Wednesday Forum: April 1, 2020

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  1. Howard Hill

    Mrs H showed me a video on fakebook tonight, of a guy in Dannostan going around to all the major hospitals to witness the carnage the communist media have been telling us about. Couldn’t even find a wheelchair seating a kid with a grazed knee, let alone the grim reaper explaining to the dead they all died from the bat soup. I’m now reading the yanks are finding the same thing, hmmmm?

  2. BorisG

    Spain has 194 deaths per million population (407 Million people)

    Spain has 407 million people ? Is that fools day joke?

    Spain Has shortage of morgues and is converting a cultural center into a morgue.

    Spain has about 10,000 covid fatalities, most over the last two weeks. And doubling every five days. People storming supermarkets, old people’s homes abdandoned with elderly people left among the dead.

    From flu they have about 2500 deaths for the entire seasonal flu season. That is about 200 deaths a week. Can you compare 10,000 to 400 and tell me this about the same as flu. And doubling every 5 days. Still better than NY, where fatalities are doubling every 3 days.

    Long ago I said the US action is too little too late. But I could not have envisaged it to be as bad.

    Yet we cat has these deranged people who don’t believe any facts except their deranged conspiracy theories.

  3. Howard Hill

    I don’t know what’s going to happen, mv. All I know is we’re being played like a fiddle. For what purpose I have my feelings and it ain’t about bats!

  4. Peter the old fossil

    Howard you’re scaring me.
    You’ll have me believing in conspiracy next.
    Shame on you !

  5. BorisG

    That’s why I’m now relying on all you Catallaxy experts to tell me what is going to happen.

    Yeh get some advice from deranged cranks. Very useful.

  6. BorisG

    Fools day passed without a single joke.

    Now that’s real loss.

  7. Peter the old fossil

    I don’t know what’s going to happen, mv. All I know is we’re being played like a fiddle.

    As I said Howard, I’ve read your comments.

  8. Peter the old fossil

    That’s okay Boris.
    Having you around is more than adequate compensation.

  9. Howard Hill

    Yeh get some advice from deranged cranks. Very useful.

    Cranks have more brains than hysterical leftists, that’s for sure.

    Conspiracy. What a convenient way of discrediting people you don’t agree with.
    In the future you’ll be labelled a conspiracy nut for claiming that a whole country was shut down over 20 dead people.

  10. Howard Hill

    So are you still in hospital, pete?

  11. Howard Hill

    Not my words but so true!

    People as uninformed and as gullible as Australians have no future. Australians are a dead people that history is about to run over.

  12. Peter the old fossil

    No. That was weeks ago – only one day and one night.
    Now my guts are held in by a truss while the docs decide if/when to operate.
    A nurse Ratchit comes each day to check me out, and DiL swaps the drip flasks over.
    Fun and games all round.

  13. Howard Hill

    Maybe one day we can compare scars, mv. Mines fifteen inches long. What was your problem.

  14. Colonel Crispin Berka

    I had no idea this new “order” had kicked in for Queensland until now.

    The public health emergency area specified in the order is for ‘all of Queensland’. Its duration has been extended by regulation to 19 May 2020 and may be further extended.

    I think I made a joke about protesting it the other day, because I had no idea it had actually gone ahead, I thought it was just some NSW/Vic police state thing,obviously not something Queensland would ever do.
    Nope, Qld too, apparently, started on 29th. Serves me right for not watching the nightly news I guess.

    How did a UK policy of house arrest suddenly go into effect in Queensland?

    What kind of moron advisers does this government have? Do they not know that 3 weeks is plenty to get rid of the virus? What the hell is this 6 weeks B.S. about?
    I am… concerned.

  15. Howard Hill

    What kind of moron advisers does this government have?

    W.H.O. is advising our quislings?

  16. Howard Hill

    nurse Ratchit

    Hahaha. I felt like I had a nurse, Ratchit when I was in hospital.
    I nick named her, Sidchrome 🙂

  17. Peter the old fossil

    What was your problem.

    This time?
    Had my gall bladder removed fifteen years ago. Then the other week I tried to move something heavy and the scar tissue split and my intestines decided to try and escape through the gap in my peritoneum.

    But if you want to compare scars I’m game. I’ve been beaten up, blown up, stabbed and shot.

  18. Howard Hill

    But if you want to compare scars I’m game. I’ve been beaten up, blown up, stabbed and shot.

    Holy shit, you win, mv. Hope you recover, so you can keep your bragging rites.
    I’ve been shot, but only with a shotty and a slug gun, does that count?
    I haven’t been blown up, but I’ve blown plenty of shit up 🙂

  19. Peter the old fossil

    Getting shot always counts, Howard.
    But the worst was getting beaten up. Crowbars hurt.

  20. Howard Hill

    You’re supposed to dogem, mv. Fuck, I gotta tell people that all he time.

  21. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Front page of The Australian (Wed.) three informative headlines:

    “1. 16,000 fly out after PM’s call to stay

    There are calls for holiday-makers who ignored travel warnings to foot the bill for their forced quarantine when they return home.”

    Pigs! They will stand and stare back blankly at the timid 22 year old from Immigration who is sent forth by middle management to swipe their credit cards, turn their backs and that will be the end of it.

    There was no restriction on 30 or more doctors returning from an enjoyable tax deduction cruising around South America – there was but they landed, ignored it and had a little chap deliver a message for them to Customs “Do go away, you are irritating me and I have jet lag. I am a doctor, shoo.” as they headed off in a limmo to the Qantas Club at Kingsford Smith.

    Nothing stopped the dull-headed krauts who knew that cruise ships were pox incubators but turned up here anyway, jagged a stop-over on Rottnest Island and demanded to be flown home at my expense. I believe these self-absorbed mongs were fed, watered and had their flabby botties wiped by Australia so that we may demonstrate our humanity to the eyes of the world. Who won that war again? And the one before?

    And the “eyes of the world” would be Mugabe’s brats? The King of the Congo, just down from the trees? Prince Saud of Saudi’s several wives?

    2. COVID mission to end cruise ship drama

    A military-style operation is being planned to helicopter doctors on to eight cruise ships stranded off the NSW coast to test more than 8000 passengers.”

    There are a dozen cruise ships waiting off the NSW coast full of wealthy disabled dole pensioners who found the only way to hook their umbilical cord back into a poker machine was to book a cheap cruise with buffet vouchers and duty free goon by the cask. They’re ready to disembark now, which they will, brushing past the 5’3½” customs girlie at the Overseas Terminal with a “Garn get effed!” and she will not do a thing about it, and keep her job.

    You will pay for coddling these drongos and so will I.

    “3. Revealed: 15 dead from three sources

    Three-quarters of all deaths in Australia resulting from the coronavirus pandemic are linked to just three sources of infection – the Ruby Princess and three other returning cruise ships, an aged-care facility and the cancer treatment ward of a major metropolitan public.”

    This was my favorite. In all the whingeing, loud posturing and expert Wikipedia analysis how can this (bolded) level of selfish by individuals be sheeted home to Scott Morrison?

    The Diamond Princess had earlier motored around cooking up germs and a dozen dead ‘uns, from late January to early March. There were daily TV episodes detailing what happened, everyone knew about it. Yet people made their decision and went on their cruises, inviting random others to share their health experience without letting them know they were “in this together”.

    Australians have never been so prepared to do anything to gain advantage – dob in their neighbours, passing strangers and road workers spotted having a smoke or quietly enjoying nice tits strutting by. Managers have never been as weak as they are now, sacking low end labourers and shop assistants because some fat sheila with bad breath and tatts wearing a spinnaker demands it.

    I see the omniscient pre-schooler-adults have recently taken to cursing older people for rattling up billions of dollars of public debt just so that they might survive the bat flu – they are going to die soon anyway, they should accept that and stop visiting this impost on their inheritances.

    Twenty year old smart alecs have never been more taken with the Facebook/Twit-for-brains/Tinder popularity value of the king hit, all big gob and highly amused until it’s their head that hits the pavers and they turn into a vegetable, poor dears.

    Some years back a mate of mine rising 60, now dead – bless him, was on a train from Rosehill Racecourse heading back to his Sydney hotel. He was set upon by a half dozen young toughs and, as he told me, “I couldn’t do anything Mick but cover up”.

    This big bloke, a dozen years older but still as tall as me, had captained the Kangaroos on tour in England and had spent a good few years throwing drunks out of his Gold Coast pubs. He was helpless and friendless that night – not one man stepped in to help. Something similar happened to the great Ron Barassi a decade ago, at 72 belted and kicked in busy St Kilda by a grub and no-one helped him. The skinny thief and junkie was given four years in a jury trial but in 2013 his barrister and three appeal judges colluded to fashion a bullsh.. fable that saw him out of there after two years.

    This is not an attractive account but it is accurate. “We’re all in this together” might have worked back when Chips Rafferty was starring as Harry Kelly, future father in law to Nino Culotta. Not now.

  22. Peter the old fossil

    Bit hard to dodge when you’re tied and being held by a grunt, while an officer tickles you in a friendly manner with the crowbar.

  23. Peter the old fossil

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3388608, posted on April 2, 2020 at 3:47 am

    Thanks for that, Mick. Excellent post.
    I hope a lot more Cats read it later on when they get up.

  24. Peter the old fossil

    I was going for my record of five bottles of shiraz in one all-nighter.
    But I’m not going to make it.
    Night all.

  25. Howard Hill

    Well I hope you recover and enjoy many a night of wit, comedy and stimulating conversation on the cat, mv. I’m praying for you and thank you for your service.

    As I wrote before, Mick.
    Australians are a dead people that history is about to run over.

    I’m off to bed, the cognac is all gone and my eyes are weary. Sweat dreams.

  26. John Comnenus

    Can’t sleep again. Diane Lane – don’t think so JC. Nor Emily Blunt. Selma Hayek for me.

  27. John Comnenus

    After this effort we will never be the same. We will become a big government Euro style ie 40%-50% of the economy. We will be a sluggish high tax, high inflation, high unemployment country with a much lower living standard. Massive debt will hang around our neck weighing down economic growth and driving up interest rates. The only hope is an early and decisive relaxation of the 22 March measures.

    The whole idea of the measures was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the health system. It seems pretty clear that the health system was never under serious great of being overwhelmed in Australia. Unlike Italy who allowed 100,000 Chines guest workers to return to Italy after New Years, we stopped 200,000 Chinese students flooding into Australia for the start of University term. This one decision, despite the work arounds by some, was the single most effective anti COVID measure the Government took.

    Everything after 22 March has been a ridiculous over reaction that has forever changed Australia in a very negative way.

  28. NoFixedAddress

    Hey Stasi Boris G

    You got me and I have corrected the numbers but you wont answer the question

    Spain has 194 deaths per million population (46+ Million people)
    Portugal has 18 deaths per million population (10 Million people)
    Italy has 206 deaths per million population (60+ Million people)
    UK has 35 deaths per million population (68- Million people)
    USA has 12 deaths per million population (330+ Million people)
    Canada has 3 deaths per million population (37+ Million people)
    Australia has 0.8 deaths per million population (25+ Million people)

    How do you explain those number Stasi BorisG?

    And they never mention, apart from Trump actually, how many people they have tested.

    Do you know a bloke called Hanrahan?

  29. Anne

    Anon:

    We misread everything. We had one job.
    C before D.
    Children before Declass.
    It will be Biblical.
    Let my people go.
    It’s ALL about the children

    They are freeing the children now.
    Then the pain. Then the declass.
    Then the trials and the treason and the death.
    Those who know cannot sleep.
    Nothing can stop what is coming.

  30. jupes

    After this effort we will never be the same. We will become a big government Euro style ie 40%-50% of the economy. We will be a sluggish high tax, high inflation, high unemployment country with a much lower living standard. Massive debt will hang around our neck weighing down economic growth and driving up interest rates.

    Worse, we have politicians, public servants and police who have turned the country into a police state and large amounts of the population, if not the majority, not only accept it, but encourage it.

    Australia is so fucked.

  31. Megan

    April Fools day passed without a single joke.

    Now that’s real loss.

    I read a great one about MeAgain and the Ginger Corgi! And the current circumstances in Yarragrad surely qualify.

  32. Anne

    Wow, this image from the UK says it all.

    If you don’t know the meaning of the ‘red shoes’, Google it.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/coralineelise/status/1245423540951748610

  33. NoFixedAddress

    Boris G

    Spain has a normal Death Rate / 1000 of 9.1 which is 425+ Thousand per year or 8,180 per week.

    Italy has a normal Death Rate / 1000 of 10.4 which is 621+ Thousand per year or 11,950 per week,

  34. Anne

    Go to @Coralineelise to see that image.

  35. NoFixedAddress

    Australia has a normal Death Rate / 1000 of 7.3 which is 186+ Thousand per year or 3,590 per week

  36. Anne

    FISA brings down the house.
    C before D.
    Q

    Children before Declass of Fisa.

    They’re pulling the children out of the tunnels, right now.

  37. rickw

    So sweet!

    Mike Lester.

  38. rickw

    Three-quarters of all deaths in Australia resulting from the coronavirus pandemic are linked to just three sources of infection – the Ruby Princess and three other returning cruise ships, an aged-care facility and the cancer treatment ward of a major metropolitan public.

    There needs to be a Royal Commission into who let the plague ships disembark.

    If coronavirus is really a serious problem in Australia, then government made it that way, they didn’t do their most basic job, border control.

  39. jupes

    There needs to be a Royal Commission into who let the plague ships disembark.

    A waste of time and (more importantly) money. Aren’t they currently conducting a RC into the bushfires? How many is that now?

    Politicians are hardly likely to appoint a commissioner who will hold them accountable.

  40. rickw

    A waste of time and (more importantly) money. Aren’t they currently conducting a RC into the bushfires? How many is that now?

    Politicians are hardly likely to appoint a commissioner who will hold them accountable.

    I know, but you have to try, and this one might be rather more difficult to squirm out of as it isn’t a confluence of many poor decisions by many people, but rather a few poor decisions by a few people.

  41. Struth

    As a proud crank allow me to continue to be cranky.

    Facts.
    The Italians have admitted to blaming Coronavirus for deaths it did not contribute to.
    It’s overall death rate from last year has not gone up.
    England has had nearly exactly the same amount of deaths this year as last year.
    New York is a communist controlled precinct, and so like many socialist corrupted bureaucracies should not be trusted to tell you anything.
    You can’t believe a word from China in the same way.
    (by the way, many here have an inconsistent view that China cannot be trusted, yet socialist marched through bureaucracies world wide can be!)

    We know for a fact, from History the left neither care about death , and if it suits their power hungry goal will encourage it and make it happen.
    They hate capitalism and the west.
    (I know this all sounds really crank inspired and silly, but stick with me).
    The west was starting to pull away from the increasing takeover of global socialism, and the socialists called it, populism and even dare I say it, nationalism.
    Yeeks.
    Half the population of the world, the wrong half, screamed and screamed blue murder.

    They have been doing everything to get rid of him and, in their eyes, the law is not meant for them.
    He starts beating China and changing things to the point that by the end of his presidency, they would not be able to continue on as business as usual.

    China owns our country by way of trade and corruption of our leaders, this is obvious.
    It owns the UN, WHO and controls votes and appointments etc.
    It’s tenticles reach wide and far.
    Over many years, through our education system , people have not only been taught how bad the west is, but how good China and socialism is.
    To get to the point, this has been developing for decades, without China the socialists have been working away.
    The cultural Marxists.
    Now there is an election coming up in a few months, and as we see evidence emerge that we have just been told lies by those who are in on this and also lies from the many more who benifirt from those lies, and those like power hungry cops who don’t know anything , but love the control the lies they are being told give them, we have to see it for what it is.

    This may have actually nothing to do with the god emperor Xi, it may do.
    That’s not what us cranks think.
    What us cranks think is that socialism is so embedded in our bureaucracies that to believe what they are spewing out without question, due to fear, and selfishness, is at best naive, and at worst complicit.

    It is also a fact that these people cannot operate outside the rule of law which I have proven, via the constitution that they are.
    For god sake, they are letting people through based on the number plates on their cars.
    If you quarantine one Australian for crossing your state border, and not another, based on where they live in the commonwealth, you are are criminal, it can’t be done.
    You may be able to quarantine people but you must do it to all.
    So there is one example.
    You only need to murder one person before they call you a murderer.
    You are a criminal when you break the law.
    And I have been told many times by police, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    So we have criminals, who have taken Australia by force of arms, into a martial law crackdown, based on dodgy figures by those who feel they have been in a state of war with the west, the world over, since before Trump, but especially since Trump.
    Socialist around the world, have a special interest in pushing this con.
    From health bureaucrats in Australia who simply love the attention and the fact they may get more money out of the taxpayers for their departments, to George Soros, ………..what do you think he is doing right now?
    Silly Crank I am.
    The Davos mob, the Socialist Internationale’ where the head of the UN comes from.
    Are they all telling everyone to calm down, and let’s get some facts?

    I am not a crank.
    I am just not willfully ignorant through fear.
    You know, like Trump there will be politicians who know they’d be toast if they didn’t play along to a point, and then work out how to fight back.
    But to not think the hatred of the west and Trump in the heart of old Belt and Roads man, communist Dan Andrews, is driving him, is just pure willful ignorance.

    So call me a crank.

  42. bespoke

    Twostix
    #3388473, posted on April 1, 2020 at 11:26 pm
    Strange how all over the world governments are enacting identical laws and identical “blunders” (like innocently banning guns shops which california just did too) on the exact same day.

    Almost like there’s an international collaboaration going on by our very internationalist “experts” class.

    But they aren’t identical laws and identical “blunders” only just enough for conspiracy theorist to claim legitimacy for there more wild claims. As it’s bean said up thread people are taking advantage of this crises it’s a pity we only have a few in Gov doing the same with what we think are the priorities.

  43. bespoke

    So call me a crank.

    OK 🤣

  44. Struth

    I didn’t even mention the complicity of the left wing owned and dominated MSM.

    But whether you see the police in this country doing their duty and all just misguided dummies following orders, or you see them as taking every opportunity to bash us into submission, the facts remain, given an inch, they are enthusiastically taking a mile.
    They are not there to enforce the law, with a love of decency and sovereignty and freedom.
    They are at war with an enemy, and we are the enemy.

  45. Anne

    The My Pillow guy that Trump thanked yesterday for shifting production to Surgical Masks, is offering other product discounts.

    The Coupon Code is “Q”. 😜

  46. mh

    UK 563 Corona deaths yesterday.

  47. Struth

    Again my point is, with socialists , and all western bureaucracies are basically run by them, the media is run by them etc, in charge of the info, and when it suits their purpose to inflame this or outright lie, can you verify what you are being told is the truth, when Italy has already been sprung?

    Are you willing to let the west go down due to what may be propaganda?
    Italy was propaganda.
    Notice how the MSM on finding out how the Italians were calculating deaths by virus, let the whole world know about it?
    Neither did I.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    Derryn fucking Hinch on the teev comparing self isolation to being jailed. ‘I know all about it.’

    Then expounded that this is the baddest thing to hit the planet since the Black Death (in 1357*), followed up with the Bat Death would be the worst thing ever seen in his lifetime.

    So – by next week, hopefully.

    *The first wave. For all the purists out there.

  49. Crossie

    A waste of time and (more importantly) money. Aren’t they currently conducting a RC into the bushfires? How many is that now?

    Politicians are hardly likely to appoint a commissioner who will hold them accountable.

    Not this time, we will be so angry because the whole country has been affected. They might have been able to get away with the trade unions royal commission and even the bushfires but when you impoverish the whole country you better have some answers or at least give us a sacrificial lamb.

  50. Knuckle Dragger

    Stefanovic the Younger also postulating that ‘up to 250,000 people might be killed by the virus’.

    ‘Killed’ by the virus. As opposed to contracting the virus, or dying from the virus. As though a giant silverback gorilla wearing a C19 hat is crushing random skulls with pick handles in the street.

  51. calli

    Someone up thread moaned that April 1 went by without a joke.

    I posted the Malaysia story on tips for wives in social isolation. Does that count?

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    Fuller, the NSW Commish needs to publicly back off, back up and apologise for the overreaction from what will undoubtedly turn out to be one of his panicky inner circle.

    The footage of his road Nazis (traffic cops, because that’s what they were) shooing away sunbathers has damaged any remaining public confidence in the wallopers, in the southern states at least.

    Idiots.

  53. stackja

    Doctors from Chile cruise ship ‘detained’ in Sydney hotel
    While thirty-one of their colleagues allegedly skipped strict quarantine measures, more than 20 doctors who attended a medical convention on a cruise ship off Chile remain ‘detained’ in a Sydney hotel.

    Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    April 2, 2020 5:59am

    Doctors from the cruise ship where 31 others allegedly skipped immediate quarantine claim they have been “detained” at a Sydney hotel and denied food.

    In an angry missive fired off from Sydney airport on Saturday, one of the organisers of the cruise ship tried to get 20 doctors out of the hotel where they are staying for their compulsory period of self-isolation.

    “At least 20 of our doctors are being detained by police at the Rydges Hotel in Sydney, being denied access to food and being asked to signed the attached document,” the email from Unconventional Conventions managing director, Mark Cunich states.

    The cruise organisers, Rod and Margo Cunich, did not quarantine at an airport hotel and are at their home in Vaucluse in Sydney’s east.

    As well as organising medical conferences, Rod and Margo Cunich run an activist group, the Quiet Australians Stand Up for Climate Change, and have organised protests outside of Liberal MPs offices including Dan Tehan and Katie Allen.

    Their local Wentworth MP, Dave Sharma, is a regular target. Despite this he contacted DFAT to help the stranded cruise return to Australia.

    The cruise left Australia on February 29. This was a month after the World Health Organisation declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January.

    “They departed at a time when this was quite clear it was becoming an international health pandemic,” Mr Sharma said.

  54. stackja

    Coronavirus ban: more than 100 Australian doctors and …www.theguardian.com › world › mar › coronavirus-covid-19-australi…
    Mar 17, 2020 – … medical and dental conference put on by Unconventional Conventions. … The convention host is an accredited education provider with the …

  55. Mater

    Not this time, we will be so angry because the whole country has been affected. They might have been able to get away with the trade unions royal commission and even the bushfires but when you impoverish the whole country you better have some answers or at least give us a sacrificial lamb.

    Nah, Crossie. They are playing with a double headed coin.
    Number of deaths remain low – “Look! We saved you”
    Number skyrocket – “We did everything we could, didn’t you see!”
    Most Australians are so fucking stupid and unquestioning that they’ll eat it up like ice cream – whilst sitting in the gutter in front of what was, once, their family home.

    This is the nature of the new age of ‘existential’ threats which exist only in models. Can never be proved or disproved, either in the present, or in hindsight. It’s pretty ingenious actually.

    I almost miss the days when such threats dropped actual bombs on you.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    Coppers don’t mind being bad, in the right circumstances.

    But they absolutely hate looking bad. Actual cops will be foaming with rage at the jury fuckers on motorbikes – with their red and blues going, the cocks – scaring off people having the effrontery to use a walking track to exercise.

  57. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3388666, posted on April 2, 2020 at 7:59 am
    Someone up thread moaned that April 1 went by without a joke.”

    That was BolshevikG…and he was and is the joke.

  58. calli

    As well as organising medical conferences, Rod and Margo Cunich run an activist group, the Quiet Australians Stand Up for Climate Change, and have organised protests outside of Liberal MPs offices including Dan Tehan and Katie Allen.

    Ahhhh. Those doctors.

    Here they are.

    Except he is a lawyer and she is a GP. Let that sink in. Not specialists on a ground-breaking “conference”. Just a pair of activist hoovers on a junket.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘“At least 20 of our doctors are being detained by police at the Rydges Hotel in Sydney, being denied access to food and being asked to signed the attached document,” the email from Unconventional Conventions managing director, Mark Cunich states.’

    Who the fuck are ‘our’ doctors, and why is this flog trying to get them out of quarantine?

    ‘The cruise organisers, Rod and Margo Cunich, did not quarantine at an airport hotel and are at their home in Vaucluse in Sydney’s east.’

    Too early for Vaucluse jokes. Or…….. is it?

    ‘As well as organising medical conferences, Rod and Margo Cunich run an activist group, the Quiet Australians Stand Up for Climate Change, and have organised protests outside of Liberal MPs offices including Dan Tehan and Katie Allen.’

    So. From this we glean that Rod and Margo Cunich should have been dragged into the street and set on fire well before this, and are now actively attempting to have people released out of a known disease vector quarantine with no reason given for this treachery.

    I for one would really like to hear what Rod and Margo have to say for themselves.

  60. Herodotus

    Calli, I reckon the Daniel Andrews instruction to singles qualifies as April 1 material.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Too sharp and too quick, calli.

    Brilliant. They even look like caricatures of the typical freak shows.

  62. OldOzzie

    OPINION
    Chinese propaganda is now citing US journalists’ and Democrats’ coronavirus rhetoric

    If the Chinese Communist Party cites you favorably in one of its propaganda videos, it might be time to take a step back.

    Democrats and members of the U.S. news media should be reconsidering their remarks defending and praising China amid the COVID-19 pandemic, especially now that those remarks are being highlighted by China’s aggressive and sophisticated propaganda machine.

    The Global Times, a state-run Chinese tabloid, released a video recently highlighting various U.S. media personalities and Democratic leaders, who have pushed the Beijing-approved talking point that it is racist to refer to the virus by its country or city of origin.

    The video features CNN’s Chris Cuomo and NBC News’s Richard Engel. The Chinese-produced propaganda also cites failed two-time presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

    As a reminder: The push to get people to stop referring to COVID-19 as the “Chinese virus” or the “Wuhan virus” is part of a broader propaganda campaign by the Chinese Communist Party to absolve itself of responsibility for the spread of the pandemic that spread solely because of its lies and its cover-up.

    To those American journalists and politicians who took their talking points straight from Beijing — I hope you’re proud of yourselves.

  63. calli

    I wonder if the Cunich’s consciences were exercised over the vast amount of diesel the cruise ship crunched through on their junket? All that debbildebbil CO2 spewed out of the Chilean coast?

    Nah.

    They don’t really believe any of it, the despicable frauds.

  64. Knuckle Dragger

    You can bet that the family business, Unconventional Conventions, run by Mummy and Daddy and with the (snork) ‘Managing Director’ Mark on the teat, with be dodging and/or bulldozing every tax dodge loophole they can find, while at the same time railing against ‘the system’.

  65. calli

    I remembered them, Knuckles. They claimed to speak for “grandparents” on the Climate hoax.

    A/holes of the first water. Now exposed in all their hypocritical glory.

  66. Cassie of Sydney

    As well as organising medical conferences, Rod and Margo Cunich run an activist group, the Quiet Australians Stand Up for Climate Change, and have organised protests outside of Liberal MPs offices including Dan Tehan and Katie Allen.”

    Ahhhh. Those doctors.

    Here they are.

    Except he is a lawyer and she is a GP. Let that sink in. Not specialists on a ground-breaking “conference”. Just a pair of activist hoovers on a junket.

    I just want to laugh and laugh and laugh. Here’s a suggestion….let’s leave the activist scum on the floating coffin. And as for that parasitic pair….Rod and Margot Cunich….both of whom have a long history of far-left progressive activism, both of whom live in some splendour here in Wentworth (of course they do) and both of whom, in January of this year, organised a small demo outside the office of the current member for Wentworth, which sufficiently scared the living daylights out of that wimp, limp lettuce leaf called Dave Sharma who then released a statement urging more “climate change” action and policies….all because of a small demonstration organised by well heeled scum.

    Leave them to swim back to Australia.

  67. calli

    Medical cruise conferences are pretty common. A family member organised one for midwifes not so long ago. Nice little cruise around the south Pacific.

    I did wonder out loud why they couldn’t hold it in Sydney or Melbourne or even a nice place like Coffs or Port Macquarie. Nah. Not that type of conference. Wink.

  68. Cassie of Sydney

    Both Rod and Margot Cunich are frauds.

  69. Twostix

    We’re unwitting guinea pigs of a huge public health policy experiment by the medical technocracy.

    And they readily admit that they gave no idea what they’re doing, but we’re going to do it forever.

    “One of the things that needs to happen now is a better understanding of which social-distancing measures actually worked and how well,” said Grad, noting that sufficient data was still several weeks away. “Does it matter if we close schools? Or large sporting arena events? Or is what really matters getting rid of bars and restaurants and preventing even small groups from mixing?”

    His IHME team has not yet modeled the potential resurgence of the virus. “It’s on our to-do list,” he said.

    “It’s like a fire. If you don’t completely put it out, it will come back. You have to keep suppressing it,” Michael Osterholm, professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told The Daily Beast

    They’re talking about eternal lockdowns because obviously locking everyone up only temporarily suppresses the virus.

    We’re in so much trouble.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    The perfect time, considering the immediate popularity of the couple soon to be known on social media as Roddenmarg, to repost a bit of Mick GCQ from 3.47;

    ‘There was no restriction on 30 or more doctors returning from an enjoyable tax deduction cruising around South America – there was but they landed, ignored it and had a little chap deliver a message for them to Customs “Do go away, you are irritating me and I have jet lag. I am a doctor, shoo.” as they headed off in a limmo to the Qantas Club at Kingsford Smith.

    ‘Nothing stopped the dull-headed krauts who knew that cruise ships were pox incubators but turned up here anyway, jagged a stop-over on Rottnest Island and demanded to be flown home at my expense. I believe these self-absorbed mongs were fed, watered and had their flabby botties wiped by Australia so that we may demonstrate our humanity to the eyes of the world. Who won that war again? And the one before?’

  71. Farmer Gez

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3388687, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:21 am
    Both Rod and Margot Cunich are frauds.

    Not frauds Cassie but true to type.
    Did any of us believe that wealthy leftists wouldn’t jump into the lifeboats first?

  72. Twostix

    “We’re buying time until a vaccine,” said Juliette Kayyem, faculty chairwoman of the homeland security project at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government

    So are we imprisoned until the virus magically dissappears in a few years – so say our medical expert data bugmen, or until a vaccine is developed one day – if ever so say our public health policy bugmen.

    And if one is developed…what about people who don’t want to get it?

    Now we start to see.

  73. Boambee John

    Howard H

    Mines fifteen inches long.

    Phrasing!

  74. Cassie of Sydney

    “Did any of us believe that wealthy leftists wouldn’t jump into the lifeboats first?”

    Of course….similar to what happened on the Titanic where the working classes were left to drown beneath deck. There is no difference.

  75. bespoke

    calli
    #3388675, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Ahhhh. Those doctors.

    Here they are.

    If I cut the rope that stopping me going about my lawful business in protest, Who will get fined?
    Yes I no rhetorical

  76. calli

    The people I feel most sorry for are the workers on those ships. Not the pampered passengers.

    They live out their days in windowless cabins below the waterline, work extremely long hours and depend on tips to supplement their meagre pay. They come from poor places – Filipinos mostly. They work nine months with three with the family. Now they are caught in ships full of sickness and fearful, entitled, angry passengers.

    The cruise line owners are depending on our decency over these people, because they have none.

    Australian passport holders need to be repatriated. Sick people should be taken off the ships and treated here. We would expect no less for Australians caught abroad in similar circumstances. Passengers holding foreign passports (I’m thinking all those Germans) should be assisted by their consulates here to be repatriated immediately. The ships should be provisioned and sent back to their home ports.

    None of this will happen of course. No matter what the country, bureaucrats are all care and no responsibility.

  77. Gilas

    Aahhh.. Margot Cunich…
    Knew her when she was a junior RMO in a Sydney hospital.

    Memorable because of her massive jugs and tight jeans.
    Nothing else.

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    The death toll in the unlocked-down yet landlocked, un-social distancing Belarus doubled overnight.

    The current toll stands at two.

  79. Caveman

    Fuller just said the shits gonna go on for another 90 days. That will take us thru winter. It’s going to be ugly.

  80. Twostix

    What is obvious from that article is that a class of global medical data and public health technocrats are in charge of the entire western world right now without limits.

    Our politicians are their mouthpieces.

    Right down to putting tape on playgrounds – this is coordinated.

    And they quietly admit they are making this all up as they go along and really don’t know how to make this end.
    But we see two factions:
    Data technocrats say “It’s lockdowns forever.”
    Public health bugmen “Lockdowns forever, or until a vaccine comes then mandatory vaccines.”

    Never the obvious:

    No lockdown – everyone just gets over and on with it.

    We see the natural authoritarian nature of the technocratic class flow.

  81. Anne

    Daily briefing.

    Trump wearing a pink and pale blue tie.

    For the children.

  82. Trump live – creating a major diversionary operation – “counter narcotics”.

    Reminds me of Bush’s “get square” exercise after 9/11.
    We saw where that ended up.
    You can’t “get square” on a virus, so an enemy has to be found.
    It’s the oldest distraction in the book.
    It didn’t work for Galtieri…..

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    The good news is, everyone coming into the NT after midnight tonight has to pay for their own enforced quarantine.

    Up to now it’s been free.

    No exemptions for anyone, including essential service workers.

    Book those tickets, Roddenmarg. I furkin derya.

  84. jupes

    Trump wearing a pink and pale blue tie.

    For the children.

    Fuck off Anne. Enough.

  85. Farmer Gez

    A good opening rain for us and a great follow up for others in the farming game.
    Falls of 10-20mm+ have been recorded over much of the Southern farming belt of Victoria and NSW. It’s good news as the last thing we need in this crisis is a drought.

  86. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Fuck off Anne. Enough.’

    I’m going to succumb to peer group pressure on this one.

    Anne – you’re dropped.

  87. stackja

    Two Tom interruptus this morning.

  88. Twostix

    We also see that Australia’s “experts” are just taking their cues from the the UK and US.

    Nothing here is novel. Which is why our response is a mishmash aping of theirs even though it often makes absolutely no sense. It’s a cargo cult.

    If you want to know whats coming here tommirrow look at what their “experts” are saying today.

  89. This crew resemble the Doctors on the cruise.
    The rules don’t apply, because they’re special.

    Ultra-Orthodox Melbourne J e ws condemned over holding religious services
    March 27, 2020
    Je w ish community leaders and politicians slam members of community after video shows worshippers entering makeshift synagogue in St Kilda, flouting coronavirus ban.
    Groups of ultra-Orthodox J e ws have held prayer meetings in Melbourne this week in defiance of strict social-distancing rules designed to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
    State MPs blasted the the groups who met late at night in small private venues to conduct daily “minyan” prayers, a type of worship that requires the presence of 10 or more J e wish men.
    The gatherings have raised concerns about the spread of the virus in the J e wish community. Local MP David Southwick, who referred the matter to police, said it was “appalling that people are not following the rules and putting lives in danger”.
    J e wish community leaders and politicians have slammed members of a Melbourne ultra-orthodox community for allegedly holding breakaway religious services of up to 50 people in contravention of a mass gathering ban.
    Video has emerged of worshippers entering a makeshift synagogue at a residential address on Glen Eira Road in St Kilda East on Wednesday night, after all synagogues and places of worship in the city were shut down to comply with federal government measures.
    In the footage, taken about 8pm on Wednesday, worshippers can be seen entering through the gates of a home which has lights set up in its backyard, where it is understood they attended a minyan – a prayer gathering of 10 J e wish men.
    Photo: Still footage of a gathering of ultra-Orthodox J e ws in Melbourne

    (Spamator won’t let me link).

  90. Eyrie

    Farmer Gez
    #3388713, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:47 am

    “A good opening rain for us and a great follow up for others in the farming game.
    Falls of 10-20mm+ have been recorded over much of the Southern farming belt of Victoria and NSW. It’s good news as the last thing we need in this crisis is a drought.”

    Good, we might get to sell some more of the air pressure sensors for ag equipment.

    The “sports equipment” industry ain’t on fire right now.

  91. feelthebern

    Both Rod and Margot Cunich are frauds.

    It’s like these frauds & their friends are doing their best to spread the virus.

  92. Eyrie

    “It’s like these frauds & their friends are doing their best to spread the virus.”
    A little more subtle than the black hats in Tom Clancy’s “Rainbow Six”.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Stix,

    I really think it is peer group pressure. State and Territory governments in this country, and the various Health, Education and probably police departments within them won’t do a goddamn thing without making sure everyone else is doing it.

    In like manner, they love alignment with their colleagues elsewhere in the nation. otherwise known as ‘lockstep’. It’s not surprising our local idiots are taking their cues from overseas idiots.

    Of course, such things as geography, demographics, population per square km, climate, topography and mass transit systems mean nothing to them.

    Because lockstep.

  94. Trump wearing a pink and pale blue tie.

    And everybody on the podium looks dazed.
    Question about how the narcotics operation is relevant to the pandemic.
    Trump’s answer – “We are now focused on different things.”
    More dazed looks.
    It resembles Fawtly Towers – “Don’t mention the virus”.

  95. jupes

    Of course….similar to what happened on the Titanic where the working classes were left to drown beneath deck.

    Not true (according to Mark Steyn in his book After America) Cassie.

  96. Farmer Gez

    Fun and games this morning.
    Parked the loaded truck in a hay shed last night to keep it nice and dry with forecast rain of a few millimetres.
    It rained 20mm and the gravel on the track is a bit thin.
    With a tractor in front, we dragged and skidded 45 tonne for about 300 metres until we got to the road.
    The workman is off to unload at the local feed mill and I’m back home for a coffee.

    Hey Numbers, got your coffee yet?

  97. Not true (according to Mark Steyn in his book After America) Cassie.

    Now now, Jupes – you’ll be banished to Cassie’s toilet block.

  98. calli

    But it looked great and heartrending in the movie, jupes.

    I bet there was no big blue sapphire either.

    But there was a bej ewelled copy of OmarKhayyam.

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    Liability Bob.

    I know you’re doing this on purpose to wind up Cassie et al, and you’re probably feeling a bit chipper because the Metamucil’s kicked in early, but:

    If you’re as dispassionate about this sort of thing as you claim to be, why haven’t you similarly posted about the RoPer wedding in Melbourne, or the Preston mosk, or the ones in Lakemba and Logan?

    Because you’re searching for relevance, and this blog owns you, that’s why.

    Proven liar.
    Demonstrated fraud.
    Uncovered plagiarist. None of this can be denied.

  100. Trump’s comment when asked about the Chinese reaction to the virus –

    The high level people didn’t know about it.

    Then flicks to how many ventilators are being made in the USA.
    Bizarre….

  101. Cassie of Sydney

    Anyone who wants proof of the eternal Jooo hatred of the racist Turd from Toowoomba…see the above post….I note that the Toowooba piece of excrement hasn’t posted anything on that Victorian wedding a few days ago…..because the racist chooses to ignore that….does not fit his narrative. And note his use of the word “special”….worthy of Goebbels. But we know that they are two peas from the same pod.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    Tell us again how to ‘clear a weapon’ so it doesn’t become ‘noisy and dangerous’, you condescending pompous cock.

  103. Knuckle Dragger

    Tell us again how you get your missus to do the shopping while you wait in the car, you manly man you.

    Tell us again about how you haven’t darkened the door of an RSL since 1971, aside from all those other times you did.

    Tell us again about your indig mate from your Foreign Legion rifle section, the number of which you said you couldn’t remember, and who was segregated in a Melbourne pub in the 80s until you ‘angry diggers’ did some white knighting.

    Tell us again about your pro bono advocacy that wasn’t, and about how you railed at the BFBs when they took your spack bus away.

  104. If you’re as dispassionate about this sort of thing as you claim to be, why haven’t you similarly posted about the RoPer wedding in Melbourne, or the Preston mosk, or the ones in Lakemba and Logan?

    Not necessary.
    Already posted.

    Why haven’t you posted about St Kilda?
    Cassie got you bluffed?
    And where have I claimed to be “dispassionate”?

    Attention seeking failed soldier with no operational experience..
    Frostbite victim.
    Bullshit purveyor par excellence.
    None of this can be denied.

  105. Real Deal

    They don’t really believe any of it, the despicable frauds.

    Harsh but very fair, Calli.

  106. Tell us again how to ‘clear a weapon’ so it doesn’t become ‘noisy and dangerous’, you condescending pompous cock.

    There there.
    Have a bex and a good lie down.

    On second thoughts, don’t.
    You’re great entertainment.

  107. Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t call him the lying, racist, Joooo hating HD for nothing..,..he is obviously wearing his SS uniform this morning…he is very excited.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    Tell us again about the time you got free ammo at the US range, and the time you refused to tip a $1.50 an hour waiter, choosing instead to lecture his bewildered manager on US wage policy.

    Tell us again about the ‘cheerful scholar’, unless that was an outrider.

    And tell us again about the opt-out parade you claim you never had, and at which you deserted your apparent principles once again because you didn’t want to look bad in front of other people, which led to you going jack on your mates to the point you were taken away from them for your own safety. You gigantic pompous coward.

  109. because the racist chooses to ignore that

    As has been pointed out here many times before, some people are unable to distinguish between a race and a religion.

  110. Tell us again about the ‘cheerful scholar’, unless that was an outrider.

    Now now – get your story straight.
    It was “cheerful squalor”, not “cheerful scholar”.
    Go back to bed – you’re losing it.

  111. Cassie of Sydney

    The SS guard is excited.

  112. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Attention seeking failed soldier’

    Incorrect.

    ‘with no operational experience..’

    Correct.

    ‘Frostbite victim.’

    Also correct.

    ‘Bullshit purveyor par excellence.’

    Thank you, seeker of truth and facts.

  113. And tell us again about the opt-out parade you claim you never had,

    All in good time.
    My surveys are showing something strange.
    Some diggers don’t remember these parades at all.
    Some diggers remember others talking about the parades.
    Nobody remembers actually being present.
    But I’ll look at the data when it’s all in.

  114. Mater

    It was “cheerful squalor”, not “cheerful scholar”.

    Wrong!

    1735099
    #2938927, posted on February 20, 2019 at 8:43 am

    Probably the only one I’d consider visiting.

    Cuba’s great.
    Safe, cheap (except you have to take a weird route to get there thanks to US pig-headedness), and great fun.
    Beautiful food, music everywhere, an amazing mix of architecture, and astounding scenery.
    One of the strangest sights are the women in uniform. There is compulsory military service, and that includes women. They wear military uniforms, but seem to have plenty of latitude with accessories. You see gaggles of young attractive women in uniform with patterned stockings/tights* of all kinds and colours. Military skirts are fashionably short, and the dress uniforms look tailored, and the same Latin bling exhibited by the women is evident in the men.
    Lobsters are cheap and beautifully cooked, accommodation (hostales y pensiones) clean and plentiful, and the people are unfailingly generous and funny.
    There’s squalor, but it’s cheerful scholar, unlike what I saw in the US rust belt which is menacing.

  115. bespoke

    The SS guard is excited.

    Indeed not since his ‘teaching’ days has he had such a captive audience. But this time people notice that he has no pants on.

  116. The presser continues.
    Armed forces head honchos depart after reading their scripts.
    Reporters trying to connect this with a press conference about the virus.
    Bait and switch…..

  117. There’s squalor, but it’s cheerful scholar, unlike what I saw in the US rust belt which is menacing.

    Mater scurries off to find a typo, and gets very excited.
    I own him, and great slabs of his time.

  118. Colonel Crispin Berka

    That Mark Knight #2 cartoon is way off and wrong.
    I won’t say all the other “Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions” are necessary, because not all of them are, but the cash debt injection into the economy would not be done if we already had a vaccine. Based on normal safety protocol we could not get a vaccine in less than a year, which is about 6 months too late to be of any use in this pandemic.

    Leak‘s reminds me of ScoMo’s urgent preoccupation with keeping personal trainers operating.

    Well-washed-hands down the best today is Gary Varvel.

    Thanks, Tom.

  119. notafan

    Wow

    A 2000 word essay and in the very first sentence he repeats a falsehood.

    Stopped reading after that.

  120. Trump talks about the Spanish flu, but goes off script, and gets the year wrong.
    Surely it’s parody…..

  121. calli

    It’s very easy to search for old comments, provided you know the commenter and a couple of key words.

  122. Mater

    I own him, and great slabs of his time.

    Actually, thanks to the likes of you, the government does now.

  123. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Sinc, I sent you an email.

  124. Mater

    It’s very easy to search for old comments, provided you know the commenter and a couple of key words.

    Yes, Calli, and “cheerful scholar” is rather unique.

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    How is your cruise for June looking now, Calli? I agree with your suggestions about decent behaviour by our government to those cruise ships sheltering in Australian waters. We can do something to help, and morally should do so.

    The hatred towards and denigration of people who have enjoyed cruises is fairly extreme here at the moment (yet cruisers are by no means always super wealthy, just the normal run of people for the most part). They cop though the usual tall poppy syndrome at play. Vaucluse, btw, is just a place of residence for well off people, of whom there are many in Australia, a lot of whom have helped make this country by their entrepreneurship. Similar suburbs exist throughout our urban areas. There are good and bad, honest people and poseurs, at all levels of society. Vaucluse is no different in that regard although as an old established harborside area house prices have shot up to extremes. While I despise the two ‘climate mongers’ who live locally, their business selling cruises is legitimate, and as I have pointed out earlier, the passengers from the cruise conference they organised actually flew in BEFORE the cut off date for permitting home isolation (as we did a day or so before). These passengers, who happened to be medical workers (and thus subject here and elsewhere to a disgraceful ‘tall poppy’ ire), were caught in a nightmare of bureaucratic misunderstandings about the timing of the edict and have every right to feel distressed by that.

    It was all part of the hysterical kneejerk reaction to ‘fixing’ perceived problems with self-quarantine, showing an excess of zeal by public health bureaucrats who had serious egg on their faces from the Ruby Princess fiasco.

  126. Trump live –

    I’ve never seen anything like it – the way people are working together.

    He’s referring to social distancing….

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Numbers, you comment there re ‘social distancing and ‘working together’ showed some wit and made me laugh. First time ever from you.

  128. NoFixedAddress

    From the Jellybeans post above,

    In the footage, taken about 8pm on Wednesday, worshippers can be seen entering through the gates of a home which has lights set up in its backyard, where it is understood they attended a minyan – a prayer gathering of 10 J e wish men.

    Good on them and the screamers can get fkd

    I actually don’t care about the Muesli wedding either

    What really pisses me is that you can go to a supermarket and only 5 people can attend a funeral.

    Do the sick government XUNTS include the deceased in the count?

  129. calli

    The Italians have admitted to blaming Coronavirus for deaths it did not contribute to.

    Not quite right. The Italians are attributing Coronavirus as the COD for infected people.

    The person who dies has both coronavirus and another ailment, which may or may not have caused death. So, rather than dying of septicaemia next week from an infected hangnail, they are dying this week from coronavirus.

    Does that sum it up, or am I missing something?

  130. More live blogging.
    Trump reminded of his comments ‘It’s just a flu”.
    He quotes the stats and says – “It’s more contagious than the flu”.
    He’s been down the road to Damascus….

  131. custard

    I’m normally getting ready for work around now so I don’t usually get to see the posts from this Vietnam fuck-wit.

  132. Mater

    It was “cheerful squalor”, not “cheerful scholar”.

    So another day, another Bob lie uncovered.
    Monotonous in its regularly.

  133. bespoke

    Early round up.

    Tell us again about the ‘cheerful scholar’, unless that was an outrider.

    Now now – get your story straight.
    It was “cheerful squalor”, not “cheerful scholar”.

    ===

    Mater scurries off to find a typo, and gets very excited.

    Fascinating I may do a PHd on it 😉. Note also the adoption of other people insults so quickly and the Anne like decryption of Trumps words. Not sock hunting just pointing out the mental similarity’s.

  134. Numbers, you comment there re ‘social distancing and ‘working together’ showed some wit and made me laugh. First time ever from you.

    Trump said that – not me.

  135. NoFixedAddress

    Doomlord

    Your falling down on the job!

    Where’s the NEW THREAD??

  136. stackja

    Why did people travel overseas since January? Why are people on cruises?

  137. calli

    Cancelled, Lizzie. Gone, kaput.

    Viking are offering full refunds, bless them, or a 125% voucher for a future date. Haven’t yet decided how to respond.

    On cruises, I have noticed a marked downturn in behaviour of patrons in the past 2 years. And it’s pretty obvious who are the worst offenders, particularly at the buffet. Which is why it’s now not serve-yourself, but be served by staff. I go to the dining room most times, even for breakfast. I refuse to watch jumped up peasants eating with their hands. It makes me sound like a snob, but my knuckles cringe from memories of mother’s raps with the nearest implement if I transgressed. Not conducive to good digestion!

    The Beloved informs me that men do not wash their hands after… Women seem also not to attend to basic hygiene either. Cultural or poorly trained.

    Other than that, I choose ones that stop at a port most days, I’m off and on a tour or just walking around. At sea, I’m usually holed up in a sunny corner with a book or stitching. I don’t go much for dressing up, but it’s nice to put on glad rags for dinner. It makes the food taste better and is a good reminder of the waistband strain,

    On the people parked at sea – the ship’s owners/masters are deplorable playing the Mexican stand-off. However, we are not reduced to being savages just yet.

  138. NoFixedAddress

    calli
    #3388762, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:31 am

    The Italians have admitted to blaming Coronavirus for deaths it did not contribute to.

    Not quite right. The Italians are attributing Coronavirus as the COD for infected people.

    The person who dies has both coronavirus and another ailment, which may or may not have caused death. So, rather than dying of septicaemia next week from an infected hangnail, they are dying this week from coronavirus.

    Does that sum it up, or am I missing something?

    That’s my understanding also Calli.

    Shades of “The patient died but the operation was a success.”

  139. Bar Beach Swimmer

    1735099
    #3388753, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:26 am
    Trump talks about the Spanish flu, but goes off script, and gets the year wrong.
    Surely it’s parody…..

    Numbers talks about taking Vietnamese boat people to see To Kill a Mockingbird, but goes off script, and gets the year wrong.
    Surely it’s parody…..

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Social distancing and working together are not impossible concepts to align, but I doubt if Trump saw any humour in the juxtaposition. I see now that I was wrong in thinking that you were witty enough to draw a laugh from it.

    Seems you weren’t …

  141. rickw

    One of the blokes at work just resurfaced after 14 days self isolation following a cruise:

    1). Off the ship in 15 minutes.
    2). No questioning on health.
    3). No thermal screening.

    He embarked the vessel around the 18th of March.

    Border Control?

    Australia has no fucking border control thanks to the cockheads in Government. We do however have walking in park control and beach control. Fuck them.

  142. notafan

    More or less Calli

    There is a comorbity in most cases (quelle surprise)

    What we don’t know is if the person was in ICU being treated for covid19 related pneumonia or just had the sniffles.

    I suspect that the majority will turn out to be the former.

    But some people are only interested in their own fact free narratives.

    MV, Anne and Struth have that in common.

  143. calli

    While I despise the two ‘climate mongers’ who live locally, their business selling cruises is legitimate,

    Sure. As I mentioned earlier, a family member does the same.

    My objection is climate posturing and urging while having a nice little side hustle organising cruises.

  144. Farmer Gez

    Numbers is off to force his fetid sippy cup upon his local coffee shop.
    Claimed yesterday that’s the way he can get it and then posts later that he had to convince the poor bugger behind the counter that his cup was clean. Bullying 101.

  145. Some History

    Interesting… well, sort of.. creature.

    https://imgur.com/r0f1JS3

  146. Tom

    Wow. My scolling button is working overtime this morning on account of trollscum’s relevance deprivation. Such a good little libertarian pet, isn’t he, Doomlord?

  147. notafan

    Interesting to see if Sweden tightens up it’s restrictions.

    They have made a few moves in the last couple of days.

    open for business Sweden’s death rate doubles in 24 hours

  148. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mines fifteen inches long.
    Phrasing!

    Quite so. Something about scars, and this being the Cat, I immediately assumed it to be a circumcision left-over.

  149. Roger

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk insists there is “plenty” of medical equipment to get through the coronavirus crisis.

    It comes after reports private hospital chain Mater Health had ordered doctors and nurses to reuse disposable masks and store them in paper bags each night, due to COVID-19 shortages.

    “We have plenty of stockpile in the public sector. We’ll be making it available to the private sector as well. Plus we have a national stockpile. We also have manufacturers at home and abroad producing more PPE,” the Premier told Today.

    “We’re a few weeks, if not months, away from the peak, and there will be enough supplies to get through this.”

    Asked how this message is not getting through to medical workers on the frontline, she said: “My chief health officer is advising me that there’s enough, and they are being very conservative with its use.”

    I take this as confirmation that QLD Health is hoarding masks, as I suggested here a couple of days ago based on the anecdotal report of a health worker I know and placing health workers at serious risk. The order to staff to bag and reuse masks evidently applies across the state system and extends into the Catholic hospitals (although Mater has indicated it has withdrawn the reuse order – until they run out, presumably). And came to light the week after the CMO said 3 million masks had been distributed to the states. Well, where are they, (QLD Health minister) Steven Miles?

    Meanwhile that palooka Palaszczuk running the show has declared that Queenslanders are on their “last warning” re failing to observe social distancing measures.

    What are the odds the lying hypocrite cancels the state election due on 31 October?

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Numbers talks about taking Vietnamese boat people to see To Kill a Mockingbird, but goes off script, and gets the year wrong.

    Numbers, who can’t even remember the year his ballot was drawn, for Nasho’s?

  151. Social distancing and working together are not impossible concepts to align, but I doubt if Trump saw any humour in the juxtaposition.

    Unlike you, perhaps, he lacked the wit to make the connection. Deadpan…..

    Numbers is off to force his fetid sippy cup upon his local coffee shop.

    No they’re closed.
    I’ll take a run down the range in the MX5 instead.

    Live blogging –
    Pence is now singing the praises of doctors and health care workers.
    Fauci and Pence make coherent sense.
    Trump not so much – he keeps getting booted from the podium.

  152. Fat Tony

    Struth
    #3388646, posted on April 2, 2020 at 7:06 am

    +1000%

  153. Some History

    Billary Fenton is enjoying self-isolation

    https://imgur.com/sO2zEeZ

  154. stackja

    X-1 lied. WHO covered up. People died.

  155. hzhousewife

    So let me see.
    In Italy, the coronavirus can in future be seen as the “cure” for heart disease, complications of diabetes, leukaemia and other cancers, just because these latter causes of death are not recorded a few months.

    Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

  156. Narwhal Tusk

    Cunich must be a typo.
    Only the first half is correct..
    Let’s get it down to a t.

  157. twostix

    Meanwhile that palooka Palaszczuk running the show has declared that Queenslanders are on their “last warning” re failing to observe social distancing measures.

    These people are running this place like it’s a primary school.

    We’re the bad children, they’re the responsible stern adults who have to punish us.

    Very dangerous.

  158. NoFixedAddress

    What jellybean of the jungle didn’t mention regarding Trump’s reference of drugs at the news briefing is this,

    Top US General Issues Brutal Warning to Drug Cartels Trying to Take Advantage of COVID-19 Crisis

    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley

    “We came upon some intelligence some time ago that the drug cartels as a result of COVID-19 were going to try to take advantage of the situation and try to infiltrate additional drugs into our country. Seven thousand Americans die on an average annual basis to drugs. That’s unacceptable. We’re at war with COVID-19. We’re at war with terrorists, and we are at war with the drug cartels as well,” Milley said.

    “This is the United States military. You will not penetrate this country. You will not get past jump street. You are not going to come in here and kill additional Americans. We will marshal whatever assets are required to prevent your entry into this country to kill Americans,” he continued.

    “The bottom line is you’re not going to get through. Now is not the time to try to penetrate the United States of illegal drugs to kill Americans. With the United States military, we will defend our country regardless of the cost,” Milley said.

    Why don’t you head to Cuba and join your mates, jellybean of the jungle?

    I’m sure you’ll find plenty of Venezuelan commo mates as well.

  159. Lizzie:

    Helping those in peril on the sea is an obligation. Refugee advocates can go hang. This has nothing to do with refugee status ,

    Yes – no problems with the obligation – it’s what comes after that is the problem. Our laws are set up for a high trust society, and the Refugees and their advocates argue from a low trust position. Both become parasitical on the Australian citizen.
    We live in the real world and must adjust our policies and behaviours to match. We can’t just say “Yes but we get benefits for when we need help from others” because it seems the occasion to get help never arises.
    Look. We cannot afford the Refugee Industry and their clientele – what started out as a universal obligation has become a haemorrhage of our national and social wealth.
    It must stop.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think the extra burden on aged people of fighting a new aggressive virus is what did most of Italy’s aged populations in. Hasta la vista no dount, but still a real and countable peril.

  161. Tom

    On cruises, I have noticed a marked downturn in behaviour of patrons in the past 2 years.

    Calli, that’s because cruising’s stellar growth in the past two years — especially Down Under — has been price-driven. It’s now possible to buy your floating hotel in the South Pacific for around $A100 a day — the same price as a basic three-star hotel on land.

    Same thing happened in the air 20 years ago when the airline business discovered the no-frills low-cost-carrier model. Travel is being democratised. If you want to spend your journey in polite company, that costs extra.

  162. calli

    The “they would’ve died anyway” observation neglects one key aspect.

    We’re all going to die anyway.

    But pity help the weak, old and sick. We aren’t quite savages yet. But give it time.

  163. lotocoti

    Given our friend’s comprehension fail of the 28th, it might be safe to assume
    he was watching Transformers: Rescue Bots, not the the God Emperor’s presser.

  164. calli

    that costs extra.

    I know, and I’m happy to pay. I’m talking about people to whom money appears to be no object. As I said, cultural.

    Just put out a tray of prawns or smoked salmon and watch the gannets swoop. Shameless, cultural greed.

  165. custard

    Lol, Trump gets asked about something from the fake news about the Biden campaign. He responded by asking whether sleepy Joe was awake or not. Hahahahahaha.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Winston, I totally agree that the refugee industry of right out of court. Strong passport control should fix that re cruise ships. Not refugees. End of story.

    I know it will require firm political handling.

    I know too that conditions on cruise ships for crew are not ideal, but the crew I have spoken to have all been super-keen on the opportunity they get for training and pay well in advance of anything they can get at home.

    Mostly, we avoid cruises that attract a yobbo element and that cut financial corners in operations to provide the cheapest deals. You get what you pay for. Cunard at good, because a lot of their senior staff are British and there is a strong tradition of civility on that line.

  167. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is not of

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh dear . Should proof read.
    Mea culpa

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Congress must pass the old, and very strongly proven, deductibility by businesses on restaurants and entertainment. This will bring restaurants, and everything related, back – and stronger than ever. Move quickly, they will all be saved!
    12:36 AM · Apr 2, 2020·

    I suggested this policy weeks ago as part of the recovery. Remove FBT on dining, domestic travel and holidays.

  170. BrettW

    Premier Qld just announced pay rise on hold. Guess she must have read the Courier Mail today.

    $1 billion savings over 2 years at least by my calculations in Steve’s Viral inflation thread.

    Multiply by 10 over all Govt workers and would have savings of 10 billion which is a start.

  171. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 9:26 am:

    “It’s very easy to search for old comments, provided you know the commenter and a couple of key words.”

    Yes Calli, good innit? 😉

  172. calli

    Yesterday, DrBeau talked about our beautiful universe.

    Today this. Run the embedded video. It will put a smile on any troubled face. 🙂

  173. notafan

    Yes Calli.

    It’s rather sickening to see the dismissal of the deaths of frail elderly in distressing circumstances as unimportant.

    It’s worth pointing out to that one of the coronavirus clusters in Melbourne is cancer patients at the Alfred.

    You could make the same argument about most if not all the deaths in Australia.

    The younger and fitter who get seriously ill survive, but they still require ICU treatment.

  174. twostix

    Much has been made about government overreach and police idiocy in “cracking” down on people sitting on a park bench at the park.

    Few have commented on the extraordinarily dangerous language that has crept into government’s thinking – and is now official policy: the idea of “essential” and “non essential” people.

    This language in the coming decades will be used around the world for all sorts of mayhem.

  175. “they would’ve died anyway” observation

    WW1, 2, Stalin’s various genocides, bubonic, pneumonic and demonic plagues …
    No problem, woulda died anyway!

    The observation is nonsensical.

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    Today this. Run the embedded video. It will put a smile on any troubled face. 🙂

    All for the love of a lady.

  177. Sean

    The tobacco and alcohol excise is going to sky rocket once this is over.

    If you could stockpile booze and smokes you could make an absolute killing on the BM.

  178. stackja

    2 April 1852 – A gang in two rowboats steals 226kg of gold from the barge Nelson off Melbourne. The gold is never recovered.

  179. stackja

    Sean
    #3388823, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:19 am

    Barter TP for tobacco and alcohol?

  180. Boambee John

    I’ll take a run down the range in the MX5 instead.

    Good idea, can’t have the manopause machine not being displayed to the proles.

  181. stackja

    2 April 1931 – The passenger and cargo steamer Malabar, bound for Singapore, runs ashore and sinks off Long Bay. All aboard are saved but the spectacle gives the suburb Malabar its name.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    It’s rather sickening to see the dismissal of the deaths of frail elderly in distressing circumstances as unimportant.

    It’s worth pointing out to that one of the coronavirus clusters in Melbourne is cancer patients at the Alfred.

    When pointing out the pre-existing condition of those who died, it is not to be dismissive of their deaths, merely to say that this may not be as lethal to those who are younger and without any other medical condition.
    Therefore, maybe isolate the vulnerable and relax the rules for the rest.

  183. jupes

    Today this. Run the embedded video. It will put a smile on any troubled face. 🙂

    Lol gold Calli. Thanks for that.

  184. Roger

    These people are running this place like it’s a primary school.

    We’re the bad children, they’re the responsible stern adults who have to punish us.

    Very dangerous.

    Indeed.

  185. The new retail,
    hey meesta, I have cheap booze, cigs, toilet paper, antiseptic and pictures of your wife in the nude.
    wanna buy some?

  186. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez
    #3388713, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:47 am

    A good opening rain for us and a great follow up for others in the farming game.
    Falls of 10-20mm+ have been recorded over much of the Southern farming belt of Victoria and NSW. It’s good news as the last thing we need in this crisis is a drought.

    +1
    16 overnight here with more to come, all on top of a near full profile.

    As I said the other day, praise the Lord and pass the glyphosate!

  187. Boambee John

    Tom

    It’s now possible to buy your floating hotel in the South Pacific for around $A100 a day — the same price as a basic three-star hotel on land.

    With meals, entertainment and visits to foreign places thrown in, which you would not get in the basic hotel.

  188. Leigh Lowe

    Same thing happened in the air 20 years ago when the airline business discovered the no-frills low-cost-carrier model. Travel is being democratised. If you want to spend your journey in polite company, that costs extra.

    Travel in polite company?
    Not possible I am afraid.
    Mrs L insists on tagging along every time.

  189. stackja

    Jack Webb
    From Wikipedia

    John Randolph Webb (April 2, 1920 – December 23, 1982) was an American actor, television producer, director, and screenwriter, who is most famous for his role as Sgt. Joe Friday in the Dragnet franchise (which he created). He was the founder of his own production company, Mark VII Limited.

  190. Dr Faustus

    Meanwhile that palooka Palaszczuk running the show has declared that Queenslanders are on their “last warning” re failing to observe social distancing measures.

    What are the odds the lying hypocrite cancels the state election due on 31 October?

    Extraordinary time, extraordinary measures; canna risk a repeat of the Council Elections.
    Otherwise, the ALP has about 2 months to get Jackie Trad out of South Brisbane and parachuted into a safe seat somewhere.

    We’re all in this together.

  191. “All the leaves are brown …”

    “Bears shit in the woods”

    A correlation?

  192. Old School Conservative

    Just the facts, stackja.

  193. Ed Case

    What are the odds the lying hypocrite cancels the state election due on 31 October?

    Won’t matter. Looking at the Council results, the LNP have collapsed in the bush, in Brisbane Greens and Animal Justice are surging, 20% of their prefs are going to the LNP.
    https://www.ecq.qld.gov.au

  194. min

    I am now wondering about all the stuff ups in border control. What sort of idiots are employed to follow the instructions put in place ? Ruby Princess apparently came in hours earlier who let her in and she had been sitting outside where a pilot was needed. All very suss so I hope we don’t have underminers in border control doing something like the wharfies during the war

  195. cohenite

    FFS, some one praises the troll:

    Numbers, you comment there re ‘social distancing and ‘working together’ showed some wit and made me laugh. First time ever from you.

    Troll

    Trump said that – not me.

    Never praise or encourage the troll; except to FOAD.

  196. stackja

    2 April 1979 – Truck drivers angry at state government policies block the Hume Highway at the Razorback Range and paralyse the state’s transport.

    Nifty Nev unhappy.

  197. Farmer Gez

    I wonder how Bolt will handle ABC Pell story?

    Little about the ‘sensational’ allegations is new and have been withdrawn or dismissed by the police and DPP in favour of the case currently in question.

    We have a face and a name which is new.

  198. stackja

    min
    #3388851, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:33 am

    Sydney Ports?

  199. Roger

    Would be timely for the Courier Mail to re-run a cartoon published back in the days of Joh.

    A police car driving down Queen Street ( pre-mall) with a loud speaker atop it proclaiming to the citizenry:

    “You all all guilty until proven innocent.”

  200. stackja

    Farmer Gez
    #3388855, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:33 am

    More ABC fiction.

  201. Fat Tony

    All this discussion of people already dying from pre-existing conditions then catching Kung Flu which is given the blame on the death cert.

    30 + years ago, my mother (63 at the time) died from liver cancer – at least that’s what is on the death certificate. From the waist up, she looked like one of those starved concentration camp survivors, from the waist down, her legs were swollen from fluid build-up (which was leaking through her skin) – her legs were gangrenous and required amputation if she was to survive another week – at the most.

    What she actually died from was the increased morphine (?) dose she got that night. But that was not what was written on the death certificate.

    So, armchair experts, what should really have been on that death certificate?
    Liver cancer or morphine o-d?

  202. Dr Faustus

    The ABC doing what it does best.

    Two new accusers say George Pell abused them when they were boys in the 1970s
    [Graphic. Not everyone will want to read this article.]

    This is the first time Bernie has told his story publicly, but in March 2016, Victoria Police contacted Bernie as part of a wide-ranging investigation of historical sexual abuse allegations against Pell. [As was the other ‘new’accuser.]

    Additional allegations, including Bernie’s, were either withdrawn, dismissed or dropped when a planned second trial of George Pell was abandoned by the Victorian DPP.

    During the 2018 committal proceedings at Melbourne Magistrates’ Court, Pell’s defence team argued that Pell had only been to Nazareth House once, in 1980 when the home was closing. The current regional superior of the Sisters of Nazareth, Sister Margaret O’Keefe told the ABC that Father Pell had never been to the home.

    So, unless Sister Margaret is mistaken, or lying, the New Accusers must be. The police obviously thought so in 2016, when they were scraping their case together.
    Right?

  203. Boambee John

    Farmer Gez
    #3388855, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:33 am
    I wonder how Bolt will handle ABC Pell story?

    What did the Ferguson show produce last night?

  204. Farmer Gez

    I haven’t got time to run through it.
    Just type in Pell and you’ll get the whole story.

  205. Bar Beach Swimmer

    those cruise ships sheltering in Australian waters. We can do something to help, and morally should do so.

    Lizzie, they’re not sheltering, like in a storm. They’re attempting to do what the Tampa tried to do, which another poster pointed out further up the thread. Unless there are really sick people on board who need to be in intensive care, we are not required to assist. And nor should we, apart from provisioning the ship, but that’s all.

    The hatred towards and denigration of people who have enjoyed cruises is fairly extreme here at the moment

    I don’t see hatred of this cohort here. I see reasonable people pointing out the true situation: we are being forcibly locked down; we can not visit anyone; we are being moved on from doing the most everyday things. People have lost their jobs and businesses have been forcibly closed because of this. Whether the govt is right or wrong, no-one knows as yet. But the one thing we do know is that it is costly, extremely costly, for everyone. While we’re in uncharted waters, so to speak, those cruise ships are not. They know where their home ports are and they should go.

    They cop though the usual tall poppy syndrome at play

    This is not a tall poppy syndrome. The average Australian is sick and tired of a particular group of people having one rule for them and another for everyone else. Mostly it’s because they flaunt their supposed moral superiority over the plebs. These are the very people with education, abilities and experience and who are the ones that make the policies and regulations for everyone else.

    their business selling cruises is legitimate, and as I have pointed out earlier, the passengers from the cruise conference they organised actually flew in BEFORE the cut off date for permitting home isolation

    This does not get them off the hook. The China Pestilence has been on the radar for weeks; at least since the end of February. I had a couple of conversations with friends, who despite the situation at hand were still going overseas. These are much older people than me, people whose age group and health would make them the right demographic for getting complications from the disease, but they wouldn’t change their plans.

    These passengers, who happened to be medical workers (and thus subject here and elsewhere to a disgraceful ‘tall poppy’ ire), were caught in a nightmare of bureaucratic misunderstandings about the timing of the edict and have every right to feel distressed by that

    No, they were hoisted on their own petard, despite the bureaucratic antics. They have no more right to feel distressed than everyone else in Australia. While they’ve been momentarily stymied most everyone else have years of rebuilding ahead of them.

  206. Lizzie:

    I don’t expect all here to agree with me that we should show human compassion. But I think we should. Basic compassion, but still a helping hand offered to the extent that we realistically can.
    Again, nothing to do with refugees or the legal status of these people who have passports and are clearly mere visitors.

    You just don’t get it, do you?
    Because we refuse to stand up to the Refugee Lobby, we end up putting the genuine and the scammers through the wringer. The refugees get stuck in Limbo while the real parasites make a bloody career out of white anting the Treasury. Then the more refugees that get in under dodgy circumstances, the more come.
    And we can’t get rid of the scumbags that have obviously lied when they got here, our gaols are filling up with people we do not want and these same gaols are becoming clusters of corruption that are metastasising into our society.
    Now I know I’m on dangerous ground here, but it has to be said – virtue signalling – such as what you are doing, may make you feel good, but it’s time to pick your side. You cannot straddle this fence for much longer without your position becoming untenable.

  207. Roger

    What she actually died from was the increased morphine (?) dose she got that night.

    Tony, when morphine is applied in the palliative care setting it is done so according to a strict regime of incrementally increased doses with the goal of providing relief from pain. Under such a regime morphine does not depress the respiratory system, which is how it kills in the case of overdoses.

  208. Boambee John

    So, unless Sister Margaret is mistaken, or lying, the New Accusers must be. The police obviously thought so in 2016, when they were scraping their case together.

    Given that they were interviewed in 2016, and the DPP considered their cases, only an expert in Newspeak could describe them as “new accusers”.

  209. Snoopy

    BrettW
    #3388814, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:12 am
    Premier Qld just announced pay rise on hold. Guess she must have read the Courier Mail today.

    QPSU members! Don’t stand for this. Indefinite strike now!

  210. Roger

    What did the Ferguson show produce last night?

    Unsubstaniated allegations for which Pell has an alibi; i.e. he was never at the orphanage until the day of its closure, which has been corroborated by witnesses who worked there, which is why the allegations were originally rejected by authorities.

    I understand that the Cardinal is reluctant to sue certain media outlets, regarding it as his Christian duty to bear the cross that their Christophobia viciously imposes on him, but I would argue that when and if the High Court orders his release he has a public duty – on behalf of us all – to pursue justice against the ABC in particular.

  211. Lizzie:

    Even in wartime we gave succor to the injured enemy. Current cruise ship issues do present an ethical and moral problem, which does require some thought and discussion.

    We aided the enemy when he surrendered. A wounded enemy combatant has not necessarily surrendered because he is wounded.
    And if I remember correctly, the Triage priority list went something like this (At the Field Hospital level.)
    1. Australian severely wounded.
    2. Allied severely wounded.
    3. Enemy severely wounded.
    4. Australian moderately wounded… etc.
    We look after our own first.
    And this facet of the discussion is a red herring – we are not at war with the cruise liners.

  212. Top Ender

    Australians need to know when this lockdown will end

    The Prime Minister and premiers have told us the coronavirus restrictions that have put businesses in “hibernation” and people into isolation will last six months. They can’t be serious. This is why Scott Morrison must tell us his exit strategy now, writes Andrew Bolt.

    There is no way we can go on like this for six months. So today is when the Prime Minister must tell us his exit strategy.

    Just when will Australians be allowed to leave their homes? When can we ask a friend over for dinner without risking jail?

    When will police stop chasing people out of parks and off beaches? When can we play sport, go to church or reopen the thousands of businesses that have been shut?

    Scott Morrison and the premiers talk of these restrictions lasting six months until this coronavirus crisis ends, but they can’t be serious.

    How do they measure that end? When not one more person dies? What if people are still dying in September?

    We don’t know. But until then, the Prime Minister says businesses can go into “hibernation” — helped by the $130 billion he’s giving to subsidise wages — and then “bounce back”.

    Why do so many journalists repeat this fantasy? Businesses do not “hibernate” when they have no customers for six months. They die.

    There will be no “bouncing back”. The economy will be shattered, unemployment will be massive and the government will be buried in debt.

    And what of the people the government has just sentenced to six months of home detention?

    In homes across Australia there are already 100,000 people who’ve just lost their jobs.

    They’ve been humiliated. They are running out of money for their families and losing their savings.

    They’ll be stuck in their apartments or houses, unable to leave except for essentials, and in most states banned from inviting anyone home.

    The frustration, misery and isolation will make many such homes pressure cookers, despite Morrison’s bubbly advice to seize the chance to do more jigsaws with the kids, many of whom can’t go back to school.

    That’s why the phone lines to some domestic violence units are already ringing off the hook. That’s why Victoria’s government has just banned gun sales.

    Then there’s the loneliness.

    I had an email on Wednesday from a Victorian widow who has no job and lives alone.

    She writes, “I rely on my partner’s relatives and close friends for social interactions. However I am losing hope and feel I am being punished, put in a solitary confinement.

    “I feel I am completely isolated, forgotten and cannot reach out to my family and friends.”

    The national response to the coronavirus is itself a humanitarian disaster. We’re stopping thousands of people from getting infected by putting millions of Australians under an extreme pressure that will break many.

    I backed the early bans. In fact, I said we banned flights from infected countries too late. Our airport checks on people flying in or disembarking from ships were too slack. We still don’t do enough to make sure infected people stay in their home quarantine.

    True, Australia has nevertheless done extremely well to slow the spread of the virus and limit the deaths. Predictions of “150,000” dead already look hysterical.

    Our toll was just 20 as of early on Wednesday. But this low figure and the pattern of those deaths suggest there may be now a way to keep people safe that doesn’t come at this horrendous social cost.

    The latest dead was a 95-year-old woman. She was the fifth to die at Sydney’s Dorothy Henderson Lodge, the youngest 75.

    Of the other 15 dead, eight caught the virus on a cruise ship. The youngest was 73.

    The remaining seven were aged between 68 and 86. The youngest had “serious underlying health issues” and at least two were in hospital with cancer.

    Yes, the young can also die from this virus, but in Italy the median age of the dead is around 80.

    So doesn’t it make more sense to focus intensely on monitoring people who leave ships and planes and doing more to keep safe the elderly and frail, particularly those in old-age homes? To step up quarantine controls, but relax the home detention of everyone else?

    Another way is possible, and Morrison must explain it before people crack and businesses close, thinking six months of pain will be too much.

    That other way is what we see in Taiwan, which is militant in quarantining the potentially infectious and protecting the vulnerable, yet lets citizen go out, shop and even eat at restaurants.

    It’s had just three deaths, and its economy still works. People aren’t going mad from loneliness and despair — as they will here, if these restrictions last six months.

  213. The hatred towards and denigration of people who have enjoyed cruises is fairly extreme here at the moment

    Whilst that would be fair, it requires a “numbers like” paranoia to believe that.
    Take a nap.

  214. Top Ender

    WITCH-BURNING CURE WILL BE DEADLIER THAN THE VIRUS
    RJ SMITH

    We should focus on protecting those truly at risk, without a rush to economic suicide

    We are in the midst of the strangest event of our lives. Societies have shut down. Families and whole nations face financial ruin. Walking the streets is now a crime from Paris to Sydney to Mumbai. And all of this has occurred not despite the will of the people but because of it.

    The reasons are well known. There is a virus on the loose. It is transmitted by humans and is killing tens of thousands. It is an existential threat at which all resources must be thrown and all energy expended.

    This is the popular mantra. And if true it would justify the incredible events we are witnessing. The problem is that it appears not to be true, a fact few are willing to entertain amid the hysteria that prevails. Yet its falsity is suggested on a cursory review of the best available data.

    That data is provided by Italy, an early epicentre of the virus with many deaths.

    On March 26, the country’s peak health organisation — the National Institute of Health — published a report with details of the 6801 deaths the country had recorded to that point. This is a considerable sample size, and the figures are revealing.

    The first statistics of note are those about the average age of casualties, which is 78. The median is

    79. A little more than 95 per cent of victims were over 60, and zero deaths were recorded for people under the age of 30.

    Then there is the method of designating the virus as the cause of death, which includes anyone who had tested positive for it before dying. In other words, many were said to have died from the virus when in truth they merely died with it.

    Third, 98 per cent of casualties of a random sample of patients had a pre-existing chronic illness, or comorbidity, at their time of death. About 21 per cent suffered from a single comorbidity, 26 per cent from two, 51 per cent from three and just 2 per cent with none.

    Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s Health Minister, recently reported: “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus.”

    The overwhelming majority of Italy’s deaths involved chronically ill and elderly patients.

    This is not to diminish these tragedies. But the questions arise: why are we surrendering our hard-won civil liberties and committing economic suicide when this virus poses a danger to only a small portion of our society? Why do we not pour all of our resources into protecting the vulnerable?

    The answer is that a 24-hour news cycle, with its morbid tallying of deaths, images of corpses and sensationalist reporting of outlier cases has whipped the public into a frenzy that politicians have had to take extreme measures to appease.

    And anyone who questions the collective unreason is denounced on social media as a bloodthirsty mercenary who favours the economy over human life.

    History shows time and again the reaction to a perceived crisis becomes the true catastrophe. Like the execution of witches until the mid-18th century or the scapegoating of Jews for poisoning wells during the Black Plague, evidence and logic are of no use to us now. There is an existential threat, and anyone who denies it is not just a denier but the cause.

    None of this is to say this virus is not dangerous. It is. But the level of threat it poses is being exaggerated, and the response to it exaggerated as a result.

    This is especially true in Australia, where infection rates appear to be relatively low and the government containment methods are among the most draconian worldwide.

    If the government has compelling data to support this strategy, it should release it. But there seems to be no correlation between the scale of the threat and the economic and social damage we will suffer responding to it.

    There is a disaster afoot. But it is not the COVID-19 virus. It is the putative remedy, a fact we will not appreciate until it’s too late.

    RJ Smith teaches law at Paris universities I (Pantheon-Sorbonne) and X (Nanterre).

    Print edition of the Oz

  215. calli

    All this discussion of people already dying from pre-existing conditions then catching Kung Flu which is given the blame on the death cert.

    Just a small point. They are being treated for a pre-existing condition.

    We are all dying, from one thing or another. Unless we decide to top ourselves or someone hastens the event.

  216. Hay Stockard

    Little bit of facechooking I have to share.
    Woke up this morning with the missus holding a pillow over my face.
    She said she was protecting me from the bat flu.
    How sweet.

  217. dover_beach

    Unsubstaniated allegations for which Pell has an alibi; i.e. he was never at the orphanage until the day of its closure, which has been corroborated by witnesses who worked there, which is why the allegations were originally rejected by authorities.

    I understand that the Cardinal is reluctant to sue certain media outlets, regarding it as his Christian duty to bear the cross that their Christophobia viciously imposes on him, but I would argue that when and if the High Court orders his release he has a public duty – on behalf of us all – to pursue justice against the ABC in particular.

    Indeed. This has gone way beyond ‘poisoning the wells’. I haven’t watched the series but if they fail to mention that this person’s claim where investigated by police, could not be corroborated, contradicted even, and the charges withdrawn or dismissed, he ought to sue them for malicious libel for our sakes.

  218. John Comnenus

    I think Bolt is about right. What SCOMO needs to tell us is not when this ends but what conditions need to be established to either increase or decrease measures. He should be reporting on this daily in a short brief so everyone knows what we are aiming for and where we are heading. At the moment SCOMO and the Premiers are breeding fear, panic and depression. The bear knows when hibernation ends because it gets warm. We should know when our hibernation ends.

    If we are flattening the curve it is pretty simple. What is the threshold we need to remain below (and is that threshold increasing – Dept of Health says it can double over approx 1 month). How many people are in ICU ie where are we at the moment, and where are we heading? Finally what are the next trigger points activated when we get there.

    A simple report would say:

    Total capacity: 2500 ICU beds
    New capacity last 7 days: 50 ICU beds
    Expected new capacity next 7 days: 50 ICU beds
    Current spare capacity: 75 ICU beds
    Current COVID usage: 60 ICU beds
    Trend expectation in 1 week: 75 ICU beds
    COVID trend demand on capacity: expected demand compared to expected capacity as a 7 day rolling average to get an understanding of how close we are to being overwhelmed. If that trend line is going down at what point to things relax, if it is going up at what point do restrictions get tougher.

  219. Infidel Tiger

    You seem to be under the impression that our politicians want this over.

    This is the greatest time of their lives.

    They are going to drag this on for years.

  220. John Comnenus

    Unfortunately i think you are right Infidel.

  221. Tel

    The “they would’ve died anyway” observation neglects one key aspect.

    We’re all going to die anyway.

    The correct way to calculate it is effective years of life lost. Obviously that depends on an estimate of how long they would live with the virus vs without the virus, but at least for large groups those estimates are quite accurate because of collected mortality data. For an individual the randomness means you don’t know how long they would have lived but the estimate still makes a reasonable cost evaluation.

  222. Helen

    I demand another forum. These forums are not mutating fast enough!

    OK cannonball run to town. One checkpoint manned by a girl in morning, who was waving trucks through with out checking them, but wanted my Dl, my pass for essential person on letterhead, and wanted to know where and how far away the property was.

    Coming back, boy checked me, didn’t want my DL, just the letter saying I was essential was sufficient. The other boy was snoring gently ion the warm afternoon shade.

    Picked up my Woolies order (limited to 2 of pretty much anything) some things are ones but they dont have them anyhow, then went around the front door and got 2 more of whatever I needed, like bags of spuds. Noticed the TP shelves completely empty, no tissues, no paper towel. No Glen 20 or anything like that that you could disinfect a surface with. Didn’t need any as I had managed to score 20 L of sanitiser/disinfectant from my wholesaler that day, and got 2 ctns of TP the week before.

    Got some more bread from Brumbies, then headed to the bottlo, where only 10 were allowed in at a time. One out, one in. The girl Police person wanted to know where the station was, how far away what road was I going directly there. I am used to the bottlo DL thing as we have had this for many years now, trying to control the problem drinkers. The aboriginal man ahead of me was even more closely questioned.

    I was a bit jittery there wouldn’t be much in there. When I was picking up my bush-order I noticed the cage where they have all the spare grog supplies was practically bare, but there seemed to be the usual on the shelves in the shop itself. We are limited to 12 of wine of all varieties, 4 of spirits I think 1 of fortified and 1 slab of beer per visit. So I got a dozen reds and 4L of Jamesons, because the 750 ml bottles were sold out.

    Returned back through the checkpoint again and home. Madness.

    All our staff are here now, the last arrived last night. As of midnight last night every single person coming into the NT needs a permit from the Chief Medical Officer.

    My son in law and also my son are desperately trying to save their businesses, one will have to let staff go.

    It is a total root. People who dont live in the real world making decisions that they have no idea how the real private world will react to and are thoroughly surprised when the market (business) reacts the way it does. I find the disconnect utterly astounding.

  223. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 10:08 am:

    ” that costs extra.

    I know, and I’m happy to pay. I’m talking about people to whom money appears to be no object. As I said, cultural.

    Just put out a tray of prawns or smoked salmon and watch the gannets swoop. Shameless, cultural greed.”

    Twenty years ago a mate decided we should not take our children to dine at Sizzlers because smorgasboard food is vulnerable and loaded with whatever the last hygiene free customer left behind. I thought about it for a bit and stayed well clear. Any time I have since observed the practice I see someone cough or dig their fingers in to taste and lick them clean before tasting something else. Where have those fingers been?

    Reconnaissance of the nearest public toilets offers an insight into the cleanliness or crudeness of the customers. In SE Asia the best habit is to use only the four or five star hotel facilities – most of the locals are worse than eastern European gypsies and San Franciscan street hordes, and have great difficulty taking aim at the cubicle, let alone the porcelain bowl (or hole in the ground) inside.

  224. Helen

    It occurred to me if we are going to split death out into died with vs died of, that the same must be applied to normal flu – died with vs died of. We cannot do for one which we dont do for the other.

  225. Helen

    They are going to drag this on for years.

    Yep, they wont let that bone they are chewing go in a hurry.

  226. Helen

    We should know when our hibernation ends.

    Dead right John. We are told – not asked for trust and there is no attempt to show us the plan and ask us to go on that journey. If we could see the plan we might agree.

    I worry they dont actually have a plan.

  227. Lizzie:

    Christmas Island would be a fine solution if there was time and space, Vlad. No-one is talking luxury here. Fly them there perhaps?

    Ideal.
    Extend the runway to allow any commercial carrier coming to Australia.
    Rebuild the port to accept Cruise liner size ships.
    Base a Battalion sized force for defence. Add recon element of PC3s.
    Bugger it.
    – Put the dodgy reffos to work building caves for stores.
    – make the island admission by invitation only.
    – Build our experimental fusion power plant there.

  228. John Comnenus

    The song above is my hymn to SCOMO

  229. Howard Hill:

    How about we just forget this virus exists and let everyone go back to work. For the sake of the hysterical. We’ll torpedo any plague ships entering our waters, anti aircraft, gun down any plague planes flown by gay leprechauns, round up any leftists and send them to Chunkland to have bat soup with KimJongFlungShit and hang all the bastards that tried to destroy our Aussie way of life?
    Sounds like a plan no?

    Not bad, but what happened to Heard Island and our new fusion reactors?
    And nuclear tipped SLBMs?
    Not negotiable, buddy.

  230. MV:

    This time?
    Had my gall bladder removed fifteen years ago. Then the other week I tried to move something heavy and the scar tissue split and my intestines decided to try and escape through the gap in my peritoneum.
    But if you want to compare scars I’m game. I’ve been beaten up, blown up, stabbed and shot.

    You’ve been warned about those dodgy parties but you insist on going, don’t you?

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