Victorian police still have a quota

A 17-year-old learner driver was left “shocked” after being fined more than $1600 for driving with her mum during the COVID-19 lockdown.

Sharee Reynolds was supervising her daughter, Hunter, as she drove from their Hampton home to Frankston at the weekend when the pair were pulled over by police and fined for non-essential travel.

“We didn’t think for one minute that we would be doing anything wrong. We weren’t in contact with any person, we weren’t stopping anywhere,” Sharee told 3AW’s Neil Mitchell.

“She [the police officer] said we were too far from home and we would cop a fine, and that Hunter would be the person to receive that fine.”

When the mother and daughter questioned the fine, Sharee said the police officer told her police were “smashing it on the roads today”.

Source.

Then from The Age we read:

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton stood by the decision to issue the fine at a press conference on Monday afternoon, saying the driving lesson was “non-essential travel”.

“There’s lots of things we’d all like to do right now, but this is not the world we live in at the moment,” he said.

Police Minister Lisa Neville also said in a tweet that the rules were set by the Chief Health Officer who “has made clear it’s not essential activity and doesn’t fit in the 4 reasons to stay home”.

“We [are] all relying on health advice and police then enforce direction. [Victoria Police] doing great job,” she wrote.

I would have thought that driving lessons constituted “study”.

Update I: Victoria Police doubles down

Where people are so blatant or obvious or reckless, we’ll fine them.

You just can’t get out and go for a drive.

Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton.

Yes people, teaching your children to drive is going “for a drive”.

In other news, people with holiday homes can just go for a drive.

… Prof Sutton said families with a holiday home could safely travel there if they confined themselves to the home.

He said if families usually lived together and went away together, there was no extra risk as long as they followed the same stay at home directions.

I imagine MPs, senior government bureaucrats, and the like need to get away from the stress of living at home and have a nice break in the country over the long weekend. Luckily the police will be keeping all the riff-raff at bay.

Update II: Humiliating back-flip by Victoria Police.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton has said that the $1652 on-the-spot social distancing fine issued to a Hampton learner driver would be withdrawn.

Mr Patton said police should have shown discretion.

“We are going to be withdrawing that infringement this morning,” he said.

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104 Responses to Victorian police still have a quota

  1. Tim Neilson

    Presumably they live in the same household.

    They’re enclosed in the car.

    How can they possibly have posed an infection risk?

    This just demonstrates the totalitarian idiocy of the way the regulations have been drafted.

    Even if they want to maintain the structure of the regulations as they are, it would be the easiest thing in the world to have a proviso that no offence is committed if the activity can be shown to pose no discernible threat of infection.

  2. Cynic of Ayr

    Three things here
    One, It’s thieving. A fine that is designed to be applied. Straight and simple.
    Two, the stinking Police obviously think it’s funny, and they’re having fun doing it.
    Three, Victorians voted this moron in, and they knew!

  3. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    I don’t think people are going to put up with this shit for much longer. Hail the gestapo!

  4. Tel

    The same government that insisted that all international travel routes remain open at all costs, also has a secret unwritten rule, that ordinary Australians can’t travel “too far from home”.

    Because we are all in this together … except we aren’t.

  5. WolfmanOz

    One word – disgusting

  6. Docket62

    They need to not pay the fine, get lawyered up and absolutely fight this. I’ll guarantee plod will not want to front a court to explain this. All she has to say is they were on their way to get food.. the legislation does NOT say where or when.

    impossible to prosecute

  7. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “There’s lots of things we’d all like to do right now, but this is not the world we live in at the moment,” he said.

    do We need a passport for lalaland?

  8. PB

    Victoria has always been the poster-child for revenue-raising by traffic violation, ever since the worthless, incompetent Kirner-Labor Government introduced the Nation’s first speed cameras, after waiting for a wet weekend for political cover.

  9. Docket62

    Tel… there is no definition of “too far from home”in the authority under the act.

    For example, if you require a specific diet, and the only way you can get something for that diet is to drive to Echuca, because their the only one;s left open that sell it, then they cant do a damned thing.

    This is just gestapo tactics and bluff. Im telling you as an ex copper, its bluff – they will fold like a pack of cards in a court

  10. 2dogs

    Was this rule properly gazetted?

    I can’t see it in the original health direction given by Brett Sutton, was there an updated version?

    I think they are likely to have a case against the fine on the basis of a gazetting technicality.

  11. A Lurker

    Non-essential driving…hmmm.
    What about taking the car for a bit of a drive to ensure that the battery doesn’t go flat?
    I’d call that pretty essential – otherwise it would necessitate a phone call to the NRMA to get a new battery.

  12. nb

    Yes, it is education.
    Great PR? Or maybe in the ‘stan they don’t worry about that…
    I do hope they also catch some hate speech on twitter as well. For example, if someone broadcast a cat that, incidentally to the theme of the video, had a swastika (6 million dead) pattern faintly discernible in its fur.
    Hammer and sickle (100 million dead)? No probs.

  13. sfw

    This egregious crack down on our civil rights has demonstrated who if they lived in East Germany or the Soviet Union or any other totalitarian state would be the ones to inform on you, would be the ones to run the re education camps, the concentration camps and who generally don’t have an ounce of moral sense.

    I live in a small town in NE Vic, lots of people have holiday homes here, many spend half the year here. Now some of fellow residents have turned Stasi, they have left notes at peoples houses and on their cars saying things like ‘You have been reported’, ‘Leave now you shouldn’t be here’ ‘we are watching you’ and so on. Disgraceful but it lets you know that in a police state there is always someone wanting to be on the side of power.

  14. Bruce Parr

    This obviously the Barrister support package at work. The defendants will win the case but the lawyers will be saved from poverty.

  15. 2dogs

    Ok, here it is.

    There doesn’t appear to be anything covering this situation.

  16. duncanm

    Ok.. here’s the relevant vic public health order (took some digging to find).

    They should have said they were on the way to the hardware store, or search for bog roll.

    I certainly have to roam far and wide to find the latter.

  17. duncanm

    2dogs – that’s the previous order.. bloody hard to find the current one, but see my link.

  18. duncanm

    here’s the page with all the current orders in Vic, I think

  19. John64

    Hardly surprising; but the most worrying aspect of all this is the undisguised and unbridled enthusiasm in which Despot Dan and Ashton’s Circus have donned the jackboots.

  20. duncanm

    sfw

    I live in a small town in NE Vic, lots of people have holiday homes here, many spend half the year here. Now some of fellow residents have turned Stasi, they have left notes at peoples houses and on their cars saying things like ‘You have been reported’, ‘Leave now you shouldn’t be here’ ‘we are watching you’ and so on. Disgraceful but it lets you know that in a police state there is always someone wanting to be on the side of power.

    They should tell the ‘locals’ to fuck right off.

    There is an explicit exemption for moving between multiple ‘ordinary’ residences.

  21. duncanm

    I would have thought that driving lessons constituted “study”.

    .. but not to an ‘educational institution’ per the Vic wording.

    In NSW, it seems that excuse may work, as we have ‘travelling for the purposes of work or education if the person cannot do it at home’

  22. Hay Stockard

    sfw,
    East Germany was the same. It’s no coincidence.

  23. Mak Siccar

    Prof Sinc, why are you surprised at this appalling overreach? This is the Socialist ‘Democratic Republic of Victoriastan after all, the state where you live!

  24. Sinclair Davidson

    I report – you decide.

  25. BM

    Hunter becomes the hunted.

  26. miltonf

    Full blown putsch. Very frightening and in such a short space of time.

  27. Dinky

    Next time they go for a drive they should wear a headscarf. That’ll guarantee they’ll never get pulled over.

  28. Jock

    And the police wonder why they are not trusted by sections of the community? Just straight bastardry.

    BTW just returned from “exercise” walking along the local beach at Port Mac. Absolutely beautiful. And no coppers. Probably there in force tomorrow to check that 1 we are exercising and 2 that we are under 70.

  29. Tim Neilson

    Incidentally, how are the Hunchback and Fatty’s minions going to check whether a visitor to someone’s house really is in an “intimate relationship” rather than making a highly criminal non-sexual social call for a cup of tea?

    In past decades, grubby private detectives spied on people to see whether they were rooting.

    Are we now going to have grubby taxpayer-funded detectives spying on people to see whether they’re NOT rooting?

    There’s got to be a Carry On film or Benny Hill sketch in this.

  30. Docket62

    here’s the page with all the current orders in Vic, I think

    Brilliant… everyone should print a copy and keep it in the car or on them.. and when plod decides to exercise his authority… then pull this out and ask them to show where its says they can’t exercise at 11PM – 72 kilomètres from home.

  31. Pete of Perth

    Rule #1. Only define 50 % of the rules.
    Rule #2. There is no rule #2

  32. professor Fred Lenin

    Who the hell elected the chief health officer Esteemed Leader for Life ? get real wanker ! quash the fine on the poor kid have yo=u ever had teenagers stuck in the house all day and night ?
    Surely a warning should have been enough I hope we dont have to fight authority to regain our liberty and rights ,wait till the next election if they allow one the useless Victorian Linos will win by default not ability .

  33. Delphi

    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, so just as the crowds on Bondi & St Kilda beaches caused the governments concerned to tighten restrictions, so this sort of bastardry will only cause the public to react appropriately. As Colonel Bunty Golightly says “people won’t put up,with this shit.

  34. duncanm

    Docket62
    #3396157, posted on April 6, 2020 at 5:04 pm
    here’s the page with all the current orders in Vic, I think

    Brilliant… everyone should print a copy and keep it in the car or on them.. and when plod decides to exercise his authority… then pull this out and ask them to show where its says they can’t exercise at 11PM – 72 kilomètres from home.

    Indeed.

    It can be bloody hard to find an open hardware store at that time of night, too..

  35. Lee

    It’s simple; Commissar Daniel Andrews’ government is losing so much money on speeding and running red light tickets (because so many are stuck at home), that the order has come on down from high for the police to book and fine people for absolutely trivial “offences.”

    What has happened to this girl is nothing less than appalling and an indictment on the Victorian government and police.

  36. Roger

    The same government that insisted that all international travel routes remain open at all costs, also has a secret unwritten rule, that ordinary Australians can’t travel “too far from home”.

    It’s the Victorian gov’t in view here.

    And it is specified in a public health order.

    But is it a reasonable and proportionate application of the chief medical officer’s powers in consideration of the threat posed by the activity? I would suggest not. Avenues of administrative or judicial review should be available in Victoria. You are still a democracy, aren’t you? The girl shouldn’t pay the fine in the meantime.

  37. Lee

    Incidentally, how are the Hunchback and Fatty’s minions going to check whether a visitor to someone’s house really is in an “intimate relationship” rather than making a highly criminal non-sexual social call for a cup of tea?

    I know “Hunchback” is Andrews, but who is “Fatty’?
    The police commish, Ashton?

  38. duncanm

    I suggest when plod approaches to start coughing loudly.

    Sweating a bit wouldn’t hurt, either.

  39. Docket62

    And it is specified in a public health order.

    Can you link to that order please? Ive read the Victorian orders back to back… nothing like that mentioned anywhere

  40. miltonf

    Does Liberty Victoria still exist?

  41. Roger

    Via duncan’s 2nd link above, docket.

    Clarification – driving lessons are not specifically ruled out, but they clearly don’t come under necessary travel in the order.

  42. sfw

    Liberty Vic once gave Julian Burnside a Voltaire Award, shortly after he called for global warming ‘deniers’ to be jailed. They have moved further left every year and the chance of them criticising a Labor or Green politician is zero. If the faux Liberals of Victoria were doing what Andrews is Liberty Vic would be screaming.

    Who knows we may some day get a genuine Liberal/conservative party in Vic, but it could take a long time.

  43. I was going to comment about 2 family members in same car but Tim at first post got there.

    VICPOL has a bad enough reputation as it is but cases like this just create more dislike from ordinary members of the public.

    Each Australian police “service” should be monitoring moronic stories being publicised each day. For example : Sydney cop moving on two breast feeding mothers on a bench, cop car driving right up to guy reading book in park and the driving instructor case. Then when the shift commander is doing his briefing (like in Hill St Blues be careful out there) they can say don’t be that common sense deprived cop that just made the news for being an idiot.

    However on the other hand if somebody spits or coughs deliberately at a medical worker or cop etc then if charged deny them bail. Take the blame if there is any bad publicity over that knowing you have the publics full support. In fact advertise that is what is going to happen.

  44. mc

    The same government that insisted that all international travel routes remain open at all costs, also has a secret unwritten rule, that ordinary Australians can’t travel “too far from home”.

    Agree Tel. the same morons that said we didn’t need to shut the borders are now saying we can’t go for a drive. I worked in some “emergency response” agencies. Once the blood is up there is nothing they will not force people to do for their own good.

    CS Lewis had right when he said:

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

  45. notafan

    Clearly people need to plan around this to avoid fines.

    Make sure you are on your way to the supermarket or going to the park to exercise.

    Pulling people over based on where the vehicle is registered is an abuse of power.

    Shame on you vikpol

  46. Docket62

    Clarification – driving lessons are not specifically ruled out, but they clearly don’t come under necessary travel in the order.

    There’s nothing specified in any of those orders that relate ‘too far from home’… at least not that I could find. The only two that are relavant are the ‘stay at home’ order and the ‘restricted activity order’ – neither of which are overly specific.

    These orders are specific and noticeable vague, but they do not exclude certain activities. So where this girl was learning to drive on her way to whatever lawful activity they were heading to, she committed no offense.

    Would be a pretty simple brief to have thrown out. And I repeat to all here.. download the orders And carry them with you.

  47. notafan

    And they’ve been directed to do it, obviously.

  48. Tim Neilson

    I know “Hunchback” is Andrews, but who is “Fatty’?
    The police commish, Ashton?

    Yes, the egregious “Fatty” Ashton, the Rule of Law’s Friend, famous for (among other things):
    (a)advertising for complainants against Cardinal Pell;
    (b) being involved in “Lawyer X” informing on her clients to VicPol while she was acting for them.

  49. Lee

    Liberty Vic once gave Julian Burnside a Voltaire Award, shortly after he called for global warming ‘deniers’ to be jailed. They have moved further left every year and the chance of them criticising a Labor or Green politician is zero. If the faux Liberals of Victoria were doing what Andrews is Liberty Vic would be screaming.

    The ACLU in the U.S. is just as bad.
    Both have well and truly sold their principles down the river; now it’s just a case of them picking and choosing whose rights they will defend, mainly lefties.
    I couldn’t have put your last sentence any better.

  50. Hay Stockard

    Chief Health Officer seems to have been given the power of issuing ukase, not unlike another repressive regime. That didn’t end well.

  51. Boambee John

    miltonf
    #3396187, posted on April 6, 2020 at 5:20 pm
    Does Liberty Victoria still exist?

    No longer needed, their (hidden) objective of an all-powerful fascist/communist state has been achieved.

  52. Mater

    And they’ve been directed to do it, obviously.

    Correct Nota.
    My wife got done in a setup that was constructed like a breathe testing station (road block) without the breathe testing facilities.
    It’s very organised. Nothing random about it.

  53. Clam Chowdah

    Simply retarded.

  54. rickw

    Daniel Andrews – Totalitarian Turd.
    Brett Sutton – Totalitarian Turd.
    Victoria Police – Totalitarian Turds.

    Don’t pay these arseholes a cent, take it to court, fuck them!

  55. miltonf

    Yeah this whole police state thing, like East Germany in the 70s, leaves you breathless- coup, ambush, surprise attack. You can’t just go out for a drive except when you can. Up another rachet- click.

  56. vlad

    You can go to the post office or the bank or any shop that hasn’t been ordered shut.

    Remember that if you’re pulled over. You suddenly decided at that moment you were going to the bank or the post office. Until then you were exercising – your foot on the accelerator and clutch/brake pedals, that is.

  57. Arnost

    Ludicrous … and like they couldn’t give a toke fine or better yet a warning.

    I took my young un for a drive yesterday up the old Pacific Hwy to Gosford (to build up some hours as the priority was assignments and exams). This is now in the logbook.

    I can see a world fast approaching and the Gestapo going [papers please!] and looking at the date / time / distance and determine all the breaches and retrospectively applying fines. “You have the right amount of hours and you passed your test. Congratulations! That will be $59 for the license and $10,378 in fines for driving in unnecessarily.”

  58. vlad

    Daniel Andrews – Totalitarian Turd.
    Brett Sutton – Totalitarian Turd.
    Victoria Police – Totalitarian Turds.

    Likewise Annaliese van Diemen.

    We have seen the enemy and it is they.

    The legal profession says nothing. And the press says nothing.

  59. vlad

    they couldn’t give a toke fine

    I think they’d fine you if you had a toke.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    1. Brett Sutton is part of the Ban Fizzy Drinks putsch and tot aally fucking enjoying wearing the jackboots.
    2. The only likely transfer of Kung Flu bug into or out of the family circle was when the fat VikPlod Nazi asked the driver to wind down the window of the sealed vehicle.

  61. Bosnich

    Crikey,you’d have to be unlucky to see a copper while driving around Victoria/Melbourne. I have regularly driven to Geelong and back for many years. Up until speed cameras were installed you would regularly see highway patrol vehicles on that freeway.Since cameras came into being the cars have largely disappeared.Mind you at each camera site there are regular skid marks on the road,mainly trucks,where all the law abides suddenly slow down often for no reason.

  62. Narwhal Tusk

    Dr Van Diemen, for a Dr I’m sure she is, should be sentenced to a spell at Port Arthur.
    Anyway, my old car needs a run. I have to fill out the logbook for club rego.
    Entry can’t be “bog roll search” so it will be “tune up” or “brake test”
    I guess they’ll get me on a technicality, even though I will be saying:
    Food
    Drink (bottle shop ok?)
    Get petrol
    Visit girl friend.
    Going to office.
    Hope that girl refuses to pay.
    Grrrrrrrr

  63. Ubique

    Socialist states are always on the brink of full totalitarianism.

  64. exsteelworker

    Wow Victoriastan is an understatement. How quickly they go full blown KGB at the slight wiff of socialist authoritarianism. Lenin would be so proud Dan the man.

  65. Ubique

    It’s a perfect time for WA to finally implement the outcome of its 1933 Secession Referendum in which two thirds of Western Australian voted in favour of leaving the Federation.

  66. Procrustes

    Everyone, please keep collecting these stories and taking down the names. When the time comes we should remember who imposed and pursued these asinine laws and hold them to account.

  67. Docket62

    You can go to the post office or the bank or any shop that hasn’t been ordered shut.

    The orders also do not specify WHERE those places are relative to your place of residence. I cant stress this enough people.. PUSH BACK. If you are stopped, question them ‘under what authority are you issuing this penalty?’ ‘On what basis do you state my reason is not an exemption?’ (Record the conversation and no you DO NOT have to tell them you are – thats only phones)

    No one just goes for a drive, there’s always a destination… make sure its appropriate

  68. vr

    They are walking it back, Sinc. According to the Age, they are going to “review it”.

  69. MatrixTransform

    teaching to drive isn’t education ?

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    Too late to review, vr. they can’t walk this back.

    The upper level Plod can deflect onto the gummint all it likes. It’s too late to have any effect.

    The once great and respected Victoria Police is now a shell, populated by managers and no initiative non-common sense people.

    P3ll.
    Lawyer X.
    The upcoming comprised investigation into the murder of two of their own in 1998.
    Now – this enthusiastic torment of Joe and Jane Taxpayer.

    A hideous breach of community confidence they will never, ever recover from.

  71. MatrixTransform

    wait, I get it …

    police badgering people unnecessarily IS education

    makes perfect sense

  72. MatrixTransform

    A hideous breach of community confidence they will never, ever recover from.

    Raelene Castle would make a great Police Commissioner

  73. Rafe Champion

    In the real world this would be a particular good time for a learner to go out and clock up some hours while there is less traffic on the road during the day. It would also relieve some of the stir-craziness that many people are likely to experience. What happened to protecting mental health? Bureaucracy and insanity on stilts.

  74. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    What about taking the car for a bit of a drive to ensure that the battery doesn’t go flat?

    I have to do that once a week to keep the battery charged, it is an almighty pain in the yarts – and believe me driving around Sydneystan is not fun at the best of times.

    As for the behaviour of the idiot cops in Viktoristan is anyone in the slightest bit surprised? Cops have been behaving like this for decades, even when we aren’t existing in extraordinary times that require them, our beloved pollies and braindead bureaucrats to go the full jumped up little hitler.

  75. duncanm

    I imagine MPs, senior government bureaucrats, and the like need to get away from the stress of living at home and have a nice break in the country over the long weekend. Luckily the police will be keeping all the riff-raff at bay.

    yup – AirBNB’s and caravan parks have been shut down in NSW. No holidays for the proles.

  76. Sinclair Davidson

    They are walking it back, Sinc. According to the Age, they are going to “review it”.

    They had an opportunity to walk back today and fluffed it.

    Mind you this is the same police force that bragged about grilling a 13-year old girl at the football a few years ago.

  77. Bruce

    “Clarification – driving lessons are not specifically ruled out, but they clearly don’t come under necessary travel in the order.”

    So, in the fine tradition of statists everywhere: two-bob each way.

    It used to be, a LONG time ago that our legal systems was based on the fundamental precept of “the presumption of innocence” and “that which id not specifically forbitten is “permitted”.

    For decades now, the entire body politic of this festering penal colony has been hurtling towards a rigorous adoption of the Napoleonc Code: “That which is not expressly PERMITTED is forbidden; coupled with the presumption of GUILT. Think: If you weren’t guilty, the Ninjas wouldn’t have worked you over with the hose and phone-book and brought you here to be administered justice”..

    Expect more 3AM “door-knocks” and Glocks being emptied on many more occasions.

  78. Rob MW

    It seems to me that all the little totalitarians are going to have a hard time when this bat-bug is finally put to bed. This little ditty is for them, to remind them the way things were:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr-9OG2Okt0

  79. Tel

    Record the conversation and no you DO NOT have to tell them you are – thats only phones

    If you have a dash cam it keeps recording audio when the car is stopped provided the engine is turning over. Although check that YMMV.

  80. Nighthawk the Elder

    What is becoming abundantly clear is that emergency management needs an overhaul. I don’t know about other states, but here in Victoriastan, Emergency Management Victoria is missing in action and this whole exercise is being treated as a health matter not an emergency matter. What’s the difference you may ask?

    The post the other day by The Beer Whisperer on the precautionary principle Vs risk management got me thinking. Emergency managers deal with risk and understand it (usually). If they didn’t, no strike team would ever get near a fire front, for example. Health experts on the other hand are risk averse, sometimes to extremes. They took an oath “to do no harm” and to some that means wrapping the world in cotton wool.

    This pandemic is being managed by health experts and if you examine some of the more bizarre decisions you see risk aversion in action. That includes this stupid example of fining a learner driver. A risk based approach would tell you the likelihood of community transmission with the mother and daughter is near zero. Not actual zero, near zero. Risk aversion on the other hand will consider the extreme outlier such as, “but what if the car breaks down and the roadside assist guy is an asymptomatic carrier?” And the die will be cast based on this extremely unlikely scenario.

    Where to from here? Emergency management is used to dealing with visible disaster, fire, floods, weather events and so on. It has become apparent pandemics are not within their remit, at least in Vic. Community outbreaks of disease, all the way up to pandemic needs to be brought under the emergency management umbrella.

    Yes, there is a place for the input of health experts, however some of their more extreme recommendations need to be put through a risk assessment process and challenged as to what are the real consequences and likelihoods are. They need to be part of the scope for training in emergency management to avoid idiotic decisions. Politicians also need additional training. Suggesting that going fishing on your own on a remote riverbank will kill someone’s grandmother (as Dan the shrill Andrews suggested) is grand standing bullshit.

    (Apologies for length Sinc).

  81. Docket62

    Glocks being emptied on many more occasions.
    Actually the front line are using S&W MP .40’s. A plastic gun with a trigger safety and the equivalent of ‘cat’ bullets.

    Thats not a gun……..

  82. Dr Faustus

    Don’t rely on the executive’s interpretation: take it to Court.
    Oops, it’s Victoria.

  83. Fresh Pat

    Why bother commenting, it’ll get lost.
    I wouldn’t pay the fucken thing.

  84. Fresh Pat

    Bugger, foot is sore from self administered shot.

  85. Squirrel

    Arbitrary and inconsistent rules may not be such a problem when they’re honoured more in the breach, but when they are enforced with great gusto (some of the time), the punterariat will start getting stroppy.

    Team Australia, maybe. Tame Australia – not so sure.

  86. Docket62

    If you have a dash cam it keeps recording audio when the car is stopped provided the engine is turning over

    +1

  87. Tim Neilson

    Arbitrary and inconsistent rules may not be such a problem when they’re honoured more in the breach,

    That’s no doubt better than fanatically pervasive enforcement Squirrel, but actually that’s got its own dangers.

    The problem is that when they decide they’re going to get someone, they can use those arbitrary and rarely enforced laws to do it, and there’s nothing that can be done because “it’s the law”, which means that laws of that kind are basically the equivalent of giving the authorities the power of arbitrary punishment.

    You hear it all the time – “oh, yes, the law’s drafted quite broadly but the relevant bureaucracy have assured us that they’ve got an administrative policy to apply it only in extreme cases…”.

    Laws need to be drafted as narrowly as possible in the first place.

  88. Kneel

    I wouldn’t pay the fucken thing.

    contested. Oh – courts are shut? Guess we’ll need to wait then, huh?

  89. Red Robbo

    Ashton is also the copper who could see nothing worth pursuing in the Red Shirts rort, in which ALP officials actively conspired to defraud the public. And then, well, stap me vittles, Dan’s “full co-operation with the police” statement turned out to be worth less than the paper it wasn’t written on! Who’d have thought it?

    And The Age and ABC/SBS run totally dead in Victoria on any of this, but went screaming mad when a Lib pollie used his gummint car for a few grand’s worth of private travel.

    We are on the way to a one-party state here.

  90. Knuckle Dragger

    Nighthawk,

    Excellent analysis of emergency management v medical people.

  91. Robber Baron

    VikPol = Einsatzgruppen

  92. Nighthawk the Elder

    Cheers Knuckle Dragger.

  93. a reader

    Interestingly the NSW Police put a statement on facebook this arvo that said teaching your kid to drive is perfectly fine.

    #COVID19 Frequently asked questions
    Q: Can I take a learner driver for a lesson?
    A: Under the Public Health Orders, a person cannot leave their place of residence without a reasonable excuse.
    A reasonable excuse includes travelling for the purposes of work where you cannot work from home, so driving instructors can leave their house for their work – to teach people how to drive.
    We consider that it would be a reasonable excuse for a person to leave their house to receive driving lessons (either from a driving instructor or a member of their family), given that this is a learning activity that cannot be done from home and is akin to the listed reasonable excuse of travelling to attend an educational institution where you cannot learn from home.
    Learner drivers could also continue to drive with a supervising family member for any of the listed reasonable excuses for leaving the house – for example, driving to the supermarket

    https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/posts/10157738379496185

  94. Robber Baron

    Nighthawk the Elder
    #3396494, posted on April 6, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Given that senior medical bureaucrats are activists, then you can be certain they are Marxists and in Dictator Dan’s pocket.

  95. Up The Workers!

    Maybe the unfortunate Learner Driver slapped with a $1,600.00 fine should have gillarded that she was on her way to a massive Musbyterian Wedding Reception, and Dodgy Dan’s Labor Blackshirts would have provided her with a Police Escort – replete with lights and sirens.

    In Dodgy Danistan, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics are all effectively under Martial Law and House Arrest and are not currently allowed to have proper funerals or wedding receptions, but Dodgy Dan’s Musbyterians, as usual, can do whatever they like with the selectively blind eye, deaf ear and dumb tongue of Labor’s “Ashton’s Circus” Farce Command giving them the nod.

    This is Mogadishu-by-the-Yarra, after all.

  96. Chris M

    Always film them and refuse to talk to any cop that isn’t wearing a face mask. These roving thugs have crossed the line into armed robbery now.

  97. MatrixTransform

    PoliceMole: where are you going and why?
    Learner Driver: to the Doctor … mum hasn’t been able to shake the cough since getting off the cruise
    Instructor: cough

  98. Entropy

    Nighthawk the Elder
    #3396494, posted on April 6, 2020 at 8:12 pm
    What is becoming abundantly clear is that emergency management needs an overhaul. I don’t know about other states, but here in Victoriastan, Emergency Management Victoria is missing in action and this whole exercise is being treated as a health matter not an emergency matter. What’s the difference you may ask?

    The health department is a lead agency in a disease outbreak, as the ag Dept would be in an outbreak of foot and mouth disease. The emergency management system would be operationalising the health department’s “Direction”. Hence cops goose stepping around asking for people’s papers and why they are not in their homes.
    Think of it this way: in a natural disaster, the response is lead from the local level and regional and state provides support.
    In a Health/Biosecurity response, it is led nationally or at state level, and is managed top down.

  99. Brian May

    Young bloke booked by the same clowns who pursued their spiteful vendetta against George Pell. And who lost 7-0 in the High Court.

  100. nfw

    Just goes to show the police just don’t have enough to do and could be reduced by what, say, 50%. What the hell is the harm in driving about with your daughter? Or sitting alone in a park having a meal? But it was absolutely necessary to ensure all the Chinese, yeah right, fee paying no work in class students from Wuhan Virus Flu central made it into the country before the travel ban. Not to mention no action being taken (Says the Minister: I can’t comment because it’s the subject of a police enquiry, forever) on the Chinese nationals who stripped shelves bare without concern for Australians and exported the goods overseas for sale at a profit and bragged about it. They caused the panic buying (why toilet paper and bottled water for your preferred man-in-the-sky’s sake?) and will get off scot free laughing at us for being non-racist easily manipulated westerners. Of course the Victorian state security service, er police, will be embarrassed by the Pell decision and need to double down on that.

  101. Ubique

    The majority left-wing verdict of the Victorian Court of Appeal that Cardinal Pell be denied on the basis of “the vibe of the thing” has been roundly smashed by the High Court.

  102. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Police badgering people unnecessarily IS education

    After all, we’re in the education state…

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