Open Forum: April 4, 2020

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  1. NoFixedAddress

    incoherent rambler
    #3393863, posted on April 5, 2020 at 11:20 am

    the price of a human life

    Shirley, the price is set by the market.
    Y’know, supply, demand and all that.

    Anyway, who is selling them?

    The enlightened land of Libya

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    TheirABC didn’t think it was worth mentioning …

    The ABC does not do humour.

  3. Arky

    If you want to know the price of a human life, it isn’t hard.
    You have one.
    How much are you willing to give it to me for?

  4. Yes you do but my bet is many people including your own family are glad you hear (sic) and not bothering them.

    My hearing is dodgy, as a result of “characteristic exposure to small arms fire” according to my audiologist who set me up with hearing aids (DVA supplied at your expense – thanks muchly) which I never wear, except to mass so I can hear (that word again) the sermon.
    Mass is online now, so the aids have sat in their box for a while.

  5. Roger

    Re the price of a life actuarialists do make calculations which are used by insurance companies to determine the cost-benefit ratio of medical procedures.

  6. Delta A

    P
    #3393691, posted on April 5, 2020 at 9:41 am
    The Donkey

    Thanks, P. That took me back to my childhood.

  7. notafan

    VR.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Brahmin left.

    Nice.

    Not paying your domestic servants while self isolating.

    Lovely.

  8. MatrixTransform

    Tax strike.

    next announcement … the army will be “supporting” the tax office

  9. Dan’s Used Life Yard.

    Lot’s of great condition, low Ks lives for sale.
    Hurry, hurry, hurry! This sale won’t last long.

  10. Off you go lad, denigrate the Americans and boost the Commos, that’s you (sic) style.

    The only person entitled to call me “lad” was my mother who died twenty years ago.
    As for “denigrating the Americans”, I don’t have to do that.
    They make a pretty good job of it all by themselves.

  11. JC

    Seriously, that price of a human life is a bit of a taboo question. There must be a literature of benefit-cost

    Oh yes you can. It’s madness what is going on. In Italy the average age of the dead is 83. Life expectancy is 82.5 years there last time I looked. This means the lock down is costing an 100s of millions of euros per life with no statistical life expectancy!

    There are four groups.

    1. Young and healthy
    2. Older and healthy
    3. All ages with health issues
    4. The old

    It’s the last two groups that should be isolated and most certainly not the first two.

    It’s not like the Spanish flu at all because those who were dying as a result of the Spanish flu were the young. The old had developed immunity from previous related infections, which is why they weren’t getting it.

    We’re destroying our economy to save those (who could actually be saved with isolation) with no statistical life expectancy. Absolute madness.

    Additionally, we’re attempting to prevent herd immunity, which is going to occur anyway whether we like it or not.

    My daughter who is with us now, knows at around 8 or so of her pals in NYC who have had it and it was nothing other than a bad cold. All these people are late 20s and early 30s.

  12. Ellie

    I’m making a lemon meringue tart with a shortbread and almond base. Love lemon curd topped with soft peaks of meringue. ❤

  13. Ellie

    It’s for my afternoon visitor.

  14. Bar Beach Swimmer

    This morning, for some reason a lot of the music videos won’t open. Any ideas why?

  15. Roger

    This morning, for some reason a lot of the music videos won’t open. Any ideas why?

    They’re self-isolating.

  16. JC

    Arky
    #3393887, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:37 am

    If you want to know the price of a human life, it isn’t hard.
    You have one.
    How much are you willing to give it to me for?

    Yes, but you’re not 85 years old suffering heart failure and diabetes. Unfortunately, every oldster has some degree of heart failure. All heart failure means is that your heart isn’t functioning as well as it used to, which causes potential problems with the respiratory system… how the lungs and heart work together.

  17. stackja

    Concentrate the unfit into camps?

  18. mh

    Qld has 9 new cases.

    Heard the Premier state that nearly all cases in Qld are cruise passenger related.

  19. Mindfree

    So Irish MMA champion Connor McGregor wants the military to lockdown Ireland due to Cov-19

    https://www.sportingnews.com/au/mma/news/coronavirus-ufc-star-conor-mcgregor-wants-irish-military-to-enforce-lockdown/edd82smc0ixn1cdj5bfqr041s

    A “trusted” voice to get out the message?

  20. James Fallows traces the bureaucratic clusterf**k that produced the M-16 and its ammunition. From The Atlantic before it went woke and stupid:

    This blog is a trick.
    I post upthread about how the US military stuffed up over their refusal to use the FAL over the M1 Garand, which was an inferior piece of kit.
    Numerous others report a similar set of stuff ups about the M-16, (which cost lives before the issues were sorted) but nobody accuses them of anti-American bias.
    On Catallaxy, truth is relative…..

  21. Steve trickler

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3393903, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:47 am
    This morning, for some reason a lot of the music videos won’t open. Any ideas why?

    Restart your computer

  22. Arky

    Yes, but you’re not 85 years blah blah blah

    ..
    I asked you to price your life.
    No one else’s is yours to sell.

  23. Tom

    I like tart.

    Even if she has tramp stamps and wears moccasins?

  24. johanna

    Zatara at 11.27 – that was awesome. I have heard that Noo Joisey has a bluegrass scene – and here it is. It seems weird in a locality dominated by Italians and Poles, but there it is. God Bless America.

  25. 132andBush

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3393764, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:28 am

    Brilliant!

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    As an indicator of cruise ship participation and those who insist on doing so, this is the overarching sentiment from one of the Ruby Princess survivors (the Hun):

    ‘The Rod Stewart impersonator was very good’

    And people wonder why they have purpose-built morgues.

  27. Infidel Tiger

    If we had sunk all cruise ships entering Australian waters, not only would we be disease free right now, but our Navy would be battle hardened and have a much needed pep in their step.

  28. JC

    mh
    #3393909, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Qld has 9 new cases.

    Heard the Premier state that nearly all cases in Qld are cruise passenger related.

    I don’t think it’s that important. We seem to be stuck on the idea that it was thems cruise ships that gave it to us. Look, there was no real way to stop it infecting the crowd and if it didn’t come here by ship, it would have arrived by plane… which it did anyway.

    If Australians are really worried about it getting here, we should never be allowed to travel overseas and also not allow anyone to come here again.

  29. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3393919, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:55 am

    If we had sunk all cruise ships entering Australian waters, not only would we be disease free right now, but our Navy would be battle hardened and have a much needed pep in their step.

    Cruise ships should be banned anyway, because they’re disgusting disease carrying barges. But we shouldn’t ban them because of the China bug.

  30. Bar Beach Swimmer

    They’re self-isolating

    Roger: 😁

    Restart your computer
    Steve: on my phone

  31. Mindfree

    Tax Strike

    Wouldn’t try that tactic unless you have squillions to spend. That is one area where our inept political masters become very effective especially dragging you through the process of the legal system and the associated bureaucracies.

    They don’t need the military to help them out but could employ strong arm force if needed. This is one area where the true face of governments get revealed

  32. JC

    The Germans seem to be doing an excellent job of protecting the oldsters as the average age of contraction is about 20 years lower than Italy. I think the reason is that the family structure is looser than in Italy perhaps.

  33. bespoke

    1735099

    Meh! I only get frustrated with my self about my spelling difficulties and laugh at people using it as a cheep shot because they have to counter my point but you being so ‘special’ it’s an added bonus of exposing you for what you really are.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    China, cruise ships and high density living are the greatest threats to humanity.

    We need to end all of them.

  35. cohenite

    It’s a public service.

    The only public service you could do you scabrous fuck is to FOAD.

    Head prefect has shares in P&O.

  36. mh

    JC, you are still obsessed with this herd immunity concept. COVID-19 has already mutated, and there is no vaccine.

    The best option is to quarantine for life the types in our community who go on cruises.

  37. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3393929, posted on April 5, 2020 at 11:01 am

    China, cruise ships and high density living are the greatest threats to humanity.

    We need to end all of them.

    Artie, would you ban these? Going on, tell us with a straight face you wouldn’t own this if you could afford it.

  38. P

    P #3393691, posted on April 5, 2020 at 9:41 am

    The Donkey
    Thanks, P. That took me back to my childhood.

    Cheers, Delta.

    GK Chesterton, a Catholic, explored theological and existential truths through fiction and poetry. For him, theology and imagination were intimately connected. As he wrote in Orthodoxy: ‘I had always felt life first as a story: and if there is a story there is a story-teller.’ His writing would later inspire the atheist CS Lewis to convert.

    The story in this case grasps the easily forgotten absurdity of Palm Sunday: a prophesied King of Israel entered Jerusalem not on a throne or with an army at his side, but on a donkey. This animal, easily cast aside, has hosted majesty like no other creature has. The reverence this animal has for its Messianic rider challenges the audience: they’re encouraged to recover the immense wonder in the familiar biblical scene.

    There’s a wider point not just about Easter but human life: we’re invited to see in the lowly and unimpressive glimpses of glory and supreme dignity. All humanity is graced to be made in the image of God, and like Balaam’s Ass in the Old Testament, its often through rejected, unexpected outsiders that God chooses to speak his wisdom.

    In a society still so susceptible to surface-level judgements, confusing image and integrity, it’s a timely warning from Chesterton. It’s God – not human judgments – who gives creatures their glorious dignity.

    Link

  39. Steve trickler

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3393923, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:58 am
    They’re self-isolating

    Roger: 😁

    Restart your computer
    Steve: on my phone

    Switch off, switch on, Give it a go.

  40. bespoke

    price of a human

    No what’s the price of freedom? Or When doe’s safety become oppressive?.

  41. Arky

    China, cruise ships and high density living are the greatest threats to humanity.

    ..
    No.
    People’s tendency to want something for nothing is the greatest threat to humanity.

  42. Roger

    Re the price of a life actuarialists do make calculations which are used by insurance companies to determine the cost-benefit ratio of medical procedures.

    Here we are:

    The statistical value of a human life in Australia (in 2014 $):

    $4.2m, or $182000 p.a.

    From the Office of the PM.

  43. Rockdoctor

    Public service announcement. New fred…

  44. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Ok, what ever the answer is…we’re back to normal (unless it happens again)

  45. Arky

    No what’s the price of freedom? Or When doe’s safety become oppressive?.

    ..
    Yes.
    They weren’t even asking the right question.

  46. JC

    JC, you are still obsessed with this herd immunity concept. COVID-19 has already mutated, and there is no vaccine.

    Of course it has “mutated”. Every replica organism is a mutation. The difference here is that there’s very little mutation in the sense that a vaccine can be made to keep things within the spectrum of the mutation. And, like the flu shot, you can get a shout carrying different mutations of the flu.

    The best option is to quarantine for life the types in our community who go on cruises.

    That goes without saying.

  47. Steve trickler

    . Give it a go.
    Preview on your phone, watch at home.

  48. Save some tart Ellie. Most appreciated 👍
    Small mercies, The Sunday Footy Show is on. Barrett on suggesting that the season might resume in June. Should never have stopped. Haven’t seen any AFL figures, except for some Collingwood nobody who doesn’t play exhibit any symptoms.

  49. cohenite

    JC, you are still obsessed with this herd immunity concept. COVID-19 has already mutated, and there is no vaccine.

    The chunk virus is very stable; I did hear about some mutation being benign. The point is the Horseshoe Bat virus from which the chunk virus allegedly mutated from (bullshit) is also stable and not capable of infecting humans.

    There’s a lot of unexplained shit about the chunk virus.

  50. JC

    mh

    I’d bet a few dollars that my kid’s pals have had it. I didn’t hear they were tested, but it’s likely most of them have had it. If you’re young the chances of living though it are 99.7%. Those are very, very decent odds.

  51. Cassie of Sydney

    “People’s tendency to want something for nothing is the greatest threat to humanity.”

    Yep..and it has a name…globalism.

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘This means the lock down is costing an 100s of millions of euros per life with no statistical life expectancy’

    Harsh yet true.

    Actually, it’s not even harsh. And as true in Eurotrashland as it is here.

    These appalling substitutes for leaders are so mortified at the prospect of making a decision that will adversely affect a demographic of people – who, I might add, and according to the commentary on this site at least, support being isolated so the country can get on with it – whose rellos will undoubtedly put a photo of them on SnapChat with ‘PM the killer’ or somesuch on it when they die. Not of coronavirus, but of its complications.

    And complications which beat every other complication which affects the elderly and/or frail, but only by a short head.

    A nation’s entire leadership in mortal terror of a bunch of 20 something journos who don’t wear socks, and whose entire employment is based on the premise of creating drama. Fucking embarrassing.

  53. JC

    There’s a lot of unexplained shit about the chunk virus.

    Unexplained means stuff you would never be able to understand. It would be like trying to explain what a bank balance is to my pet dog.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Black Ball

    #3393960, posted on April 5, 2020 at 11:11 am

    Save some tart Ellie. Most appreciated 
    Small mercies, The Sunday Footy Show is on. Barrett on suggesting that the season might resume in June. Should never have stopped. 

    Ah, yes, the ever smarmy Barrett can feel the gravy train screeching to a halt.

  55. johanna

    I don’t think it’s that important. We seem to be stuck on the idea that it was thems cruise ships that gave it to us. Look, there was no real way to stop it infecting the crowd and if it didn’t come here by ship, it would have arrived by plane… which it did anyway.

    JC for Deputy CMO in NSW. He’s a shoo in.

  56. amortiser

    I’m getting tired of being sawn in half.

    You should be called Zippy.

  57. Keith Forwheels

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3393778, posted on April 5, 2020 at 10:32 am

    The British Army used the 7.62 Bren, but I don’t think Australia did.

    They did – the L4 7.62 was on issue in the early 1970’s.

    And still being lugged around by ARes as late as the early 1990’s, along with sound ranging gear…. lol… 🤣

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did I just hear someone denouncing dancing and raffles?

    Or was that just not yet? 🙂

    We certainly have a New Puritanism on the rise.

    Spoke to my autistic grandson on the phone yesterday? How are you going with all of this self-isolation, I cheerfully and unthinkingly asked.

    Grandma, he said after taking a little time to think, I am always self-isolating.

    It broke my heart. He is such a sweet smart and essentially lonely kid and missing his social interaction therapies. Such a terrible deficit he lives with and struggles to overcome.

    Congratulations, I replied. You are ahead of the curve there.

    He picked it up immediately and seriously agreed, and we chatted for a while about some video game that lives within his head and currently obsesses him. Watch your ‘health’ I say about one of the ‘weapons’ in the game. I will, he promised intently, taking my seasoned advice in the field of gaming.

    We go to the movies together but can’t do that now.

  59. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He is only ten years old.

  60. Ed Case

    They make a pretty good job of it all by themselves.

    American troops were always notorious for abuses and murders of women.
    See: Louis Emmett Till Sr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till

  61. lotocoti

    Just passed the Greppos applying the hot needle of inquiry to a yoot on a skateboard for being a yoot on a skateboard. Sent from my feckin TV because feckin iMacs die after only 11 years.

  62. MatrixTransform

    being so ‘special’ it’s an added bonus of exposing you for what you really are.

    has the retard-in-chief gone Full Pratt already … ffs!

  63. Dr Faustus

    “Sky News is aware of tapes of phone calls from the ship to NSW Port Authorities in which the ship made it clear it did not believe there were cases of coronavirus on board before it was given permission to dock,” he said.

    So, a ship’s doctor, with no/limited clinical experience with Covid19 and no test kits, and his skipper wanting disembarkation, “did not believe” the unidentified non-flu RTI was Covid19.

    And NSW Health accepts this as Low Risk.

    Luckily for Hazzard and Chant, the NSW Police expert medical risk assessment team is on the case.

  64. Salvatore:

    There’s nothing to do. The full timers are still cutting out their holiday pay.
    None of the staff have left, they’re all living in the staff quarters with not a clue what to do.
    They’ve nowhere to go, nowhere they can go.

    The side of the economy the bureaucrats never see.
    My deepest sympathies, Salvatore, to you and your staff.

  65. egg_

    Case no.s halfing but Vic ‘Elf Nazi ramping up the rhetoric.

    Scenes of a mum and kid having a small BBQ on UK beach being shooed off by Plod FFS.

    Any manner of insanity is justified by Authorotarion fvckwits at the moment.

    You have a 50% chance of getting the virus in the next 12 months.

    Deal.

  66. egg_

    ‘Elf Rep saying plain clothes and even at work Medics being abused and even spat on by Joe Public.

    The madness of crowds.

    You brought this hysteria on yourselves.

    Karma.

  67. Arky

    You have a 50% chance of getting the virus in the next 12 months

    ..
    I’ll feel more comfortable getting it once they have the treatment regime down pat and the peak is over.
    After that, yep, we are going to have to live with it.
    The sooner they have a treatment regime that works, the sooner this thing is over.
    That is why Chloroquine matters.
    It’s why having the ability to manufacture drugs onshore matters.
    Other than that, pump out the masks and get people to wear them. They fucked that up too by the way with their fucked communications over masks. All because they found themselves without any.

  68. egg_

    It may have been Dutton’s Dept administering the database that the ship’s Captain of Ruby Princess entered their medical records concerning flu cases.
    Numpties all round.
    Ex Plod covering his @rse?

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Luckily for Hazzard and Chant, the NSW Police expert medical risk assessment team is on the case.

    a small tweak and their radar detectors can be repurposed as chicom fever detectors

  70. egg_

    I’ll feel more comfortable getting it once they have the treatment regime down pat and the peak is over.

    So you support the current lockdown in support of the CMOs?

  71. egg_

    The UK risk curves have been posted many times – lockdown achieves sweet FA.

    I can repost for the Nth time, for the slow learners.

  72. JC

    The economic might of the US is jawdropping.

    3M
    @3M
    ·
    Mar 23
    In the U.S., we are producing 35 million respirators per month. More than 500,000 respirators are on the way to two of the more critically impacted areas, New York and Seattle, with arrivals expected starting tomorrow. Read full statement here:
    https://s.3m.com/2QC4XjK 3/3

  73. amortiser

    “People’s tendency to want something for nothing is the greatest threat to humanity.”

    Yep..and it has a name…globalism.

    It’s name is delusion. Try eating your cake before you bake it.

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