Monday Forum: April 6, 2020

Not so funny anymore.

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  1. Tintarella di Luna

    The son of the Sunbather’s cousin married and Italian girl and lives in Milan with his wife and daughter -every time he goes out shopping for essentials, masked and gloved, he changes every item of clothing, before entering the house, showers and then every item is wiped down with antiseptic wipes — what a way to live — is this what we can expect?

  2. Ellie

    Falling off the wagon hurts.

  3. Ellie

    Hadn’t had a drink since 7th January.

  4. Ellie

    Realised it doesn’t mix well with grief.

  5. Ellie

    I don’t like that daylight savings has ended. It’s too early to be awake.

  6. Tintarella di Luna

    I wanted some good news on the coronavirus — this is what can up

    The only bnetter news would be the shut down of the UN and all its corrupt and infected organs and the Chinese Communist Party government is declared an international pariah and every contract, loan, takeover and purchase by anyone connected with that rogue state declared null and void

  7. Ellie

    Sinclair provides a safe space for drunk women who have lost their way in life.

  8. The Beer Whisperer

    COVID-19 sounds like the perfect setup. Worth bookmarking as a prediction.

  9. Ellie

    The Beer Whisperer posts when I am talking about alcohol. Funny.

  10. Ellie

    I am about to turn Alan Jones on.

  11. Ellie

    Just realised I didn’t put my bedside clock back an hour. Will have to wait to turn him on.

  12. Howard Hill

    When do we start bartering? I’m in need of tobacco. I have access to litres of pure, unadulterated, 97% alcohol, who wants to gift me?

  13. Ellie

    Let’s gift each other.

  14. Ellie

    Now that was bad. Sorry

  15. Howard Hill

    Hehehe! What are you offering Ellie 🙂
    I’m a happily married man of 35 years.

  16. Ellie

    Married men are not up my alley. 😎

  17. Ellie

    Not too shabby for this time of the morning.

  18. Howard Hill

    Aussies are even more screwed than Americans. At least their money is still made of paper. Ours is shit plastic you can’t even wipe your arse with 🙁

  19. Howard Hill

    The Trump administration is considering legal action against China after leading US manufacturers of medical safety gear say Beijing has prohibited them from exporting goods in what the New York Post says was a bid to “corner the world market” in personal protective equipment (PPE).

    “In criminal law, compare this to the levels that we have for murder,” said Trump re-election campaign senior legal adviser, Jenna Ellis, who says that legal options include filing a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights or working ‘through the United Nations.”

    “People are dying. When you have intentional, cold-blooded, premeditated action like you have with China, this would be considered first-degree murder,” she added.

    The chunks need to pay for this!

  20. Ellie

    Boris is in intensive care 😞

  21. Ellie

    Pussy Galore has died.

  22. Ellie

    Ahhh. Alan Jones is on. All is ok in the world.

  23. Ellie

    It appears I am having verbal intercourse with myself.

  24. Rockdoctor

    egg_
    #3396839, posted on April 6, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    Have worked on a few of those sites at one time. Most of them were near the end of useful resource exploitation and there was very little exploration going on to extend. As for the Hunter Rio flogged off all it’s coal mines here & Yancoal picked up a few, Mt Thorley I hear has 30 years of life they reckon. However the Hunter is increasingly being affected by lock the gate etc types of green tinged farmers or other farmers who are consorting with a devil that is much worse than we are that will turn on them iin the end.

    Will look up some figures today but my experience mostly Bowen Basin is that Japan & Sth Korea make up most of our coal exports and China being not a small customer as well but isn’t the top destination. May be metallurgical coal though, now am in a thermal area so could be different here. Lastly I have never seen people run so fast when the Japanese customers start grizzling and am not talking about managers & supers. It is the executive that cop it, I have never seen such power from our Chinese customers.

  25. bespoke

    JC
    #3396817, posted on April 6, 2020 at 11:35 pm
    You know, we really don’t have to sell to China. Assuming, x amount of supply around the world and y demand. If we stopped selling to China others would fill the void, but the demand level would remain the same all being equal. We would end up selling to other countries. It would be a difficult period for a time, but it wouldn’t make much difference in the end…. except we would have many more customers to deal with who are spread out around the world.

    Just thinking out loud.

    This in one transitioning I approve of.

  26. Ellie

    AJ highlighting that 1000 Chinese students have arrived each day since mid February.

  27. Zatara

    US markets are soaring today.

    Dow +8.21%.
    NASDAQ +7.46
    Russell 2000 +7.82
    S&P 500 +7.01

  28. bespoke

    Oh honey, STOP: AOC quadruples down on COVID-19 being racist after being dragged BADLY annnd we officially can’t even

  29. Ellie

    Bespoke – post of the day.

  30. Ellie

    I think my lower right wisdom tooth needs to be pulled. My jaw is sore.

  31. Ellie

    Don’t put the MSM on if you don’t wish to neck yourself. Alarmism spewing forth.

  32. Ellie

    Finance news with Tom Borowski on Sunrise. Depressing.

  33. Struth

    That article , “it can happen here”, is very good and needs to be out on your facebook pages.

    It is the facebook people, mostly virtue signallers and mental lightweights that need to be confronted with their compliance.
    Now is not the time to worry if they are offended or unfriend you even.
    I think we all know the types who are not waking up and indeed feel like posting things like “we’re having Mad sock Monday at our house” need to own their submission.

    We need to end virtue signaling by making it the pathetic ravings of sheeple that it is.
    We need to bombard facebook, not catallaxy files.

    Start arguments with the virtue signalers and go hard.

    That’s my suggestion today.
    That along with stern letters to your local member as close to threatening as you dare.

    Emails to TV stations fear mongering our nation into hysterics.
    etc.
    Nice to vent here, but let’s make enemies on facebook.
    Because these idiots are not worthy of your friendship anyway.
    Be brave.
    Now off to work.

    Have a great day, well as best you can in the circumstances.

    People must be embarrassed to do it.
    Women and beta males doing this must be confronted.

    Hit them with something to think about.
    No good us talking to each other, we are in agreement.
    Fight back where the problem lies, we have a duty.

  34. rickw

    Bojo in intensive care:

  35. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    it’s time for a full divorce from china

  36. Knuckle Dragger

    The fearless frontline fantasy football warrior monty, from overnight:

    ‘This is the Chinese Century already, they have won. No shots were fired, Trump waved the white flag of Iso-Surrender. Australia has switched allegiance to our new Chinese overlords. No amount of whinging from you lot will change that.’

    This is a ‘man’, remember, who was terrified of the BatVirus because he is a single-entity comorbidity, and just at the stage of hooking himself up to a metho drip when he realised he might not die after all, and since then has gone all peacocky again.

  37. mh

    Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care after his coronavirus symptoms worsened, Downing Street have confirmed.

    The Prime Minister was admitted to St Thomas’ hospital in Westminster on Sunday after his coronavirus symptoms persisted for 10 days.

    After tests and observation, his doctors advised that he be admitted to intensive care around 7pm.

    A statement from Number 10 said: “Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit at the hospital.

    “The PM has asked Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary.

    “The PM is receiving excellent care, and thanks all NHS staff for their hard work and dedication.”

    Boris Johnson is understood to be conscious, and that his move to intensive care was advised in case he requires a ventilator to assist with his breathing.

  38. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I can’t embed 😞

    go to youtube.com

    pick a video. copy the link from the address tab at top of the browser

    should look like the following without the spaces

    https :// http://www.youtube.com/ watch? v=wa43FNUdpU8

    paste on a line by itself in the edit box on the cat
    if yours says youtube.be then it’s not going to embed

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    take 2

    https :// www . youtube . com/ watch? v=wa43FNUdpU8

  40. rickw

    Arab spring 2.0 in Europe:

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    Some talk overnight about the Iron Age locusts waving their tiny cocks in the air over the South China Sea and whatnot. The China/US geopolitical situation may be compared, in my humble opinion, to the Barry Hall/Brent Staker contretemps some years back. Hall is, of course, the US:

    Staker: Grabs jumper, yanks it, bunts Hall in back of head when he’s not looking
    Hall: Nothing

    Staker: Grabs harder, puts a stud in Hall’s ankle, a bit gobby about ‘old man, thought you were hard’
    Hall: Nothing

    Staker: Pinch. Backs up a step to see what happens
    Hall: Nothing

    Staker: Pinch, pinch, reverse jumper punch to kidney during marking contest, calls Hall a homo
    Hall: Nothing

    Staker: Pinchy pinch pinch, thumb into armpit, ‘clean your teeth Hall, you smell like your brother’s cock’
    Hall: Effortless, crunching right hook on the point of Staker’s jaw. Eyes roll back, drops as if shot. Hall doesn’t miss a beat

    Staker (pointing): ‘Ooooooooh!!!! I’m a VICTIM!’

  42. mh

    MARKETS
    Dow soars 1,600 points as growth rate of new coronavirus cases appears to slow

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    Gold has cracked $1700 too.

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    Greedy, albeit talented fuckwit Jack Riewoldt on the teev saying that he maybe just might have misjudged public opinion when he was bitching about wanting his full quid for a season he’s not playing in.

    From home. A very nice home, by the look. And wearing a Barnbougle Lost Farm cap – a course people save for years in some cases to play on, but is a mere chartered chopper ride away for the ranga.

    Clearly, it’s all lost on him.

  45. Tintarella di Luna

    John Ferguson says no-one should be surprised if George Pell is acquitted by the High Court.

    Cardinal George Pell’s defence was funded by donations from people who believe in the rule of law with that in mind John Ferguson’s first sentence is a disgrace:

    The fundamental George Pell question is whether he is the victim of one of the gravest injustices in Australian legal history or just a jailhouse pedophile with some rich contacts.

    The High Court will resolve this — hopefully emphatically — when it delivers its judgment shortly after 10am on Tuesday in Brisbane.

    Pell, 78, was at the height of his powers as one of the world’s most influential Catholics when he was questioned, arrested and convicted in 2018 of five counts of sexual assault against young boys in Melbourne’s St Patrick’s Cathedral, dating back to 1996 and 1997.

    As the second County Court jury was directed, this case was not meant to be about Pell the man, or about his Catholic faith. It was meant to be about whether he did, in fact, beyond reasonable doubt, strike in the priests’ sacristy against the surviving choirboy and another boy.

    Pell was convicted in 2018 by a jury on the evidence of the surviving choirboy.

    The second child had denied ever being abused, before dying several years ago of a heroin overdose. No one else witnessed the crimes.

    The St Patrick’s Cathedral case was considered by some of Pell’s supporters to be among the weakest of the many charges that had been laid against the former No 3 at the Vatican, and it stunned the legal and Catholic establishment when he was convicted. There has always been a significant caveat to any analysis of the crimes. It comes in the form of the prosecution’s key witness — a now middle-aged man who, in 2015, told police that Pell had sexually assaulted him and his then 13-year-old choirboy friend in the priests’ sacristy.

    This was after Victoria Police had taken the extraordinary step of in effect advertising for sexual abuse victims of Pell in Operation Tethering, which was set up in 2013 to examine whether he had abused children.

    Throughout this case, and ­notwithstanding some significant contradictions, courts have been told that the complainant was a “compelling witness”.

    This has been corroborated ­independently by The Australian but with some key qualifications that will be discussed later.

    There remains significant doubt about when the offending in the sacristy could have occurred after solemn mass.

    George Pell arrives for the Opening Mass of Welcome of World Youth Day Sydney at Barangaroo in 2008.
    George Pell arrives for the Opening Mass of Welcome of World Youth Day Sydney at Barangaroo in 2008.
    Chief Justice Anne Ferguson in the Victorian Court of Appeal said of the former choirboy: “The complainant was a compelling witness, was clearly not a liar, was not a fantasist and was a witness of truth.”

    Ferguson’s effusive backing of the complainant last year is arguably at the heart of the High Court deliberations and today’s judgment, which will decide whether the Victorian Court of Appeal erred when it found, by a majority of two to one last year, that the jury was within its rights to convict Pell of the crimes, including forced oral sex.

    These were horrible crimes.

    As solid as the complainant may have been in court — depending on your perspective — the prosecution has always been fighting the obvious question.

    How could Pell have possibly committed these crimes in the ­allotted time of five or six minutes after solemn mass, in a cathedral still heaving with hundreds of people and the sacristy normally a whirlwind of activity?

    The complainant’s position may not have been bolstered by the attempts by the Victorian ­Director of Public Prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, to alter the time­frame for when these crimes ­occurred.

    Even the most basic understanding of church processes and witnessing of solemn mass makes the allegations seem improbable, which is a key test for any jury.

    Confronted with the allegations, Pell described them as ­“deranged falsehoods”.

    Robert Richter QC, arguably the nation’s finest criminal barrister, acted for Pell, and in the retrial he used a PowerPoint presentation during his closing address that read: “Only a madman would attempt to rape two boys in the priests’ sacristy immediately after Sunday solemn mass.”

    Andrew Dyer, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney who wrote a ­recent paper on the case, left the High Court on March 12 feeling like many other legal observers when he walked toward Canberra’s King Edward Terrace.

    “It just confirmed my view when I observed the proceedings in person that there’s a lot there on the record to give (Pell) hope,’’ Dyer said.

    “And I think he should just be cautiously optimistic about the High Court entering a verdict of acquittal and … that he can be released into the community.’’

    Dyer is like every sensible observer of this case. Assumptions cannot be made.

    University of Melbourne law professor Jeremy Gans, like Dyer, attended the hearings in Canberra and has read the transcript.

    Would he be surprised if Pell were acquitted now by the High Court? “No. I wouldn’t be surprised,” he said. “I came out of the hearing thinking acquittal seemed like the most likely option.”

    The views of Dyer and Gans are not isolated.

    In fact, in many discussions with members of the legal fraternity about the strength of the ­cathedral allegations, it is hard to find serious, independent people, who believe he should have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt by the jury.

    Central to the High Court’s ­deliberations is whether belief in the complainant could be used as a basis for eliminating doubt raised by other witnesses, several of whom are credible people.

    They include Monsignor Charles Portelli, who was Pell’s right-hand man when the cardinal (which he still is) was archbishop of Melbourne.

    The church’s sacristan separately gave evidence that the sacristy was overrun with activity after mass, when the altar was cleared.

    A supporter of the church is seen with his roseberry beads ahead of the George Pell appeal hearing at the Supreme Court of Victoria in June 2019 in Melbourne.
    A supporter of the church is seen with his roseberry beads ahead of the George Pell appeal hearing at the Supreme Court of Victoria in June 2019 in Melbourne.
    Tears in court

    However, the complainant also had accurately explained the priests’ sacristy where the assaults occurred and the layout and the furnishing of the alcove.

    While an archbishop traditionally wears heavy clothing while presiding over mass, the jury found that Pell still could have committed the offences, regardless of the weight and clumsiness of the attire.

    Arguably Pell’s biggest challenge is the fact the second jury found against him, having heard at length the complainant’s evidence via a video recording.

    It was recorded and played because the first jury failed to deliver a verdict.

    There were tears shed in the County Court when Pell was eventually convicted, stunning his team but no doubt shocking Pell the most of all.

    The prosecution’s submissions to the High Court argued Pell’s legal team overlooked the quality of the evidence given by the complainant, known as A, having correctly identified the location of the first offending and the layout of the sacristy.

    But Justice Mark Weinberg, the former Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions and dissenting Court of Appeal voice, was not greatly impressed with aspects of A’s evidence and raised the spectre of Pell as an innocent man serving time behind bars for something he didn’t do.

    “These convictions were based upon the jury’s assessment of the complainant as a witness and nothing more,” he wrote.

    Narrow window

    Timing is everything in life, just as it is in detective work.

    The complainant’s case pivoted on the five-to-six minute window of opportunity for Pell to have ­offended after mass. It’s the time the complainant claimed it took for Pell to carry out these disgusting acts.

    The Crown’s original thesis was that there was no established practice or protocol for Pell to remain on the cathedral steps for 10 to 20 minutes after mass in mid-to-late December 1996, as the defence has claimed.

    The abuse definitely could not have occurred if Pell had been on the steps for 10 minutes or more.

    For the offending to have occurred, Pell would have needed to have left the front steps unaccompanied by Portelli soon after mass ended and sprinted back to the sacristy.

    This is because the five-to-six minute clock for when the abuse was meant to have occurred was already ticking as soon as the ­procession started leaving the ­cathedral.

    Pell would have had to proceed from the altar to the church’s steps outside and quickly journey back to the sacristy to molest the boys.

    It is the defence’s case that he didn’t have time because it would have taken the five or six minutes just to walk in the procession, reach the cathedral steps and walk back to the cathedral.

    This is also assuming that Pell didn’t linger for 10 to 20 minutes on the church steps, as was his habit.

    George Pell leaves Melbourne Magistrates’ Court in May 2018.
    George Pell leaves Melbourne Magistrates’ Court in May 2018.
    Clock is ticking

    So where does all this leave the Crown?

    Judd stunned the Pell team last month when she abandoned the prosecution’s position over the amount of time that private prayer was held after solemn mass.

    Private prayer starts virtually straight after mass ends.

    Judd said last month the five-to-six minute timeframe, which the prosecution claimed gave the opportunity to offend, actually may have been longer, depending on what unfolded in the cathedral on the day.

    “They are approximate times. It was not a precise five or six ­minutes,” Judd claimed.

    Judd also conceded that evidence of Pell’s right-hand man, Portelli, when viewed on its own, could create enough doubt to prevent­ Pell’s convictions, although she urged for it to be seen in the context of all the evidence.

    Based on what was on display in the High Court, there will be no great surprises within legal circles if the cardinal is freed.

    This doesn’t mean that Australians would suddenly have to ­embrace Pell.

    But it would mean that a terrible legal wrong had been righted.

    Conversely, will the power of the complainant’s evidence, which swayed a jury and the Court of ­Appeal, prevail once again?

    The clock is tickin

  46. Mater

    m0nty
    #3396899, posted on April 7, 2020 at 12:42 am

    This is the Chinese Century already, they have won. No shots were fired, Trump waved the white flag of Iso-Surrender. Australia has switched allegiance to our new Chinese overlords. No amount of whinging from you lot will change that.

    Monty is just another snivelling little ferret, the likes of which this country excels at churning out nowadays.

    His Grandfathers would be sooooooo proud of him, I’m sure.

    m0nty
    #2304886, posted on February 22, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    My grandfathers fought in New Guinea

  47. 1735099

    My GP bother’s getting very worked up about those ignoring anti-virus advice.
    Told me this morning that they are the same as people leaving lights on in London during the WW2 blackouts, and should be locked up.
    The fact that he’s married to an ICU nurse, and they have young children may have something to do with it.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    NFA, overnight:

    ‘They have stuffed their water, poisoned their air, polluted their lands and depend on slave labour from the provinces to work the factories.
    They are still swinging picks and shovels in coal mines and basically cannot invent anything.
    They depend on sending their prince and princesses to Western Universities for education and to steal whatever intellectual property they can get.’

    That last sentence is telling and compelling. Where are the great things that China has made? Here they are:

    1. A wall, made eight hundred years ago because they reneged on a promise to give the Mongols a chop out while Genghis was sorting out the Rus steppes and Persia. Which didn’t work anyway; and
    2. Several dams constructed entirely by slave labour.

    Where are the Oxfords, the Sorbonnes, the Kings Colleges? Where are the Hawkings, the Shakespeares, the Voltaires, the Teslas?

    I’ll tell you. Somewhere fucking else.

  49. Ellie

    KD – making sense. ❤

  50. Knuckle Dragger

    Everyone listen to Plagiarism Bob’s brother.

    He’s a doctor and takes advice from Norman Swan.

  51. Ellie

    Numbers – you spoke to your GP this morning? It’s only 7am.

  52. Ellie

    Oh oops. Read you wrong. It’s your Bro.

  53. Ellie

    Why does NSW have the most infected? Population aside, please explain.

  54. Ellie

    A lot of students here

  55. Ellie

    I’m having left over subway, delivered last night by a French student. Ubereats. Re-heated in the sandwich press.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The fact that he’s married to an ICU nurse, and they have young children may have something to do with it.’

    Hang on.

    Assuming that Old Yeller’s bro is 20 years younger, so say early 50s. Standard for a Mick family growing up in rural Queensland under the brutal hand of the Butcher’s Apron.

    And married to an ICU nurse chicky, which is undoubtedly good work, maybe 20 years younger again. So in her 30s. Go with 38, 12 years younger than the doc, the lucky bastard. That would allow for the children of such double-medical pokery to be ‘young children’.

    Because anything other than that would be, as we say ion my industry, ‘total horseshit.’

  57. Knuckle Dragger

    *in my industry*

    I was feeling a bit sciency just now, hence ‘ion’.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    BoJo moved to hospital and his condition worsens.

    That seems to be par for the course with this virus.

    Very strange.

  59. Ellie

    It has bacon on it.

    Bird! I am such a bad J**wish girl.

  60. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    m0nty
    #3396899, posted on April 7, 2020 at 12:42 am

    This is the Chinese Century already, they have won. No shots were fired, Trump waved the white flag of Iso-Surrender. Australia has switched allegiance to our new Chinese overlords. No amount of whinging from you lot will change that.

    hahahaha worst trolling evah!

  61. Ellie

    Waiting for my 7:30am call.

  62. Ellie

    George Pell’s life hanging on a thread. Be ok. 🙏

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Carnival Cruise Lines. Rebounding like a newly-bought squash ball.

    $10.21.

  64. notafan

    Why would having a ICU nurse wife and young children ‘have something to do with it’?

    Unless those children are immune system compromised they are 93.1% unlikely to experience more than a mild cold.

    Wife might get exposure in ICU, because that’s were the sickest end up.

    Flatten the curve is not an elimination guarantee, it’s to try to make the pandemic manageable, which right now in Australia, it is.

  65. Ellie

    Sinclair, darling, can we please have:
    1. A Boris thread
    2. A George Pell thread
    Breaking news and all.

  66. notafan

    Presumably Boris is experiencing respiratory distress.

    Not good.

  67. Ellie

    Boris is actually quite hot.

  68. Mater

    My GP bother’s getting very worked up about those ignoring anti-virus advice.
    Told me this morning that they are the same as people leaving lights on in London during the WW2 blackouts, and should be locked up.

    He works in Toowoomba and services two nursing homes, right?

    1735099
    #3256960, posted on December 10, 2019 at 10:16 am

    It includes a Ph D (Finance – working out of Singapore), two medicos, one a GP in Toowoomba, the other a Paediatrician at the Mater in Brisbane, a retired Deputy Director General (my younger brother), my wife’s family of eleven, most of whom live in FNQ, and are variously farmers, teachers, and entrepreneurs.

    1735099
    #3378549, posted on March 27, 2020 at 8:18 am

    My youngest brother (with a young family) is a resident GP supporting two nursing homes.

    I assume she’s in Toowoomba, too. Are they being run off their feet on the front lines?

    The fact that he’s married to an ICU nurse, and they have young children may have something to do with it.

    It’s nice they have an opinion though. They are all welcomed here at the Cat.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Churchill would have shrugged off China Flu with cigars and Pol Roger.

  70. Ellie

    The UK is now being run by someone called Dominic Raab.

  71. notafan

    Reading that Mater

    The Toowoomba GP is possibly female and possibly younger but now youngest.

    Why would you say your deputy director general (whatever that is) is your younger brother?

    Odd

  72. Mater

    Odd

    If Bob told me that the sky was blue, I’d feel compelled to go outside and check.

  73. notafan

    KD

    Graduated as a doctor in 1986.

    34 years and at least 25 on graduation.

    Got to pushing 60.

  74. Ellie

    I’m going to drive to be there to walk George Pell to freedom.

  75. notafan

    Indeed Mater.

    He and Monty both lie.

    Not the only ones here, mind.

    But part of the group
    Don’t trust, verify.

  76. Diogenes

    My GP bother’s getting very worked up about those ignoring anti-virus advice.

    And I get pissed off by the inconsistency in the rules …
    Beauticians bad- hairdressers good
    30 blokes full contact sport (NRL has an exemption!) good , 3 people exercising together in the middle of a park maintaining social distancing bad
    Go shopping 39 km from home – good/ 40 km bad (VicPol commissioner yesterday)
    Stopping a moment on bench because my knees are playing up while out exercising – potential 1K fine, letting at least 100 KNOWN sick people(ordinary Flu – forget the 15 ‘unknowns’ or n-many asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 virus) off the Ruby Princess with no precautions – meh shit happens !
    At 9am- don’t visit holiday homes, 10am – oh no its ok !(Victoria)
    Sun — “don’t visit your boy/girlfirend if they don’t live with you – Mon – Its Ok (Vic again)

    “My officers will decide if something is essential or not!” – Reichsfuehrer Fuller
    A colleague from Central Coast was heading in the car by himself to Newcastle to get a replacement Hard Drive for his computer, as his existing one failed completely on Sunday. He rang every computer shop on the CC, and they were either shut or out of stock, and he found one place at Newcastle (@ 50km from his home) – he was turned around and threatened with a fine 1km from his destination – so how the hell is he supposed to work from home delivering online lessons without a computer? – at what exact point did his trip become “non-essential” and he became a risk to others?

  77. Ellie

    In my cat suit with thigh length boots.

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    A reminder.

    Victoria Police – the organisation that declines to go anywhere near a highly-publicised RoPer wedding with 40-odd guests crammed into one spot, flatly refuses to discuss it and yet wheels out a Deputy Commissioner to a presser in order to defend a fat chick cop who handed out a $1600 blister to a learner driver under instruction.

  79. Ellie

    The police state everyone talked about is here. An L plater fined.

  80. notafan

    Diogenes.

    He should have parked his car and gone the one K for ‘exercise’

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    Bang on, Diogenes.

    One rule for thee, another for me. And they honestly wonder, in the green room between pressers while waiting for the replacement Auslan chick, why the punters are jacking up.

  82. Des Deskperson

    Fat Tony @9.38 pm last night

    ‘And yes, I was told to take my work laptop home, hook it up to my internet and work from my room. The alternative was to tell my employer to get fucked and quit.’

    But that’s exactly what my ‘privileged’ friends in the APS were told to do. Otherwise they would have been stood down without pay and their future careers f**ked.

  83. Ellie

    Karl Stefanovic is large.

  84. Frank

    Ellie, please lay off the booze and get some sleep.

  85. Mater

    Victoria Police – the organisation that declines to go anywhere near a highly-publicised RoPer wedding with 40-odd guests crammed into one spot, flatly refuses to discuss it and yet wheels out a Deputy Commissioner to a presser in order to defend a fat chick cop who handed out a $1600 blister to a learner driver under instruction.

    This is the same police force that channeled Arky and I into a riotous mob out the front of the Lauren Southern event, watched us get bashed and then threatened to arrest us as we pushed through the police lines in search of safety.

    In trying to counter the ridiculous current situation, our children have been briefed NOT to answer any questions posed by the police, and to consider any ‘mistruths’ told by mum and/or dad (in their presence), as necessary aberrations to our family rule about never lying.

    How sad is this country. What long term impact will this have on children and their respect for the law?

  86. duncanm

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3397007, posted on April 7, 2020 at 4:52 am
    I wanted some good news on the coronavirus

    cheer up – the EU is looking pretty shaky after their treatment of Italy.

  87. Monty is correct upthread.
    Sabre-rattling and ridicule emanating from this site won’t alter that.
    Projections for China’s economic future by 2030 put it ahead of India and the US.
    Population projections are similar.

    Whether the Neocons and Trumpsters like it or not, they will have to live with this, simply because there is SFA they can do about it.
    Based on the track record, the Trump administration will probably not go to war over Taiwan, and certainly not over Hong Kong.

    The Russians are a sideshow, dreaming about past glories.

    The only similarity between the Russians and the Chinese governments is that both have consolidated power behind strong men, and their populations are quite OK with this altering of the the rules to stay in control.

    The Chinese are simply pragmatic.
    Their most recent past is a narrative of suffering and occupation.

    There was a Long March, not a Great Patriotic War.
    Their view of history is from the opposite side of the glass, compared with the Russians.
    The Yanks have absolutely no grasp of this, and they misread it, just as they did when they looked at Vietnam in the 60s and 70s, and if they isolate, which appears likely, we need to look at our own defence industry and maybe do an Israel.

    Our interdependence with China has become very obvious very recently.

    Sad but true….

  88. notafan

    Yes but who was whinging?

    My son caught the train to work, got sent back home, set up in the dining room table and started taking calls from newly unemployed people who couldn’t meet their mortgage payments.

  89. notafan

    Lol

    Two new experts on the global economy.

    No-one here takes your predictions seriously.

    In fact reading beyond the first paragraph was too much.

    On the one hand covid19 is a war like situation that should see people in prison for breaches but on the other there should be no consequences for China’s behaviour.

    People tend to prefer not to deal with people who have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted.

    You have a lot of experience in that area.

    No one here trusts you.

  90. Reading that Mater

    The Toowoomba GP is possibly female and possibly younger but now youngest.

    Why would you say your deputy director general (whatever that is) is your younger brother?

    Odd

    The only “odd” bit is this carry-on.
    But this is Catallaxy, where the truth is malleable, and gets knocked into shape to suit the meme.
    I have three brothers.
    I am the eldest, so they are all younger.
    My next youngest brother (retired senior public servant) is only eighteen months younger than me.
    The next brother (61 on Saturday) is still working as the managing director of an electronics firm, and my youngest brother (late fifties) is the GP.

    Given that everybody here knows my name, all of the above could be confirmed by a little targeted googling.
    But who gives a stuff….

  91. Cassie of Sydney

    “The fundamental George Pell question is whether he is the victim of one of the gravest injustices in Australian legal history or just a jailhouse pedophile with some rich contacts.”

    Wow…that sets the scene doesn’t it……..and this is from a so called serious journalist at The Oz! It is precisely this kind of “journalism”…cough….cough….cough….that has led to a serious and terminal decline in media across the west. It is why most people regard the mainstream media as a putrid disgrace.

  92. calli

    Taking the laptop home and working at the kitchen table is perfectly normal for most PE employees.

    Sure, the work-from-home hours may be longer and in daylight and not broken up by forays into hideous traffic to and from the office, but it’s business as usual for many. The only real difference is direct human contact at meetings and “water cooler”.

    It’s interesting to see who is adapting well and who is struggling. Introvert, deadline conscious types will go well, extroverted “discussers” not so much.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “The fundamental George P*ll question is whether he is the victim of one of the gravest injustices in Australian legal history or just a jailhouse peterfile with some rich contacts.”

    Wow…that sets the scene doesn’t it……..and this is from a so called serious journalist at The Oz! It is precisely this kind of “journalism”…cough….cough….cough….that has led to a serious and terminal decline in media across the west. It is why most people regard the mainstream media as a putrid disgrace.

  94. Steve trickler

    This is worth sussing out.



  95. Anne

    All I can do is put this information up.

    Fall Cabal: Episodes 1-10.

    https://youtu.be/ZhQX8Sqc-kE

  96. Cassie of Sydney

    “But who gives a stuff….”

    We don’t give a stuff about you.

  97. And the outrage about the learner driver is reaching saga proportions.
    I am supervising my daughter who is about halfway through her 100 hours on L plates.
    Rather than going out just to practice (as we did before the restrictions) we combine driving with essential activity.
    It’s not rocket science.
    It has the advantage that because my bride and I are both in the vulnerable group, she’s the one who (with mask and gloves) braves the supermarket war zone, whilst I wait hermetically sealed in the car.
    We’ve never been pulled over, let alone fined. I guess if we were questioned, a shopping list on the outward journey, and a car full of groceries on the way back, would probably constitute evidence of our activity.

  98. Atoms for Peace

    Most appropriate place for L plate is on the back of some police jackets.

  99. Cassie of Sydney

    “My son caught the train to work, got sent back home, set up in the dining room table and started taking calls from newly unemployed people who couldn’t meet their mortgage payments.”

    It is just terrible to hear these stories Notafan.

  100. Atoms for Peace

    Just checking. Are diplomats exempt from Wuhan Corona Virus directives?

  101. On the one hand covid19 is a war like situation that should see people in prison for breaches but on the other there should be no consequences for China’s behaviour.

    The world has changed overnight!
    Vicpol now has jurisdiction on mainland China.
    Only on Catallaxy…..

  102. BrettW

    Ah ,thats the secret ! Take a laptop home and say you are working fulltime otherwise might be stood down. Not to worry as the Comcar drivers, 4000 workers in Parliament House, swimming pool staff, Museum staff etc all around the country have got themselves a laptop and are fully employed at home.

    Des Deskperson

    #3397113, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:39 am
    Fat Tony @9.38 pm last night

    ‘And yes, I was told to take my work laptop home, hook it up to my internet and work from my room. The alternative was to tell my employer to get fucked and quit.’

    But that’s exactly what my ‘privileged’ friends in the APS were told to do. Otherwise they would have been stood down without pay and their future careers f**ked.

  103. notafan

    Oh the stupid smartassery.

    You were the one carping about war time blackouts.

    Nothing to do with vicpol.

  104. You were the one carping about war time blackouts.

    No – that was my brother.
    You need to read for meaning rather than effect.

  105. Peter the old fossil

    1735099
    #3397142, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Give it a rest, Numbers.
    You’re beginning to display almost as much ignorance of China as the average Catallaxian lemming.

  106. notafan

    The bank is being pretty good with six month deferrals as I understand it Cassie.

    Those who have made extra payments in the past are better placed.

    I just hear snippets by the way, try not to, and if course I only hear the responses.

    No names etc

  107. duncanm

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3397070, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:57 am

    ..
    Where are the Oxfords, the Sorbonnes, the Kings Colleges? Where are the Hawkings, the Shakespeares, the Voltaires, the Teslas?

    I’ll tell you. Somewhere fucking else.

    KD – China is much like the middle east. They were centres of learning and discovery thousands of years ago, but lost it in either religion (ME), or totalitarian governments (CN).

    CN did many great things – sailed the world before the Euros, discovered gunpowder, ceramics, etc… ME was maths, astronomy, etc.

  108. notafan

    MV can’t help himself either.

    Got to put that grosby slipper in whenever the slightest opportunity arises.

    Ouch!

  109. notafan

    But you quoted with approval so a reasonable person would think that you shared his view.

    Tosser.

  110. BrettW

    From Adam Creighton’s column in the Oz.

    Concerns about the economy are dismissed as heartless but the downsides of prolonged recession are very human. If income contracts 10 per cent as a result of government restrictions, as many economists now expect, even for three months, that’s a national income loss of around $50bn — more than the federal government spends on Medicare and the Pharmaceutical Benefit Schedules combined.

    Aside from mass joblessness and destruction of businesses, more suicide, domestic violence, drug abuse, criminality and prostitution are also likely if the shutdown lasts long enough — naturally all weighing most heavily on the poorest half of society.

  111. Caveman

    Beaches closed and King tides normally start around this time, will good point breaks go unsurfed?

  112. Peter the old fossil

    Probably more productive than planning WWIII with China while bitching about all the restrictions while falling over myself complying with them, Nota.

    That IS the Catallaxian modus operandi, isn’t it?

  113. notafan

    Wow wow wow.

    Numbers also approves the massive fine on ordinary people, whose driving put no-one, nowhere at risk.

    Not even numbers, who never gets out of the car to help with grocery shopping anyhow.

    Women’s work.

  114. Cassie of Sydney

    “Aside from mass joblessness and destruction of businesses, more suicide, domestic violence, drug abuse, criminality and prostitution are also likely if the shutdown lasts long enough — naturally all weighing most heavily on the poorest half of society.”

    Thanks BW…..Creighton speaks and writes a lot of sense. This shutdown cannot go on for six months.

  115. Leigh Lowe

    From calli’s link at 6:47.
    These people know all about Catholic ritual and tradition apparently:-

    A supporter of the church is seen with his roseberry beads ahead of the George Pell appeal hearing at the Supreme Court of Victoria in June 2019 in Melbourne.

  116. notafan

    Oh right MV

    Tell us what restrictions are you breaching.

    And I’m not giving details about how I spend my time because there are too many dibber dobbers around here.

    And frankly older people making personal decisions not to risk getting covid19 is exactly what they have the right to do and had nothing to do with any government dictate.

    If you want to go out and party, you can.

    Oh and

    They’re coming for your super!

    I’ve been predicting this for thirty years!

    Any moment now!

  117. dover_beach

    roseberry beads

    Just lol

  118. Peter the old fossil

    A supporter of the church is seen with his roseberry beads ahead of the George Pell appeal hearing at the Supreme Court of Victoria in June 2019 in Melbourne.

    Haha! Thanks for that, LL. I needed a good chuckle to start the day.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    The fundamental George Pell question is whether he is the victim of one of the gravest injustices in Australian legal history or just a jailhouse pedophile with some rich contacts.

    Mmmyes.
    Wink, nudge.
    “He bought his way out.”

    No mention of the enormous amount of VikPol and ABC resources devoted to tipping the scales.

  120. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #3397161, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:33 am

    roseberry beads

    Just lol

    Funny, but not funny.
    The other great (cough) misunderstanding is the claim that “private prayer” after Mass had the potential to add to the time available for crimes to be committed.
    As if the procession halts in suspended animation while EVERYONE in the church engages in private prayer.
    Some do.
    But the less virtuous pile out the door tailgating the procession, so there was no magical “downtime” which enabled George to scuttle off.

  121. Peter the old fossil

    Tell us what restrictions are you breaching.

    All of them that I can at every opportunity, Nota. I’m having a cuppa, and Then I’ll be off to see if I can break a few more.

    And I’m not giving details about how I spend my time because there are too many dibber dobbers around here.

    Can you spell “comply”, Nota? How about “intimidated”?
    I just knew you could.

    And frankly older people making personal decisions not to risk getting covid19 is exactly what they have the right to do and had nothing to do with any government dictate.

    Thank you, Nota. That’s exactly what I am doing. But it sure is lonely.

    If you want to go out and party, you can.

    I am, Nota. Enjoy cringing in your hovel.

    Oh and They’re coming for your super!

    No, Nota. They’ve now already got it.
    You just haven’t noticed yet.

  122. Ellie

    Is that sign writer taking the piss out of Daniel Andrews on channel 10?

  123. Top Ender

    Adam’s complete column:

    TOTAL SHUTDOWN MAY BE TOO HIGH A PRICE

    ADAM CREIGHTON

    With limited resources, trade-offs must be considered in confronting the pandemic

    If there’s one government department that must have been flat-out this past fortnight, it must be the Office of Best Practice Regulation. Nestled in the Prime Minister’s department, the unit requires government produce a regulation impact statement that assesses “the economic, social and environmental costs and benefits” of policies that elicit “more than a minor impact — be it positive or negative — on individuals, businesses or community organisations”.

    The extraordinary array of impositions and expenditures to combat the spread of COVID-19 certainly qualify, but we are yet to see any regulation impact statement. How many people, and based on what evidence, are these measures saving? What are the economic and social costs of the shutdown and the spending to counter it? With our parliaments effectively shut, we must ask such questions more than ever. So far, it’s not clear we are maximising lives saved at the least cost to the economy. There is vast disagreement among experts about the likely death toll from COVID-19, and the effectiveness of draconian impositions on businesses and households.

    Studies such as the one that convinced the British government to shut down its economy — by Imperial College London, forecasting 500,000 deaths — are contradicted by at least as many others suggesting a far lower death rate. And history is littered with epidemiology exaggeration.

    In 2005 the British chief medical officer warned a deadly pandemic from Asian bird flu was “a biological inevitability”. David Nabarro, the World Health Organisation official overseeing the global response, said “up to 150 million” could die. Ultimately, 67 died. In late 1997, British officials who’d warned 14 months earlier the human variant of mad cow disease would kill 500,000 people conceded about 200 had died, as detailed in the 2013 book Scared to Death, which chronicles the damage inflicted by frequent bouts of mass hysteria.

    COVID-19 is clearly much more serious, having already killed about 70,000 people, but the toll is still a long way short of predictions of over 100,000 dead here, and tens of millions globally.

    New Zealand’s draconian response is held out as an exemplar but the Ardern government is crushing its economy when there’s scant evidence such a policy works. And what happens when the restrictions are lifted, as they must be?

    “Suppression strategies … cannot prevent an epidemic from taking place indefinitely because there is no acquisition of herd immunity. Once control is lifted, a serious outbreak is likely to take place,” concluded four New Zealand statisticians in disease modelling released late last month.

    So far New Zealand’s death toll

    (1) is far lower than that of Sweden (over 400), whose government has resisted locking down citizens and closing businesses. But Japan has resisted lockdown, and apparently has fewer infections than Australia.

    Wildly different experiences with infections and fatalities across nations relate more to the underlying age and morbidity of the population, and geography, than how many people can go jogging together.

    Among the threadbare evidence in favour of total lockdowns, a March US Federal Reserve paper finds, based on how US cities handled the Spanish flu, severe restrictions on the economy “not only lower mortality; they also mitigate the adverse economic consequences of a pandemic”. Yet the restrictions imposed back then were far less draconian than proposed now: almost 80 per cent of US cities only went so far as closing schools and banning public gatherings, and the median duration of such incursions was four weeks.

    Concerns about the economy are dismissed as heartless but the downsides of prolonged recession are very human. If income contracts 10 per cent as a result of government restrictions, as many economists now expect, even for three months, that’s a national income loss of around $50bn — more than the federal government spends on Medicare and the Pharmaceutical Benefit Schedules combined.

    Aside from mass joblessness and destruction of businesses, more suicide, domestic violence, drug abuse, criminality and prostitution are also likely if the shutdown lasts long enough — naturally all weighing most heavily on the poorest half of society.

    For now, politicians have listened mainly to medical experts, whose priorities are understandably public health. And one can’t blame them, given the hysterical atmosphere.

    Rather than bluntly taking a sledgehammer to economic activity, it would be better to urgently boost the capacity of the health system, let the bulk of the population get on with their lives and take special precautions with at-risk groups.

    All lives obviously matter but governments need to be realistic. Resources aren’t unlimited and trade-offs, however unedifying, are inevitable.

    Oz

  124. Des Deskperson

    ‘Taking the laptop home and working at the kitchen table is perfectly normal for most PE employees.’

    And it is now normal – ongoing and full time – for tens of thousands of APS employees.

    however, in normal times, APS employee working permanently from home – note ‘permanently’; we are not talking here about simply taking stuff home after work – may be entitled to some assistance in setting up a home office, particularly if there are OH&S concerns. As I have always understood it, this is part of any employer’s normal duty of care.

    When I mentioned this yesterday, I was abused as a person living in a privileged tax-payer funded bubble. No one in PE doing ongoing home based work, I was told, would ever be given any such entitlements.

    I found this hard to believe given my admittedly limited knowledge of employment law, and it seems, after all, that some PE cats do, in normal times get some form of employer assistance in setting up their home offices. I myself find it impossible to believe that a PE firm like, say, E&Y would take no interest in and no responsibility for the conditions of its home based workers.

  125. shatterzzz

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOgmqWUAE8I
    Maybe one of the best commercials ever made ..

  126. Ellie

    It’s ok Frank. I’m going to bed.

  127. Shy Ted

    1735099 #3397128, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:59 am
    Given that everybody here knows my name, all of the above could be confirmed by a little targeted googling.

    Googled, contacted. Can confirm they know you as Mad Bob. No bride, no kids. You live at home with your mum.

  128. notafan

    Peter

    You know you contradicted yourself, right.

    I’m not ‘cringing’ in my ‘hovel’.

    ‘Comply’ :intimidated’

    That’s right every one, not you, is a mindless sheeple.

    You have no respect for people, and no concept that people are and always have been capable of acting in their own best interests.

    I bet if there was an actual war on you’d be claiming there is no such thing as V2 missiles the government is trying to control when you hear the sirens just walk around outside like normal.

  129. dover_beach

    LL, that is right. Private prayer is just what some people, not all, engage in following Mass. Others greet their friends, others rush home to prepare or have lunch. It isn’t a formal party of the proceedings and people are moving about as it occurs.

  130. 1735099

    Shy Ted
    Googled – contacted – Shy Ted is serving 10 years for child sex crimes.
    He is allowed visitors over the age of 16.

  131. rickw

    Rather than going out just to practice (as we did before the restrictions) we combine driving with essential activity.

    What’s the point you retard? You’re in a freaking car, precisely zero chance of being infected or infecting others.

  132. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3396852, posted on April 7, 2020 at 12:06 am
    A more cogent historical parallel is the breakup of the USSR. Something like that in America would solve a lot of problems.

    m0nty
    #3396878, posted on April 7, 2020 at 12:25 am
    Also, this anti-China push by the right is some plainly transparent bullshit, trying desperately to distract from the corruption and incompetence of right-wing governments across the West.

    The resident fascist lefty shows his true colours!

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Isn’t it exercise?’ Game of backyard cricket is broken up by police and each of the players is fined $1,651 for breaking coronavirus restrictions

    Footage has emerged of a group appearing to receive fines for playing cricket
    The men are understood to have broken Victoria’s stage three coronavirus rules
    Police can fine Victorians $1,652 for failing to follow strict rules to combat virus

    Daily Mail.

  134. Sinclair Davidson

    I’m going to bed.

    Have you been up all night?

  135. pete m

    The most ridiculous part was thinking a new cardinal at a newly reopened church could get away from mass without being mobbed at the front of the church.

    Apart from the rest of the story!

  136. Ellie

    Have you been up all night?

    Yes. My body clock is skewif.

  137. stackja

    Still Tom interruptus!

  138. Ellie

    Who is Frank and where did he come from? That aside, beddie byes. X

  139. Mother Lode

    Googled, contacted. Can confirm they know you as Mad Bob. No bride, no kids. You live at home with your mum.

    That wouldn’t be a small motel at the side of a stretch of road largely untravelled since the opening of a nearby highway, would it?

    Mother will be angry.

  140. Ellie

    I’ll stay here, vr. I won’t disgrace the new open forum. It’s for sober Libertarians.

  141. Leigh Lowe

     I myself find it impossible to believe that a PE firm like, say, E&Y would take no interest in and no responsibility for the conditions of its home based workers.

    This is the problem.
    The whole public sector and political class think of the private sector as being comprised totally of NAB, BHP, Colesworths and KPMG.
    What about the accounting firm with two partners and four employees?

  142. Tel

    COVID-19 is clearly much more serious, having already killed about 70,000 people, but the toll is still a long way short of predictions of over 100,000 dead here, and tens of millions globally.

    That 100,000 prediction was always total crap.

    I predicted about 5000 total pneumonia deaths by end of year, including all the Wuhan Flu deaths.

    The surprising thing is total WuFlu is struggling to even reach 100 in Australia and that’s way lower than everywhere else. The only explanation is that we were hit with an earlier wave already in December and January while no one was counting.

  143. Peter the old fossil

    I’m not ‘cringing’ in my ‘hovel’.

    Okay. You’re cringing in your husband’s hovel?

    ‘Comply’ :intimidated’
    That’s right every one, not you, is a mindless sheeple.

    Not everyone, Nota. But 90% of Catallaxians? Yeah, sheeple.

    You have no respect for people, and no concept that people are and always have been capable of acting in their own best interests.

    I have no respect for people who spend all their time bitching and complaining about things, while at the same time refusing to lift a finger to actually DO anything about it, nota.

    I bet if there was an actual war on you’d be claiming there is no such thing as V2 missiles the government is trying to control when you hear the sirens just walk around outside like normal.

    No Nota. I’d be digging bomb shelters. I’d leave the bitching and complaining while not actually doing anything, to you and your fellow Catallaxians. After all, you’re so good at it.
    Now excuse me. I’ve finished my cuppa and I’ve things to do.

  144. Dr Faustus

    Chinese Embassy outraged at Chinese businesses being sprung systematically panic buying medical supplies in Australia for export to China.

    While a number of Australian firms (including FMG, Rio Tinto, BHP) are busy purchasing medical supplies in China, some Australian media such as SMH and The Australian are keen to defame the local Chinese companies who did similar things here in February. It was known to all that at the time China was in great need of certain medical materials in its fight against COVID-19. The procurement by the Chinese business was just to help China overcome difficulties.

    Who knew that Australian mining companies were raiding Chinese medical supplies?

  145. Mitch M.

    Ellie
    #3397188, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:59 am
    Have you been up all night?

    Yes. My body clock is skewif.

    Same here. Expect that to become more widespread. The central clock, the SCN receives inputs from the retina that help reset the clock because it does not have a precise 24 time, being in part “ticking” by the relative degradation of proteins like BMAL,PER, and CLOCK, plus a whole lot of other stuff I am ignorant about. So people who are retinally blind will not maintain a steady circadian cycle.

    Now it gets complicated because various organs have in a sense their own clocks and all these clocks need to be co-ordinated, hence the advice to maintain regular sleep, eating, and exercise regimes is not just a cultural impost, it has physiological relevance.

    In the present situation there is going to many people experiencing circadian disruption. Circadian disruption even with adequate sleep is an intrinsic physiological stressor which may have, not sure, probably in some people, psychological implications.

    One way to help maintain circadian stability is upon waking get some direct sunlight exposure because it has been suggested this sends a strong signal via the retina to the SCN.

    Melatonin is next to useless.

  146. Boris Johnson in ICU. Cripes. Thoughts are with that poor little bastard.

  147. Ellie

    That’s interesting, Mitch. A very scientific analysis.

    Hi, Monty.

  148. min

    Pressure is now being put on the Feds to help support the 1.1million visa holders who do not have medicare and have lost jobs such as those on tourist visas and not sure of others . They have been told togo home but of course may not have the money to do so.
    I employ one such person , a Philippino who works as a cleaner and is paid cash and I am told many like her . She has worked in other place like HongKong and helps family back home. She has very good English and can understand the instructions on equipment and tells me her government trains girls in cleaning. She also works three days a week in a nursing home paid under the award rate The owner promised her a PCA certificate and a visa for $2000 which of course is not possible. After I explained that she had been conned ,she went to accepted college to get qualifications $6000 for a foreigner which she could not afford. she cannot afford to-get sick because she cannot afford a doctor and travels everywhere by public transport and as I live in a retirement place is not coming to clean. As I said many like her in Australia but what do we do about it?

  149. Steve trickler

    She’s won me over.



  150. calli

    From calli’s link at 6:47.

    That was Tinta, LL.

    Can you eat roseberry beads when hungry? Do they taste good?

  151. Boambee John

    Projections for China’s economic future by 2030 put it ahead of India and the US.
    Population projections are similar.

    Seagull lives in computer models world. Hard to find a spot to crap on when you are standing knee deep in crap!

  152. Mitch M.

    Boambee John
    #3397232, posted on April 7, 2020 at 9:27 am
    Projections for China’s economic future by 2030 put it ahead of India and the US.
    Population projections are similar.

    Seagull lives in computer models world. Hard to find a spot to crap on when you are standing knee deep in crap!

    Computer model proves most computer models are wrong.

  153. calli

    No one in PE doing ongoing home based work, I was told, would ever be given any such entitlements.

    Des, like Nota, I have a fairly senior bankie IT guy in the family. No one has come to check his house. The assumption is that he’s an adult and can look after himself. Daughter likewise. I don’t want to give too much away, but she’s in a position to know all about OH&S and the possibility of claims.

    But this is their companies/organisations.

    What others do is as opaque to me as the workings of the APS. I am grateful for your contributions here – they’re far worthier than my dribble, and shed a lot of light on what happens in government.

  154. Des Deskperson

    ‘What about the accounting firm with two partners and four employees?’

    LL, Im not an expert on employment law, but I would have thought that an employer’s duty of care in relation ongoing home based worker would apply to any firm, regardless if size.

  155. Old School Conservative

    Just testing – thanks for the easy to read instructions Zippy.

  156. Tom

    Carnival Cruise Lines. Rebounding like a newly-bought squash ball.

    Like an autistic 12-year-old, Carnival and the rest of the US/Europe cruising industry suddenly discovered Australasia about five years ago, after pretending it wasn’t there for all of the 20th century.

    Carnival, which runs the Ruby Princess, had been driving a manic price-driven market share expansion Down Under, which culminated with criminal investigation against the NSW Health Department for ignoring health regulations and spreading Kung Flu like peanut butter.

    The heath Nazis, who have since been given police state powers over our lives, were asleep at the wheel, but the investigation will ensure not a single health Nazi or politician will be held accountable.

    If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

  157. Mater

    I don’t want to give too much away, but she’s in a position to know all about OH&S and the possibility of claims.

    At the end of the day, I think many of the OH&S obligations have gone the same way as our individual rights.
    I’m yet to have an electrician lob on my doorstep wanting to test-and-tag all my extension leads and power supplies.

    [Sarc On] We are at war FFS! [Sarc Off]

    You can be sure they’ll return, bigger and more onerous than ever, when this thing subsides.

  158. Old School Conservative

    With the sad news of Honor Blackman’s death came OSC’s memories of dad’s advice from long ago.
    “She’s the best example of Out Of Your League son.”

  159. Frank

    One thing about this flu is that lots of people may be at home monitoring the ABC news channel to keep abreast of the latest. People that are not political tragic and would never normally bother to watch it.
    This usually takes the form of seeing the live presentation in the morning and then the gradual nuancing by the reporters throughout the day until the final narrative is presented at 6PM. The comparison between the final product and the raw source material is not often flattering to the ABC IMHO.
    If nothing else positive comes of it a more widespread distrust of the press is probably a good thing.

  160. Geriatric Mayfly

    0945 Milligan now on industrial strength Benzos, ABC water coolers topped up with valium.

  161. duncanm

    NSW coronavirus social-distancing to stay ‘until vaccine is found’, Premier Gladys Berejiklian says

    what a monumentally stupid statement.

  162. While I am concerned for the Swedes who are copping a pasting, their situation is a direct result of their unquestioning support for their insane Scandohag government.
    Is it wrong to gloat a little in response to the endless hours of being lectured to by arrogant Swedes on various worksites around the world?

  163. John Comnenus

    Must be detestation news – nothing on the ABC JUST IN section yet

  164. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Pell has been freed! Wonderful news, breaking on Yahoo now.

  165. H B Bear

    ABC spin doctors will be working overtime today. Mincing Marr will be having a Bex and a lie down before heading to the bathhouse for some relaxation.

  166. H B Bear

    Fatty Ashton should spend the rest of the day working on his resignation letter. Another black day for VicPol and the laughably descibed Victoriastan judicial system.

  167. Leonie Ryan
    @LeonieFRyan
    It is important to note that George Pell is NOT innocent. The High Court judgement found there was NOT enough evidence to convict him. The offence COULD have occurred, but there was enough ‘reasonable doubt’ in the allegations.
    FIRKIN BARSTEWARD HAG

  168. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    numbers is so enamoured with communism, perhaps he should spend his final days in china?

  169. NFA:

    That is why the ‘heroic’ captain of the nuclear fucking powered ship who broke the chain of command will be fucking lucky if he is not shot by firing squad.

    There’s a lot of O’Bamatrash in the military. Same as in Australia and GB.
    We need a bloody great purge of our institutions.

  170. NoFixedAddress

    Amen Winston….Amen

  171. Tinta:

    The son of the Sunbather’s cousin married and Italian girl and lives in Milan with his wife and daughter -every time he goes out shopping for essentials, masked and gloved, he changes every item of clothing, before entering the house, showers and then every item is wiped down with antiseptic wipes — what a way to live — is this what we can expect?

    If the WZV was as real and dangerous as it was touted, the process would be fine. However it isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as the measures suggest.
    I’m >65, immunocompromised, and able to take my chances. Happy – sort of – to self isolate.
    The issue here is the over the top reaction by the fuckwits in charge.
    There has been no call for common sense to be practiced by the low risk people, just a “Get in your box, Citizen or we’ll hammer you with fines.” This, along with the confusion with decisions, is what is annoying people most.
    Australians don’t take to Authoritarianism – well, not out here, anyway – and they are becoming distinctly unhappy.
    In fact the speed and severity of the crackdown is now turning to anger.
    Give it another two weeks and people will start acting.

  172. Zippy:
    Your post about the continuing raid of Australian PPE by agents of the Chinese government – this is not about getting PPE to China – this is about denying PPE to Australians.

  173. Mater:

    This is the Chinese Century already, they have won. No shots were fired, Trump waved the white flag of Iso-Surrender. Australia has switched allegiance to our new Chinese overlords. No amount of whinging from you lot will change that.

    Monty has just stepped from the fence and declared his position:
    He sees himself as the man in the uniform demanding answers from the prisoner in the chair.
    You fucking weasel, Monty.

  174. Cassie:

    “Aside from mass joblessness and destruction of businesses, more suicide, domestic violence, drug abuse, criminality and prostitution are also likely if the shutdown lasts long enough — naturally all weighing most heavily on the poorest half of society.”

    We don’t matter.

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