Thursday Forum: April 2, 2020

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  1. bespoke

    And I tell you what as much as think the marks on the shop floor, restrictions etc are ludicrous and tragic at the same time. If I come across some dude harassing people and staff they won’t be able to walk out.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater, 8.17 a.m.;

    Yup.

    +1.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    I say, Struth, you seem a tad out of sorts old boy.
    Wazzup dude?

  4. NoFixedAddress

    This may have been mentioned before but the latest update

    Benson and Hedges cigarette giant British American Tobacco claims it has developed a coronavirus vaccine made from tobacco plants and can manufacture 3million a week starting in June

    British American Tobacco (BAT) said it can make up to 3million vaccines a week
    Claims it can have vaccines ready to go by June with help from UK Government
    BAT has found coronavirus antigen and is ‘growing vaccine in tobacco plants’

    BAT said it had pivoted its vast resources – the company is worth £65.5billion – to fighting the pandemic.

    The London-headquartered firm added that it would sell the tests to the Government ‘at cost’, meaning without making any profit.

    Tobacco firms are currently barred from doing deals with governments under World Health Organisation rules, but BAT said it planned to contact the WHO.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8175471/British-American-Tobacco-working-COVID-19-vaccine-using-tobacco-leaves.html

  5. Peter the old fossil

    We are not fighting a living, breathing, thinking enemy. There is no need for secrets!

    Good morning Mater.
    I agree. I’m not talking about “secret”. I intend us to be very vocal. Just not here. Try it here and we will spend half our time defending ourselves and our motivations against the likes of Knuckles, Bespoke and Notafan, who has already started this morning. We don’t need that.

    Most Cats are still afraid of catching a cold. Leave them to it.
    We can still comment here on other matters.

  6. calli

    If he wants us in this together, he needs to start acting like a leader, not a manager.

    The difference between the two is stark. Same in business.

    The “business leaders” who are most often the go-to types for government and the press aren’t leaders at all. By and large they manage their businesses, however vast, particularly when these enterprises are the recipients of public money.

    The real leaders are in the background, working hard and suddenly burst into public consciousness when they can no longer be ignored. Mostly they sail along under the radar, and that suits them just fine.

  7. Boambee John

    Peter old fossil

    Threaten enough of them, publicly enough, and we just might see some of them suddenly start to take an interest in what the voters in their electorate want – purely out of self interest.

    It worked with that bloke in the Hunter, who nearly lost to PHON over the Liars approach to coal mining.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    NoFixedAddress

    #3390408, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:28 am

    This may have been mentioned before but the latest update

    Benson and Hedges cigarette giant British American Tobacco claims it has developed a coronavirus vaccine made from tobacco plants 

    Benson and Hedges.
    When only the bats will do.

  9. will

    the veneer of freedom and liberty is only ever skin deep

    It was never really a veneer; Australians are subjects of the Crown, and State Governments have almost unfettered power to conscript or confiscate.

  10. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3390404, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:26 am
    Reports that the Welcome to Country industry is doing it tough.
    500 gum-leaf burners and 800 nappy-dancers retrenched yesterday.”

    Another silver lining.

  11. calli

    developed a coronavirus vaccine made from tobacco plants

    And if it kills too many people, it can always be sprayed on the rose bushes to control aphids.

  12. OldOzzie

    San Francisco reverses ban on plastic bags, now bars reusable totes

    San Francisco has reversed its 13-year ban on plastic bags and will now prohibit the reusable bags city leaders once championed because of the coronavirus.

    The liberal city announced the switch this week as part of its plan to curb the spread of coronavirus. Barring customers from bringing reusable bags, mugs and other household items into stores was adopted as a measure “to prevent unnecessary contact” among the public.

    San Francisco is not the only place that has reversed its reusable bag policy, but it is certainly the most surprising. The city was at the forefront of eliminating single-use plastic bags in 2007.

    At that time, San Francisco’s board of supervisors linked plastic bags to a litany of scourges, including litter, global warming, big oil and endangering sea life.

    But the coronavirus has changed all that. As of Thursday afternoon, California was one of the states most ravaged by the virus reporting 10,000 cases and 200 deaths.

    Coffee shops in the states, including Starbucks, are refusing to fill up customers’ reusable mugs.
    Other states have also moved to reduce the presence of reusable bags.

    In New Hampshire, Gov. Chris Sununu issued an executive order on March 21 directing every store to only use new paper or plastic bags they provide, and to refuse to allow reusables.

    “With identified community transmission, it is important that shoppers keep their reusable bags at home given the potential risk to baggers, grocers and customers,” he said.

    Illinois, Massachusetts and Maine have imposed similar bans, or in some cases suspended their own state laws encouraging reusable bags.

  13. Farmer Gez

    Young and healthy need to get on with it.

    Exactly Nota.
    One the same page, you can’t and won’t be able to keep them locked up with a virus that will give them a sore throat and a cough.
    They won’t stay at home indefinitely on the governments whim and no police force with a ticket book will stop this once the masses get out and call their bluff.

  14. NoFixedAddress

    Leigh Lowe
    #3390412, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:31 am

    British American Tobacco – BAT

    Benson and Hedges.
    When only the bats will do.

    Now that made me laugh out loud

  15. Cassie of Sydney

    “It worked with that bloke in the Hunter, who nearly lost to PHON over the Liars approach to coal mining.”

    It certainly did BJ……and since his near death experience at the hands of PHON last May….it has been highly amusing to see Joel Fitzgibbon….who inherited the seat of Hunter from his daddy….Eric Fitzgibbon, start speaking up and spruiking for the coal industry…whereas before his near death experience even a cyberman was more verbose about coal and the coal industry!

  16. cohenite

    Ilhan Omar: “Subhanallah!” in response to Trump saying the US is going to go through a very bad time.

    This evil kunt should be shot.

  17. bespoke

    I agree. I’m not talking about “secret”. I intend us to be very vocal. Just not here. Try it here and we will spend half our time defending ourselves and our motivations against the likes of Knuckles, Bespoke and Notafan, who has already started this morning. We don’t need that.

    Oh! The leader of the keyboard resistance needs a safe space LOL

  18. calli

    This is an interesting story. We’re being “urged” to eat avos, as the cafe trade is now closed down and the industry is suffering.

    A couple of points. Why not sell the already harvested crop at cost or cost + tiny margin rather than ploughing them into the ground?

    Why not leave them on the trees for a few months? The fruit only ripens once it’s picked.

  19. Mater

    Good morning Mater.
    I agree. I’m not talking about “secret”.

    Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I never thought you were. I was talking about SCOMO and the lack of definitive information he is providing.

    Once upon a time, PM’s could justify just withholding information and just throwing us some scraps under the auspice of “Operational Security”. Not in this case.

    He is making some nation altering decisions, so he must have a plan, milestones, endstates, etc. If he does, we should know about them. If he doesn’t, then he is just aping other nations without due consideration of our particular circumstances. Bloody dangerous stuff, and highly prejudicial to our well being.

    For now, I’ll assume he has a well thought out plan (I’m generous like that), but my understanding is wearing thin. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Anyone who is not still wetting their pants huddled in the corner of their bedroom, should be thinking the same. Freedom dies in darkness.

  20. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3390425, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:40 am”

    I noticed that avocados were very cheap at Coles on Wednesday.

  21. Twostix

    Trump’s advise mr Fauci has explained that this while thibg doesn’t end until not a single new person dies from cov-19.

    People are going to learn that the technocratic pu luc health medical “community” are as big a megalonaniacs as any crazed warmongering general.

    The civilian government can’t simply hand over control of tge world to them and expect everything to be fine.

    They’re also all corrupt.

  22. notafan

    Yes go and play your stupid games somewhere else.

  23. feelthebern

    Yesterday at the Woollies near my office.
    Tissues & paper towels galore.
    In the front window too, to entice in the foot traffic.
    & hot cross buns everywhere.

  24. jupes

    San Francisco reverses ban on plastic bags, now bars reusable totes

    Good stuff. Baby steps back to rationality.

  25. notafan

    My son’s tradie mates are working and eating their maccas side by side as usual.

    Very unhappy they can’t play football.

    That’s another thing that should be restored immediately.

    Children’s sporting activities and reopen the playgrounds!

  26. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3390431, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:44 am
    Yes go and play your stupid games somewhere else.”

    Nota…..Boys’ Own adventures!

  27. feelthebern

    My local coffee shop (takeaways only) has two staff up front.
    One in the kitchen.
    It used to be 7, including the owner.
    These are the people screaming for the small business rent package.
    It’s like the government wants these kind of small businesses to go bust.

  28. jupes

    The Frogs have just reported 1355 bat flu deaths in 24 hours.

    Wow. Their previous highest was 509 (yesterday).

  29. Farmer Gez

    A couple of points. Why not sell the already harvested crop at cost or cost + tiny margin rather than ploughing them into the ground?

    Those sums will have already been done.
    No doubt picking, storage, packaging and transport costs are above the break even line now.

  30. notafan

    I shall go and buy avocados, for the war on covid 19!

  31. John Comnenus

    War is too important to be left to generals. By the end of this pandemic politicians will learn that a pandemic is too important to be left to doctors.

    The medical profession will lose a lot of credibility with the public over this.

  32. calli

    On home schooling.

    My eldest grandchildren are just loving it. They are powering through their work and their mum reports that they have never been so well behaved. The novelty may wear off, but at the moment it’s working well. These are two very active, intelligent boys who need to be engaged or they get into mischief.

    She and husband are both working from home – long hours and having to discipline and control team members who are treating conference calls like the water cooler. Everything appears to be settling down though. Humans are amazingly adaptable.

  33. notafan

    And a take away coffee.

    Viva la resistance!

  34. calli

    I shall go and buy avocados, for the war on covid 19!

    🙂

    A glut of goodness. I could get used to this.

  35. Peter the old fossil

    Oh! The leader of the keyboard resistance needs a safe space LOL

    Bespoke,
    Better you stick with making sick, disgusting remarks about “allegedly dying wives”.
    At least you displayed some small talent at that.
    Herr Doctor Mengel will be along shortly. It will be like old times for the pair of you.

  36. feelthebern

    German government posted some news last night.
    They’ve now increased ICU capacity from 20,000 to 30,000.
    They go out of their way to say all ICU beds have ventilators, even though I thought that was a given.
    Fun fact though.
    Only 2000 ICU beds are being used in Germany at the moment.
    So they are preparing for what exactly?

  37. Top Ender

    Sure, right:

    Pandemic restricts Rolfe

    MATT CUNNINGHAM

    Cop on kill charge to stay away from court

    A POLICE officer charged with the shooting murder of an indigenous man in a remote community will no longer appear in person at a scheduled court hearing in Alice Springs.

    Constable Zachary Rolfe had been due to appear in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court for a preliminary hearing on April 9. He is facing one charge of murder over the shooting death of Kwementyaye Walker at Yuendumu last November.

    Constable Rolfe’s lawyer Luke Officer said the hearing was still expected to go ahead, but it was unlikely Constable Rolfe would appear in person.

    “I expect we will be appearing via video link,” he said.

    Constable Rolfe was charged just days after Walker was shot dead at a house in Yuendumu.

    He was given bail at an out-of-sessions hearing and allowed to return to live at his parents’ home in the Australian Capital Territory. His previous hearings had all been via video link, but he had been due to appear in person in Alice Springs next week.

    Those plans have had to change after the Northern Territory Government instigated strict border controls due to the coronavirus crisis.

    Any non-essential travellers coming into the NT are now forced into quarantine for 14 days.

    The ACT has had a much higher rate of coronavirus infection than the NT to this point.

    The court case has attracted plenty of controversy. There was anger in police ranks over a newspaper interview with The Australian given by Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker.

    Mr Chalker discussed the case saying there had been no political motivation behind the decision to lay charges.

    The last paragraph of the story said Mr Chalker had expressed confidence the case would result in a conviction, however this line was removed from the online version.

    A clarification was published quoting Mr Chalker as saying the original report was wrong and misleading.

    It said The Australian accepted Mr Chalker believed he was answering a different question and that the term “expressed confidence” did not fairly reflect his intended meaning.

    NT News print edition

  38. Old School Conservative

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3390274, posted on April 3, 2020 at 1:42 am
    Disembarking the train at Whittingham Station – I remember it well. I trust you were not with the private school lot from Cox Knowledge

    Nope. Just up the road though.
    We were bussed in, obviously as a form of protection!

  39. areff

    I noticed that avocados were very cheap at Coles on Wednesday.

    Alas, the tasteless bright green ones in the Hunchback’s Victoria, proud link in the Belt & Road

  40. Peter the old fossil

    He is making some nation altering decisions, so he must have a plan, milestones, endstates,

    I agree with your premise Mater, just not your conclusion. ScoMo is doing nothing other than reading from a acript prepared for him. He is just the messenger boy. I doubt he has any more idea of what comes next than we do.

    As for the need for a different venue, Notafan, Bespoke and Cassie have already demonstrated my point in less than 30 minutes. No point in giving them further ammunition.

  41. feelthebern

    Reading a report today that in the US, 70% of seafood is consumed while eating out.
    This is the kind of shit that governments have zero idea about when they enforce lockdowns.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    No one eats seafood at home.

    It’s smelly and best prepared by a foreign guy (preferably not bat eater) not worried about odours.

  43. feelthebern

    There is nothing better than demolishing a plate of prawns in the comfort of ones home.

  44. feelthebern

    Or a few Balmain Bugs.

  45. bespoke

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3390435, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:47 am
    “notafan
    #3390431, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:44 am
    Yes go and play your stupid games somewhere else.”

    Nota…..Boys’ Own adventures!

    Yes “Boys”

  46. Dr Faustus

    This is the kind of shit that governments have zero idea about when they enforce lockdowns.

    One thing that Coronavirus has highlighted is exactly how little governments understand the lives and works of their subjects. The large scale unintended consequence count is extraordinary.

  47. bespoke

    Peter the old fossil
    #3390445, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:52 am
    Oh! The leader of the keyboard resistance needs a safe space LOL

    Bespoke,
    Better you stick with making sick, disgusting remarks about “allegedly dying wives”.
    At least you displayed some small talent at that.
    Herr Doctor Mengel will be along shortly. It will be like old times for the pair of you.

    Meh! I would say prove it but you’ve weaselled out of proving anything many times before followed by “I’m just sick drunk old man” no longer pitiful just creepy.

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Terrible China flu stats in Australia for our political class.

    No one has it. No one is getting it. No one is dying.

    Not sure how they can engineer this to go 6 months but I expect a few more cruise ships to be released.

    A normal country would celebrate that we dodged the virus, but not our politicians.

  49. feelthebern

    NEWS ALERT
    Democratic National Convention to Be Postponed Until Week of Aug. 17

    This summer’s Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee is being pushed back to mid-August because of the coronavirus pandemic, delaying when the party’s eventual nominee can use general election dollars to directly confront President Trump.
    The Democratic National Committee said the gathering will now start Aug. 17.

  50. pete m

    France was not counting covid deaths in nursing homes just hospitals

    That has changed

  51. Infidel Tiger

    That’s another thing that should be restored immediately.

    Children’s sporting activities and reopen the playgrounds

    Damn straight it should.

    Kids are suffering more than any group during the Canberra-19 outbreak.

  52. calli

    The Frogs have just reported 1355 bat flu deaths in 24 hours.

    Wow. Their previous highest was 509 (yesterday).

    Any info on how they are counting them, given the confusion on COD in Italy? Are they using the same method, or are they discrete Covid deaths with no co-morbidities?

  53. bespoke

    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    Most with the same training I have. Call me Dr bespoke from now on 1735099.

  54. cohenite

    5224 infections to the chunk virus with 23 deaths all old folk with the youngest 68 with a heart condition. That’s a death rate 0f 0.004%; almost certainly lower due to an estimated 20% of asymptomatic carriers.

    There is no doubt this is the chunk virus, at least the 3rd over the last 18 years. The chunks allowed this virus to spread and prevented any containment by other nations.

    The WHO/CHO was complicit in this.

    The issue is what reparations from the chunks can Australia demand since the chunks take 33% of our exports and supply about the same of our imports.

  55. Tel

    So let me get this straight. Our leaders at all levels take their marching orders from the World Health Organization after the WHO got caught assisting China to hide the initial outbreak, then lied and said “no evidence” for human to human contagion, and then the same WHO told us the best way to defend ourselves was keep every border open and shut down our own economy.

    Is that all established fact now?

    That’s all been admitted right?

    And our leaders are now saying they intend to keep doing whatever the WHO says, because they have so little capability to think for themselves. But hey they will get some extra powers here … and a bit of freshly printed spending money.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    Ie catching a horrible disease in Italy is better than living under a horrible disease in Cuba.
    If they’re lucky the regime won’t let them come home again in case of Wubug infection.
    Fortunately many people do actually recover from Chinese coronavirus.
    Few people recover from communism though.

  57. dover_beach

    The Frogs have just reported 1355 bat flu deaths in 24 hours.

    MSM are so focused on Italy, Spain, and US right now they missed this news.

  58. cohenite

    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    No doubt seeking refugee status.

    The troll has defended Xi Jinping against Trump, the closure of ANZAC and now cuba.

    What a commie it is. Let’s hope it dies soon.

  59. Tel

    The issue is what reparations from the chunks can Australia demand since the chunks take 33% of our exports and supply about the same of our imports.

    I’m not so anxious about reparations … Australia is a wealthy nation, we could run a working industrial economy anytime we wanted to. However, restoration of sovereignty is really important and punishment for our leaders blindly following obviously stupid recommendations from the WHO.

  60. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #3390470, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:23 am

    Kids are suffering more than any group during the CanberraX-1 Wuhan-19 outbreak.

  61. calli

    Interesting article on France and Italy and nursing homes.

    This stood out:

    In the province of Bergamo, 2,060 deaths were attributed to the virus in March. However, L’Eco di Bergamo, a local newspaper, found that a total of 5,400 deaths occurred in the province in March, up from just 900 in the same month in 2019.

    Some small towns in Lombardy have seen total deaths in March from all causes soar by more than 900 per cent year on year, according to analysis conducted by the polling and data analysis company YouTrend. 

  62. calli

    I presume the “deaths from all causes” is a product of an ageing population.

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    You really have to laugh at the left:

    San Francisco reverses ban on plastic bags, now bars reusable totes

    San Francisco has reversed its 13-year ban on plastic bags and will now prohibit the reusable bags city leaders once championed because of the coronavirus.

    The liberal city announced the switch this week as part of its plan to curb the spread of coronavirus. Barring customers from bringing reusable bags, mugs and other household items into stores was adopted as a measure “to prevent unnecessary contact” among the public.

    San Francisco is not the only place that has reversed its reusable bag policy, but it is certainly the most surprising. The city was at the forefront of eliminating single-use plastic bags in 2007.

    Sorry turtles, lefties have just worked out they like themselves better than they like you.

  64. lotocoti

    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    Heaven help their families if they don’t return to the workers’ and peasants’ paradise.

  65. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    I’ve heard from a “reliable source” that the Cuban doctors that were sent to Angola were little better trained then medical orderlies, in the South African Army.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    The Washington Times
    @WashTimes
    San Francisco reverses ban on plastic bags, now bars reusable totes

    Wow. That is pretty incredible.

    The world’s most liberal city did this and still we persist with filth carriers.

  67. Tel

    No one has it. No one is getting it. No one is dying.

    I think if there was testing of schools you would find most of the kids have already recovered but only had mild symptoms and mums got ignored when they asked about it.

    At this stage it’s fair to presume that whatever “protocol” they have been following was intentionally as ridiculous as possible. I would guess they made one dumb suggestion after another, each incrementally more outrageous than the previous wondering when the “National Takeover” club would stop and ask “Huh? Is that really a good idea?” but no one had the brains to ask.

    For example, kids can go to school then come home and sit on grandma’s lap but 20 something backpackers living with other backpackers mustn’t be allowed on the beach. It doesn’t pass the most obvious test for logic and consistency, and now we understand they were getting instructions indirectly from Beijing wanting to see us fail. Suddenly the nonsense makes sense.

  68. Barry

    We’re in the Southern Hemisphere. We’re just coming out of Summer. Viral transmission is very low – see the stats.

    To follow the Northern hemisphere approach is INSANE.

    We’re all much better getting the virus NOW, not waiting until it peaks in WINTER, when the flu is here, when everyone’s resistance is down and when transmission will be at it’s highest.

    The WHO is geared to the Northern Hemisphere timing. To follow them is negligent homicide.

    We need MANAGED TRANSMISSION NOW.

    Get people back on the streets and isolate the oldies!

  69. Dr Faustus

    Australia is a wealthy nation, we could run a working industrial economy anytime we wanted to.

    Fairly true.
    But the change and dislocation to our political and economic system would make the CV19 Hibernation look like an Easter long weekend.

  70. 500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    An amazing increase in numbers.

    Thirty seven of them went to Lombardy.
    Lombardy is a province of Italy.
    Get a map…..

  71. I’ve begun the Defiance! Anzac Day 2020 street campaign.
    I’ve got a few of my boys interested and will help put up some posters over our Easter break.
    Slogan first drafting, any improvements appreciated, Cats!
    Fight, you bastards!

  72. Chris

    One good thing about spending my wedding anniversary in lockdown in Frogland, is I get to celebrate it with a bottle of 2014 Saint-Emilion Grand Cru.

    Superbe!

    Jupes, c’est marveilleux. Bon chance!
    We cycled through there with friends, Saint-Emilion is a lovely place, and we had some nice wines, but I haven’t stumped up for the Grand Crux.

  73. And I just had a nice little chat with our favourite CFMEU guy, John Setka, outside my site.
    Trolled him about the Tigers losing the end of their premiership window due to China shutdown.
    Hahaha
    He told me we go on for now, nothing set in stone though.

  74. Dr Faustus

    Sorry turtles, lefties have just worked out they like themselves better than they like you.

    These will be a different sort of plastic bag.
    Probably digestible ones.

  75. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    Laws and taboos against upsetting the tender-minded are everywhere. Polite society, by which I mean not only successive governments, but the wider bureaucracy and mainstream opinion, holds that it is wrong to cause offence, even to those whose views are offensive; wicked to be disrespectful even of those who are not worthy of respect.

    — Nick Cohen

  76. cohenite

    Get a map…..

    Get a coffin; or would you prefer to be cremated.

  77. bespoke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3390500, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:50 am
    500 Cuban doctors have gone to Italy.

    I’ve heard from a “reliable source” that the Cuban doctors that were sent to Angola were little better trained then medical orderlies, in the South African Army.

    Yep and that’s one reason why 1735099 likes Cuba. His little vanity PHd that no one cares about hear would give him status over there.

  78. stackja

    I gather the angry private is posting. Scrolling, scrolling….

  79. cohenite

    And I just had a nice little chat with our favourite CFMEU guy, John Setka, outside my site.

    He looks about 6’4″; is he?

  80. vr

    Read this letter from Trump to Schumer.

    I’ve known you for many years, but I never knew how bad a Senator you are for the state of New York, until I became President.”

  81. Mater

    For example, kids can go to school then come home and sit on grandma’s lap but 20 something backpackers living with other backpackers mustn’t be allowed on the beach. It doesn’t pass the most obvious test for logic and consistency, and now we understand they were getting instructions indirectly from Beijing wanting to see us fail. Suddenly the nonsense makes sense.

    I was talking to a CFMEU bloke yesterday and he was laughing (sardonically) about the stark difference between what’s happening on Melbourne construction sites, and the restrictions enforced on home dwellers.
    They are trying to enforce the 1.5m rule. Consequently, two man lifts for heavy items became problematic, so a 30 second rule was implemented. Talk about make it up as you go along.

    Nothing makes any sense. No consistency whatsoever.

  82. I’ve heard from a “reliable source” that the Cuban doctors that were sent to Angola were little better trained then medical orderlies, in the South African Army.

    You’ll have to do better than a “reliable source”.
    Was it a pissed off Saffie?

    This is slightly more reliable –

    Statistics show quality of doctors
    It’s already obvious that the healthcare on this island is great, but statistics also reflect how Cuba compares with developed countries: Cuban citizens have a life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women, (average 79) which closely matches the United Kingdom’s 79 years for men and 83 years for women. The country is able to provide one doctor for every 150 Cuban citizens, which is an outstanding ratio that surpasses that of many developed nations.

    It’s better than the USA which is 78.69.

  83. My daughter in law is a worker who has been sent home, by a major business, to work from home but on much reduced hours and income. Husband still working.

    They have a son who goes to private school and now home schooling him. School is providing study stuff every day. However she is far from happy that she is still expected to pay full fees. Clearly her son is no longer receiving the education she paid for. Anybody else having same experience ?

    The school teachers and staff presumably still getting their full pay but overheads and work significantly reduced. In particular staff not involved in actual teaching , like admin and heads of departments etc, wouid have hardly any work at all.

    The PM had said the current situation could go on for six more months. What about the state school teachers. Are they still going to receive full pay for significantly less work. Don’t have a teachers job description to hand but pretty sure many of the duties there are no longer being performed.

    Share the burden ?

  84. NoFixedAddress

    Tel
    #3390482, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:34 am

    So let me get this straight. Our leaders at all levels take their marching orders from the World Health Organization after the WHO got caught assisting China to hide the initial outbreak, then lied and said “no evidence” for human to human contagion, and then the same WHO told us the best way to defend ourselves was keep every border open and shut down our own economy.

    Tel

    ‘The model’ is Australianised by researchers at the Centre for Complex Systems, Faculty of Engineering, University of Sydney and Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity, University of Sydney, Westmead

    If you do a search on Modelling transmission and control of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia you’ll have the lot. (24 page pdf document released 23/3/2020)

  85. Yep and that’s one reason why 1735099 likes Cuba. His little vanity PHd (sic) that no one cares about hear (sic) would give him status over there.

    Wow – will you shout me the fare?
    I’d be interested to see how this “status” thing works.
    After the Covid-19 thing is over, of course.
    Free cigars, perhaps?
    Trouble is – I don’t smoke the filthy things.

  86. Mater

    Clearly her son is no longer receiving the education she paid for. Anybody else having same experience ?

    Seen both. One not offering any discount and another 50% off for the duration.

  87. NoFixedAddress

    Tailgunner
    #3390507, posted on April 3, 2020 at 9:53 am

    I’ve begun the Defiance! Anzac Day 2020 street campaign.
    I’ve got a few of my boys interested and will help put up some posters over our Easter break.
    Slogan first drafting, any improvements appreciated, Cats!

    Tailgunner

    I’d like to suggest another poster with the wording

    LEST WE FORGET
    ANZAC DAY 2020

  88. bespoke

    Cuban citizens have a life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women,

    When your activities are so restricted that’s not down to medical training. I bet Australia will have a jump in life expectancy soon but at what cost?

  89. calli

    The school teachers and staff presumably still getting their full pay but overheads and work significantly reduced. In particular staff not involved in actual teaching , like admin and heads of departments etc, wouid have hardly any work at all.

    Not necessarily true.

    Private schools are turning themselves inside out providing on-line teaching and materials. They are working extremely long hours behind the scenes too. One large Sydney school has been working on all of this from a week before the lockdown. Teachers are turning up at school. Some pupils are also at school because they are children of doctors, nurses and other essential workers.

    All admin are working from home and continuing normal duties.

  90. bespoke

    1735099
    #3390531, posted on April 3, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Wow – will you shout me the fare?

    ‘Progressives’ always on the take.

  91. Boambee John

    Bl00dy hell!

    Seagull [email protected] all over the thread.

    Calli! Clean up needed in all aisles!

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    1735099
    #3390531, posted on April 3, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Wow – will you shout me the fare?

    One way?

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    About the FDA Zantac (proton pump inhibitor) recall. I took some Zantac to Africa with us to foil occasional stomach upsets, which it does well, but ended up giving most of ours to a fellow tour participant who had forgotten hers and needed them on a regular basis. I thus have only a few left which I will now ditch, not because of their ineffectiveness or danger, but because they are old now. One of the constituent chemicals degrades into something carcinogenic, which is what the scare is all about. Probably taking a new batch only occasionally is no real threat, but that’s the FDA for you. They’re gone (see the reasoning below). Nexium provides a Chemist-available alternative.

    NDMA is a probable human carcinogen (a substance that could cause cancer). In the summer of 2019, the FDA became aware of independent laboratory testing that found NDMA in ranitidine. Low levels of NDMA are commonly ingested in the diet, for example NDMA is present in foods and in water. These low levels would not be expected to lead to an increase in the risk of cancer. However, sustained higher levels of exposure may increase the risk of cancer in humans. The FDA conducted thorough laboratory tests and found NDMA in ranitidine at low levels. At the time, the agency did not have enough scientific evidence to recommend whether individuals should continue or stop taking ranitidine medicines, and continued its investigation and warned the public in September 2019 of the potential risks and to consider alternative OTC and prescription treatments.

    New FDA testing and evaluation prompted by information from third-party laboratories confirmed that NDMA levels increase in ranitidine even under normal storage conditions, and NDMA has been found to increase significantly in samples stored at higher temperatures, including temperatures the product may be exposed to during distribution and handling by consumers. The testing also showed that the older a ranitidine product is, or the longer the length of time since it was manufactured, the greater the level of NDMA. These conditions may raise the level of NDMA in the ranitidine product above the acceptable daily intake limit.

    With today’s announcement, the FDA is sending letters to all manufacturers of ranitidine requesting they withdraw their products from the market. The FDA is also advising consumers taking OTC ranitidine to stop taking any tablets or liquid they currently have, dispose of them properly and not buy more; for those who wish to continue treating their condition, they should consider using other approved OTC products.

  94. Mater

    Statistics show quality of doctors

    Ok. But some food for thought.

    Cuban health statistics appear to be a paradox. Wealth and health are correlated because greater wealth can buy better health care. Yet, Cuba remains desperately poor and appears to be healthy. Cuban life expectancies of 79.5 years and infant mortality rates of 4.3 per 1000 live births (2015) compare well with rich nations like the USA (78.7 years and 5.7 per 1, 000 live births) yet its per capita income of 7602.3$ make it one of the poorest economies in the hemisphere (World Development Indicators DataBank, 2017).

    How is Cuba healthy while poor? Most attribute the fact to Cuba’s zero monetary cost health care system. There is some truth to that attribution. With 11.1% of GDP dedicated to health care and 0.8% of the population working as physicians, a substantial amount of resources is directed towards reducing infant mortality and increasing longevity. An economy with centralized economic planning by government like that of Cuba can force more resources into an industry than its population might desire in order to achieve improved outcomes in that industry at the expense of other goods and services the population might more highly desire.

    Centralized planning has disadvantages. Physicians are given health outcome targets to meet or face penalties. This provides incentives to manipulate data. Take Cuba’s much praised infant mortality rate for example. In most countries, the ratio of the numbers of neonatal deaths and late fetal deaths stay within a certain range of each other as they have many common causes and determinants. One study found that that while the ratio of late fetal deaths to early neonatal deaths in countries with available data stood between 1.04 and 3.03 (Gonzalez, 2015)—a ratio which is representative of Latin American countries as well (Gonzalez and Gilleskie, 2017). Cuba, with a ratio of 6, was a clear outlier. This skewed ratio is evidence that physicians likely reclassified early neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths, thus deflating the infant mortality statistics and propping up life expectancy. Cuban doctors were re-categorizing neonatal deaths as late fetal deaths in order for doctors to meet government targets for infant mortality.

    Coercing or pressuring patients into having abortions artificially improve[s] infant mortality by preventing marginally riskier births from occurring help[s] doctors meet their centrally fixed targets. At 72.8 abortions per 100 births, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world. If only 5% of the abortions are actually pressured abortions meant to keep health statistics up, life expectancy at birth must be lowered by a sizeable amount.

  95. NoFixedAddress

    The hidden world of the doctors Cuba sends overseas

    Cuba has long been renowned for its medical diplomacy – thousands of its doctors work in healthcare missions around the world, earning the country billions of dollars in cash. But according to a new report, some of the doctors themselves say conditions can be nightmarish – controlled by minders, subject to a curfew and posted to extremely dangerous places, James Badcock reports.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48214513

  96. Helen

    clever lady makes face masks from HEPA vacuum cleaner filters.

  97. Dr Faustus

    Thirty seven of them went to Lombardy.
    Lombardy is a province of Italy.
    Get a map…..

    Strangely, the Cubans themselves appear to think the 37 doctors sent to Lombardy is the total current Cuban mission to Europe.

    No doubt you have better information and can point on the map to where the other 463 went.

  98. Boambee John

    San Francisco has reversed its 13-year ban on plastic bags and will now prohibit the reusable bags city leaders once championed because of the coronavirus.

    Just as Gladys is conducting a “consultation” on whether NSW should ban all remaining use of single use plastic bags. Great timing Gladys!

    Coffee shops in the states, including Starbucks, are refusing to fill up customers’ reusable mugs.

    Too heavily contaminated with seagull [email protected]?

  99. The school teachers and staff presumably still getting their full pay but overheads and work significantly reduced. In particular staff not involved in actual teaching , like admin and heads of departments etc, would have hardly any work at all.

    Exactly the opposite is the case.
    Colleagues that I used to work with are telling me that they’ve never worked so hard in their lives.
    First, they have to teach and supervise the kids still turning up.
    The hygiene demands are onerous.
    Simultaneously with this, many are already delivering material live on-line.
    Then, they’re expected to convert, at a few day’s notice, a whole term’s curriculum into work units that can be delivered using unfamiliar media. Most have never been taught how to do this.
    It’s a special challenge for preppies and Years 1 and 2 where so much of the learning is based on group interaction and the learning of basic social conventions.
    The technical staff are going nuts trying to set up secure accessible portals that can be used by kids at home.
    Regional offices are fighting with district offices and schools over who is responsible for what.
    Parents are on the phone non-stop demanding reassurance and clarification.
    Many of them are at home with nothing better to do.

    The PM had said the current situation could go on for six more months. What about the state school teachers. Are they still going to receive full pay for significantly less work. Don’t have a teachers job description to hand but pretty sure many of the duties there are no longer being performed.

    Rubbish. You have no idea.
    Apart from dealing with staffing issues (in Queensland, all teachers over 60 were instructed to go home on sick leave), concerns around specific subjects (Physed – shared equipment), transport to and from (journey home is school responsibility for duty of care) rescheduling almost daily as the situation changes, the media is banging on the door asking for statements and interviews.
    It’s chaos.
    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.
    They’re earning their money.

  100. cohenite

    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.

    So am I. Now if you die I’ll be ecstatic.

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Saint-Emilion is a lovely place, and we had some nice wines

    We stayed there a few years ago. Utter French charm and very good restaurants as well as wine.

    Thanks for the memory… yesterday in Sydney was bad weather, dull .. thankfully today is better.

    We might go for take-in Doyle’s Seafood delivery again tonight. Amazing to read backthread that 77% of US seafood is eaten out of home, and so suppliers are suffering. We shall redress the balance a bit tonight for Oz. Wonder if it is the same figure here; we have seafood once a week at home, regularly. Don’t order it for home delivery though because delivery is not refrigerated and stuff is left outside the front door in the sun.

  102. Old School Conservative

    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.

    Oh man did you just open a door there!

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Doorbell just rang this minute. New home delivery has arrived. They didn’t ring the bell last time.

    I now have to disinfect the bell – for their sake – and for ours. And then disinfect the deliveries.

    Gave a cheery wave to their departing backs, calling thanks. They turned and waved back.

    Wow!! Human contact. 🙂

  104. Boambee John

    Dr Faustus

    One thing that Coronavirus has highlighted is exactly how little governments understand the lives and works of their subjects. The large scale unintended consequence count is extraordinary.

    The concentration of public servants, particularly those who “develop policy”, in a few comfortable enclaves is a major factor.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mrs. Robinson Crusoe has just waved to two Man Fridays!!

  106. bespoke

    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.

    🎈🎈🍸🍻🥂🙌🙌🙏

  107. bespoke

    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.

    But wait there’s more

    They’re earning their money.

  108. Top Ender

    Hey BrettW, it seems from a few people in the business that teaching is going to be a lot worse for those delivering it.

    The emerging model seems to be:

    – some parents send their kids to school, and therefore classes as normal for those.

    – for all those kids missing from the class, parents are expecting the class’s lessons to be delivered by “distance learning”.

    The two are not the same at all. For example, in a Science practical the kids at home don’t have the equipment; safety gear, and someone on hand to yell at them “Don’t do that – it will explode” etc.

    Of course, there is a third cohort of kids who disappear from school, and whose parents never respond to any phone calls or emails etc.

  109. Farmer Gez

    Why will winter be a peak flu season in Australia?

    I thought that the close contact of people in winter at home or at work was the reason for flu spread. We should have less work related cases and the home situation is no better or worse.

  110. Boambee John

    Statistics show quality of doctors
    It’s already obvious that the healthcare on this island is great, but statistics also reflect how Cuba compares with developed countries: Cuban citizens have a life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women, (average 79) which closely matches the United Kingdom’s 79 years for men and 83 years for women. The country is able to provide one doctor for every 150 Cuban citizens, which is an outstanding ratio that surpasses that of many developed nations.

    I wonder if seagulls use bridges, I have one for sale!

  111. Bleating about gun and ammo sales to people who really need them is rubbish, in Queensland at least.
    Exemptions in Queensland –

    A licensed armourer, licensed dealer or authority holder may store, manufacture, modify, repair, acquire or supply weapons or ammunition to, for or on behalf of:

    Commonwealth, State or Territory military or police organisations; or
    the holder of a security licence (organisation) or a security licence (guard) issued under the Weapons Act 1990; or
    international military, defence or security organisations; or
    the following persons who require or use a weapon for occupational purposes relating to primary production, animal welfare, nature conservation or pest management:
    a primary producer, as defined under subsection 995-1(1) of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 (Cth), able to produce a Queensland firearms licence bearing one or more of the following condition codes – PPA, PP2, PP3, PP4, PP5, PP6, PPH; or
    a commercial pest controller or feral animal controller who is:
    authorised to undertake vertebrate pest (vermin) control on rural land; and
    able to produce a Queensland Firearms licence bearing one or more of the following condition codes – FCA, FC2, FA3, FA4, FA5, FA6, FAH; or
    the holder of a lethal damage mitigation permit under the Nature Conservation Act 1992; or
    a veterinary surgeon, as defined under the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1936 for animal welfare purposes; or
    an authorised biosecurity officer for animal welfare purposes; or
    wildlife rangers using weapons for activities including pest control and crocodile management under exemption no. 71003924; or
    a shark control contractor authorised under the Queensland Fisheries Act 1994; or
    a person with a valid current macropod harvesting licence under the Nature Conservation Act 1992.
    May continue to operate the part of the business that does not store, manufacture, modify, repair, acquire or supply weapons or ammunition.

    Example – a business that sells weapons and fishing gear may continue to sell fishing gear.

    Gun wankers, and those advocating terrorist activity, as frequently represented here, are not, however, exempt.

  112. bespoke

    I’m very happy I’m no longer a principal.They’re earning their money.

    Fixed.

  113. NoFixedAddress

    Chuck Schumer Demands Military Czar To Oversee Supply Chain – Trump Responds: Hey Dummy, His Name is “Admiral John Polowczyk”…

    A letter for the ages!

    The always political Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sent a letter to President Trump today saying it was “long past the time” to name a senior military officer to lead the supply-chain effort.

    Senator Schumer was attempting to construct a political narrative around the administration not taking action to secure U.S. supply needs combating COVID-19.

    Talk about LOL

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/02/chuck-schumer-demands-military-czar-to-oversee-supply-chain-trump-responds-hey-dummy-his-name-is-admiral-john-polowczyk/

  114. Fat Tony

    1735099
    #3390594, posted on April 3, 2020 at 10:44 am
    Gun wankers, and those advocating terrorist activity, as frequently represented here, are not, however, exempt.

    Sinclair – ban this fuckwit before he causes real damage to this site.
    The novelty value wore off long ago

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why will winter be a peak flu season in Australia?

    My understanding is the low air temperatures also act like a fridge – keeping the airborne flu viruses from going off. Same probably with coronavirus.

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers seems to want to prove that firearm shops are an essential service as people find an increasing need to protect themselves from totalitarians like Numbers.

  117. Boambee John

    They’re earning their money.

    Is this a new development?

  118. The Beer Whisperer

    Twostix
    #3390429, posted on April 3, 2020 at 8:43 am
    Trump’s advise mr Fauci has explained that this while thibg doesn’t end until not a single new person dies from cov-19.

    Twostix, do you have a link for this? I have a few million morons on Twitter to smite.

  119. Tel

    If you do a search on Modelling transmission and control of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia you’ll have the lot. (24 page pdf document released 23/3/2020)

    Thanks NFA, got it.

    They used the China data as their calibration, and they decided that children would usually not catch it.

    Another key constraint was a low attack rate in children, reported to be in single digits, for example, only 2.4% of all reported cases in China were children. In doing the calibration, we varied several “free” variables, such as transmission and contact rates, the fraction of symptomatic cases (making it age-dependent ), the probability of transmission for both symptomatic and asymptomatic agents, and the infectivity profile from the onset of infection.

    I remember Mitch saying he didn’t give much credence to the China data, but there’s an even bigger problem that the number of asymptomatic and undetected cases remains completely unknown. Finding these cases depends heavily on testing, and the tests are still under development, plus the methodology of testing and reporting has changed several times.

    There’s some other weird assumptions:

    Social distancing (SD) has been implemented in our model by removing all working group contacts, and setting all non-household contacts to 10% of the standard rate, while keeping the contacts within households unaltered. As mentioned above, the SD compliance levels vary from the zero-SD mode to the full lockdown mode, with a fraction of agents (the SD compliance level) following these constraints. Similar to the restriction on international arrivals, SD strategy is triggered by crossing the threshold of 1,000 cases.

    Australia reached 1000 cases on the 21st of March, which is when they started going to all their crazy stuff and shutting the country down.

    Thing is the simulation presumed that all work stops … they made no allowance for the economy whatsoever.

  120. Knuckle Dragger:

    The Fairey Swordfish.

    Certainly, it did – just going from memory here, (which is something I shouldn’t do as I seem to misremember a lot these days, but bugger it – my superpower is that I’m a slackarse too.)

    The swordfish gave sterling service in its earlier days but took a lot of pilots and gunners with it.
    It was really obsolete by wars start, and more so by wars end, even though still considered a frontline aircraft.

  121. Top Ender

    My book on the A-Bomb attacks is now in pre-order:

    https://www.bigskypublishing.com.au/books/atomic-salvation/

    I shall be hunkering down – underground – in Marble Bar when it comes out, until the sniping subsides….

  122. NoFixedAddress

    Tel

    New thread and I put your post on it at 11.43am

  123. Fisky:

    Yet another doctor locked up by the CCP.
    https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/whistleblowing-coronavirus-doctor-mysteriously-vanishes/amp/

    My first thoughts on this were that some middle level functionary had taken the opportunity to get back at a doc who had caused them Loss of Face.
    But this is an outlier – while China is telling the world it has defeated the WZV, its still trying to cover up.
    So what would it be trying to cover?
    The only thing I can assume is the existence of a third variant.
    No, this isn’t over. the fat lady hasn’t sung.
    Now that the groceries are reappearing on the ‘specials’ shelves, I’m going to restock. Not with consumables like dunny paper or soap/shampoo.
    Just food and water.

  124. Megan

    Sorry other ladies, but I hope you can see why men come to the conclusion they do.

    I see it but I’ve come to my own conclusions about why that is. I’m currently more fearful about what is being imposed on us than the virus. I am shocked to see how easily Australians have surrendered their freedom to the State. The implications of that are the most terrifying thing of all.

    I served in the Army Reserve for 7 years, first in the girly company, then in officer training where I did the exact same training as the men on the course, and finally in an infantry regiment.

    I march on Anzac Day, not because I am entitled to by virtue of my own negligible effort but for the sacrifices of both my parents and grandfathers and the many of you here who went to the frontline both in peace and war. Their defence of our freedoms deserves the recognition of Anzac Day.
    If my dad and his mates could recognise and remember the importance of the day whilst on active service in North Africa and New Guinea under appallingly dangerous conditions, why do we not owe them any less?

  125. Mark A:
    Loved the ‘opinion’ and the ‘worth’ pictures…

  126. Chris

    Great article by Keith Windschuttle on G Himmelfarb writings about virtues vs. retrospectively defined ‘Victorian values’ as a tool of progressivism.

  127. notafan

    Thanks Chris

    Read and shared

  128. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Tailgunner: inspired by a quote from the NSW RSL site:

    Paid for in blood
    Pursued for our freedom

  129. DrBeauGan

    Chris
    #3390751, posted on April 3, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    Great article by Keith Windschuttle on G Himmelfarb writings about virtues vs. retrospectively defined ‘Victorian values’ as a tool of progressivism.

    Thanks Chris. An excellent and thought provoking article. It gives a picture of religion as founded in the moral sensibility, which may be true. But two modifications occur to me. First, the sense of awe at the beauty and wonder of the universe is also a factor. Second, for many people, the need to have some source of power to worship, and before which they wish to abase themselves is another factor. This second is vulnerable to superstition and corruption, as we see in the leftists who worship the state. There are others, as in the love of ritual.

    I am a deeply religious man in the sense of the primary meaning and also in my first amendment; but I am hostile to my second amendment.

    Any memeplex is a coalition of various memes, and I cannot buy all the memes in religion. Some are admirable, others disgust me.

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