Concerns Grow

 
Last seen at a Sydney leadership forum. Answers to ‘Paul.’ Paul likes newspaper clippings, Mahler and China.

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38 Responses to Concerns Grow

  1. Rafe Champion

    That a state dragging 20% of humanity from poverty has ulterior motives and has to be strategically monitored. With no premium being placed on the human condition – 700 million people lifted from abject poverty. An event without precedent in world history.

    Lifted out of poverty by small moves towards capitalist/free market/private property principles. Tells us nothing about the motives of the leadership (survival as much as anything) and nothing about the tens of millions killed by the same leadership in the name of socialism and the elimination of exploitation by the bourgeoisie.

  2. Rafe Champion

    When Mao died the country was going down the drain, education at all levels had stopped, industry was not producing, the rural population was living at subsistence level. Deng realised that economic incentives had to be revived, hence the minor land reforms, other market reforms and the open door. Those modest reforms unleashed the power of the market and private incentives. Interestingly a lot of the private incentives resulted in outright crime and the corruption of crony capitalism that has achieved epic proportions. But still 20% of humanity rose from poverty, not lifted by a benign government but uplifted by their own efforts given a tiny bit of room to move.

  3. nb

    ‘not lifted by a benign government’
    Indeed. And still held ransom to a benighted one.

  4. Hay Stockard

    Is he really missing or is this just another cruel joke?

  5. jupes

    Hawke, Keating, Robb, Liu, Dastyari, Fitzgibbon.

    That’s who we know about, however they are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg.

  6. Nob

    Rafe Champion
    #3390049, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:57 pm
    But still 20% of humanity rose from poverty, not lifted by a benign government but uplifted by their own efforts given a tiny bit of room to move.

    Taiwan , same history up until Communism, did a lot better in the same period , and without murdering millions.

  7. NoFixedAddress

    It always amazes me what someone will sell their Soul for!

  8. jupes

    Hawke, Keating, Robb, Liu, Dastyari, Fitzgibbon.

    Oh and how could I forget the Clinton supporter and Huawei shill, Alexander Downer.

  9. miltonf

    Who’s the ex Lieboral polliemuppet involved in the Dawin port?

  10. Bad Samaritan

    Rafe (9.42pm) The switch from Communism to Fascism is what we’ve seen; from owning the means to controlling the means. The mistake was to see it as a switch from communism to capitalism instead. Another term for it might be “crony capitalism” maybe?

    Have a look at Adolf and Benito. The economies went gangbusters and all those new Autostrada and Autobahnen accompanied by trains running on time, should be seen as the template for modern fascist China. Capitalists working hand in glove with their socialist rulers for theh national good; not for the good of the “workers of the world’. d’oh! And

    Adolf was big on chemical + biological warfare development for eventual deployment too!

  11. Exit Stage Right

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    Hawke, Keating, Robb, Liu, Dastyari, Fitzgibbon.

    You can add Bob Carr and Julia Gillard to that list.

  12. Mother Lode

    Could never really get that much into Mahler – certainly not enough to understand Keating’s unwavering adulation.

    With that, and his clocks, and ostentatious sartorial narration, he always struck me as someone who wanted to prove he had risen above his origins. A pretentious parvenu. Conspicuously adopting what he sees as the manners and trappings of wealth without the spirit or taste that animates these things in the people he seeks to emulate.

    He might even think the bile he spits at people is the equivalent of wit.

    I would expect he is combative and loud to constantly prove to everyone (even himself) what a gigantic figure he is. The need for sustained reaffirmation speaks to a persistent and elusive insecurity.

    He must keep on the attack, partly to warn others not to risk his wrath, but I think also because there is no secure inner self – no sanctuary, no tiny fortress behind which walls he would be safe and unassailable to that he knows is always there. He always feels exposed, his position precarious, and attack is his only defence.

    He has won fame and wealth, but never dignity.

  13. Hay Stockard

    Mother Lode,
    He is a bit snarky. If ones didn’t know better he could be mistaken for an old queen.

  14. notafan

    How many would have been lifted if China were a democracy?

  15. Brilliant writing Mother Lode. Keating comes across as a thoroughly unpleasant man. In assessing his time in the Cabinet, should be accorded great credit for his sponsoring economic reforms that underpinned our prosperity for many years? (Of course those reforms have been undercut, but he is not responsible.)

  16. Andre Lewis

    Keating opined that Australia could become the white trash of Asia. He could not have known that this current government is heading toward achieving that. We are surrounded by countries using the virus panic in the West to ramp up their trade while we destroy our economy.

  17. Shy Ted

    Rafiki #3390447, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:58 am
    In assessing his time in the Cabinet, should be accorded great credit for his sponsoring economic reforms that underpinned our prosperity for many years?

    The reforms were proposed by then Treasurer John Howard and taken on board when Hawke was elected. Let’s hope his daughter is up to her neck in the Epstein scandal to give the xunt some grief, the type of grief we suffered under his 18% interest rates.

  18. Des Deskperson

    ‘Could never really get that much into Mahler – certainly not enough to understand Keating’s unwavering adulation.’

    As Treasurer, Keating was despised by the left as a neo-liberal, uptight, Catholic suit.

    He redeemed himself as PM in their eyes via Redfern, the ‘Republic’ and his much-vaunted love of the arts , albeit his tastes there and the people he patronised always seemed safe and middle brow.

    ‘Keating comes across as a thoroughly unpleasant man.’

    I may have posted this story before, but it’s worth repeating. Keating’s PM&C Secretary Mike Keating – no relation and very different social origins , Mike was patrician and Anglican, Paul was faux-working class and Catholic – had a holiday house in an exclusive NSW South Coast enclave. He and Paul and sometimes their families used to spend weekends there, maybe they were mates or maybe just plotting or maybe some combination of the two.

    Despite the enclave having a beautiful beach, Paul – reputedly – wouldn’t let his wife Anita walk, play or swim on it because someone might strike up a conversation with her and discover that she was a ditz.

    I have no idea whether this is story true or whether it is fair to Mrs Keating. It sounds not implausible.

  19. Mother Lode

    The reforms were proposed by then Treasurer John Howard and taken on board when Hawke was elected.

    Ah, yes. The Campbell Report.

    I had thought better of Keating prior to finding out about that, which I did almost by accident since it was never reported anywhere. It was also the reason the reforms sailed through Parliament.

  20. bollux

    Hawke and Keating laid the foundation for the destruction, via John Button, of our car and manufacturing industries. Remember we were going to be the smartest people in Asia with our intellectual jobs. Free money for all is somewhat separated from that.

  21. John NOBEL

    Recession we had to have K?

  22. Cynic of Ayr

    Jupes, well, we know where Hawke is.
    For all the good they are, the rest on your motley list could be in the same place.

  23. Andre Lewis
    #3390455, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:11 am
    Keating opined that Australia could become the white trash of Asia.

    Not so. It was the then Prime Minister of Singapore, Lee Kwan Yew, who prophesied that outcome.

  24. Viva

    Hawke, Keating, Robb, Liu, Dastyari, Fitzgibbon……

    Add Nick Xenophon as another Huawei spokesman

  25. Gyro Cadiz

    Paul likes Paul, the Chinese Communist Party, Paul, strapping clock polishers with buns of steel, Paul, Chinese Communist Party money, Paul, newspaper clippings about Paul, Paul, expensive gifts from the Chinese Communist Party, Paul, Mahler, Paul, the Chinese Communist Party, Paul and Paul.

    Fixed it…….

  26. Crossie

    miltonf
    #3390298, posted on April 3, 2020 at 4:49 am
    Who’s the ex Lieboral polliemuppet involved in the Dawin port?

    Turnbull was the PM at the time so his is the ultimate responsibility though I am not letting the Cabinet off the hook.

  27. Crossie

    Andre Lewis
    #3390455, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:11 am
    Keating opined that Australia could become the white trash of Asia.

    Not so. It was the then Prime Minister of Singapore, Lee Kwan Yew, who prophesied that outcome.

    Keating proclaimed us a banana republic.

  28. Rent Boy Paul. Multiplex fed him $250,000 a year back in the ’90s (!) to get access to ET. Zilch. Missing. Even Nice Mr Roberts had to let him go.

  29. Des Deskperson

    Speaking of adulation, does anyone remember ‘Keating: the Musical’? Hopefully sunk without trace by now, but it had a very considerable vogue back in 2007.

    Billed as a satire, it was in fact a panegyric – does anyone know what satire means these days – with a lithe and handsome Keating strutting the stage taking bows for Redfern, the republic and Mabo while Howard shambled about after him like a spastic dwarf.

    There was no mention, naturally, of Keating sucking up to kleptocratic mass murderer Suharto.

    Of course, it want down extremely well here in Canberra. .

    The authors, much later and presumably embarrassed by their former toadying, tried to claim that it was actually a satire on Keating-worship, unconvincing to anyone who had read the actual programme for the show, which was chockers with Keating-worship.

  30. Mother Lode

    Speaking of adulation, does anyone remember ‘Keating: the Musical’? Hopefully sunk without trace by now, but it had a very considerable vogue back in 2007.

    Erk! I saw it. I believe Keating turned up frequently clapping his hands like an excited seal. When he left at the end of the show (probably 2 hours later, having waited in the dark hoping there would be more) I have no doubt his seat was sticky.

    And it was exactly as Des says.

    Oh, and the clincher? The show had Keating coming from behind and winning the 1996 election.

  31. Robbo

    Hay Stockard
    #3390420, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:39 am
    Mother Lode,
    He is a bit snarky. If ones didn’t know better he could be mistaken for an old queen.

    I think he is an old queen, and a nasty vicious know all one at that.

  32. I remember PK’s advice “To always back Self Interest, as it Won every time”! PK has followed that religiously each & every day of his miserable life – as they say just follow the money. The commonality all Leaders of the Left, labor socialist or Democrats share in recent times is none of them ever having made a cent prior to entering Politics but somehow they magically become Millionaires on their retirement from Parliament, & also choosing to retire/live as far away as they could possibly get from their previous loyal voters & grassroots supporters. Shameless with no concept of their own lack of basic self-awareness and let’s not forget PK’s departing legacy to the Australian Nation – a Debt of $96B. – The Chinese can have him as far as I am concerned

  33. John A

    Mother Lode #3390491, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:46 am

    The reforms were proposed by then Treasurer John Howard and taken on board when Hawke was elected.

    Ah, yes. The Campbell Report.

    I had thought better of Keating prior to finding out about that, which I did almost by accident since it was never reported anywhere. It was also the reason the reforms sailed through Parliament.

    More to the point see John Hyde “Dry” for the concerted effort to persuade both parties of the importance of economic rationalism as compared to economic mayhem err… IRrationalism aka Keynesianism and mercantilism.

  34. The BigBlueCat

    I must admit that the way Keating dealt with Hewson was awesome … “I want to do you slowly” … Keating was certainly an aggressive parliamentary performer, and I have always hoped that a Liberal PM would stand up and be the same (Howard was the closest).

  35. win

    The 1996 election won when a very popular Indigenous person dies and caused the bi election in Dickson. Notably Keating announced the Labor candidate Lavache as a minister,( Attorney General )before the bi election was held.

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