Friday Forum: April 3, 2020

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  1. NoFixedAddress

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3390891, posted on April 3, 2020 at 2:42 pm

    I notice on Fox News that New York authorities are now asking everyone who is out and about to wear some form of facial mask – a scarf etc – in order to stop aerosol spread, especially from the asymptomatics to others.

    We are all ANTIFA now!

  2. trying to knock it out altogether

    can’t do that with a porous border

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sounding suspiciously like claiming a result – we need to keep the pressure on.

    I thought that too. I’d like to see another two weeks of quite draconian isolations yet to try and reduce that community spread right down. Longer isolations too for the elderly.
    Then open up to business pretty much as usual. ScoMo should offer a date. Trump has.

  4. Leigh Lowe

    Taking the data from VikElf, as at yesterday we had 481 “completed” cases (for the want of a better term).
    5 deaths and 476 recoveries.
    A fatality rate of just on 1%.
    Not great, but four of the fatal cases were aged in their 70’s and one in their 80’s.
    And, no, I am dismissing those deaths as “they don’t matters”.
    I am merely saying this is where the isolation effort should be really intense, along with people with other sources of compromised immunity.
    At least two of the deaths already had cancer so, if they were on chemo or, to a lesser extent, radiation, they would be in trouble from a cold or UTI, let alone the Kung Flu.

  5. Steve trickler

    I’ve been watching for an hour and a half. Posted at 1:12 pm.

    This pops up @1:32:00.

    Check out this prick from the W>H>O.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    I can see the International Student lobby is demanding WELFARE for all foreign students in Australia. I thought these people were supposed to have enough money saved to meet their living costs before they signed up for a course???

    They should all be deported while it’s safe for them to get out.

    Believe me, when house arrest ends, they are going to cop more shade than the hydrangeas.

    Get out. locals only now.

  7. We should be putting all available resources into achieving self sufficiency (or at least non-reliance on China), before they release the next virus.

  8. Bar Beach Swimmer

    The surf life saver on duty over the PA advised everyone to move on and that the police were up on their way along the beach.

    Meant to say, those standing on the beach.

  9. Geriatric Mayfly

    Like hyperbowl, for instance. lol

    High dungeon. LOL

  10. JC

    US military doesn’t accept any nancification.

    WASHINGTON—Navy leaders have relieved the captain of a U.S. aircraft carrier after a memo to military officials in which he pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak at sea was leaked to a newspaper.

    Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, now at port in Guam, was relieved Thursday after superiors said they lost confidence in his ability to lead. The decision to remove him drew outrage from lawmakers and some relatives of crew members who backed the commander’s call for attention to the crisis.

    Capt. Crozier had written a four-page memorandum recently demanding that superiors allow him to take the carrier to the port in Guam to offload sailors stricken with Covid-19. At least 114 of the vessel’s crew have tested positive for the new coronavirus.

    “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die,” Capt. Crozier wrote in his March 30 memo, which was reported by the San Francisco Chronicle. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset—our sailors.”

    Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said he made the decision to relieve Capt. Crozier because the commander’s memo left the impression that the Navy was only responding to the outbreak due to the plea.

    “It creates the perception that the Navy is not on the job…and that is not true,” Mr. Modly said at a Pentagon news briefing Thursday.

    He added that he expected criticism for the decision. “The responsibility for this decision rests with me,” Mr. Modly said. “I expect no congratulations.”

    The decision to remove the Roosevelt commander came as a surprise to some Navy leaders, who said their focus had been getting resources to the ship, defense officials said.

  11. Perth Trader

    Interesting morning here in the west. I found out Kenworth have closed there Bayswater new truck production line down until they can find a way to put together trucks without compromising ‘social distancing’ laws. Till they can, ‘ya’ll all go home’.

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    can’t do that with a porous border

    It’s not very porous right now, and that was my point. As soon as it is even marginally opened the virus will re-enter, because not all countries are going to be successful in the way we might be in scooting it off. They haven’t got our advantages, especially in border control and in many other control measures. So this world-wide thing is with us for a while yet and we should maintain some strict border controls for some time to come. Two week isolations (with legislative teeth) at home could become the new normal for all o/s travellers for entry or re-entry. A slow herd immunity (if it even happens – CoV2 unknown re that) under well-protected conditions is the best that we can hope for. A wild rise in the curve as you and others sneeze at controls won’t do anyone any good, Les.

  13. DrBeauGan

    Chris
    #3390751, posted on April 3, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    Great article by Keith Windschuttle on G Himmelfarb writings about virtues vs. retrospectively defined ‘Victorian values’ as a tool of progressivism.

    Thanks Chris. An excellent and thought provoking article. It gives a picture of religion as founded in the moral sensibility, which may be true. But two modifications occur to me. First, the sense of awe at the beauty and wonder of the universe is also a factor. Second, for many people, the need to have some source of power to worship, and before which they wish to abase themselves is another factor. This second is vulnerable to superstition and corruption, as we see in the leftists who worship the state. There are others, as in the love of ritual.

    I am a deeply religious man in the sense of the primary meaning and also in my first amendment; but I am hostile to my second amendment.

    Any memeplex is a coalition of various memes, and I cannot buy all the memes in religion. Some are admirable, others disgust me.

  14. Old School Conservative

    Rugby Australia may have to pay out six months of Castle’s contract.

    Would that be last Monday’s $840,000 p.a. contract, or Tuesday’s $420,000 (pro rata for the next 3 months) contract?
    Just wondering if getting rid of Israel at a reported cost of $4m was one of her KPIs.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Eventually let’s hope it becomes effete like its brother, the common cold.
    A bit of a nuisance, but liveable with.

  16. Tel

    They should all be deported while it’s safe for them to get out.

    Believe me, when house arrest ends, they are going to cop more shade than the hydrangeas.

    Possibly yes, but wouldn’t that have been an excellent reason not to bring them in the first place? I mean, we are all in this together so it’s appreciated that those foreign students that took a semester off and turned up after it’s blown over have “done their bit for the team” to help out Australia. I mean, we sent them all our medical supplies, the least they could do is stay home and wait it out, huh?

  17. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “I expect no congratulations.”

    One to be filed away for re-purposing. 🙂

  18. Boambee John

    Nelson Kidd-Players
    #3390871, posted on April 3, 2020 at 2:28 pm
    In the case of the Wang, then just call them out where they add to the amusement value.

    See 3390912

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looks like the first nasty reminder of winter is welling up from sub polar climes. How will the virus cope?

  20. egg_

    *If* its a legal order and the situation demands, OK.

    If a “SWAT” retard fires a rifle into such a crowd under the current circumstances methinks it would be a lawyers’ picnic.

  21. Anne

    In 2019 the Pentagon spent $500 Million on training the Military to fight underground.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am merely saying this is where the isolation effort should be really intense, along with people with other sources of compromised immunity.

    Yes.

  23. Dr Faustus

    Whatever face mask you wear to comply with the new trend, make sure you read the small print, if it’s Chinese:

    Chinese government rejects allegations that its face masks were defective, tells countries to ‘double check’ instructions

    The statement comes as the Dutch government recalled 600,000 of the Chinese-manufactured face masks for being defective and not meeting safety standards — over half of the 1.3 million total N-95 protective masks that were delivered to the Netherlands.

    China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Thursday claimed in a tweet that the “true story” behind the alleged faulty face masks sent to the Netherlands was that the Chinese manufacturer explicitly “stated clearly that they are non-surgical.”

    So, sold as N-95, but not actually N-95, is fine providing you attach a disclaimer somewhere in the packaging.
    One belt, one road.

    Stupid Dutch; get with the program.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Southern Australia has a much harsher winter. Happy little virus clouds outdoors.
    Probably will need more indoor isolation than elsewhere?

  25. Old School Conservative

    adding a sic mid-quote is superfluous and slightly pedantic

    Nelson, The PhD Candidate added sic to a sentence of mine which he quoted. I’d made a spelling mistake. I corrected it soon after.
    So yes, the sic was superfluous, pedantic, and very, very funny because he confused two homophones in the same post.

  26. JC

    Hey Liz

    Carnival Cruise Lines was close to 72 bucks a share in 2018. Last night it closed at 8 bucks. It’s market capitalization went from ~ $50 billion back then to $5.6 billion last night. If you received those credit vouchers for some late trip, I’d ebay them quick smart if I were you. They aren’t worth the pixels. That’s called huge credit risk in business lingo.

  27. Caveman

    Shudder to think what this government is going to legislate on this commercial lease between landlord and tenant. They have already instilled 6 months rent free into the heads., I’ve got our tenant asking for rent free for however long it takes. Like wtf? I get we are all collectively fukd but everyone on the same plain doesn’t work, if you want to improve your lot.
    Does this mean all commercial leases are void?
    These are not market forces at work.

  28. old bloke

    Infidel Tiger
    #3390630, posted on April 3, 2020 at 11:04 am

    WA could be declared disease free next week now we have slammed the border shut and still we won’t reopen.

    A golden opportunity missed.

    We would create world headlines worth billions in future investment by being able to do that.

    It’s a golden opportunity which could be taken up if the state government decided to act. They should announce plans to build a nuclear generator somewhere near Collie (easy connection to the existing wires & poles), abandonment of subsidies for ruinable energy (already have the cheapest power in Aus., make that even lower), and end the lockdown.

    They could encourage Alcoa to relocate their smelters to W.A. They ship the alumina for smelting from Kwinana and Bunbury, if they did the smelting here and they would have the best energy costs and no more troubles with the MUA.

  29. egg_

    At Sydney’s Central Railway Station, armed military guards found a group of over a hundred drunken soldiers destroying a toilet block and demanded they surrender. A shot was fired by a rioting soldier over the guards’ heads and in response the guards returned fire, killing one soldier and seriously injuring eight others. This incident had a sobering effect on the soldiers and many began surrendering to police and military guards, although small bands of soldiers continued to cause damage throughout the night.

    Reality vs jism.

  30. Nelson Kidd-Players

    OSC, any regular would be amused by his use of sic, given the howlers he has thrown up! (And I say that as one who generally scrolls him, with the occasional lapse…)

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Shudder to think what this government is going to legislate on this commercial lease between landlord and tenant. They have already instilled 6 months rent free into the heads., I’ve got our tenant asking for rent free for however long it takes. Like wtf? I get we are all collectively fukd but everyone on the same plain doesn’t work, if you want to improve your lot.
    Does this mean all commercial leases are void?
    These are not market forces at work.

    No free lunches.

    The banks deferred loan repayments, they didn’t give interest holidays.

    Do the same with rent.

    I also heard Morrison say that tenants couldn’t be evicted, but they also couldn’t use it as an excuse to end the lease.

  32. old bloke

    Anne
    #3390943, posted on April 3, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    In 2019 the Pentagon spent $500 Million on training the Military to fight underground.

    Are earthworms becoming a problem in the US?

  33. notafan

    What is this “abasement”?

    Not my God.

  34. notafan

    Giant earthworns of Gippsland are our new underlords!

  35. egg_

    I’ve got our tenant asking for rent free for however long it takes. Like wtf?

    But, but… Bad Samaritan on another fred says that only Baristas will be affected by Scomoron’s lockdown!

  36. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our locational spread is also in our favour

    ? most of the population live in Synny and Dannograd.

    True, and we could unlock Sunny Sydney and still crush Frozen Melbournites. As a Sydneysider, the Schadenfreude would be marvellous. But even within our cities, most of them less than world-sized cities, we have wide-spread suburbs and nothing like the high-rise dwelling found in other world cities. No slums either. We also have many regional cities that can be maintained in isolation, or not, and lots of space between them. These are locational advantages. The USA for instance developed as a small-farming economy and this is reflected even today in the pepper-pot spatial pattern. Europe is similar. Africa too. And Asia is even worse in terms of density per hectare.

  37. Tel

    If there was nuclear power in WA then data centers would relocate there:
    * lots of space.
    * cheap electricity.
    * timezone compatible with most of Asia.
    * big fiber cable going to Singapore.
    * reasonable latency for all of Australia.

    The only thing that Perth does not have which data centers are looking for is a cool dry climate, but it’s dry at least.

  38. calli

    Scott Morrison is going to be the Neville Chamberlain of our time. So convinced of the correctness of his solution and direction, but soooo wrong about the whole situation and the even bigger mess he just contributed to.

    Other Cats feel free to correct me. I thought Chamberlain’s “little piece of paper” from the Munich Agreement bought time to rearm. When he returned to England, even as he was signing, he bumped up military production. Appeasement while still cranking up preparations for war.

  39. egg_

    Politician pay cut not helpful: Morrison

    No ba lls.

  40. Infidel Tiger

    Drove along Cott Beach today.

    Far out! Absolute smokeshow of 10’s everywhere out power walking.

    This is what happens when the gyms are closed and no one has work.

  41. Dr Faustus

    The Vicar of Rugby:

    “delusional”;
    “running around like a headless chook”;
    “train smash”;
    “the most appalling corporate cluster fuck I have witnessed in a long time”

    But she still has friends.

    New Zealand sports reporter Scotty Stevenson defended Castle, tweeting on Friday, “She inherited a mess, has had to steer the ship through an even bigger mess.”

    An All Black level trolling masterclass.

  42. Chris

    Far out! Absolute smokeshow of 10’s everywhere out power walking.

    You jammy, jammy bastard. Here am I in a stuck in a mine office.

  43. notafan

    The burbs.

    It is so quiet around me.

    I see a few out and about but most are stiaying put at home on their nice blocks with a garden, sometimes a pool or a tennis court.

    And we had acres and acres of parks and nature preserves.

    Melbourne iirc has one of the greatest sprawls in earth.

    It’s clearly an advantage.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Melbourne iirc has one of the greatest sprawls in earth.

    It’s clearly an advantage.

    Perth is bigger than Los Angeles.

    We have no virus.

    High density living is death,

  45. Tel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_3

    Perth is the last tail on this fiber … while not exactly in a central position, it does have the advantage of being politically stable, geographically stable, well away from cyclone territory, and having an educated, English speaking population. There’s plausible argument that someone might want to put their data in Perth.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    WA could be declared disease free next week now we have slammed the border shut and still we won’t reopen.

    A golden opportunity missed.

    We would create world headlines worth billions in future investment by being able to do that.

    Let’s do it!! The world is breathless for some good news.
    Publicity opportunities like this are hens’ teeth.
    Tasmania has done well out of ‘green’ PR virtues.
    WA is reborn again as the Golden West.

    But wait. Wot about the indigines in the Kimberley? Going OK?

  47. Robber Baron

    Turdball must be laughing now that Morrison will be ranked an even worse PM than he undoubtedly was.

  48. Chris

    I am a deeply religious man in the sense of the primary meaning and also in my first amendment; but I am hostile to my second amendment.

    Any memeplex is a coalition of various memes, and I cannot buy all the memes in religion. Some are admirable, others disgust me.

    Because and despite all this, we love you Beaugy.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    and having an educated, English speaking population.

    You flatter us.

  50. calli

    Turdball had to make a crisis. Even then, he looked like a chump.

    Morrison has been overtaken by one. Give him time to chump up.

  51. Tel

    Other Cats feel free to correct me. I thought Chamberlain’s “little piece of paper” from the Munich Agreement bought time to rearm. When he returned to England, even as he was signing, he bumped up military production. Appeasement while still cranking up preparations for war.

    You are completely correct, Chamberlain was smart enough to hedge his bets, but in public of course he needed to speak as if it was going smoothly because you are hardly going to sign a peace agreement and then gnash your teeth.

    The little mustachio fellow was just as slick in public while he also bought time to rearm and signed a pact with the Soviets. The best outcome for England would have been temporary containment of Germany in Western Europe then eventual attack by Stalin which could have provoked a coordinated retaliation … that didn’t happen but it might have if they could find a way to discourage the German attack on Poland. To be fair on Chamberlain, he did severely warn them and then declared war when they broke the agreement. I don’t think it’s in any way fair to blame him for trying to make peace, but perhaps he should have found ways to be more convincing.

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Other Cats feel free to correct me. I thought Chamberlain’s “little piece of paper” from the Munich Agreement bought time to rearm. When he returned to England, even as he was signing, he bumped up military production. Appeasement while still cranking up preparations for war.

    Partially true – Chamberlain was sure he was bringing back a long term peace, the British did gain time to re – arm, but the Germans also used the time to re -arm, and the price was the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia, and the takeover of the Czechoslovak arms industry. Come the invasion of France in 1940, one third of all German tanks were the Czech made P38t.

  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the Munich Agreement bought time to rearm. When he returned to England, even as he was signing, he bumped up military production.

    Maybe, Calli. I only know that it was Churchill in charge, and telling Beaverbrook to go to it, and pronto, you have six to eight weeks, that got the red tape cleared, the Spitfires built, operational and at last able to rise up as fast and steeply as the Messerschmitts once the Rolls Royce Merlin engines were properly adjusted by an unherald team of British foremen taken from the Coventry car factories.

    My own father was one of them.

  54. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Something along these lines, Tel?

    https://pawsey.org.au/

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Other Cats feel free to correct me. I thought Chamberlain’s “little piece of paper” from the Munich Agreement bought time to rearm. When he returned to England, even as he was signing, he bumped up military production. Appeasement while still cranking up preparations for war.

    Chamberlain was a a hero and a great man.

    He and Macarthur are two of the most stupidly maligned men in history.

  56. egg_

    ScoMo telling us that we’re entering a New Phase.

    Translation: All the modelling was wrong. We’ve cooked the whole economy for nothing. FUCK! Let’s act like there’s a crisis for at least 6 more months.

    Wait till it sinks in to Kochie’s LIVs.

  57. bespoke

    Old School Conservative
    #3390949, posted on April 3, 2020 at 3:21 pm
    adding a sic mid-quote is superfluous and slightly pedantic

    Nelson, The PhD Candidate added sic to a sentence of mine which he quoted. I’d made a spelling mistake. I corrected it soon after.
    So yes, the sic was superfluous, pedantic, and very, very funny because he confused two homophones in the same post.

    I take it as with others as a white flag saying “I have nothing” 😎

  58. egg_

    Turdball must be laughing now that Morrison will be ranked an even worse PM than he undoubtedly was.

    Might help books sales – NOT worse than Scomoron!

  59. notafan

    The only reason Cuba exports doctors is to get cold hard cash.

    There is zero altruism involved.

    Zero.

  60. areff

    Whatever face mask you wear to comply with the new trend

    All masks worn anywhere in the world should have this message printed across the mouth:

    “China Did This”

    The ex is in the promo-items business. I might suggest she start flogging them.

  61. calli

    Marvellous! His actions are still hard to pin down all these years later. Which means he was just an ordinary man overtaken by extraordinary events and trying to make the best of them in real time.

    We love things nice and neat and easy to categorise. And our solutions swift and complete. Never quite works out that way.

  62. notafan

    Notice too the weaseling ingoration of the abortion rates.

  63. Anne

    Many of us in the Q GreatAwakening Movement assumed that the “10 days of darkness” would be a Media and Communications shutdown.

    It’s obvious now it refers to soldiers fighting underground and the Military Operation, going on right now, to rescue children from the Deep Underground Military Bases.
    D.U.M.Bs

    There are thousands of these Bases worldwide.

  64. 1735099

    Why won’t the Trump administration allow sign-ups to the ACA in this emergency?
    Americans losing their jobs lose their employer based health care.

  65. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Good, old-fashioned quarantine used to be the thing.

    Ironically, the Point Nepean Quarantine Station is currently closed due to WhüFlü.

    Could an enterprising state, like WA*, get serious with border testing (including the internal borders) to get a jump on recovery?

    Perhaps keep the gymnasiums shut, if it keeps fit people out and about, though.

    * An obvious assumption, right there.

  66. old bloke

    Tel
    #3390963, posted on April 3, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    If there was nuclear power in WA then data centers would relocate there:

    There’s several large data centres here already Tel, I’ve worked at some. Clients include some large banks, state and federal government agencies, national corporations and international telcos, in addition to the local businesses.

  67. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Top Ender at 1:21 pm:

    “Tick, tick, tick…

    Pressure is growing for change at the top of Rugby Australia and Raelene Castle’s days as chief executive look numbered.

    The Australian understands the attitude of the Rugby Australia board has dramatically changed with some new faces joining earlier this week — Virgin Australia co-founder Brett Godfrey, Supercars chairman Peter Wiggs, and former Wallaby Daniel Herbert [who can send former Wallaby brother Anthony to attend board meetings when he is busy – they look similar].

    Rugby Australia may have to pay out six months of Castle’s contract.”

    I reckon publication of this piece, coming from Wayne Smith’s stable at The Australian, is an advance copy of Raelene Boyle’s dismissal notice. The goth surely has earned this addition to her résumé, shoulder to shoulder with her previous failure at Canterbury rugby league. The ARU should have never appointed her.

    The next amateur merry go round of appointing a successor makes me shudder. The ARU board performs that task with world class incompetence.

    These mongs have destroyed my game.

    From Old School Conservative at 3:09 pm:

    ” … Just wondering if getting rid of Israel at a reported cost of $4m was one of her KPIs.”

    I have seen another guess from several places of $9 million. It got a run again last week when the ARU was unable to table auditor endorsed annual accounts.

  68. Boambee John

    WA could be declared disease free next week now we have slammed the border shut and still we won’t reopen.

    Isn’t there still that issue in the Kimberley? Something about indig health workers?

  69. Infidel Tiger

    WA should have nuclear power and desal plants everywhere.

    Turn the Pilbara green.

  70. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Is Japan the best-ever example of promoting a cultural and shift and economic recovery in the aftermath of a military defeat?

    #MacArthur

  71. Tel

    and having an educated, English speaking population.

    You flatter us.

    As compared with Philippines, Malaysia, Adelaide, etc.

  72. Porcelain Monkey:

    Couple of pics for last night aircraft junkies.

    Thanks for that – I was wondering if the Heinkel 219 “Uhu” was a wingless static model but that particular photo didn’t come up.
    Ta…

  73. Arky

    There is going to be so much fucking fraud around this government money being chucked around. Here and in the USA.
    A boon to our criminal elements and organised crime.
    5% of the population is this rat- like little bunch of chiselers. They’ll be at work already signing up for all the benefits they can with as many identities as they can cobble together.

  74. Anne

    In his Press Briefings, Trump frequently refers to the pandemic as a “hidden enemy” or an “invisible enemy”.

    He’s not talking about the Coronavirus.

    He’s talking about this. 👇🏻

    THE UNDERGROUND WAR HAPPENING NOW!!!

    https://youtu.be/XM56Ga7wOz8

    Please don’t watch this unless you at least suspect the Coronavirus is a cover.

  75. Struth

    TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL therefore criminal.

    If you are a Queenslander with or without Coronavirus you will be waved straight through the newly formed state checkpoints, allowed into QLD, while those free of the disease but do not reside in Queensland are banned from an entire state of a nation they pay taxes to and are sovereign owners in law, and where, for just one example, their sick parents live and are now unable to be visited and who are dying of other causes, alone,unless special permission is granted.
    The government of Queensland are discriminating against Australian citizens, not because of a virus, as this is no quarantine measure, obviously.
    They are discriminating against people based on where they live in the commonwealth.
    This is in direct violation of the superior rule of law of this nation, section 117 of the Australian Constitution.
    Section117
    A subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to ANY DISABILITY OR DISCRIMINATION which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other State.
    Section 109 of the constitution states clearly that when state laws are inconsistent with the Commonwealth law, they are invalid, in other words, the QLD government are criminals operating outside the rule of Law.
    Remember, ignorance of the Law is no excuse.
    Especially when most in our parliaments are ex lawyers.
    There is no higher Law than our Constitution.
    It is final and cannot be changed without referendum.

    We have laws for a reason.
    RUOK with this?
    Once rule of Law is abandoned, and you let it happen, you, unarmed, will be ruled by the point of a gun.
    This will kill and cause misery far worse than the coronavirus ever will.
    The Qld state Premier is in a state of Hysterics and does not know whether people will be fined to sit or stand on an empty beach, or even be there.
    She has actually stated that you may walk on the beach, but quickly go home, sunbaking is not allowed.
    Seriously.
    On an empty beach.
    Do you trust your life in the hands of these hysterical morons?
    Do you trust your nation in the hands of these hysterical morons?
    Do you trust their reactions to the coronavirus?

    We have the rule of Law for a reason.

    No one is above it, and if just one places themselves above it, we all lose it.
    Then you may actually get a real body count and not just an infection tally meant to scare you.

    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Please post my new updated rant anywhere you can.

  76. 1735099

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

  77. Tel

    Nelson Kidd-Players #3390987,

    Tiny … but everyone needs to start somewhere. Get the nukes online and we can talk about bigger things.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If you received those credit vouchers for some late trip, I’d ebay them quick smart if I were you.

    Haven’t received anything yet, JC, either credit vouchers or refund as promised.

    Hairy says if financial institutions pull the plug on large industries like cruising, then we are in for a tremendous credit crunch and everything will go to shit.

    Cruising will reinvigorate but it will take a year to do so, at least. Maybe buy those cheap shares and just hang on to them. That’s a lot of infrastructure we saw lining the bayside at Miami, and replicated in places like Fort Lauderdale and elsewhere in the world’s ports. It is not worthless; just sidelined for the moment.

    I’ve already suggested here that the large cruise ships will be superceded in new production by smaller ships carrying fewer passengers. This is a trend that has already started in middle class travel, and is now set to be enhanced. The bigger older ships will go towards the cheaper end of the market, low-rent packaging holidays etc. Some of the better newer ones might get busy refashioning their air conditioning to a better filtration system to allay viral concerns in the future. Top sanitation techniques will do to allay other concerns; enteric diseases didn’t end cruising and I doubt if this one will either.

    Cruising is fun. Lots to do. It’s great to watch Japanese ex-CEO’s learn to foxtrot, and to join in too.
    Hairy joined enthusiastically into the line dances on offer on Holland America a few weeks ago. 🙂
    We didn’t discover the joys of a cruise till about five years ago, and wouldn’t want to do it all the time for holidays, but it is an easy way to relax and travel, often in pleasant company and to nice places with mostly good food, even if somewhat mass produced. And no packing and unpacking. Plus a library on board.

  79. Tel

    They’ll be at work already signing up for all the benefits they can with as many identities as they can cobble together.

    Some people diversify their portfolio.

    Others diversify their personal details.

  80. egg_

    The Hunchback having a wank on Live TV.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

    Density.

    Unlike yourself, they are not dense.

  82. bespoke

    The old valve-NPC is even more low energy today.

  83. calli

    There’s a ten degree F temperature difference between LA and NYC, NJ and twenty F for Michigan.

    Could be fewer aerosols spreading because no central heating?

  84. egg_

    The tard is wearing his earnest face.

  85. old bloke

    Nelson Kidd-Players
    #3391001, posted on April 3, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    Good, old-fashioned quarantine used to be the thing.

    Ironically, the Point Nepean Quarantine Station is currently closed due to WhüFlü.

    The Sydney quarantine station was at North Head, near Manly. It’s now privately owned short-term rental accommodation. It’s very nicely situated, but I wonder if they get many online booking requests when they also advertise the premises as the most haunted place in Australia.

  86. egg_

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

    Density.

    Yup, plus hubs where folk transit, Numpty.

  87. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers – SCOTUS has taken up Obamacare as a case for later this year, which suggests it will be found to be unconstitutional in its present form. It would therefore be inappropriate to sign up more people when the thing is about to be booted from the statutes.

    California is warmer and more spread out than NYC. Probably true in comparison with NJ and Michigan too. So you’d expect the coronavirus infectiousness to be a little lower. That’s just a guess on my part though.

  88. egg_

    Andrews red in the face – lying his @rse off about lockdowns?

  89. Leo G

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

    This time of year the maximum daily temperature in LA averages about 20 degree C. In New York City its about 13 degree C.

  90. twostix

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom suggested in a Wednesday press conference that the coronavirus pandemic is an opportunity to usher in a “progressive era” in American policy.

    Newsom was asked by a Bloomberg News reporter if he saw “the potential, as some others in the [Democratic] Party do, for a new progressive era, if you want to call it that, in national politics and policy and whether there’s the opportunity for additionally progressive steps … on the national and state level.”

    “the governor admittedly gave a long-winded answer which culminated in, ‘yes,’ admitting there is political opportunity born out of the pandemic. ‘There is opportunity for reimagining a [more] progressive era as it [relates] to capitalism,’ Gov. Newsom said. ‘So yes, absolutely we see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.’”

    They know what they’re doing.

  91. OldOzzie

    ADVICE HOW TO

    How to drive in mud…and never get stuck…

    Love it or hate it, negotiating mud is something you will have to do in your 4WD. You may not be looking for it, but rest assured at some point it will find you. You could be away with the family enjoying a nice sunny holiday down in a valley, only to find yourself in a deluge that lasts for days. Now, unless you are prepared to wait days (or potentially weeks in some areas) for the tracks to dry out, you have to pilot yourself back up and down those steep, slippery tracks and through those bog holes. But don’t worry, by following these simple steps you will be able to hit the mud with confidence.

  92. egg_

    Grummans are are to beat, love the sleek lines on the F6F.

    F6F most powerful prop fighter in WW2 – 2x twin Wasps.

    F8F Bearcat
    The last, most powerful of Grumman’s prop-driven fighters, the F8F Bearcat has been described as an engine with a saddle on it. Born of experience gained by study of fighter operations from carriers, the F8F was built smaller and 2,000 pounds lighter than its F6F predecessor, despite being designed around the big Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engine. The most powerful single-engine aircraft ever built, the F8F out-performed all others in all aspects of combat maneuverability. Too late for World War II, it was used by the French in French Indochina (later Vietnam) in 1953.

  93. Tel

    This time of year the maximum daily temperature in LA averages about 20 degree C. In New York City its about 13 degree C.

    Not such a big difference.

    How about time spent in the sun and Vitamin D levels?

  94. OldOzzie

    WHITE RHINO TECH EDITION
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    We take the Basecamp, add a swag of CZone digital switching products,
    partnered to the best in the business – Mastervolt. There is nothing better.
    Period. We then finish the build in custom EVA grey – both the Iveco and the
    module. Simply stunning.

  95. NoFixedAddress

    Another Bat flu test

    Fujifilm says new coronavirus test can produce results in two hours
    By REUTERS APRIL 3, 2020 06:05

    Fujifilm Holdings Corp said it has developed a new test for the novel coronavirus that reduces the results time to about two hours.
    The test was developed by subsidiary Fujifilm Wako Pure Chemical Corp and will be released on April 15, the company said in a release on Friday.
    The SARS-CoV-2 RT-qPCR Detection kit will be able to deliver results for the virus that causes COVID-19 faster than existing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, which presently take four to six hours, the company said.
    Fujifilm’s Avigan anti-flu drug is being tested as a treatment in China.

  96. OldOzzie

    TRAVEL

    Googs Track: South Australian Gold

    Googs Track in South Australia offers a Simpson-like experience, a failed stock route it offers touring four-wheel drivers an excellent adventure – South Australian gold.

  97. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Old School Conservative at 8:59 am on the previous thread:

    ” Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3390274, posted on April 3, 2020 at 1:42 am
    Disembarking the train at Whittingham Station – I remember it well. I trust you were not with the private school lot from Cox Knowledge

    Nope. Just up the road though.
    We were bussed in, obviously as a form of protection!”

    Barker.

    Mike Carlton, “Butch”, came through there. The deserved sense of guilt must be crushing. I won’t let on to anyone here. 😉

    Phillip Ruddock also attended Barker – a good man who continues to serve with distinction as Mayor of Hornsby. I dealt with him several times, first immediately after he won Parramatta.

  98. rickw

    Eyrie
    #3390844, posted on April 3, 2020 at 2:02 pm
    Some of the German fighter aces at the end of the war didn’t think much of the P-51. Reckoned they could out turn and out climb it but quantity has a quality of its own.

    Same with the Sherman, derided post war as being sub standard, but when you’re playing with a 3o to 1 advantage, being the absolute best is not what’s making the difference.

  99. Struth

    Cardimona, I think it is very well worded but I think I would also make the point that if the government allow people to gather at a supermarket while keeping socialist distancing, yet ban the Anzac Day when people keep the same socialist distancing advice (I don’t call them laws) it will show them up more to those who might otherwise tut tut the gathering.
    Unlike MV, I don’t think it’s too late, I think by next year if we are still in this martial law like state, it will be way too late.
    Totalitarian control would have been well and truly cemented.
    I think we actually have time, and I wouldn’t be concerned about pushing this just yet.
    My view is that Easter will wake many people up.
    Right now they are still virtue signalling and shitting themselves from propaganda.
    At work today (inlaws food business) they have the radio going.
    Constant fear mongering and bullshit infection numbers quoted non stop.
    Premier ear bashing and threatening all and sundry.
    Women scared shit less and even some men.

    Easter will be a turning point, right now they won’t see anything but an unnecessary gathering as a threat to their very lives.
    Maybe they still will after Easter, but I think the mood is already changing.
    Virtue signalling is fine until their really is sacrifices to make.
    The pampered younger ones won’t be virtue signalling much longer.
    Even if the gathering doesn’t happen, the government may feel that threatened by it that it over reacts and that would clue more in again.
    This is a propaganda war.
    We have freedom on our side, and once the young realise this isn’t deadly until it hits the old folks home, they won’t put up with it long.
    And then Trump will not take it out too long before he makes a move,
    It’s a war and inaction is death, but there is still room for confidence.
    Government has been too swift in it’s clamp down, brought about by Trump winning against China.
    Just my thoughts Cardimona.

  100. Tel

    I need more shares, does anyone think Xero is a good buy?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ASX%3A+XRO

    Software is about the only growth industry in Australia these days.

  101. Chris

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

    It’s waiting for Government permits?

  102. old bloke

    Tel
    #3390963, posted on April 3, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    * big fiber cable going to Singapore.

    There are four submarine* cables out of Perth, three to Singapore and one to the mid-east, according to this map.

    *I assume that these submarine links are fibre.

  103. EvilElvis

    Googs Track in South Australia offers a Simpson-like experience, a failed stock route it offers touring four-wheel drivers an excellent adventure – South Australian gold.

    I follow a few adventure motorbike guys on YouTube who did Googs track a couple of years ago. Great ride/drive by the looks. Funnily, the mendicant state has some great off-road areas.

  104. rickw

    Whatever face mask you wear to comply with the new trend

    Are you allowed wear those skull nose and jaw ones?

  105. Mindfree

    Interesting, just checking my mail box and this arrived in the slot for newspapers

    The Epoch Times (never heard of it until now) and based in Box Hill (i’m in Melbourne) which is a chinese enclave although a bit ghost town like these days. However, here are some of the headlines and by-lines

    “21 Million Fewer Cellphone Users in China May Suggest a High CCP Virus Death Toll”
    “Where Ties With Communist China Are Close, the Coronavirus Follows”
    “How China’s Coverup Led to a Global Pandemic”
    “China Performs First Lung Transplant on Virus Patient, Raising Concerns About Organ Source”
    and finally
    “World Can No Longer Ignore Crime of Forced Organ Harvesting in China, Experts Say”

    Now this may be a crank outfit that’s just popped up out of nowhere in reaction to he current polictical and economic crisis but the fact they are based in a suburb predominantly Chinese seems rather telling. Is this a backlash beginning now ?

    Having said that, probably won’t last too long given Dangerous Dan’s propensity to use his goons to shut down anyone who criticizes or at least doesn’t conform to his favoured business partners’ narrative

  106. cohenite

    https://www.worldometers.info/?fbclid=IwAR3kp_zLkasf7cJ2fbOYe1oPQ1-uGaMEK5y45pPhC2dvRTRoZPbuO8fbqYQ

    Deaths this year to date:

    3,331,570
    Communicable disease deaths this year
    124,779
    Seasonal flu deaths this year
    1,950,701
    Deaths of children under 5 this year
    10,908,334
    Abortions this year
    79,323
    Deaths of mothers during birth this year
    41,684,018
    HIV/AIDS infected people
    431,420
    Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
    2,107,728
    Deaths caused by cancer this year
    251,729
    Deaths caused by malaria this year

    Deaths from the chunk virus to this year to date:

    53146 (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

  107. Tel

    old bloke 3391054,

    Yes, there’s more than one to Singapore, from there you can go anywhere you like.

    Not sure who wants to talk with the Middle East … perhaps they are gold buyers over that ways and want to call the Perth Mint checking prices? I dunno.

  108. rickw

    Chamberlain was a a hero and a great man.

    He and Macarthur are two of the most stupidly maligned men in history.

    Correct!

  109. min

    Well if Scomo goes down so will Pluckachook , Danistan. the bloke in WA as they have all out scomoed Scomo. Libs in SA, Tas and NSW should not get off lightly also so we can lock them up with Boris.

  110. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The Epoch Times had been around for some time. Never paid any attention to it, but recall the title.

  111. notafan

    BoN

    Correct re LA urban sprawl, greater LA is enormous.

    I’ve driven a bit on LA surface roads on the southern side of LA.

    NJ commutes to NY.

  112. Anne

    There’s a Part 2 to the video I posted at 4pm, on another YT channel, if anyone is interested in going further down the rabbit hole.

  113. calli

    Just a quick Google of the Epoch Times brings up Falun Gong.

    Little wonder they are anti-regime.

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Helen’s ‘make your own face mask from a vacuum cleaner bag’ was very interesting and for someone in need possibly life-saving. Might forward it to my maskless doctor cousin in hard-hit Louisiana. It requires someone of Calli’s talents to wield a sewing machine though; so hopeless for me. Lucky I have a few N95 and blue surgical masks re-sanitised and ready to go again and a dozen very light paper ones for one-off wear still.

    Royal Caribbean ‘Spectrum of the Seas’ just sailing by now along the harbour. We saw a big Royal Caribbean go out yesterday. News helicopter circling. Possibly empty and now going to storage in Sydney for a while?

  115. johanna

    Just got back from the mall.

    Very quiet, carpark about half full.

    Nevertheless, still no TP or tissues in Coles, lots of empty shelves in the canned goods and noodle areas. All specialty shops closed – only the chemist, food shops, grog shop and tobacconist still open, plus the phone companies. That’s at least 20 small businesses with no money coming in, er, sorry, hibernating. What a stupid expression for financial ruin.

    Staff and customers all being polite, but then – someone sneezed in the self-service checkout. A staff member leapt on to the PA and said something unintelligible, and then made a phone call. It was like a bomb threat had been received!

    Pity the poor buggers with allergies. They are being treated like lepers.

  116. cohenite

    Trump is going to crack down on the daigou shoppers and the traitor companies assisting.

  117. Geriatric Mayfly

    we have slammed the border shut and still we won’t reopen.

    QATAR airline just zoomed overhead(again)off to Doha. Were there inbound? Are there outbound?

  118. egg_

    There are four submarine* cables out of Perth,

    And they need shore-end power supplied – ruinables, anyone?
    I witnessed/assisted the destruction of the COMPAC spare shore end equipment (for the auditors) on its closure – sad, just like new, never used.

  119. cohenite

    A quick cheap cure for the coronavirus could be a bitter pill to swallow
    Rebecca Weisser The Spectator Australia 4 April 2020
    Le Gilet Jaune des Blousons Blanches (the Yellow Vest of the Lab Coats), sneered a TV talking head at Professor Didier Raoult, the world expert on infectious diseases who says he has a cure for Covid-19. On March 29, Raoult tweeted that since March 3, his hospital had treated over a thousand Covid-19 patients with a generic anti-malaria drug and an antibiotic and only one person had died. Over that period, 2,602 people died of the virus in France out of more than 44,000 cases. That suggests if Raoult’s treatment had been adopted, as few as 44 people might have died.
    With that sort of success you’d thinkRaoult would be a national hero and the scientist who looks like the druid Getafix from the beloved Asterix comics, is being hailed as a latter-day de Gaulle, saving the French in their darkest hour since World War II. Yet while the people of Marseille form a long, socially distanced queue outside the Institut Hospitalo Méditerranée Infection, waiting to be tested and treated, in Paris, Roualt is despised by the medical establishment.
    His detractors claim that he is only treating mild cases that would have gone away on their own. But a study published this week shows that of 80 patients studied, 60 per cent had at least one risk factor for severe Covid-19, such as hypertension (13), diabetes (9), chronic respiratory disease (8), cancer (5), coronary artery disease (6), immunosuppressive treatment (4), around 53 per cent had pneumonia and almost 30 per cent were over 60-years old. Yet only one 86-year-old passed away. Even better, more than 80 per cent were discharged within ten days as they were no longer contagious, with a mean length of stay of 4.6 days. Compare that to a study of 191 Chinese patients who were hospitalised — 28 per cent died, and the survivors had fever, on average, for 12 days, cough for 19 days, and were contagious for several weeks.
    Raoult says the secret of his success is to test everyone and for those who need it, treat early, before the virus does irreparable damage to the lungs – a French version of the South Korean model, which also worked in Taiwan and Singapore. He is strongly opposed to a ‘lockdown’ of healthy people which he calls a ‘medieval’ solution. Yet on 16 March, Macron ordered a partial lockdown.
    With more than 400 people in France dying in just one day last week, there is a feverish atmosphere. People are outraged that a cure proposed by the country’s most eminent expert is being deliberately sidelined by the government.
    As the epidemic kicked off, on 13 January, the French Health Minister classified chloroquine as a ‘poisonous substance’ so that, after 50 years, it would only be available on prescription. On 20 March, Dr Christian Perronne, a highly- respected Professor of Infectious diseases said that chloroquine was a very promising drug and revealed that ‘the central pharmacy for French hospitals had been “pillaged” of its stocks. Then, on 24 March, the Health ministry officially prohibited the use of chloroquine except for the terminally ill. Raoult responded saying that if the Minister’s directive was followed ‘then they will be able to say that chloroquine doesn’t work’.
    Those who attack Raoult include the former Minister for Health who resigned just as deaths were starting to accelerate on 11 March to throw her hat in the ring to be Mayor of Paris, her husband, who was the head of the French National Institute of Health and Medical Research, and their friends; researchers who have powerful roles on committees and also receive funding from major pharmaceutical companies who just happen to be promoting more expensive drugs, still under patent, as a cure for Covid-19.
    They say there is no evidence of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, dismissing five trials in China that show that it inhibits the replication of both the original Sars virus and the new Sars-CoV-2. They also discount three clinical trials in China that were so successful that chloroquine was adopted as a first line treatment for mild, moderate and severe cases of Covid-19. Yet their principle complaint is that Raoult has not conducted a double-blind trial in which neither patient nor doctor knows who has been given the new medication and who has been given a placebo. Raoult says that as a doctor, he has an obligation to honour the Hippocratic Oath and make a life-saving treatment available to all patients who want to try it, comparing his results with those of hospitals using conventional treatments.
    Raoult’s supporters accuse the government of creating an artificial scarcity of a cheap drug so that big Pharma can peddle an expensive and ineffective drug. It’s a byzantine feud that makes the furore on the other side of the Atlantic look like child’s play.
    When President Trump saw a tweet from Elon Musk saying the French had found a cure for the coronavirus, he knew it could be a game-changer. Not only would nobody die, but we could stop killing the economy.
    The ugly truth is that for the Trump-haters it’s a case of better dead than red; they want corona to kill off the President’s chance of getting re-elected, so chloroquine becomes a case of red pill, blue pill, as in the movie, The Matrix, the red pill is freedom and harsh reality, the blue pill is an endless lockdown.
    The trouble for New Yorkers is that with over 67,000 cases and 1,300 deaths, whether to take Trump’s ‘miracle cure’ is personal. Professor Ian Lipkin, the director of the Centre for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University, is no deplorable. But as the adviser to Steven Soderbergh on his 2011 movie Contagion — an all but forgotten flick until Covid-19 turned it into the most popular pandemic picture to watch in self-isolation — he’s a regular on Fox News.
    Last week he revealed on air that he’d tested positive and was feeling miserable. And although, like all experts, he’s criticised the fact that there was no double blind trial, he said he was taking Trump’s wonder drug and hopes it will work. Columbia is one of two universities in the US that is running a double-blind trial but Lipkin seems to have opted for the certainty of getting the medication rather than run the risk of being given a sugar pill. Will it work? We won’t have to wait long to find out. But for a deep blue state like New York, either way, it’s a bitter pill —heads, Trump wins, tails, they could lose their life.

  120. egg_

    Why is the rate of infections in California increasing more slowly than New York, New Jersey and Michigan?

    It’s the vibe, man!

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    This time of year the maximum daily temperature in LA averages about 20 degree C. In New York City its about 13 degree C.

    Not such a big difference.

    How about time spent in the sun and Vitamin D levels?

    Temperature and sun exposure for Vit D could go some way to explain the difference.
    Not much high rise apart from the CBD in Los Angeles either.

  122. egg_

    spare shore end equipment

    A bit like a missile silo, where you got a key to access a safe-like cabinet to get another key to unlock the controls IIRC.

  123. Top Ender

    Not a bad idea Frollicking, but I’m only producing around four pages each on the arguments:

    1) which was the best single seat monoplane single prop fighter, and

    2) which was better: Zero or P40

    That’s only about 3000 words on each, given pix on the page.

  124. Struth

    The other thing I would like to say to Southern Cats they may help you feel better, is that it may be getting cold down your way and grey skies, I don’t know, but remember this stupid bint up here has banned people from enjoying Queensland over Easter, and Sco Mo has many of them unemployed.
    Around us is sun and surf, bars and theme parks, national parks and mountains, the great barrier reef etc etc.
    Queenslanders are extremely outgoing and extremely social.
    They will be ready to kill after Easter, especially when they realise this is the doing of the socialist left media and bureaucracies for global power and to kill off a Trump resurgent USA.

    We need to make sure people know basic facts.
    Overall deaths from last year to this, have risen nowhere.
    These normal deaths have been reclassified in Italy and god knows how many other socialist corrupt shit holes like New York.
    Sunny Queensland, and it’s perfect over Easter, usually, being off limits to Queenslanders, the Gold Coast, the Noosa shops and all already quoted and the Queensland people won’t tolerate that long.
    I could almost safely Guarantee you the fight back will start here.

  125. Top Ender

    Narwhal Tusk…Heinz Knoke’s “I flew for the Fuhrer”.

    Unfortunately about $30 a copy secondhand on AbeBooks.

  126. Tel

    Turn the Pilbara green.

    Check the rainfall totals and you see that the Pilbara gets plenty of rain already.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/cvg/av?p_stn_num=004032&p_prim_element_index=18&p_display_type=statGraph&period_of_avg=ALL&normals_years=allYearOfData&staticPage=

    You get about one quarter of the rainfall that Sydney gets, but it all falls in February and then washes straight out to sea. The whole lot dries out and dies in springtime.

    As a consequence the Pilbara topsoil is sitting somewhere out in the Indian Ocean, and that’s why nothing grows. Stop the water runoff and stick it in one of those open air hydro containment pens that we have heard about in other countries.

  127. Mother Lode:

    Junkers powered 109s were shooting down Spitfires in 1948.
    Is that year right? I mean, the war had finished.

    IIRC* It was probably Jordanian Spitfires against Isreaili Me 109s over the Golan Heights, while down below were Mk IVs were doing an encore.
    Picture 1: looks like a Royal Jordanian Air Force Spitfire in bent pose.
    Picture 2: Sturmgeschutz 40 Golan Heights.
    Picture 3: Syrian MkIV A good picture of how important the Golan Heights were in terms of view – Dominates the Israeli positions.

  128. Viva

    Just watched the giant Spectrum of the Seas sailing past down the harbour.

    I wonder what the authorities are planning to do with those on board.

  129. C.L.

    Do you trust your life in the hands of these hysterical morons?
    Do you trust your nation in the hands of these hysterical morons?
    Do you trust their reactions to the coronavirus?

    No.
    No.
    And no.

  130. Farmer Gez

    Nevertheless, still no TP or tissues in Coles, lots of empty shelves in the canned goods and noodle areas.

    Johanna, I know a county hopping, bootlegging woman who has just run some contraband TP from Woolies in Bendigo through the trooper’s roadblocks and back to the old farmhouse.
    My kids call her mum.

  131. Cardimona, I think it is very well worded but I think I would also make the point that if the government allow people to gather at a supermarket while keeping socialist distancing, yet ban the Anzac Day when people keep the same socialist distancing advice (I don’t call them laws) it will show them up more to those who might otherwise tut tut the gathering.

    People generally don’t get on the piss in supermarkets.
    Some take advantage of ANZAC Day to do exactly that, which both wrecks the occasion for those genuinely commemorating, and provides ample opportunity for infections when drunken idiots lose it.
    They’re generally not the participants, but the spectators, but the virus doesn’t discriminate.
    In addition, a very large proportion of veterans are over 70 and members of the vulnerable group.

  132. Tel

    And they need shore-end power supplied – ruinables, anyone?

    There’s so many things you can do with power … really turns me on.

    Get those nukes running. You won’t regret it.

  133. egg_

    And they need shore-end power supplied

    For which we’re remunerated – WA power may be cheaper than the Grid.

  134. Chris

    Narwhal Tusk…Heinz Knoke’s “I flew for the Fuhrer”.

    Sounds great.
    For a quiet read about an earlier conflict, Anthony Fokker “Flying Dutchman” was very illuminating when I read it long ago.

  135. Viva

    I noticed that the nurses placed a full page ad in today’s Australian requesting households to deliver any spare hand sanitiser or masks they might have to their local hospital.

    An inspired way to make a point and shame the govt.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Suddenly the weather’s turned from nice to dullsville in Sydney, with splatters of rain. Not pleasant any more to sit out on the terrace. 4.52 and just over an hour until I can reasonably pour my big G & T to take the edge off another day at home and supply my placebo dose of quinine. With lemon. When my son visited we exchanged a small pak of toilet paper for a lemon! All with infection control methods of course. Toss down and recipient wipes with disinfectant, toss up and I make a great catch of speeding lemon, then disinfect.

    His partner (mother of his autistic son), whom he has moved in with to help with the home schooling of the child for the duration, said his bringing home of some toilet paper was better than receiving a gift of flowers. Seems I am encouraging the rekindling of romance. 🙂

  137. Tel

    Just watched the giant Spectrum of the Seas sailing past down the harbour.

    I wonder what the authorities are planning to do with those on board.

    Give them food and fuel for the next few months, close the bars, clubs and restaurants on the ship. Tell them they can work from their cabin.

    Now they have everything that the rest of Australia gets.

  138. Mindfree

    So Wikipedia (for what’s it worth) says the Epoch Times as mentioned was started by two Chinese Americans who are associated with or support Falun Gong. It also mentions they are strongly Pro-Trump and have been around for about 20 years
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

    Their About page link
    http://www.epochtimes.org.au/about-eet.html

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ten days tomorrow, and we are both well. Just rather bored, like everyone else.
    It will be good to be able to go for a walk locally in four days time.
    Something to look forward to.

  140. Struth

    We are talking about the dawn service, commo bob

    So go滚开

  141. Farmer Gez

    Don’t count your chickens Lizzie.
    A woman on the radio this morning said her daughter arrived back from the UK a couple of weeks ago and was fine until the last few days. She tested positive on the thirteenth day of isolation.

  142. egg_

    Scomoron – lockdowns continue – if it’s a warm day, don’t go down to the beach.
    Will the Cops unlawfully shoot me, moron?

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Now they have everything that the rest of Australia gets.

    If there are passengers there with balcony rooms then they would be better off there than in quarantine in some cheap hotel with bad aircon and non-opening windows and with cross-infecting others next door.

    Why on earth better systems for ensuring proper home quarantine were not in place ages ago is something many people shoved into hotels or left mouldering on cruise ships might reasonably ask.

  144. egg_

    Ten days tomorrow

    Congrats.

  145. Carpe Jugulum

    IIRC* It was probably Jordanian Spitfires against Isreaili Me 109s over the Golan Heights,

    Am i the only one who sees a perverse irony in that.

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Am i the only one who sees a perverse irony in that.

    Ummm, no, actually.

  147. egg_

    Just watched the giant Spectrum of the Seas sailing past down the harbour.

    Are they taking passengers?
    How much does $1500/fn buy you?

  148. lotocoti

    It’s official.
    Questioning the celestials’ numbers is feeding into conspiracy theories in the Middle Kingdom’s largest province.

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    if it’s a warm day, don’t go down to the beach.

    Why on earth not, if you go only in allowed pairs or family groups and maintain the Anti-Social Distance?

    Sunlight and fresh air is Kryptonite to this or any other virus. It is likely to help some of those dreaded asymptomatics to kill it within their lungs and thus stop shedding, while improving their Vit D levels in the fight too.

  150. old bloke

    egg_
    #3391073, posted on April 3, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    And they need shore-end power supplied – ruinables, anyone?
    I witnessed/assisted the destruction of the COMPAC spare shore end equipment (for the auditors) on its closure – sad, just like new, never used.

    COMPAC was using copper cables Egg, not able to support the current bandwidth requirements.

  151. Boambee John

    Mindfree

    The Epoch Times (never heard of it until now) and based in Box Hill (i’m in Melbourne) which is a chinese enclave although a bit ghost town like these days. However, here are some of the headlines and by-lines

    I think it is based in Hong Kong, and might have a Falun Gong connection.

    This would explain the tone of the headlines.

  152. Struth

    People generally don’t get on the piss in supermarkets.

    People don’t fight for crap wrap on Anzac day.

    You really hate this country don’yt you commo bob.
    You’re a bitter , small man.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Give them food and fuel for the next few months, close the bars, clubs and restaurants on the ship. Tell them they can work from their cabin.

    Now they have everything that the rest of Australia gets.

    Perfection!

  154. egg_

    McGowan calling this “a war”.
    Fvckwit.

  155. John64

    With new COVID-19 infections in Victoriastan now down to less than 6% a day; Dear Leader Despot Dan announces that he can’t wait to impose “Stage 4 Restrictions” – whatever the hell than means.

    This dangerous loon is undoubtedly living out a lifelong fantasy; a chance to reshape society in his image using the jackboot.

    When this is all over and what is left is a smoking wreck that once was Victoriastan’s economy; pity the poor Treasurer (I’ll bet it won’t be Tim “Cane Toad” Pallas by then) trying to cobble some sort of a credible budget together with Payroll Tax, Land Tax, Stamp Duty and GST revenue all blown to the schitenhuizen.

  156. Struth

    if it’s a warm day, don’t go down to the beach.

    Why on earth not, if you go only in allowed pairs or family groups and maintain the Anti-Social Distance?

    It’s not about the Virus Lizzie , it’s about control.

    Sco Mo is stuffed.
    deals with the devil and all that.
    He’s a UN man, and that is not alright.
    You may as well call him Chairman Mo, he’s just the European mask on a Chi nk head.

  157. There is always a poverty tax.
    80% for anyone earning less than $100 USD per week*.

    * Soon to be most of Australia.

  158. egg_

    COMPAC was using copper cables

    That was the decommissioning; I was in the game till ’99 and saw the introduction of digital, including HFC broadband cable (modem) iDTV trials (2002) prior to the the NBN.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t count your chickens Lizzie.
    A woman on the radio this morning said her daughter arrived back from the UK a couple of weeks ago and was fine until the last few days. She tested positive on the thirteenth day of isolation.

    No worries. In this epidemic we have always hoped for the best but prepared for the worst.

    I intend to maintain quarantine except for an occasional solitary walk for at least a further week, for my own safety and also for the residual safety of others if I am one of those very late adopters of this thing and call in for duty at 20 days after exposure. If young Hairy goes out to the shops in that week, for I doubt if I can constrain him further once legalities have been met, he can wear an N95 mask and I will disinfect him with Glen 20 and Pine-o-Clean wipes on his return. Our private lobby can serve as an airlock where he strips naked and his clothes get bundled into the washing machine.

    I am hoping he will cooperate in this measure and not regard it as overkill. Which he just might. 🙂

  160. Colonel Crispin Berka

    The Castle, 2020 WA edition:

    Dad!??

    What?

    Can you give me the keys? I need to drive through checkpoint Adam so I can drive through checkpoint Bravo so I can drive through checkpoint Charlie so I can get to Broome.

  161. egg_

    current bandwidth requirements.

    International fibres often use DWDM, multiplexing the light, not unlike we did with copper.

  162. Boambee John

    johanna

    Nevertheless, still no TP or tissues in Coles, lots of empty shelves in the canned goods and noodle areas.

    Saw something on Instapundit.

    There are two streams to the tp market, domestic and commercial. Now that lots more people are staying at home, the domestic market has risen sharply, while the commercial market (offices, shopping centres, etc) has dropped. Once the suppliers work this out, much of the output for the commercial market can be diverted to the supermarkets for the domestic market.

    We hope!

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did that woman give any indication as to whether her daughter had discerned any of the usual symptoms prior to the testing on day 13. I can’t see how she would have been tested otherwise. As stated, it sounds as if she was well one day and then at death’s door the next, which seems unlikely.

  164. From The IPA below.

    Agree with what John says below but there are many civil servants on below $150,000 whose place of work has been shut down for months. Many are in jobs that can not be done at home. No way they should be on full pay with what is going on.

    The PM was lying to the public when he said all will have to make sacrifices and share the burden. He was interviewed by Alan Jones today and brushed off the suggestion politicians, civil servants and ABC should make some cuts. Same for Finance Minister Cormann and Small Business Minister Cash on Tuesday and Thursday when asked same question by Jones.

    The PM is saying this could go on for 6 months. The Government he leads has indicated clearly that his staff MP’s and civil servants are immune to the pain going on in the private sector caused by Government decisions. Likewise Qld Premier office has indicated they have not even considered cuts.

    Time for Governments to consider cutting current salaries if people are not doing their previous jobs as before. The standard argument civil servants and Unions will put up is “but what about our employment agreement”.Consider all the Quantas and Meyer workers etc who also had employment agreements contravened overnight. For example State teachers are now forwarding their work to students online. They are not performing their full role as laid down in their employment agreements so should they still receive full pay and pay rises ?

    Time for the PM to show that we are all making sacrifices and “sharing the burden” because so far he is lying.

    Daily IPA Comment attributable to John Roskam, Executive Director of the Institute of Public Affairs:

    “If Australians really are all in this together, as the PM says, every federal and state politician should have their pay cut by 20% until the lockdown is over.”

    “This is about equality of sacrifice.”

    “Every public servant earning more than $150,000 should have their pay cut by 20%.”

    “Politicians and public servants are selfish if they don’t cut their pay.”

    “At the moment there are two classes of Australian. Those whose lives are devastated by losing their job and their business, and public servants who have been completely untouched by the crisis.”

  165. bespoke

    You’re a bitter , small man.

    And not just metaphorically.

  166. lotocoti

    whatever the hell than means.

    Being declared Maximum Leader For Life is a key part of stage four.

  167. Farmer Gez

    My wife has arrived home with the entire garden section of Bunnings in the boot.
    She’s out of control!

  168. Tel

    There are two streams to the tp market, domestic and commercial. Now that lots more people are staying at home, the domestic market has risen sharply, while the commercial market (offices, shopping centres, etc) has dropped. Once the suppliers work this out, much of the output for the commercial market can be diverted to the supermarkets for the domestic market.

    I have word from a friend of a friend in the bogroll industry that they worked this out very quickly.

    Offices were actually ordering much MORE because of expectations that supply would stop and they would be … errr … in the shit with OH&S inspectors if they were unable to provide paper in the dunnies.

    Hopefully now that the janitorial store rooms are full and the office is empty they will stop ordering anything, but I rather suspect that a lot of the business order ended up getting split amongst the staff … one way or another way.

  169. feelthebern

    A Kraut off the boat has just died in Perth.

    Breaking news.
    The Kraut died from an infection contracted during stool inspection.
    They just so happened to have coronavirus too.
    Another dodgy statistic.

  170. Farmer Gez

    She’s young Lizzie and was not unwell but her friends from the UK called her and said they tested positive, which prompted the test when she had a sniffle.

  171. harrys on the boat

    So another 13 cases for WA (Not including the 9 from the ship), and no deaths (not including the 1 from the ship.)

    As said WA could be the first nation to be back in business.

  172. Helen

    Captains father flew Kitty Hawks, Mustang and Sptifire in WWll – when he was checked out on the Mustang his log book entry reads ‘ A real aeroplane.’

    TE I have asked him to PM you as there is a fair bit of knowledge there, not just on aeroplanes but gunnery as well.

  173. C.L.

    McGowan calling this “a war”.
    Fvckwit.

    62,000 Australians were KIA in WWI from the 416,809 who enlisted.
    Or 15 percent.
    If you count KIA plus wounded casualties (156,000), the toll was 52 percent.
    ——————-
    Revised statistics: of 318,100 true enlistments, 20 percent were killed.
    Total hospital admissions for wounding, injury and illness: 750,000.

  174. Top Ender

    That would be a very interesting conversation Helen!

  175. Tel

    McGowan calling this “a war”.

    She will be sending out white feathers to anyone unwilling to rub someone else’s snot in their eye.

  176. egg_

    This dangerous loon is undoubtedly living out a lifelong fantasy; a chance to reshape society in his image using the jackboot.

    Wasn’t the upstart Hall Monitor the usual compromise between rival factions, just like Scomoron?

  177. vlad

    I am increasingly of the view that the fact that the HCA hasn’t freed George Pell asap doesn’t convey any information about their decision.

    If the HCA were going to free such a high-profile case, they might well know that they would face a shedstorm of criticism and want to get the whole job done in one go and have their reasoning out there in immediate justification for their decision.

    So we’ll wait and see. Where exactly we’ll get the news first I have no idea. They won’t be streaming it, sadly.

  178. Tel

    The Kraut died from an infection contracted during stool inspection.

    This is so wrong … sick people should not be hanging around IKEA looking at chairs.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    We are at war. And the enemy is us.

  180. egg_

    62,000 Australians were KIA in WWI

    Our yoof, our future, not mouldies.

  181. egg_

    Total hospital admissions for wounding, injury and illness: 750,000.

    Anecdote from a young girl of the era was that it was the norm to see young men on crutches, she thought it was normal at the time.

  182. feelthebern

    McGowan calling this “a war”.

    Yet we still let boats dock that are full of the enemy?
    That doesn’t sound like much of a war.

  183. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for that info, Farmer Gez. There had to be some reason for that test being offered.

    It does show the way in which this virus produces mild cases, largely asymptomatic, and with a pretty long lead time too from exposure to any mild symptoms. Those sharing this girl’s family home now have to take advice re their own required quarantine.

  184. johanna

    There are two streams to the tp market, domestic and commercial. Now that lots more people are staying at home, the domestic market has risen sharply, while the commercial market (offices, shopping centres, etc) has dropped. Once the suppliers work this out, much of the output for the commercial market can be diverted to the supermarkets for the domestic market.

    We hope!

    I hope so, too.

    I am still living on my rapidly decreasing reserves, which date from before the panic. If I do run out, it’s tissues or kitchen paper put into a freezer bag, knotted, and into the garbage.

    But imagine being a family with a tribe of kids. Try telling kids to conserve TP. You would have to accompany them on every visit! Even then, weeks of empty shelves would be a huge problem.

    My cabbie today told me he was so desperate he bought a four pack from a servo for $10. Oh, and I didn’t see any specials in Coles today. Some people are doing very well out of this.

  185. vlad

    Anecdote from a young girl of the era was that it was the norm to see young men on crutches, she thought it was normal at the time.

    There were notices in the trains into the late sixties/early seventies telling you to give up your seat to TPI badge wearers, which I always took to mean men from WW1. There may have been others.

  186. Bruce in WA

    From the OZ.

    Victoriastanites … you’re fvct

    Andrews: Plan for stage four restrictions
    Mr Andrews said he believed stage four restrictions would be introduced but did not detail what that would entail.

    “I think there will be a stage four, when I’m in a position and when I need to make those announcements I will,” he said.

    “I’ve tried to be very upfront about these different stages and the journey that we’re on,” he said.

    “If I’m planning for it then VIctorians have a right to know and I am looking at a number of different steps and further measures that I believe will save lives.

    “That’s the fundamental responsibility and obligation that I have. That’s not for today.”

  187. rickw

    Am i the only one who sees a perverse irony in that.

    On the ground they were principally equipped with a lot of German infantry weapons IIRC.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I am increasingly of the view that the fact that the HCA hasn’t freed George Pell asap doesn’t convey any information about their decision.

    It seems that one option is sending the case back to the Victorian Court of Appeal.

  189. calli

    Farmer Gez
    #3391142, posted on April 3, 2020 at 5:28 pm
    My wife has arrived home with the entire garden section of Bunnings in the boot.
    She’s out of control!

    Whatagal! 😁

    I’m off tomorrow to pick up pavers, quickset and some seedlings. An maybe an overpriced frangipani (because I can’t get to the wholesaler).

    Heaven.

  190. egg_

    No plod, very few Chunks in Chunk Central during the lunchtime shop.
    Still strange shortages in the aisles, fresh milk is definitely being rationed out (as is other stuff, presumably) – grabbed 2x 3L rather than the longlife which was in short supply.
    Toilet paper section filled with paper towels that folk were taking just in case – some pensioners were waiting – perhaps for TP to be brought in from out the back.
    Very few in masks except a few young hotties.

  191. rickw

    Victoriastanites … you’re fvct

    This is from the fucker that’s so far up China’s arse that he can see the back of Winnie’s eyeballs.

  192. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My wife has arrived home with the entire garden section of Bunnings in the boot.

    I am so longing to do this. Actioning plans.

    I was inspired by my cousin’s naturalised lettuce lawn in Louisiana.
    We could do that, I said excitedly to Hairy as he protected it with the AK47.

  193. johanna

    Oh, and Lizzie, the interspersing of sage advice, justifications for your stupid behaviour, and Lady Bountiful acts of mercy by dispensing TP to the plebs, are nauseating.

    If you are not infected and therefore didn’t infect anyone else as you swanned around the US and then back here, it is sheer good luck.

    Don’t push it by sermonising and proffering examples of what a good person you are. A bit of humility (I know, I know, but it’s worth a try) would not go astray.

  194. Farmer Gez

    As Australia has 5314 cases of C-19 and 28 fatalities. That’s a death rate in known cases of 0.52% and we know the real infection rate is much higher and the fatalities are mostly the elderly with co-morbidities.

    Could Dan of the Dead explain again why level 4 restrictions are necessary and what evidence he has to support his contention that retail shops are spreading the virus?

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for the company, Cats. I have whiled away the hour and it is now time to fix the G & T.

  196. Zatara

    JC

    US military doesn’t accept any nancification.

    WASHINGTON—Navy leaders have relieved the captain of a U.S. aircraft carrier after a memo to military officials in which he pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak at sea was leaked to a newspaper.

    Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, now at port in Guam, was relieved Thursday after superiors said they lost confidence in his ability to lead. The decision to remove him drew outrage from lawmakers and some relatives of crew members who backed the commander’s call for attention to the crisis.

    He was fired mostly because he leaked a copy of that memo to the left-wing press in San Francisco, his home town, essentially broadcasting to the world a major weakness in US defenses in the Pacific during a time of crisis involving China.

    I’ll be nice and just say his judgment totally sucked.

  197. Bruce in WA

    We hadn’t shopped in over a week and needed a few “essentials”, so we decided to belt down to Woolies for the 7.00 am “old farts” shopping run — mainly because we thought there’d be fewer people and we could get in and get out quickly.

    I was gobsmacked. The entire TP/tissues aisle was packed to the gunwales with product! Not an inch of empty space. A quick dash up and down the aisles and the only areas of emptiness were flour and rice. (WTF??) Everything else looked totally normal, including the meat section. I did notice the “faux meat” (vege) products all had “Reduced” stickers on them, indicating nearly out of date.

    People aren’t that hungry yet!

  198. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh do shut up, Johanna.

    Vile harpy.

    You’re not much fun at a party, are you?

  199. Infidel Tiger

    Can’t wait to see what Stage 17 restrictions are.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh, and Johanna. My son is not a ‘pleb’. He is my son.
    Long-term unemployed, slightly autistic, father of two, and my son.

    Piss off, you bitter old cow.

  201. Farmer Gez

    “If I’m planning for it then VIctorians have a right to know and I am looking at a number of different steps and further measures that I believe will save lives.

    The Tool didn’t give a shit that country towns couldn’t get GP’s and never bothered to enforce good medical facilities for the bush.
    A new convert to ‘save lives.’

  202. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I just saw sheila pretend Minister Fatso Payne on television announcing two flights of entitled chancers would be flown home by the taxpayer and put up for a fortnight in a hotel by the taxpayer.

    My oath she is wiiiide when photographed front on.

    She was ever so excited to announce they were all in good health – I have no idea why the dumb cow thought their healthy or diseased status would be of any interest to taxpayer viewers who they are about to thieve from.

    They came off a cruise ship they chose to enjoy, notwithstanding the publicly known fate of the Diamond Princess, and were quite rightly denied access by several countries which didn’t want to share their poxy habits.

    Their fundamental human right to individuality, and to ignore their risk to the health of others, remains undisturbed.

  203. time to fix the G & T

    hey, it’s all in the cloud and the fuzz.

  204. Struth

    Could Dan of the Dead explain again why level 4 restrictions are necessary and what evidence he has to support his contention that retail shops are spreading the virus?

    Here’s the key to all this.
    No one is going to ask him that, we are all in prison, and he’s making shit up as he goes along, as he admits there.
    And it’s all for our own good.
    that’s the beauty of all of this.
    No questions will be tolerated, let alone heard.
    Politician’s wet dream.

  205. egg_

    Teh Dumb:
    Scomoron claims his actions have halved the hospital caseload.

    Fed CMO Global death rate likely 5x that reported.

    NOT 1 Million but 5-10 Million.

  206. Diogenes

    FMD
    nein showing emails that senior doctor on ruby princess said he had 2 passengers with upper respiratory infection, and tested for and negative for the ordinary flu.

    Nsw health said come ashore

  207. egg_

    This is the bullsh1t these cvnts are feeding us.

    Too bad, Oz is going well, eh ‘Elf Nazis?

  208. egg_

    Truth is the first casualty of war.

  209. egg_

    Repeat:

    Scomoron claims his actions have halved the hospital caseload.

  210. C.L.

    It seems that one option is sending the case back to the Victorian Court of Appeal.

    This is a prestige moment of national judicial leadership.
    They won’t be sending it back to Victoria.
    This has implications for criminal trials in every jurisdiction and it’s their job to light the way.

    I’m also more sanguine about the Cardinal being kept where he is for just another week. If he was free on the understanding the judgement would be read later, said judgement would hardly even be heeded. But given the importance of the case, the justices cannot allow that to happen. They have to be heard first. Somebody also pointed out here the other day (Nick, IIRC) that we have to remember that, despite criticisms (including from me), they’ve turned this around in just four weeks. That’s express for the HC.

  211. egg_

    his contention that retail shops are spreading the virus?

    Nice unicorn.

    NOT International travellers?

  212. mh

    I’m with ScoMo

    Scott Morrison says China’s wet markets present “great risks ” to people around the globe and it’s time the World Health Organisation and the United Nations did something about them.

    The Prime Minister made the call after Beijing’s representatives in Canberra attacked two federal government MPs for suggesting China should have to pay other countries coronavirus compensation.

    On 2GB on Friday morning, Alan Jones put it to the PM that “this week the wet markets across China resumed operation. No additional rules, no regulations, fruit bats are still on the menu. What is the world or should the world be doing about this?”

    A wet market in Wuhan, China is believed to be where the coronavirus epidemic began in December last year, crossing from animals to humans.

    Mr Morrison said wet markets were a “very real and significant problem, wherever they exist.”

    “This virus started in China and went round the world – that’s how it started. We all know that, and these wet markets can be a real problem when it comes to what can occur in those markets,” he said.

    “And I think from a world health point of view, this is something the World Health Organisation should do something about.

    “All this money that comes out of the UN and the World Health Organisation … this is why we’ve got to be quite strident on these things in these forums and make sure they are dealing with what are quite serious world health risks.”...

  213. MatrixTransform

    Direct Current

    biggest capacitor evah!

  214. egg_

    Direct Current

    biggest capacitor evah!

    Just a quip, but some are suggesting same nowadays.

  215. make sure they are dealing with what are quite serious world health risks.”

    That’s a surprise.
    Another nuke China advocate.

  216. notafan

    Local servo had sorbent 24 packs for $12.60.

    If they are being restocked, given the one pack rationing in place, the tp run should be over.

    Plus, Quilton were giving away one million rolls.

    If you are over 60 you should be able to access via a charity.

    If you don’t want them as charity, make a donation.

  217. Mindfree:

    The Epoch Times (never heard of it until now) and based in Box Hill (i’m in Melbourne) which is a chinese enclave although a bit ghost town like these days. However, here are some of the headlines and by-lines

    I’ve been a subscriber to the enewspaper for about five months now.
    Good information, solid writing, seems OK.
    Certainly you can see the Chinese people inputting what they think is really going on.
    Good value.

  218. egg_

    Scott Morrison says China’s wet markets present “great risks ” to people around the globe and it’s time the World Health Organisation and the United Nations did something about them.

    So, International travel is the issue, Scomoron?

  219. Boambee John

    CL

    Revised statistics: of 318,100 true enlistments, 20 percent were killed.
    Total hospital admissions for wounding, injury and illness: 750,000.

    I suspect that the 318,100 might be the number who embarked for overseas service. Lots were discharged before embarking, others joined too late to sail.

    Unless things have changed, the best numbers are the WW I Embarkation Roll. (Not the Nominal Roll, which has some issues.)

    Even the Embarkation Roll has issues, including lost data on several batches of South Australian reinforcements. Again, unless the data have been found in the last decade or so.

    BTW, the Embarkation Roll is not the original lists, but seems to have been compiled post war, as it includes details of aliases.

  220. egg_

    Teh Drum:
    Landlords not playing the game properly.
    WTF?

  221. bespoke

    C.L.

    Way Way out on a limb but what do you think he would say if they asked him to stay in until judgment?

    No that they would or can just his not wanting to add the mess we are in.

  222. notafan

    Must be a reason why isolation period is 14 days…

  223. Docket62

    Does anyone else consider this odd:

    Australia, and most of the free world is in lockdown. Policed and enforced
    There are large supply movements in America towards the border and coast of munitions and personnel
    And they have activated the entire National Guard
    Australia and America are clearing hospitals, expanding ICU’s at a great rate and erecting morgues

    It smacks like the world is preparing for something on a large scale and C19 just doesn’t fit

  224. Bruce in WA

    I honestly believe if they persist in this 6-month bullshit there will be mass civil disobedience, especially from younger people and, if the authorities’ response is inappropriately over-the-top, there will be blood in the streets.

    From the Worst Australian today.

    WA could face three waves of increased coronavirus infections this year, with the pandemic and resulting disruption stretching into next year, experts have warned.

    Three waves have been seen in previous influenza pandemics, including the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

    Christopher Blyth, a leading researcher into infectious diseases at the University of Western Australia, said whether WA saw three waves depended on the interventions put in place to stop the spread.

    “Social distancing and other such interventions limit transmission. The more effective these interventions, the lower the number of new cases observed,” he said.

    “If you have a susceptible population, once these interventions are lifted, the number of infections is likely again to rise. Waves will continue to occur until either the population is immune or we have a vaccine to drive population immunity.”

    Dr Blyth said people would be susceptible until they had been infected or protected by a vaccine. Researchers are racing to develop a vaccine but a final product is unlikely to be available until 2021.

    WA health industry leader and practising GP Marcus Tan said he expected to see two more waves of coronavirus to hit the community after the current first wave peaks over the next few weeks and the number of new cases drops off.

    We’re thinking it’ll be another two or three months before people start going back to work. It’s at that point that we’re hitting winter, the time of a double whammy of the flu and potential uptick of coronavirus,” he said.

    Dr Tan, who is on the board of the Australian Medical Association WA and boss of medical appointment booking platform Healthengine, said cold weather encouraged people to congregate indoors, creating density and causing the virus to spread.

    He said he expected the third wave to hit in December or January if borders reopened to international travel, coinciding with the northern hemisphere winter.

    “We’ll start to get imported cases from North America and other places where there’s cold weather,” Dr Tan said. “We’ll start to see an uptick there but again smaller than the second wave.”

    Dr Blyth said once COVID-19’s progression has been halted or slowed, the current restrictions could be relaxed, but with close monitoring to make sure the epidemic did not take off again.

    “With the likely time to a vaccine still months away, perhaps longer, it is hard to see us stepping back completely to normal within the next six months,” he said.

  225. NoFixedAddress

    Infidel Tiger
    #3391183, posted on April 3, 2020 at 5:57 pm

    Can’t wait to see what Stage 17 restrictions are.

    That’s when they do in-house body dismemberments of healthy survivors for the daigou to supply the Morloch wet markets.

    Grigs has the franchise for the skins

  226. egg_

    I honestly believe if they persist in this 6-month bullshit there will be mass civil disobedience, especially from younger people and, if the authorities’ response is inappropriately over-the-top, there will be blood in the streets.

    +1

    The Bondi backpacker revellers looked in their 20-30s – the owner said some had been laid off their jobs, so a bit of leniency wouldn’t hurt.

  227. Ellie

    Calli – I just realised that your comment directed at me last night, for which you apologised, needed me to be following the open forum to get the gist/context. I’m an essential service provider, who is struggling. Sorry that I can’t keep up. Fucking madness out there. Looking for sanity in amongst the madness.

  228. calli

    It smacks like the world is preparing for something on a large scale and C19 just doesn’t fit

    You echo my darkest thoughts, Docket. It all seems so disproportionate.

    I hope it’s just the power hungry having their heads for a while.

  229. johanna

    One thing you can bet your house on, when Lizzie says she is leaving, she never does. That goes for her numerous flounces and her daily missives.

    You’re not much fun at a party, are you?

    That, you sanctimonious cow, is something you will never be able to provide evidence for.

    Not that evidence is your strong suit.

    Are the double medallists skyping in daily?

  230. Tel

    It smacks like the world is preparing for something on a large scale and C19 just doesn’t fit

    There’s this (if you are superstitious, I’m not) :

    I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a corona was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

    You know that White Horse Temple is North of Wuhan, oldest Buddhist temple in China. Next comes war:

    And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from Earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

    Mystical prophecy claptrap if you ask me … but if you get a chance to restock toilet paper.

  231. NoFixedAddress

    Docket62
    #3391212, posted on April 3, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    Does anyone else consider this odd:

    Australia, and most of the free world is in lockdown. Policed and enforced

    China Is Preparing to Start a War with America
    By William L. Gensert

    China appears to be laying the groundwork for a “justified” attack on the United States, perhaps in the South China Sea or perhaps elsewhere. It will be a military attack, not an act of terrorism, and the excuse will be America’s deliberate transmission of COVID-19 in Wuhan.

    When the Chinese became accusatory, it’s telling that they didn’t blame the CIA, always the usual suspect. No, they blamed it on American soldiers.

    American military deliberately infecting China is an act of war worthy of a military response.

    In October, the 2019 World Military Games were held in Wuhan. Chinese media triumphantly trumpeted the Americans winning just eight medals, while China won 239. It was then that we supposedly infected Wuhan citizens with the “American virus.”

    China is now defenestrating foreign media, sending home reporters from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post at just the opportune moment. No nation wants journalists around when it is planning a sneak attack.

    And with its economy ravaged by Trump’s trade war and the virus shutdown, and now back at full production, while America’s economy is in total shutdown and in the grip of an active pandemic, there will never be a better time to attack.

    Here in America, the Democrats along with corporate media eagerly buy China’s lies surrounding the nascence of the worldwide pandemic, the propaganda blaming America, the stories of Chinese benevolence, and the efficiency of Chinese methods in getting control of the virus at home. They are actively supporting China’s version of the truth. China has every reason to believe they will continue to do so.

    When or if China attacks, the left (the Dems, Antifa, and BLM) will flood the streets with anti-war protesters designed to stop America from responding to China’s attacks. After all, don’t we deserve it? We elected Trump, didn’t we?

    China claims there are no new infections when there is ample evidence that that claim is a lie. But the Chinese know that by the time people understand, it will be too late. They will have struck, and any new cases will be used to bolster their casus belli. Those Chinese who perish in the interim of silence will have died for the fatherland.

    Top that Anne

  232. calli

    All good Ellie. I had had a rotten day and probably not a good time to be contributing.

  233. bundyrum

    Johanna stop it, didn’t you read upthread from the cruise princess that her father was involved in the development of the merlin engine during WW2.
    Maybe one day we will hear one of her relatives was a garbo, doubt it though.

  234. mh

    So, International travel is the issue, Scomoron?

    Chinese disease combined with Chinese travel is the issue, yes.

    The Chinese are travelling in numbers to every nation on earth.

    Morrison is right. The Chinese animal markets are a threat to the health of the world.

  235. Ellie

    Calli – I just caught up on things. You are usually the gal that calms the farm here. I understand the anxiety. It is not a weakness. X

  236. notafan

    Large scale what?

    If you can’t articulate what the world wide ‘real’ issue is then I can’t be worrying about it.

    And I’m not.

    Nor do I have high expectations of our politicians who are operating with limited information.

    I think they are overreacting, but they aren’t the only ones.

    No vaccine.

    We already know the young and healthy do not get particularly sick.

    After Easter should be back to work.

    Adam in the Netherlands thought he might have it.

    What say you?

  237. Mater

    “If I’m planning for it then VIctorians have a right to know and I am looking at a number of different steps and further measures that I believe will save lives.

    I’ll believe that he’s serious only after he closes the Construction sites and puts his well paid ‘mates’ on the dole.

  238. Struth

    I’ve just posted my little rant on Facebook, regarding the QLD government, please feel free to do the same, copy and paste.
    It’s getting lots of likes and shares.

  239. Ellie

    I am with Stimpy. I understand him. I am with him. No judgment at all.

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