Thursday Forum: April 2, 2020

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  1. EvilElvis

    Woke up to a dead parrot on my lawn this morning. In good nick, maybe taken down as a cats plaything. Bit of a conundrum in these times, dispose of it or eat it?…

  2. bespoke

    It’s not all about environment, claiming growing up in West Boganvillia gives one insight into what it’s like to be poor is crass. Especially when it was so long age and up for artistic licence. Numberwangs experience doesn’t not make him expert in military matters nor should he trade on it for so long..

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Why are the Chinese so dirty?
    Legitimate question.

    It’s a filthy and squalid culture.

    A people that ask you to take off your shoes before entering their house and then serve you dog and fermented bat.

    We need the Japs to conquer them and teach them how to bathe.

  4. JC

    1000’s of scientist have said they have no idea of its origin, except that it came from China.

    Yes.

    The only consensus opinion of the scientific community seems to be that they have never seen anything like it before.

    Nonsense, it’s very similar to SARS.

    Let us not allow the degenerate libertarians to give China yet another get out of jail free card.

    For shame!

    Okay.

    But you argued there’s no evidence it wasn’t man-made as in made in a lab.

    Links please.

  5. Siltstone

    That parrot’s not dead

  6. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s a word, Mick.

    From ‘concomitance’. That’s the wheezing sound Victorian single blokes are making as they gently position their nuts in wheelbarrows as they prepare for a trip to the front gate.

  7. JC

    Fats

    Not everyone is a climate scientist, nor do they work for the WHO.

  8. Pedro the Loafer

    One old dear in my local IGA who had her trolley stacked with bog roll before the reavers struck in earnest assured me that “they” don’t make any toilet paper in Australia. I countered by telling her about Kimberley Clark in Millicent SA, but she was adamant that “all the paper pulp comes from China”.

    There was a bus load of chunks a couple of days later who, after snaffling the meagre stores of paper towel and bog roll started yelling at the store manager to go out back and get more.

    The manager, who is normally a very easy going and laid back character, told the chunks to fuck off and don’t come back.

  9. Fisky

    Globalists and libertarians should help us understand their position. Complete the following sentence:
    “China should face no punitive sanctions for unleashing the Wuhan Virus because…”

  10. Mark A

    One can justify and rationalise nearly everything,
    But only to themselves.

  11. JC

    Fisk

    No. What needs to be done is you setting out your economic model going forward. I’ve asked you this question a number of times, but haven’t got a response.

    China’s comeuppance is coming but that’s when all the dust clears.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    “China should face no punitive sanctions for unleashing the Wuhan Virus because…”

    “Because without China’s 3,000,000 strong slave labour army our dildos and ball gags will be more expensive.”
    – Cato Institute

  13. old bloke

    bespoke
    #3388988, posted on April 2, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    Just escorted the wife to the shops picked up some TP for us and the kids no jackboots in sight.
    ‘Going to the shops’ is not something I should have to do in a first world country. I blame Arky

    I bumped into another old codger in the supermarket yesterday desperately trying to locate something on his shopping list. He was muttering about “bloody women” sending out their blokes to do the shopping.

    He said that when this nonsense is over, he’s going to send his wife to Bunnings with a long shopping list to see how she copes.

  14. Struth

    But we still have, or should have, a culture that doesn’t throw the weak off cliffs or dismiss the death of the sick elderly because they are past their use by date.

    Virtue signalling is appalling, it really is disgusting.

    Nobody has suggested that, nobody.
    However not accepting that old people die, and die of complications like pneumonia when sick with other diseases, as if it hasn’t happened until Corona cold came along, is naive and dishonest in the extreme.

    When people point this out to you and you twist it to mean that messenger doesn’t care about old people is emotional bullshit typical of a female.

    Now ladies, you may not like being booted up the arse with reality, as it gets in the way of virtue signalling, but the Head Adviser to the Italian Health department said the word CAUSAL.
    This was explained to you.
    Are you using Numbers tactics?
    When proved wrong just leave it for a while and then comeback with the same shit?

    He said that even if the cause of death was not coronavirus, if the person had tested positive, to it, then cause of death was pronounced as Coronavirus.
    So like so many who don’t know they even have it, if an 85 year old goes into hospital with no virus symptoms but is having a heart attack and dies, that CoD was entered as Coronavirus.

    Heart attacks don’t get you EU funding.
    The total deaths in all areas you are shitting yourselves about all over the globe are no different than last year.
    Now what could that possibly tell you?

  15. Fisky

    It is clear that globalists do NOT want any punitive sanctions on China, despite the PRC wiping out tens of trillions in economic value. They want to reward the PRC instead.

  16. Mark from Melbourne

    Try the bread in that small bread shop facing the village supermarket. It has the best rolls in Melbourne.

    WoodFrog? Best sourdough anything going about for sure! Dad is addicted to their croissants, Mum to their fruit buns. Neither of which is good when you’re pushing 90, but there you go.

    But the stripping isn’t in any way “locals”. Trying to argue it is is a bit silly.

  17. EvilElvis

    That parrot’s not dead

    Oh, it’s gone to Gaia trust me.

    I’ve decided the humane thing is to put it on gumtree. The Aussie eBay not the tree. Got a bus load of chunks rocking up at 3 to check out the goods.

  18. Struth

    In Trump’s 15 days to “slow the spread” over 115,000 Americans died while having had robbed from them the small, simple pleasures of being with the people they love and want to be around by government diktat. If we continue this insanity until April 30th over 345,000 of those people in the last year of their life will have died and they will have been prohibited the social interactions they would otherwise choose.

    Our government — backed by the vast majority of our population and all the scolds on CNBC and elsewhere — are consigning 345,000 people to die literally locked in a prison.

    This is a person who understands the misery of the unintended or indeed intended consequences.
    Of course, not an Australian.

    These c…nts should be in jail.
    They are criminals.

  19. Snoopy

    Tucker Carlson

    On February 6, scientists from the South China University of Technology uploaded a paper on the origins of the Coronavirus. At the time, the official death toll in China from the epidemic was 564. The paper made a number of notable observations and claims that are worth knowing about. We are not endorsing any of these conclusions. We can’t. We haven’t independently confirmed them. But you should keep in mind that these findings come from Chinese scientists, who work for a university controlled by the Chinese government. Whatever else they are, these views are probably not racist anti-Chinese propaganda. Here’s what the paper says:

    First, the scientists confirmed what scientists around the world have said they believe: the virus mostly likely came from an animal known as the Intermediate Horseshoe Bat. There are no known colonies of this bat within 900 kilometers of Wuhan. Nor is there evidence they were sold in the Wuhan wet market, despite many claims in American media to the contrary. Interviews with almost 60 people who frequented the market confirmed there were no horseshoe bats for sale there.

    So where did the virus-carrying bats come from? The paper says this, quote: “We screened the area around the market and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus.” Within a few hundred yards of the wet market was something called the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention. According to public reports, the center used Intermediate Horseshoe Bats for research. About seven miles away was another facility, called the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The virology institute also conducted research on Intermediate Horseshoe Bats.

    South China University scientists concluded that the Coronavirus pandemic likely came from one of these two labs. They noted that a scientist at the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention had been exposed to the blood and urine of bats. They also suggested that infected tissue samples from research animals may have wound up in the Wuhan wet market. They ended their paper this way. Quote: “The killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety levels may need to be reinforced in high risk, bio-hazardous laboratories. Regulations may be taken to relocate these laboratories far away from city center and other densely populated places.” End quote.

    That paper has been online for nearly two months. So far, it’s been virtually ignored. Almost nobody in American journalism has dared to write about it. The few who have, were immediately attacked as dangerous conspiracy theorists. Instead of assessing what seemed like rational conclusions in the Chinese paper, there was a spate of American news stories and academic research designed to show that the Coronvirus absolutely could not have been engineered in a Chinese lab as a bioweapon. They sounded supremely confident of that. But do they really know it? No, they don’t. As a factual matter, it is impossible for western scientists to settle the question either way. So they amped up the rhetoric, hoping you wouldn’t notice. A post on the National Institutes of Health website, written by NIH director Francis Collins, dismisses any such speculation as quote “outrageous.” Keep in mind, NIH is supposed to be keeping you safe from disease, not running political interference for hostile foreign governments. This is how they’re spending their time, as Americans die in the middle of a global pandemic.

    And still, no one addressed the substance of the claims. The South China University paper concludes that the virus probably escaped accidentally from a lab in Wuhan. It says nothing about bioweapons. Yet the NIH, and USA Today and countless others, have devoted many thousands of words to scolding you for thinking the virus may have been a form of biological warfare. That’s a totally different claim. And it’s not accidental. One of the surest signs that people are lying to you is when they answer questions you didn’t ask. That’s exactly what the professional class is doing now, and they’re doing it on many fronts: They’re lying to you. They’re claiming to know things they don’t. They’re dismissing the obvious as impossible. They’re blaming you for their failures. The media are helping them do it. The stakes are too high to let them do this. So no matter what, stay skeptical. Remain rational. Gather your own evidence. Come to your own conclusions. At this point, you have no choice.

  20. Mother Lode

    Why are the Chinese so dirty?
    Legitimate question.

    Don’t know if they are culturally particularly ‘dirty’, but what does stand out in my mind is that prior to the revolution they were largely rural living in smallish villages and they will have developed a lot of customs that had the effect of minimising the impact of diseases even if their explanation of how they worked was at odds with the understanding of germs the West eventually discovered. But lots of fresh air, clean water, fresh food that they grew and bred themselves.

    Then the revolution came, forced relocations and urbanisation (remember how squalid the early industrial revolution was in the West), old ways abolished because they were old, and an all powerful leadership based on politics and little scientific literacy, and of course typical socialist poverty.

    Well, those are my first thoughts.

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Just a reminder: North Korea has zero cases of COVID-19.

    Remarkable.

  22. EvilElvis

    Do truth in advertising laws apply to gumtree?

    Bloody auto correct has somehow changed ‘Australian Ringneck Parrot’ into ‘Heavy feathered green Wuhan bat’.

    Used condition.

  23. BrettW

    I will stop taking bets on this answer by a Federal politician.

    Todays response about what civil servants, politicians and the ABC are doing to share the burden.

    Alan Jones interviewed Minister Michaelia Cash today (1 hr 11 mins into 2 April podcast). He asked the same question and she also repeated the same answer that senior people had given up their pay rise. No discussion about civil service in general or any cuts to existing pay whilst not at work for months.

    Previous mentioned here by me :

    Alan Jones interviewed Finance Minister Cormann Tuesday morning (1hr 10 mins in on podcast) and asked him about Politicians, civil servants and ABC doing their bit to make sacrifices. Cormann replied that very early on they had agreed to a pay freeze and said, I quote, “I am not sure to what degree taking this further would help”.

    Firstly the freeze he is talking about related to top judges, top civil servants and politicians. By co-incidence same response Angus Taylor and Joel Fitzgibbon gave to Deb Knight last week. Basically they are saying they have sacrificed a future pay rise when hundreds of thousands have lost their incomes and businesses and now depending on a Government handout.

    If anybody else hears such a question and answer please post here.

  24. Struth

    Is somebody going to stop a dawn service on April the 25th?

    What if locals gather at their memorials 2 meters apart with masks on to remember those that gave their lives for freedom, during a time weak fuckers gave their freedom for fear of their lives?

    What would the government do then?
    Anzac day is when you say, enough is enough.

  25. Bar Beach Swimmer

    woolfe
    #3388972, posted on April 2, 2020 at 11:58 am
    Me: They’re trying to force the govt of sovereign nation to make changes to the current Australia-wide policy. That is the connection with the Tampa

    How do you know this? Sounds like they may have been denied entry to a port which is fair enough if not necessary. They are now sitting in international waters close to a 1st world port which is sensible in this situation

    From two days ago:
    NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has ordered six cruise ships anchored off the state coast to return to their port of origin as he fears allowing them into Australian ports would facilitate another spike in coronavirus cases.
    There are currently nine ships in NSW or international waters near the state with only three registered to NSW addresses.
    The police commissioner said they would continue to provide humanitarian care where necessary as well as food and fuel but appealed to Foreign Minister Peter Dutton to order the ships to return to their ports of origin.
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/nsw-police-orders-cruise-ships-to-leave-state-waters/ar-BB11W3l6

    In the time that they’ve been bobbing up and down in ‘NSW or international waters’ most of them could have sailed back to their home ports. Question is why have they not departed as demanded by the State.

    If someone is standing outside your home, who is unknown to you, and who won’t leave despite your clear direction to do so, and won’t divulge any details about their reasons for remaining, it’s a reasonable assumption that their behaviour and motive may not be to your advantage.

    When that type of behaviour is being used by a foreign registered ship it then becomes a situation of sovereignty, given that a sovereign state is displaying its sovereignty to deny entry to the vessel. And if the situation continues, then it is highly likely that supplies will run out. The captains of these ships know how much of their supplies remain. Without replenishment from other sources, realising that other ports are at some distance, the captains are applying a form of pressure to the State. This is the Tampa equivalence.
    From Wikipedia:
    ‘In late August 2001, the Howard Government of Australia refused permission for the Norwegian freighter MV Tampa, carrying 433 rescued refugees (predominantly Hazaras of Afghanistan from a distressed fishing vessel in international waters) and 5 crew, to enter Australian waters…
    When the Tampa entered Australian waters, the Prime Minister ordered the ship be boarded by Australian special forces…Within a few days, the government introduced the Border Protection Bill into the House of Representatives, saying it would confirm Australian sovereignty to “determine who will enter and reside in Australia”

  26. bespoke

    Pedro the Loafer
    #3389200, posted on April 2, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    Good story seems to common if you read the cat.

  27. old bloke

    Man, 35, charged with murder after running naked from coronavirus quarantine and biting woman to death.

    Wuhan Zombie Virus?

  28. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Fewer people at the beach today. Fixed metal seating has been roped off. Did not see the police today. Water was beautiful but increasing cloud.

  29. feelthebern

    They are sheltering as in a storm, a viral storm.

    The people who knowingly got on those floating RSL’s can go fuck themselves.
    Just like the people who knowingly went on holidays in bushfire zones who ignored weeks of warnings.
    Stupidity isn’t a get out of jail free card.

  30. Fisky

    No. What needs to be done is you setting out your economic model going forward.

    Globalists say we should look to China and learn from China. I imagine this means they are fine with Australia having aggressive import substitution and repatriation of supply chains, just like China.

  31. old bloke

    Infidel Tiger
    #3389218, posted on April 2, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    Just a reminder: North Korea has zero cases of COVID-19.

    Remarkable.

    North Korea closed its border with China on the 22nd January
    , well before any other country paid attention to the pandemic. I wonder if someone in China advised the Norks?

  32. Numberwangs experience doesn’t not make him expert in military matters nor should he trade on it for so long..

    I don’t claim to be an expert on anything, but I have a pretty good understanding of my own experience.
    The funny thing is, plenty others who post here seem to have an in-depth knowledge of that same experience, even though some weren’t born at the time, and others were nowhere near me or my unit when I served.
    Only on Catallaxy, which exists in a dimension all of its own, inhabited by largely cranks and loonies.
    And the current crisis has revealed that so clearly.

  33. Tintarella di Luna

    Basically they are saying they have sacrificed a future pay rise when hundreds of thousands have lost their incomes and businesses and now depending on a Government handout.

    When they say: “We’re all in this together” they’re actually saying “You’re all in this together” and we put you there — you’re all in this together you’ll be bearing the pain and suffering while the “we” look on with great satisfaction at the chaos and destruction.

    And remember folks: “we’re all in this together”

  34. JC

    Fisky
    #3389228, posted on April 2, 2020 at 3:05 pm
    No. What needs to be done is you setting out your economic model going forward.

    Globalists say we should look to China and learn from China. I imagine this means they are fine with Australia having aggressive import substitution and repatriation of supply chains, just like China.

    Fisky, we need to see the model.

  35. calli

    Now ladies, you may not like being booted up the arse with reality, as it gets in the way of virtue signalling,

    As you’ve used the plural, I assume you’re insulting me too, struth.

    About to lose a business that’s taken 30 years to build? I am. About to have a son who will blame himself mercilessly if it goes under? I am.

    I was simply questioning how they came to those conclusions. And the reason it took me so long to bring up your words was because I was working.

  36. dopey

    ABC: 85 year old man dies in Toowoomba from virus.

  37. bespoke

    1735099

    Need a tissue?

  38. calli

    Sorry, that wasn’t virtue signalling about the business. I know many…many other Cats are facing the same thing. I’m nothing special.

  39. feelthebern

    Morally it is wrong to expose the many (the population of Australia) to give help to the few (those who knowingly got on cruise ships).
    These ships should have supplies dropped on them daily (if needed).
    If health professionals want to get on the ship for the duration of the outbreak, they can volunteer.
    Under no circumstances should any of them be allowed off the ships until they all test negative to coronavirus or died.

  40. Top Ender

    when this nonsense is over, he’s going to send his wife to Bunnings with a long shopping list to see how she copes

    1. Can of striped paint
    2. Left handed shifting spanner
    3. Long weight.
    4. Pkt self-tapping machine screws

  41. feelthebern

    About to lose a business that’s taken 30 years to build? I am. About to have a son who will blame himself mercilessly if it goes under? I am.

    calli, please make sure you speak with your accountants to ensure you are ready to roll with the small business subsidies.
    Longevity is a business model in this environment.

  42. Shy Ted

    1735099 #3389231, posted on April 2, 2020 at 3:08 pm
    Only on Catallaxy, which exists in a dimension all of its own, inhabited by largely cranks and loonies.

    And in a place far, far removed from reality –
    1735099 #3380402, posted on March 28, 2020 at 9:14 am
    My blog stats tell me I have 185000+ viewers worldwide.

    Perhaps some crank or loonie looks at his own blog 184,997 times and 3 people accidentally get lost on the internet and end up there. That’s what the tiny number of comments on that scrofulous blog would suggest.

  43. calli

    Done, bern. Everything that can possibly be done has been.

    And merciful heavens, a couple of jobs rolled in this week ready to go.

    I had to have a wry laugh when that idiot Kochie told employees to “speak to their boss” about the new handouts and such.

    We knew as much as they did. So much for working for da ebil “man”.

  44. feelthebern

    It’s crazy.
    One second we are being told we’re at war & all small businesses are being sacrificed in the attempt to defend the nation.
    The next second we are being told to be compassionate.
    Which one is it?

  45. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Knuckle Dragger at 2:32 pm:

    “It’s a word, Mick.

    From ‘concomitance’. That’s the wheezing sound Victorian single blokes are making as they gently position their nuts in wheelbarrows as they prepare for a trip to the front gate.”

    A word

    We had our blokes out for six months at a time on profitable jobs we chose to pursue in western QLD and NSW. I left it to them to come up with a date to return home together for a week – the larger crew had been together for 30 years, some of ’em.

    They were used to me finding a local gym for our younger 3, and they were used to me heading off to Mass on Sundays when I would come out to stay with them for a week or so now and then. One of those apprentices was a gym user and built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He had never had a street brawl in his life – I could never quite work that out.

    All good men – they observed my distaste for continuous swearing when we were working near the public and more than once I’d hear the call “Keep it down fellas, Mick’s on site”, mainly from Smithy (ex Long Bay) for whom I had to regularly write references to present to the magistrate for drunk and disorderly. In that same vein I told them they ought to try to be more articulate and I’d give them a couple of complex words each week for discussion.

    They had no time for the JSEAs and other sign on papers required by the client and Worksafe. I tried everything to get the buggers to pretend to read and sign them, and would threaten there would be no pay next Wednesday if they didn’t do what I wanted.

    “Yeah, yeah, sure Mick”

    This is when I would give them their words for the week. I recall at Moree signing a JSEA first myself then passing it around.

    Them: “Alright Mick, you’ve signed yourself as John Wittenberg¹. Who was he?”

    Me: “A German philharmonic orchestra conductor. I want you to tell me by smoko Friday what a philharmonic orchestra conductor does for a crust. The winner gets a couple of schooners.”

    Them: “Oh. Alright.”

    Well, the JSEA came back around to me signed by Fred Wittenberg, Jeff Wittenberg, Smithy Wittenberg, Clint Wittenberg … As I said, all good men.

    ¹ Wittenberg played front row for St George and Australia in the late ’60s. He lived near Johanna when he moved down from Queensland – I’ve told the yarn here previously.

  46. feelthebern

    Done, bern. Everything that can possibly be done has been.

    The BAS refunds are key for some.
    It means lodge early as possible, not as late as possible.

    The job keeper is a real pain, but manageable.

    Tomorrow the small business rental subsidy plan is meant to be announced.

  47. JC

    Calli

    Why can’t you pack it on ice until this all blows over?

  48. egg_

    One can justify and rationalise nearly everything,
    But only to themselves.

    Narcs try to convince everyone else of their greatness.

  49. bespoke

    And 1735099 your decryption of Trump’s words is so inline Anne, spooky!.

  50. cohenite

    Head prefect continues his defence of the chunks:

    Lastly, 1000’s of scientists have looked into the China Bug and there is zero evidence it was manufactured in a lab. None!

    Stalker stops stroking head prefect’s arse

    This is demonstrably untrue.

    Maybe. The chunk virus is a mutated version of a virus called RaTG13 found in the Horseshoe Bat, which is not found naturally in Wuhan. The RaTG13 virus mutated in 2 key ways to become the chunk virus: it developed a sticky lipid membrane which allowed it to stick to human cells; secondly, it’s protein spike became much more powerful allowing it to penetrate human cells to replicate.

    Did it mutate naturally and if so how did it end up in Wuhan; or did it mutate in the labs and then get released, accidentally or otherwise.

  51. BrettW

    N Korea shoots you first, that way the death is not counted towards the virus count.

    Infidel Tiger
    #3389218, posted on April 2, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    Just a reminder: North Korea has zero cases of COVID-19.

    Remarkable.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    About to lose a business that’s taken 30 years to build? I am. About to have a son who will blame himself mercilessly if it goes under? I am.

    Hang in there.

    They can’t wind you up for at least 6 months.

    Hopefully this idiocy is over sooner than that.

    This is why i despise the fake jobber and corporates so much. They complain about boredom, real people are about to lose everything.

  53. calli

    We’re onto it, bern. PAYG forms in, no money. Quarterly BAS in, and I think it gets credited at a discount to PAYG. Our accountant knows exactly what she’s doing, fortunately. 🙂

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just a reminder: North Korea has zero cases of COVID-19.

    Except that hundreds of Nork soldiers have died mysteriously, and Kim Jong Fatty has gone to ground. Weird huh?

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Calli

    Why can’t you pack it on ice until this all blows over?

    Did you learn business from Frydenberg & Morrison?

    Real businesses can not be hibernated.

  56. JC

    Cronkite

    Unlike you I try to figure out the truth of things instead of hallucinating my way through life. I’ve continually said that the Chinese regime is to blame. Unlike you though, I don’t fall for every conspiracy theory posted on the web. I’ve said and continue to say the bug likely came from species passage as some fucker was devouring a bat, or it was accidentally released from those labs. I don’t believe it was manufactured. No serious person does.

    Now get back to the rate apportionment for tomorrow’s land online transfer and STFU, you zero point energy idiot.

  57. Real Deal

    When they say: “We’re all in this together” they’re actually saying “You’re all in this together” and we put you there — you’re all in this together you’ll be bearing the pain and suffering while the “we” look on with great satisfaction at the chaos and destruction.

    And remember folks: “we’re all in this together”

    together”

    John Barilaro said that in the bushfires in January. While on a family holiday in London.

  58. Struth

    The “they would’ve died anyway” observation neglects one key aspect.

    We’re all going to die anyway.

    But pity help the weak, old and sick. We aren’t quite savages yet. But give it time.

    Sorry Cassi, did I not see virtue signalling in this?

    I believe in helping the old and sick, and to suggest otherwise is disgusting.
    However, the old and sick die no matter how much you help them at some point.
    To deny this is ludicrous.
    To then use those deaths to imply they weren’t going to die if they hadn’t caught this particular virus, is insane, and to use it to imprison nations is insane and truly evil.
    The fact is this virus only helps kill those in God’s waiting room, with one foot in the grave, like flus do, and by figures the flus are much worse.
    We do all we can to defend them from all viruses and keep them all alive as long as we can, but this is a pure grab for power based on the difference between one virus helping to knock the elderly off, or the other.
    Other viruses, nobody gave a shit about how many oldies got wiped out from it.
    Part of life apparently.
    Business as usual.
    Change name of virus………………….shut down western world.

  59. egg_

    Look at the wreck of the Batavia for despotism max.

  60. calli

    Why can’t you pack it on ice until this all blows over?

    Because I have employees with families. I know they can get grubbermint money, but they are workers not loafers. To these men and women, work is food and drink and breath.

    We have been through lean times before. Fortunately no debt and money in the bank and a mil in WIP. Debtors are under control except for the idiot grub taking us to the CCT. Possible to reduce wages for all, still a bit of fat in there. The last straw would be Council b*ggerising around with approvals and causing delays.

  61. Davey Boy

    Lobbying forces gun shop U-turn in Queensland

    by Nadia Isa

    The Queensland Government has amended a decision made last week which required all associated dealer and armourer businesses to cease all operations. The Shadow Minister for Police, Trevor Watts MP, questioned the Labor Government’s “knee-jerk” decision.

    “[The] decision has been made without foresight of the dire consequences this will have on Queenslanders who rely on this industry, particularly farmers and landholders who we need now more than ever to supply food and fibre,” Minister Watts said.

    SSAA also questioned the decision at both state and national level. “We understand this decision has prevented our shooters from purchasing equipment, components and accessories,” said SSAA Queensland CEO David Jones.

    “SSAA (Qld) Inc. has made submissions for arrangements to be provided for firearm dealers to resume trading with the following requests: supply and allow all requirements to primary producers for the protection of livestock; members who are involved in feral pest control; resume online purchases; be able to take interstate transfers.”

    This morning, the Minister for Agricultural Industry Development and Fisheries, the Hon Mark Furner, released changed conditions to the ban. “Licensed armourers and licensed dealers will now be able to provide essential services to primary producers and other industries which rely on weapons to do their jobs,” Minister Furner said.

    The direction allows licensed armourers and licensed dealers to provide firearms and ammunition to:

    Commercial pest controllers or feral animal controllers,
    Vets,
    Shark control contractors
    A number of other state and federal bodies.

    Variations of the restrictions have been introduced in Western Australia, Queensland and Victoria with each state claiming the bans are in the interest of ‘public safety’. SSAA National has questioned the unintended consequences these bans will raise, including the end result of firearms and ammunition currently in transit if no dealer is able to receive the shipment.

    Western Australia enacted its Closure of Gun Shop Directions last Friday. The Directions enforce the closure of any gun shop with penalties of up to $250,000.

    The Victorian Minister for Police and Emergency Services, the Hon Lisa Neville MP, introduced the ban in her state today with some leniencies for essential services like farmers and rural landholders.

    “To prevent potential stockpiling and the risk that firearms and ammunition could fall into criminal hands or dealers could be targeted by organized crime, licensed dealers will now be prohibited from selling firearms and ammunition for sporting or recreational purposes for the duration of the coronavirus outbreak.

    “We’ve also seen in the past week particularly, a doubling of attempts to access firearms category A and B and also of ammunition, so we are concerned by those figures.”

    SSAA Victoria CEO Jack Wegman said the Government’s decision sends a “terrible message about fellow Victorians where no evidence has been offered”. “There are no statistics to justify banning a legal product obtained in a lawful manner by people who have been vetted by police, need a genuine reason, have proper storage and somewhere to shoot.”

  62. Mother Lode

    Kochie is an agent from the future, I think.

    Some small pallid being with gargantuan eyes and long spidery fingers puts on its ‘Kochie’ suit (manufactured based on some very damaged photographs from our time).

    It waddles out onto the set and gives its sage advice to businesses and people and winnows out all the weak, feeble, muddled businesses and minds – the ones that listen to him.

  63. calli

    Have it your way, Struth. Too busy to argue over semantics.

    And it’s “calli”.

  64. egg_

    Except that hundreds of Nork soldiers have died mysteriously,

    Thanks.
    My Filipina friend posted a NorK soldier commending their Prez’s lockdown.
    PRC & DPRK being great mates; and the Prez being sucked in by Xi.

  65. Peter the old fossil

    As you’ve used the plural, I assume you’re insulting me too, struth.
    About to lose a business that’s taken 30 years to build? I am. About to have a son who will blame himself mercilessly if it goes under? I am.

    Maybe Calli.
    But it’s hard to have much sympathy for somebody who chooses to respond to Struth’s alternative explanation of causes by sarcastically claiming he’ll be suggesting extermination camps next.

    And it’s difficult to justify trying to help somebody who doesn’t even bother responding to an offer to set up, finance and run a website so people like you can pool ideas and help each come up with alternative ideas to survive what’s happening, and what’s coming.

    There is an old saying – “God helps those who help themselves”.
    Maybe you should ponder on the meaning of that for a while.

  66. egg_

    Looks like some very old cants in those DPRK military lineups.

  67. egg_

    Kochie is an agent from the future

    Talking breakfast cereal.

  68. calli

    sarcastically claiming he’ll be suggesting extermination camps next.

    Did I? Did I really? Please show me where I said this.

    somebody who doesn’t even bother responding

    Did I fail to see something you wrote? I apologise. I speed read most of the time. That was a kind offer. Thank you.

    There is an old saying – “God helps those who help themselves”.

    It may be a saying, but the truth of the matter is that God help the hopeless, the homeless, the poor and the outcast. He doesn’t have much time for the self-sufficient.

  69. Mother Lode

    Except that hundreds of Nork soldiers have died mysteriously,

    Kim is putting it out that they died of starvation – but his management of the virus has been second to none.

  70. egg_

    However, the old and sick die no matter how much you help them at some point.

    Nomads like the First Nations aboriginals and inuit left the old and frail behind?
    Thinning the herd?

  71. Mother Lode

    Come on people!

    We should be fighting the common enemy:

    Pineapple on pizza!

  72. EvilElvis

    That’s a bugger, Calli. I know the feeling and probably have different advice than most here. Don’t be sentimental, cut and run if you have too. Some clowns think a business can hibernate. There’s nothing wrong with the business being let go of and you hibernating and being ready to roll again, when you are ready to roll. As with most small business the greatest asset is the owner, you are the business.

  73. egg_

    Put Kochie and his show in hibernation for 6 months.

  74. Struth

    Have it your way, Struth. Too busy to argue over semantics.

    And it’s “calli”.

    Don’t have a crack and you won’t have to.

    Anyway.
    Palaschook gave us Qlders a “stern warning” today.

    No matter if you are walking alone on a deserted beach, thou shalt not layeth down to suntan.

    Sunbaking in Qld is Verboten with fines over a grand, 13oo.
    On an empty beach.
    You are allowed to do a brief walk for fitness and then go straight home.
    We were told to stay in our suburbs now, and to do the right thing (whatever she declares that to be) and that this would be a situation for at least six months!
    She then said we are all in this together as she gave the state’s Public Servants a pay rise and a special one off payment I think it was roughly 1700 bucks.
    They have also slipped through a euthanasia bill apparently.

    RUOK with this Australia?

  75. bespoke

    calli
    #3389280, posted on April 2, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    Because I have employees with families. I know they can get grubbermint money, but they are workers not loafers. To these men and women, work is food and drink and breath.

    Your a champ. My boss and wife has done all he can for me and my wife in tuff times and I’m you’ll get reworded with same loyalty and respect like he was.

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    1. Can of striped paint
    2. Left handed shifting spanner
    3. Long weight.
    4. Pkt self-tapping machine screws

    5. Box of grinding sparks.
    6. Bucket of live steam.

    Next door to Supercheap Auto’s.

    7. Radiator hose for a Volkswagen.

  77. Mark A

    Why can’t you pack it on ice until this all blows over?

    If I packed my business on ice so to speak, the opposition would gobble up 75% of it at least.
    I have propriety software involved so I’d save some of it.

    As it is, if I can’t get back to Europe by end of May my son has to sacrifice his Uni job for the sake of the business.

  78. BrettW

    From The Oz via Michael Smith News. 11.8% !

    “Victoria’s Premier and ministers are still on track to receive an 11.8 per cent pay rise at a time when hundreds of thousands of people are losing their jobs or taking significant pay cuts, Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has confirmed. The state’s independent remuneration tribunal last year deemed Premier Daniel Andrews worthy of a $46,522 pay rise from July 1, 2020, bringing his total salary to $441,439, while backbenchers’ base salaries are set to rise from $163,189 to $182,413.

    Ministers and Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien — who has called for politicians’ pay to be frozen — are set to have their salaries rise 11.8 per cent to $352,057.

    Asked whether it was reasonable to still accept the pay rise in light of the economic downturn caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, Ms Mikakos said the decision had been made by the independent tribunal. “But I’ve got nothing to add on that issue,” Ms Mikakos said. “I know (politicians) are working incredibly hard at the moment to support their constituents in terms of COVID-19 response, and that’s not just a personal reflection, but I just wanted to say that I know that many in our community are doing it tough.”

    Asked whether the government could request that the remuneration tribunal reconsider the pay rise in light of changed economic circumstances, Ms Mikakos said the decision was not part of her portfolio responsibility”.

    Somebody should look at what pay rise they have planned for Civil service as the total will be huge if similar rate.

    WTF !

    Qld cancelled planned 2.5% payrise plus payment of $1250 day after the Oz reported it. Correction that should be put on hold.

    How quick for VIC to change their mind ?

  79. JC

    Why can’t you pack it on ice until this all blows over?

    Words have meanings and they mean what they express. The question I asked was meant as a genuine question and wasn’t an attempt to discredit Calli’s business acumen.

    There should be less hallucinating and mind reading.

  80. bespoke

    That’s a bugger, Calli. I know the feeling and probably have different advice than most here. Don’t be sentimental, cut and run if you have too. Some clowns think a business can hibernate. There’s nothing wrong with the business being let go of and you hibernating and being ready to roll again, when you are ready to roll. As with most small business the greatest asset is the owner, you are the business.

    Restarting a building firm from scratch is more complicated then putting flowers in jar, EE 😎

  81. calli

    The other problem with “hibernation” is that contracts have time limits. You have to fulfil them.

  82. Diogenes

    Just got out a whole staff meeting …
    NSW
    1. If you think kids will go back to school anytime during term 2 – think again.
    2. A teacher was pulled over on his way to work this morning – “who are you? where are you going? prove it!”

    Talking to a colleague earlier, his SWMBO was pulled over 3 times in 20km, and ‘papiere bitte’ – 2 people in car. His SWMBO works for the NDIS as the other person in the car’s carer and was taking her to the doctor – given a stern talking about breaking the rules despite the NDIS letterhead paper which exempts them from the rule.

    The inner concentration camp guard is coming out in a lot of police.

  83. calli

    There should be less hallucinating and mind reading.

    Yes please.

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Did it mutate naturally and if so how did it end up in Wuhan; or did it mutate in the labs and then get released, accidentally or otherwise.

    it’s a SARs x bat coronavirus chimera. the likelihood of it mutating in this specific manner in the wild is small, if it had it would still be out there.

  85. cohenite

    I’ve said and continue to say the bug likely came from species passage as some fucker was devouring a bat, or it was accidentally released from those labs.

    Sure you did.

    As I explained at a level which I thought was readily accessible, the chunk virus is a mutated variant; the question remains: was it natural or created. There is a lot of serendipity in this virus.

    I just wish I had your savoir faire head prefect.

  86. JC

    Restarting a building firm from scratch is more complicated then putting flowers in jar, EE 😎

    Is it though and who says it would be starting from scratch? My stupid cousin had arranged for some renovation and were due to start last week at the family business. The builder came back and said he wanted to wait until all this blows over. That’s exactly … putting something on ice.

  87. Top Ender

    Missed this one last week…

    Medics pay price as researchers say half of Indonesia could be infected with coronavirus

    By AMANDA HODGE and CHANDNI VASANDANI

    Indonesia has added a grim new statistic to its COVID-19 fatality rates that are already among the highest in the world — a high ratio of doctor deaths amid warnings the country’s health system may not be able to cope with an “Italy-level outbreak”.

    At least seven Indonesian doctors and one nurse have died of COVID-19 out of a total of 55 deaths — more than one in seven — across the archipelago, with the national doctors association blaming overwork and a lack of protective equipment. In Italy, where 5476 people have died of the coronavirus, 23 of them were doctors.

    Medical workers across the country have been forced to don cheap plastic raincoats to protect themselves from the virus in hospitals already under strain, weeks before Indonesia’s expected caseload peaks.

    Some 686 people have so far tested positive in Indonesia from fewer than 3000 tests, with the vast majority of cases in Jakarta where Governor Anies Baswedan has imposed a state of emergency, though the government has begun ramping up tests in recent days.

    Modelling by Indonesian researchers suggests half the nat­ion’s 267 million people could be infected in the next few months if Indonesia continues as it has — with little testing and no rigorous lockdowns. The figure far eclipses the government’s prediction of 700,000 COVID-19 caseload.

  88. Struth

    These measures have nothing to do with quarantining.
    They are punitive and totalitarian nonsense of the first order.
    I repeat that these people are criminals and need to be jailed, or worse.

    My state border analysis proves they are criminals based of discriminating against people based on where they live in the country.
    It can’t be done.
    (I mean if they have the guns, obviously it can )
    There is the rule of law.
    Many a time with trucking , cops would remind us that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Even though they changed it without notice or proper parliamentary passage often.
    No excuse.
    Therefore these criminals at our state borders have no excuse.
    Most of these arse holes in our parliaments are ex Lawyers so there is definitely no excuse.
    They are criminals.
    I’m calling for mass defiance on the dawn of the 25th of April as we stand against this in honour of those men who gave their lives defending us from this very thing.

  89. EvilElvis

    Restarting a building firm from scratch is more complicated then putting flowers in jar, EE 😎

    Haha! 😂 I don’t doubt that for a second, bespoke. 😂

    I was trying to infer that Calli is the business, the current business may not survive but Calli and her family will and what they achieve post covid will be a success because of it.

    I’m planning my life post floristry, or whatever the hell I was doing. 😂

  90. calli

    Another issue is Home Owners Warranty insurance. It is one of the most draconian scams going. If the industry falls on its face over the next few months, many…many of my competitors will not be able to be insured. We are lucky because cashed up. Others not so much.

    Currently in correspondence with my association to lobby other bodies for a review/moratorium for at least a year.

  91. feelthebern

    Post GFC, there was real & justified anger towards Wall Street.
    During this deep, global recession, the anger towards governments & public servants will grow, regardless how their toadies in the media try to paint them as the heroes.

  92. calli

    Floristry is a good and noble occupation.

  93. JC

    Stop the cheap smears, Cronkite. Go work on that 60 yr old body that looks like a 30 yr old ( more hallucinating), you pest.

  94. Roger:

    Asked how this message is not getting through to medical workers on the frontline, she said: “My chief health officer is advising me that there’s enough, and they are being very conservative with its use.”

    This is the same mindset that allowed the Generals in the First World War to remain oblivious to the conditions in the trenches. Too fucking lazy to get up and visit the troops, they just relied on the Officers reports about the ‘Cheerful Squalor.”
    Palacechook – if she wants the truth – needs to speak to the nurses and doctors as they are leaving shift and there are no admin to take note of who is toeing the Party Line.
    The fact that she doesn’t do this is indicative of her attitude to the ‘crisis’.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just for information, Hairy and I decided to accept the personal risk of being aged persons travelling in the time of Corona and left Australia on the 9th of March, before Morrison suggested Australians should not travel. Even after that Advisory came out, Australians were not told of any proposed border closures or intended quarantines, although I had a weather-eye expectation these would follow at sometime. Again, a risk we were prepared to take, given that living for months with my cousins in the US in free and separate accommodation was always a backstop option should fast-moving events overtake us. We did keep a close eye on the 31 March cut off for return once it was announced and came back in good time on our own dime, prepared to accept whatever quarantine was imposed. We were appalled at the lax health screenings we received and general lack of printed information on quarantine issues, with government reliance placed on ‘a website’ for that.

  96. feelthebern

    Indonesia aint gunna have any lock downs.

  97. cohenite

    The Victorian Minister for Police and Emergency Services, the Hon Lisa Neville MP, introduced the ban in her state today with some leniencies for essential services like farmers and rural landholders.
    To prevent potential stockpiling and the risk that firearms and ammunition could fall into criminal hands or dealers could be targeted by organized crime, licensed dealers will now be prohibited from selling firearms and ammunition for sporting or recreational purposes for the duration of the coronavirus outbreak.
    “We’ve also seen in the past week particularly, a doubling of attempts to access firearms category A and B and also of ammunition, so we are concerned by those figures.”

    Lisa is a lying, duplicitous kunt. This is the same argument dickheads use to justify any restriction, at any time, on guns and total opposition to anyone having a gun.

    This ban, for that is what it is, will be around for a long time.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Agree with your assessment of Palacechook there, Winston.

  99. Infidel Tiger

    Indonesia aint gunna have any lock downs.

    Nor should they.

    Nor should we.

  100. cohenite

    Stop the cheap smears

    Nothing I do is cheap, you cigar sucking, oily arsed swine.

  101. Engineered versus manufactured.

    Engineered.

  102. Top Ender

    And meanwhile regarding our other northern neighbour:

    Australian Border Force have confirmed that PNG villagers are continuing to arrive in the locked down Torres Strait islands despite a travel ban.

    An ABF official confirmed on Thursday that there had been a “reduced” number of arrivals into the archipelago after The Australian reported of widespread concern across the Torres Strait about PNG villagers bringing the virus into the vulnerable communities.

    PNG villagers land in locked down Torres Strait islands. Picture: Australian Border Force
    PNG villagers land in locked down Torres Strait islands. Picture: Australian Border Force
    The first case of coronavirus in PNG was confirmed on March 20, and the nation’s 4000 nurses this week announced a planned strike to protest a purported lack of medical supplies and preparation to handle a potential outbreak.

    In a statement, the ABF said it had “increased its presence in the Torres Strait to further support its ongoing monitoring of border compliance’’ with it sea and air patrols.

    “In the past fortnight, there has been a reduction in arrivals coming to Saibai Island from PNG, and there have been no arrivals at nearby Boigu Island,’’ the statement said.

    “The ABF continues to monitor the situation and work with relevant agencies and stakeholders to ensure the integrity of the border and the safety of Australian citizens.’’

    Oz

  103. bundyrum

    I will bet pluckaduck wins the Queensland election if it is held on time.
    Here in Queensland voters aren’t known for their political nouse.

  104. feelthebern

    Flattening the curve is a quaint western view.
    In the real world where you have to work to put food on the table, self isolating is not an option.

  105. Top Ender

    Generals in the First World War

    There were over 200 Allied generals killed in the Great War, Winston, so maybe they weren’t too oblivious…

  106. Arky

    Sorry Cassi, did I not see virtue signalling in this?

    ..
    Just because the progressive left have raised insincere protestations of concern to a fine art and beyond to the point of ridiculous, does not mean that everybody who expresses concern for their fellow man is an insincere rogue.
    Cassie is not a progressive leftist, therefore you should take her concerns as genuine.
    Perhaps even sometimes progressive virtue spouting leftist idiots feel the odd genuine pang of concern.
    Perhaps.

  107. BrettW

    President Duterte of Phillpines actually said nurses were lucky to have died for the country.

  108. bespoke

    JC what’s stopping your cousin from going to another builder?

  109. feelthebern

    I will bet pluckaduck wins the Queensland election if it is held on time.

    You betcha she will.
    Especially when all the public servants get KPI bonuses instead of pay rises & a one-off payment.
    The media is so dense.
    The media is so complicit.

  110. feelthebern

    The west has never seen a noose that it didn’t want to shove its citizens necks into.

  111. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    About to lose a business that’s taken 30 years to build? I am. About to have a son who will blame himself mercilessly if it goes under? I am.

    you are not insolvent till someone takes you to court. given the courts aren’t exactly working right now…

    every small business has been over the edge at some point or other. you do what you have to do to keep things together whatever it takes.

    the idea you can “hybernate” a business is novel, pity there isn’t any actual legal framework to do this.

  112. Struth

    Will they arrest us, shoot at us, for gathering at our town monuments for a dawn service in remembrance of those that gave their lives for our freedom?

    If we kept a distance from each other, would they object?

  113. EvilElvis

    Floristry is a good and noble occupation.

    I concur. And if I ever find myself practicing the noble art I will indeed be proud. 😂

  114. calli

    The builder came back and said he wanted to wait until all this blows over. That’s exactly … putting something on ice.

    No doubt about it. Laid off all his workforce, shut up shop and has his hand out because he’s “hibernating”. And when it’s all over, he’ll scratch his butt, yawn and make a few phone calls.

    Lots of guys do business that way.

  115. BrettW

    From the Herald. If a Council can do this why not a Federal or State civil service.

    Hume council workers have been told via a YouTube video that hundreds of them will be stood down due to coronavirus.

    The council has told 400 full time and part time workers they may be stood down, with two weeks’ pay.

    The workers would then be expected to take accrued and future leave.

    Earlier in the week, 300 casual staff were told they would not receive any future shifts.

    Most of councils services have had to be shut down due to coronavirus concerns.

    In the video uploaded to YouTube on Wednesday afternoon, Hume chief executive Domenic Isola said due to the non-services, staff will have to be stood down.

    “No one is immune from the possibility these stand downs might apply to them, from co-ordinators, directors, managers and myself,” Mr Isola said in the video.

  116. bundyrum

    Struth, revolution comes from hunger, older people ain’t gonna rebel & the young are happy if they can charge their mobile devices.
    We fcuked.

  117. Ed Case

    But lots of fresh air, clean water, fresh food that they grew and bred themselves.

    Ha ha.
    Farmers of Forty Centuries detailed chinese farming practices in the years around 1910.
    The entire collected human solid and liquid waste of municipal Shanghai was bought each year for a colossal sum of silver to be sold to farmers for spreading on their crops as fertiliser.
    It’s done in Australia too, not only but also by chinese, called Sewage Sludge.
    The disease load carried by people eating food grown this way, it’s impossible to exaggerate

  118. Struth

    Cassie is not a progressive leftist, therefore you should take her concerns as genuine.

    She was having a snide remark toward me, maybe she believed Notafans twisting of my argument to conclude I’m willing to sacrifice the oldies, which I never said, maybe she didn’t.
    Either way, I’ve moved on, I’m fine with Calli, no problem.
    FOR A WOMAN, she’s fine!

  119. bespoke

    EvilElvis

    Irreverent and defiant.

    😁

  120. Infidel Tiger

    1. If you think kids will go back to school anytime during term 2 – think again.

    Have heard the same thing in WA.

    How ridiculous.

    Our children have a lost a year of their young lives on a statistical error.

  121. Arky

    She was having a snide remark toward me,

    ..
    She never.

  122. Peter the old fossil

    “Victoria’s Premier and ministers are still on track to receive an 11.8 per cent pay rise at a time when hundreds of thousands of people are losing their jobs or taking significant pay cuts

    Where does this “Hundreds of thousands” come from?
    There were already close to a million out of work when all this started. Morgan Stanley estimates are that the two initial sets of closure announcements over two weekends put one and half million to two million out of work instantly, with a further up to two million by the end of May. That’s a total of around five million out of work, or more than a third of the total workforce.

    Now I know, because knowledgeable Cats have told me, that this will all be fixed and back to normal within three months because it was all just a misunderstanding and an overreaction, but gee, five million is still a lot more than “hundreds of thousands”.

  123. Arky

    Our children have a lost a year of their young lives

    ..
    School isn’t “life”.

  124. feelthebern

    Our children have a lost a year of their young lives on a statistical error.

    There’s an infinite number of curves out there.
    Australia’s governments & public servants decided there was one curve to focus on.
    The one that didn’t impact them.
    Shows incredibly poor decision making.
    How hard would it have been for ScoMo to shut the borders completely & then have zero restrictions internally.
    These lock downs don’t take courage.
    Standing up to the global group think would have taken courage.

  125. Infidel Tiger

    ..
    School isn’t “life”.

    Schools irrelevant.

    They have been banned from play dates, parks, beaches, all organised sport, seeing grandparents, travelling, shopping… They can never get that back.

    All they are allowed to do is online game and stare at retarded online teaching manuals.

    We refused to pull our kids from school and are amongst the last left there because we know what’s coming. The Moron and Virtue Seeking Class pulled their kids 3 weeks ago and are already over it and don’t know what to do.

  126. Infidel Tiger

    Home school

    Home brew.

  127. feelthebern

    Oil futures are looking good.
    The breaking news that China plans to fill it’s strategic reserves would have helped.

  128. Top Ender

    Tasmania announces new service restrictions

    Another round of lockdown measures will see Tasmanians deprived of horse and greyhound racing, recreational scallop fishing, sex services, betting at TABs and garage sales.

    Premier Peter Gutwein announced the latest restrictions on Thursday afternoon, saying Tasmanians were “in the battle of our lives” against coronavirus.

    Mr Gutwein also flagged further measures, confirming national cabinet would on Friday consider greater curbs on retail stores.

    He also wanted to address the issue of school children reportedly “congregating” in shopping centres. While farmers’ markets would continue to operate, only stalls selling fresh food and produce to be taken home would be allowed, with no food or coffee vans permitted.

    Oz

  129. Chris

    Lisa is a lying, duplicitous @#9+. This is the same argument dickheads use to justify any restriction, at any time, on guns and total opposition to anyone having a gun.

    This ban, for that is what it is, will be around for a long time.

    Its way past time that decent people worked out ways to make bureaucrats cautious.

  130. bundyrum

    I wonder what the education curriculum will be for our children when this scare is over?
    More climate change or real education of global issues?
    More bullshit I reckon.

  131. Arky

    There are companies that are going to do very well out of current circumstances.
    There is a food wholesaler that has for the duration begun home deliveries.
    Obviously, their restaurant trade has collapsed, but the quality of the stuff they are delivering is fantastic and they were flexible enough to go after the home market while the big dumb supermarkets have fucked up their home delivery service.
    I suspect when it is over, a lot of people will have found great alternatives to the supermarkets and will not switch back, preferring to give them the finger.
    Some people see calamity, some people see opportunity.

  132. feelthebern

    Some people see calamity, some people see opportunity.

    Always.

  133. Peter the old fossil

    Struth, revolution comes from hunger, older people ain’t gonna rebel

    And yet, the only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here. And we get ridiculed – by the younger set – for being alarmist conspiracy theorists.

    Peculiar, that.

  134. How hard would it have been for ScoMo to shut the borders completely & then have zero restrictions internally.

    correct me if I’m wrong.
    Outward trips were cancelled long before arrivals.

    Not stopping inward traffic to an Island state at the outset (mid Jan) will long be regarded as the premier act of stupidity by the federal government.

  135. woolfe

    Some people seem to think that the NSW Kop Kommisar (you know the fat fool who thinks that sun bathers in a park are a threat and is ok with them nearly being run down by traffic kops) has the right to torpedo ships in international waters.

    Good s hit!

  136. egg_

    if I can’t get back to Europe by end of May my son has to sacrifice his Uni job for the sake of the business.

    Thi is real world stuff that might put some formerly “immune” Public Service types’ skin in the game.
    Reality bites.

  137. calli

    Some people see calamity, some people see opportunity.

    Yes, Arky. As others “hibernate”, I’m hoping to pick up work.

    The only fly in the ointment is if the grubbermint, in their wisdom, see two guys on a building site as a health risk. Or want to share the pain because “we’re all in this together”.

    Meanwhile, “work from home” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be for the real workers. My daughter reports 10hr days at the screen with video conferencing and such, rather than a quick meeting. Having eavesdropped on a conference a week or so ago, it’s plain some are spinning them out for social reasons because shut in. She’ll have to be brutal with them.

  138. Oil futures are looking good.
    The breaking news that China plans to fill it’s strategic reserves would have helped.

    filling strategic reserves is just another step in the progression to open warfare.

  139. egg_

    Some people seem to think that the NSW Kop Kommisar (you know the fat fool who thinks that sun bathers in a park are a threat and is ok with them nearly being run down by traffic kops) has the right to torpedo ships in international waters.

    LMFAO – impotent Public Servants.

  140. bundyrum

    Here in pluckaduck land channel 7 only shows arrivals from the domestic air terminal never the international arrivals…is that paranoia?

  141. Keith Forwheels

    incoherent rambler
    #3389396, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    Oil futures are looking good.
    The breaking news that China plans to fill it’s strategic reserves would have helped.

    filling strategic reserves is just another step in the progression to open warfare.

    No sports on, gotta keep people entertained.

  142. Struth

    Struth, revolution comes from hunger, older people ain’t gonna rebel & the young are happy if they can charge their mobile devices.
    We fcuked.

    It’s not a rebellion.
    It’s a defiance of unnecessary regulation and totalitarianism.

    Anzac day is perfect.
    Still 3 weeks away.
    People will be crawling up the walls by then.
    Kids locked down all over Easter, by politicians?
    People dying alone, lives ruined.

    Funny, listening to the radio today, and the dickhead announcers, DJ’s whatever they are called these days, a couple of days ago, happy uplifted virtue signalling and scolding away to their hearts content.
    Today they tried to be upbeat , but it was a pathetic attempt.

    Three weeks from now the young won’t be the same young as they are today.
    Just spreading the rumour that there is going to be a nationwide defiance on our most sacred of mornings to celebrate our freedom, and honour those who fell for it, will be very concerning for our control freak criminal political elite.
    We stay 1.5 or even two metres away from each other and they have no reason to stop it.
    None at all.
    And if they do, we will know just where we stand, and they’ll know we will.
    Three weeks from now people will be ready to do it.
    Today they are still shitting themselves.

    You get the word out and you watch the government threaten us before Anzac day, to dare not do it.
    Even if people stay well apart they won’t have it.
    It’s not about the virus.

  143. Chris

    And yet, the only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here. And we get ridiculed – by the younger set – for being alarmist conspiracy theorists.

    Peculiar, that.

    A whole lot of Cats have participated damn hard in politics with large chunks of their lives volunteered to major causes and minor parties. ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

  144. Keith Forwheels

    Struth
    #3389400, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm

    It’s not about the virus.

    This is very true.

  145. Ed Case

    From Farmers Of Forty Centuries:
    In 1908 the International Concession of the city of Shanghai sold to one Chinese contractor for $31,000 Gold, the privilege of collecting 78,000 tons of human waste, under stipulated
    regulations, and of removing it to the countryside for sale to farmers. [p.194]

  146. egg_

    My daughter reports 10hr days at the screen with video conferencing and such,

    If no one’s controlling the meetings, the tards will be lamenting being locked down and the lack of nappy wipes for two hours of air time.

  147. Farmer Gez

    WHO 8th March 2020

    SITUATION IN NUMBERS total and new cases in last 24 hours
    Globally
    105 586 confirmed (3656 new)
    China
    80 859 confirmed (46 new) 3100 deaths (27 new)
    Outside of China
    24 727 confirmed (3610 new) 484 deaths (71 new)
    101 Countries/territories/ areas (8 new)
    WHO RISK ASSESSMENT
    China Regional Level Global Level
    Very High Very High Very High

    No comment.

  148. calli

    My act of defiance is to keep men employed.

  149. Keith Forwheels

    Chris
    #3389401, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm

    ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    That’s what they’re counting on. They have an unfair advantage.

  150. EvilElvis

    Irreverent and defiant.

    Irreverent and defiant flowers. For the xunts in your life.

    I’m taking this as a sign, bespoke.

    *Continues search online for florists training*

  151. Keith Forwheels

    calli
    #3389407, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    My act of defiance is to keep men employed.

    Survival is the best act of defiance at this point. Plan accordingly.

  152. Diogenes

    Home school

    How do you homeschool a year 12 major woodwork or metalwork project. ?

    How do you homeschoool a VET work placement ?

    If you have answers to these, please contact NESA as they are still trying it out.

  153. Arky

    We also found an online butcher.
    Sausages are freaking unbelievably good.
    Huge slabs of corned beef too.
    All commercial grade shit.
    It’s the shit.
    The absolute shit. I didn’t think you could get meat like that in this country anymore.
    Wait til the big shops like K mart and Target are running out of stock and getting the big swerve from virus concerned citizens.
    Online clothing, a lot of it knocked up in enterprising Aussie small businesses and homes, are going to go off.

  154. bespoke

    “in the battle of our lives”

    Think about this. For the next thirty years or more we are going to read about how back in the day how brave there were buying coffee, and going on a…

    😎

  155. Struth

    nd yet, the only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here.

    Who else, I thought it was just you and me?

  156. feelthebern

    We also found an online butcher.
    Sausages are freaking unbelievably good.

    Phrasing ?

  157. China
    80 859 confirmed (46 new) 3100 deaths (27 new)

    The 9mm solution seems to be working well especially on the death count.

  158. calli

    How do you homeschool a year 12 major woodwork or metalwork project. ?

    There will be a gazillion old codgers at the Men’s Shed happy to help out. I’m serious.

  159. bundyrum

    You get no argument from me struth, I would love our politicians to be put in front of a peoples tribunal to explain their actions for the last 50 years, their financial accounts open to full public scrutiny, no bullshit Royal Commission shit for enrichment of lawyers.
    People to decide their fate.

  160. Diogenes

    still trying to figure it out.

    The discussion in a faculty meeting I am only half listening to.

  161. Fat Tony

    Chris
    #3389401, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm
    ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    That all depends on how far “our” governments intend to go.

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern, 3.03 and apropos of voluntary plague ship haunters:

    ‘Just like the people who knowingly went on holidays in bushfire zones who ignored weeks of warnings.’

    But, but bern.

    They had a right.

  163. bundyrum

    MV, you & Struth ain’t alone.

  164. Arky

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
    Cobblers.

  165. Keith Forwheels

    Fat Tony
    #3389420, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    Chris
    #3389401, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm
    ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    That all depends on how far “our” governments intend to go.

    How much further would you need?

  166. cohenite

    The msm in the West are traitors; they are taking the chunk’s side in the PR battle over the virus. I’m not advocating violence but the left wing media should be shot.

  167. Diogenes

    There will be a gazillion old codgers at the Men’s Shed happy to help out. I’m serious.

    Fair enough, but there are a raft of restrictions on what the kids can & can’t do(tools wise). How across these do you think the codgers are. A teacher has skin in the game as they certifiy the kids work as being their own, if they are caught lying they lose their job. Will the old codger lose his ?

  168. egg_

    A whole lot of Cats have participated damn hard in politics with large chunks of their lives volunteered to major causes and minor parties. ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    From previous, I’ve served in Local Govt of a sort and worked with Local Govt Councillors – in a tiny Parish, it is very much a Doctors Wives type trying to Lord it over the little people – not unlike jetsetters and Doctors ignoring Govt, crushing Chi nk* students, keeping the hoi polloi indoors.

    *The Doctors Wives set are racist as buggery behind closed doors.

  169. Keith Forwheels

    cohenite
    #3389426, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:49 pm

    The msm in the West are traitors; they are taking the chunk’s side in the PR battle over the virus. I’m not advocating violence but the left wing media should be shot.

    They’d be no one left.

  170. Arky

    Cobblers are going to come back in a big way.
    Good luck shodding the kids in a few months time.
    No bastard will want to be screwing around in K mart trying to pick through a diminishing stock of chinese shit shoes.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There will be a gazillion old codgers at the Men’s Shed happy to help out. I’m serious.

    Who will need a police clearance, and working with children clearance, to help out. I’m serious.

  172. calli

    Arky

    #3389424, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:49 pm
    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
    Cobblers.

    Half sole and heel?

  173. he only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here

    Revolts/uprisings/riots usually start from a single heavy handed incident by a stupid cop/militia/soldier.

    Easy started, not so easily stopped.

    e.g. NSW cop does a hit and run on a breast feeding mother in a park. It tears up the rule book.

  174. bespoke

    And yet, the only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here. And we get ridiculed – by the younger set – for being alarmist conspiracy theorists.

    BS! Only in your feeble mind as usual, Peter.

  175. Peter the old fossil

    ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    Chris,
    Right from the start I have warned against even entertaining the idea of armed resistance. This is not the days of the American War of Independence, where both sides were armed with muskets and not much else. In these days of armoured vehicles with 30 calibre gatling guns spewing out 3,600 rounds a minute, 500 armed resistance fighters would last less than two minutes.

    There are other, more subtle means available.

  176. Keith Forwheels

    Peter the old fossil
    #3389435, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    ‘Active rebellion’ in the sense of the Weather Underground or Unabomber is not gonna fly with decent people.

    Chris,
    Right from the start I have warned against even entertaining the idea of armed resistance. This is not the days of the American War of Independence, where both sides were armed with muskets and not much else. In these days of armoured vehicles with 30 calibre gatling guns spewing out 3,600 rounds a minute, 500 armed resistance fighters would last less than two minutes.

    There are other, more subtle means available.

    They’ve already accounted for those. There is no way out.

  177. feelthebern

    Seen on York Street in Sydney today.
    White haired chap on a bicycle.
    No helmet.
    Crossed two lanes of traffic without looking.
    Just stuck his arm out & went.
    Cut off a bus as he crossed the bus lane.
    Cut off a ute as he ended up in the lane he wanted to be in.
    These are the boomers we are sacrificing the country for to protect.

  178. calli

    Fair enough, but there are a raft of restrictions on what the kids can & can’t do(tools wise). How across these do you think the codgers are.

    Dunno. Dad would mentor a YR12 woodwork student. And to hell with the restrictions – what would they do? Imprison him for showing a child how to plane a plank?

    Just call him “Grandpa” and watch the magic happen.

    Just like a dovetail joint.

  179. Arky

    When we come out of this, we’ll be wearing superb local made clothes and shod in glorious boots, driving cars with tires that have been retreaded with truck tread patterns, the tank full of 70 cents a litre petrol and the opportunities for enterprising young men with go will be the best in three generations.

  180. Helen

    1. Can of striped paint
    2. Left handed shifting spanner
    3. Long weight.
    4. Pkt self-tapping machine screws

    5. Box of grinding sparks.
    6. Bucket of live steam.
    7. Jar of spirit level bubbles

  181. Boambee John

    Calli

    Meanwhile, “work from home” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be for the real workers. My daughter reports 10hr days at the screen with video conferencing and such, rather than a quick meeting. Having eavesdropped on a conference a week or so ago, it’s plain some are spinning them out for social reasons because shut in. She’ll have to be brutal with them.

    One of my old public service bosses always started meetiings with tea/coffee.

    He would then continue the meeting, with no breaks, until the agenda was finished. After about an hour or so, the discussion became very focussed.

  182. Keith Forwheels

    calli
    #3389442, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    Fair enough, but there are a raft of restrictions on what the kids can & can’t do(tools wise). How across these do you think the codgers are.

    Imprison him for showing a child how to plane a plank?

    Yes.

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘put in front of a peoples tribunal’

    ‘People to decide their fate’

    Hmmm. I’ve heard those phrases before somewhere.

  184. egg_

    Not stopping inward traffic to an Island state at the outset (mid Jan) will long be regarded as the premier act of stupidity by the federal government.

    Priority #1 for p1ssweak ScoMo.

  185. Struth

    MV, you & Struth ain’t alone.

    Oh that explains it.
    You’re the other old bloke.

    Just in casual conversation let people know there is going to be a national defiance on Anzac day.
    A Dawn service with or without the RSL.

  186. JC

    bespoke
    #3389352, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:15 pm

    JC what’s stopping your cousin from going to another builder?

    Time and effort. Starting the process all over again with another dude is laborious.

  187. feelthebern

    Breaking news from the WSJ.
    No doubt the tax hoover in Toowoomba will be popping the champagne at the news.

    NEWS ALERT
    Pakistani Court Overturns Murder Conviction in Killing of WSJ Reporter Daniel Pearl

    A Pakistani court overturned the murder conviction of Omar Saeed Sheikh for the 2002 killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

  188. Arky

    No one learns wood or metal work in a school.
    What a daft idea.

  189. Leo G

    There are unmistakable telltale signs if it had been made in a lab.

    There certainly are telltale signs of Chinese government involvement in developing this coronavirus strain, releasing the virus, allowing to spread widely within a populous enclave then permitting its distribution around the world at a critical point, influencing the World Health Organisation to delay the response of other nations to the risk, and acting to reduce the availability of medical supplies in other nations.
    If you need unmistakable evidence, look for signs that the PLA or the CPC has already developed or deployed an effective vaccine.

  190. feelthebern

    Breaking news from the WSJ.
    No doubt the tax hoover in Toowoomba will be popping the champagne at the news.

    NEWS ALERT
    Pakistani Court Overturns Murder Conviction in Killing of WSJ Reporter Daniel Pearl

    A Pakistani court overturned the murder conviction of Omar Saeed Sh*1kh for the 2002 killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

  191. Boambee John

    calli
    #3389407, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:43 pm
    My act of defiance is to keep men employed.

    Probably one of the more effective acts of defiance.

  192. 1. Can of striped checkered* paint

    * checquered if you prefer

  193. Infidel Tiger

    How hard would it have been for ScoMo to shut the borders completely & then have zero restrictions internally.

    I was the first Australian to call for this.

  194. JC

    Arky
    #3389430, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    Cobblers are going to come back in a big way.

    Arkenwald, a decent pair of handmade shoes from say an English shoemaker is around $2,500 bucks. It wouldn’t be that much different here. Don’t come back to me and suggest a pair of badly made wooden clogs are handmade shoes. That’s just not going to work.

  195. Peter the old fossil

    Who else, I thought it was just you and me?

    Who the bloody hell do you think I was referring to, Struth?
    We need to work on our inter communication skills.

  196. egg_

    The 9mm solution seems to be working well especially on the death count.

    Yup, good way to curb the spread.
    “Flatten the curve!”

  197. Arky

    Did you know this country still has quite a few tanneries?
    If you ever wanted to start a small furniture business, now would be the time to be talking to them.
    I bet they aren’t selling fuck all to china right now, but the hides keep coming.
    The cows don’t need ’em.
    Not when they’re on the plate.

  198. Infidel Tiger

    Anyone not planning on heading bush once this is over is crazy.

    A rural bolthole is now a necessity.

    And not to some coastal place.

  199. Keith Forwheels

    Peter the old fossil
    #3389459, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    Who else, I thought it was just you and me?

    Who the bloody hell do you think I was referring to, Struth?
    We need to work on our inter communication skills.

    Peter, when are you posting the 2nd installment of your roadmap to the end. I was looking forward to it.

  200. bundyrum

    People who think revolution will never happen are not too bright, it may not happen this time around but humans inherently seek freedom, it is in their nature.
    Even with what regulations they are putting in place now people are getting pissed off, I don’t know when but eventually some will hang from ropes, I hope i live to see it :))

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Arkenwald, a decent pair of handmade shoes from say an English shoemaker is around $2,500 bucks.

    Scale.

    Once every second Australian is a cobbler we can get that down to $250.

  202. Struth

    I’m 53 MV.

    Old…..?…………………………..sniff……………………

  203. feelthebern

    Did you know this country still has quite a few tanneries?

    I saw a documentary on deer hunting.
    It was called the Revenant.
    Looks like a lot of hard work for the skins.

  204. Ed Case

    Further down p. 194:
    Dr. Kawaguchi, of the National Department of Agriculture and Commerce, taking
    his data from their records, informed us that the human manure saved and applied to the fields of Japan in 1908 amounted to 23,850,295 tons which is an average of 1.75 tons per acre of their 21,321 square miles of cultivated land in their 4 main islands.

  205. Keith Forwheels

    bundyrum
    #3389464, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    You need to catch public transport in one of our major cities. The freedom these humans are seeking is the freedom of never having to think, ever again.

  206. Arky

    Arkenwald, a decent pair of handmade shoes from say an English shoemaker is around $2,500 bucks.

    ..
    We still have cobblers.
    They have all the equipment and the opportunity to scale up to service new customers. Plus, as I said, we have tanneries that I would guess have to find alternatives to China (say the China, the same way Trump does, through tense lips: china).
    The smart ones will.

  207. egg_

    If you need unmistakable evidence, look for signs that the PLA or the CPC has already developed or deployed an effective vaccine.

    What will bugger it up for our elites will be if the vaccine/s are p1ssweak and only 20% effective.
    Oh noes!

  208. JC

    Here you go, arky.

    $5,000 bucks and a 9 to 12 month wait.

    Jul 18, 2019 – George Cleverley, England Prices for their elite bespoke shoe service begin at $5,000 and is entirely undertaken from their London workshop. Overall, you can expect the process to take between 9 and 12 months with the first fitting taking place at around 7 months after placing your order.

    Let me correct the above. They begin at 5K!

    I could see you in a pair of these arky. They’re just made for you…. literally! Make sure you have 12K spare.

  209. bespoke

    JC
    #3389450, posted on April 2, 2020 at 4:56 pm
    Time and effort. Starting the process all over again with another dude is laborious.

    Fare enough but renovations are less urgent then construction. Or may he’s just lazy.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Qantas could be taken over by cashed-up Wesfarmers, Macquarie says
    Dominic Powell
    By Dominic Powell
    April 2, 2020 — 3.10pm

    Qantas, Star Entertainment, Domain or Kathmandu could all potentially be taken over by Wesfarmers if the cashed-up retailing conglomerate listens to investment bank Macquarie.

    Research from Macquarie’s equity strategy team, sent to clients on Thursday, unveiled a laundry list of ASX-listed companies the Perth-based behemoth could target after its Coles sell-down this week.

    Wesfarmers offloaded a further 5.2 per cent of its stake in the supermarket chain on Tuesday, boosting its balance sheet with pre-tax proceeds of $1.06 billion, or a profit of around $130 million.

    While the primary reason for the sell-down was to shore up its position during the coronavirus pandemic, chief executive Rob Scott told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald the company was looking at acquisitions and had already been approached by some struggling businesses.

    “We have been approached by some companies that are facing funding challenges, and we do look at those opportunities,” he said.

    Analysts have since been speculating what businesses Wesfarmers could look to snap up, with JP Morgan’s Shaun Cousins saying the battered share prices of many companies presented the company with a number of buying opportunities.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  211. JC

    Arky

    We don’t have cobblers here, unless you get one as a stray import, which you oppose anyway. We have shoe repairers who double as shoe shine sellers.

  212. Keith Forwheels

    JC
    #3389472, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:05 pm

    I could see you in a pair of these arky. They’re just made for you…. literally! Make sure you have 12K spare.

    “Taste is first and foremost distaste, disgust and visceral intolerance of the taste of others.”

  213. Leo G

    How hard would it have been for ScoMo to shut the borders completely & then have zero restrictions internally.

    How hard will it be for him facilitate antibody testing asap to allow the lifting of strict conditions on those Australians who have effective immunity?

  214. Ed Case

    People who think revolution will never happen are not too bright, it may not happen this time around but humans inherently seek freedom, it is in their nature.

    That doesn’t sound right. Humans do seek to pass on their genes, since extinction is the alternative, tho the Boomer Generation forgot about that.

  215. egg_

    People who think revolution will never happen are not too bright, it may not happen this time around but humans inherently seek freedom, it is in their nature.
    Even with what regulations they are putting in place now people are getting pissed off, I don’t know when but eventually some will hang from ropes, I hope i live to see it :))

    Does Aus need a “Yellow Vests” movement?
    Construction workers in parties of three?
    They’re probably flaunting these idiots’ “rules”, anyway.

  216. JC

    Keith

    Arkenwald would look great in a pair of those. Are you kidding? It wasn’t meant as a criticism.

  217. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Again, they were free citizens in a free society, not hoist on any petard but messed around and put into social ire and ‘blaming’ due to bureaucratic ineptitude

    But is it a free society any more? We are locked down, asked to move on, our whole lives under the control of the state. Despite being in the same country we cannot travel without almost a permit system.

    In NSW, if more than two people are in the same car they can be pulled over to check who they are and they can be fined $1000.00 if they do not ordinarily reside at the same address. No-one can visit another person, (except now in Victoria non-cohabiting couples can see each other – Wow!)

    Bureaucracies are always inept, but doctors in any circumstances, but definitely in the current situation, should know better.

    And older people who choose of their own free will in a “free” society to go travelling, including cruising, when major concerns are being raised throughout the world, should accept that if we do not drastically reduce the number of new cases, apart from the definite increases in the number of deaths, these onerous, an anti-free country conditions will go on, possibly indefinitely. We can’t afford now to let in any more non-citizens and non-residents and our own people must self-isolate in their own homes until this is over.
    (I’m not suggesting that you are not against this).

    A lot of the more vicious commentary is far from reasonable; it is shameful and barbaric

    I haven’t noticed vicious commentary. Robust, yes, which is what should be expected on this site. But barbaric, no.

    Our world may be currently stalled but we are a rich country, a supposedly civilised one, and we do have responsibilities towards others in a crisis. We would help in a tsunami, or an earthquake, and we are not yet beyond offering help to these people in whatever way we can

    We’re not refusing to re-provision. We’re not refusing to not move very sick people to hospital. But we are refusing to allow the ships to enter our ports. The current situation is not in any way the types of calamities that we have previously been prepared and able to offer help.

    In those circumstances the peril and human suffering was somewhere else. This meant that we could provide all the assistance we could while the rest of the Australian nation continued running normally. We are now outside of “normal running”. Given the level of contagion we are at risk of many, many Australians becoming sick on the mainland, if the medical profession and the govt are to be believed.

    If people hate the virtue signalling of The Left, they should make it clear that it is the left they wish to attack, nor just ordinary people who are citizens going on cruises and otherwise expressing their rights as free citizens until edicts emerge curtailing these rights

    Lizzie, wanting to differentiate normal Australians taking holidays in these circumstances and then being unhappy with the right of a sovereign nation state to determine who comes to the country with The Left’s moral posturing over others risks putting you into their camp. By not accepting that Australia does have the right to deny entry and should do so given the current situation, you are sitting squarely in the globalist, supra-nationalist camp, which is the position of the Left.

    As to the rights of free citizens being able to enjoy their wants and desires until ‘edicts emerge curtailing these rights’, the fact that you, like those other medical practitioners, are more aware than most others of what a major contagion can do, should have made them and you, more aware of the consequences if things got worse.

    The fact is that at the end of February already there was a lot of information being discussed in the media about the global situation. Now, whether you chose to go on your cruise or not, is not the issue, and I’m pleased that despite a few inconveniences everything seems ok with you and Hairy.

    But what is the issue is that your attitude to the foreign registered cruise ships currently off our coast

    does not suggest a concomitant concern for Australian citizens. (I do not want to verbal you, so accept my apologies if my reading of your post in this aspect is wrong).

    Soon we will have more people coming home – I understand that we have at least two plane loads, one from Nepal and one from South America (somewhere). These Australians may need to be transhipped to Christmas Island or elsewhere or straight into hospital if there are any really sick people among them. So, sorry, it is not inhumane or un-Australian, but the cruise ships need to follow the direction of the government and leave.

  218. Nick

    A local park near me has a playground with dirty looks from parents to anyone legally walking their hound. The park is used by residents for private kids parties, alcohol is drunk, no one cares. Some lag rang the council about dogs, who then erected a sandwich board with the rules. This week the kiddies area is roped off and the park is now a dog park. Lol.

  219. egg_

    Qantas could be taken over by cashed-up Wesfarmers

    Fire the poove.

  220. bundyrum

    Leo, an Air China jet arrived in Sydney from Shanghai around 2.20 pm today, nobody batted (sorry) an eyelid.

  221. EvilElvis

    the only hint of active rebellion on this blog comes from two of the older guys here.

    Not sure how the terrible threesome of myself, Calli and KD got outed as the “it’s all going back to normal, flick the switch” crowd on this blog, MV.

    Still waiting for the punchline of your three part installment by the way.

  222. JC

    Bespoke

    Sorry, there is ripping out the old and in with the new, so there is construction.

  223. Arky

    We have cobblers.
    They are bespoke types though.
    They fuckers are going to have to mechanise to capture the middle class customers.

    Let me correct the above. They begin at 5K!

    ..
    I’d pay that right now, not to have to venture out and get stopped by dumb shit coppers and asked what I’m doing, then go to some shit box store and line up with hundreds of virus infected mongs to fight over whatever small numbers of slave labour produced china {clench your teeth like Trump) has dribbled over the docks in the last 3 months.

  224. bundyrum

    Head case, another who blames the boomers for everything….fcuk off dickhead.

  225. Peter the old fossil

    Peter, when are you posting the 2nd installment of your roadmap to the end. I was looking forward to it.

    The second instalment was all about the imposition of military and police enforced martial law, restrictions on freedom of movement and so on. By the time the weekend came it had all already happened. Not much point in posting a history lesson, and that’s the third time I’ve explained.

    The only two points left are the coordination of effort between the five UKUSA Pact countries, and the relevance of the Cash Restrictions Bill. Since most Cats still believe this is all just bungling and incompetence, plus a huge dose of overreaction that will all be cleared up soon, there doesn’t seem much point in going there.

  226. Arky

    “Taste is first and foremost distaste, disgust and visceral intolerance of the taste of others.”

    ..
    Nietzsche?

  227. feelthebern

    Expect the Wesfarmers story to be run regarding every business that:
    1) Is at least EPS neutral during its first year;
    2) Can generate an IRR of 10%.
    (these are the Wes investment criteria).
    Macquarie famously wrote a decade ago that Fairfax was Wesfarmers #1 target.
    Investment bankers need to make mo money during these tough times.
    The wives or girlfriends (or both) won’t pay for themselves.

  228. bespoke

    Infidel Tiger
    #3389462, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:00 pm
    Anyone not planning on heading bush once this is over is crazy.

    A rural bolthole is now a necessity.

    A house made out of cow dung and using cow dung as fuel?

    I’ve or ready got a self sufficient bolthole to go to, no old codgers allowed they smell and are all talk.

  229. Struth

    Unconstitutionally, if you come into Qld and you do not live here, you will be immediately turned around at the airport and you will pay for the flight yourself, and from midnight tonight, you will not be allowed in if you do not live here, fullstop, unless you have qld plates or can prove you live here.

    TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL and unlawful.
    There is no wriggle room here for them.
    If you are a Queenslander with Coronavirus you will be waved straight through the checkpoint, while those free of it but do not reside in Queensland are banned from an entire state of a nation they pay taxes to and are sovereign owners of.

    We have laws for a reason.
    RUOK with this?

    Dawn of Defiance, April 25th 2020.

    The queensl

  230. The Soviet Gulags.
    All those people would have died anyway.

  231. Peter the old fossil

    I’m 53 MV.
    Old…..?…………………………..sniff……………………

    And I’m closer to 70, Struth.
    We’re hardly teenagers.

  232. feelthebern

    MV is what you call a chicken hawk.
    Think Stacey Keach in American History X.

  233. rickw

    Fair enough, but there are a raft of restrictions on what the kids can & can’t do(tools wise).

    Remember the old Hercus 9” lathes with fully exposed flat belt, and maybe a cover on the counter shaft V belt if you were lucky.

    Certainly encourage development of commonsense.

  234. Keith Forwheels

    JC
    #3389483, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    Keith

    Arkenwald would look great in a pair of those. Are you kidding? It wasn’t meant as a criticism.

    JC, agreed. He’d look better in a completed Model A though, so that first.

  235. Ed Case

    Head case, another who blames the boomers for everything….fcuk off dickhead.

    Well said. Where it says ”Go forth and multiply”, it didn’t mean multiply the number of toys you’ve got in the garage.

  236. Mark A

    Arky

    Re, cobblers. Glenhuntly Rd near Jasper Rd Armenian guy does/did orthopedic shoes. been in same place for 35 years or so. Sign in window proudly states.

    May not make new shoes now but only because of lack of demand.
    Given the chance there would be many like him who would be interested.
    Still would not be cheap, volume makes for low prices.

  237. egg_

    I’ve or ready got a self sufficient bolthole to go to

    Grig’s caravan at the Wyong Trailer Park?

  238. Fleeced

    How hard will it be for him facilitate antibody testing asap to allow the lifting of strict conditions on those Australians who have effective immunity?

    Careful what you wish for. Something dystopian about locking everyone under house arrest pending their bloodwork results. And then they’d apply it to the vaccine as well. No vaccine? Stay in lockdown.

  239. Chris

    JC, agreed. He’d look better in a completed Model A though, so that first.

    Lol af.

  240. Keith Forwheels

    Peter the old fossil
    #3389493, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:12 pm

    Peter, when are you posting the 2nd installment of your roadmap to the end. I was looking forward to it.

    The second instalment was all about the imposition of military and police enforced martial law, restrictions on freedom of movement and so on. By the time the weekend came it had all already happened. Not much point in posting a history lesson, and that’s the third time I’ve explained.

    The only two points left are the coordination of effort between the five UKUSA Pact countries, and the relevance of the Cash Restrictions Bill. Since most Cats still believe this is all just bungling and incompetence, plus a huge dose of overreaction that will all be cleared up soon, there doesn’t seem much point in going there.

    Sorry – I missed the first two times. Peter, on a practical level how far are we from MMT becoming a global defaut reality in your estimation? Does this figure in your thinking, along with the cashless economy. And what of UBI?

  241. feelthebern

    Real question.
    When was the last time someone was charged for spreading an STD (or VD or STI or whatever they are calling them these days)?

  242. Chris

    Grig’s caravan at the Wyong Trailer Park?

    Heehee. How much storage room should a caravan have per formalin-smelling skinsuit? You would need a couple of hundred times that.
    Maybe a powered chiller/seatainer. Forty footer.

  243. Keith Forwheels

    Arky
    #3389494, posted on April 2, 2020 at 5:13 pm

    “Taste is first and foremost distaste, disgust and visceral intolerance of the taste of others.”

    Nietzsche?

    Pierre Bourdieu.

  244. Struth

    Palaschook just on the TV now letting us know how many people we can have in our own homes and then telling is we are the masters of our own homes.

    With a straight face.

    She needs immediate sacking and placed under arrest.

  245. Arky

    Still would not be cheap, volume makes for low prices.

    ..
    Shoes have only been cheap, because they were made cheap by cheap labour in places our betters don’t want to think about.
    Plus scale.
    But smart people can find ways to automate or break down process for scale.
    It isn’t brain rocketry. Henry Ford was doing it 100 years ago.

  246. bespoke

    Grig’s caravan at the Wyong Trailer Park?

    HAHAHA!!

    No I’ll show you just give me your address. 😁

  247. Peter the old fossil

    Not sure how the terrible threesome of myself, Calli and KD got outed as the “it’s all going back to normal, flick the switch” crowd on this blog, MV.

    FFS Elvis, go back and read some of your own posts over the last three days, including up to last night. Knuckles, who I generally admire BTW, has been rubbishing me about this non-stop for a week now. Calli started out that way as well, but seems to have drunk from the cup of reality more recently, so my apologies to her.

    Time to feed the cat before he rips my leg off. Excuse me for a while.

  248. egg_

    The only consensus opinion of the scientific community seems to be that they have never seen anything like it before.

    No sign of any real symptoms until it reaches the lungs, which can take 2 weeks – the time at which it can be spread as an aerosol?

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