Moral Distancing


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33 Responses to Moral Distancing

  1. Hay Stockard

    Gladys is a worry. A stupid megalomaniac who is way out of her depth. I doubt she is destined to be much longer the Dear Leader of the State.

  2. stackja

    Why were people on the Ruby Princess?

  3. Hay Stockard

    For a cruise Stackja. For a,cruise. The clue is in what type of a vessel it is.
    Happy to help.

  4. Iain Russell

    Did Our Glad personally authorise the disembarkation? I think not. The bureaucrats, in whatever guise, who did authorise the disaster need to be punished, as do all the other fat cat fat arsed skummers who have repeatedly kocked up all this summer. Sorry, I just woke up. Must have been dreaming.

  5. rickw

    When this is all done. There needs to be an enquiring into Governments gross mismanagement of border protections. Pretty much seems like if you turned you got let in, even if you had a raging fever and were coughing up chunks. Nice on morons.

  6. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Gladly is in charge of both the bureaucrats and the worthless waste of space minister that looks after the health portfolio and the worthless waste of space minister that manages border protection. People have died because of their huge blunder and they should be held responsible as being culpable of manslaughter. The grubs are all still in their jobs in spite of their massive failure to manage the Ruby Princess debacle. The sooner Gladdy is gone the better.

  7. mundi

    This is even bigger than you think….

    The *prior* cruise to the one disembarked also now has over 137 people testing positive.

  8. Pyrmonter

    Leaving the ship moored in Sydney Harbour, a petrie dish in which infection was spreading would have achieved what, exactly? If anything, the number of deaths (if any – none have been reported so far) related to the ship’s arrival has been reduced by allowing passengers to leave the ship and move into isolation, and stop either infecting further passengers or being infected by some common source (presumably the kitchens or plumbing).

  9. Yarpos

    Shch is the life of an imperfect leader, unlike the commentariat who can everything right in every situation.

    We better inform the Army that if they lose one batlle then we give up on the war in future.

  10. John Comnenus

    Imagine a private company, through its negligence, caused about 5% of all of Australia’s COVID 19 cases. Can you imagine the pile on. Directors would be jailed, the company fined to oblivion, the people involved plastered all over the front pages and all led by our politicians and public servants.

    Now when a public servant does it……..crickets.

    Everyday this crisis exposes who our real overlords are – Public servants.

  11. Petros

    Let’s not forget the Qld premier allowing the council elections to go ahead. No doubt James Morrow will hold her to account in a similar vein.

  12. nfw

    Dear Yarpos, in English please. But as for the Commentariat, that would be the ABC too?

  13. Tel

    If anything, the number of deaths (if any – none have been reported so far) related to the ship’s arrival has been reduced by allowing passengers to leave the ship and move into isolation, …

    One small problem: the passengers did not go into isolation.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/aboard-the-ruby-princess-how-one-cruise-spawned-a-covid-19-outbreak-20200323-p54d2f.html

    Here’s a tip, have a read about what happened so you are up to speed.

  14. Docket62

    A stupid megalomaniac who is way out of her depth.

    I agree she is way out of her depth, but not a megalomaniac….. she has been caught with her ministers pant down when they failed utterly to control their borders. Border Force, Customs and Ministers should be publicly flogged (not literally) for the systemic failure in performing the jobs they are paid to do. All should forfeit jobs and chunks of their super.

  15. Crossie

    Hay Stockard
    #3385178, posted on March 31, 2020 at 1:40 am
    Gladys is a worry. A stupid megalomaniac who is way out of her depth. I doubt she is destined to be much longer the Dear Leader of the State.

    The sad part is that there is nobody there to take her place that is better.

    As for Ruby Princess passengers, they should all have been quarantined upon disembarkation. Why blame them when nobody is blaming air arrivals who were simply waved through until recently. At fault is federal government who are in charge of border control.

  16. Archivist

    Gladys is as dumb as a plank.

  17. Brian May

    Get back to sleep, Iain.

  18. The ship Ruby Princess was still here as of yesterday anchored off Botany unloading sick crew.

    Another, the Voyager of the Seas was lurking near Eden to unload pestilence then was diverted to Sydney. There could be others.

  19. mark jones

    Bureaucrats! Read a book and take on the plot as your own idea. The terrorist act a few years ago made the bureaucrats come up with the idea that a piece of plastic would identify the good people from the bad. Just like in the MAD version of Apocalypse Now! The scene of the guy waterski-ing behind the plastic patrol boat..”Whats he doing? reply..”He’s on anti-submarine patrol” But the North Vietnamese do not have submarines”…”Pretty effective, isn’t he” AVIDs @ $100 per year and MSIC @$50.00 per year protect our air and sea borders from terrorists. Lock-down will become the new idea that will stick..until the entire economy collapses…then we all get a kerosene bath! Just love the ideas of unaccountable public service.

    Nobody should be allowed into public service until they have worked in the real world for at least twenty years.

  20. shatterzzz

    My youngest daughter came back from SE Asia (Vietnam) day after lockdown came into effect .. said no checks health-wise at Mascot just the usual re-entry procedure in place ..

  21. Hay Stockard

    Crosstie,
    It is the State Health Department that clears cruise ship arrivals from disease. This is another one that our Glad owns.

  22. Terry

    The “rools”, responsibility and accountability are for little people.

    Go to the beach: fine, arrested, publicly shamed.

    Fail to diligently perform the function you are receiving tax dollars for: ah, em, oh well. Whatevs. Shouldn’t you be self-isolating under threat of state violence rather than asking me difficult questions? Be gone Pleb! This largesse ain’t gonna just hoover itself you know.

  23. H B Bear

    In Australia corona virus is entirely an imported disease of tourists and “paper” Australians.

  24. Boambee John

    People have died because of their huge blunder and they should be held responsible as being culpable of manslaughter. T

    Bunty

    Are there industrial manslaughter laws in NSW? Good opportunity here for an opportunistic lawyer!

  25. Viva

    Such is the life of an imperfect leader,

    She’s a manager not a leader.

  26. Bushkid

    Meanwhile, here in Qld, even fossicking is now banned. If there’s one activity that more or less guarantees social isolation fossicking would be it. Out in the open air, under the sun and all that good ol’ UV, working on your own so nobody else picks up on your find, working in your own licensed area…. Some of this stuff really is going much too far.

    As for shutting gun shops and any business that also sells ammunition along with other necessary goods – e.g. stock feeds, other farm equipment necessities etc. – why not just prevent the sale of that ammunition and let them continue to serve the needs of rural people and agriculture? These businesses sell and service everything from chook feed to animal medications to generators and other agricultural implements. Their stores are generally not overcrowded like supermarkets.

    Common sense seems to have totally left the building. OK, so some idiots are being idiots and always will be, but FFS, the vast majority are doing “the right thing”.

  27. Bushkid

    Petros
    #3385311, posted on March 31, 2020 at 8:25 am
    Let’s not forget the Qld premier allowing the council elections to go ahead. No doubt James Morrow will hold her to account in a similar vein.

    Not just “allowing”, but insisting!

  28. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From stackja at 1:45 am:

    “Why were people on the Ruby Princess?”

    Don’t be ridiculous stackja, you are interrupting interminable whingeing at Catallaxy, about John Howard or something.

    Perhaps they are vying for the Paul Parker award? – honoring the courageous volunteer fireman from Nelligen (dole bludgers paradise) who bravely swore like a sewer rat at Scott Morrison from a couple of thousand kilometres away on national television, and later lied in a Channel 10 interview that he had been booted from the local firefighters volunteer branch. A muscular performance that.

    “Ruby Princess … after setting off on an 11-day voyage on March 8 …”

    On March 8 the international score was 109,991 coronavirus cases and 3,827 punters stiff and cold as maggots. The Diamond Princess had been docked for 5 days after rattling up an impressive 712 infected (19.2% of the nongs on board) and 7 dead-uns.

    It was on the news. They couldn’t have missed it before choosing to go ahead and volunteer for a jolly good dose of the infection themselves. They even had tourists before the cameras sobbing that keeping them separate, to prevent them infecting the world, violated their individual rights. Fabulously dumb.

    Why did the ship’s captain not phone the health authorities himself as he sailed up Sydney Harbour, to recommend they test the poxy leagues club poker machine addicts before disembarking – and ringing someone higher up when they gave him the wrong answer? After witnessing the Diamond Princess case did Princess Cruises issue a directive “set no-one ashore without testing”? If not, why not?

    Why did the public servants from Customs or Immigration or the prettily named Border Force not set up a barricade, a doctor’s desk and a truck to the migrant centre at the end of the gangway?

    The passengers claim the right to wander about freely no matter what threat is self evident in the world around them.

    When the threat crystallises they flop on their backsides and demand that mongrel Howard dispatch Air Force 1, 2 and 3 to ferry them back to Werribee, for free. With a soldier in uniform to carry their bags I see.

    The public servants are otherwise unemployable, largely overweight lards of sheilas with arms as big as my thighs and a ready snarl when they sight a male. They do little work and take “intimidated leave” or “confronted leave” if anyone asks them to. Public expectations are not supported by the evidence.

    The public servants union fiercely protects its members against erosion of their right to perform abysmally and any offence to their imagined dignity.

    The experts here rail every day about the impudence of governments stealing their lollies … and about governments doing nothing to stop people hoarding lollies.

    I have no admiration for the Liberal branch of the Labor Party but all this is the fault of Premier Gladys Unpronouncable?

    Some galah up the page calls her a “megalomaniac”. She’s anything but! Timid, always appearing like a rabbit caught in the headlights.

    The best her mob could offer previously was the idiot son of a block headed, stunted minister in the Greiner government, Bruce Baird. After he supervised the slaughter by NSW police of Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson he stuck around for a bit, to bathe in the warm afterglow of his handiwork, then resigned to embrace well deserved obscurity. Gladys Bjakuflytvich, a party headquarters clerk from age 23, was all they had to replace him. Just like the majority of appalling Australian managers she assiduously avoids making decisions.

    If she was a megalomaniac “Border Force” Commissioner Michael Outram would be out of a job for publicly criticising her and her health department head would be on the Centrelink queue too, for lying to her that his people had acted properly.

    Lord help the locals if Melbourne CBD was flattened in a high wind and Alan Stretton strode into the room to fix it by first bellowing “Lead, follow or get out of the way!” Catallaxy would want to immediately form a libertarian committee to workshop whether an order from a Federal fellow had standing in a State context, strutting about to impress each other, imitating Geoffrey Robertson.

  29. Hay Stockard

    Mick Gold Coast Queensland,
    Who are you calling a galah you maroon.
    You can’t even get your facts right and don’t seem to know there is amFederal as well as State governments.
    Get your facts right before gratuitously insulting other posters you pig ignorant internet hardman
    Why is it the dumbest are the most strident? Mind you I would be snappy in isolation stuck in a Gold Coast dog box with nothing to drink but Xxxx gold.

  30. Diogenes

    Mick,

    Why did the ship’s captain not phone the health authorities himself as he sailed up Sydney Harbour, to recommend they test the poxy leagues club poker machine addicts before disembarking – and ringing someone higher up when they gave him the wrong answer? After witnessing the Diamond Princess case did Princess Cruises issue a directive “set no-one ashore without testing”? If not, why not?

    Why did the public servants from Customs or Immig

    The Captain tolds the Feds the truth (MARS) and apparently lied to the NSW Port Authorities.
    Borderforce only had 6(!) staff to met the ship & did what Borderfarce do – check immigration status & that we are not bringing in more than our duty free allowance illegal food, timber, feathers, shells etc.

    NSW Health were responsible for clearing passengers to land. Given what had happened on the Diamond Princess even blind Freddie would have sent a large team to meet the ship & test every passenger getting off – or put them into enforced isolation. …

    Heads should be on pikes for this but there is this little note in the Public Health Act 2010

    Note. Consequently, it is an offence under that Act to obstruct or hinder the Minister administering that Act in the exercise of any such function (section 40), and no proceedings may be brought against any person (including the Crown) as a consequence of any damage, loss, death or injury arising from the exercise of any such function (section 41).

    and these little gems

    Section 2 Part 7 (3) Without limiting subsection (2), an order may declare any part of the State to be a public health risk area and, in that event, may contain such directions as the Minister considers necessary—
    (a) to reduce or remove any risk to public health in the area, and
    (b) to segregate or isolate inhabitants of the area, and
    (c) to prevent, or conditionally permit, access to the area.
    (4) An order must be published in the Gazette as soon as practicable after it is made, but failure to do so does not invalidate the order.

    Part 2 Section 9 Power to deal with public health risks arising from conduct of public authorities(cf 1991 Act, s 9)
    (1) This section applies if the Minister considers that, because of an act or omission of a public authority, or of any person acting on behalf of a public authority, a situation has arisen that is, or is likely to be, a risk to public health.
    (2) In these circumstances, the Minister may, by order in writing served on the public authority or the chief executive officer (however described) of the authority, direct the public authority or the chief executive officer to take specified action to minimise or rectify any adverse consequences of the act or omission.
    (3) If a public authority or the chief executive officer (however described) of a public authority considers that, for any reason, a situation has arisen that is, or is likely to be, a risk to public health, the public authority or chief executive officer is to notify the Minister of that fact.

    They remind me of this …

    Article 3: Laws enacted by the Reich government shall be issued by the Chancellor and announced in the Reich Gazette. They shall take effect on the day following the announcement, unless they prescribe a different date. Articles 68 to 77 of the constitution do not apply to laws enacted by the Reich government.

    Heil Berejiklian

  31. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Diogenes at 2:40 pm :

    Diogenes,

    Thank you – the Parliamentary draughtsman surely spread his wings in knocking up that fine effort. I smiled at the extent of ground seized.

    Now, Gladys might not fully appreciate the grand opportunities the Act offers. The bureaucrats most assuredly do.

    The government may make laws, about stuff. In its sole discretion …. Heil Berejiklian indeed.

    In days long ago if a Federal public servant had a crack in public at a Premier, as that Customs bloke did, Gerry Gleeson would be on the phone to John Menadue suggesting his goon be appointed to protect the jetty steps at Heard Island, and Menadue would have accommodated that.

    Then and now there is no reason why Federal and State government agencies cannot cooperate to achieve what both governments must achieve to protect or advance the interests of the people. I know that because I have done that.

    Today the minister, the departmental head and so on must first seek written approval from Freehills or Minters or Smith, Jones, Smith and Jones.

    The solicitors and barristers made their strongest surge to gain a position of power in the ‘80s citing, inter alia, “due diligence”.

    The majority of today’s members and senators have some educational qualification in the law. Together with the Law Society they have created the most powerful closed shop trade union in the country and we now have incompetence and inertia in the bureaucracy, which suits that lot down to the ground – all that lovely loot at $750 per hour plus disbursements.

  32. Squirrel

    I’m looking forward to a racy, commando-style resolution to the flotilla of mega-Petri-dishes lurking off the NSW coast – which would be a really neat way of distracting the punters from the ongoing toilet paper drought and from life under the virus Stasi…….

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