Tuesday Forum: March 31, 2020

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  1. Peter the old fossil

    I am concerned that the number of suicides may actually exceed those who die as a direct consequence of the Xi virus.

    I think that’s a safe bet, Speedbox, even taking into account your amendment.
    In fact, I think we may have passed that point already.

  2. candy

    and no proceedings may be brought against any person (including the Crown) as a consequence of any damage, loss, death or injury arising from the exercise of any such function (section 41).

    what about thalidomide?

  3. Peter the old fossil

    Christ on a Segway. Have we declared martial law yet?

    It hasn’t been declared as such, Knuckles.
    But in practice it has applied for over a week now.

  4. Boambee John

    and no proceedings may be brought against any person (including the Crown) as a consequence of any damage, loss, death or injury arising from the exercise of any such function (section 41).

    Does the “exercise of any such function” imply “competent exercise”? Get a judge whose investment fund collapsed because of this and it indeed might! Judges can often find implications.

  5. feelthebern

    The Public Health Act seems to be unconstitutional.
    So the Minister approves the use of asbestos.
    He/she can’t get sued?

  6. rickw

    Dr Quay hopes the combination will either prevent patients from having to go on ventilators or can wean them off of the machines.

    I’m building a ventilator this weekend using parts purchased from Ebay. Cost has been about $80 so far, need about 1ft of 6” PVC pipe and some end caps to finish:

    1). Manual ventilator unit – $38
    2). Programmable 12V timer switch – $12
    3). 1/4” BSP 3 way 12V solenoid valve – $10

    Energy source is a 40 Litre cheapy air compressor regulated down to about 5psi. Would run for a good while with power off.

  7. Mitch M.

    Neuroscience needs some new ideas

    Sadly all too true. Apparently doing science involves digging around culture to find ideas to explain mysteries.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    Gray Connolly
    @GrayConnolly

    #LockThemUp
    “Sure, NSW cannot stop viral cruise passengers coming ashore but heaven help you if you so much as dare read a book outside”

    https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1244828959105155072

  9. cohenite

    Anyone heard about the gay cruise that’s been at sea for 3 weeks?
    It’s not a joke.

    That boat will be full of seamen.

    FMD. Give yourself an uppercut stalker.

  10. rickw

    #LockThemUp

    I like that! To bad I’m banned from Twitter!

  11. cohenite

    NoFixedAddress
    #3385806, posted on March 31, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    That’s funny.

  12. feelthebern

    The Pillow Guy in the US retooled his production lines within 3 days to make masks.
    The Statists would be horrified that kind of innovation can occur.
    To them, it should take a month to file the paper work with the clip board carriers.

  13. Farmer Gez

    Interesting stats in the NOAA reading of CO2 at Mauna Loa.

    These are the growth rates of CO2 concentrations each year. What are these sudden drops in some years? There is one for the 2008 GFC year, which I was looking for, but these are curiously bigger.

    1991 1.04
    1992 0.46
    1993 1.35

    2005 2.54
    2006 1.68
    2007 2.27

    There are many cases of dips of a full 1% between years for no apparent reason.

  14. Peter the old fossil

    So the Minister approves the use of asbestos.

    Asbestos pipes are still used as mains water pipes in most major cities across Australia. And not just the old ones – replacement pipe, when needed, is the same material.

  15. Some History

    For families with very young children, has self-isolation come to this?

    https://imgur.com/KHdWmTg

  16. Kneel

    ” NSW.
    96,446 tests.
    1918 confirmed cases.
    Of that 1918, 1185 were imported.
    Of that 1185, 177 came from the Ruby Princess.
    PS, the population of NSW is 8.1mill.

    Of those 1918 cases:
    – 157 are in hospital, of which
    – 26 are in ICU, of which
    – 13 are on ventilators.

    So 1716 are are at home with either mild or no symptoms.

    If 50% of infections are asymptomatic or sub-clinical (ie, 50% don’t know or have such mild symptoms they ignore it) you can double the 96k.
    If, as the data seems to suggest, that should be more like 80 or 90% there could be 1 million already infected.

    Of the 157, how many have pre-existing conditions that Covid made worse, rather than just Covid putting them there? Same question of the 26 and 13.

    Look, I’m 57 and a smoker, so probably high risk. But you know what? I don’t want the govt spending money we don’t have and making such anti-freedom laws just to protect me from a risk I can likely mitigate better myself anyway (if I so chose). FMD, you think anyone my age wants to see the next two generations burdened by massive debt and having a lifestyle worse than mine, just so I can live a few extra years? You really think anyone >60 is that selfish? Where’s the cry of “inter-generational justice” now?

  17. cohenite

    Twitter Forces Laura Ingraham to Delete Post on Chloroquine Helping Coronavirus Patients

    She got the name of the hospital wrong. No one seems to be running twitter but whoever made that decision needs to be shot; not that I’m advocating violence.

  18. Peter the old fossil

    it should take a month to file the paper work with the clip board carriers.

    You forgot the environmental impact report.

  19. Daisy

    [email protected] 3.08pm
    Also heard last night on the bbc world service there have been some trials on using CPAP machines. They were getting good results for patients pre ventilation stage. Mercedes are getting in to production of the machines – they say it could be another game changer.
    I think jc was talking the other day about CPAPs and ventilators – what was the difference

  20. JC

    The Pillow Guy in the US retooled his production lines within 3 days to make masks.
    The Statists would be horrified that kind of innovation can occur.
    To them, it should take a month to file the paper work with the clip board carriers.

    I think he may be the pillows equivalent of Frank Walker from National Tiles. Every freaking 4th ad on US TV is possibly this dude selling stupid pillows or sheets. He shouldn’t be going to the podium, the fucker should be in jail for blanketing TV with his swill ads. Fuck him and fuck Trump for giving the swine more publicity.

  21. Peter the old fossil

    FMD, you think anyone my age wants to see the next two generations burdened by massive debt and having a lifestyle worse than mine, just so I can live a few extra years? You really think anyone >60 is that selfish? Where’s the cry of “inter-generational justice” now?

    Well said Kneel.
    You speak for many of us “oldies”.

  22. dopey

    Virgin Australia: Up 13.8% to $0.09 Market Mover

  23. rickw

    I think he may be the pillows equivalent of Frank Walker from National Tiles.

    Are you dissing Frank?!!

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Virgin Australia: Up 13.8% to $0.09 Market Mover

    Qantas and Virgin must be nationalized and then resold at a huge profit.

    Alan Joyce must be deported.

  25. cohenite

    Every freaking 4th ad on US TV is possibly this dude selling stupid pillows or sheets.

    Pillows remind me of you head prefect.

  26. JC

    Are you dissing Frank?!!

    Yes. Not Catallaxy Frank, radio Frank. The biggest troll on radio.

  27. Struth

    statisticians are looking to Germany for clues as to what the virus outcome might be.

    Italy’s numbers appear worryingly high, but experts say that is because every person who dies with coronavirus is recorded as dying from it.

    “Only 12 per cent of death certificates (of people listed as dying from coronavirus) have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” said Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s health ministry.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.’’

    He said while 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, the other 88 per cent of deaths had least one comorbidity – and many had two or three. Each year in Italy there are 17,000 deaths from influenza.

    In Germany, on the other hand, any underlying health conditions – often heart disease – are usually noted as the cause of death, rather than the coronavirus.

    Well, well, Nota.

    As I tried to tell you, you don’t know what people died of, you don’t know world wide who is dying from it or anything else.
    Do not act too cool for school now.
    You were breathless about Italy’s figures.
    Propaganda.

    The oh so “too cool for school” brigade that now claims to have always seen through the propaganda, and were cynical all along were nothing of the kind.

    A cynic is not a conspiracy theorist, as I was accused of being.
    A cynic doesn’t believe everything he is told at face value and then shits himself if it is scary, which many did here, from Notafan, to Boris G (quoting children’s websites) and Archivist, and many others, allowing government to gain time and consent to hold us under Martial Law, when it was important to not cop their bullshit the instant they tried it.
    Virtue signalling and true fear were to be seen on this blog by many who should have known better, and be stuffed if I’m putting up with the “cool” act now.
    Notafan backtracks and states “we should work out another way of coping with this virus”

    Go ahead notafan, because “we” don’t have a say anymore, a fact you don’t, and others here, don’t seem to be grasping.

  28. Sean

    Doomsday Covid-19 predictor model:

    29/3 – 3936 for actual 3105
    30/3 – 4361 for actual 3723
    31/3 – 5474
    1/4 – 5805
    2/4 – 6008
    3/4 – 5238
    4/4 – 4808

    I think we are getting slightly better outcomes now so I’m downgrading from 4/4. Still approx 8-9% of ‘confirmed’ cases have ended up in deaths in March.

  29. Peter the old fossil

    I have been meaning to ask – Has anyone heard from Salvatore?
    I can’t recall anything from him since Sunday before last, when he learned he had to close his tavern. He’d already had most of his motel forward bookings cancelled, and had laid off all of his staff.

    He sounded pretty down and I’ve been a bit worried about him.
    Anybody know anything?

  30. twostix

    and no proceedings may be brought against any person (including the Crown) as a consequence of any damage, loss, death or injury arising from the exercise of any such function (section 41).

    None of this is a problem at all! The same class of people who are dead-set certain that over population and Global warming is going to end humanity as we know it have total power to act against the public with complete impunity.

  31. egg_

    You really think anyone >60 is that selfish? Where’s the cry of “inter-generational justice” now?

    Facebook ijiots want to save their Grannies!
    We’re catering to Kochie’s LIV audience.

  32. Speedbox

    Article on RT regarding Sweden. Linked but this is the guts of it.

    Sweden says no to quarantine – is this the most reckless or the most proportionate Covid-19 response in the West?

    With most of Europe imposing extraordinary restrictions to slow the spread of coronavirus, Sweden has left its citizens surprisingly free. Are Swedes rolling the dice with their public health, or is everyone else overreacting?

    As most of Europe clamps down in a bid to slow the spread of Covid-19, one country is bucking the trend. Sweden is taking a markedly more liberal approach to combatting the virus. Despite its closest neighbours, Denmark and Norway, shutting down all but essential services, Swedes remain free to socialise as the harsh Scandinavian winter comes to an end. Although universities and high schools have shut, pre-schools, kindergartens, bars, restaurants, ski resorts, sports clubs and hairdressers have all remained open.

    The streets of Stockholm and Malmo are noticeably quieter than usual, but positively bustling compared to those of Copenhagen, Oslo, London, Paris and Rome. Standing in bars is banned but as long as punters can find a seat they’re free to enjoy a night out. Other steps taken include gatherings of more than 50 people being banned and the over 70s being urged to self-isolate.

    With the exception of Belarus, which hasn’t even suspended its football league, Sweden’s restrictions amount to the most relaxed out there. This has prompted observers both in and outside the country to wonder if they are playing fast and loose with the nation’s health or taking the most proportionate response in the West. Prime minister Stefan Lofven has warned that times ahead would be tough but also put the onus on individual Swedes. He added: “We all, as individuals, have to take responsibility. We can’t legislate and ban everything.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/484515-sweden-covid-no-lockdown/

  33. Dr Faustus

    A powerful and moving message from Meghan and Harry:

    “What’s most important right now is the health and wellbeing of everyone across the globe and finding solutions for the many issues that have presented themselves as a result of this pandemic,” they wrote.

    “As we all find the part we are to play in this global shift and changing of habits, we are focusing this new chapter to understand how we can best contribute.”

    They’ve got our backs.
    #elephantshow

  34. egg_

    approx 8-9% of ‘confirmed’ cases have ended up in deaths in March.

    Would have died of the flu, anyway?

  35. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3385994, posted on March 31, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    Virgin Australia: Up 13.8% to $0.09 Market Mover

    Qantas and Virgin must be nationalized and then resold at a huge profit.

    Alan Joyce must be deported.

    He should be deported as all foreigners should be, however the little Irish fuck is an excellent airline CEO. He’s ruthless too. See how he fired nearly all the staff before anyone even thought of it. He was then trying to place them out at Coles and Woolies as shelf stackers.

    Artie

    Quaintarse is in the top 5 best airlines in the world without a doubt. I says we give him another 5 years and then deport the little fuck.

  36. Kneel

    “I think he may be the pillows equivalent of Frank Walker from National Tiles.”

    Here ya go:
    “For the best nights sleep in the whole wide world,
    visit my dildo pillow dot com”

    (if you’ve ever had that ad in your head, use the strike-out version – it’ll make you smile instead of groan)

    Anyway, the guy sells products people want and are prepared to pay for. He makes a lot of money from it. Good for him. Now he’s prepared to re-do his factories to help in a crisis, and you think he’s a bad person? Or are you only concerned because DJT saw it and wanted to make sure the info is widely available to show private companies can help?

  37. Infidel Tiger

    He should be deported as all foreigners should be, however the little Irish fuck is an excellent airline CEO.

    That is absolutely untrue.

    He’s run the fleet into the ground.

    Created fake value with share buybacks.

    Rent seeked.

    And destroyed the morale of the employees and lost all the carriers prestige.

  38. NoFixedAddress

    An interesting site with free books, lectures, movies, whatever to while away the time your locked indoors.

    http://www.openculture.com/2016/08/enter-an-archive-of-6000-historical-childrens-books-all-digitized-and-free-to-read-online.html

  39. JC

    Kneel

    I don’t care how many pillow biters buy his products. You can be for free enterprise to the point of anything goes like me and still have the opinion that the pillow fuck is the most annoying troll on US TV. My only hope is that he doesn’t come here.

  40. OldOzzie

    Make America Autarkic Again

    Autarky, for those unfamiliar, was an economic and industrial policy of self-reliance wherein a nation need not rely on international trade for its economic survival. This is not to say that said nation rejected international trade or isolated itself from the global economic order, rather that it merely could survive on its own if necessary.

    Though it has a long history, the concept of autarky saw a flourishing in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. In the early days of the American republic, Alexander Hamilton advocated for a limited measure of autarky. Hamiltonian autarky—or industrial self-reliance—aimed to protect weak American industries from foreign manipulation by the likes Great Britain and France. Today, we must look to protect what remains of American industry from the manipulations of state-backed industrial sectors in China.

  41. feelthebern

    JC, if you weren’t happy with your pillow just send it back.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    it should take a month to file the paper work with the clip board carriers.

    You forgot the environmental impact report.

    And the ethics clearance, and the diversity approval.

  43. twostix

    The term Holodomor emphasises the famine’s man-made and intentional aspects, such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement.

    Never forget that tens of thousands of well mannered and educated distant bureaucrats, public officials and local public servants, all acting with total impunity were involved in “accidentally” implementing and carrying out a set of disparate policies “Each of them may seem like an anodyne administrative measure, and each of them was certainly presented as such at the time” that as a whole ended up over the course of a couple of years “accidentally” mass punishing their class enemies to death.

  44. Peter the old fossil

    “we” don’t have a say anymore, a fact you don’t, and others here, don’t seem to be grasping.

    Welcome back Struth.
    Yes, it is disheartening, the general attitude being displayed here. Three million people have been summarily thrown out of work. We’ve got the country divided into economic zones with travel restrictions in place and controlled by police and military. We have military at all airports. Group gatherings of more than a handful can lead to jail time, and in some states people are confined to their homes (curfew). To all intent and purpose, guns are banned.

    And the majority of cats STILL think it has something to do with a relatively harmless flu virus, and it will all be just a bad memory by Christmas.

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    rickw, 3.16;

    ‘I’m building a ventilator’

    Are you rick? Or a generator?

    /Anne

  46. NoFixedAddress

    An interesting human interest story

    A Modern Mendicant
    by Andrew Doran
    April 2020

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/04/a-modern-mendicant

  47. hzhousewife

    We took a drive today for a look-see. Took a couple of toilet rolls so we could excuse that we were delivering them to house-bound friend. Gorgeous day. Lots of single walkers with prams or dogs or headphones. Mild traffic. Plenty of vehicles in the industrial estate part of town and workmen in the yards doing things. Council are digging up our street and they started work at 8 and knocked off at 3.30 pm. There were cars in the supermarket parking lot, and at Dan Murphy’s. We drove out past the Private Hospital which looked all systems go and there were people in the visitors parking lot heading towards the main entrance. Plenty of cars at both Radiology and Pathology. Bunnings busy, some kind of system set up outside to make you queue to get in. Maccas drive-in only and coffee shops all closed. No groups of folk anywhere. Feels like a Good Friday.

    I was under the impression that Border Force do Immigration but not Health, and that the Health issue with Ruby Princess is a matter for the state of NSW.

    This last fortnight has been a debacle from end to end.

  48. Struth

    Australian constitution
    sect 117

    A subject of the Queen, resident in any state, shall not be subject in any other state, to ANY DISABILITY OR DISCRIMINATION which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other state.
    sect 109
    When a law of a state is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the Law’s inconsistency, BE INVALID.

    sect 128
    This constitution shall not be altered except in the following manner…………(large section) but basically it must be passed by a majority of each of the houses of parliament and then a referendum held for the people to vote on it.
    These laws have not been changed.
    Think about who is breaking the law, the rule of law when you are trying to cross a state border, or even an “area” in WA.

  49. JC

    That is absolutely untrue.

    Just because you say it’s “absolutely untrue”, doesn’t make it untrue. It’s a very shoddy opinion, in my humble opinion. 🙂

    He’s run the fleet into the ground.

    No, Qantas was basically shut down. He actually shut most of it down before he was told to by the gobermnent and he was right to do so, thereby saving shareholders more cash.

    Created fake value with share buybacks.

    Oh for god’s sake , not you too. Buybacks are a form of dividend payment making use of the tax system to create efficiency in returning money to shareholders. Buybacks are a tax effective way of paying dividends, and with the corporate tax rate at 30% it makes the action worthwhile. Share buybacks reduce the share count and this has a meaningful impact on EPS. Also reducing the share count puts and upward bias on the stock.

    Rent seeked.

    Sure, he’s rent seeking like every single CEO in the country is at the moment. No biggie.

    And destroyed the morale of the employees and lost all the carriers prestige.

    Stop being a drama queen. The employees were just let go a little earlier than the government edict, that all.

    So we agree, we deport the fuck in 5 years time.

  50. “China Did This”

    Stickers, graffiti — that message needs to be everywhere

    Yep.
    I’m gonna try and print some stickers @home.
    And get a fatass marker, old school.

  51. Megan

    If it weren’t for the totally crap weather I would totally move to Sweden at this point.

  52. feelthebern

    Jordan Belfort.
    I’m not sure you’re helping…

  53. DrBeauGan

    Neuroscience needs some new ideas

    Sadly all too true. Apparently doing science involves digging around culture to find ideas to explain mysteries.

    As long as they don’t suggest that female brains are different from male brains or do anything to violate inclusiveness. That article is appalling bilge. The usual combination of the bleeding obvious and total bullshit. Nature has been taken over by journalists.

  54. JC

    feelthebern
    #3386020, posted on March 31, 2020 at 3:51 pm

    JC, if you weren’t happy with your pillow just send it back.

    Bern, I’m not kidding. He’s even more annoying that Frank Walker from National Tiles as his fat face is always on freaking tv selling the same old shit. Trump should never have given this tv troll the free publicity.

  55. twostix

    It’s weird that even though the “panic” buying is over and we’re all locked in our homes safe and sound – yet still the shelves are still empty.

    Now where might all of that daily produce and extra production be going to, I wonder.

  56. Speedbox

    JC
    #3386013, posted on March 31, 2020 at 3:45 pm

    His move to get pilots some work at Woolies and Coles has resulted in ‘some’ of those people getting casual jobs. I know of two Jetstar pilots who are currently stacking shelves at Woolworths in suburban Brisbane. There may be dozens (hundreds/thousands?) more but I understand that Woolworths are specifically targeting their former Australian Leisure Hotels (Woolworths pubs) staff and QF staff for casual work.

    I understand that other people are being employed on a casual basis but ALH and QF staff appear to have priority.

  57. feelthebern

    JC, he’s an American success story.
    Was a crack addict.
    Now a business success.
    Only in America.

  58. Megan

    They’ve got our backs.
    #elephantshow

    #griftersunite #uselessparasites

  59. Italy’s numbers appear worryingly high, but experts say that is because every person who dies with coronavirus is recorded as dying from it.

    Serious questions:
    Have those who have died in Australia, died because of Xi flu, or did they just test positive at death?

    Was the same testing procedure used on all of those who carked it?

    Have the testing procedures been validated?
    What is the false positive rate of current testing procedures?

  60. egg_

    the many issues that have presented themselves as a result of this pandemic

    Globe hopping from the UK to Canada to L.A.?

  61. JC

    Bern, have you seen the performance?

    It’s true, he went off script – began plugging his pillow company and telling people to read the bible. Maybe, he should be back on crack pipe.

    On Monday, “My Pillow” hit the top of the Twitter trending column due to a cameo that the CEO of the company (which apparently stylizes itself as MyPillow) made at the daily White House coronavirus press conference. At the Rose Garden-set presser that CEO, Mike Lindell, reportedly went off script and told people to find God and read the Bible while quarantined. File that in your head for later.

    Lindell had been invited to speak at the briefing in order to make an announcement that his company had joined an effort to help make facemasks for the many people in desperate need of those right now. He said his company will make 50,000 of them per day at a converted pillow factory by the end of this week. He also “launched into a short infomercial about his company,” according to Politico.

  62. Peter the old fossil

    This last fortnight has been a debacle from end to end.

    Depends on your point of view. Apparently to the average Cat, yes, a debacle.
    To those giving the orders however, the past two weeks has been an outstanding success. Complete takeover and control of an entire nation of 25 million people, with nary a shot fired – not even a decent riot.

  63. OldOzzie

    Reduce risks and Skype your doctor

    Medicare supported remote video and audio consultations with doctors are with us.

    By Chris Griffith

    Church Street Medical Practice in Sydney’s inner west is typical of surgeries adapting to life with coronavirus. Preventing virus infections in the waiting and consultation areas and dealing with suspected coronavirus cases is a big undertaking.

    Practice manager Lachlan Stockbridge says door handles are disinfected every 15 to 20 minutes as is the payments terminal where patients punch in their card details. Patients in the waiting room are restricted to using every second chair.

    “We have moved the entire practice to a cashless system, We’ve taken out all the magazines and the toys.”
    Read Next

    Thankfully plans have moved quickly so that all patients can consult with their doctor by phone or video conferencing and be eligible for a Medicare rebate, which hadn’t generally been the case.

    The Federal Government also plans to open up telehealth to other practitioners, such as mental health practitioners, specialists, consultant physicians, and psychiatric services related to COVID-19.

    “The Government will continue to work on a further expansion of non-GP specialist telehealth under stage 5 in collaboration with the profession,” said Health Minister Greg Hunt on Sunday.

    Former Australian Medical Association president Kerryn Phelps says moves are afoot to introduce gap Medicare payments for Telehealth.

    Proposals previously had involved only bulk billing, which meant private practitioners would either forego higher fees to bulk bill, or that patients received no Medicare support.

    Telehealth will not only save patients from running the gauntlet, fearing they’ll run the risk of catching COVID-19 or another illness sitting in a doctor’s waiting room. It could prevent an entire practice from being forced to close should a staff member test positive to coronavirus.

    University of NSW virologist Professor Peter White says doctors’ surgeries pose a definite risk to both patients and staff. “One is potentially mixing infected people with people who are going to the doctor for other ailments and illnesses. That’s a slightly different situation than just running around and going to the shops.”

    He says if a doctor gets sick with coronavirus, the whole practice may have to quarantine for 14 days. “If it’s a large surgery of 12 doctors, they’re all going to have to self quarantine and the doctor’s surgery will have to shut.

    “We know that many of the people visiting GPS tend to be older, so I would certainly encourage any type of Zoom teams, Skype teleconferencing and telephoning – if an old person is not savvy on the internet.”

    Video consultations also let quarantined or self isolated doctors practice online if they are well enough to do so.

    GP surgeries face other problems. Stockbridge warns that the supply of personal protective equipment used to shield staff and patients from the virus is “starting to dwindle”, and getting fresh supplies is not always easy.

    Obtaining sufficient supplies of masks, protective clothing and COVID-19 test kits remains a huge challenge in this crisis. Health professionals are frightened of being required to help sick patients without adequate protection if the crisis festers here, as it has in New York.

    Surgeries meanwhile will still have to treat the diabetes, cancers, heart conditions, allergies and mental health problems that come through their doors.

    There’s the upcoming flu season and the complication of patients confusing COVID-19 with flu and turning up for treatment.

    Health authorities want the public to have flu shots, but it may not be easy to encourage them into surgeries to get their jab.

    Stockbridge’s answer is to isolate part of the surgery as a flu clinic and send patients there for shots.

    The chair of the Australian Medical Association’s ethics and medico-legal committee Chris Moy has put his mind to this. Moy has been busy testing people for coronavirus in cars. He sees drive-through testing, as practised in South Korea, as reducing the danger of the virus getting into surgeries and being less risky to health workers doing the tests.

    “You get them facing away from you. Even if they cough, they don’t cough at you. You’re wearing a mask and you quickly pop the thing in the nose and then their throat and send them off.”

    He sees merit in drive-in flu jabs for those with cars, which effectively become an isolation bubble on wheels. “This is a brave new world, and everybody is trying to adjust in every sector of life at the moment. “We’re trying to get in a situation where we can find a way to maximise treatment and minimise risk.”

    “The problem is having a big enough car park. Patients could be sent text messages and processed in batches.”

    Of course many people don’t have cars and will get their flu jabs in surgeries but the aim is to minimise risk.

    White says health practitioners could start using hotels or anything that’s empty at the moment. “To keep those people away from GP surgeries is not a bad idea.”

    Closed schools too could be recast as health centres for jabs, as they were during the 1919 Spanish flu pandemics.

    Moy says the AMA had been frustrated for ages by the requirement that most doctors have to physically see patients to get Medicare benefits. He says some patients might only need prescriptions or referrals or a general discussion about their concerns but these consultations didn’t attract a benefit.

    He says government had worried that letting more of the public use video consultations could risk an abuse of Medicare. This logic is being thrown out the window with COVID-19. The concern now is the health risk of groups of doctors mingling with patients and the equipment resources (eg masks) consumed with this. There was the horror scenario of a patient sitting in a waiting room who was an undiagnosed COVID-19 sufferer.

    Moy says to not expand rebates for telehealth consultations would be devastating. “This is a crisis, and one person getting through the net and affecting a practice takes out potentially a whole number of doctors and staff. We’ve got a much bigger problem (than rebate abuse).”

    The government’s commitment to telehealth has become more solid over the past week following a series of announcements.

    It announced a temporary Medicare benefits schedule and Department of Veterans’ Affairs items that would let doctors, nurses and mental health professionals deliver services via telehealth, provided services are bulk billed.

    Moy says the original commitment didn’t go far enough. It was restricted to people who isolated themselves on medical advice, those who met the national triage criteria for suspected infection, registered medical or nursing practitioners or COVID-19 trained health clinic triage staff, among a list of carefully defined categories.

    The government costed this package at about $100 million over 2019-20 and 2020-21.

    Intense lobbying followed so that Medicare supported telephone and video consultations could open up basically to everyone.

    It also means vulnerable and older GPs can switch to video consultations to protect themselves against the virus. It addresses a similar concern teachers have had about being at perpetual risk of coronavirus teaching children at school.

    Church Street Medical Practice itself has implemented remote consultation. Stockbridge says patients can have phone consultations, and the practice offers video conferencing with Zoom software. “It’s much easier identifying someone who’s been sick if we can see they are actually sick,” he says.

    “We’re hoping that as things become more serious, people recognise that it’s probably in their best interest to avoid coming into the practice and do what they can to actually have a video consult rather than putting themselves or others at risk.”

    Of course if you need to be examined or have a test, you need a face-to-face consultation.

    The public’s interest in video consultations has surged since the virus outbreak. Brisbane-based Doctors on Demand has offered GP video consultations Australia wide since 2016, historically without a Medicare rebate. Consultations start at $60 during business hours and the business also issues prescriptions.

    CEO Kirsty Garrett says demand has increased 300 per cent since February 20. She says the service has a core team of about 25 doctors on a 24-7 roster. Some are GPs working in day practices who see patients after hours on video. Other doctors work part time from home.

    When asked whether patient demand has increased, she says: “That would be the understatement of the year.”

    She says increased demand is twofold. “One is your general patient, acute and chronic patients who want to avoid going anywhere near a medical centre right now. We are getting a lot of people who feel they have symptoms that look like COVID-19 and they’re looking for assurance, and also assessment to determine if they need to physically go to a bigger clinic, or need to have a test.”

    She says Doctors on Demand has been reaching out for more GPs to address a shortage.

    Phelps says there’s been big strides forward in the past few days. GPs can now prepare a mental health plan with patients without seeing them in person. The government has “expanded significantly” the mental health item numbers available in Medicare for teleconferencing.

    She points to an increase in the incentive for bulk billing telehealth conferences from $6 to $13.

    The limiting factor for these plans is “ being able to make this happen electronically apparently”.

    “It’s just been a matter of the technology catching up with a change in practice in pretty rapid time.”

    She says she hopeful that by the end of the week, telemedicine by private practitioners who don’t bulk bill will attract a Medicare gap payment. Otherwise many GPs who charge above standard consultation rates will be out-of-pocket.

    But there were still technical challenges. Some doctors and patients wouldn’t know how to use Skype, or Zoom, or other video calls apps. “It’s a matter of both ends of the consultation having the technology available and the connectivity as well.” Some remote consultations may have to be by phone.

    She says doctors also will need access to patient records remotely but they may not be set-up at home for this. In some cases, a practice’s IT consultants would need to install remote access packages such as LogMein, TeamViewer or Amazon Workspaces.

    “We’re in a position now where we can offer a lot of chronic disease management and medical advice and mental health care advice over the phone. There are obviously going to be things that we cannot do on the phone”.

    Phelps says some doctors might conduct telehealth consultations from a room in their clinic without seeing the patients there.

    One part of the telehealth jigsaw puzzle is yet to be in place. If doctors consult remotely, they need to be able to issue scripts remotely.

    Many surgeries have arrangements in place to email prescriptions to pharmacies and there are two large players providing digital prescription services. However paper scripts are eventually needed.

    The federal government had been working towards a better cloud-based digital prescription system before coronavirus but it is yet to be implemented.

    Phelps says the pandemic is a good reason for accelerating its implementation.

    The Royal Australian College of General Practitioners also wants a better system. It has called on the government to amend current law so that use of the electronic transfer of prescriptions through a prescription exchange service meets legal requirements, letting pharmacies dispense medicines without seeing a physical paper prescription.

    It says this would be an interim solution and seems a sensible move to go with digital consultations.

    Moy says the medical system is in uncharted waters, but new solutions are necessary. “I think all of us, including doctors and practices, need to find a way to provide care which still needs to happen.

    “We’ve got to find a way. The health system is a critical part of the community that has to keep working.”

  64. johanna

    feelthebern
    #3385968, posted on March 31, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    The Public Health Act seems to be unconstitutional.
    So the Minister approves the use of asbestos.
    He/she can’t get sued?

    I must have missed the reference to asbestos in the Constitution. 😉

    Seriously, no, Ministers can’t be sued for making bad decisions. If you spend more than a minute thinking about the implications if they could, you would realise why this would be a terrible idea – not least because it puts judges in charge of Ministers, even more than they already are.

    Who decides what a bad or wrong decision is, given the circumstances at the time? The electorate, not judges.

    If Ministers stuff up, they can be voted out.

  65. feelthebern

    This Ruby Princess situation is nuts.
    There must be full transparency now.
    All those involved have to be removed from all decision making roles.
    We can ill afford another Ruby Princess*.

    h/t Starship Troopers (the movie, not the book).

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What’s the red V on the banner all about? Does it mean the Cat is contaminated, and do not enter?

    Look, I am feeling quite well and it’s day six now. Eldest son came round and stood at the bottom of our steps happy to see I am not gasping my last; he had to check, it’s almost as if he thought he might have to say his goodbyes.

    I donated them some toilet paper, four of them in a two-bedroom flat so their need for paper is greater than ours, but they are able to at least go for a walk. My thoughtful gift was sanitised from my pariah hands and in a special unopened pak. Tossed it down to him. Good catch. We have made another Woollies order where I thought toilet paper might be available, but had to settle for Kleenex. Mostly, they substitute if they haven’t got what you want exactly, which is why we ended up with a single rock-hard ‘organic’ avocado at $5 in place of an ordinary one, ripe to go at $3. Not arguing though. Glad to have it.

    I have now removed the cousin’s armoury from my Gravatar, as you have all had sufficient warning. 🙂

    Attapuss when a kitty is now back in place, ‘cos I am missing him muchly.

  67. feelthebern

    I like him even more now.
    Promoting his shit pillows.
    A true American success story.

  68. feelthebern

    Crack addict.
    Becomes a born again Christian.
    Sell pillows.
    Clearly a very stable genius.
    His success could not happen in Australia.

  69. JC

    Promoting his shit pillows.

    Stop! Just stop! I can’t those fucking ads out of my head. He’s flogging “Egyptian cotton sheets” too.

  70. calli

    told people to find God and read the Bible while quarantined

    Shocking!

    Folau him, now!

  71. feelthebern

    Can you imagine some of the sick shit he did when he was on the pipe?
    He’s ideally placed now for business.
    Do whatever it takes.
    He needs a refinance, you know he’s going to eat banker dick to get it done. Literally.

  72. feelthebern

    Wow.
    I’m buying one.

  73. Zatara

    Are Swedes rolling the dice with their public health, or is everyone else overreacting?

    Given that there are large no-go areas for the cops in Sweden their chances of enforcing any sort of lockdown/quarantine on them are nil.

    It’s going to be an interesting experiment to watch though.

  74. feelthebern

    Looks like you’re not sleeping well.

  75. He also “launched into a short infomercial about his company,” according to Politico.

    Ba llsy, mofo!
    The god Emperor would have loved it
    😃
    Trump now trolling JC personally
    🤣🤣

  76. JC

    That’s a rotten thing to do, Bern.

  77. egg_

    Pillow Man to the rescue!

  78. Sean

    Covid’s a nasty fucker
    Starts in the upper respiratory region where most mild and easily transmitted viruses start, but manages to go to the lower respiratory system where most of the deadly strains do which are often really hard to spread between people and don’t infect millions.

  79. feelthebern

    A 10 year warranty on the pillow.
    That’s great, unless he gets back on the pipe.

  80. NoFixedAddress

    JC
    #3386034, posted on March 31, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    feelthebern
    #3386020, posted on March 31, 2020 at 3:51 pm

    JC, if you weren’t happy with your pillow just send it back.

    Bern, I’m not kidding. He’s even more annoying that Frank Walker from National Tiles as his fat face is always on freaking tv selling the same old shit. Trump should never have given this tv troll the free publicity.

    Yeah but it drove the MSM into even greater frothing at the mouth abuse at Orange Man Bad than usual.

    Winning!

  81. Complete takeover and control of an entire nation of 25 million people, with nary a shot fired – not even a decent riot.

    The sheep are dazed&scared.
    How many operators did the IRA roll with?

  82. feelthebern

    You know he’s going to fire up the glass bbq.

  83. Struth

    Hi MV.

    With the evidence about Italy’s insane disease reporting, and the development of Vaccines in the States, the fact that where socialists aren’t tampering with numbers, changing flu deaths and the like to coronavirus, and scaring the shit out of people like socialist New York, no one’s dying from it , that democrats have been banning known cures, the NHS is a socialist as our health system, and all have been marched through.
    Coronavirus is caused by TDS.
    They’re keeping the place closed until Trump and the west is crushed, economically and socially under control.
    Or they are attempting to.
    We are gone, but Trump’s America is not beaten yet.
    They have guns and a better Constitution and a Bill of Rights.
    Maybe that will help us down the line, maybe Aussies will fight back, I won’t hold my breath.
    At the moment they are still out and about shitting themselves and virtue signalling everywhere.
    And no one is dying.

  84. egg_

    It’s going to be an interesting experiment to watch though.

    Their PC lot invaded by a human plague and a virus plague, in quick succession.

  85. calli

    My Pillow Man as hero beats Walking Rules hands down.

    The world has gone insane.

  86. bespoke

    “We need national service…….Oh! No! It’s military take over.”

    LOL!

  87. feelthebern

    It’s like having the sham-wow guy at the White House.

  88. What odds it’s a weapon, Sean?
    Good posts, mate.
    Welcome

  89. JC

    Calli

    Really, I have no problem with him promoting Christianity. It’s the other crap. Enough now!

  90. Sean

    Where is Australia actually at vs the Korean stats

    Not a bad look at how the infections in Aus stack up vs Sth Korea who have had their shit together early like we did (they had a nutty cult spread it..we had Ruby clusterfuck!)

    We are in a good spot as it has mostly infected young people. If the government actually want’s to get the fark out of the way then a solution to the old v young illness problem until a vaccine is made is the best way to get millions of people back into jobs sooner.

  91. Bear Necessities

    That jingle at the end is the best part of the ad.

  92. calli

    I, too, have been subjected My Pillow ads.

    I’m amused at the pearl clutching and squealing at the Christian mouse. Big deal.

  93. Bear Necessities

    If he called himself the ‘Bite the Pillow Man’ then that would be OK.

  94. Peter the old fossil

    Covid’s a nasty fucker

    Yeah. That’s why thousands of Australians have died from it.

  95. egg_

    This Ruby Princess situation is nuts.

    This Ruby Princess is the epitome of this farce.

  96. Nick

    Can you imagine some of the sick shit he did when he was on the pipe?

    Does he own tigers ?

  97. bespoke

    KABOOM! Greg Gutfeld LEVELS Resistance media taking potshots at Trump and MyPillow’s Mike Lindell for coronavirus presser

    Hey goofy My Pillow guy is making 50 thousand masks while this douche adds nothing to the world but his own self satisfied finger sniffing https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status/1244738668088250368

  98. calli

    Thanks, Sean. Very informative.

    This made me smile.

  99. JC

    Where is Australia actually at vs the Korean stats

    I reckon you can do a rough estimate from the death tolls as to how many people have/had the China bug.

    Italy- because the average age of those dead is about 80 you could play around with the death rate by age and get a rough approximation. 11,600 dead/ .035 = 331,000 with the China bug.

    US – 3200 dead. I’d place an estimate of 1% rate because I read lots of people are going to hospital who are younger. 3200/.01 = 320,000

    Australia – 54 dead. I reckon the death rate is much lower at around .7%. This means there are around 7700 people who have or had the bug.

  100. Carpe Jugulum

    What’s the red V on the banner all about?

    From the TV series V

  101. In this desperate times we need a control sample that we can infect with the virus so we can observe the effects.
    I’m suggesting an initial trial of 151.

    Which just happens to match the number of federal MPs.

    If they all cark it, there is no loss to the Australian economy and there is an infinite supply of replacements.

    If none of them die, well that’s just bad luck.

  102. calli

    Is Spain also doing the same thing as Italy re covid deaths? The also have a very high rate.

  103. Peter the old fossil

    Maybe that will help us down the line, maybe Aussies will fight back,
    I won’t hold my breath.

    Fight back? Most Aussies, including the Catallaxy crowd, are too busy obeying orders and worrying about the dreaded undeadly moronavirus panicdemic to go outside of their own homes, or hug close family members, let alone fight something they don’t even believe is happening.

    Read Lizzie’s post just upthread.

  104. Zatara

    Which just happens to match the number of federal MPs.

    Add the Senate for diversity.

  105. JC

    Is Spain also doing the same thing as Italy re covid deaths? The also have a very high rate.

    I think they have a very high infection rate. The death toll is an output from the spread.

  106. calli

    What would you like me to do, Peter? Apart from helping keep a business afloat?

  107. JC

    Trash Industry Braces for Deluge of Infectious Waste…
    WHOLE FOODS employees planning nationwide ‘sick-out’…
    AMAZON Worker Who Led Strike Over Virus Says Company Fired Him…

    Stories like this suggest there’s huge risk to hygiene and food supplies. Workers in these sorts of industries walking out because they’re concerned about the risk. Potentially a huge problem.

  108. Struth

    Italy’s numbers appear worryingly high, but experts say that is because every person who dies with coronavirus is recorded as dying from it.

    “Only 12 per cent of death certificates (of people listed as dying from coronavirus) have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” said Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s health ministry.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.’’

    He said while 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, the other 88 per cent of deaths had least one comorbidity – and many had two or three. Each year in Italy there are 17,000 deaths from influenza.

    In Germany, on the other hand, any underlying health conditions – often heart disease – are usually noted as the cause of death, rather than the coronavirus.

    Post that on a facebook page, twitter, those that are on it.

    Or this.

    Australian constitution
    sect 117

    A subject of the Queen, resident in any state, shall not be subject in any other state, to ANY DISABILITY OR DISCRIMINATION which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other state.
    sect 109
    When a law of a state is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the Law’s inconsistency, BE INVALID.

    sect 128
    This constitution shall not be altered except in the following manner…………(large section) but basically it must be passed by a majority of each of the houses of parliament and then a referendum held for the people to vote on it.
    These laws have not been changed.
    Think about who is breaking the law, the rule of law when you are trying to cross a state border, or even an “area” in WA.

    Or both, can you please calli?

  109. Knuckle Dragger

    @TheStorm

    I am censored.

    I sleep, yet do not rest. There is much to do before the Ten Days of Darkness crumbles before the inevitable, all-consuming dawn.

    The Black Nobility dithers at the final hurdle. This chance to slay the dark beast must not be squandered like so many before.

    The Entities remain hidden from the world. For now. In the tunnels where they prepare for their bloody, remorseless, ruthless work.

    And ruthless it must be. Nevermore the tyranny of giants, of the Jesuitry, the tyranny of souls rent asunder.

    Quote the raven, ‘Nevermore’.

  110. Infidel Tiger

    Anne
    #3386082, posted on March 31, 2020 at 4:26 pm
    I am censored.

    Pity you are not medicated.

  111. Zatara

    Italy Risks Losing Grip in South With Fear of Looting, Riots

    As the state creaks under the strain of the coronavirus pandemic, officials worry the mafia may be preparing to step in.

    Worried that they are going to be replaced by people who can get the job done?

  112. feelthebern

    That’s how the Tiger King fed his cats.
    Wal-Mart chuck outs.

  113. Sean

    It’s gotten into nursing homes in Spain and hit the elderly hard.

    I think initially the average age of infection in Germany was 47 vs 62 for Italy which must explain a lot about the differential in severity to date.

  114. JC

    Germany was 47 vs 62 for Italy which must explain a lot about the differential in severity to date.

    So what death rate (%) would you put on Italy then? I used 3.5%.

  115. officials worry the mafia may be preparing to step in

    The real government steps in.

    The Australian mafia (aka CFMMEU) took control some time ago.

  116. Zatara

    Rachel Maddow: There Is No Way the Navy Hospital Ships Will be in NYC and LA in a Week. “That’s Just Nonsense.”

    Reality: One Week Later, the USS Comfort and Mercy Arrive in NYC and LA.

    “I’ve never seen another profession where people can be so consistently wrong and not only keep their jobs but get hugely rewarded.”

    h/t Ace

  117. Infidel Tiger

    That’s how the Tiger King fed his cats.
    Wal-Mart chuck outs.

    That is the best documentary ever.

    Just kept getting wilder and wilder.

  118. Peter,
    Other than not voting for your sitting MP please tell us your master plan for a “fight back” in current situation. Preferably one that does not involve AK47’s.

    “Fight back? Most Aussies, including the Catallaxy crowd, are too busy obeying orders and worrying about the dreaded undeadly moronavirus panicdemic to go outside of their own homes, or hug close family members, let alone fight something they don’t even believe is happening”.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    officials worry the mafia may be preparing to step in

    Thank God.

    The Mafia ran Italy properly.

  120. jo

    If my mum has to fly down here on her broomstick to tell you all off – you’re on your own. That’s all I’m saying.

    I’m sure you mean MiL.

  121. cohenite

    Head prefect, are you a pillow biter; honest question.

  122. Top Ender

    That’s how the Tiger King fed his cats.

    Thanks BTW, to whoever recommended this.

    Mrs TE and I have watched two episodes so far, in a sort of horrified fascination.

  123. Sinclair Davidson

    I am censored.

    Yep. None of that here.

  124. feelthebern

    Mrs TE and I have watched two episodes so far, in a sort of horrified fascination.

    Only two?
    Hard to stop watching.
    Hard to think of a bigger freak show.

  125. feelthebern

    Tiger King quote.

    Some days I have my alcohol days.
    Some days I have my meth days.

  126. Stimpson J. Cat

    At least you aren’t in San Francisco IT.

    London Breed
    @LondonBreed
    45th Mayor of the City and County of San Francisco
    We’re working to slow the spread of coronavirus in San Francisco, but we know that the challenges we face are going to get tougher.

    The public health order for people to say safe in their homes will soon be extended until at least May 1. More details to come soon.

  127. feelthebern

    Louie CK was ahead of the curve on bats.

  128. Stimpson J. Cat

    Pity you are not medicated.

    Is that right?

    What’s more crazy,
    Malcolm Turnbull having potential greatness,
    or anything that Annie posts?

    I rest my case.

  129. I rest my case.

    We the jurors find the defendant …

  130. Struth

    Please take those statements above about the constitution etc and post them on your social media.
    If not, why not?

  131. bespoke

    Don’t have any that’s why.

  132. Sean

    So what death rate (%) would you put on Italy then? I used 3.5%.

    They aren’t testing anyone now who isn’t really sick so given the approx expected rate might be 1-1.5% worldwide maybe Italy will be 1.5-2%. The French are sending patients to Germany, Italy needs to do the same if it’s possible as a few Italian doctors I’ve seen on the news have said people are being left without a respirator due to shortages who might otherwise have been saved.

    There’s no way of knowing the asymptomatic figure without some decent sampling. It was 17.9% on the diamond princess. I don’t think I’ve seen a good collation of how many people in each country have the middle ground ‘mild’ symptoms that would give us a clearer picture on how many total cases we have.

  133. Top Ender

    So what is the “45th Mayor of the City and County of San Francisco” doing about all of the loons on the street there?

  134. notafan

    I don’t get the dispute about the Italy death rate.

    If you have a cancer or a heart condition, and many many people, especially the elderly do, then contract covid19, your lungs are affected, and you die, how is that a misattribution of cause of death?

    I don’t think old Mr Carbone is dying of a stroke and the doctors are getting a pathology test and saying excellent another covid19.

    Because the alternative is only attributing the death of otherwise completely healthy people to covid 19 and we know that cohort rarely succumb.

    You could make the same argument with an elderly person with a heart condition in 2019 catching the flu getting pneumonia and dying.

  135. JC

    There’s no way of knowing the asymptomatic figure without some decent sampling.

    Well they haven’t done sampling, so the next best thing to do is to try and extrapolate from the toll making some allowances for being short of equipment.

  136. EvilElvis

    I am censored.

    *Drops to knees*

    Noooooooooooooooo!…

  137. On the bright side, think what things would be like if Xi flu happened when Lucy was PM.

  138. calli

    Sorry, that was addressed to struth.

  139. Infidel Tiger

    WA Health Minister Roger Cook has confirmed nine new coronavirus cases overnight, bringing the state’s total to 364, with 14,340 negative test results.

    Nine fucking cases.

    Complete economic destruction for a virus no one has except filthy foreign vermin and disgusting cruise loving degenerates.

    Shoot them all, let the locals live again.

  140. JC

    …..let the locals live again.

    All 15 of them.

  141. vlad

    An association representing up to two dozen Melbourne gun dealers is preparing a legal challenge against the ban which they say could financially devastate the families of hundreds of firearms traders.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/live-coronavirus-victoria-updates-france-records-more-than-3000-deaths-enforcement-of-victoria-s-stage-3-restrictions-begins-20200330-p54ffy.html

    It’s refreshing to hear talk of a legal challenge. One had forgotten there was such a thing as law.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coronavirus: Hardware, alcohol sales soar as grocery panic finds a high plateau

    Max Maddison
    Journalist
    @maxmaddison
    12:27PM March 31, 2020
    No Comments

    Consumers have turned their attention from panic buying toilet paper and consumer staples to stockpiling alcohol and DIY projects, Commonwealth Bank and ANZ consumer spending research shows.

    Analysis of credit and debit card transactions revealed that although groceries and toiletries spending had fallen from its peak last week, spending remained 40 per cent higher than this time last year.

    Conversely, bottle shop spending had increased by a “staggering” 86 per cent, confirming anecdotes of households hoarding alcohol, CBA data indicated.

    CBA economist Gareth Aird said he expected the figures to ease in the coming weeks.

    “As we’ve gone through each stage of the lockdown, there’s been a perception that bottle shops will close. That’s why we’ve seen people stockpiling, but that will probably be in the short term,” Mr Aird said.

    “Spending at supermarkets and bottle shops will most likely settle in the coming weeks, but sales growth will remain higher than usual as people are unable to eat or drink at restaurants or pubs.”

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  143. Struth

    Can you read Shaun?
    Been out jetsetting and talking to medical professionals the world over?

    It’s over.
    The scam has been exposed.
    It’s the most disastrous propaganda stunt pulled by the Chinese , aided and abetted with western commos and socialists to hit the west, and it enabled the deep state leftists to take power by force, and hopefully bring down a resurgent USA finally as well.

    The Chinese may have accidentally let this virus loose, a non deadly cold virus, but once out , they played it for all it’s worth.
    The questions to ask.
    Did China, and a collaborating Davos, UN WHO MSM anti Trump collaboration take place, or did lefties just arse it and push a fake narrative to bring the west down. (The MSM saw a chance and ran with it)

    FMD.

    The Virus is not killing anyone here, or anywhere the the left don’t completely own the narrative.
    My guess is usual flu and other usual deaths have been attributed to Corona virus as was the case in Italy.
    NY Mayor is a self declared socialist/commo.
    Place is corrupt as China.

  144. Infidel Tiger

    The greatest scene ever.

    A zookeeper has just had their arm ripped off by a tiger in front of patrons at the zoo…

    Joe Exotic walks in to his office and cries: “I will never financially recover from this”!!!

    Once you have heard him say that, you think about it constantly.

  145. Struth

    For Christ’s sakes Notafan.
    If an old bloke goes into hospital in Italy with chest pains and no Coronavirus symptoms but tests positive to the virus, and then goes on to immediately die of a Heart attack, they put it down as death from Coronavirus.
    Insane yes.
    Corrupt, most likely.
    Stated by Italians as the case………yes.

  146. old bloke

    FMD, you think anyone my age wants to see the next two generations burdened by massive debt and having a lifestyle worse than mine, just so I can live a few extra years? You really think anyone >60 is that selfish? Where’s the cry of “inter-generational justice” now?

    Well said Kneel, fully agree. Most of the >60’s have adult children with their own families to worry about, throwing them out of work and ruining their lives and futures doesn’t help anyone.

    The current rules and restrictions are a real nuisance and are completely counter-productive. I used to go shopping once a week, but the newly mandated purchasing limits mean that I have to go twice or three times a week nowadays. This isn’t helping anyone and just increases risk of exposure to the Chinese virus.

    Lift the lock-down, let everyone go back to work, and the elderly folks can self-isolate as they feel is necessary.

  147. egg_

    The Virus is not killing anyone here, or anywhere the the left don’t completely own the narrative.

    Sh1thole flu.

  148. Speedbox

    The Buxton UK Police have dyed a local lagoon turning the normally turquoise water black.

    The Police Facebook page adds photos and text noting that: the lagoon is a “dangerous” location since it might attract visitors.

    It adds that, “with this in mind, we have attended the location this morning and used water dye to make the water look less appealing.”

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484482-covid-19-police-waste-resources/

    Words fail.

  149. thefrollickingmole

    JC, if you weren’t happy with your pillow just send it back.

    So far we know hes been stiffed a potato scallop by Pauline, and his head is too freakishly deformed for the pillow mans pillows to work.

  150. cohenite

    An association representing up to two dozen Melbourne gun dealers is preparing a legal challenge against the ban which they say could financially devastate the families of hundreds of firearms traders.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/live-coronavirus-victoria-updates-france-records-more-than-3000-deaths-enforcement-of-victoria-s-stage-3-restrictions-begins-20200330-p54ffy.html

    The government has been plain about its reasons for doing this: it doesn’t want people hoarding guns and ammunition. But under the tough licencing laws in this shit-hole you can only purchase weapons under the narrow and strictly enforced conditions of your licence.

    Dealer friends tell me there has been an increase in people contacting them to buy a weapon and when told about the process go away.

    The easiest licence to get apart from vermin/rural/farmer licences is a sporting rifle licence for A category long arms – .22s and shotguns -. To get one of these you have to undertake a safety and handling course through a licenced club. Good luck with that with all the clubs now closed. So effectively no new licences can be obtained anyway.

    Category B long arms, centrefires, are even more difficult than As and pistols and revolvers involve being a member of a club and undertaking courses which will take the best part of a year; even if you could get in. My club is not taking new members and as I said is closed anyway.

    That leaves existing weapon owners who can only buy ammunition. Since most make their own this forced closure is a fucking joke and shows how irrational and ignorant the pollies and wallopers are about gun ownership.

  151. zyconoclast

    So the NSW Gov can do everything else during a Covid 19 ‘crisis’ except this?

    Long lunches…

    Toll operator pushes ahead with price increases amid crisis

    Asked whether it could intervene to assist Sydney motorists, the NSW government said the price escalation on the state’s toll roads were “set and legally binding”.

    “Under individual contracts with the NSW Government, motorway companies have the right to increase prices,” a Transport for NSW spokesman said.

  152. calli

    Aren’t leases “set and legally binding”?

  153. Sean

    Well they haven’t done sampling, so the next best thing to do is to try and extrapolate from the toll making some allowances for being short of equipment.

    It’s a pretty extreme lockdown in Italy so they might be able to slow the spread to a manageable level soon I hope and bring them back towards the norm.

  154. notafan

    You don’t know that Struth

    In fact it’s pretty obvious you don’t know anything.

    Fakefacts central.

    All those people on ventilators

    Photoshop!

  155. Struth

    People who have caught a cold virus, for that is what Corona is, go into an Italian hospital because they are 400 years old and the brain cancer has just about got them
    They die from brain cancer.
    Italy is putting down cause of death as the fucking cold!
    seriously, as admitted by them.
    If only we’d been able to get him that strepsil he would have been fine.

    A few days ago I was laughed at for asking for facts, but none from the MSM and none from left wing marched through government departments.

  156. OldOzzie

    Coronavirus: ‘Not the time for fun’, but this police state tone is deeply worrying

    CHRIS KENNY

    In Sydney’s harbourside Rushcutters Bay Park, police cars with flashing lights dispersed people getting some fresh air and sunshine, in Perth, encouraged by Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan, police flew drones over parks warning people to go home. In Victoria and New South Wales the governments and police forces are warning of $10,000 fines for people who leave home for reasons not covered by prescriptive lists.

    In Queensland there are similar threats from police and Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk explained that now is “not the time for fun.”

    I don’t think anyone is having fun. But this police state tone is deeply worrying.

    On the medical front we are entitled to be encouraged. We have curbed the overall level of new infections because we have cut the number of cases coming in from overseas.

    We must listen to the expert medical advice that says there is a long way to go, that community infections are the real concern and they could take a fortnight or more to show up. We understand that the worst is likely yet to come, and that it why rules are tightening rather than relaxing.

    But we are entitled to reflect that border closures, compulsory quarantine, an extensive and growing testing regime, shutdowns of travel, tourism and hospitality businesses, and physical distancing rules and practices have enabled this country to make some tangible progress. We have reduced the growth in new infections, despite testing going up.

    We have had an activist media, driven by the inanities of social media, pushing state and federal governments for what they like to call a full lockdown. They have paid scant regard to the human toll of even more draconian measures.

    Governments are wary about being accused of not doing enough – especially after the often illogical and hysterical criticism of governments over the summer of bushfires. We also have activist academics and medical representatives, many with political agendas, prodding and bullying governments and ministers over their responses.

    The strident calls have continued for weeks; shut everything down, shut down society, shut down schools, shut down businesses and shut down the economy. We have had continued high-level medical advice that schools should be a safe option; a place to keep kids organised and focused, coached on hygiene demands, away from vulnerable people and continuing with their education.

    Yet our schools are as good as closed, students are actively discouraged from attending and those that do turn up are minded rather than taught.

    We have citizens being threatened with heavy fines if they leave home. We have people being abused and threatened with legal action if they go to the beach.

    We have police putting drones into the sky to check that no more than two of us are out in public together. Is this proportionate?

    Is this reasonable given we live in an educated, sensible, liberal and egalitarian society? Is this the way we should operate when we confront a community challenge?

    This is not a government project; this is not a police operation; it is not even a medical task. This is a challenge for society; this is a time when citizens deliver the outcome.

    It is citizens who provide the medical care, run the pathology test, make the deliveries, clean the bathrooms, stack the shelves and prepare the food. We are all in this together, for each other.

    Governments and other authorities need to make difficult decisions, they need to enforce new laws, provide information so people can take reasonable precautions for their own sake and the sake of others.

    But the penalties, policing and political messages run the risk of being over the top and counter-productive. It is no good assuaging the shrill voices of Twitter (not the real world) if you infantilise and antagonise mainstream Australians.

    We know there will be idiots and scumbags – we’ve had people allegedly spit at police, and illegally open bars – and we would expect the book to be thrown at them. But threatening all Australians isn’t really on.

    Please tone it down.

    There is not a citizen in the country who doesn’t understand what is at stake. But fair go – except in the most egregious and obnoxious examples, governments shouldn’t be threatening people about leaving home, or spying on them with police drones at the park.

    We all need to play our role to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable; most of us have elderly family and friends, so we are apprehended by the danger. Australian citizens, who are doing the heavy lifting in this crisis, do not deserve to be treated like delinquents.

    They are the ones who are suffering from this pandemic, losing their jobs, their businesses, their schooling and their social interactions. They are also the ones who are combating it, running the hospitals, providing the essentials, staying home, schooling their kids, and offering state and federal governments, police and other authorities the appropriate support.

    Those authorities should reciprocate by treating people like adults, recognising they are doing this in partnership with us, not against us. We fight the virus with community co-operation, not police sirens.

    Whether you are a government minister, medico, teacher or policeman, we appreciate your work, we appreciate the pressure you are under and we support your aims; we are all in this together.

    Rather than tackle a horrible health and economic crisis with some version of a police state, our leaders must try to appeal to what Abraham Lincoln called “the better angels of our nature”. Because that is what will work; by maintaining social cohesion and ensuring we don’t lose our national character just when we need it most.

  157. feelthebern

    Aren’t leases “set and legally binding”?

    Some leases are more equal than others.

  158. Struth

    said Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s health ministry.

    You sure you’re right again, aren’t you Nota, because no one could pull the wool over your eyes, you’re way too worldly.
    I actually don’t wish to single you out anymore.
    That’s enough.

  159. calli

    And just to make things even more interesting business-wise…an a/h has decided to take us to the CCT for work he is “unhappy with”. Try getting an expert witness from interstate who actually knows what he’s doing.

    The claim is mischievous – he doesn’t want to pay the final payment (as usual), he’s locked us out of the site (illegal) and is using the structure even though he did not allow us handover.

    A classic case of “never waste an emergency”. If I was a Levantine, he’d be fearful of his kneecaps. But we Aussie types are easybeats. So yet another distraction to keep us busy.

    I pop in here to remain sane, and for the good company.

  160. notafan

    Oh go on struth.

    You keep rambling on with your socialist plot!!!! and claiming ‘they’ are coming to get you.

    It’s nearly as believable as Anne’s nonsense.

  161. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stop! Just stop! I can’t those fucking ads out of my head. He’s flogging “Egyptian cotton sheets” too.

    Except he helped bankroll the “Unplanned”
    anti-abortion movie.
    And literally bulldozed one himself in the film.

    He’s a Goddamned Hero, you idiot.

  162. dover_beach

    For Christ’s sakes Notafan.
    If an old bloke goes into hospital in Italy with chest pains and no Coronavirus symptoms but tests positive to the virus, and then goes on to immediately die of a Heart attack, they put it down as death from Coronavirus.
    Insane yes.
    Corrupt, most likely.
    Stated by Italians as the case………yes.

    Struth, that earlier quote of yours never says they showed no symptoms of Wuhan flu.

  163. notafan

    That sucks Calli

    always some expletive deleted who can’t let a good crisis go to waste.

  164. Roger

    Because that is what will work; by maintaining social cohesion and ensuring we don’t lose our national character just when we need it most.

    I’m afraid that horse has bolted, at least in our large cities.

  165. mh

    Nine fucking cases.

    Complete economic destruction for a virus no one has except filthy foreign vermin and disgusting cruise loving degenerates.

    And we should all remember our borders were NOT secured either.

    That may have been intentional or unintentional from our government overlords, but still COVID-19 didn’t take off. Then have decided, hey, let’s wreck the economy anyway!

  166. thefrollickingmole

    Knucledragger..

    A worthy effort but needs more Lovecraftian horror.

    There is a sense of spectral whirling through liquid gulfs of infinity, of dizzying rides through reeling universes on a comet’s tail, and of hysterical plunges from the pit to the moon and from the moon back again to the pit, all livened by a cachinnating chorus of the distorted, hilarious elder gods and the green, bat-winged mocking imps of Tartarus.

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Italy is not Australia.

    It is an aging corruptocracy with a third world medical system, staffed by foreign labour.

    Comparing our results to them is stupid.

    They are also faking their stats to get an IMF or ECB banking bailout.

  168. notafan

    Not suggesting Italy is Australia.

    But pretending they are not in a medical crisis is absurd.

    And Spain

    And France

    And the UK

    And some states in the US

  169. calli

    We had the hearing remotely.

    Apparently the courts are going great guns.

    Except for one particular one.

  170. Nick

    This police state stuff is getting weird, I got an email from a cousin in the middle of knowwhere in Ireland saying that the army were out enforcing social distancing. It’s almost as if it’s not a virus, but something else. The police’s tactics seem the same in many places. Maybe Anne is right after all ? 😉

  171. feelthebern

    calli, Mark Latham warned on this.
    If a small business tries to screw over another small business, there isn’t much anyone can do for the next 6 months.
    Yet again, the absolute bottom feeders are all over this.
    It’s pretty scary what can happen.

  172. calli

    RA chief executive Raelene Castle has taken a 50 per cent pay cut but is still on more than $400,000.

    Get rid of the idiot. She’s a waste of food.

    Send her home and she can destroy the All Blecks.

    No charge. Mate’s rates.

  173. Infidel Tiger

    High density shitholes with aging populations are struggling.

    No one else need worry unless old and then they should be inside watching A Country Practice box sets on their VHS.

    Let those with a life to live get on with it.

  174. amortiser

    Kneel

    I don’t care how many pillow biters buy his products. You can be for free enterprise to the point of anything goes like me and still have the opinion that the pillow fuck is the most annoying troll on US TV. My only hope is that he doesn’t come here.

    I recall the “where do you get it” Best n Less ads in the 70s with the annoying screeching voice brought to us by Singo. Everyone hated them but it was the most successful advertising campaign of its time if not ever. It didn’t win any Advertising Awards but it made money. A good campaign with a good product will be a winner.

    Even if he is annoying, he’s a winner so good luck to him.

  175. calli

    I have never ever had a ruling go against me. An absolute cleanskin.

    But we live in interesting times.

  176. feelthebern

    Contract law. Can’t be enforced.
    Tenancy law. Can’t be enforced.
    Insolvency law. On hold for 6 months.
    My advice to all small operators.
    Be very very careful with new customers over the next 6 months.

  177. EvilElvis

    Be very very careful with new customers over the next 6 months.

    Unless your ColesWorth, a bottleo or latched onto the public service somehow where are new customers coming from?

  178. Peter the old fossil

    What would you like me to do, Peter?

    Cheap shot, Calli. I was the first here to congratulate you on your efforts to keep your business afloat and your staff employed. Over the years you have displayed an outstanding level of business acumen – yes, I have followed your posts with interest.

    Given all that you could try extending your expertise to others not as talented as you. Right now this country is awash with people like Salvatore, but especially young people, who have no idea what to do next. You could help them, advise them, if nothing else, encourage them.

    If you can’t find a suitable venue, let me know and I will build a website for youu, and pay the costs. You may be able to attract others like yourself to also offer help and advice. Who knows?

  179. thefrollickingmole

    feelthebern

    Add rental contracts to that one as well.
    7 years ago.

  180. Stimpson J. Cat

    The absolute Best Theory I have heard about Coronavirus is this:

    The entire thing is designed for one purpose,
    and one purpose only:
    To get as many people around the world inside for when the Atlas Comet goes by.

    This is a truly epic theory, let me tell you.
    😁

  181. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Buxton UK Police have dyed a local lagoon turning the normally turquoise water black.

    All right and ready for Cressida Dick and her henchpersons to crawl back in.

  182. Allergy

    Hi, Scottie from Marketing here.

    Have I got a deal for you. One democracy for sale , hardly used, excess to requirements.

    All offers considered.

  183. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3386146, posted on March 31, 2020 at 5:17 pm

    The greatest scene ever.

    A zookeeper has just had their arm ripped off by a tiger in front of patrons at the zoo…

    Joe Exotic walks in to his office and cries: “I will never financially recover from this”!!!

    Once you have heard him say that, you think about it constantly.

    FMD.
    Mrs L has signed on to Netflix for the Great Lockening.
    Last night she says “You gotta watch this.”
    I watched it for five minutes and said, “This is a pisstake, right?”
    She assures me it is kosher.

  184. Roger

    RA chief executive Raelene Castle has taken a 50 per cent pay cut but is still on more than $400,000.

    Crowd numbers down by c.25%, no TV deal and they’re still talking like they’ve got a class product worth $120m but for the impact of the virus.

    The RA board have taken too many knockes on the head.

  185. calli

    Be very very careful with new customers over the next 6 months.

    Already covered. As far as in my power, scrutinise ability to pay. Been here before during every crisis.

  186. Struth

    They are also faking their stats to get an IMF or ECB banking bailout.

    Did you really link to that Notafan?
    No bodies in the corridors , just the word of mouth by a nurse and a doctor looking for funds?
    Normal pneumonia section it looks like to me, where many end up after the flu gets worse, and complications set in.
    How many old people die.
    I’ve seen many a hospital in Australia struggling worse than that.

    I’ve got a home for sale in Alice Springs with lovely sea views………..

    Dover beach, calm down mate, there are now more important things to worry about seeing millions of gullible Australians have been suckered in.
    We’ve lost our country for one.

    This blog is always way ahead.
    Many here supported Trump and could see he was the man for the job, we knew Malcom was going to be a disaster, and on it goes.
    The rest of the place, generally speaking, were MSM fed zombies.
    Same is happening now.
    We’ve got bigger problems.
    It’s not killing anyone here.
    It’s not.
    It should be killing more even if it was just the flu.
    It’s not, and yet the stupidity of government keep telling you the number infected is skyrocketing to bring in more Martial Law.
    In so doing proving this is about as deadly as the common cold and about as contagious.
    We’ve been had.

  187. Infidel Tiger

    Unless your ColesWorth, a bottleo or latched onto the public service somehow where are new customers coming from?

    Shelf Stackers and Delivery Drivers are the new kings.

  188. egg_

    The Mafia know how to handle parasites.

  189. Six threads started by CL today so far.

    How about some social distancing between threads ?

    Not saying he doesn’t post some good stuff but the mafia has been raised in main thread as has the ship of death.

  190. calli

    Cheap shot, Calli.

    You are confusing me with someone else. I never take cheap shots. I am a seriously practical person.

    On the advice front, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Two out of three of my kids have businesses that are still operating. Other young ones will hardly listen to an old grannie. That’s okay, I get it.

  191. Dr Faustus

    Looking like Palacechook’s cunning Covid19 plan came unstuck; LNP likely to hold Currumbin in the by- election, Brisbane City Council and Brisbane Lord Mayor.

    Gypsy’s warnings for Team Frecklington (lovely lady, but politically invisible) and Jackie Trad (undead, expecting a stake through her heart from the Greens in October).

  192. Mark A

    then contract covid19, your lungs are affected, and you die, how is that a misattribution of cause of death?

    If those lungs were clear before the infection then this is a fair comment.

    If they die from their preexisting condition while also being infected then it is wrong to claim the cause of death being the virus.

    As shown, many people have it and no symptoms or very mild ones.

  193. calli

    Everyone dies from heart failure.

  194. bespoke

    Bespoke’s rules to live by: Short list.

    Only follow those who lead
    Do not trust those who have fantasies about entering Valhalla.
    Do not trust people who want to be friends with everyone.
    Do not trust emotional manipulators.
    Do not trust high maintenance ego’s

  195. Peter the old fossil

    I’m not talking about just family, Calli.

  196. notafan

    Lol

    I knew it.

    Fake news!
    Lying doctor!
    Nothing to see here!

    You could take struth on a tour of every hospital and morgue in Italy and he’d be yeah nah.

    Tell me though,

    If a cancer patient develops pneumonia and dies on the ventilator did he die of pneumonia or cancer?

  197. zyconoclast

    Looking like Palacechook’s cunning Covid19 plan came unstuck; LNP likely to hold Currumbin in the by- election, Brisbane City Council and Brisbane Lord Mayor.,

    An ALP Lord Mayor of Brisbane would be so much worse

    Liberal Lord Mayor backs drag queen story time

  198. feelthebern

    Unless your ColesWorth, a bottleo or latched onto the public service somehow where are new customers coming from?

    Elvis, the bottom feeders are out & preying on those with no experience.

  199. Harlequin Decline

    Notafan,

    To get a true picture of what is happening with the virus in various countries the data needs to be looked at from various perspectives.

    That is why I suggested a normalised fatality rate to be viewed along with the stated fatality rate helps to provide the balance.

    We don’t have that information available but we can form a view from comparing the Italian data with other countries.

    It is clear that the Italian stats are so far out of whack with almost all other countries that either the data from almost all the other countries is suspect or the Italian data is. Country to country variation doesn’t explain it-the deviation is too large.

    The reasons that largely explain why the Italian data is suspect compared to almost all other countries has been posted several times today.

    When available the quarterly fatality numbers for Italy and the other countries will provide a definitive view.

  200. Struth

    And we are right in our outcomes because we argue like this.
    But the time has come to just stop and ask yourself why no one is dying from it.
    Infection rates are going to be higher, not lower than they know.
    Old people dying on Cruiseliners, a couple of ninety year olds in an old folks home.
    Arse hole leftists in Italy’s medical bureaucracy, and London’s.
    Acorrupt left wing propaganda machine totally left wing across the globe.
    Spain is quite left wing, as are we, which means you should not believe a fucking thing you are told especially when you know the US elections are coming up.
    The most important election for the continuance of the west, ever, which has now been under attack for decades.

  201. notafan

    I’m going out on a limb here.

    Lungs bad enough for ICU

    Covid 19 ( or plain vanilla pneumonia for the unbelievers) or the underlying condition?

    I know, Italian doctors (thousands of them) are hooking people up to ventilators to trick the EU into giving them more money and to sucker gullible fools in Australia.

  202. cohenite

    I didn’t realise it was Andrew robb who sold Darwin port to the chunks then started to work for them as a fucking consultant. I hope the bastard’s depression is better.

  203. thefrollickingmole

    Everyone dies from heart failure.

    My favorite little medical saying.

    In the end everyone’s condition becomes extremely stable.

  204. Peter the old fossil

    Folks,

    Why the bloody hell all this interest in Italy? We live in a land called Oz. We have a completely different set of problems, and right now flu is the least of them.

    Let’s stick with the issues immediately to hand at home, and worry about solving the rest of the world’s issues somewhere down the track when we have sorted ourselves out.

  205. notafan

    But Decline that isn’t even true.

    Spain is giving Italy a real run for the money and France is starting to wind up.

    Statistical analysis like this is great for hindsighting but in the middle of a pandemic?

    I don’t think so.

    Either hospitals in those countries are being overwhelmed by seriously ill patients.

    Or they are not.

  206. zyconoclast

    I hope the bastard’s depression is better.

    Cured since he had the Black Dog for lunch.

  207. JC

    This country needs to go on massive medication.

    I’ll be fucked if I follow what they say.

    Police state tone is deeply worrying

    Drones in the sky checking no more than two of us are together in public. Parkgoers dispersed by police. Is the enforcement over the top?

  208. Stimpson J. Cat

    It begins….

    Balazs Csekö
    @balazscseko
    Hungarian Parliament passes bill that gives PM Orbán unlimited power & proclaims:

    – State of emergency w/o time limit
    – Rule by decree
    – Parliament suspended
    – No elections
    – Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison
    – Leaving quarantine: up to 8 yrs in prison
    #COVID19

  209. rickw

    This police state stuff is getting weird, I got an email from a cousin in the middle of knowwhere in Ireland saying that the army were out enforcing social distancing. It’s almost as if it’s not a virus, but something else. The police’s tactics seem the same in many places.

    They’re all working from the same playbook, boot on the throat of citizens, lax border controls.

    Probably some UN treaty on being fucking retarded that we’ve all signed up to without realising it. Australian Government is tops at precision implementation of shit ideas.

    (Certainly the stop on gun and ammunition sales is straight out of the IANSA playbook.)

  210. notafan

    We aren’t solving

    We are debating

    As for you

    I am absolutely certain you have nothing of value to contribute you disgusting foul mouthed creep.

  211. Struth

    Italy’s numbers appear worryingly high, but experts say that is because every person who dies with coronavirus is recorded as dying from it.

    “Only 12 per cent of death certificates (of people listed as dying from coronavirus) have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” said Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s health ministry.

    The word causality …do you get that Notafan?

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.’’

    He said while 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, the other 88 per cent of deaths had least one comorbidity – and many had two or three. Each year in Italy there are 17,000 deaths from influenza.

    In Germany, on the other hand, any underlying health conditions – often heart disease – are usually noted as the cause of death, rather than the coronavirus.

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    Do not trust people who want to be friends with everyone.
    Do not trust emotional manipulators.
    Do not trust high maintenance ego’s

    Now hang on.

    I actually trust quite a few Women.

  213. zyconoclast

    The unexpected benefits of having multiple lovers

    Polyamory is considered by psychologists to be a type of consensual non-monogamy – open relationships where each partner has consent to see other people.

    Research has found that about 21% of us will engage in some form of consensual non-monogamy at some point in our lives and about 5% of people are in a relationship like this right now.

  214. JC

    Struth

    What cause the sudden influx into those Northern Italian hospitals? It wasn’t all heart failure and diabetes related issues, was it?

  215. bespoke

    And compassion is not a renewable resource and not to be given to the greedy

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Read Lizzie’s post just upthread.

    Please be fair, Peter MV. I can’t hug my son because the front of our place is exposed to public view and someone would dob me in for a hefty fine should I venture below the entry stairs to our place as we are in mandatory isolation having recently returned from the US. Elderly people live around us and they are freaked by anything new such as having quarantined people living nearby. Also, my son is concerned for his own family should he make physical contact with me. I have told my son not to be worried sick, which he is because that is what autists do, they double down, and to just look after his two children and their mothers to the best of his ability. From our front door I’ve lobbed over some toilet paper to calm them down. 🙂

    I think it should be fairly clear that I have been far less panicked here than some, as I am epidemiologically trained enough to know that the data needs some drilling down on yet in order to see the variable reality of risks elsewhere and that Australia’s situation is by no means as dire as some suggest.

    Let’s hope it stays that way and we can soon return to a gradual take-up of economic life again.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    But Decline that isn’t even true.

    Spain is giving Italy a real run for the money and France is starting to wind up.

    Cramped and squalid, third world shitholes who got the direct strain of the virus from Wuhan.

  218. Harlequin Decline

    Notafan,

    What I stated is true.

    I said almost all countries.

    France has a long way to go before it matches Italy, and France started earlier.

    As I mentioned, the quarterly stats will present the true picture.

  219. My favourite Singo “Where do you get it” advert was the one starring a pound of room temperature butter and a bare foot stepping on it.

  220. Roger

    Probably some UN treaty on being fucking retarded that we’ve all signed up to without realising it. Australian Government is tops at precision implementation of shit ideas.

    Most Australians would probably be surprised to learn there are no legal guarantees to freedom of movement or association in Australian law.

    The closest we come are several international treaties sponsored by the UN that we’ve signed.

    Including the right to life.

    The UN actually once served the good.

  221. Peter the old fossil

    open relationships where each partner has consent to see other people.

    “Open” relationships as a way of life always in end in tears. Always. No exceptions.
    Sometimes it takes longer than others, or more relationships, but the end result is always the same.
    Tears.

  222. egg_

    Why the bloody hell all this interest in Italy?

    The Grigbots are feasting on the worst case Western scenario.
    Hyperbole.

  223. Mark A

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3386230, posted on March 31, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    It begins…. Hungarian Parliament passes bill that gives PM Orbán unlimited power & proclaims:

    I have read the proclamation in the original.

    Nothing like what you propose.
    Soros and his minions in action.

  224. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr Norman Swan’s coronavirus test is negative, but the process was eye-opening

    Poor guy. After all climate change is going to make the living envy the dead or something.
    Very hard for me to give much credence to a climate bedwetter like Dr Swan.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ScoMo’s main problem in handling this was being guided by a Health Supremo Medico who trusted and believed the WHO far too much. This resulted in lax borders, flights in from hotspots still, no border checks, and an unbelievable refusal to implement social distancing early on – we were absolutely amazed sitting in Louisiana in the middle of their outbreak in total lockdown to hear ScoMo in Australia saying, on his medical advice (WTF?) that groups of less than 500 were still perfectly OK. That was stupid. A quick lockdown to home isolation for all for two weeks and a tight border control and we’d have been out of this before it even started. Too late now, water under the bridge, and we have to live with the consequences political and otherwise of the thrashing about.

    ps I am happy to be in house lockdown; for all I know I might be positive coming from New Orleans which is a hotspot. I will wait out sixteen days in home just to be sure, two days more than formally required, for the sake of others.

  226. egg_

    Why the bloody hell all this interest in Italy?

    ’cause Oz is a non-event.

  227. Nick

    TE, ‘twas Bern and I who spoke about a Tiger King.

  228. Roger

    ScoMo’s main problem in handling this was being guided by a Health Supremo Medico who trusted and believed the WHO far too much.

    Yes; a WHO in China’s pocket.

    Will we learn? No evidence of that yet.

  229. zyconoclast

    From 2018

    The killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42 per cent spike in deaths across England and Wales, statisticians claim.

    Government figures reveal 64,157 people died in January – significantly higher than the death toll of 45,141 recorded in December.

    It is the highest number since records began in 2006 – and only the second time it has breached 60,000.

    ‘Circulating influenza’ was blamed in the report, released today and compiled using data of deaths from each region.

    It showed deaths were higher than levels recorded during the Swine flu pandemic in 2010 – considered the worst outbreak in recent years.

  230. custard

    ScoMo, BoJo and to some extent Trump are afraid of what might happen to them if they get this one wrong. Their fear is all about what the fakenews industrial complex will do to them.

    Trump is handling it best so far.

  231. vlad

    I must be missing something, because to me it looks like those blue bars peaked a few days ago and are now in decline – a classic bell curve and it’s already past the peak.

    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/03/new-and-cumulative-covid-19-cases-in-australia-by-notification-date_5.png

    Am I missing something?

  232. JC

    Holland’s numbers are pretty eye catching.
    Total case load New Cases
    Netherlands 11,750 864

    Zero deaths and they’re pretty much following Sweden loose regulations I think.

  233. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    TE, ‘twas Bern and I who spoke about a Tiger King.

    we have reached peak bread and circuses

  234. bespoke

    I never take cheap shots.

    Well I’m glad someone knows the rules.

    You cannot swap between the high tower and cheeps seats.

  235. JC

    They are on decline,vlad. The really big issue for us though is that we’re going into the virus season , which may be a problem.

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