Pope Francis just bitch slapped a lot of people

Awesome tweet.

Francis has just gone up in my estimation.

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110 Responses to Pope Francis just bitch slapped a lot of people

  1. Sinclair Davidson

    This must the closest a Pope would ever come to telling people to “Fuck off” in public.

  2. Sinclair Davidson

    Either that … or his account got hacked.

  3. V

    A stopped clock and all that.

    He is still an anti pope who is destroying the catholic church.

  4. mh

    Trolling the Left.

    Noice.

  5. rickw

    Not shocking what was said, just shocking that he said it!

  6. vlad

    And the twitterati are going ape over it. Good! The dog that barks is the one that got hit.

  7. vlad

    This is probably the first time that five consecutive posts at the Cat have been occasioned by one news story. I’m lovin’ it!

  8. Tel

    I think he must be talking about how tyrannical it is to put half the world under house arrest when none of them have been found guilty of anything.

    The Pope understands how we are all in this together.

  9. JC

    That’s great. Pell can now head back to Rome at the earliest.

  10. Roger

    This must the closest a Pope would ever come to telling people to “Fuck off” in public.

    The pope is referring to the set readings for Holy Week from the revised common lectionary which most liturgical churches in the West follow.

    No doubt there are applications to the Cardinal Pell matter, but they are secondary, not primary.

  11. notafan

    Clearly a reference to the persecution of Cardinal Pell.

    Good for Pope Francis.

    It pleases me!

  12. notafan

    Roger

    Timing is everything.

  13. notafan

    ‘Free me from the hand of the wicked’

    Too right.

  14. Bar Beach Swimmer

    That’s great. Pell can now head back to Rome at the earliest

    Yes

  15. WDYSIA

    If the pope continues like that he may even make me a Catholic.

    Bolt is promising to skewer Dan Andrews for that tweet tonight. I hope someone tapes it in case Sky doesn’t put it up online.

  16. WDYSIA

    Pell should head back to Rome at the earliest. The Vatican has a strict no-fly zone overhead and there would be no aversion to shooting down pesky Channel 9 helicopters.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    If you follow Francis closely he’s a very decent man, except when gets all stupid and huffy about little things like kissing the ring.

  18. JC

    Oh Stop. He’s a South American leftwing asshat. The fact he’s said something decent doesn’t remove the horseshit he said in the past. Only God forgives.

  19. C.L.

    To his credit, Francis supported Pell from day one.
    The Vatican’s hun-int is regarded highly even by intelligence services.
    He was well informed.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Francis has been steadfast about homos, family, marriage and abortion.

    He has a “catholic” view of poverty and the evils of corporatism, that looks more righteous all the time.

  21. JC

    He has a “catholic” view of poverty and the evils of corporatism, that looks more righteous all the time.

    Should I call you Che from now on? He’s a gerbil warming bedwetter, you hammerhead.

  22. C.L.

    Comensoli really pisses me off.
    Here’s his letter to priests, religious and laity of the archdiocese today.

    I want to firstly acknowledge ’J’, who brought forward his story of abuse for examination in the courts of law. This is a right we value and honour.

    I also acknowledge Cardinal Pell …

    Also?

    WTFF?

  23. nfw

    From the Pope? Really. The Pope would write “…because of someone had it in for them.”? The grammar alone is odd and one would expect the Pope to have it checked before it went out. I’m sure some English speakers work in The Vatican.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    The earth is our domain JC. We have a moral duty in its stewardship.

  25. JC

    Comensoli really pisses me off.
    Here’s his letter to priests, religious and laity of the archdiocese today.

    He’s acknowledging both equally. One’s a liar and ain’t Pell. Anyone prominent in this god forsaken country always plays halvies. It’s actually diabolical.

  26. mareeS

    Well, lots of people shoul be slapped, including Pope Francis. Certainly not Cardinal Pell.

  27. Perfidious Albino

    Great trolling. Even better if it was actually Pope Fonzie that posted it…

  28. notafan

    Now

    I’m assuming that the tweet was in Italian and Twitter used Google translate.

  29. notafan

    Comensoli is weak

    Remember he said both J and Cardinal Pell were telling the truth.

    ‘manufactured obscurity’

  30. C.L.

    Anyone know why Pell’s first stop was the Carmel?
    My guess: judging from the roly-poly sister who greeted him, a really good home-cooked meal.
    That and the fact that their apostolate is 24-7 prayer and he would be in their Book of Remembrance.
    (As am I).

  31. Infidel Tiger

    I imagine it is also secure.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Ben Wilkie
    @benvwilkie

    The context for interpreting the Pope’s tweet is the Gospel narrative and the events that take place, particularly between Jesus and the authorities, on Holy Tuesday, which is today.

  33. candy

    “because someone had it in for them”

    Nice Australian expression, and to the point. Did he really write that?

  34. notafan

    Cardinal Pell’s vindication and release date is perfect.

  35. vlad

    I’m assuming that the tweet was in Italian and Twitter used Google translate.

    There would be so many people in the Vatican with perfect English and perfect Italian.

    I just tried running the Italian text – that went online about two hours prior to the English – through google translate and it came out without the error, ie as follows:

    In questi giorni di #Quaresima abbiamo visto la persecuzione che ha subito Gesù, come è stato giudicato con accanimento, pur essendo innocente. #PreghiamoInsieme oggi per tutte le persone che soffrono per una sentenza ingiusta a causa dell’accanimento.

    In these days of # Lent we have seen the persecution that Jesus suffered, as he was judged fiercely, despite being innocent. #Let’s pray together today for all the people who suffer from an unjust sentence due to fury.

  36. Tel

    He’s a gerbil warming bedwetter, you hammerhead.

    Tiger said he is “decent” didn’t say he is terribly clever.

  37. C.L.

    Yes, today’s reading from the O.T. is amazingly apt:

    Psalm 70(71):1-6,15,17

    In you, O Lord, I take refuge;
    let me never be put to shame.
    In your justice rescue me, free me:
    pay heed to me and save me.

    Be a rock where I can take refuge,
    a mighty stronghold to save me;
    for you are my rock, my stronghold.
    Free me from the hand of the wicked.

    It is you, O Lord, who are my hope,
    my trust, O Lord, since my youth.
    On you I have leaned from my birth,
    from my mother’s womb you have been my help.

    My lips will tell of your justice
    and day by day of your help.
    O God, you have taught me from my youth
    and I proclaim your wonders still.

  38. Ivan Denisovich

    “because someone had it in for them”

    Damian Thompson:

    Cardinal George Pell is the victim of a shameful miscarriage of justice

    The High Court of Australia has unanimously overturned the conviction of Cardinal George Pell for alleged acts of child sex abuse that could not possibly have taken place. He has been acquitted and the prosecution cannot appeal.

    The 78-year-old cardinal, formerly head of the Vatican’s finances, now emerges in his true colours: as a Christian of heroic fortitude who was the victim of one of the most despicable miscarriages of justice in the history of Australia.

    For the past five years, Catholics and countless impartial observers all over the world have watched in horror as Pell was accused by the State of Victoria and then convicted on the basis of evidence riddled with implausibilities and impossibilities.

    This week’s High Court’s ruling could not be clearer. It said that the jury that convicted Pell ‘ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt with respect to each of the offences for which he was convicted’ – all relating to one fictitious episode – and ordered that ‘the convictions be quashed and that verdicts of acquittal be entered in their place’.

    Pell was convicted by a jury in December 2018 on the basis of claims by just one man. It was his second trial: earlier, a first jury could not reach a verdict. That the second jury convicted Pell unanimously is hard to explain.

    The cardinal then took his case to Victoria’s Court of Appeal. Two judges dismissed the appeal; a third, Justice Mark Weinberg, issued a dissenting statement in which he said he had genuine doubts as to Pall’s guilt and that the jury should have had them too.

    The story told by Pell’s anonymous accuser was bizarre. He claimed that in 1996 Cardinal Pell, then Archbishop of Melbourne, assaulted him and a fellow 13-year-old boy in the sacristy of his cathedral. The other boy has since sadly died. Having initially also accused Pell, he later withdrew his claim.

    The journalist Jim McDermott, writing in America magazine – a liberal Catholic publication generally unsympathetic to Pell – noted the following implausibilities in an article last February:

    The cardinal supposedly opened his vestments to reveal himself to the victims (vestments do not, in fact, open but are rather pulled on and off over one’s head); he rushed back to the sacristy immediately after Sunday Mass, as opposed to the standard practice of staying to greet parishioners, and he did so unaccompanied by the aides who would normally be with him at all times; and the door to the sacristy was open while the children were being assaulted, but despite the busyness of the cathedral after Mass, there were no witnesses to the assault.

    To be clear: Pell did not open the unopenable vestments; he did not rush back to the sacristy; there were no witnesses because there was nothing to witness. The accuser was asking the jury to believe that the cardinal, one of the canniest operators in the Church – which is why Pope Francis brought him in to clean up the Vatican finances – would take an utterly insane risk in order to satisfy his supposedly depraved lust.

    As I say, the second verdict is baffling. The jury heard no new evidence, merely the testimony and questions from the first trial. Some of this evidence was held behind closed doors.

    Now begins the urgent process of establishing how this travesty of justice took place, and to what extent it was engineered by Pell’s enemies, of which there are plenty.

    There has always been a strong strain of anti-Catholicism in Victoria, which was traditionally tribally divided between the descendants of Protestant Britons and Catholic Irish. In recent years, many Catholics have, understandably, turned against the Australian Church, which has often responded by parroting the politically fashionable views aired by the ABC network.

    Not George Pell, however. As Archbishop of Melbourne and then Sydney he refused to tick most of the required boxes. He was a climate change sceptic and qualified supporter of free markets; he was close to former prime minister Tony Abbott, a pugnacious conservative Catholic and fellow Oxford graduate. Pell, in appearance (and sometimes manner) a towering Aussie bruiser, earned a DPhil for a thesis on authority in the early Church.

    He is more intellectually gifted than any English bishop and his opinions are less predictable than one might imagine from reading the Pell-hating Australian media. For example, he spoke scathingly about the conditions in which Australia detained asylum seekers.

    He is, however, strictly orthodox in his Catholic beliefs and was an influential supporter of Cardinal Ratzinger in the 2005 conclave. He was not in the Bergoglio camp in the 2013 conclave and many were surprised when Pope Francis brought him to Rome to become the Vatican’s first Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy, charged with rooting out corruption.

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    Pell was horrified by the evidence he discovered of Italian cardinals engaging in criminal or semi-criminal activities, and also by the black hole in the Vatican’s finances. The corrupt old guard, meanwhile, were determined to bring him down. So, significantly, were his liberal opponents in the Australian media and the politically correct police force of Victoria.

    This brings us back to the absurd charges of child sex abuse against Pell. Was there collusion between Vatican prelates threatened by his proposed reforms and his enemies back home? We do not yet know, but when I put this question to a Roman cardinal last year he replied that it was entirely possible.

    The investigation must begin now. Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see how the media report the shameful story of what is, in effect, Australia’s Dreyfus case.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Cardinal-George-Pell-is-the-victim-of-a-shameful-miscarriage-of-justice

  39. notafan

    Vlad

    I guess my point is Pope Francis doesn’t do the translations into all the other languages.

    Obviously not the best translation.

  40. notafan

    And he doesn’t personally tweet in English

  41. C.L.

    Great column by Damian Thompson. Thanks for posting, Ivan.

  42. vlad

    And he doesn’t personally tweet in English

    If I had to guess what caused it, I’d say this time he did!

  43. Tintarella di Luna

    I can’t stomach watching the ABC — can anyone, who’s the stomach, tell me whether any report on the ABC said that the High Court judgment was a unanimous judgement of 7-0 — anyone? Thanks

  44. notafan

    Thompson gets an important factor wrong.

    The other boy not only never made an accusation he specifically denied being the victim for sexual assault.

  45. notafan

    Vlad, perhaps.

    But his English is really very bad.

    I don’t think he would use the language in the last sentence.

    I’ve read the Portuguese and Spanish versions.

    The Portuguese one, for example, says because of someone’s hostility.

  46. notafan

    Thompson should also be aware that second jury did not see the complainant cross examined face to face but only a recording from the first trial.

    Which might explain the different outcome.

  47. BorisG

    Has the pope compared Pell to Jesus? Isn’t it too much?

  48. Sinclair Davidson

    We’re all Jesus now.

  49. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3398833, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:22 pm
    I can’t stomach watching the ABC — can anyone, who’s the stomach, tell me whether any report on the ABC said that the High Court judgment was a unanimous judgement of 7-0 — anyone? Thanks

    ABC online:

    “High Court overturned his convictions” “High Court win” “High Court challenge” “High Court’s findings” “High Court had decided today” “High Court quashed”

    No mention “unanimous judgement of 7-0 “

  50. P

    If you were to ask Pope Francis what he really would like for Easter, he’d probably say an end to the coronavirus, world peace, healing for the earth, justice for the poor, and a new burst of faith. None of that, alas, appears to be on next Sunday’s menu, but for the pope and his team, George Pell’s acquittal probably feels like a lesser, but similarly unexpected, Easter miracle.

    One can only imagine, of course, how it must feel to Pell.

    https://cruxnow.com/news-analysis/2020/04/vatican-gets-an-early-easter-present-with-acquittal-in-pell-case/

  51. stackja

    GP “trial” reminds of The Life and “Crimes” of Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty

    In February 1949, body and mind broken, Cardinal Mindszenty underwent what he later called a “show trial.” The truth was never sought. He was accused of more than 40 “crimes,” the most notable of which were foreign-currency abuses (yes. he had sought American intervention for his people and for the Church’s monetary holdings), sabotage of Hungarian land reform (yes, he had tried to help his people keep their land and their churches), and conspiracy with the Hapsburgs (yes, he had spoken against the Communist People’s Party).

  52. Tintarella di Luna

    No mention “unanimous judgement of 7-0 “

    Thought no, neither the Greg Combet floozie, nor the Skull mentioned the 7-0 unanimousness – me think it ‘mazing

  53. Tintarella di Luna

    The ABC just keep the calumnies coming against Cardinal George Pell — shameless, utterly shameless

  54. notafan

    No Boris he didn’t.

    He said to pray for all those who have been persecuted because of idiom, hostility, fury, hatred, or personal vendetta, take your pick for the translation.

    Nevertheless Cardinal Pell’s response was Christ like.

    Christ is the model we seek to be like, after all.

  55. nb

    ‘unanimous judgement of 7-0’
    Unanimous, and all for the same set of reasons. Unanimity across the board. It doesn’t get better than that!

  56. Ivan Denisovich

    Thanks for posting, Ivan.

    Thanks for all your terrific pieces on the Get Pell campaign over many months.

  57. will

    stackja
    #3398859, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:35 pm
    No mention “unanimous judgement of 7-0 “

    They have drowned in their flood of ‘opinion” and “analysis” articles showing their incredulous stupidity

    Pell v The Queen — [2020] HCA 12
    Today, the High Court granted special
    leave to appeal against a decision of the Court of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Victoria and unanimously allowed the appeal.

  58. jupes

    From the Damian Thompson article:

    That the second jury convicted Pell unanimously is hard to explain.

    Not really. A group of Pell haters colluded to lie and deprive an innocent man of his liberty.

  59. Robber Baron

    Pope Fonzie.”Eeeeeeee” 👍👍

  60. Rob MW

    This must the closest a Pope would ever come to telling people to “Fuck off” in public.

    Now Sinc, I never thought I’d see the day………wash your mouth out with soap & water 🙂 rofl
    +1,000

  61. To his credit, Francis supported Pell from day one.

    The Vatican’s hum-int is regarded highly even by intelligence services.

    He was well informed

    Well duh, he reads the Cat!

  62. Bruce in WA

    I just imagine Cardinal GP waking up in the middle of the night and going, “I’d love to go to a toilet and have a wee”, then thinking, “Where’s the bucket?”

    And THEN thinking, “Oh, shit, open the door and stand aside, here I come!”

  63. Gab

    C.L.

    Yes, today’s reading from the O.T. is amazingly apt:

    Yeah? What til you see yesterday’s Introit:

    Judge thou, O Lord, them that wrong me:
    overthrow them that fight against me.
    Take hold of arms and shield: and rise up
    to help me. O Lord, my salvation.
    Bring out the sword, and shut up the way
    against them that persecute me: say to my
    soul: I am thy salvation. Glory be to the
    Father.

  64. C.L.

    overthrow them that fight against me.

    There’s still a lot of that overthrowing to do, Gab.

  65. Zatara

    Comensoli really pisses me off.

    Agreed. IMO it reads as if he’s hinting that Pell was a guilty bastard who used the system to get away with it but should now be treated like a parolee.

    I also acknowledge Cardinal Pell who has steadfastly maintained his innocence throughout.

    Really? As compared to you acknowledging his innocence?

    Rightly, he has been afforded the full possibilities of the judicial system.

    Bastard that he was, he still got a trial. In which he beat the rap.

    This decision means the Cardinal has been wrongly convicted and imprisoned, and he is now free to live his life peaceably within the community.

    The FACT that he is innocent means he was wrongly convicted and imprisoned. The decision is merely an acknowledgement of that.

    The sole matter for examination in this case was whether Cardinal Pell committed certain despicable crimes, of which he has now been acquitted, and not about the broader question of how Church authorities have dealt with sexual abuse.

    No, the sole matter for examination in this case was just how far the state, the media, and certain other elements, would go to set up an innocent man for political purposes.

    Given what he wrote and how he wrote it I’m going to take a guess that Comensoli wasn’t sipping champagne celebrating the findings of the HC. For whatever reason.

  66. C.L.

    Comensoli and the others seem to think they’ve got to play what JC called “halvesies” over this story. This is NOT the time to talk about sex abuse victims. All that does is lock in a false association (with Pell) which the High Court today nuked.

    I’m sick and tired of these pansies, I really am.

  67. John A

    BorisG #3398854, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    Has the pope compared Pell to Jesus? Isn’t it too much?

    Sinclair Davidson #3398856, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    We’re all Jesus now.

    Careful, now!

    Luke 6:40: A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.
    Matt 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master.

  68. WDYSIA

    A sister, probably a Carmelite sister, faithfully ministered to Pell in jail throughout his sojourn there. Perhaps it was the woman who drove him to the monastery. In any case, it also has big walls and is in an upper class suburb which probably would not suffer intrusive media floating around. Prying on a convent would also be dimly viewed by the public. Good choice.

  69. Lazlo

    +1000 CL

    Now, we need to know who decided that VicPol should fund the Pell prosecution because the Vic DPP wouldn’t (as revealed on Bolt this evening). That must have been a Ministerial decision.

  70. Leigh Lowe

    As I say, the second verdict is baffling. The jury heard no new evidence, merely the testimony and questions from the first trial. Some of this evidence was held behind closed doors.

    That begs a few questions in and of itself.
    We normally have a person in the witness box being eyeballed by two advocates asking questions in turn.
    The (cough) “victim” gave evidence from a remote location by video complete with comfort dog and support staff because … delicate.
    Who else was there?
    What “comms breakdowns” occurred?
    What emotional breaks happened just as awkward questions popped up?
    Was the tape of evidence presented to the second trial edited to remove breaks?

  71. WDYSIA

    In my experience, Melbourne has always been the city of pansies be they Catholic or Anglican or any other flavour. Pell was an exception.

  72. Lazlo

    CL Couldn’t agree more. Even Paul Murray this evening has to preface everything with his concern about sexual abuse claimants/victims. I have been far more concerned and offended by the assault on the rule of law, and liberty.

  73. Bar Beach Swimmer

    C.L.
    Can you repost that article – not sure who wrote it – but it examined and dissected the complainant’s evidence from his own words – in part I think it derived from Milligan’s book. Thank you.

  74. Bar Beach Swimmer

    CL Couldn’t agree more. Even Paul Murray this evening has to preface everything with his concern about sexual abuse claimants/victims. I have been far more concerned and offended by the assault on the rule of law, and liberty

    +100000

  75. C.L.

    Something I wrote, Swimmer?

  76. Bar Beach Swimmer

    No, something I think you posted. It dissected all the information about him – one statement I distinctly remember was about his persona was a facade, or words to that effect. And additionally how he went to see the mother of the other one and during the conversation said ‘No, ask me’.

  77. WDYSIA

    My guess – and this is from gleaning a few statements and reading a little between the lines – is that Richter’s attempt to argue the impossibility of something happening probably confused the jury. I also believe that under the change in law implemented by Andrews, the judge cannot give any directions to the jury about disregarding uncorroborated evidence and so on, but I will defer to a lawyer to clarify.
    In the first trial, the jury couldn’t decide and in the second, they figured that if it were possible, then it must be true. This was the very error that was slapped down eventually.

    In sum, the prosecution’s lawyer in the first and second trial ran a very clever strategy which even Weinberg noted. It did not help that Richter had a very long flamboyant closing argument that sidetracked into all sorts of things. The prosecution on the other hand, kept it very simple and walked them through the case again.

    Ok it happened. The real error came with the court of appeal when Ferguson and Maxwell fell for that trick and ignored the law despite Walker spelling it out for them. I am sure, given Weinberg’s extensive dissenting opinion, that he would have explained it to them as well. This is also why the High Court found so easily for Pell.

    Ferguson and Maxwell, fair enough, did not have much criminal law background but this surely would not have been the first criminal matter that had come up in the court of appeal. If they weren’t competent they should have recused themselves. But since they didn’t, they should now just resign.

  78. Bar Beach Swimmer

    No, something you posted by another author who went through all the statements that the complainant had made. I think most came from Milligan’s book. Two I distinctly remember. The first was about how he projects a persona. The second regarded visiting the other one’s mother and he says No, ask me’.

  79. currencylad

    I think this is what you mean, Swimmer.

  80. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Sorry, not that one.

  81. BorisG

    A group of Pell haters colluded to lie and deprive an innocent man of his liberty.

    You mean the jurors? Aren’t they selected at random?

  82. WDYSIA

    Twitterati have picked up on the Pope’s tweet and linked it to the Pell appeal. As the Pope has several accounts in different languages it’s been picked up by international types as well. I don’t know if it’s enough to go viral yet. For once, this may be very clever PR by the Vatican.

  83. currencylad

    Sorry, not that one.

    Can’t recall, then. So many links and articles over the past year. Sorry about that.

  84. Boris the DPP used a heavily doctored and out of context phone tap to press their case.

    Then there was the complainant changing his story at least three times before a committal.

    Then there was the committal where he contradicted his complaint.

    Then the trial judge refused to let the jury know the complainant was delusional.

    Then we have appellate judges being blind to these facts.

    The Pell prosecution, conviction and incarceration is a black mark in history on Australia.

  85. Sinclair Davidson

    The High Court was very critical of the jurors. A bit unfair. They should have the opportunity to explain themselves to a jury.

  86. WDYSIA

    The High Court judgement stated that a rational jury would have found reasonable doubt. What is the point of explaining yourself to an irrational jury?
    I apologise if I seem flippant, but this has been such a travesty that I don’t think anyone deserves any sympathy except Pell. Not even the second jury who, by some reports, even confounded the court with their irrational decision. One juror apparently fell asleep during Richter’s summation.

  87. David Brewer

    Here is another press misrepresentation. For months now and still today Nine newspapers have been presenting a Timeline that says:

    2015 A man in his 30s contacts police to report he was sexually abused by Pell in the 1990s as a choirboy, at St Patrick’s Cathedral. He also reports that his friend, who died in accidental circumstances as an adult, was also sexually assaulted by Pell.

    Note the “accidental circumstances”. In fact from CL’s link above to an extract from Milligan’s book we learn that:

    The Choirboy [i.e., the friend of the man in his 30s] died in 2014. He was 30.

    Mary told almost everyone she knew that he died in a car crash. But it wasn’t a car accident. It was a heroin overdose.

    BTW I noticed last year that Milligan’s book, for all its faults, had also demolished in advance Ferguson and Maxwell’s view that the accuser’s knowledge of the priest’s sacristy corroborated his charges. Sure enough, the High Court just “bitchslapped” them on this point, as follows:

    Despite the fact that the prosecution case was left to the jury as being wholly dependent upon A’s evidence, the Court of Appeal majority questioned that A’s evidence was uncorroborated. Their Honours suggested that, to an extent, A’s evidence was supported by reference to knowledge which he could not have come by unless he was telling the truth. The reference was to A’s knowledge of the interior layout of the priests’ sacristy, which their Honours found considerably enhanced the credibility of his account. “More striking still”, their Honours said, was the fact that A identified the priests’ sacristy as the setting of the assaults given that, at all other times, the applicant would have used the archbishop’s sacristy. Their Honours said that the jury was entitled to discount the possibility that a tour of the Cathedral, which A may have taken at the time he joined the choir, would explain his detailed knowledge and recollection of the interior of the priests’ sacristy 20 years later. So much may be accepted. It does not, however, provide support in the sense of corroboration of A’s account[27]. Satisfaction that A had been inside the priests’ sacristy did not afford any independent basis for finding that, on such an occasion, he had been sexually assaulted by the applicant.

  88. Beachcomber

    WDYSIA

    My guess – and this is from gleaning a few statements and reading a little between the lines – is that Richter’s attempt to argue the impossibility of something happening probably confused the jury.

    One juror apparently fell asleep during Richter’s summation.

    I’m not convinced that lefty luvee and primo uomo Richter’s performance during the trial was not a subliminal sabotage of Cardinal Pell’s case. That includes Richter’s abysmal submission in the sentencing hearing. He certainly bears some of the blame for the miscarriage of justice.

  89. Nob

    Lefty responses on social media seem to fall into two categories:

    Pell is c-abusing scum (“worse than Weinstein” said one, without a shred of evidence) who got off on a technicality. In this camp I include the weirdos who insist that acquittal isn’t the same as being found innocent of the charges.

    Pell is c-abusing scum but we can’t just imprison people without reasonable doubt.

    Now, these aren’t normally political people, but they do ingest Australian media.

    It’s hard to appreciate from overseas just how bigoted and biased Australian media has been against Pell.
    That includes entertainers, comedians etc.
    And all the self-estimated “independent thinkers” who march in lockstep.

    Whenever I was back in Australia it felt like Orwell’s Two Minutes Hate, with Pell as Emmanuel Goldstein:

    The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp

  90. Nob

    My impression of Richter is , as I stated here at the time, that he was too used to defending the guilty and didn’t know how to deal with an innocent man.

  91. Dr. Bruce Atkinson

    Only God knows exactly who is guilty of what. In the interests of protecting the innocent and pursuing justice, the state and the media have often gotten it wrong.

    I worked as a social worker for the state for a number of years and then returned to university (and seminary) and became a clinical psychologist (and Christian counselor), which I have been for 30 years. What I have observed in the system is this: Because child sexual abuse is such a heinous crime with life-long negative effects, when an adult is accused, governments have chosen to assume they are guilty – until proven innocent, reversing the normal trend of justice and the rights of the accused. This has led to lots of false accusations against persons that the supposed victim does not like, and especially I saw this applied to step-fathers of rebellious teenage girls. I have seen marriages and reputations and careers destroyed due to false accusations. This is not to say that we should not be aggressive against child molestation and sexual abuse even against adults. But we need more than just one person’s word against another’s before we judge anyone guilty of such terrible deeds.

  92. Rafe Champion

    The first jury got it right. How come it didn’t die there?

    As for the Pope, to use language borrowed from one of our trolls, I never thought the silly old climate alarmist loony leftist bugger had it in him!

  93. Rafe Champion

    And at 6.15 wind was blowing up 8.5% of the power for your early hot breakfast and coffee.

  94. Tintarella di Luna

    The first jury got it right. How come it didn’t die there?

    As for the Pope, to use language borrowed from one of our trolls, I never thought the silly old climate alarmist loony leftist bugger had it in him!

    Me neither, I have softened my attitude somewhat but still think he’s a media tart and socialism apologist, but any improvement is welcome.

  95. Tintarella di Luna

    Whenever I was back in Australia it felt like Orwell’s Two Minutes Hate, with Pell as Emmanuel Goldstein:

    Hi Nob, I think Cassie had an excellent response to those who think Cardinal Pell got off on a technicality- that technicality being reasonable doubt and/or the presumption of innocence — she proposed to the effect that at the end of her conversation with some fellow suffering PD (Pell Derangement) she would attend the local police station and make a complaint of rope against him — his shock and the subsequent explanation was quite entertaining — I may have the details skewiff and think Cassie could explain it better

  96. jupes

    The High Court was very critical of the jurors. A bit unfair. They should have the opportunity to explain themselves to a jury.

    Ha ha. I had to read that twice before I got it.

  97. notafan

    I don’t agree, Richter was entirely supportive of Cardinal Pell.

    It was a loaded deck.

  98. notafan

    Swimmer

    A UK academic has published multiple articles on the Cardinal Pell travesty, I know he exposed Waller using a pseudonym on Twitter, perhaps the article you looking for is one of his

    Chris Friel articles

  99. notafan

    Actually Chris Friel had done superb work on the case.

    Well worth reading it all .

  100. Tintarella di Luna

    It was a loaded deck.

    Locked and loaded by the media which played such a critical role in the Lindy Chamberlain case – Lindy Chamberlain was in shock at having her baby taken by a dingo and then in shock at being accused of her baby’s murder — too many decades after the fact, that galling attention-seeking vicious, irrelevant termagant, Wendy Harmer (one of many in the persecutory media who hounded Lindy Chamberlain) made a grovelling apology to Lindy Chamberlain for the malice.

    There must be a reckoning for the ABC, even last night they could not tell the truth about the resounding unanimous repudiation of their campaign to hang an innocent man — because that’s what they did metaphorically and in reality they hung George Pell on a gibbet – and yet George Pell’s faith and strength sustained him and fed his soul.

    The ABC must be in quandary – for all their progressiveness they’re stuck in 1170 – this cabal must be thinking what will it take to get rid of this meddlesome priest. In these times would it be a step too far to wish a pox upon them? Maybe yes particularly in Lent – it would be most un-Christian of me.

  101. Waller is an absolute disgrace.

    There is no justice until she has her practicing certificate torn up and is banned from giving legal advice.

    If your compensation lawyer acted for you when the evidence was the defendant could not have possibly carried out the actions by virtue of being physically absent from the country…

    Well let’s think about that one. What would happen if you pressed such a case and we’re self represented?

    Remember what a colourful Aussie thug said to many. You’re not a bloody koala!

    So why are lawyers an endangered species?

  102. Narwhal Tusk

    Tinta, your descriptors are always the best.
    Thank you.
    “irrelevant termagant”
    Love it.

  103. Geriatric Mayfly

    Waller is an absolute disgrace.

    Always suspicious of wimmin whose sexual inclinations compel them to a career of sniffing around the sexual proclivities of others.

  104. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Thanks, Nota. But, no.

    The article I’m thinking of was a examination and interrogation of everything the accuser had said about himself, his dealings with the mother of the deceased and what the deceased’s mother reported about those dealings as well as what her son had said to her.

    I distinctly remember that the accuser said that he himself did not show/allow his true self to be shown to others and that he was able to and capable of taking on a different persona.

    Doesn’t matter, now. Thank you for posting the link to those other articles, I’ll take a look.

  105. pbw

    Ah, Sinc,
    You’ve done it again.
    The High Court was very critical of the jurors. A bit unfair. They should have the opportunity to explain themselves to a jury.

  106. pbw

    Pope Francis’ quote was essentially excerpted from his comments at the beginning of Mass on Tuesday at Casa Santa Marta.

    I would like to pray today for all those persons who suffer an unjust sentence because of persecution.

    Another translation I’ve seen has “…because of intransigence.” Whoever translated the tweet was looking for a more idiomatic expression, and missed the mark.

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