Tuesday Forum: April 7, 2020

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  1. Tel

    However government paper is not really sold retail, but is mostly purchased by institutions in big licks, which is how they are sold. If you have a super fund I am sure it would include some.

    That’s right, no normal person buys them, no one would ever want them, and yet they always sell which must surely defy every law of economics in the universe. Maybe in the 70’s something good was on offer but that’s a long time ago.

    Super funds are a relatively new way to separate working people from their wages, and they are kind of halfway like a bank (they offer a savings vehicle) and in order to be useful to government they also must buy the overpriced bonds. It’s a tax in disguise.

  2. Tel

    How are they “overpriced”? They are priced by the market, which includes non-bank and international players.

    Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, if the interest rate on bonds is a “market rate” then what is the central bank doing setting rates?

    Why can the Reserve Bank Governor decide to take a quarter percent off rates and then down go the bond rates immediately? Because that kind of price setting is normal in any market … says no one ever.

  3. Peter the old fossil

    Good morning world and fellow Catallaxians.
    Welcome to another wonderful day in a wonderful life.
    No matter how glum and gloomy the present may look, remember to kiss your wife good morning, tell her you love her, and hug your children hello. There is always much to be thankful for.

  4. rickw

    I lived above a taxi garage in Bangkok for a couple of weeks in the 90’s.
    Very interesting to see how almost every house in that neighbourhood was a little manufacturing shop.
    I wonder if this model might be jiggery pokered with modern information technology into something efficient.

    Laws in Australia are specifically designed to discourage this arrangement. You can’t do serious manufacturing in your garage. You can’t live in your factory.

  5. Peter the old fossil

    Then maybe it’s about time we changed the laws, Rick.

  6. rickw

    Then maybe it’s about time we changed the laws, Rick.

    Completely agree! I’m about to build a workshop on my rural property. If I put in a building permit how long will I need to wait? If get onto it I could have to footings done by the end of next week.

    Fuck them, building without a permit!

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nice irony from Johannes Leak!
    We’re all George Pell now.

  8. feelthebern

    I lived above a taxi garage in Bangkok for a couple of weeks in the 90’s.
    Very interesting to see how almost every house in that neighbourhood was a little manufacturing shop.

    Arky, Thais turning penis into vagina isn’t manufacturing.

  9. feelthebern

    How many sock puppets does Bird run now ?

  10. Herodotus

    While some might say the HC decision restores their faith in the justice system, I say the whole process, vindicated by the HC decision, completely destroys faith in the Victorian systems of politics, To witness judicial bench stacking, politicisation of the police force, and in fact anything else to do with Labor administration at state or federal level. Instances of maladministration have been plentiful in any state with a Labor government in the past 50 years.
    Previous cases – the christian ministers charged after quoting the koran to their congregation in a set up complaint by a stooge attending for that purpose. Should never have got to court or been subject of a charge.
    Andrew Bolt case, again with a group complaining for political reasons, a case overseen by a Labor sympathiser. A complete miscarriage of justice.
    But the Pell case is the worst by far, involving the admin of Victoria at every level, before during and after the facts of the trials and appeals.

  11. Peter the old fossil

    Fuck them, building without a permit!

    That’s the spirit, Rick! Anything I can do to lend a hand? Where are you?

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    While on such things Spooner has a fine cartoon today as well.

  13. feelthebern

    Careful, Herodotus, lest someone rats you out & you have to appear in front of said judiciary & apologise.

  14. jupes

    How many sock puppets does Bird run now ?

    One per night it would seem.

  15. feelthebern

    Seriously, Victoria hasn’t been investment grade for years now.
    I’d rather live in Walgett than Melbourne.

  16. Peter the old fossil

    I say the whole process, vindicated by the HC decision, completely destroys faith in the Victorian systems of politics,

    Good morning Herodotus.
    Then maybe we need to change our system of politics as well.
    Or at least get it back to what it once was, back when we were governed by the Rule of Law.

  17. feelthebern

    Days without a civil action against Pell: 1.

  18. rickw

    Seriously great work, 3801 back in great running order:

  19. rickw

    Fuck them, building without a permit!

    That’s the spirit, Rick! Anything I can do to lend a hand? Where are you?

    I’m in Vic, thinking about doing some Arky style video’s on the process. Well geared up for the work, for foundation prep going to use my Dad’s retirement present to himself, his JD760A.

  20. Sydney Boy

    Days without a civil action against Pell: 1.

    Can we also have a running total of the damages Pell’s lawyers are suing people for defamation? Poll should be able to retire a very rich man if social media is any indication.

  21. Peter the old fossil

    That’s the way, Rick. Permits are just a way of inviting the council to make your life miserable.
    How thoughtful of your Dad to pick up a JD760A. Always handy to have around the house.
    Good for shifting council building inspector’s cars, amongst other things.

  22. Knuckle Dragger

    Knight. Yes.

    If you let yourselves be seen by the public as stupid go-around-in-circles goons doing the work of horrified doctors with no experience in either epidemiology or law enforcement you have a long way to go before you regain the trust of that public.

    But these cocks have gone one better. They’ve embraced that concept. And to throw a bit of coconut on that poorly-decorated lamington, they’re doing it selectively. RoPer weddings? 40+ people? No worries, and don’t ask us about because we don’t provide a running commentary, thank you very much.

    $1600 blisters for learner drivers too far away from home? For sure, and we’ll also wheel out a Deputy Commissioner to back that shit up, thus appeasing their political overlords.

    Community feedback? Gone a bit too far, have we? Oh. Ah, well, that’s sort of okay then BUT don’t stray too far or Senior Constable Subjective will be back with her ticket book.

    A bit like haircuts, really. It’s a no, until it’s a yes because potential voters don’t like it.

  23. Mater

    Echoing the Cat?

    Egg,
    Great video which was well worth the half hour.
    Thanks.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.
    Once they realised how much of a faceplant it was.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    And as always, it’s the upper management.

    Not so very long ago in VicPol, the fat chick (now sick) cop who wrote that ticket out would have been banned from going anywhere near a police vehicle for the next year, on the grounds that it didn’t have the common sense of a goat and therefore shouldn’t be near the public – let alone have any sort of range to do so.

    Who then would have resigned, having been ‘convinced’ by her colleagues and bosses that she wasn’t really cut out for that sort of work.

    Now she’ll be neck deep in ‘wellness’ officers and hand-patters, and have The Man on the telly actually backing up her decision. Idiocy writ very, very large.

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    Seven States Mercius.

    SSM.

    Geddit?

  27. calli

    Now we have a “Special Edition” of Sunrise on the Pell case.

    Much being made of the Cardinal wanting to leave Victoria. And at least they are calling him “Cardinal” this morning. Someone must have had a word in their shell-like.

  28. Peter the old fossil

    To be honest, Rick, I’ve never seen such a small scraper.
    Mind you, I speak as someone who once owned a D2, “just because”.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    BoN:

    ‘To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.
    Once they realised how much of a faceplant it was.’

    This is my point Bruce. They can’t even stick to one course of action, however idiotic it might be. If they retrospectively identified all the guests at the RoPer wedding none of them wanted to disturb and then gave all of them $1600 worth of pain, at least that’d be something.

    They, much like the quacks and the elected pollies just keep proving themselves to be weathervanes who are happy to pick on the weak targets while leaving the stronger ones alone.

    Which, when you think about it is the exact opposite of what the cops should be.

  30. Sydney Boy

    Oh, that little D2 is cute. The US Engineer Brigade I worked for in Iraq had these uparmoured D9s. Super heavy – had a few issues with getting them around from place to place.

  31. Crossie

    Laws in Australia are specifically designed to discourage this arrangement. You can’t do serious manufacturing in your garage. You can’t live in your factory.

    But we are all now expected to work from our spare bedroom or the dining room table.

  32. Mater

    To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.
    Once they realised how much of a faceplant it was.

    They have Bruce, based on the excuse that people may have been some confusion about the rules. However, they’ve doubled down by reiterating that they do it again and there’ll be no excuses, now that everyone’s aware.

    Here’s the problem. If bike shops are allowed to be open, you shouldn’t be fined for going to it to have your bike fixed. If Bunnings is open, ditto. The list goes on. People are confused, and they may as well close all these ‘non-essential’ businesses if they are going to arbitrarily crucify people who are trying to utilise them.

    This is clear cut bullshit.

  33. Mater

    To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.

    I also think that it had something to do with the fact that she is pretty easy on the eye, and would have made a worthy foe on the battlefield of public opinion. She is a social media gift.

  34. feelthebern

    In relation to what?
    There’s a long list.

  35. 132andBush

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3399395, posted on April 8, 2020 at 7:05 am

    And as always, it’s the upper management.

    Don’t be too sure about that.

    “Not our job to give warnings”

    also, “In this time if I’m going to pull someone over they’re going to get a ticket”

    I’ve done some checking (indirectly) with a HP revenue raiser.

  36. Peter the old fossil

    Here’s the problem. If bike shops are allowed to be open, you shouldn’t be fined for going to it to have your bike fixed. If Bunnings is open, ditto.

    Good morning Mater.

    You’re making the same mistake Knuckles does. The charges are not laid by officers who don’t know what they are doing, then withdrawn when common sense takes over. In this case the officer making the charge was doing exactly what she was told to do, and it was only withdrawn when the girl’s father made it clear he would challenge it in court.

    It was withdrawn because it would never have succeeded in court. But in most instances people don’t threaten to challenge, they meekly pay the fine. It’s called compliance through intimidation and it is a well-known and utilised tactic. As I have been saying for weeks now, soon the intimidation will be stopped, the pubs will reopen, and interstate travel will recommence.

    But by then the concept of compliance will be firmly established in Joe Public’s mind.
    That’s the whole point.

  37. 1735099

    They can’t stick to one course of action, no matter how idiotic it might be.

    That “one course of action” is working.
    It’s saving lives.
    I know who the “idiots” are.
    They’re concentrated on this blog.
    Fortunately, they’re a small minority competing for Darwin awards.
    They don’t give a stuff for anyone except themselves.

  38. Twostix

    That “one course of action” is working.
    It’s saving lives.
    I know who the “idiots” are.
    They’re concentrated on this blog.
    Fortunately, they’re a small minority competing for Darwin awards.
    They don’t give a stuff for anyone except themselves.

    Ok boomer.

  39. Peter the old fossil

    Right on cue Numbers pops in to demonstrate how effective compliance through intimidation can be.

  40. Eyrie

    “Japan does the same to this day, where e.g. rural housewives can work from home manufacturing electronic components.”
    Yup, who is going to know?
    No sign out front, no employees, doesn’t make noise or smells.

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘battlefield of public opinion’

    Agreed Mater, but it should never be about whether the receiver of said ticket is an 8 or a solid five-schooner 4. Or, for that matter, whether Mumsy has the cash to pursue it to the bitter end.

    They’re not there to be liked. But they ARE there to keep the shitxunts away from normal people, not to be the end users of brainfarts from ill-experienced and scared, squealy people.

    P3ll and everything in it was a kneejerk request to the jacks from gummint to ‘do something’ in response to the RC into child abuse. The bloke with the idea of advertising for victims, Paul Sheridan needed some glory time because his efforts during Op Lorimer (the soon-to-be-failed investigation into the moidas of two cops in 1998) were suboptimal and in time would [and will] result in an undeserved acquittal.

    X was the sole idea of a handful of suddenly non-note taking management types who sorta hoped it wouldn’t blow up in their faces later. The rank and file detective types working Purana knew goddamn well who 3838 was, because there were only a handful of people who could have provided the intel appearing in their briefings, but they kicked along because it was apparently okay by the top floor.

    Both have now been savaged by the highest court in the land. it is now no surprise that a generation of coppers, having been educated by Instagram and watching the behaviour of these maggots over time think they can do whatever the fuck they want. Common dog fuck has long gone out the window, holding out in what would now be described as portions of upper middle management with frozen ceilings.

    The cops run on trust from the public that they will actually be cops when required by the average punter. The Vicco ones have demonstrated that this is the last thing on their minds, and that their priorities vary according to the latest polls.

    Mick Miller would be spinning. So would Kel Glare, except he’s not gonski yet. I think. Fuckwits.

  42. Entropy

    You know, I am sooo glad I don’t live in that toilet known as Victoria.
    At least here in Queensland, Palaszczuk is not a left wing drone like Daniel Andrews. And Qld’s closest version, Jackie Trad, will be gone next election even if the ALP is returned. Granted a green will be in parliament instead, but whatever it is won’t be in government.

  43. notafan

    KD

    Boasting about how many people were getting fined for ‘driving in the wrong place’ was the icing.

    People should be writing to the Victorian police minister and Dropkick letting them know that they and their ‘motor vehicle social distancing’ is a disgrace.

  44. A note on “coronavirus deaths”.

    Italy has a annual death toll of around 640,000 per year.

    11,000 to 15,000 deaths over 95+ days is nothing.

    Are the dead having full autopsies and microbiological testing?

    Or is the data collected like “smoking deaths”?

    Also keep in mind Italy has a very top heavy population structure. 25% of their population is over 55 IIRC.

    I understand the concern over a new pathogen but show me a politician who hasn’t grabbed more power with both hands.

    There are also very few who gave ever voluntarily given up any power.

    Our rules regarding the virus range from the counterproductive to the absurd.

    At least we don’t have spying on drones…YET.

  45. Peter the old fossil

    Ok boomer.

    Why are there always bloody children getting underfoot?

    Good morning, twostix. Just joshin.
    I’m a boomer, in case you hadn’t guessed.

  46. feelthebern

    Until we see absolute, open data on every case in Australia, do not believe what the government, the public service, the media or other relaxed tax hoovers tell you.

  47. Tel

    They, much like the quacks and the elected pollies just keep proving themselves to be weathervanes who are happy to pick on the weak targets while leaving the stronger ones alone.

    More evidence that we are not in this together, the power hungry are squeezing everything they can out of this and it long ago stopped having any relationship with public health.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    Bush:

    ‘“Not our job to give warnings”
    also, “In this time if I’m going to pull someone over they’re going to get a ticket”
    I’ve done some checking (indirectly) with a HP revenue raiser.’

    Exactly. As Peter mentions upthread, the tickets written and largely predicated on Joe Citizen receiving them taking the path of least resistance and paying it.

    But if it’s contested, the circumstances at least have to be looked at by a prosecutor, who then has to a) decided whether it’s in the public interest to prosecute, and b) whether they can achieve the requisite burden of proof.

    Traffic cops are different again, and should be beaten in the street. Pretend virtuous ‘life-savers because I’ve seen an accident’ who exist to get their quotas, which very much exist. Having said that, at least they’re consistent in their hypocrisy.

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    *are largely*

  50. feelthebern

    I’m still shocked that the reason we have to keep the country on lock down is because there are two sisters who live in an apartment in QLD who will die if we open the country.

  51. feelthebern

    Also, with reference to the nurse who was allegedly coughed on by the two boys in Sydney.
    How come there was no footage of this?
    No footage = it didn’t happen.

  52. Peter the old fossil

    Time to love you and leave you, fellow mutineers.
    Off to have a lumbar puncture without anesthetic.
    Just the thought of it brings a tear of expectation to my eyes.
    But then, I’ve had it done before.

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    Jesus, my grammar’s shit this morning.

    Apologies, people.

    What would Seven States Mercius say?

  54. Mater

    That “one course of action” is working.
    It’s saving lives.

    Listen Bob.
    I heard yesterday, from an Immunologist who is currently working the front lines in a major Melbourne hospital, that they DO NOT believe there will ever be an effective vaccine for COVID-19.

    What is the fall back position when, after 18 months of trying and having destroyed the country, they confirm this unfortunate happenstance to be a reality?

    The Bin Chicken from NSW can say that lockdown will remain until a vaccine, but she seems not to have any contingencies. What is happening is just like closing Coal Generators down in the hope that storage technology catches up. It’s like banning the use of airplanes and awaiting the commercial development of teleportation.

    A stupid dangerous gamble without any stop loss markers.

    I know you want to hasten our destruction so you, and your ilk, can rebuilt in your desired image. Just try not to be so transparent in your gloating, it’s unbecoming.

  55. Mother Lode

    Seven State Mencius?

    Ah, Mencius (otherwise known as Meng Ke). A very significant Confucian thinker.

    Are these ‘seven states’ analogous to his seven books?

  56. Eyrie

    Rex Mango, the F86 vs Mig 15 movie is “The Hunters”. Robert Mitchum and Robert Wagner.
    Do yourself a favour and read the book of the same title by James Salter. Highly recommended. The movie has the same name and is set in the same place and time but very little resemblance to the book.

    The book really needs to be made into a movie nowadays but the script needs to stick closely to the book. Will have good flying and combat scenes but a lot more character stuff too. There are enough F-86 and Mig 15’s flying in the US that lots of CGI would not be necessary.

    James Salter actually flew F86’s in Korea during the war. Bit like Stephen Coonts “Flight of the Intruder” who flew A-6’s in Vietnam.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    Score check.
    Seven – Nil.

  58. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The Bin Chicken from NSW’

    Hahaha. I love those fucking things. Great song about them on the Tube somewhere.

  59. Snoopy

    feelthebern
    #3399445, posted on April 8, 2020 at 7:53 am
    Also, with reference to the nurse who was allegedly coughed on by the two boys in Sydney.
    How come there was no footage of this?
    No footage = it didn’t happen.

    Yes. Supposedly an otherwise empty carriage. But where’s the railway’s security footage?

  60. Snoopy

    I didn’t quite catch that Leigh. Say again.

  61. rickw

    To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.
    Once they realised how much of a faceplant it was.

    Public pressure, not their in-built commonsense or decency which would have seen the driver never fined in the first place.

  62. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s Groundhog Bob Day – again, where all the idiocy he came out with the day before is wiped, and a clean slate exists with every dawn.

    Today’s forgotten tidbit is where he referred to a fellow commenter as doing time for the sort of thing a Cardinal was recently accused of, and only being allowed visitors over 16.

    Whilst on the subject of reminders.

  63. Eyrie

    Rex Mango, the F86 vs Mig15 movie was “The Hunters” Robert Mitchum and Robert Wagner. Made in 1958.

    The book it was very loosely based on is of the same name by James Salter who flew F86’s in the Korean war. Excellent book. Story line much more character oriented but still some great flying scenes. Really needs to be remade nowadays but stick to the book. Much better story to be told. Enough F86 and Mig 15 flying in the US so don’t need heaps of CGI.

  64. calli

    We get data daily from our Health Experts

    ….

    We will be assessing that on a month-by-month basis.

    Gladys

    What the hell?

  65. Nick

    VicPol must be the most inept and corrupt force in the country. Seriously, from their inaction over the Bourke St mass murderer to their fellating of gangs, overuse of fines on a daily basis, Pell, Gobbo, it goes on and on.

    Strange that the media are asking ‘how could the Victorian Appeal judges not see what the High Court saw?’, but are digging no deeper than simply asking that question.

  66. calli

    VicPol make the NSW Rum Corps look like a model for policing-by-consent.

  67. rickw

    To be honest, Rick, I’ve never seen such a small scraper.
    Mind you, I speak as someone who once owned a D2, “just because”.

    Cute!! JD actually had one smaller, the 5010, my Grandfather had one, big machine at the time, especially as the alternate was something like a TD40 with a Britstand cable scraper.

  68. johanna

    Another example of ‘one rule for me and another for Thee’ – NZ Health Minister takes the family out for a picnic in violation of his own rules:

    ???

    I promise you the story was there earlier this morning, at TheirABC, but it seems to have vanished. Funny, that.

    Anyway, St Jacinta has decided that he should not lose his job – he was just being a silly billy. No word on whether he was prosecuted, but I know where my money would be on that question.

    The ability to stealth edit digital news is a great disadvantage for readers. With print media, once it was out there, it was out there – a great incentive to get things right or risk being sued or simply laughed at.

  69. rickw

    Another example of ‘one rule for me and another for Thee’ – NZ Health Minister takes the family out for a picnic in violation of his own rules:

    He got caught mountain biking the week before. Pure communist scum.

  70. calli

    Here’s the story, Joh. Interesting the ABC removed it.

    What a dunce. He doesn’t look the sharpest tool in the shed either.

  71. rickw

    It’s Groundhog Bob Day – again, where all the idiocy he came out with the day before is wiped, and a clean slate exists with every dawn.

    I had money on him having been smote based on what he posted yesterday.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy

    #3399456, posted on April 8, 2020 at 8:00 am

    I didn’t quite catch that Leigh. Say again.

    I said … Seven – Nil.
    The High Court scoreboard says SEVEN – NIL.

  73. 1735099

    New Yorkers are dying of the Corona virus at the rate of one every three minutes.
    Incredible…..

  74. Northshore Redneck

    WTF is the point of ABC News 24 channel? Q&A with the premier commences and they cut away to commentary… exactly like the commercial networks.

    Though the visuals much less pleasing

  75. Perfidious Albino

    Agree KD. The other counterpoint in relation to being actual cops when needed by joe public are episodes like the Gargosoulos/Bourke St clusterf*ck…

  76. win

    Farmers cant cut down a tree in this country. Not only cutting but scrapping dead wood into piles.In Palachooks Qld she uses drones to fine farmers $100.000.00 for scrapping dead wood from pastures for grass regrowth.

  77. Tel

    Anyway, St Jacinta has decided that he should not lose his job – he was just being a silly billy. No word on whether he was prosecuted, but I know where my money would be on that question.

    He got a very minor demotion.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/pm-clark-i-expect-better-so-does-new-zealand

  78. rickw

    Oh, that little D2 is cute. The US Engineer Brigade I worked for in Iraq had these uparmoured D9s. Super heavy – had a few issues with getting them around from place to place.

    Love that, just the thing for giving your local vicpol outpost a tidy up.

  79. rickw

    Breaking: Caltex Brisbane has shut down their refineries operation.

  80. The Beer Whisperer

    One for the conspiracy theorists, involving Bill Gates, and also included representatives from the UN Foundation, the World Bank, China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the Central Intelligence Agency, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as leaders from the travel, banking, pharmaceutical, and healthcare services industries. A trial run, called Event 201 was held last October in New York, pretending to be 3 months into a global pandemic.

    Now we know Bill Gates is trying to produce a vaccine, and, separately, digital certificates to identify what vacinnes one has had. Of course, there is much speculation as to how he intends to achieve this and in what form.

    However, the first link above has an article about developing an app to identify contacts in a pandemic. I doubt its effectiveness without widespread take up, so it could easily become mandatory to receive medical attention or anything else.

    So many ways to entrap you.

  81. rickw

    Arky, I know why you left NZ, on a telecon with the kiwi’s, FMD.

  82. Mater

    New Yorkers are dying of the Corona virus at the rate of one every three minutes.
    Incredible…..

    And yet, you’ve not answered my question as to what strategy we take if a vaccine is impossible.
    Lock everyone up for life?

  83. Ed Case

    And Qld’s closest version, Jackie Trad, will be gone next election even if the ALP is returned. Granted a green will be in parliament instead, but whatever it is won’t be in government.

    Interesting strategy by the LNP. The Gabba Ward is inside South Brisbane and was safe Labor until 2016.
    This time the ALP vote cratered, Labor ran last and the Green nearly got an absolute majority.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/bcc/2020/guide/tgab

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the government needs to do wide scale random anti body tests to see how far into the population this thing has spread. waiting for vaccines or zero cases is recipe for economic suicide. vast majority of people will only have mild symptoms. isolate the at risk and let the rest get on with it.

  85. Perfidious Albino

    Feds should contract Caltex to keep producing and put into strategic reserve – assuming we had somewhere to store it?

  86. The Beer Whisperer

    The ability to stealth edit digital news is a great disadvantage for readers. With print media, once it was out there, it was out there – a great incentive to get things right or risk being sued or simply laughed at.

    wait, you don’t take screen shots of every damning indictment of the left? People have been doing it for yonks.

  87. 1735099

    And yet, you’ve not answered my question as to what strategy we take if a vaccine is impossible.

    Go to the Doherty Institute website.
    The people who have developed the range of contingencies available know what they’re talking about, unlike the bulk of posters here.
    The current three pronged strategy (quarantine, isolation and social distancing) is working.
    That is disappointing for you, I understand, but you’ll get over it in the fullness of time.

  88. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Vital news from the front page of The Australian:

    ” ‘Severe, widespread’ bleaching on Reef

    A coral studies expert has announced the Great Barrier Reef is undergoing its third coral bleaching event in five years.”

    You’d reckon these lying urgers could give it a rest for a month or seven. Their prospects of free money for “research” are not real flash at the moment, although I reckon they would do alright with some creative re-labelling.

    One can only but imagine the spending spree now being enjoyed by public servants, as they spend madly on their favorite projects with funds camouflaged as “urgent coronavirus expenditure”, unfettered by oversight from the Department of Finance. It has been a good season for them, with the plague following hard on the heels of their bush fires feast, during which any claimed associated cost was waved through without examination.

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The current three pronged strategy (quarantine, isolation and social distancing) is working.

    working to convert a 3 month catastrophe into an 18 month catastrophe

  90. Wow, 480 New Yorkers die a day from a flu like virus, the most sickly first, dodgy data collection etc.

    What’s the population?

    Eight million?

  91. Its Remarkable

    Zippy: …wide scale random anti body tests to see how far into the population this thing has spread. waiting for vaccines or zero cases is recipe for economic suicide. vast majority of people will only have mild symptoms. isolate the at risk and let the rest get on with it

    Agree.
    Vaccine would be nice, but experience with the original SARS suggests unreliable and long time.
    Best approach in my view:
    Widespread testing using RT PCR to pick up those with the actual virus – into isolation for you.
    Implement widespread testing for antibodies – pick up those who had had the virus and now have antibodies, expecting to be now immune – back to normal life for you (if that is possible).
    Take special care of those most at risks of adverse symptoms, or worse – elderly, ill, co-morbidity etc. Either continue ‘social’ distancing or isolate.

  92. Nick

    From the Oz:

    The exoneration of George Pell has revealed institutional flaws in Victoria that will tarnish Australian justice in the eyes of the world. Those shortcomings must be remedied.

    The baseless conviction of Cardinal Pell is an international scandal that will rank alongside the jailing of Lindy Chamberlain for the murder of her baby, who was actually taken by a dingo.

    Just like the Chamberlain case, the Pell disaster will inevitably find its way into a movie that will do no favours for the standing of Australian justice.

    Two of the state’s most senior judges — Chief Justice Anne Ferguson and Court of Appeal president Chris Maxwell — have been shown to have made a fundamental error; the reliability of the state’s jury system has been left in doubt; and the wisdom of the state’s police in effectively advertising for complaints about the cardinal is open to question.

    The immediate blame will inevitably rest with the Court of Appeal. But that court also boasts the real hero in this affair: judge Mark Weinberg, who defied the state’s anti-Pell frenzy and delivered a powerful, 204-page dissent whose reasoning has now been vindicated.

    The High Court’s 44-page unanimous judgment amounts to a primer for the judiciary, particularly in Victoria, on how criminal justice is supposed to work. That primer was needed: if an innocent man can be jailed without a proper basis in law, nobody is safe.

    The pain for Victoria does not end there. Pell’s tormentors in the media will need to re-examine the way they engaged in years of character assassination that has left them looking foolish.

    The state government cannot escape the fallout. Victoria should join NSW by allowing high-profile criminal matters to be heard by a judge alone — without the assistance of a potentially biased jury.

    The worst aspect of this case is that Victorian legislation meant the Pell jury was denied the full story about the man who claimed to have been assaulted by the cardinal.

    Relevant evidence about the complainant was kept from the jury by virtue of legislation that was put in place with the clear intention of protecting those who claim to be victims of sexual assault.

    The Pell jury was never told that the complainant had a history of psychological problems that required treatment. Nor were they told that Pell’s legal team was rebuffed in court — in the absence of the jury — when they attempted to gain access to records showing the extent of this man’s psychological problems.

    That episode is outlined in the special leave application that was filed in the High Court by Pell’s legal team, led by Bret Walker SC. During the trial, it would have been a contempt of court for anyone to reveal this incident.

    That application, which is a public document on file with the High Court, says “the applicant (Pell) could not tell the jury that the complainant had had psychological treatment and the applicant had been denied the ability to obtain records of it”.

    That needs to change.

    Chris Merritt

  93. shatterzzz

    “You get what you vote/pay for” is an old adage but how well is it living up to its boast in Oz today? As the world, in general, struggles to contain BAT FLU here in Oz it has brought another aspect of leadership to the fore .. Benevolent DICTATORSHIP .. Yes, folks OUR elite or as they are more, euphemistically, known the political overlords have not only scummed their way over the legal profession to the top of the pond but for all intents and purposes are relishing in their new found dictat.
    Never before has there been such an opportunity to corral the vote-herd and let the sheep-dogs loose .. full sheeple!
    Bradbury/Scottie from Marketing depending on which persona he adopts for his daily whip-cracking .. and doesn’t he luv to crack it! Red faced from his Hawaiian sojourn whist Oz burned and still pea-less at having to miss the Sharkies opening games has unleashed his inner HOW DARE YOU with a vengeance, closing down businesses, throwing tens of thousands onto the Dole and curtailing our, basic, freedom of movement all for a disease that was, supposedly, to exceed the feeding frenzy of CLIMATE CHANGE!
    Soooo, following some theoretical modelling, which we still haven’t seen, rules/laws taken straight from the masses-control-of handbook are in force. Mind it is still a cunning gambit given that if BAT FLU doesn’t achieve the figures readily printed at the beginning, who can forget those woe is us headlines of the coming of Armageddon .. April 1 .. 500 000 infected .. 25 000 dead .. figures not quite reached but still that’s all due to OUR responsible governance!
    Yet one of the Bradbury decisions does stand out even though very little has been said about the gummint sudden concern about doing it tuff! To appease the cattle influx lowing in the Centrelink paddock the Dole was increased by $550 a fortnight taking it $150 higher than either the OAP or rorters pension .. Think about that for a moment … until a coupla weeks ago pensioners were doing it tuff and often evoked sympathy (not dollars) from the gummint whereas we have had it drummed in that Dole was a stop-gap between jobs not a career choice and then suddenly in an overwhelming show of emotion BIG GUMMINT saw the light and decided being on the Dole needed more money for sustenance than an OAP or a rorter ever could ……… unbelievable …. and not a word in query from the compliant media.
    But, of course, it’s not all about Bradbury/Scottie from Marketing we also have State gummints revelling in their moment too. One can just imagine the various Premiers, on rising in the morning, goose-stepping around the full-length mirror, Stasi/SS style uniforms resplendent with see-your-face- polished thigh high boots and a pencil drawn line under the nose … thankfully, none has dared, YET, to appear in public wearing their wet-dream costumes.
    In NSW where the cruise liner Ruby Princess was allowed to dock and its passengers homeward bound to spread BAT FLU far and wide lotza blame-game doing the rounds but no heads rolling down the decking ..
    Now under a serious Westminster style gummint the Premier would have ordered the Health minister investigate, sack those, deemed, responsible before tendering his own resignation for incompetence before the Premier, herself, resigned owing to her failure to appoint someone qualified to run a State gummint dept.
    Then again, this is …… NSW … soooooooo, instead the Minister says, “Not my fault” and points the bone at, unspecified, public servants .. the Premier, happy to accept this excuse then orders the Police Commissioner to send the Homicide Squad in to investigate … homicide being the least obvious motive .. but still! .. meanwhile the Commish is running around with gleeful delight instructing all and sundry (also known as the sheeples collective) to stay indoors, get their budgie smugglers off gummint beaches and don’t dare drive on gummint roads plus anything else that takes his fancy … apparently criminal activity has been relegated to 19th place on the police farce to-do list!
    Western Australia and Queensland have shut their borders to all comers and are running the same sets of rules/laws as NSW whilst Victoria just to prove it is the Premier state is not only on the same wave length but makes the point of issuing tuffa regulations on a day to day basis than everyone else ……. then again crime, which was never a priority, anyway, has moved downward from, its usual, 11th spot to 23rd on the important tasks operational structure.
    Yes folks …… everyone is having a jolly good time fulfilling their what-we-always-wanted-to-do-but-didn’t-dare bucket lists and luv getting up each morning to more regulation edicts! In fact unless your one of the vote-herd your having a really good time ………. BAT FLU .. Bat Flu …. it’s still here but not sooo important as it was last week .. and next week … BAT WHO?

  94. Mater

    Go to the Doherty Institute website.
    The people who have developed the range of contingencies available know what they’re talking about, unlike the bulk of posters here.

    Oh yeah. The second article on their website is entitled:

    COVID-19 presents problems and dilemmas, not clear solutions

  95. win

    Entropy: Palachooks when first elected had a fat Trade Un ion Leader doing the interviews with her.

  96. Tom

    Such fun watching Trump’s daily chook-feeding of the White House Get Trump press corps, especially the frightbats. They’re like naughty daughters goading daddy into smacking them.

  97. Farmer Gez

    ‘The current three pronged strategy (quarantine, isolation and social distancing) is working.’

    But a great many people aren’t working.
    You cannot keep this up for any length of time. I’ve no doubt the virus will get to a low level but will it be gone?
    South Korea had it knocked down early but the the new cases bubble along at 80-90 a day. What next?

    The other problem is keeping the young and fit locked away from their usual routines indefinitely. They will eventually go out and when they do in numbers, no police force or politician will be able to enforce fines or arrests for thousands.

    The lockdown strategy has a very short lifespan.

  98. woolfe

    Hey win there is probably a market for a mini iron dome to take out drones

  99. Shy Ted

    ScoMo will lose the next election by a landslide.
    Doesn’t matter though. His and his ilk’ financial futures are iron-clad locked in plus sinecures and gigs. No matter how much we write to them it doesn’t get through. They are in a virtual cocoon of fine food and drinks, comfort and disconnection. Same as State pollies. The weak link is local councils whose vastly overpaid execs are in your area and thought they shield themselves with community engagement officers and the like, if you don’t pay your rates and charges their proles won’t get paid. There has never been a better time now than to respond to their threats with “no money, can’t pay. Take a pay cut, sack a few staff, reduce the rates”. Honk your horn if you see them in the streets or pass their house. All politics is local.

  100. lotocoti

    The European Union leaps into action.
    Apparently there’s a potential health crisis brewing in Italy.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    The lockdown strategy has a very short lifespan.

    ScoMo has a ready alternative, which is to roll out the HCQ-azithromycin option. Early treatment of infected people would substantially stop both their contagiousness and possible deaths. The combination could well reduce Wubug to flu or cold level of seriousness.

    But to do that we’d need a substantial stock of the pharmaceuticals plus a big dose of humble pie for a lot of pollies – especially TDS affected ones.

  102. Farmer Gez

    Protestors outside the Carmelite Convent and St.Patricks cathedral in Melbourne.
    Where are the police?
    What lawful right have they to gather? C’mon plod at least try to be objective.
    Foul graffiti on the cathedral this morning.
    These people are doing great damage to the cause of legitimate victims of child abuse.

  103. win

    In the UK Police came to the aide of a disabled pensioner when Dominos stopped taking food orders .The Aldershot policeperson helping the man to walk using him/her as a crutch with his arm across their shoulder is a lesson in humanity that shows up the rabid behaviour of Australian police bloated with authoritarian over reach in all aspects of our lives.

  104. Frank

    Calli

    Here’s the story, Joh. Interesting the ABC removed it.

    He may not look like the sharpest tool but the thing that jumps out from that photo is Jacinda and how he is transitioning into a Spitting Image puppet.

  105. calli

    Protestors outside the Carmelite Convent and St.Patricks cathedral in Melbourne.

    Plod will only be interested if they’re sporting “L” plates.

  106. Mother Lode

    These people are doing great damage to the cause of legitimate victims of child abuse.

    Ha!

    Vikplod will fine people sitting on the beach or on a park bench, or sitting in a closed space having a driving lesson with someone they spend all day with even though they will not be visiting anyone, but a rabid mob – and you can be sure there is plenty of spittle being blasted into the air by their furious howls and screams – gets a pass.

    You would think this would be a good time for the police to at least look like they are impartial.

  107. Nick

    Protestors outside the Carmelite Convent and St.Patricks cathedral in Melbourne.

    Seriously ? At what point does this become harassment?
    The media don’t help, wheeling out Christine Forster every five minutes. Pell cannot be blamed for all the things the church has done wrong.

  108. MatrixTransform

    This is the solution to our problem. Small business. No interest paying debt. Lots of cash. Too many tools.

    I like you already Mencius

    … two hands … your best asset

  109. 1735099

    72% of Corona virus deaths in Chicago are African Americans.
    30% of the population in Chicago is African American.

  110. BrettW

    Hadley giving us his opinion on Pell.

  111. vr

    72% of Corona virus deaths in Chicago are African Americans.
    30% of the population in Chicago is African American.

    Illinois has a Democrat governor, a billionaire born into the family that owns Hyatt. Chicago has had a democrat mayor since forever.

  112. Nick

    So what?
    More than 70 per cent of Italy’s coronavirus deaths have been among men but scientists there admit they are mystified by the gender gap.

  113. twostix

    72% of Corona virus deaths in Chicago are African Americans.
    30% of the population in Chicago is African American.

    Obviously not following the lockdown rules, right numbers?

    Bad citizens, mass murderers not staying locked in their homes, right?

  114. vr

    Numbers — the same story is playing out in Louisiana and Michigan. Guess which party is in power?

  115. Leigh Lowe

    Protestors outside the Carmelite Convent and St.Patricks cathedral in Melbourne.

    More than two and it is a $1650 fine, right.

  116. BrettW

    Responding to him calling Bolt creepy.

  117. twostix

    The current three pronged strategy (quarantine, isolation and social distancing) is working.

    Only retarded public school teachers could think that this is a “strategy” – locking everyone in their homes forever.

    What happens as soon as we all leave our homes dumbo? Oh yes, that’s right, that’s the next part of the “strategy” that we’re being introduced to – lockdowns on and off forever.

  118. feelthebern

    facebook giving its suppression powers a test.
    Limiting whatsapp forwarding “during the current health crisis”.
    Can’t see them winding back that one.

  119. Ed Case

    The media don’t help, wheeling out Christine Forster every five minutes. Pell cannot be blamed

    That’s Abbott’s sister. She hasn’t weighed in yet, but the night is still young.
    Christine Foster does have a grievance tho she’s allowed herself to be used by those with suspect motives.

  120. calli

    Thanks for the new banner, Sinc.

    The Passover meal will be something special this year. Instead of the extended family gathering, each one will be in their little household. I wish them every blessing and the knowledge of the love and care of the Almighty.

  121. Yes stix, wait until next year’s “horror flu season”.

    It’s for your own good, you’re saving lives and this is only temporary.

  122. MatrixTransform

    Maybe if you go around to their house there is a lizard following them in and out of their room with a laser pointed at their heads.

    JC … I guess that explains the blue Tongue

  123. lotocoti

    Hadley giving us his opinion on Pell.

    He’s from the Hetty J. school of If He Wasn’t Guilty, He Wouldn’t Be Here.

  124. Leigh Lowe

    Christine Foster does have a grievance tho she’s allowed herself to be used by those with suspect motives.

    Her grievance is with the particular priest who abused her daughters.
    Nothing to do with Pell.
    Visiting a vengeful injustice on another innocent party makes her as bad as the original abuser.

  125. BrettW

    Hadley upset over attack on him by Bolt on his own network (I am guessing on Alan’s show this morning).

    I clearly remember Hadley insulting callers who tried to discuss Pell’s innocence or express support for him.

    Hadley a longtime ambassador for Bravehearts whose Hetty Johnson continued in article yesterday the Daniel Andrews mantra you will be believed.

    Evidence of no concern to Hadley who seems unhappy with the Magnificent Seven. Happy with the jury system which got him result he wanted but the justice in the appeal system not valid based on his views.

    Hadley just mentioned Bolt was online but refused to take call and said “go away you flea”.

    The fact is Bolt would tear him apart if Hadley had to discuss the case based on actual evidence rather than “I believe you” not back up by a single piece of evidence.

    Go Bolt !

  126. Old School Conservative

    Off to have a lumbar puncture without anesthetic.

    Good luck Peter.

  127. Mother Lode

    The objections to the case against the Cardinal have been consistent from the get go. Time and again the objections have been to ignoring Church tradition and ritual, building layout, witnesses, and the ridiculous contradictions and changing testimony of the naughty boy.

    This has not been some reflexive repudiation of whatever the courts have said from day to day, but a defined body of identified judicial dereliction. A dereliction that was not recognised until the case escaped Victoria.

    If it was the former, if it was just the peeved gainsaying of whatever the judges said (akin to putting hands on ears and shouting ‘Liar! Liar! Liar!’) that would be one thing. Not an important thing. Not a cogent thing.

    But it wasn’t.

    Exactly the same objections were made from the beginning, and ultimately the HC came to the same conclusions.

    I honestly think the Cardinal ought to take legal action not out of revenge, but to expose the motivations and illegitimate loyalties of the people who persecuted him (and still are) because they will do it to others in their turn, and do so at the expense of the rightful claims of the people of Victoria to justice and their freedoms.

  128. Boambee John

    previous political interference with the chain of command.

    Seagull is unaware that the President is constitutionally the Commander in Chief.

    See Lincoln, Abraham, and his practice of replacing generals who failed to deliver.

    See Roosevelt, Franklin, and his decision to promote George Marshall over the heads of around 400 officers ahead of him in rank and seniority.

    Trump has the constitutional right to “interfere” in the chain of commsnd.

    Seagull is full of sh1t!

  129. MatrixTransform

    Super funds are a relatively new way to separate working people from their wages, and they are kind of halfway like a bank (they offer a savings vehicle) and in order to be useful to government they also must buy the overpriced bonds. It’s a tax in disguise.

    Exactly right IMO.
    the industry funds do offer cheap insurance though.
    As long as you keep a minimum balance
    Which is why my month-by-month super goes into one … then gets transferred out later to the SMSF

  130. Tintarella di Luna

    We get data daily from our Health Experts

    Oh dear, like the ones that allowed the Ship of Contagion the Ruby Princess to disgorge 2700 passengers at 2:30am — those health experts? Well Gladys, I am not filled with confidence.

  131. Tintarella di Luna

    Hadley is a bellicose blowhard who has not the wit or the will to think. It’d be a terrible travesty if a mischievous person were to cry rope in relation to those who so blithely dismiss the presumption of innocence and evidence as key in any prosecution.

  132. Tintarella di Luna

    The twitterverse Sleeping midgets at it again

    Dear Companies who advertise on Sky News “IF” (now) Cardinal Pell chooses to go forward with his interview with Andrew Bolt & you choose to advertise during the program we will ensure your company’s name appears on our advertiser list PERMANENTLY just to remind everyone.

  133. Mother Lode

    Ha!

    Miranda Devine’s tweet on that Gruniad article.

    She personally has more status in the US than the entire of the ABC. She can slag them off in the US and the ABC cannot rebut it they might wish so, but no one would hear.

  134. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the cat ahead of the curve – paywalled

    Revealed: push to let virus infect us all slowly
    A long-term strategy to ease ­social-isolation restrictions and expose Australians to COVID-19 in manageable doses is being considered by health officials.

  135. Mother Lode

    The twitterverse Sleeping midgets at it again

    Certainly any company that decided to cut advertising on the basis that a man who was wrongfully convicted has finally been released gives an interview will go on my list as well.

  136. notafan

    Did sleeping midgets threaten to boycott the ABC if Cardinal Pell had accepted the invitation by Leigh Sales?

    Bizarre.

  137. notafan

    I suppose numbers has been very busy.

  138. Leigh Lowe

    Tintarella di Luna

    #3399617, posted on April 8, 2020 at 9:43 am

    ABC backs its reporting on George Pell after Andrew Bolt accuses it of a witch-hunt Quelle surprise!

    Their ABC seems to be on the back foot today.

  139. twostix

    “Health Experts!”.

    “Medical Experts!”.

    Pharisees were Legal Experts.

    Terrible politicians and judgement though.

  140. Top Ender

    One for the Cardinal this morning:

  141. twostix

    Dear Companies who advertise on Sky News “IF” (now) Cardinal Pell chooses to go forward with his interview with Andrew Bolt & you choose to advertise during the program we will ensure your company’s name appears on our advertiser list PERMANENTLY just to remind everyone.

    I don’t know if they know it, but businesses aren’t in any position to be pretending to be woke at the moment.

  142. calli

    Foster has a huge burden to bear, and I pity her sincerely. She has admirable strength of character in the face of terrible tragedy.

    I saw an interview many years ago, when she and her husband admitted to dreadful feelings of guilt for bringing the evil person into their home, welcoming him and thus giving the creature access to their daughters. I understand that guilt, however misplaced, and how it must be part of every waking moment.

    She woke up many to the possibility of predators in their midst, particularly in the church. She certainly helped open my eyes to things I didn’t quite understand when I was young. Yes, the older male “hoverers” around the CEBS and Sunday School groups – the vast majority innocent, but some…not so much.

  143. twostix

    What is it with the left and keeping death lists?

    Very unchristian at this time.

    Godless people.

  144. Ed Case

    Paper coffee filters have disappeared from supermarket shelves in Brisbane.
    Made in Germany, perhaps the importers decided not to place an order a couple of months ago?

  145. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Bruce of Newcastle at 7:03 am:

    To be fair Vicplod rescinded the $1600 L-plater fine.
    Once they realised how much of a faceplant it was.”

    If you climb into the ring muttering that lovely fair and thoughtful loveliness you are guaranteeing a decidedly unlovely hiding within the first three rounds.

    If some bureaucracy deserves a flogging there is no point storming in with a “Kick me” sign on your back.

  146. Perfidious Albino

    Perhaps VicPol need a complaint before they can act on the activists breaching lockdown rules? Oh wait, this is Victoria…

  147. Nick

    Christine Foster does have a grievance tho she’s allowed herself to be used by those with suspect motives.

    The woman has truly suffered. However, making her a talking head about Pell only hurts her mental well-being even more. Why get her to relive her pain via a media looking for a sound bite about an innocent man? Shameful.

  148. Cardimona

    Cats, I just sent an op-ed length letter to a Queensland regional daily that sometimes hosts long letters.
    It probably won’t get in, but it might edumacate a journo-lister…

    The Editor

    Back in January when our bushfires were bad I took screenshots from a website that streams emissions data collected from satellites.

    I used them to show three dozen nominally conservative federal politicians that even at our worst we are insignificant compared to China.

    That was during Chinese Lunar New Year celebrations, when much of the Chinese workforce were enjoying holidays – and it was when the novel coronavirus became a problem in Wuhan.

    The emissions I’ve tracked since then include carbon monoxide (CO) from nearly all combustion processes, nitrogen dioxide (NO2) mostly from fertiliser manufacture, and sulphur dioxide (SO2) from the use of dirty coal and high-sulphur diesel.

    As the virus took hold in China and their totalitarian government welded citizens into their buildings their emissions collapsed and clear skies replaced their perpetual brown smog.

    I became alarmed about the potential for this virus to become a global pandemic so I used the skills I’d acquired drilling to source data to fight lefties in the climate wars to try and find hard data for COVID-19.

    Unsurprisingly, there was none; there was only opinion, conjecture, and very limited studies based on questionable data collected by the utterly incompetent WHO.

    Remember, the WHO is a political organisation, not a medical one, and it initially said there was no human-to-human transmission when clearly there was and that facemasks serve no purpose when clearly they do.

    The Chinese figures were ridiculously low (because to save face they tried to cover it up) and then the Italian figures were ridiculously high (because they’re after yet another EU bail-out).

    Here in Australia the impact of the disease has been spectacularly underwhelming. Just the usual demographic of sick and elderly dying in numbers normal for the flu season.

    Some of the studies contained clues to why COVID-19 clearly hit Chinese people in China’s polluted cities harder than Aussies in Australia’s urban sprawl: higher quantities of virus-bonding ACE2 receptors in Chinese lungs; persistent smog blocking vitamin D from sunlight; compromised respiratory systems from breathing smog; heavy smoking; high-density living; minimal attention to hand hygiene; poor diets (wet markets); etc.

    Nonetheless our government looked at “modelling” of the virus, based on that irrelevant and unreliable data, and decided to pre-emptively euthanise our national economy, steal our personal freedoms, destroy our national wealth, and plunge us into multi-generational debt.

    So who did the modelling? There was some done here but it was based on work done by Harvard (Massachusetts) and Imperial College (London) – the same institutions that brought us climate models that showed two metres of sea level rise by 2010 from settled-science-consensus global warming.

    The applicable phrase is “garbage in – garbage out”.

    So, anyway, what about those emissions? Well, CO is nearly back to Chinese New Year levels so China’s factories are getting back to work. NO2 is still down, which has implications for global food production in coming seasons. SO2 is still down, showing power demand and traffic is still down.

    On traffic, there’s a navigator website that shows the last seven days traffic congestion in a given city compared to the same week last year. It shows Chinese cities have night-time curfews and that Wuhan is still very sick. That fits the slump in Chinese SO2 emissions.

    The upshot of all this? The Morrison government, and many others around the world, may have just learned the most-expensive lesson ever about blind trust in “experts”. The climate wrongology has set us back twenty years on where we should be and now medical wrongology has set us back another eighty years.

    There’s also the small matter of the ugly totalitarianism just beneath the surface of many of the self-interested, miseducated misanthropes in our State and Territory parliaments – all happy to steal our hard-won rights at the first opportunity. Their bans on border crossings are unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

    Then there’s the media personalities who told us that we were racist if we weren’t eating at Chinese restaurants four weeks ago but are now hiding in their homes while armed police fine their neighbours $1652 each for playing backyard cricket.

    In my considered opinion the Morrison government needs to admit that because there’s no solid reason to have virtually imprisoned Aussies in their own homes all restrictions are now over and everyone can try to rebuild from the smoking ruins of the biggest economic home goal in all history.

    To fix the mess: no more money for the UN; withdraw from all UN agreements; slash foreign aid; slash immigration; slash the public sector; slash regulations; eliminate renewables targets and subsidies; return to cheap, reliable coal-fired energy; revitalise manufacturing; kill off the French submarines deal; purge leftists activists from academia and education; close the ABC, BOM, CSIRO, and many other left-captured government agencies; and declare communists the enemies of the Australian people.

    (800 words)

  149. Dr Faustus

    Good news for those worried about the well-being of Witness J.

    ‘I am OK’: Pell’s accuser accepts High Court decision

    Carry on.

  150. calli

    Any news of Clammie this morning, or is she still sucking her thumb?

    At least that would stop her tweeting defamatory accusations.

  151. Mother Lode

    “Health Experts!”.

    “Medical Experts!”.

    Pharisees were Legal Experts.

    Our political elite respond to ‘experts’ with complete unquestioning submission.

    ‘Experts’ are like microscopes that have keenest sight and insight in a narrow space. Other experts are the same in other areas.

    Politicians’ jobs is to listen to the experts and weigh it up with more general considerations, people considerations, that the experts due to their narrow focus are blind to.

    They might say, for example, “But we can’t lock people in their own homes indefinitely” or “That is very serious, but as a country we need to make sure people will have jobs to come back to. So what other options are there?”

    Our leaders are nothing more than a dumb club that ‘experts’ use to hit the population at large with. Very very mediocre people.

    And here I am talking about the good ones.

  152. Old School Conservative

    Parents are beginning to realise what actually goes on in schools.
    Or not.
    Now Victorian kiddies are being home schooled, the Department’s advice for schooling hours are:
    prep to yr 2, ~2hrs per day.
    Up to yr 10, ~3.5 hours per day.

    Just a tad under a typical 6 hour day. (The Australian)

  153. woolfe

    Great article on Pell in Paywallian by Greg Craven

    The spectacular 7-0 decision of the High Court in favour of Cardinal George Pell is impossible to describe in conventional terms of winning or losing.
    It can be understood only in terms of impact. The impact of wrongful imprisonment and vile insult in the case of Pell. The ­impact of years of legal anxiety, and the final crushing collapse for the complainant.
    But the greatest impact will be on the Victorian criminal justice system. How could that proud system get something as important as this so legally wrong so consistently through so many steps over a process that lasted years?

    In the final analysis, the decision of the High Court came down to the most basic proposition of the Australian criminal law. Nobody can be convicted of a criminal ­offence unless that offence is proved beyond reasonable doubt — no matter how much they, or the organisation they represent, may be loathed.
    Facts pointing to a reasonable doubt cannot be overcome by anything, even the perception that the person making the allegations presents as highly believable.
    And appeal courts are not ­entitled to ignore factual doubts through deference to the view of a jury that a complainant was deeply convincing.
    Because facts, in criminal law, beat impressions. To justify the ­decision of the High Court, no one has to believe that the complainant was lying. It simply was the case that his evidence could not ­legally meet the facts.
    This is a major part of the tragedy of this case. No one is going to emerge unscathed.
    On the one hand, we have a man who has been unjustly imprisoned and reviled. True, his enemies will never again be able to call him a “convicted pedophile” — the High Court has substituted a verdict of acquittal — but his life and reputation have been trashed.
    Then we have another man, his accuser, who has been dragged through the thorns of the same justice system over a period of years to what looked like triumph but now is a bitter end.
    How could all this have ­happened?
    The grim answer is that the ­beginning of this disaster was the same as its end: the concept of a reasonable doubt. This never was a case where charges could be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
    There always were too many witnesses who were in the right place but saw nothing. Too many mathematical failures of timing. To many improbabilities of opportunity and action.
    Yet it has taken the highest and final court in the land to state the flatly obvious.
    From the beginning, in legal circles there was virtually no dispassionate observer who thought the charges could stick: not in terms of being prosecuted, let alone to the point of conviction.
    Lonely dissenters hated Pell so much they did not care, said he certainly was guilty of other crimes anyway or that he was the right person to be punished for the general crimes of Catholic clergy. In other words, they had abandoned their legal ethics.
    The inescapable conclusion is that Pell was prosecuted on an unwinnable charge for two reasons: first, that there were those within the justice system, particularly the police, who were determined to destroy him; second, that there was a large segment of the media, fuelled by the police and “victims’ lawyers”, that so clamoured for Pell’s conviction that the weaknesses of the case against him were drowned out by howls of accusation.
    For many years, police had a dreadful record in prosecuting sexual offences. The slightest difficulty would see them drop a case and the hope of a victim for vindication and affirmation. Lives were ruined and lost.
    But with Pell, the police pursued him relentlessly, improperly and publicly. Repeatedly, the ­Office of Public Prosecutions ­refused to put the police charges. Finally, the police themselves forced its hand.
    The same police force that stalked Pell, giving regular press conferences along the way referring to his “victims”, and briefing selected journalists, is now the subject of a royal commission, ­effectively into their use of a defence lawyer as an informant.
    This is less a culture than a drain.
    At the same time, a self-­congratulatory media acted as a mob rather than journalists. Instead of reporting a case, they did their best to create an atmosphere conducive to a conviction.
    The ABC — supposedly our “most trusted” source of news –— was and remains particularly virulent. Its spear carrier is journalist Louise Milligan, whose life’s work has been her book shredding the Cardinal’s reputation.
    But after the High Court’s decision, there now will need to be an extra, very uncomfortable chapter.
    One remarkable thing is how the ABC sought to trash Pell and the Catholic Church even as the High Court appeal proceeded.
    Coincidentally, the first episode of Sarah Ferguson’s Revelation was aired on St Patrick’s Day, while its last — dealing with what falsely were claimed to be “new” allegations against Pell — was rushed forward once the date of the High Court’s decision was announced.
    It was almost as if the ABC had the breathtaking arrogance to think that it might influence the decision of our highest court.
    But more likely it had to do with opening shots in the second campaign against Pell by the ABC and its media allies, largely being waged to drown out their catastrophic failure in the High Court.
    One part of this is to salivate over alleged impending civil claims against Pell. The other is to demand the release of the redacted portions of the royal commission’s report, which they clearly believe will propose charges against Pell for concealing child sexual abuse.
    Anyone can be civilly sued, but this has not yet happened to Pell, let alone has a judgment been given. The royal commission conceivably may recommend charges, but they have yet to be laid, heard or adjudged.
    The feverish speculation about them is merely the same self-­serving, irresponsible behaviour of a media faction that worked so hard to get and keep Pell in jail.
    And failed: seven-nil.

    Greg Craven is a professor of law and vice-chancellor of the Australian Catholic University.

  154. Numbers — the same story is playing out in Louisiana and Michigan. Guess which party is in power?

    WTF does the party have to do with the virus?
    Childish……

  155. feelthebern

    Our political elite respond to ‘experts’ with complete unquestioning submission.

    Eric Weinstein promotes his DISC theory.
    Distributed Idea Suppression Complex.

    Essentially, don’t believe what experts tell you.

  156. woolfe

    Article by Greg Craven in Paywallian eaten by spaminator

  157. MatrixTransform

    theTard accuses ‘childish’

    … a self effacing joke from the oldest teenager on the forum ?

  158. Geriatric Mayfly

    Witness J said in his statement through his lawyer Dr Vivian Waller.

    Written, produced and directed by Waller.

  159. Zatara

    72% of Corona virus deaths in Chicago are African Americans.
    30% of the population in Chicago is African American.

    And 99.9% of the Chicago African American population would tell you to ‘stuff yo lockdown up yo ass mutha fukka’.

    If they bothered talking to you at all before they shot you for being in their hood.

  160. RobK

    72% of Corona virus deaths in Chicago are African Americans.
    Are they African or American? Who’s differentiating on racial or ethnic grounds?
    Who’s conflating correlation and extrapolation.?

  161. Zatara

    Tucker Carlson makes an interesting observation that according to the national health stats COVID-19 must be having an amazing effect on curing pneumonia.

    Because the death by pneumonia numbers have gone down like a rock in the last month while COVID-19 ones have risen.

    Go figure.

  162. feelthebern

    Thanks for posting Zatara.

  163. feelthebern

    Deliberately incomplete or misleading data is corrupt.

  164. feelthebern

    Anyone who believes the data coming out of the NHS is a moron.

  165. RobK

    I note Sweden is also having an issue with Africans
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/03/sweden-coronavirus-spreading-rapidly-in-somali-community/

    Sweden’s Somali community is being hit particularly hard by the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak, with at least 6 of the 15 victims who have died of the disease so far in Sweden being of Somali background.

  166. rickw

    Just a tad under a typical 6 hour day. (The Australian)

    Quite a bit of spare time when you chop out all the programming and indoctrination.

    At 3.5 hours a day most working parents could handle that in their spare time, the kids get 2.5 hours back a day to persue whatever they want.

    They may have just busted the education ponzi wide open.

    Some time ago my nephew made the comment that 1 hours tutoring and 1 hours self study a day was all he needed to stop wasting his time going to school, he wasn’t far off.

  167. Boambee John

    WTF does the party have to do with the virus?
    Childish……

    Seagull seems unaware that different political parties have different priorities, which lead to different administrative actions, which lead to different results.

    Not even reaching the level of “childish”, but what else could be expected from a noisy scavenger?

  168. Bruce of Newcastle

    there is no point storming in with a “Kick me” sign on your back.

    Hehe, Mick, I was being sardonic. Which is pretty clear from the second sentence. 😀

  169. rickw

    Now Victorian kiddies are being home schooled, the Department’s advice for schooling hours are:
    prep to yr 2, ~2hrs per day.
    Up to yr 10, ~3.5 hours per day.

    We should use this as the basis for a real education revolution.

    Much of the current format is not conducive to actual learning, many of the subjects are tackled so slowly that students never gain proficiency. Obvious examples being language, computing, craft subjects, touch typing.

    Get kids into part time jobs with all their spare time, the alternate activity being running their own home businesses.

  170. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tintarella di Luna at 9:42 am:

    “Hadley is a bellicose blowhard who has not the wit or the will to think. It’d be a terrible travesty if a mischievous person were to cry rope in relation to those who so blithely dismiss the presumption of innocence and evidence as key in any prosecution.”

    Hadley is all hat and no cattle – he deserves to be fronted by a big bloke and flattened in public. The embarrassment and humiliation would see him off air in an instant.

    A little research reveals he has been sued numerous times and has had to settle many matters which highlight his sub human manner (he is given to uncontrolled screaming rage), including being required to make public apologies – one of which he embellished by bunging on crocodile tears of shame for the radio station workers. All of that is the behaviour of a gutless wonder.

  171. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Bruce of Newcastle at 10:34 am:

    ” there is no point storming in with a “Kick me” sign on your back.

    Hehe, Mick, I was being sardonic. Which is pretty clear from the second sentence. 😀 “

    Fair enough Bruce – my apologies. Perhaps I was blinded by Hadley-like rage! 😉

  172. Dr Faustus

    Rowe’s cartoon is actually rather good imagery.

    Slick clean High Court: crumbly edifice of Public Opinion, filled with casual observers going:

    ”Yeah, but not guilty dun mean innocent;
    “Farkim, there’s no smoke without fire, innit;
    “He’s a f’kn Catholic so even if he’s not a fiddler…;
    “It’s money what got him off, there were 23 other charges, I read that…”

    (Although, to be fair, Rowe certainly doesn’t mean any of that.)

  173. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Clear of WhüFlü, Dr Faustus!

  174. Fat Tony

    1735099
    #3399656, posted on April 8, 2020 at 10:09 am
    Numbers — the same story is playing out in Louisiana and Michigan. Guess which party is in power?
    WTF does the party have to do with the virus?
    Childish……

    There are no so blind as those who will not see…….

    Fuck off you demented old fool

  175. To fix the mess: no more money for the UN; withdraw from all UN agreements; slash foreign aid; slash immigration; slash the public sector; slash regulations; eliminate renewables targets and subsidies; return to cheap, reliable coal-fired energy; revitalise manufacturing; kill off the French submarines deal; purge leftists activists from academia and education; close the ABC, BOM, CSIRO, and many other left-captured government agencies; and declare communists the enemies of the Australian people.

    (800 words)

    As my grandmother used to say when one of our kids threw a tantrum –
    “How sweet….”

  176. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Nice work on that letter, Cardimona.

  177. Too childish to name who is responsible, too adult to bring politics into it and too dumb to understand irony or hypocrisy.

    Your thesis will be a joke that no one reads and it will lie impotent, incapable of even doing harm.

  178. cohenite

    I honestly think the Cardinal ought to take legal action not out of revenge, but to expose the motivations and illegitimate loyalties of the people who persecuted him (and still are) because they will do it to others in their turn, and do so at the expense of the rightful claims of the people of Victoria to justice and their freedoms.

    I agree on principle because these bastards will continue; but on practical terms who would he sue and on what basis; it would be a gigantic magnet focusing all this braying and ratbaggery.

  179. cohenite

    Cardimona
    #3399645, posted on April 8, 2020 at 10:01 am

    Great letter Cardi. Take no notice of the troll, with a bit of luck it’ll be dead soon.

  180. Old School Conservative

    Enjoyed your letter Cardimona.
    Let us know if it gets published.

  181. Infidel Tiger

    Brit Hume
    @brithume
    Well, Dr. Birx just said it. Anyone in U.S. who dies with Covid 19, regardless of what else may be wrong, is now being recorded as a Covid 19 death.
    7:24 AM · Apr 8, 2020

    Stupid.

  182. feelthebern

    You’re living in past ITK.
    New thread.

  183. stackja

    Ray Hadley and Alan Jones feud over George Pell case
    An almighty stoush erupted today involving top-rating radio hosts Ray Hadley and Alan Jones over Cardinal George Pell, who’s been acquitted of child sexual abuse.

    Matthew Benns, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    April 8, 2020 9:28am

    The long running feud between radio hosts Alan Jones and Ray Hadley erupted into open warfare on the airwaves this morning.

    Hadley blasted Jones for “poorly researched rubbish” on his breakfast show and said only “good taste” prevented him saying more.

    The outspoken morning show presenter furiously attacked Jones over an interview he had with The Daily Telegraph’s columnist Andrew Bolt.

    Bolt had appeared on the breakfast show with Jones and said: “I need Ray Hadley to apologise now, I was very hurt, he did a rant calling me creepy accusing me of creepy behaviour for defending George Pell.”

    Jones told Bolt: “I am sure in his heart of hearts he regrets those comments as well.”

    But Hadley responded angrily saying he had not called him creepy for defending Cardinal Pell but for his comments about a boy who had been abused. “I won’t be apologising to Bolt,” he said.

    “I never said the words attributed to me in relation to George Pell, no one asked me from that radio program this morning whether I said those words, that’s poorly researched rubbish,” he said.

    “For the attack on me this morning on my own network, to say I am disappointed yes I am,” he said. “Am I surprised, no I am not.”

  184. Nelson Kidd-Players

    YouTube embedding cheat sheet for the Cat:

    If your link looks like

    then it won’t embed (note .be domain).

    If your link looks like https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=MIKSQT-oXfc then it won’t embed (note m. URL prefix).

    If you give the link a caption, then it won’t embed.

    If it includes a jump to a time at the end like

    then it won’t embed.

    If it is part of a playlist like

    then it won’t embed.

    If it is like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKSQT-oXfc then it shall appear as:

  185. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Ah! It appears the YouTube embedding has been upgraded! Go for it, Ellie! (But still avoid https://m.youtube.com/!

  186. Entropy

    n
    #3399526, posted on April 8, 2020 at 8:39 am
    Entropy: Palachooks when first elected had a fat Trade Un ion Leader doing the interviews with her

    Sure, but the Qld right wing, including the union, are not like ALP right wing in other states. In many ways this beleaguered group (the left aligned with PS unions are in the ascendant) are to the right of the majority of the liberal party and all of the national party.
    Palaszczuk’s faction is actually the minority faction in the Qld cabinet, which is dominated by Trad’s.

  187. egg_

    NEW FRED ==================>

  188. Infidel Tiger

    In the past 24 hours, Victoria Police conducted 835 spot checks at homes, businesses and non-essential services across the state as part of Operation Sentinel, issuing 114 fines.

    Seven people were issued infringements after gathering at a house for a dinner party, as were a group of three friends who were playing a video game in a lounge room despite not residing together. Another four people were fined after being found walking the streets seeking drugs.

    Police have also fined people for gathering in parks.

    4 weeks ago the governments were saying we were racists for not frequenting Chinese restaurants. Now this.

  189. The Beer Whisperer

    Vikplod will fine people sitting on the beach or on a park bench, or sitting in a closed space having a driving lesson with someone they spend all day with even though they will not be visiting anyone, but a rabid mob – and you can be sure there is plenty of spittle being blasted into the air by their furious howls and screams – gets a pass.

    You would think this would be a good time for the police to at least look like they are impartial.

    Yesterday’s Pell decision has an added benefit. The Andrews govt now has an official crisis of legitimacy, not just illigitimacy in the eyes of some. Their two tired justice system has been exposed by the High Court, so what else is two tiered? L platers, leftist protestors, Christians, Muslims, and so on.

    How long can they keep half the population at home while the other half does what they want? Not as long as could before yesterday.

  190. notafan

    The fined druggies will end up in gaol.

    Great work vicplod.

  191. Crossie

    feelthebern
    #3399443, posted on April 8, 2020 at 7:51 am
    I’m still shocked that the reason we have to keep the country on lock down is because there are two sisters who live in an apartment in QLD who will die if we open the country.

    I was go smacked when I heard that, what’s more they have dozens of carers coming and going in their home daily. That must cost a bomb and now worth destroying our economy over.

  192. Crossie

    Lowe
    #3399598, posted on April 8, 2020 at 9:26 am
    Christine Foster does have a grievance tho she’s allowed herself to be used by those with suspect motives.

    Her grievance is with the particular priest who abused her daughters.
    Nothing to do with Pell.
    Visiting a vengeful injustice on another innocent party makes her as bad as the original abuser.

    And where was she when that was happening?

  193. Crossie

    Lowe
    #3399575, posted on April 8, 2020 at 9:15 am
    Protestors outside the Carmelite Convent and St.Patricks cathedral in Melbourne.

    More than two and it is a $1650 fine, right.

    In Victoria some people are more equal than others. Teenagers learning to drive in the family car are far less equal than those whom the police favour.

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