The Beer Whisperer

    It suggests that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment.”

    Wait, isn’t that the estimate for actual dead people from the seasonal flu?

    If mere hospitalisation, then it is LESS dangerous than the flu.

    Therefore, we can look forward to being in quarantine for six months every year, forever.

  20. The Beer Whisperer

    Screw it, I’m redoing it to make sense.

    It suggests that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment.”

    Wait, isn’t that the estimate for actual dead people from the seasonal flu?

    If mere hospitalisation, then it is LESS dangerous than the flu.

    Therefore, we can look forward to being in quarantine for six months every year, forever.

  21. The Beer Whisperer

    m0nty
    #3384070, posted on March 30, 2020 at 11:17 am
    Shorter Hitchens: Isolation enforcement during a pandemic is fascism. Instead, we should let the old, sick and weak just die.

    Yes, Muttley, some guy walking over a hill all alone is going to miraculously kill old and weak people, just by walking over a hill all alone.

  22. Docket62

    Thank you for your opinion. So just let me get this right TB can spread by breath but C-virus can’t.

    So you ask a question you appear to have researched but still cant quite decide if you understand? Breath’ per se, is not the transmittable medium. the water vapor contained in heated air expelled from the lungs is what carries the bacteria. Wind is not a transmittable medium, but what’s IN it, may well be.

    i would have thought a year 6 could have worked that out.

  23. Docket62

    oh and JohnJJJ… I’ve had this 7 weeks ago. It’s worse than a cold but no where near influenza, which I’ve also had. Like most people, no testing conducted, treated it like any other virus you pick up, stayed home, didn’t give it to others etc. common basic practices. The bed welters out there need a dose of the flu to get some perspective on this.

  24. Hay Stockard

    Monty is running scared. It’s no longer funny when he fears he might get the lurgy.

  25. Yarpos

    Reminds me off the IPCC repeatedly trying to realign with a reality that ignores their ill conceived fantasy

  26. Yarpos

    Docket62, had it weeks ago but not tested, so in reality you dont know what you had.

  27. Squirrel

    Eerily reminiscent of the hunt/chase sequence towards the end of Fahrenheit 451.

    Why that country still bothers to celebrate victory over the European fascists is beyond me.

  28. David Brewer

    Crossie:

    What was the normal daily death rate for a country and what is it now?

    Australian death rate stats here. Roughly 400 people a day die in Australia, about 8 of them from influenza or pneumonia. So far, coronavirus has been adding between 0 and 3 a day to this total. No wonder we have shut down the Australian economy and society. Can’t be too careful, you know…

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