Thursday Forum: April 2, 2020

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  1. Tintarella di Luna

    Today is my beautiful granddaughter’s first birthday and we have not been able to join in the family celebration due to concerns that the Sunbather and I might be at risk because my daughter-in-law works in a front-line medical service with many people in very risky circumstances.

    And thanks to Skype, What’sApp and modern technology we were virtually there for the beautiful cake with a little giraffe made by the fair hands of her artistic mum.

  2. Fat Tony

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3389803, posted on April 2, 2020 at 7:50 pm
    ‘And firing dead people out of 20 inch naval guns into the dark, dark depths.’

    To the tunes of bagpipes.

    Otherwise that’d be barbaric.

    And a load of phosphorous up their arse and some of those pretty coloured ones in their mouths.
    Now that’d be a cracker night i would pay to watch…

  3. Armadillo

    Have been commissioned for a book which has at its centre the battle between Zero

    Toppy, an interesting aside fact is that the Zero was made of Duralumin.

    Australian servicemen coming home from New Guinea made [email protected] for their sweethearts from it. Rare as hens teeth according to the antiques shows I’ve seen. Some Sheliah had a collection of 5 or 6 pieces she had collected over 30 odd years. Garage sales, boot sales and the like. Most collectors wouldn’t recognise it if they fell over it, and a great percentage probably ended up in an old box, mistaken for something a Sheliah kid played with.

    It’s my only contribution. I know fuck all about planes.

    However, I now know all about cruise ships converted to funeral homes.

    h/t Arky

  4. rickw

    ‘And firing dead people out of 20 inch naval guns into the dark, dark depths.’

    I think having the correct type of wad is going to be key. You’re going to get a spray of body parts rather than a graceful corpse arc if you don’t get it right. Big problem if the mourners are sensitive and / or the wind is blowing the wrong way.

  5. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From rickw at 7:31 pm:

    “They were quarantined in Ibis Brisbane Airport, but many of them complained, so the Qld government have moved all the complainers to Southbank Hotels.

    I’ve stayed at the Brisbane Ibis a number of times, WTF is the problem?

    Oi! Humanitarian obligation scam, don’t you get it? You can hand over that gold watch you are wearing while you are at it.

  6. 132andBush

    Joining the “dots” to climate

    People with weak stomachs better not read.

    Can anyone find out the funding stream for these morons.

  7. Crossie

    Similarities except we are going to have many many unemployed .Some businesses will not survive , but others will emerge but that will take time.
    Agree that we have ditch submarines , renewables and all the govetrnment bodies associated witj them and Paris. Would covid 19 be classed as a force majeure ?

    We here see the opportunities to ditch the renewables and the submarines but there is nobody in the government who is prepared to do it. I would love to be proven wrong.

  8. Mother Lode

    Hi Ed,

    The disease load carried by people eating food grown this way, it’s impossible to exaggerate

    You provided no links so I went looking myself.

    It seems use of excrement was common in many places, not just China. And going back centuries. So it appears people learned how to do it : where to distribute it (nowhere near water sources for example), the importance of washing and cooking food (rather than eating it straight from the ground) and so on.

  9. Mark A

    There is nothing to stop you from being buried at sea but you need a permit from Environs AUS.

  10. bespoke

    Hay Peter

    Your epic shopping story was eerily the same as one from a few days ago by someone else, coincidence or conspiracy?.

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    Peter and Struth might be right.

    Tinder is in lockdown. It’s official – panicking time.

  12. calli

    Tinta. An unforgettable birthday. Many more to come.

  13. Mater

    Ok. It’s official. I’ve changed my tune.
    This lockdown MUST last for at least the next two months.
    I’ve just cut my own hair.

  14. Peter the old fossil

    your thoughts on MMT & UBI in this context.

    Fair enough. Just one question first. What’s a “MMT & UBI”?
    Some kind of left-handed glockenspiel?

  15. egg_

    Bio weapons expert on Bolta saying no way chunks deliberately created chunk virus as a weapon because it’s so ineffective at killing people. Then goes on to say that chunk experts will be looking closely at the economic destruction wreaked by their ineffective weapon. Doesn’t make connection.

    Reminds of story behind development of the 9mm. Some strategist worked out that wounded had a bigger effect on the enemy’s logistics then dead bodies so they invented a small calibre weapon that wounded rather than killed.

    Whether by design or accident, the perfect “economic destruction” of the West.
    Lost time injuries cost employers far more than deaths.

  16. rickw

    Ok. It’s official. I’ve changed my tune.
    This lockdown MUST last for at least the next two months.
    I’ve just cut my own hair.

    I did my DIY a week ago! #2

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Ugh… Tired of my Facebook feed. So many people (in fairness, generally the women) wanting tougher restrictions. One complaining that she’s been in self isolation for a couple weeks complaining about all the “selfish people” on the roads when she had to go out.

    It doesn’t seem to occur to any of these whingers that if they can self isolate for that long, they’re “surplus to requirements”.

    Anyone who can self isolate should be shot to appease the gods.

  18. Geriatric Mayfly

    It seems use of excrement was common in many places, not just China. And going back centuries. So it appears people learned how to do it : where to distribute it (nowhere near water sources for example), the importance of washing and cooking food (rather than eating it straight from the ground) and so on.

    Much trial and error there I would imagine. The same process now underway with bats. Could take some time.

  19. Ed Case

    Hi Mother Lode,
    I excerpted part of p. 194 from the book on the previous page in 2 comments.
    However they used it, it must have been taken up by the plants into the fruit, so there’s no way that fruit could be eaten safely.
    The book may be in a PDF, i’ll have a look now.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    Tinta. An unforgettable birthday. Many more to come.

    Yes Calli — and I am so looking forward to sharing as many as I can.

  21. Armadillo

    We aren’t even in business yet, already we have our first customer.

    We can dump his ashes overboard in one of the plonk bottles we drank?

    I’m sure JC and many others will be entranced by the idea that they will wash up on a shore one day. We can include a letter if the deceased/mourning family are prepared to cough up some extra cash.

  22. Poider:

    Why have a next time?
    This time seems to be panning out quite nicely – for them.

    Nah.
    We can still select the Valhalla Scenario.
    They need a virus that neutralises our ability to turn the Middle Kingdom into a parking lot.

  23. Keith Forwheels

    Peter the old fossil
    #3389831, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    your thoughts on MMT & UBI in this context.

    Fair enough. Just one question first. What’s a “MMT & UBI”?
    Some kind of left-handed glockenspiel?

    Modern Monetary Theory & Universal Basic Income.

    For diversity & inclusion I prefer my glockenspiels to be ambidextrous 😁

  24. Mater

    I did my DIY a week ago! #2

    Sadly, I tried to style it!
    Good try, fail.
    I should have stayed looking like I was homeless.

  25. Fleeced

    Don’t worry, Mater. Post lockdown, bowl cuts will be back in style.

  26. Tel

    Fair enough. Just one question first. What’s a “MMT & UBI”?
    Some kind of left-handed glockenspiel?

    That’s very close, although the glockenspiel is more useful.

  27. Rickw:

    Specifically check out Greg’s Airplanes video on the FW190 and Kurt Tank’s design logic.

    It was that video which finally settled the argument for me… (The 190A not the Long Nose “Dora”.)

  28. rickw

    This dude on the Ingram show … an I nfectious disease doctor… reckons it’s over for the China bug as the anti-malarial cocktail works.

    Australia running exactly the same cutting edge trials, expect answer in 8 months.

    At $1.45 a tablet once per day for a well understood drug, everyone should be on them right now. (Friends and family of Australian doctors are naturally doing this already).

  29. Mark A

    We are all in this together?
    Don’t make me laugh.

    The last time there was some genuine cooperation between humans, when they were hunting mammoths.
    And even then only for the duration of the hunt, soon as the cutting up and distribution started so did the bickering.

  30. Mother Lode

    Maybe Ed.

    But plants are also a filtration system.

    In any event, if there is a wrong way and a better way I expect they would have worked out the better way. Probably not perfect, but better than the alternatives presented. But the disruption of the revolution meant the loss of many life saving customs and amenities.

    My original post was not intended as an exhaustive dissertation but speculation. No need to get…ahem…bogged down.

  31. The Beer Whisperer

    When will they have RBT: COVID-19 Edition, where cops pull over random citizens demanding to know why they aren’t inside during daylight hours?

  32. Ed Case

    Mother Lode,
    Found it.Chapter IX, The Utilisation Of Waste, p.51, fourth paragraph from top of page. https://www.permaculturenews.org/files/farmers_of_forty_centuries.pdf

  33. Top Ender

    Interesting re the Thunderbolt, Zulu. Military Factory reckon:

    Her weight never made her a prominent close-up dogfighting champion but this drawback allowed her to excel in “dive and zoom” attacks against enemy fighters while proving her equally adept at ground strikes accomplished through the battery of eight heavy machine guns, 5-inch rockets and conventional bombs. In the end, this unsung hero of World War 2 proved that she played second fiddle to no one – regardless how sexy a design she was up against.

  34. Armadillo

    Much trial and error there I would imagine.

    Cooking is fascinating. Makes you wonder who and why? Seriously, why the hell would you bake a bean when you can just eat the fucking thing?

  35. Fisky

    A lot of ugly trends in the PRC right now and this is one of them. I’ve suspected that Cantonese will soon be “Uyghured” (not literally putting Guangdongers into camps, but downgrading their language to being politically “problematic” and soon banned outright).

    David Paulk 波大卫
    @davidpaulk
    THREAD about how Douyin, the Chinese version of #TikTok, is banning livestreamers for speaking Cantonese instead of Mandarin. 1/

  36. Mark A

    Armadillo
    #3389858, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:20 pm

    Much trial and error there I would imagine.

    Cooking is fascinating. Makes you wonder who and why? Seriously, why the hell would you bake a bean when you can just eat the fucking thing?

    I take it you never went beyond making a toast, if that?

  37. Peter the old fossil

    For diversity & inclusion I prefer my glockenspiels to be ambidextrous

    Personally I favour the model with the extended keyboard – so I can play duets with Les yeux noirs.

  38. Top Ender

    Will check out Precision Aerospace and Greg’s Airplanes more – ta.

    We have a Zero up here in a museum – one can get up close and touch it. Mostly wrecked as was crash landed on Melville Island. Plenty left for lady jewellery….

    The museum is of course closed because people wandering around in museums as they have time off is dangerous.

  39. Dr Faustus

    Intentionally incomplete: US intelligence says China concealed extent of outbreak

    Washington: China has concealed the extent of its coronavirus outbreak, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it has suffered from the disease, the US intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three US officials.

    Surely not.
    A price to be paid.

  40. Armadillo

    I take it you never went beyond making a toast, if that?

    I have a wife.

  41. Armadillo

    I was required to make a toast at the wedding.

  42. Mark A

    Armadillo
    #3389866, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:30 pm

    I take it you never went beyond making a toast, if that?

    I have a wife.

    So do I but she can’t cook to save her life.

  43. Ellie

    Hello, darling Peter. Is it time for a song? Okay.

  44. calli

    I have a wife.

    The Beloved says, “why have a dog and bark too?”.

    He likes to live dangerously.

  45. Steve trickler

    Lyrics paint the picture.



  46. Rex Mango

    TE, P47 a great aircraft. Republic best aircraft maker ever. The old saying was, no matter how long a runway you build, Republic will make an aircraft that requires every inch of it.

  47. Mater

    Interesting re the Thunderbolt, Zulu. Military Factory reckon:

    TE,
    Can’t remember the show, but I recently watched a doco which interviewed some US WW2 pilots.
    Asked which plane they liked best, the Thunderbolt was it. Fast, indestructible, heavily armed (8 x .50 cal) and armour protection for the pilot.

    I’m a Spitfire and Beaufighter fan myself.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #3389830, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    Ok. It’s official. I’ve changed my tune.
    This lockdown MUST last for at least the next two months.
    I’ve just cut my own hair.

    From experience, it takes about twenty attempts with clippers to self-administer a #1 or #2 without it looking like a 747 has ploughed into a pine forest and exploded.

  49. Rex Mango

    Now onto climax (excuse the pun) of Revelation & talking to Bernie who rides motorbikes round Ballarat. First mention of Pell by Ferguson, Bernie bursts into tears. Cut to Pell being sworn in during Royal Commission. Dramatic Opening & now in Rome with lots of shots of clergy, the Pope etc. Then American dude in Rome explains how the real issue is the property of the church. All cards on table in first five minutes.

  50. Tel

    For the people who get all hand wringing over the cruise liners that cannot dock in Australia … China locks up an entire province.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-china-county/chinese-county-says-in-lockdown-after-coronavirus-cases-idUKKBN21J664

    No one can travel out of Jia county without proper authorisation, the county, which has a population of about 600,000, said in a post on its social media account. Additionally, residents are not allowed to leave their homes for work unless they have clearance to do so.

    So it’s starting right up again.

    It occurred to me while taking a sneaky walk in the rain that might be legal depending on who you talk to … these public health people bestowing themselves “emergency” powers are the mall cops of the medical industry.

  51. Peter the old fossil

    Modern Monetary Theory & Universal Basic Income.

    I have no idea about MMT except that if Economists have a theory about anything it’s invariably wrong. (See how brave I can be when the Doomlord isn’t around).

    Universal Basic Income sounds like a socialist’s wet dream –
    except as technology replaces humans sooner or later we’re going to have to come up with something different to what we have today.

  52. Rex Mango

    Aussie Archbishop Mark Coleridge is hanging with Sarah Ferguson in Rome doing coffee. Again, who is advising him to do an ABC show like this?

  53. Rex Mango

    Sarah now chatting with Archbishop of Malta who is heading up Vatican committee on clerical abuse. She’s very good at doing the listening face. Fergo towers over him.

  54. Peter the old fossil

    Good evening Lovely Lady.
    Wonderful to have you on board.

  55. Chris

    Aussie Archbishop Mark Coleridge is hanging with Sarah Ferguson in Rome doing coffee. Again, who is advising him to do an ABC show like this?

    With any luck the barefoot guy in the cassock from that Dan Brown novel is lurking nearby with a silencer or a poniard.

  56. Old School Conservative

    Can you request a funeral at sea?

    JC, the answer from Mark A is more up to date than my 20-year-old research into this but at that time the answer was yes.
    Subject of course to specific conditions like distance out to sea and technique of delivery to Davy Jones’ Locker.

  57. Mater

    SCOMO on ACA. Two takeaways.

    1. This is the new normal for at least 6 months.

    2. Asked about how we are going to pay for it, he said he is emotional because he had once hoped that his children would never have to go through a depression, like his Grandmother had.

    Ok. We are on a speeding train with no brakes…but we’re all on it together.
    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve.

  58. egg_

    these public health people bestowing themselves “emergency” powers are the mall cops of the medical industry.

    SloMo being the head Mall Cop in Chief

  59. Chris

    Les yeux noirs?
    Domestic violence!

  60. Rex Mango

    Show Pell’s Vic police interview in Rome, then cut to Pell on his knee kissing the Pope’s ring. Now David Marr offering his opinion on Pell, basically saying Pell hated homos & was a dinosaur. No conflict of interest here.

  61. Steve trickler

    And on a brighter note. 😊



  62. Rickw:

    I think having the correct type of wad is going to be key. You’re going to get a spray of body parts rather than a graceful corpse arc if you don’t get it right. Big problem if the mourners are sensitive and / or the wind is blowing the wrong way.

    I think a corpsicle round would solve that problem – freeze the miscreant/loved one into the correct shape/calibre. I think the Russians have a couple of the 400mm guns they got at the Wehrmacht Fire Sale of ’45, for the larger loved one.
    Perhaps a delayed fuse in the now defunct rectum could allow a stunning night display.

  63. egg_

    How’s Grig’s schadenboner after a fortnight of pandemic hysteria?

  64. Pedro the Loafer

    Travel between WA’s Kimberley regions of Broome, Halls Creek, East and West Kimberley has been banned effective immediately.

    There are about 35000 residents in the Kimberley, and 60% are aboriginal, many who live in or near the major towns, but frequently travel widely across the region for cultural or family reasons.

    Five “health workers” have been confirmed to have the China virus, and nobody is saying whether these are indigs or otherwise, nor whether they have had any contact with aboriginal people.

    If this gets loose in the aboriginal communities it will spread like wildfire with dire results. Many of the remote communities have little or no concept of what a virus is, much less how to follow the vital social distancing or personal hygiene directives to limit contagion.

    A lot of the non aboriginal residents in the Kimberley are bunkering down, closing businesses and pulling kids from school. They can’t leave, so no other options available now.

  65. Anzac day is when you say, enough is enough.

    Opening all the pubs and restaurants in defiance would be the icing on the top of the cake. Can you imagine the optics of the coppers / military trying to shut down pubs full of vets and families on Anzac Day? They wouldn’t have the (wo)manpower to manage it anyway.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good doco on the Battle of Midway – the presenter, Craig Symonds, wrote one of the best accounts of that battle.

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    The NRL’s prime lactator Todd Greenberg want to restart the season on 1 July.

    By then they might have a decent promo clip, instead of the one with tubby indig blokes waving stuff.

  68. Armadillo

    Good evening Lovely Lady.
    Wonderful to have you on board.

    Are you pair interested in a “Love Boat” cruise by any chance?

  69. Old School Conservative

    Any other TV watchers more interested in the talk show Skype guests’ backgrounds than what they are saying?
    Checking out what books are in their bookcase is my isolation breaker.

  70. egg_

    This is the new normal for at least 6 months.

    Bonkers
    Clueless
    All the above

  71. Chris

    It takes a big firing party to dispose of a friend’s ashes by firing them out of muskets. We dozen were at it for a longish time, quite a number of volleys.

    It was much better using the cannon next time. Gone in one.

  72. MatrixTransform

    why the hell would you bake a bean when you can just eat the fucking thing

    beans == poison

  73. Keith Forwheels

    Peter the old fossil
    #3389882, posted on April 2, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Thanks Peter, one last question please, if you would indulge me. What do you anticipate Australia will look like by the end of 2020? Understanding that is a broad question, perhaps 5 to 10 key features you would anticipate and what you would consider for planning purposes, based on your roadmap for how this will unfold from here. If this is more than you are able or willing to share I understand completely. Appreciate your thoughts.

  74. Peter the old fossil

    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve.

    That’s because he has no choice – he is operating under orders.
    No, I don’t know who or what is calling the tune, but ScoMo i just the increasingly reluctant messenger boy.

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Are you pair interested in a “Love Boat” cruise by any chance?’

    Don’t go to Guatemala.

    The authorities there are a bit more savvy than ours, and won’t let you in.

    Apparently.

  76. Hay Stockard

    Well,I have the money ingredients. Now how does one cook the,sauce for spaghetti Nutella.

  77. Ellie

    Are you pair interested in a “Love Boat” cruise by any chance?

    I have never been on a cruise. Never been interested. I don’t get it.

  78. Ed Case

    I

    f this gets loose in the aboriginal communities it will spread like wildfire with dire results. Many of the remote communities have little or no concept of what a virus is, much less how to follow the vital social distancing or personal hygiene directives to limit contagion.

    They’ve got a history of eating anything, including bats, so perhaps it’s endemic and always has been, just no one ever tested them for it before.
    A bit like the Hole in the Ozone, it was always there, no one ever went looking until they did.

  79. Mitch M.

    I think you need to throw in one Russian fighter

    Do that. There is even one that look suspiciously like the Spitfire.

    Zero

    Great at the start of the war, out of date by 1943.

    The Bearcat was introduced very late into the war so technically it was the best fighter of WW2. I’d end the article with that because the Bearcat and the Hawker Sea Fury(not sure if in WW2 but was in Korean war) are regarded as the pinnacles of single piston engine fighter design.

    Don’t forget about the twin engine Lightning. Very long range, great payload.

    Kittyhawk
    Spitfire
    Hurricane

    Kittyhawk. Underpowered, never developed enough.
    Spitfire: limited range, poor weapon platform. It was a brilliant interceptor but that’s all it was.
    Hurricane: more a stock fighter than top of the range.

    You should include the Thunderbolt. The Jug was incredibly tough and a very good for ground attack.

    If you can for novelty value try and dig up info on the German Dornier push pull fighter. It never saw action but demonstrated great promise.

  80. Rex Mango

    Fergo hanging with Viv Waller, the Kid’s lawyer on day of Pell’s sentencing now & then Waller out front of court reading her client’s statement and then the voice over explains how how Bernie was key witness in the trial to take place after the first. Bernie an emotional wreck, who every mention & recollection of the name Pell he breaks down. Bernie explains how when the cops phoned him up he was in tears. Bernie as believable as a Home & Away actor.

  81. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How’s Grig’s schadenboner after a fortnight of pandemic hysteria?

    fully sick mate

  82. Rex Mango

    Fergo driving Bernie around Ballarat & drive past church, Fergo says ‘That’s where Pell lived?’ He replies with a smirk, ‘I don’t know where he lived, he always came to me.’ Very different from the emotional sequences earlier where he kept breaking down.

  83. candy

    Lyrics paint the picture.

    A very mournful song Steve, musically nice though, enjoyable.

  84. Bron

    Victorians being lectured like kindergarten children.

    “Unfortunately, this means no fishing, no hunting, no boating, no camping, and no golf,” Professor Sutton said.

    “These restrictions are tough, but they are there for a reason.

    “If we don’t do this, Victorians will die. No round of golf or gym session with your mate is worth that cost.”

    This is beyond outrageous. Pure lies. Does anybody believe this nonsense? When are Aussies going to push back?

  85. Peter the old fossil

    Are you pair interested in a “Love Boat” cruise by any chance?

    We’re just good friends Dillo – purely platonic.
    Unfortunately.

  86. Ellie

    I think it is the woman in the family that insists on the cruise. Weird. Floating on the sea when you can do all that is available on board in a more private setting.

  87. Nob

    Peter Old Fossil –

    I like this version:

    http://youtu.be/xmCLKDGSnp0

  88. Ellie

    Cruising is a luxurious wank.

  89. calli

    Not as wanky as endless commenting on it.

  90. Geriatric Mayfly

    Rex M. Please go on. NO! Stop. It’s a serious issue, and you are reporting parody.

  91. JC

    Why not Japan. Maybe it’s the use of masks.

    Japan and other mysteries

    Japan should be having a terrible time right now. They were one of the first countries to get coronavirus cases, around the same time as South Korea and Italy. And their response has been somewhere between terrible and nonexistent. A friend living in Japan says that “Japan has the worst coronavirus response in the world (the USA is second worst)”, and gets backup from commenters, including a photo of still-packed rush hour trains. Japan is super-dense and full of old people, so at this point the living should envy the dead.

    But actually their case number has barely budged over the past month. It was 200 a month ago. Now it’s 1300. This is the most successful coronavirus containment by any major country’s, much better than even South Korea’s, and it was all done with zero effort.

    The obvious conclusion is that Japan just isn’t testing anyone. This turns out to be true – they were hoping that if they made themselves look virus-free, the world would still let them hold the Tokyo Olympics this summer.

    But at this point, it should be beyond their ability to cover up. We should be getting the same horrifying stories of overflowing hospitals and convoys of coffins that we hear out of Italy. Japanese cities should be defying the national government’s orders and going into total lockdowns. Since none of this is happening, it looks like Japan really is almost virus-free. The Japan Times is as confused about this as I am.

    Some people have gestured at the Japanese being an unusually clean and law-abiding people. Maybe the government has just sort of subtly communicated “don’t do anything that will mess up our Olympics chances” and everyone has been really good at not touching their face. Maybe widespread use of face masks is much much more important than anyone has previously believed. I don’t know.

    One way this should affect us Westerners is by making us worried that an Asian-style containment strategy wouldn’t work here. The evidence in favor of such a strategy is that it worked in a bunch of Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore. But if there’s something about wealthy orderly mask-wearing Asian societies that makes them mysteriously immune to the pandemic, maybe their containment strategies aren’t really that impressive. Maybe they just needed a little bit of containment to tip them over the edge. I don’t know, things sure seemed bad in South Korea a few weeks ago (and in Wuhan). I am so boggled by this that I don’t know what to think.

    Also, what about Iran? The reports sounded basically apocalyptic a few weeks ago. They stubbornly refused to institute any lockdowns or stop kissing their sacred shrines. Now they have fewer cases than Spain, Germany, or the US. A quick look at the data confirms that their doubling time is now 11 days, compared to six days in Italy and four in the US. Again, I have no explanation.

  92. Ellie

    Calli – I have only just posted. I want to put my fingers down my throat. I wish they would just torpedo the fuckers!

  93. Rex Mango

    Fergo has tracked down a few blokes who went to Sisters of Nazerath Boys Home with Bernie, which was orphanage/boarding house run by nuns. So far all seem knockabout guys, one drinking in the pub, one has a pentagram tattoo in the middle of his forehead. Bernie now doing very animated interview about Pell, where his hands move, eyes flash & smiling. None of the tears from earlier & comes across as master manipulator.

  94. Peter the old fossil

    Thanks Peter, one last question please, if you would indulge me. What do you anticipate Australia will look like by the end of 2020?

    Can’t answer that. I made a deal not to discuss my “stupid, bat-shit crazy” beliefs of what is actually going down. Then in three months – July 1 – I have agreed to return so those who have pointed out the error of my ways can take turns rubbishing me.

    I’m can be a bit of a masochist sometimes.

  95. Siltstone

    Are not our Indigenous bretheren in Victoria allowed to hunt? Can they still grow crops and live in villages of over 1000?

  96. egg_

    Asked about how we are going to pay for it, he said he is emotional because he had once hoped that his children would never have to go through a depression, like his Grandmother had.

    Another Recession we had to have, SloMo?

  97. Rex Mango

    Fergo reckons they have found five witnesses who reckon Pell went to the home, despite denials by the staff that he visited. Two of them remember Pell being in the outdoor pool. Peter Clarke reckons Pell abused him in the pool.

  98. Pedro the Loafer:

    If this gets loose in the aboriginal communities it will spread like wildfire with dire results. Many of the remote communities have little or no concept of what a virus is, much less how to follow the vital social distancing or personal hygiene directives to limit contagion.

    It will only become a problem if the mull runs out and all they can get is meth.

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘master manipulator’

    Probably learned the craft during his 18 orphanage years.

  100. dover_beach

    one has a pentagram tattoo in the middle of his forehead

    Truth in advertising.

  101. cohenite

    Can you request a funeral at sea? Is there any law that says you can’t get dumped in the ocean when you’ve croaked?

    That would be a waste head prefect; your body parts would be too valuable. Why I reckon just your false teeth alone would bring a $100k. Your testicles would be priceless. The chunks would snap them up as aphrodisiacs.

  102. Mark A

    Ellie
    #3389924, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    I think it is the woman in the family that insists on the cruise. Weird. Floating on the sea when you can do all that is available on board in a more private setting.

    I thought it was callie who said, she would withdraw to a sunny spot and read a book.
    With her home ground being the size it is I think there may be a few nice spots to do that.

    Still there must be a few other compelling reason for her to go on a cruise.
    Don’t knock it unless you tried it.

    Never tried but have a vivid imagination, like there is no footpath off the blooming thing for one.

  103. shatterzzz

    And here’s one to while away an evening for anyone who enjoyed MASH .. a 2020 version set in an American/UN medical unit base in Afghanistan .. bit more serious, flowing, story-line than MASH but infused with the the comedy side .. well made, good acting keeps it moving along …
    68 WHISKEY season one … well worth watching ..

  104. feelthebern

    It included a very short segment with ACT Liberals leader Alister Coe announcing that an Assembly Committee was being set up to ensure that the ACT government’s response to the crisis was ‘evidence based’.

    Evidence ?
    Why start now?

  105. Geriatric Mayfly

    Apart from the 18 years in the orphanage, do we have a CV for this Clarke chap?

  106. Leigh Lowe

    Rex Mango

    #3389931, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Fergo has tracked down a few blokes who went to Sisters of Nazerath Boys Home with Bernie

    This is stage 2.
    Bernie’s failed attempt to stitch up Pell in a criminal trial which fell at the first hurdle.
    We are now going to go for compo in civil proceedings.
    The ABC modus operandi remains the same though.
    Poison the wells with potential jurors beforehand.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If this gets loose in the aboriginal communities it will spread like wildfire with dire results. Many of the remote communities have little or no concept of what a virus is, much less how to follow the vital social distancing or personal hygiene directives to limit contagion.

    Spanish influenza took up to 50% of lives in some Aboriginal communities – they were declared “places of sickness” and no-one’s lived there since.

  108. Cassie of Sydney

    “dover_beach
    #3389938, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:13 pm
    one has a pentagram tattoo in the middle of his forehead

    Truth in advertising.”

    Yep.

  109. feelthebern

    This free childcare looks like an abortion too.

  110. candy

    Asked about how we are going to pay for it, he said he is emotional because he had once hoped that his children would never have to go through a depression, like his Grandmother had.

    ScoMo seems adrift. I think if he could get masks to everyone and gloves he would have more room to move.
    Even if the masks were only 50% effective, that is fantastic.

    where are the masks, the gloves, the sanitiser solutions, to give people confidence.

  111. dover_beach

    Rex, sounds like Bernie hatched this story in a pub.

  112. Shy Ted

    Five “health workers” have been confirmed to have the China virus, and nobody is saying whether these are indigs or otherwise, nor whether they have had any contact with aboriginal people.
    If this gets loose in the aboriginal communities it will spread like wildfire with dire results. Many of the remote communities have little or no concept of what a virus is, much less how to follow the vital social distancing or personal hygiene directives to limit contagion.

    Happy to accept your opinion but I disagree. Spend any time in these places and you see almost suicidal lifestyles but few deaths. Drink, smoke, fight as much as you want but these blighters continue on in their dysfunctional ways and should drop dead all over the place but they don’t. These are not the frail, elderly at death’ door who are the ones dying from Cov19, these are the people pushing unhealthy living to it’ limits and showing how far things can go before western health care saves the day. A few “old” and frail will die but AbJoe AbBlow will be around to do it all again next year. The premature Abkids will stay in the state’ best hospitals a bit longer than is usual and be all the healthier for it and better able to resist the viral and bacterial world out there when they are discharged.
    One of us will be right, one of us will be wrong. Happy to stand corrected but in my many years out bush I was never less than astonished how much punishment the human body can take.

  113. feelthebern

    I can confirm that I am not the Bernie in the ABC hatchet job.

  114. Steve trickler

    I missed out on this one. Channel 9 could not afford the TV rights from memory. 1995.

    You don’t see introductions to motor racing events like this anymore. Paul Page at his finest.



  115. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Scott Morrison is on with Tracey Spicer, who seems to be treating him with some respect, as she should.

    I am well aware it is unfashionable here to compliment John Howard, who was in the chair during the most prosperous decade of my adult life – ooops, Scott Morrison however he is doing a way better job than any of the glitterati here is capable. I have no time for the Liberal Branch of the Labor Party but I prefer this bloke to Comrade Albosleazy’s brand of illiterate incompetence.

    He is inexperienced in such demanding circumstances and so is everyone else – they are all experts though.

    The reaction to government is flat out snark – if I were to read every internet expert’s opinion I warrant I’ll not see a single “well done” and a dozen contradictory versions of the only correct opinion. Younger posters are focused on the irresponsible denial of their personal inheritance inherent in the determination of the elderly to stay alive, as they simultaneously lobby hard for taxpayers to give them a double dose of subsidy to pay child minding centres to babysit their brats.

    I wonder if the 17 year olds had a similar self absorbed attitude as their fathers marched off to war in 1939?

    Yesterday the poor Australian whingers who have to endure staying at home in their ritzy apartment for a whole couple of months – oh, the horror – were offended and deeply hurt by five police cars which drove around Rushcutters Bay Park telling them to observe the no close crowding regulations. They were there for a whole 10 minutes, booked no-one and left.

    At the same time in Surfers Paradise police took multiple calls from dobbers demanding they attend a barbeque at a hotel poolside attended by a half dozen 20 somethings.

    To whom should the Prime Minister pay most attention? The Australian whingers or the Australian whingers?

    Does the mob prefer the leadership of Zali Steggles chook, more meat and lots of fat? Then they’d have something to moan about!

  116. Rex Mango

    David Marr now doing Pell bio of his days at St Patrick’s school, rowing, playing football & being Poo-bah in the Mikado & then Fergo takes over when he enters the seminary, goes to Rome etc. This all done in the most patronising fashion & oozing old school sectarianism.

  117. dover_beach

    Bern, I will call the albino and tell him to stand down. You dodged a bullet.

  118. calli

    Sorry, Ellie. That was unfair of me.

  119. Mark A

    Wanky commenting on cruises?

    Did someone mention cruises here lately? Or passengers thereof?
    I must have missed it.

    Mea culpa.

  120. Ellie

    Don’t knock it unless you tried it.

    MarkA – can we please apply that to other things?

  121. feelthebern

    The government has wasted time on a policy (job keeper) that sounds good but will not deliver what it says it will.
    This free child care policy also looks to be a feel good sounding policy, but again will have to undergo changes on the run.

    Why not do the simple rent subsidies policies for resi & small business that’s been on the stove now for almost two weeks?

  122. Ellie

    You ok, Calli? I didn’t pick up on unfairness. All good, mate.

  123. feelthebern

    DB, that me laugh heartily.

  124. Infidel Tiger

    Job Keeper is a fucking disaster.

    If it doesn’t get amended next week I can guarantee it won’t assist anyone but those with dodgy books.

  125. Peter the old fossil

    Floating on the sea when you can do all that is available on board in a more private setting.

    Ellie,
    Going on the right cruise, on the right ship, with the right woman, is like having Viagra for breakfast, lunch and dinner. With double servings of Cialis for in between meal snacks. Plus midnight supper.

    Trust me on this.

  126. Old School Conservative:

    Any other TV watchers more interested in the talk show Skype guests’ backgrounds than what they are saying?
    Checking out what books are in their bookcase is my isolation breaker.

    You do that too?
    I love looking at the shit they put up and wonder “What the hell are you trying to say?”
    And “What do you think a random collection of flowers/clocks/musical instruments say about you?”

    Mind you, my collection of Pirelli Calenders and model tanks/aircraft/chain saws and flamethrowers set me aside as a man not to be trifled with.
    I had to remove the picture of The Village People because someone asked a question of me which is obvious now, but wasn’t then, IYKWIM. No names, of course – my secret.

  127. Mitch M.

    Humanity’s Origin Story Just Got More Complicated

    As anticipated there was a wide range of different near modern human species kicking about for hundreds of thousands of years. We were better at killing than the others.

  128. feelthebern

    You’re kind of right Tiger King.
    If you have a lumpy invoice cycle over the 12 months, you might naturally benefit.
    The idiots in the public service think revenue drops in equally over a 12 month period.

  129. Chris:

    It takes a big firing party to dispose of a friend’s ashes by firing them out of muskets. We dozen were at it for a longish time, quite a number of volleys.
    It was much better using the cannon next time. Gone in one.

    Yes, but what penetration did you get with the muskets against a glacier?
    Did it speed up/slow down/calve?
    Bet the cannon was more showy – people pay extra for that shit, I believe.

  130. Bar Beach Swimmer

    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve

    Mater, one particular personality trait that Morrison has and which fits your point is that he is very stubborn.

    Especially when he’s decisions are being put under scrutiny and he’s questioned on them, he doubles down and only changes tack when his position is shown to be untenable.

    And that statement about his children doesn’t help the country. The position he holds is not to take into consideration the future of his children, which is his personal responsibility as their father. As PM he should making decisions for us all.

    And because he has put all on the bet, that stubbornness will not enable him to walk back. We can only hope that that medicine in the USA brings in such strong results that out govt cannot refute the evidence. Or that someone in a high up cabinet position proffers good advice – though not likely. Otherwise we’re on a highway to hell.

  131. Arky

    Oh great.
    This is just great. Apparently we’ve all been getting killed off by some fucking stupid chinese chicks playing virologists, when they should have been at home raising kids.
    Good onya Laowhy86, I wish my language skills were good enough to track this shit down.
    Fucking:
    ..


  132. feelthebern

    Just turned on the TV.
    PM pops up…something like “at some stage this will all have to be paid for”.
    It was a real laugh out loud moment.

  133. egg_

    This is the new normal for at least 6 months.
    Depression

    In 6 months we’ll see the worst in human nature – Calli’s business undercut by sh1tholers prepared to do/bribe whatever it takes… Facebook snowflakes with no jobs to go back to after the Government allowance wains.
    It will take years to recover – Depression, indeed.

  134. candy

    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve

    He will turn as soon as people get demonstrably fed up with being locked in, and the deaths from the virus are still low and it turns out we not Italy after all.

  135. Rex Mango

    “It was the first of many sexual allegations in, or around water, the ocean, or showers.” Sue Van Gerrevink reckons her husband (now deceased) spotted Pell picking boys up by their bottoms & he told her & she made statement to Sano Task Force (which is decades later). She the most believable witness so far, but second hand evidence in sea of innuendo. Now onto the blokes on 7.30 Report, being coached through their statements. Bernie now making more allegations. He seems to be able to turn emotions on, or off on a dime, depending what needed.

  136. Boambee John

    Big problem if the mourners are sensitive and / or the wind is blowing the wrong way.

    Alleged to have been a distribution of ashes at sea for a senior naval officer many years ago.

    Firing party drawn up on the quarterdeck, grieving widow standing at the rails, urn in hand, band playing solemn music after the formal part of the ceremony ended.

    As the widow stepped forward to upend the urn over the side, and the firing party was about to fire the first volley, the nearby helicopter with the cameraman recording the event for posterity moved to get a better angle. The downdraft distributed the ashes liberally across all present.

    Allegedly!

  137. Crossie

    Ok. We are on a speeding train with no brakes…but we’re all on it together.
    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve.

    I giving him to the end of May before he gets rolled.

  138. Fat Tony

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3389954, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Does the mob prefer the leadership….

    Mick – I’m not trying to be a smart-arse, but where is this “leadership” of which you speak??

  139. Shy Ted

    Don’t pay your rates. Don’t pay your car rego. Don’t pay a speeding fine. Any bill from the gummint, don’t pay it. Gummint can’t survive without your money. You’re stuck at home so you don’t need roads. The rubbish will sort itself out. Take it to a gummint reserve and burn it if it comes to it. Tell them you have no money if they want to push the matter. All politics is local. You can’t chat with ScuMo, you local member or Premiers because that’s how it’s designed but when local gummint can’t pay their staff there’s going to be a very quick response. They can’t get you all. They can’t prosecute you all. They can’t convict you all. They can’t jail you all. Local council could easily continue with a massive revenue reduction.

  140. Rex Mango

    Father Eric Bryant now saying he reckons George set up. Again, why is he doing an interview with ABC? His interview, as shown lasted about 30 seconds.

  141. egg_

    I am well aware it is unfashionable here to compliment John Howard, who was in the chair during the most prosperous decade of my adult life

    Howard would not have:
    A. Blinked so easily at the Medico Nazis
    B. Tried to be popular
    A far better “Wartime PM”.

  142. feelthebern

    For ScoMo to be rolled, there needs to be a replacement in waiting.
    There isn’t one.
    ScoMo is will ride this flaming turd into the ground.

  143. Fat Tony

    Crossie
    #3389976, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:31 pm
    Ok. We are on a speeding train with no brakes…but we’re all on it together.
    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve.

    I giving him to the end of May before he gets rolled.

    Yeah – or lynched

  144. Crossie

    Rex Mango
    #3389955, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:19 pm
    David Marr now doing Pell bio of his days at St Patrick’s school, rowing, playing football & being Poo-bah in the Mikado & then Fergo takes over when he enters the seminary, goes to Rome etc. This all done in the most patronising fashion & oozing old school sectarianism.

    Plagiarising The Thorn Birds to some extent.

  145. Ellie

    Ellie,
    Going on the right cruise, on the right ship, with the right woman, is like having Viagra for breakfast, lunch and dinner. With double servings of Cialis for in between meal snacks. Plus midnight supper.

    Trust me on this.

    You don’t need to hop on a boat with strangers to enjoy all that. We are surrounded by people at work etc. Why surround yourself with strangers on a boat, where there is no escape. I don’t see the romance. I see a lot of opportunity for “mixing” with other desperados looking for what they’re relationship is missing. And all in a festering, floating “love boat”.

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    “Crossie
    #3389976, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:31 pm
    Ok. We are on a speeding train with no brakes…but we’re all on it together.
    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve.

    I giving him to the end of May before he gets rolled.”

    Morrison is not going to be rolled…will not happen.

  147. Pedro the Loafer

    All the .gov bans in the world will not stop the sly groggers and ganja merchants from keeping up supplies to remote aboriginal communities in WA.

    They have a logistics system and delivery network across remote Australia that would put Lynfox to shame.
    More than a few mules are “grey nomads” who don’t mind picking up a wad of cash and expenses to deliver a few slabs, goon bags or a tinfoil wrapped package or two to a GPS location for a dropoff.

  148. Cassie of Sydney

    “or lynched”

    Now lynching I can see.

  149. vlad

    Opinions differ on what the timing means re the HCA judgment. Jeremy Gans is sitting on the fence, which is probably fair enough, in saying that it’s neither very fast nor very slow for them to have returned.

    Certainly he doesn’t think it’s automatic that if they were going to free him they would have done so already. He says that depends on a lot of other things, including whether it’s unanimous.

    So if it’s 4-3 (which I expect) it might be that they are going to free him. Time will tell.

    The hearing itself will take one minute.

  150. Crossie

    feelthebern
    #3389982, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    For ScoMo to be rolled, there needs to be a replacement in waiting.
    There isn’t one.
    ScoMo is will ride this flaming turd into the ground.

    Oh yes there is, Josh Freydenberg.

  151. Cassie of Sydney

    “vlad
    #3389990, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:35 pm”

    I fear the worst.

  152. egg_

    The Bearcat was introduced very late into the war so technically it was the best fighter of WW2. I’d end the article with that because the Bearcat and the Hawker Sea Fury(not sure if in WW2 but was in Korean war) are regarded as the pinnacles of single piston engine fighter design.

    +1

    ‘Cat man here.

  153. Fat Tony

    Shy Ted
    #3389979, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    …..Local council could easily continue with a massive revenue reduction.

    Easily if they drop all the SJWankery, PC & and all the other crap they’ve branched out on over the years.
    What was it – roads, rubbish, water, sewerage, basic parks……

  154. Rex Mango

    David Marr reckons Ballarat’s St Alipious in early 70’s was most dangerous place for children in Australia. Viv Waller agrees. Cut to Gerald Risdale giving evidence to Royal Commission from gaol. Fergo now beoming most sanctimonious about Risdale & interviewing his sister. Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

  155. Tel

    To whom should the Prime Minister pay most attention? The Australian whingers or the Australian whingers?

    Sure Mick, just name the one thing that you think the PM has done an excellent job of to help deal with the virus … coming across pretty well on an interview does not count, something genuine.

  156. Cassie of Sydney

    “Rex Mango
    #3389995, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:37 pm”

    You have a strong stomach RM.

  157. Crossie

    Opinions differ on what the timing means re the HCA judgment. Jeremy Gans is sitting on the fence, which is probably fair enough, in saying that it’s neither very fast nor very slow for them to have returned.

    Certainly he doesn’t think it’s automatic that if they were going to free him they would have done so already.

    That’s what I think, they will uphold the Appeals Court.

  158. Mitch M:

    If you can for novelty value try and dig up info on the German Dornier push pull fighter. It never saw action but demonstrated great promise.

    Still had some problems with rear engine cooling, but yes, good potential considering the metallurgical issues with the ME 262 engines.
    A nice picture of the Arrow, but notice the Arado 234 behind it. Can’t make out the third aircraft, but the wing silhouette is nagging at me.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Calli, thanks for recognising that as we were in transit I didn’t see one silly old doctor going right off. It doesn’t change my general position though. I think these people paid their own way back in the end, via the Falklands?

    My main view is that we have totally mismanaged home isolation, which for the majority of arrivals would have been the best solution. Being hauled off to a spartan quarantine camp if one broke quarantine would have provided sufficient disincentive. This whole arrivals process has been so reactive and ad hoc, it has been a planning disgrace.

    Helen, I can understand your concern with precedent. But people with passports can be landed and soon shipped out. Our tourist industry demonstrates that. The word ‘refugee’ doesn’t come into it. We have many temporary visitors.

    Anyhoo I am off to bed now.

    Arky, you have some loony ideas, but I still like you. 🙂

  160. Peter the old fossil

    PM pops up…something like “at some stage this will all have to be paid for”.

    He already knows how it is going to be paid for.
    It’s called “superannuation” and there is + $ three trillion available.

    Well, somebody has to protect and maintain the banks’ profits during a depression.
    And you’re it.

  161. Tel

    This man is not for turning, regardless of the curve

    The guy who walked into Parliament with a lump of coal on his hand and then won’t leave the Paris Agreement … that guy not for turning?!?

    Out of convenience to everyone, tell me which way he is actually facing then.

  162. Rex Mango

    Now show footage of Pell accompanying Risdale to court. Fergo: “This act of solidarity captured by alert cameramen would bind the two men together in news archives forever.” Very solid evidence right there, being photographed next to a criminal. This part of the show is not about Pell being an abuser, but rather covering up for other abusers.

  163. egg_

    he doubles down and only changes tack when his position is shown to be untenable.

    Typical Leftoid behaviour.

  164. Crossie

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Even if true I didn’t know it was a jailable offence.

  165. Armadillo

    he said he is emotional because he had once hoped that his children would never have to go through a depression

    Someone should educate Scomo as to the causes of the Great Depression.

    He should then look his children in the eyes and “fess up” to what he’s done. Yes kids, Daddy caused it this time around.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Arrogant, aloof, not keen on pooves.
    Point me to the sections of the Crimes Act dealing with that.
    What a shit-show.
    No-one with the name Ridsdale should dare stick their fucking head up as long as they live.

  167. vlad

    That’s what I think, they will uphold the Appeals Court.

    The situation is reminiscent of the “unexpected hanging paradox”.

    At the end of the day we just don’t know what’s going to happen. And that’s all we know.

  168. Crossie

    Peter the old fossil
    #3390002, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:40 pm
    PM pops up…something like “at some stage this will all have to be paid for”.

    He already knows how it is going to be paid for.
    It’s called “superannuation” and there is + $ three trillion available.

    You mean what’s left of it after the stock market has whittled most of it away?

  169. Fat Tony

    Pell Certainly he doesn’t think it’s automatic that if they were going to free him they would have done so already.

    There is the chance, given the hysteria their ABC has whipped up, if the Cardinal was freed prior to the announcement, someone would take it on themselves to physically attack him. In their mind, a convicted peterfile and only getting his due. (That’s assuming, of course, the appeal is upheld)

  170. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bernie now making more allegations. He seems to be able to turn emotions on, or off on a dime, depending what needed.

    The drink will do that. The footage has been stitched together from when Bernie is a maudlin idiot, to when he is partially recovered.

  171. Fleeced

    Morrison is not going to be rolled…will not happen.

    Agreed. It would like like someone was taking opportunity of a crisis, and nobody wants that. The only way would be if the usurper was pushing for a miracle treatment (aka #TrumpPills as Scott Adams calls them) which ScoMo opposed. Only if they frame themselves as the rescuer could they get away with it.

  172. egg_

    It’s not a good look when SloMo fronts the dais, presumably ex National Cabinet meeting, his thinning hair obviously tousled with worry – each and every time.
    /Amateur

  173. Nick

    Arrogant, aloof, not keen on pooves.

    Unfortunately, this is what the court of the everyday person has convicted him of. Sadly, people within the wider church feel the same way. Ironically, for every snarl I’ve heard about his politics, I’ve heard something decent about him.

  174. Tel

    Morrison is not going to be rolled…will not happen.

    Probably not because the Liberals already needed to scrape the bottom pretty hard to get ScoMo whose only claim to success was that he gave the order to turn back a few boats while Abbott was in charge. Not discounting that success … it was real, I gave him a “Well Done” at the time and don’t regret that now.

    Come election time we will see a serious shift of votes … that’s my prediction. They can’t win from here.

  175. Rex Mango

    Now Bishop Mulkearns in witness box at Royal Commission failing to remember stuff.

  176. dover_beach

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Amazing. Why do we never hear from people at the Richmond Football Club in late 50s? Are there no players, staff, etc. of the RFC that could provide a view of Pell, personally?

  177. Old Lefty

    The ABC is being very coy about the abandoned second trial against Pell, merely saying that the DPP dropped the charges. The reason they dropped the charges was the Justice Kidd, despite being a career prosecutor and an Andrews government appointee to the bench, had the professional integrity to disallow most of the so-called evidence tendered by the OPP (Office of Political Prostitution?) because it didn’t meet the standard for evidence in a criminal trial. Much of it, as I understand it, was hearsay.

    Is the ABC’s latest orgy of Stalinist perjure-pimpery a sign that they expect Pell to win his High Court appeal?

  178. Eyrie

    Heinkel 219 Uhu , Winston?

  179. Rex Mango

    Pell in front of Royal Commission says he was kept in the dark by Bishop Mulkearns & then Viv Waller says it’s very cynical position to just blame the dead guy. Goal posts just moved there as show went from being about Pell offending to Pell covering up for offenders.

  180. Cassie of Sydney

    “Come election time we will see a serious shift of votes … that’s my prediction. They can’t win from here.”

    I remember people were saying similar this time last year…….six weeks before an election.

  181. feelthebern

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Mother fucker.
    String him up.

  182. Crossie

    In their mind, a convicted peterfile and only getting his due.

    Peterfile? In the steps of St Peter? I like it and he probably would have been better than Francis.

  183. Fisky

    There is no such thing as “globalization”. It’s a fraud!

    Andrew A. Michta
    @andrewmichta
    #COVID19Pandemic should finally bury globalist mantras. Capital & manufacturing are not “global” or “transnational” — they very much retain national origin & can be leveraged in crisis. Just watch what the Chinese communist regime has been doing allocating supplies.

  184. vlad

    Amazing. Why do we never hear from people at the Richmond Football Club in late 50s? Are there no players, staff, etc. of the RFC that could provide a view of Pell, personally?

    They’re probably dead for the most part. If you were, say, 32 in 1959 you’re now 93.

  185. Peter the old fossil

    And all in a festering, floating “love boat”.

    I can see I’m going to have to take you on a cruise. Purely for educational purposes, of course.
    As it so happens an unexpected $38,000 turned up in my bank account this morning.

    Doing anything this Spring?

  186. feelthebern

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Breaking news.
    George Pell is actually Malcolm Turnbull in disguise.

  187. Bar Beach Swimmer

    evidence based

    Bern, that lingo goes back to Rudd and Gillard, who both used it incessantly. Since then almost all politicians insist on evidenced based decision-making. Of course, that’s just a way to deflect inquiry instead of actually making any decisions.

  188. 132andBush

    Depression says Scomo.

    I trust ALL Australian contributions to overseas bodies (UN, WHO, Every third world outhouse and anything at all to do with the climate scam) have henceforth been stopped?
    If not, why not?

  189. notafan

    Did Mrs Risdale know Cardinal Pell well?

    I can’t see that they were more than minor aquaintances.

    Cardinal Pell refused to give Risdale a reference iirc and very reluctantly accompanied him to court.

    Definitely crucifixionable behaviour.

  190. Rex Mango

    Spooky passageway shots, now, but gotta go get a refill so will miss some stuff. Bernie telling us about his confirmation. Fergo all smiles in reaction shots.

  191. vlad

    George Pell is actually Malcolm Turnbull in disguise.

    That really is defamatory.

  192. Fat Tony

    Crossie
    #3390028, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:51 pm
    In their mind, a convicted peterfile and only getting his due.

    Peterfile? In the steps of St Peter? I like it and he probably would have been better than Francis.

    I agree with you there

  193. Infidel Tiger

    Morrison has so far spent $200bn of our money saving us from a crisis he created for a problem that hasn’t arrived.

    Can’t wait for his next trick.

  194. feelthebern

    Now Bishop Mulkearns in witness box at Royal Commission failing to remember stuff.

    Keep in mind this piece of human excrement is buried what is just above an un-marked grave.
    I can see how this turd covered up the pedo’s like he did, for as long as he did, without being one himself.

  195. dover_beach

    They’re probably dead for the most part. If you were, say, 32 in 1959 you’re now 93.

    Players of the same age as Pell? Further, why has no one ever asked this of any of them in last 20 years.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    A month ago the media were upset that some sporting club in marginal electorate got a $50k cheque.

  197. Hay Stockard

    Best fighter was the Spitfire. Went through the whole war. A,few,different marks but still Spiys.

  198. Rex Mango

    Hang on, anyone see that. Key witness Bernie just said Mulkearns smirked when Pell was taking him up for a shower. So Mulkearns was not only moving offenders about, but he was an offender too. Right here can not maintain the suspense of disbelief. Sarah Ferguson, gullible is not in the dictionary.

  199. egg_

    Is the ABC’s latest orgy of Stalinist perjure-pimpery a sign that they expect Pell to win his High Court appeal?

    It was a sign of desperation dredging up 4Corners’ melodrama on the Evening National News on Aunty.

  200. Feelthebern:

    For ScoMo to be rolled, there needs to be a replacement in waiting.
    There isn’t one.
    ScoMo is will ride this flaming turd into the ground.

    Lol.
    Visions of Major Kong.

  201. dover_beach

    Risdale’s sister reckons Pell was arrogant & looked down on other people.

    Contradicted by the fact that he accompanied Ridsdale to court. No one arrogant and ambitious would have done such a man that kindness.

  202. Leigh Lowe

     This part of the show is not about Pell being an abuser, but rather covering up for other abusers.

    Ah, yes.
    Will there be “growing calls” for retrospective legislation covering the enabling of altar boy buggery or somesuch?

  203. Geriatric Mayfly

    Players of the same age as Pell? Further, why has no one ever asked this of any of them in last 20 years.

    Don’t you understand the inviolability of the narrative?

  204. Crossie

    Nick
    #3390018, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Arrogant, aloof, not keen on pooves.

    Unfortunately, this is what the court of the everyday person has convicted him of. Sadly, people within the wider church feel the same way. Ironically, for every snarl I’ve heard about his politics, I’ve heard something decent about him.

    I have not heard a thing against him at the parish level.

    As to his politics, you mean his anti-climate change stand? That was pretty public as he wrote an op-Ed in the Sunday Telegraph some fifteen years ago. I agree this made him a much bigger target which they couldn’t use against him so pedophilia had to do.

  205. Old Lefty

    I’m not a lawyer but have talked to a couple. Thus are pretty sure that the court will find at least 6-1 that the Victorian supreme court erred in its methods, especially (but not only) in its use of the video of the Kid’s evidence. The question is how the numbers will fall out between outright acquittal and remitting the case to the Victorian supreme court – i.e. sending it back with a stern injunction to do the job properly this time.

  206. Rex Mango

    Dover, that is an excellent point.

  207. JC

    Sorry, DB . That was a huge mistake. Most people aren’t Christian anymore and have no understanding how that was an act of kindness. Public perception is important.

  208. egg_

    ScoMo is will ride this flaming turd into the ground.

    Of his own making.

  209. Rex Mango

    Bernie is a chain smoker & reckons he smoked 40 night before the committal hearing & no sleep either. The way he presents infront the camera (now in tears because he doesn’t have a mum) couldn’t be called believable. 6am Bernie rang Det Chris Reed & said he was suicidal, Bernie pulled out of the committal.

  210. feelthebern

    I still wonder how Risdale Junior was able to travel to Rome considering his own peter-file convictions.

  211. dover_beach

    JC, that is precisely the point. An arrogant and ambitious man would have avoided it for precisely that reason.

  212. Crossie

    132andBush
    #3390035, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:53 pm
    Depression says Scomo.

    I trust ALL Australian contributions to overseas bodies (UN, WHO, Every third world outhouse and anything at all to do with the climate scam) have henceforth been stopped?
    If not, why not?

    WHO in particular should be defunded right away, they are shilling for China so China can fund them.

  213. Old Lefty

    From what I hear, St Alipius would have been no more dangerous that the green room of a legendary ABC yoof music show at the time – or than any of the youth programs connected with Mr Jon Stephens, or with Richard Neville, Bob Ellis etc.etc.

  214. Leigh Lowe

    Is the ABC’s latest orgy of Stalinist perjure-pimpery a sign that they expect Pell to win his High Court appeal?

    They are not only afraid he might win the appeal, they are also shit-scared that their hatchet job might be mentioned as tainting jurors.
    The decision, if a successful appeal, may also contain warnings for the meeja about how they should refer to an acquited person, so best get it out there this week.
    This is just preparing to gee-up the outrageous outrage if the appeal succeeds.

  215. feelthebern

    Did the Royal Commission ever look into The Curiosity Show?
    Those two guys looked like rolled gold pedo’s.

  216. dover_beach

    Hard to believe the ABC’s scoop was throwing such an old claim in the microwave and serving it up as a fresh meal. Scum and lees.

  217. Old Lefty

    I must confess that the behaviour of the markets sometimes defeats me. Can any of our learned economists offer a rational explanation of why the A$ should have fallen so far against the euro when Europe is, literally and metaphorically, the sick man of the planet?

  218. feelthebern

    Tell me this chap isn’t fluent in young man penis.

  219. egg_

    It’s not a good look when SloMo fronts the dais, presumably ex National Cabinet meeting, his thinning hair obviously tousled with worry – each and every time.

    Friedeggburger looked like he was sh1tting himslef over the “JobKeeper” announcement.

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    In this day and age, The Curiosity Show triggers me.

    For years I thought one of those blokes was Ian Chappell.

  221. Fisky

    Good to see more conservatives moving away from the phony neutral public squarism of the Originalist Doctrine, in favour of right-wing legislating from the the bench. Conservative judges shouldn’t even bother with precedents anymore. Just make and enforce judgments that disadvantage Leftism.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/

  222. Morrison has so far spent $200bn of our money saving us from a crisis he created for a problem that hasn’t arrived.

    Are you talking about the global warming scam or COVID?

  223. notafan

    Is Bernie the one that got all his dates wrong?

    That Wallingford chucked because the dates he claimed the offences happened he himself wasn’t in the orphanage?

    The one that added Satanism for bonus victims points?

  224. Tel

    ScoMo is will ride this flaming turd into the ground.

    Only a month ago the turd wasn’t even burning.

    Although this virus is bad, it isn’t so bad in the big picture as the extensive power grab and self inflicted damage in the process. We don’t even know what our own laws are, if there still are any laws. Our stable and predictable nation built on the old English common law has come to a final end … and there’s not a single person at any level of government who even has a clue what that means.

    The situation is like when your floor has been slowly white anted and now you put your weight on it and fell through.

  225. vlad

    Sorry, DB . That was a huge mistake. Most people aren’t Christian anymore and have no understanding how that was an act of kindness. Public perception is important.

    Not to God, it isn’t. Pell won’t regret that act of kindness on Judgment Day.

  226. Armadillo

    Arrogant, aloof, not keen on pooves.

    That could describe most Dads of the era. It was a time when kids were meant to be seen, but not heard.

  227. notafan

    You are right db

    Its a week in the fridge microwaved pie.

  228. notafan

    Public perception is zero important, quite frankly.

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Keep them as pets, or dispose of them in any way you see fit.’ – Curiosity Show bloke

    That sounds like a dare to me.

  230. Eyrie:

    Heinkel 219 Uhu

    The rear wing and rudder configurations fit the bill but I would have expected from the angle the bulbous nose and canopy would have been evident. I don’t know what the conical object which appears to be attached to the aft port fuselage is – the engine fairing doesn’t have quite the same shape.
    Dunno.

  231. Infidel Tiger

    Adrian Vermeule would be an outstanding SCOTUS pick.

  232. Crossie

    Mr Rusty
    #3390072, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:12 pm
    Morrison has so far spent $200bn of our money saving us from a crisis he created for a problem that hasn’t arrived.

    Are you talking about the global warming scam or COVID?

    Hard to tell the difference.

  233. Tel

    I trust ALL Australian contributions to overseas bodies (UN, WHO, Every third world outhouse and anything at all to do with the climate scam) have henceforth been stopped?
    If not, why not?

    I can tell you why not, because doing that would break their perfect record of doing everything wrong.

  234. Keith Forwheels

    Tel
    #3390020, posted on April 2, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    Come election time we will see a serious shift of votes … that’s my prediction. They can’t win from here.

    The country could change the PM & cabinet tomorrow and it would make no difference. Productive people need to focus their minds as to how they will choose to engage from here. As things currently stand I can’t see a way forward for the honest and hardworking. There are no good choices.

  235. cohenite

    Pell’s Appeal is the Judicial equivalent of Schrödinger’s cat.

  236. dover_beach

    Good to see more conservatives moving away from the phony neutral public squarism of the Originalist Doctrine, in favour of right-wing legislating from the the bench.

    Fisky, it really is curious how our views are converging. Vermeule is an outstanding scholar.

  237. Fisky

    To be sure, some have attempted to ground an idea of the common good on an originalist understanding, taking advantage of the natural-rights orientation of the founding era. Yet that approach leaves originalism in ultimate control, hoping that the original understanding will happen to be morally appealing. I am talking about a different, more ambitious project, one that abandons the defensive crouch of originalism and that refuses any longer to play within the terms set by legal liberalism. Ronald Dworkin, the legal scholar and philosopher, used to urge “moral readings of the Constitution.” Common-good constitutionalism is methodologically Dworkinian, but advocates a very different set of substantive moral commitments and priorities from Dworkin’s, which were of a conventionally left-liberal bent.

    Right-wingers don’t need legal theories. Just a desire to tear down Leftism no matter what the law says.

  238. rickw

    Best fighter was the Spitfire. Went through the whole war. A,few,different marks but still Spiys.

    No. Something like 12,000 man hours to build a Spit. More like 4,000 for a 109 and P-51.

  239. Fisky

    Fisky, it really is curious how our views are converging. Vermeule is an outstanding scholar.

    Remember though, the Fisk Doctrine does date back nearly a decade now!

  240. Ed Case

    A new restraint on liberties being announced daily and there’s 6 months to go?
    Plus a fearful public applying for gun licences in such numbers that the cops shut the gun shops down?
    No wonder assembly is outlawed and meeting places are shut down..

  241. JC

    notafan
    #3390079, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:15 pm
    Public perception is zero important, quite frankly.

    Okay, so why has the Catholic Church hired PR people in the past?

  242. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tel at 9:37 pm:

    ” To whom should the Prime Minister pay most attention? The Australian whingers or the Australian whingers?

    Sure Mick, just name the one thing that you think the PM has done an excellent job of ¹ to help deal with the virus … coming across pretty well on an interview² does not count, something genuine.”

    Fair suck of the sav old son! Tel, there is no point having a crack at me for things I did not state or imply.

    ¹ I didn’t say that or anything remotely like it.

    The last outstanding Prime Minister in my adult life lost his job 13 years ago because the stupid apathetic Australian electorate got bored; the other outstanding leader relinquished his 16 years before that. Bob Hawke led the most talented ministry one could see and he did it without being a member of either the right or left or any faction.

    ² I didn’t say that either.

    I wouldn’t know how he came across for the whole interview, I watched a single question and the answer.

  243. Knuckle Dragger

    The Fairey Swordfish.

  244. Crossie

    cohenite
    #3390086, posted on April 2, 2020 at 10:19 pm
    Pell’s Appeal is the Judicial equivalent of Schrödinger’s cat.

    Sadly true.

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