Why are we not doing the same, and cutting salaries as well?

Now they are starting to get serious.

START CUTTING DOWN ALL NON-ESSENTIAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES/SERVICES. WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD THEM, AFTER HITTING OUR ECONOMY WITH A HAMMER AND DANCING WITH LUNACY:  COVID-19: massive unemployment, except in government.

This will never come to an end unless these useless drones are feeling some pressure themselves.

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61 Responses to Why are we not doing the same, and cutting salaries as well?

  1. Vagabond

    The first on the block has got to be all the federal and state human rights commissions followed by the various anti-discrimination parasites

  2. Robber Baron

    It’s time to decimate the public sector.

  3. 132andBush

    And then decimate it again.

  4. mem

    And at a local government level get rid of all the community meeting organizers, climate change developers and other nonsensical workers with big titles that do nothing but disperse ratepayers money and siphon off government grants. Back to roads, rubbish and repairs for councils that are overblown with their own importance and pay staff well beyond their worth with extras such as cars, travel and accommodation. Then reduce the rates by 20% !!!!

  5. Hay Stockard

    A good start could be made with some of the administrators in NSW public health.

  6. Professor Fred Lenin

    The amount of additional debt incurred by this will preclude frivolous spending on global leftist nonsense particularly the climate scam . Buildings cpa; fired power stations making electricity cheap again will encourage industry creating jobs and paying tax to reduce the massive debt some caused bho the virus but as much by foolish spending by career politicians trying to keep their miserable little careers .
    This would be a good time for a populist patriotic nationalist party to drain the swamp created by the elites tp maintain their hold on power .

  7. candy

    Why are we paying the House of Representatives members. They are doing nothing. Utterly nothing.

    It would not hurt for them to have to peruse Centrelink to seek a payment to help them get by like millions of other Australians. But they are ensconced on about $200,00o salary and doing absolutely nothing.

  8. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    [Your continued aggression towards the posters is unacceptable. You are permanently banned from posting at the Cat. Sinc]

  9. NoFixedAddress

    Elderly White Man From Skipton
    #3393345, posted on April 4, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    Says the guy whose career has been on the teat! Shameless.

    So you don’t think it’s a good idea then Skip?

  10. Howard Hill

    One easy way to fix it all. STOP paying your taxes, now is the perfect time. Starve the beast!

  11. Beachcomber

    Professor Fred Lenin at 9:57 pm

    This would be a good time for a populist patriotic nationalist party to drain the swamp created by the elites to maintain their hold on power .

    Yes. It’s a terrible shame that Corey Bernardi threw a hissy fit after the last election and destroyed the Australian Conservatives.

  12. mareeS

    Robber Baron, not decimate, that’s only 10%. I would go for disintegrate. Totally.

  13. GD

    Professor Fred Lenin at 9:57 pm

    This would be a good time for a populist patriotic nationalist party to drain the swamp created by the elites to maintain their hold on power

    Beachcomber wrote at 3:00am

    Yes. It’s a terrible shame that Corey Bernardi threw a hissy fit after the last election and destroyed the Australian Conservatives

    We need a Trump to push back against the Green Blob. ScoMo doesn’t have the balls, and Cory, as you say, threw a hissy fit.

    We should never have got rid of Tony Abbott.

  14. How about, in the first instance, we start cutting subsidies to useless industries such as renewables, the yarts and everything else that relies on subsidies to exist.

  15. Ken

    New Budget date is 6 October and Matthias Cormann already is saying no tax increases to start to repay the debt… that only leaves a massive cut in the public service. Canberra is about to become a ghost town

  16. Clam Chowdah

    It’s time to decimate the public sector.

    Cut it by 10%? Because that’s what decimate means. Just saying.

  17. duncanm

    If the government doesn’t use this once in a millenia gift of an excuse to go in hard on every possible lesbian basket weaving yarts group, human rights quangos, and the public service in general, then there really is no hope for them.

  18. Clam Chowdah

    Says the guy whose career has been on the teat! Shameless.

    Yes how funny. And taking out frivolous subscriptions to The Age at a time when we are all suffering.

  19. Iampeter

    But how will your regulate trade and immigration?
    How will you pass trillion dollar spending bills if you shrink government?
    Don’t you want to save Western civilization anymore?

  20. Entropy

    Scotty from Marketing is pretty keen on establishing Executive Agencies within PM&C that “oversee” the delivery of programs across federal, state and territory agencies. They don’t actually deliver anything themselves, just claim they have done the work actually done by others. The obvious thing to do is end these fourth tier of government entities with prejudice. One of the figureheads of these boondoggles, Shane Stone, is aware of the risk to his gravy train and has made a pre-emotive move:

    One of Scott Morrison’s closest advisers, Drought Coordinator-General Shane Stone has called on senior public servants to take a 50 percent pay cut as the government deals with the coronavirus crisis.

    “You can’t just say the words, you’ve got to mean it and one way the senior executive service at a federal, state and territory level can mean it, is to take a pay cut in their salary packages,” he said.

    Mr Stone, who earns a salary in excess of $500,000 a year, said it was a small sacrifice at a time when up to two million people could find themselves unemployed.

    “I’m up for it. One in, all in though,” Mr Stone said.

    Better to lose some cash, particularly if you are already on a fat politician’s pension, than to lose the lot.

  21. Entropy

    No pun intended of course.

  22. duncanm

    Drought Coordinator-General Shane Stone

    droughts mostly over – sack him.

  23. Texas Jack

    Here’s a start –
    ABC and SBS – sell the meagre viable carcass – shut the rest and sell the real estate
    French subs? Gone – negotiate with the US to allow Australia to be the only country to buy Virginia boats
    Snowy II? Gone
    Renewables anything? Gone
    Federal agencies? Halve immediately
    Gonski residual? Cancel
    Family tax benefit A and B? Gone
    GST exemptions? Gone
    PS Super Contributions? Immediately back to 9.5%

  24. Clam Chowdah

    I love Shane Stone calling for a 50% pay cut when it means he’ll still be on 260k PLUS, per the article.

    What a c-nut.

  25. Entropy

    And doing what a AS in the ag department could do. Actually strike, that, an AS would have more responsibility and less staff.

  26. nfw

    The drones won’t be interested in “suffering” along with everybody else. I can hear all the Sir Humphreys now telling their pliant ministers they need more staff to cope with all the paperwork (sic). More staff is more power in the twisted minds of bureaucracy; take away staff and they are meaningless at the top. Let the real producers in society suffer as long as politicians and public servants enjoy being paid.

  27. Des Deskperson

    ‘ They don’t actually deliver anything themselves, just claim they have done the work actually done by others.’

    Well, yes but some of them – like the National Indigenous Australians Agency – are simply re-badged versions – for the sake of image, presumably – of functions already long undertaken – for better or worse – by the Federal government. Getting rid of the NIAA – although I’m told that its employees are never to use that acronym, for obvious reasons – would be extremely difficult.

    While I am all for rational cuts to APS functions, they should be accompanied by a rigorous review of performance management policies and practices that currently make it impossible, for all practical purposes, to sack duds and slackers.

    I’m less enthusiastic about pay cuts. APS employees in key areas are currently working flat out to implement the government’s current, err, policies. A young woman I know – an EL1 in a central agency – is currently putting in a ten hour day from home while having now to pay her own heat, light, power and to find office furniture ‘at work’. The idiocies of the current government are not her fault, and to suggest she should take a pay cut is stupid and insulting. The Senior Executive Service, with a different and much more generous ‘remuneration package’ that includes the much-coveted private plated car, is in a somewhat better position to make a token sacrifice.

    And of course the ADF – where , in my experience, the ‘staff’ areas at least are bloated, lazy and inefficient, should not be immune from cuts.

  28. Entropy

    I think we need it recognise that a lot of public servants are actually working pretty hard at the moment* regardless of what can be termed the popular image of the idle public servant.
    that does not mean there are areas of the public service that could be eliminated and no one would notice, like ScoMos executive Agencies, the plethora of Commissions headed up by political mates, grants funding bodies (well the snouts would notice those), and certainly at federal level, the armies of ministerial staffers, and the multitude of ministerial positions themselves. There would be massive savings just by whittling those back. And then there is the joke of a political perk where you get paid more to be on a committee. Kill that! Then you have the massive growth in federal duplication of state roles since 2007 which has not slowed down. Always remember the feds are no good at delivery.

    *there are significant areas of the public service where already high work loads are accelerating with the added complication of doing it from home.

  29. What’s happened with the Queensland public service demand for a 3% pay rise? The decision was supposed to have been made a day or so ago. Has this been approved? If so, the chook should be ashamed of herself.

  30. Entropy

    You know though Des that if there were cuts it would be the key areas where the doers are located that would be most at risk. They are too busy. And honest.
    The bullshitters will survive any cuts.

  31. Fat Tony

    Des Deskperson
    #3393641, posted on April 5, 2020 at 8:58 am
    ….. in a somewhat better position to make a token sacrifice.

    Des – we not talking about “token sacrifices” – they should be thrown on the shit heap – have to stand in the dole queue like a million or so of what was deemed “non-essential” workers.
    Fuck them.
    If they don’t share the pain, this will never end until this country is a third-world shit hole

  32. Entropy

    The QPS pay rise has been stopped, bemused.

    The only people complaining are the union heavies.”Bad as the Newman years! “ they croak. Sort of a formula, ritual complaint, their heart isn’t in it because the election is only six months away.

  33. duncanm

    Entropy
    #3393652, posted on April 5, 2020 at 9:04 am

    I think we need it recognise that a lot of public servants are actually working pretty hard at the moment*

    definitely – health is the obvious example.

    *but* – don’t we all get that sort of squeeze and shit at work when a big push comes on? That’s part of the deal.

    .. and the quangos and useless muck should either be repurposed at helping the organisations under pressure, or dumped forthwith to help share the burden on the public purse.

  34. Des Deskperson

    ‘The bullshitters will survive any cuts.’

    ‘Corporate’ and in particular ‘Learning and Development’ always escape.

    The OPT – over-promoted trainer – always survives.

  35. The QPS pay rise has been stopped, bemused.

    Excellent. For a while I thought that this crap was going to be passed, shitting on every person out of work or soon to be out of work. It would have been political suicide as well.

  36. Aynsley Kellow

    Perhaps we need a competition for the most ridiculous waste of public money.

    My entry would be on Friday two pairs of parking officers (they usually hunt alone) patrolling opposite sides of Salamanca Place which had all or 20 cars parked there – about 10% of capacity.

  37. sfw

    My income fell by 50% yesterday could be more if my tenant can’t reopen the motel within 12 weeks. The pain seems all one way. Why did they give dole recipients more money when they weren’t working in the first place? I’m becoming depressed.

  38. max

    Yes all government employees should get same as ordinary Joe lunch bucket is getting – in my case they say $1500 per fortnight.

  39. Bronson

    Excellent chance for any government in australia with a spine (break here for huge belly laugh) to reassess the extent of its public service and eliminate those parts permanently that have over reached into day to day life and ecomomic activity of us the plebs. Then they could go back through what is left and prune it back to primary purpose and basic service provision.

  40. Des Deskperson

    ‘I love Shane Stone calling for a 50% pay cut when it means he’ll still be on 260k PLUS, per the article.’

    BTW, Shane Stone was Chief Minister for the NT of four years back in the nineties. He would have a considerable parliamentary pension to supplement his salary as Drought Coordinator-General. Is he offering up half of this pension as well??

  41. Shaun

    Government systems and personnel need to be changed. Waste is waste. A lot of top heavy middle management. Duplicate and triplicate departments in the same sectors. Expensive external consultants. Grants to meaningless applications. Our public service institutions are filled with ideology contributing to this.
    Higher pay, higher super contributions, more annual leave, access to vehicles. These are just some of privileges given to public sector. It is bloated. Public sector is continually growing, getting bigger and intruding on society space and peoples lives more and more. Local councils are getting into areas that have nothing to do with them, should be merged or even privatised.
    Change can only come from the people. But to make change we need sacrifice and fight. We are the ones that allow it to happen every day.
    Our governments have spent the last ten years giving billions and billions of dollars away to the energy sector, we even had a government blow up a perfectly good power station, as part of a huge experiment, when that power station could provide based load power to the citizens. The same government then spent taxpayers money on diesel generators for emergency power backup. Government governing for themselves, not for the people. Decisions made on Covid-19 first and foremost, second and third are all about protecting government and themselves. The citizenry come a distant last.
    Don’t worry, they may have stopped their pay rise, but you can be sure as anything that when they finally do get it, it will be backdated. Stew on that for a minute.

  42. Bad Samaritan

    Professor Fred (9.57pm) I see no actual increase in debt coming from this BS, since they are employing Avccounting sleight-of-hand (Quantitative Easing) which allows the debt to disappear, as follows.

    Imagine my Mrs loses her $1000 pw (nett) job and I decide to give her an allowance of $275 per week so’s she can keep on spending something to keep her happy. I don’t have any excess dough, so i borrow it from a bank at 5% and give it to her to spend; thus creating demand. Now I owe $275 each week and the interest. My wage is also $1000 nett so our aggregate demand is now $1275, and there’s the debt +interest lurking in the background..

    But, what if my son (initials RBA) has found a pile of cash on the roadside (money out of thin air), and I ask him to lend me the $275 each week at no interest, which he does, and which the Mrs gets. Now aggregate demand is $1275 and there’s still the debt as before…except….

    In the second case, what if sonny (initials RBA) says after a while when mum’s back at work “I’m giving you debt relief and you owe me nothing”? Where is the interest-free debt now? Vanished is where!

  43. The PM said we all had to make sacrifices and share the burden.

    He lied.

    Ministers and PM have been asked about cuts (ie. to current pay) to civil servants, politicians and ABC but they brush it off by saying have foregone par rise that was only for politicians and top judges and Federal civil servants.

    Meanwhile VIC and Qld were planing to give their hundreds of thousands of workers their annual pay rise as though nothing was happening. Their Unions are outraged at the suggestion they should not get a pay rise. One of the arguments they roll out is but what about the medical staff, nurses, police who are working hard on the frontline ? The problem is the pay rise is for all and includes people now at home literally being paid for wages for not doing anything. Easy to send people home on full pay when it is not your money. Incidentally hundreds of thousands did receive the $1250 before the outrage stopped the Qld pay rise. In VIC there is the BS about politicians donating their pay rise to charity.

    One way would be to give a one off “virus” bonus to those in civil service really doing extra but look for 20% cuts for the next few months of lockdown from the majority who have reduced work or mo work at all.

    However whilst we are hearing about how hard medical staff are working regarding the virus I would be interested to see the overall picture. Earlier last week I heard one of the major Brisbane hospitals had reduced their occupancy from normal 90% to 45%. Only 3 virus cases in an ICU that can take 80. Remember all elective procedures have been cancelled. I heard a wife on the radio complain her husbands chemo had been cancelled and apparently all kid enemy transplants are off. Wouidnt this mean large parts of the medical system actually have less work ? I have no idea but a thought that has occurred to me.

    Some may have noted Sal’s post last night in the open thread about having to close a large pub. I spoke the other day to the owner of a very successful restaurant business. He had to lay off 70 staff but so far still expected to pay full rent which is considerable. He also was far from happy no politician had suffered financially.

    In my own family there is one family still expected to pay full private school fees after taking a significant pay cut. Then there is the brothers family where the brother is at home on full pay from an organisation that is no longer able to perform its normal role and been sent home indefinitely on full pay.

    If you are at home and have the time call you radio station or write a letter to the paper or email your MP. All pay rises should be put off for next two years as the Brisbane Council has done. This affects over 2 million public servants and represents huge savings. The second part which is also significant is cut current payroll immeadiately for non essential Govenment workers by 20% until the lockdown is over.

    Unfortunately so far the PM has been blind to any cuts and brushed it off when asked. Many are praising his work so far and I tend to agree. In fact if there is anybody earning his salary it is him and I personally wouid not like to see him have a pay cut. It is easy to put the gotcha question to him about his pay. However the question should be asked a different way. PM would you take a 20% pay cut if it meant over savings of over $10 billion would resul from your leadership in this area ? My $10 billion is a very conservative estimate based on savings made by Brisbane Council cancelling pay rise over 2 years. Add in cuts of 20% for say next 3 months and easily get billions more.

  44. Bad Samaritan

    A movie to watch is “Defiance”. The Ns (hard to know which words are banned here) march into Belorus and the local cops immediately start doing the J-hunting…and the killing of any locals who do not go along with them….A couple of blokes set up a partisan group and on it goes.

    Question: now that we know our local police will enforce any crazy order from the various govts (“I was just following orders” ring any bells?) where do Cats think our individual cop, security guard etc would draw the line today in Australia?

    Bashings only? Or not even at summary executions? Would they ransack homes for loot and then kill CV denial criminals?

    In the flick, Daniel Craig takes revenge on three Belorus coppers having dinner and the head cop says “but I would’ve lost my job”, not “the Germans woulda shot me”. Anyone think oz cops are this far gone?

  45. Cynic of Ayr

    Well, I think it is a good deal.
    My super lost 15Gs, and Morrison gave me One and a half Gs to compensate.
    Can’t be fairer than that.
    Government “Pensions” however, continue unchanged.
    Here’s one. If Govt Pensions rise with inflation, do they fall with negative-inflation? (Recession? Depression? I’m not sure of the fancy words the well paid use.)
    Will John Howard’s $8,000 a month office in Martin Place be taken away? It’s just a freaking office!

  46. Des Deskperson

    ‘ people now at home literally being paid for wages for not doing anything. Easy to send people home on full pay when it is not your money’.

    I’m not saying it hasn’t happened but I’m not aware of or been told about any APS employee who has been excused work because of COVID 19 but is still getting their regular salary.

    So far as I am aware, everyone is still expected to perform their duties – or more – often in difficult circumstances. Some of this work has never actually needed to done and some of it will be continued to be done badly and lazily, and that is where reform is needed, but for the moment most APS employees are still doing what they are paid for.

    If for some reason they can’t work, then they would be expected to take accumulated annual leave and/or personal leave. When this runs out, my understanding is that they would have to go to Centerlink like everyone else.

  47. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened but I’m not aware of or been told about any APS employee who has been excused work because of COVID 19 but is still getting their regular salary.

    QPS are all around me Des, at home, drawing pay, gloating about it.

    It’s mostly people in jobs that aren’t just bullshit jobs, but which are considered to be bullshit de la bullshit jobs even by people in bullshit jobs.

    Anybody who can get themselves out & about is doing it, likely to validate their own importance more than anything else.

    Some examples of bullshit jobs still out & about:
    Fire Brigade inspectors.
    A uniformed flogpot with epaulettes attended a “disaster management” meeting here in town, then with information in hand started issuing directives & suchforth to all & sundry.
    He’s blocked the use of several facilities that were earmarked for mandatory self-isolation centres, on the basis those facilites were “non-compliant with fire regulations”

    The Naval Commander on the job here is sick to the back teeth of this moron, & is about to the point of having a couple of the army regs take him away to have an “accident”

    The Office of Liquor & Gaming Regulation sent me a long email a couple of days ago bragging about how their Compliance Inspectors are “at the front line of the nation’s COVID-19 response”

    Seriously.

    Then I look up the street to the coffee shop frequented by police, see it still trading, coz “takeaway” & the cops walking across the street & sitting shoulder to shoulder (6 of them) & sipping coffee on a public bench.

    Social distancing, closure of business & loss of jobs isn’t mean to be “for us”, it’s for “them”.

  48. JC

    Hey Driller,

    Recall you laughed at me when I had an operation early last year? Karma is a shitty thing, no? 🙂

  49. Terry

    Ken
    #3393550, posted on April 5, 2020 at 7:19 am
    “Canberra is about to become a ghost town”
    No! Not good enough.
    Nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

  50. Terry

    Clam Chowdah
    #3393568, posted on April 5, 2020 at 7:52 am
    “Cut it by 10%? Because that’s what decimate means. Just saying.”

    No. That’s just not doing it right.
    Every tenth member of the Public Service steps forward.
    Everyone remaining in the backline gets a permanent pay-free holiday.

    A kind of decimation. Just not the one they’d be expecting.

  51. Lee

    Elderly White Man From Skipton

    #3393345, posted on April 4, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    [Your continued aggression towards the posters is unacceptable. You are permanently banned from posting at the Cat. Sinc]

    Can’t say I feel the least bit sorry for EWMFS.
    He was very offensive to me personally on at least two occasions here, just because I had the audacity to defend PDT and the Catholic church in general from his libellous comments.

  52. Iampeter

    Elderly White Man From Skipton

    #3393345, posted on April 4, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    [Your continued aggression towards the posters is unacceptable. You are permanently banned from posting at the Cat. Sinc]

    Can’t say I feel the least bit sorry for EWMFS.
    He was very offensive to me personally on at least two occasions here, just because I had the audacity to defend PDT and the Catholic church in general from his libellous comments.

    Really? What did he say?
    I’m constantly on the receiving end of unhinged rants and insults. Every response is poida, this, Lamepeter that, iamshiteater, autist, etc, etc.

    I’m curious what he could have said that crossed the line in terms of “aggression towards posters?”

  53. JC

    Plodes

    I think he was offending a lot of people and generally acting like a complete ass like you. It’s always a good idea to explain what you mean by “politics” and why you believe the other person doesn’t understand anything… like you should.

  54. Iampeter

    @JC – if you don’t know what politics is about then you probably need to explain what you’ve been doing on a politics blog for all these years, hurling insults at everyone.

    Also, given your endless abuse at anyone you disagree with on this blog, you’re actually a perfect example that’s making me wonder what Elderly could’ve said that could possibly get him banned…

  55. JC

    Plodes, you’re lying again.

    1. You abuse everyone you have a argument with. Your sneering superiority makes everyone dislike you. Look how many people have a go at your crap.

    2. You still refuse to explain what you mean by “politics”.

    3. I don’t abuse everyone. You do.

    4. You have zero understanding of economics, which is a huge minus for someone pretending he’s objectivist.

  56. Tel

    3. I don’t abuse everyone. You do.

    That’s perfectly correct.

    There are at least five or six people on this blog who have never been abused by JC … all of his abuse is very specific, so I can be sure of this.

  57. Iampeter

    @JC I didn’t say you abuse everyone, I said you abuse everyone you disagree with. As usual it’s not me that’s lying about anything.

    So my question was what are you doing spending years on a blog about politics when you say you don’t know what politics is and abuse everyone you disagree with?

  58. Squirrel

    The shockingly blatant double standards on this issue is why maximum pressure needs to be applied to the idea that the massive debts which Australian govenments will rack up over the coming year, or so, can simply be inflated away – like (as the b/s goes) the debts arising from the Second World War.

    Anyone who thinks that Australia’s economic circumstances over coming decades are going to be anything like they were in the 1950s and 1960s should be kept in permanent isolation – and let nowhere near public finances.

  59. Bad Samaritan

    Squirrel (6.26pm) It’s an accounting sleight-of-hand which requires no inflating-away.

    The Comm govt creates bonds and sells them to the RBA, which buys them with printed money and electronic transfers. The Comm govt then has a debt (whether it will have an interest rate I don’t know). This money is then distributed for free and then spent. Later on the RBA wipes the debt, burns the bonds, and that is it. the debt is “forgiven”.

    I’ve pointed this out several times, and so far no-one has corrected me. Will someone do so now?

    BTW: Since manufacturing and most non-street-front services are still producing as before…and the amount of free money is less than wages / salaries/ sales were at those now-closed street-front-services, then the free money will not increase normal “aggregate demand”. It will still be less.

    Similar production being chased by still lower demand = deflation as in the US in teh 1930s and IS/Japan following QE.

  60. Bad Samaritan

    Should be US/Japan following QE

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