Tuesday Forum: April 7, 2020

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    twostix
    #3398179, posted on April 7, 2020 at 3:19 pm
    VicPol vs Public Enemies.

    https://twitter.com/GideonCRozner/status/1247369694887030789

    They should have done a runner.

    Nup.
    They should have done a Luke Batty.

  2. 1735099

    Is that how you greet old comrades at reunions?

    I’ve been to plenty of reunions in the last ten years.
    I can’t recall one discussion about weaponry.
    Incidentally, I showed movies at the horseshoe for two weeks in August 1970.
    I carried an SLR on operations Finschaffen and Cung Chung from February until June 1970.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    The ABC :-
    2016 – 2019 … “This is the most momentous legal case in Australia’s history.”
    7th April 2020 … “Meh.”

  4. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “It does not predict what will happen in Australia.”

    say what? isn’t that what the model is exactly supposed to do?

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    After all that you’re ready to be sent to the hospital storeroom to bring back a neck torniquet. 🙂

  6. cohenite

    WHO now advocating the necessity of coming into houses and removing in a dignified way those members of families who present a threat of infection to the rest of the family. Haha.

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    say what? isn’t that what the model is exactly supposed to do?

    Nah. Not this one.

    Many models predict what is likely to happen in fairyland.
    Or in a galaxy far, far away.
    Once upon a time …

    Tell ’em they’re dreaming … to quote an Aussie icon.

  8. Filbert

    Eddystone,
    Without talking too much outta school, saw some actual evidence of ‘that sorta stuff’ in FNQ about ten years ago.
    Mate of a mate.
    Dinkum.
    It is out there.

  9. Helen Davidson (nmrn)

    From the ABC’s live blogging of the press conference for the release of the modelling…

    Prof. Murphy when asked about schools:

    We have not found any evidence of any significant school-related outbreaks. We don’t know.

    There is no reason to withold children from school. We think schools need to be made safe, and the Cabinet has asked us to come back with some enhanced nmeasures to make the schools safe. But we believe there is not an evidence base to say that keeping children from home is a strong public health measure on the evidence we have.

    Scott Morrison when asked what the pandemic period is:

    The pandemic period is mapped to the JobKeeper program, and that runs for a period around six montHs. That can be extended or retracted at any time. The JobKeeper program has become a key building block for state and federal Government. It’s not a scientifically defined space but it is being assisted by the scientifc advice we are receiving.

    My bet is that
    1. kids will be back in schools and childcare in a couple of weeks,
    2. most shops and businesses (that have survived) re-opening around the same time, with some ‘social distancing’ rules about number of people per sq mtr
    3. restaurants same as 2
    4. Large venues such as clubs, pubs, etc re-opening a week or so later.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    WHO now advocating the necessity of coming into houses and removing in a dignified way those members of families who present a threat of infection to the rest of the family.

    As seen in the inscrutible dignity of Wuhan where people fought tooth and nail being dragged down a corridor from home.

  11. rickw

    VicPol vs Public Enemies.

    Vicpol hard at work recruiting people for the revolution!

  12. NoFixedAddress

    HUGE! Official IHME Model for Coronavirus Used by CDC Just Cut Their Numbers by Half!… They’re Making It Up As they Go Along!

    The government models used to predict the extent of the coronavirus pandemic are off by huge margins in the latest coronavirus tracking numbers.

    The government predictions reported by the IHME Covid Tracking (https://covidtracking.com/data/ ) for Apr 5th were as follows:

    – All beds needed: 179,267
    – ICU beds needed: 33,176
    – Invasive ventilators: 26,544

    So overnight the IHME — the official group Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have been promoting cut their numbers by more than half!
    Here is what the IHME NOW HAS for April 5th:

    – All beds needed: Was 179,267 … Now is 90,353
    – ICU beds needed: Was 33,176 … Now is 17,589
    – Invasive ventilators: Was 26,544 … Now is 14,951

    They cut their projections by almost HALF!… And THEY’RE STILL TOO HIGH!

    The CCP have played their CCP-Virus magnificently.

    They were head of the CCP-WHO for 10 years to learn and make contact with all the levers of World Pandemic Declarations.

    They have been in Western Universities for who knows how long with Confucius Centres, grants and individuals.

    They have met and know all of the ‘Expert’ University Modellers in the West.

    They hold a special banquet for Chinese New Year in Hubei and then send en-masse in excess of 5 million people throughout the world prior to Quarantines https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/9/millions-left-wuhan-china-coronavirus-quarantine/

    The entire Western Leftist Scum are full on board with obfuscation, projection and sheer 5th column bastardy with the Democrat apparatus out front of the pack.

    And fucking PM Morrison and the CMO have the gall to NOW tell us they have NO numbers for Australia.

    Just fucking overseas crap.

    There will NEVER be a vaccine.

    The Liberal Party of NSW should be de-registered for false advertising.

    Far Out. I picked a bad week to give up glue sniffing!

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Okay – so the government promised to release the modelling. Apart from a live presentation on Sky News where the sign language guy was standing in front of the slides I haven’t seen it. Is it up somewhere?

  14. Arky

    Come the revolution, those sign language fuckers should be first up against the wall.

  15. areff

    Doomlord: I believe Morrison said it would be released in full, but not in full today.

  16. egg_

    The surprising thing is total WuFlu is struggling to even reach 100 in Australia and that’s way lower than everywhere else. The only explanation is that we were hit with an earlier wave already in December and January while no one was counting.

    +1
    Hopefully, there’s some foundation to MSM speculation re “snap back”.
    Even the Left-leaning Insiders panel thought 6 months lockdown was unjustified and fraught with dissent.

    What will be the rules governing any “snap back”? How will the rights of workers and citizens be reinstituted after the crisis? As Greg Jericho argued over the weekend, talk of socialism is overblown, the government’s response still runs the risk of preserving interests of businesses over the interests of workers, and when “hibernation” ends there will be genuine contests over which will carry.

  17. Acting US Navy Secretary, Thomas Modly, is now eating crow.

    Modly, who has faced calls for his own removal, has now issued an apology saying: “I do not think Captain Brett Crozier is naive nor stupid.”

    The apology, which Mr Modly also extended to the carrier’s crew and Captain Crozier’s family, was a reversal from a statement the Navy’s top civilian issued hours earlier which said: “I stand by every word I said, even, regrettably any profanity that may have been used for emphasis.”

    Earlier, US President Donald Trump said he might get involved in the deepening crisis in the Navy, saying he may be able to resolve the situation.

    “You have two good people and they’re arguing … I’m good at settling these arguments. So I may look into it in great detail, in detail and I’ll be able to figure it out very fast,” he said.

    Captain Crozier should not have sent his letter, but he did not “want to destroy somebody for having a bad day,” Mr Trump said.

    Sailors have hailed the captain a hero, out to defend his crew at great cost to his career.
    More than 170 crew members on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive to COVID-19.
    A sailor on board the ship told the Reuters news agency that Mr Modly’s speech only angered the crew.

    “Nobody likes what he had to say … he made everyone more irritated,” said the sailor, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

  18. Sinclair Davidson

    areff – thanks.

  19. notafan

    Walked past a council run child care centre, just now. Plenty of little kids present.

    And they like to say hello to random passersby.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    The modelling is based on China and Iranian numbers.

    You can set your watch to it.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes, Helen, they are scrambling hastily towards the exit now.

    Those models were there as window dressing and excuses about what might have been.
    The sense of apology for them was apparent from the presenter’s distancing demeanour.
    They were irrelevant. They said nothing useful at all about Australia’s current situation.

    What is, not what might have been, that is the question.

    ScoMo quite good though in turning the question to hypotheticals with upper and lower limits and turning the issues to the economy rather than the medical wish lists.

  22. Anne

    RedPill.

    Bill Gates is a Rockefeller.

  23. Cardimona

    Talk about the Mother Of All Misattributions!
    Bruce Hawker just now on Sky News Radio.
    Claims the “collective” is finding a cure for coronavirus.
    No mention of individual research institutions.
    Oblivious to the money motive?
    Or just a dissembling xvnt?

  24. cohenite

    Cardimona
    #3398233, posted on April 7, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    Cardi, hawker is genuine scum; one of the few people I would smash if I met him on the street.

  25. rickw

    And fucking PM Morrison and the CMO have the gall to NOW tell us they have NO numbers for Australia.

    Just fucking overseas crap.

    There will NEVER be a vaccine.

    That’s it in a nutshell.

    Basically what has happened is the equivalent of your most retarded and incompetent employee being caught up in a serious situation and predictably, totally fucking it up.

    Competence of Australian Government hasn’t been seriously tested for 50 years, now we all know the answer to that question.

  26. Okay – so the government promised to release the modelling. Apart from a live presentation on Sky News where the sign language guys was standing in front of the slides I haven’t seen it. Is it up somewhere?

    The ABC screened Brendan Murphy showing a PowerPoint presentation of the modelling about an hour ago.
    Murphy said the full modelling would be uploaded this afternoon, but I’m not sure which website it will appear on.

  27. egg_

    Did I miss anything important?

    No.
    We’re usually in agreement anyway FWIW.
    I’ve also been told I’m not forthright enough at times – I only bother sticking my neck out if I think someone’s made a glaring oversight that could do harm.
    /Tech head

  28. A Quiet Australian

    This would be hilarious!

    MON 6 APR 2020 | 04:59
    BRING BACK FOLAU, ALL IS FORGIVEN
    Bring back Folau, all is forgiven

    Bob Dwyer, the World Cup-winning coach who helped turn the Wallabies into a major force, has launched a withering attack on Rugby Australia, insisting he “couldn’t care less” if the governing body declares bankruptcy.

    Dwyer also called for an end to players being exiled from Test selection when they take up lucrative contracts abroad.

    However, his most outrageous suggestion was to bring Israel Folau back into the Wallaby setup.

    Under what is known as Giteau’s Law, currently, a player can only be considered for Test selection if they have played 60 times for the Wallabies.

    However, Dwyer sees no merit in this artificial rule and wants Australia to follow South Africa’s lead and pick the best players regardless of where they are based.

    Dwyer, the man who led Australia to the 1991 Rugby World Cup, told RugbyPass: “You would have players at the top of the game being paid by someone else and you get them released at agreed times.

    “I reckon that is the best deal you could have and all we need to do is what South Africa has done and considered anyone for selection, and that would be perfect. Would South Africa have won the World Cup without their offshore players? Not a hope in Hell.

    “The Giteau Law is not a law and is just a decision that was made and it is changed all the time. There are heaps of guys who could then be considered.”

    Rugby Australia is predicting massive losses of around AU£60-million that could see them unable to survive and they are reportedly even struggling to pay the controversial award of millions of dollars to Wallaby fullback Israel Folau, who was sacked for his religious views.

    “Israel Folau is playing [Rugby] League – and what a fiasco that was for RA.

    “I would have a chat to Folau about coming back because we have players currently in the game who have committed various offences,” said Dwyer.

    Against a backdrop of increasing demands for Raelene Castle, the RA CEO, to stand down, Dwyer believes the game has been “horribly badly run” and that it will take something as dramatic as the total financial collapse of the Union to force what he believes is a much-needed reset for the sport in Australia.

    Castle has instigated cost-cutting at RA which has seen her own salary slashed by 50 percent, staff wages drop by 30 percent and 75 percent of staff stood down until July 1.

    Dwyer has tried for years to make RA understand the damaging disconnect that has been created between the clubs and the Union.

    He wants the current board to be ejected and people with a true understanding of how rugby is run in the country given the task of reviving the ailing governing body.

    The World Rugby Hall of Fame member, who also coached Leicester and Bristol before returning to Australia, recently stood down after eight years as President of the famous Randwick club where he helped guide the careers of Eddie Jones, Michael Cheika, David Campese and Simon Poidevin.

    Dwyer’s passion for the game remains as strong as ever and he added “I thought some years ago that we would have to hit rock bottom before change was forced upon the Rugby Australia administration – I mean the board who supposedly run the show.

    “In the last six or seven years they have really taken their eye off the ball and it has been horribly badly run and they have set about changing the make-up of the board from constituent bodies [the states] to a much smaller representation along with so-called independent board members. Now that has become a farce.

    “What I see happening is that RA will be bankrupt, the board will have to resign and we can go back to having a board with proper representation of the people who are the game. Before last week there were 150 employees at RA running the men’s and women’s national teams and the sevens. I haven’t got the foggiest idea of what all those people do.

    “What RA failed to understand is that they are Rugby Australia, not Rugby Wallabies, and if you don’t get that then what do you understand about the game? You are supposed to be running the game in the country and the Wallabies are a product of how well you run the game. The absolute standpoint is that the Wallabies are not Australian rugby – they are the pinnacle of Australian rugby.”

    Dave Rennie, who has been appointed to replace Cheika as Wallaby head coach, is reportedly ready to walk away if Castle is ousted from her role with former Test hooker Phil Kearns supposedly being lined-up as the new CEO.

    Dwyer dismissed the potential loss of Rennie, stating: “If Dave Rennie wants to go because Raelene is going then that’s OK. We will get someone else. He seems to be a very decent person but we don’t want someone to stay coaching the team because he likes the CEO. What has that got to do with anything?

    “I have tried for years to explain to the senior members of RA that the Wallabies or Super Rugby are not the sport of rugby in this country – that is the outcome of the sport of rugby.

    “Club rugby in the two strongholds of Brisbane and Sydney is currently going brilliantly. It’s phenomenal with record crowds at the end of season matches plus crowds getting bigger. One of the Brisbane clubs had an open day for the new season from Under 7 to seniors had 2,500 kids registered.

    “No matter what happens, rugby is Australia will never cease to exist.”

    By Chris Jones, RugbyPass

  29. Dr Faustus

    So, the fundamental assumption of the modelling is based on “early case growth in Wuhan, China”, Obviously not taking account of bulk imports via the Holiday Cruise Liner industry.

    Probably explains why we are all doomed.

  30. Arky

    The following is a list of things that should not exist after this pandemic is over:
    WHO.
    The UN.
    Sign language idiots.
    Cruise liners.
    Big Box stores full of fatties buying cheap slave labour made shit.
    Compliance with authority.

  31. egg_

    The strain probably isn’t important, the death toll seems to be those with a compromised immune system requiring a ventilator – and how that is used – as to survival rate.

  32. Yarpos

    Thank you Mr Krasinky for your meme. I will file it under false equivalence 101 training.

  33. egg_

    Sign language idiots.

    McGowan seemed to get a fit of the giggles with his and “the guy going for a run and getting a kebab“*.
    The hide!

  34. politichix

    Arky
    #3398260, posted on April 7, 2020 at 4:05 pm
    The following is a list of things that should not exist after this pandemic is over:
    WHO.
    The UN.
    Sign language idiots.
    Cruise liners.
    Big Box stores full of fatties buying cheap slave labour made shit.
    Compliance with authority.

    That’s going on the fridge…

  35. rickw

    WHO.
    The UN.
    Sign language idiots.
    Cruise liners.
    Big Box stores full of fatties buying cheap slave labour made shit.
    Compliance with authority.

    That particularly pisses me off, freaking flailing and waving in the corner when most deaf people will be lip reading or reading print. Won’t they think of the poor bloody blind people? How are they going to get the news quickly about what our idiot politicians are doing?

  36. Fisky

    Speaking of China. If it is not possible to cooperate with Beijing on something so simple as buying a product and agreeing on its specification, what hope is there for trade, investment, global warmening etc etc??? It’s absolutely ridiculous. The “engagement” lobby are a joke.

    Sense Hofstede
    @sehof
    ·
    Apr 3
    The Chinese response is a bit condescending towards the Netherlands: ‘We kindly remind users to carefully check the use and instructions of the products’. Curious if the products were actually sold as ‘non-medical’, or if they just make that up now. http://xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/02/c_138941803.htm
    Sense Hofstede
    @sehof
    ·
    3m
    The Netherlands denies the Chinese government’s claim that it ordered ‘non-medical masks’.

  37. vlad

    Sorry if this was said already on the old thread but Honor Blackman has died aged 94.

    Apparently when she turned 14 or whatever her father offered a choice of birthday presents: a bicycle or elocution lessons. She chose the lessons.

    Good choice!

    May she rest in peace.

  38. Old School Conservative

    Self reflection from numbers:
    The gun wankers are emerging from the darkest and most smelly corners of the swamp.
    and
    I carried an SLR on operations Finschaffen and Cung Chung

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    Obviously not taking account of bulk imports via the Holiday Cruise Liner industry.

    The Chief Medical Officer did talk about data still being volatile due to overseas arrivals.

  40. bespoke

    1735099
    #3397181, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:54 am
    Shy Ted
    Googled – contacted – Shy Ted is serving 10 years for child sex crimes.
    He is allowed visitors over the age of 16.

    Just remember this next time this peace of garbage threatens to sue.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I carried an SLR on operations Finschaffen and Cung Chung

    Locked and loaded?

  42. Boambee John

    Finschaffen [sic]

    You need to “f” off. Only one in that name.

  43. Old School Conservative

    Arky
    #3398219, posted on April 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm
    Come the revolution, those sign language fuckers should be first up against the wall.

    Except for the ones who provide great entertainment.
    WA Premier had to try 3 times to say “If you get a kebab while you are out running…” only to collapse in shrieks of laughter each time.
    Mainly because the signer was shoving his fist into his mouth every time the word kebab was uttered.
    Funnier than Benny Hill.

  44. Zatara

    U.K. Purchased Millions of Unreliable Coronavirus Tests from China

    The United Kingdom on Monday revealed that all 17.5 million Coronavirus antibody test kits the country ordered from China are unreliable when used outside “severely ill” populations.

    “We see many false negatives… and we also see false positives. This is not a good result or test suppliers or for us.”

  45. politichix

    Doherty Institute….

    We acknowledge the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation as the traditional custodians of the land where our Institute stands.

    We are committed to collaboration with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities to reduce the unacceptable burden of infectious disease. We are committed to training the next generation of exceptional Indigenous leaders in infection and immunity.

    The communities would really rather they didn’t.

  46. Zatara

    Spain was also forced to scrap a shipment of test kits from China after finding that the tests accurately detected coronavirus cases only 30 percent of the time.

    Somehow I don’t think ‘operator error’ is the issue here.

  47. Sinclair Davidson

    Dr Faustus – thanks for that.

    Not clear how that is any improvement on the UCL modelling from last month.

  48. Its Remarkable

    Arky: Plus 1,000
    Esp re the sign language person.

    Never seen such weird expressions and hand waving – seem to have no relationship to what is actually being said. Totally distracting.

  49. Dr Faustus

    The Chief Medical Officer did talk about data still being volatile due to overseas arrivals.

    Indeed.
    The modelling however appears to be based on transmission from Case 0, with no imports.

    I say ‘appears’ not to be sinister, but because there is obviously a bunch of calculations and supporting documents not available.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    This is an amazing year.

    It’s only 4 weeks since we were all accused of being racists for not going to Chinese restaurants!

    Now we are being fined $1650 for playing backyard cricket

  51. Diogenes

    As for the F1, you gotta admit, a very cool gangster-looking-type SMG and great fun to blat.
    Did a sneaker range with a F1 once.
    Man, I’d pay big dollars to do that again.

    yep.
    Memories….
    On my Subject 2 for corporal I was given one when it was my turn to take the patrol, I had been carrying the gun for the previous 10 days. I was looking for a bit of hootchie cord because I thought it might float away.

    On the FA2 before commissioning, watching the A company clerk set on her a**e at the range shoot we had to conduct after firing a short burst..

    Being handed an F1 on my first AFX as an officer, turned it over and the mag fell out, the armourer tried to give it to my Company Cdr (ex Forward Scout Vietnam, who let his displeasure be known, he was shooting at a VC with his F1 and the rounds were bouncing off).

  52. egg_

    McGowan’s Kebab Moment

    Sandgropers can’t walk and chew gum at the same time?

  53. Exit Stage Right

    Lizzie @3.21pm.
    Got a larf out of that list Lizzie.
    Not sure if you meant the list to be added to, but thought up several more.
    Tartar: Bye Bye
    Vulva: Swedish Motor Vehicle
    X-Rays: Night time.
    Nice diversion from the Satan Bug and GP.

  54. notafan

    It’s hard to keep up with the flip flops IT

  55. egg_

    Vulva: Swedish Motor Vehicle

    Iced Vulva: High End Sexworker

  56. Dr Faustus

    Not clear how that is any improvement on the UCL modelling from last month.

    No.
    It appears to be a another single static case model.

    Unless there is something undisclosed in the draft report, it’s not what you would use to test strategy.
    So I expect our various strategies are possibly untested.

  57. Word in the Alimak is we’re done end of this week.
    My man, JSetka and the other heavy hitters were onsite again with WorkSafe officials, possible deep state puppet/State politician in the mix as well?*unverified*
    The word has been passed out to the LendLease office jockeys in the puffer jackets apparently?
    Something is up.
    Tighten the noose?
    Defiance – ANZAC DAY 2020

  58. This is an amazing year.

    It’s only just begun, too
    😎
    #MadMax
    #NewStraya

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “bespoke
    #3398286, posted on April 7, 2020 at 4:19 pm
    1735099
    #3397181, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:54 am
    Shy Ted
    Googled – contacted – Shy Ted is serving 10 years for child sex crimes.
    He is allowed visitors over the age of 16.

    Just remember this next time this peace of garbage threatens to sue.”

    Yep….others have been smited for less offences.

  60. JC

    What a day. The Dow was up ~1700 points overnight and Pell was found innocent. All we need now, is to find out the anti-malarial works and everyone can head back to work as early as next week.

  61. I just had to go up to John while his posse were waiting to go up from B2 and mention that the worst part of the China virus was that the Tigers premiership window closes this year!
    He liked
    It’s Happening!

  62. egg_

    The word has been passed out to the LendLease office jockeys in the puffer jackets apparently?

    Those “working from home” p1ssed at highly visible hi viz mining & construction workers on-the-job?

  63. Infidel Tiger

    7 new cases in WA.

    7.

  64. egg_

    serving 10 years for child sex crimes.
    He is allowed visitors over the age of 16.

    TMI NumbNutz?
    A friend or associate, perhaps?

  65. Something like that, egg, yes.
    We’ll see.
    My fake pandemic angle is getting plenty of play. Everyone’s talking about it, natch.
    Meeting dudes that independently bring up the fishiness.
    A month ago everyone was whinging that the one month Easter holiday wasn’t being called quick enough, I need a fkn holiday, man! Haha
    Now a bit of a chill wind has entered the consciousness.
    They don’t like the sound of three months on half pay.

  66. harrys on the boat

    How many vermin from cruise ships, IT?

  67. Infidel Tiger

    2 more deaths

    Both imported!

  68. Kneel

    “…for the medically uninformed…”

    Thinks Lizzy, love it.

    Here’s one back at ya:
    Do you know why they changed the name from “Nuclear Magnetic Resonance” to “Magnetic Resonance Imaging”?
    Patient: “Yeah, I’m here for one o’ them En Em Are thingies…”
    Undoubedly followed later by “Pretty clever these Doctor guys – they tested me for brain cancer by sticking a pipe up me arse. Don’t ask me how that works…”

  69. And yeah, John would be 6’2, built like a brick shithouse.
    Good head of hair.
    Ford guy.
    Tigers guy.
    I could beat the xunt in an arm wrestle but

  70. cohenite

    Old School Conservative
    #3398294, posted on April 7, 2020 at 4:23 pm
    Arky
    #3398219, posted on April 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm
    Come the revolution, those sign language fuckers should be first up against the wall.
    Except for the ones who provide great entertainment.
    WA Premier had to try 3 times to say “If you get a kebab while you are out running…” only to collapse in shrieks of laughter each time.
    Mainly because the signer was shoving his fist into his mouth every time the word kebab was uttered.
    Funnier than Benny Hill.

    So signing for eating a kebab is the same as for fellatio. No wonder the poor guy was arrested.

  71. Top Ender

    Justice at Last: George Pell Cleared over at Quadrant.

  72. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3398398, posted on April 7, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    7 new cases in WA.

    7.

    Artie
    7/15 =.47.

    Stop understating the problem. That’s 47% of the population there.

  73. caveman

    How it works. Today we look at the National Cabinet

  74. This fake pandemic plays beautifully into CC Doomsday after we’ve’flattened the curve’.
    MadMax has to happen or we’re East Germany.
    Straya!
    Fight, you bastards!

  75. Team “it’s just a flu, bro!”

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    U.K. Purchased Millions of Unreliable Coronavirus Tests from China

    par for the course with almost all chinese junk

  77. egg_

    Wuhan study shows lying face down improves breathing in severe COVID-19

    In a new study of patients with severe COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) hospitalized on ventilators, researchers found that lying face down was better for the lungs. The research letter was published online in the American Thoracic Society’s American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine.

  78. cohenite

    A guy in Newcastle today was fined a $1000 for taking his bicycle to the bicycle shop which was legally open for business. He had the bike in his car and was by himself. He said he was going to contest the fine.

  79. Roger

    U.K. Purchased Millions of Unreliable Coronavirus Tests from China

    They’ve also purchased a 5G network from Huawei.

  80. egg_

    Jogging is a Brad Hazzard!

  81. NoFixedAddress

    Tell me jellybean from the jungle.

    Whereabouts in Vietnam did the Cubans make contact with you?

    And did you catch up with your Vietnam era mates when you went to Cuba?

    About as good as you quoting a fake news site like ABC.

    Moldly apologized Monday evening for his remarks against Crozier, which were laced with profanity, saying in a statement “Let me be clear, I do not think Captain Brett Crozier is naive nor stupid. I think, and always believed him to be the opposite.”

    “Captain Crozier is smart and passionate,” Modly’s statement continued. “I believe, precisely because he is not naive and stupid, that he sent his alarming email with the intention of getting it into the public domain in an effort to draw public attention to the situation on his ship.”

    And Crozier will still be lucky if he’s not face severe disciplinary measures.

    Former Interior Secretary and retired Navy SEAL Commander Ryan Zinke

    Zinke said it is “black and white” that Crozier violated the chain of command.

    “To me, it’s black and white. He violated the chain of command. And his state room is a few doors down away from the admiral’s,” he said, referring to Crozier’s boss Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, the carrier strike group commander.

    “In the military, there’s a chain of command and it means something,” said Zinke, who has commanded special operations forces during war on multiple tours. “The military is an organization that depends on orders being issued by competent authorities and execution of the orders.”

    “When a person joins the military, you give an oath of office to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and obey the orders of the officers appointed above you. That’s a fundamental part of the military,” he added. “I don’t know whether that Captain made an honest mistake or had other intent behind it, but he was wrong in going outside the chain of command on an issue.”

    Crozier also exposed the vulnerability of military capability where utmost secrecy is the rule, according to Zinke.

    He said, “Obviously a carrier is a man-of-war. … From a Navy perspective and a national defense perspective a carrier battle group is a cornerstone of our defense, of our forward presence and power. If that forward presence and power is diminished by an article, is diminished by a capability, either perceived or not, it has strategic implications. In the case of the captain, the comment on an unsecured line on a virus aboard the ship, and to promulgate that on open channels, that’s where the problem lies.

    “If our enemies know that … that’s a big signal that the United States … it means that that carrier battle group is diminished in its capability. That is not an unclassified letter-to-the-editor. There are war plans, there are top secret missions that carrier is carried out to do, and to advertise a diminished capability in a letter to the editor is blatantly wrong, he said.

    “It goes back to World War II. Loose lips sink ships. That’s why you have a chain of command and that’s why the Navy is so careful about internet, about crew members communicating unchecked, about their opinions to the press, to communicating classified information,” he continued.

    Zinke said he stands by Modly’s decision, and dismissed criticism from Biden and political pundits.

    “I’ll stand by his decision. The political pundits they’re grasping as it looks to me like Joe Biden is grasping as well just to try to stay relevant, and any shot they can somehow manipulate to hurt this administration,” he said.

    “We’ve seen it from day one … you see it everyday. They don’t want to report the news, they want to report anything that they see as unflattering to the president, even if the president is not involved, it doesn’t matter,” he said.

    “It infuriates the Democrats that they didn’t get him on Russia collusion, they tried impeachment over Ukraine, and now they’re trying to get him on a Chinese virus,” he said.

  82. Bruce of Newcastle

    U.K. Purchased Millions of Unreliable Coronavirus Tests from China

    Then there’s this story. Italy donated a bunch of medical stuff to China…then China sold the same stuff back to Italy.

    China forces Italy to buy same coronavirus supplies it had donated to Beijing a few weeks ago (6 Apr)

    China’s efforts to rebrand itself as a global leader focused on humanitarian relief amid the coronavirus outbreak has hit a major snag and perhaps revealed Beijing’s true intentions behind their public relations blitz.

    After telling the world that it would donate masks, face guards and testing equipment to Italy, China quietly backtracked and sold the Mediterranean country desperately-needed medical equipment, according to a report.

    What’s worse is that the personal protective equipment (PPE) China forced Italy to buy was actually the same PPE Italy donated to China before coronavirus rushed its own shores and killed nearly 16,000 people.

    The contempt China holds towards other countries is getting more and more blatant.

  83. Top Ender

    Commander Zinke is right.

    If you don’t like how something is being done in your unit, squadron, ship, or whatever, you have a go at making it change for the better.

    If the boss won’t change then live with it.

    That’s the way military forces work. It’s not the same as the civilian world for good reasons: unit security; cohesion, morale, and more.

    It does produce disasters now and again: Charge of the Light Brigade; collision at sea; blue on blue etc.

    But a different system has not been devised that would work in extreme circumstances, IIRR.

  84. Huck

    Gunner:

    And yeah, John would be 6’2, built like a brick shithouse.
    Good head of hair.
    Ford guy.

    I may have had something to do with sourcing cars for John in a previous life.
    Some very interesting things going on at that time.
    To his credit, he didn’t think it would be a good look for him to be getting around in a brand new car, so I sourced a nice low k G6E Turbo for him. Black, natch.

  85. JC

    This is US$60 bill the Fed will never see again.

    The_Real_Fly
    @The_Real_Fly
    ·
    18m
    NY FED TO PROVIDE $60b REPO TO BANK INDONESIA

  86. JC

    Lordie, the heights of TDS and loser mentality (Scott Adams Book) haven’t reached the top yet, but this one is right up there.

    Buck Sexton
    @BuckSexton
    ·
    3h
    Some libs really are going with the “Trump has a financial incentive in hydroxychloroquine advocacy” line-

    which is almost impressive in its combination of lunacy, tone deafness, and stupidity

  87. cohenite

    The contempt China holds towards other countries is getting more and more blatant.

    Dr Chang opined on Tucker that the chunk’s debt holdings should be denied by Western nations. He said the chunks would retaliate by trying to undermine the dollar but thought if the US could persuade other currencies to repel the chunks that would fail.

    Given the huge ugly face the chunks have to lose one wonders how much push-back they can sustain before lashing out militarily.

  88. A guy in Newcastle today was fined a $1000 for taking his bicycle to the bicycle shop which was legally open for business. He had the bike in his car and was by himself. He said he was going to contest the fine.

    If you get fined then just hold off paying it for 12 months.
    By this time next year $1000 will be worth the same as a cup of coffee.
    Welcome to Zimbabstralia.

  89. Infidel Tiger

    The_Real_Fly
    @The_Real_Fly
    ·
    18m
    NY FED TO PROVIDE $60b REPO TO BANK INDONESIA

    It’s diplomacy, not financial.

    If the US gets the Indos on side it’s another massive kick in the teeth for the ChiComs.

    Great to see, as under Barry Obama the Pacific and Asia was handed to China on a platter.

    You can expect them to prop up a few other strategic partners too.

  90. rickw

    Given the huge ugly face the chunks have to lose one wonders how much push-back they can sustain before lashing out militarily.

    Chunk hawks will be saying that this is their one and only chance. 5 years ago the chunk hawks were saying pretty crazy shit wrt to Hong Kong and Taiwan, can’t imagine what they’re saying now.

    The chunk hawks have been saying bat shit crazy stuff for ages, of course the western media gave them a free pass, Asian excitability or something…

  91. feelthebern

    This is US$60 bill the Fed will never see again.

    The_Real_Fly
    @The_Real_Fly
    ·
    18m
    NY FED TO PROVIDE $60b REPO TO BANK INDONESIA

    Indo have to lodge paper with the Fed to get the dosh.
    I imagine it’s some turd paper.

  92. rickw

    If you get fined then just hold off paying it for 12 months.
    By this time next year $1000 will be worth the same as a cup of coffee.
    Welcome to Zimbabstralia.

    Why wouldn’t you let it go to court and ask them which section law the charges were being laid under?

  93. Given the huge ugly face the chunks have to lose one wonders how much push-back they can sustain before lashing out militarily.

    Not long to wait now.
    We will find out soon.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yep….others have been smited for less offences.

    Surely an apology is due to Shy Ted for this sort of falsely claimed veracity?

    It cannot be left to stand as a statement of reality, which is what it appears as at present.

    Numbers? You claim to have checked with Google. So, your link? Or your apology.

  95. feelthebern

    What a lot of banks globally are doing is lodging paper with the Fed that is currently rated as part of the Feds multi trillion repo programs.
    The Fed is only taking rated paper.
    A lot of this paper will no doubt be downgraded to junk over the next 12 months.
    This will leave the Fed with a lot of junk debt.
    Then this will force the Fed into a couple courses of actions.
    First, demand replacement rated paper (that comes with one lot of problems).
    Or, more likely, the Fed will hold rated paper that became junk until the term of the repo runs it’s course.
    Lastly, the option the Fed has is to take unrated paper as part of its repo facilities, which would cause the S&P500 to rally 20% in session as the global liquidity squeeze would be over & the next bull market would be beginning.

  96. Infidel Tiger

    Given the huge ugly face the chunks have to lose one wonders how much push-back they can sustain before lashing out militarily.

    They would be absolutely obliterated.

  97. Peter the old fossil

    Why wouldn’t you let it go to court and ask them which section law the charges were being laid under?

    +100

    Plus a courtroom full of family and friends to cheer when you say it.

  98. Roger

    Why wouldn’t you let it go to court and ask them which section law the charges were being laid under?

    The magistrate would simply point to the public health order.

    It needs to go to a higher court, which the average punter can’t afford.

  99. Dr Faustus

    They’ve also purchased a 5G network from Huawei.

    That will be quite reliable; at least as far as reliably reporting GCHQ traffic back to the PLA.
    And silently waiting for the ‘die’ command from Beijing.

  100. Infidel Tiger

    Austria and Denmark planning to reopen for business.

    Good stuff.

  101. Top Ender

    On this day…7 April 1945, the 18-inch gun Japanese battleship Yamato was sunk by Allied forces on her last suicidal mission. There was little use for Yamato in the dying days of the Imperial Japanese Navy: the Home Islands were being steadily hemmed in by submarines and aircraft carrier battle groups. Yet she was sent on a suicide mission., and sunk with the loss of more 3,000 men.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is US$60 bill the Fed will never see again.

    The IMF is going to be hurting:

    Argentina Defaults For Record Ninth Time (6 Apr)

    In the annals of sovereign debt there is no country that has defaulted more times on its debt, than the country formerly known as the pearl of South America – Argentina – which had defaulted exactly 8 times in just under 200 years. As of Monday, make that nine.

    And what do socialist Argiesdo when they economically faceplant? Why they roll out the old stuffed squirrel!

    Falklands outrage: Argentina’s menacing threat to UK exposed – ‘Islands WILL be ours!’ (5 Apr)

    You elect socialists you get socialist economics. And posturing. The Argies need to be pariahs for the next century so they learn to behave.

  103. Peter the old fossil

    It needs to go to a higher court, which the average punter can’t afford.

    It only needs a few people to stop cowering behind their safe “social distance” for this nonsense to come unstuck. Yesterday we had the news that a girl was charged for being in the “wrong place” While oartaking in a perfectly legitimate driving lesson. The story ended with father saying he would challenge it in court.

    This morning we learn that the charges have been dropped. The lesson is simple: RESIST.

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘serving 10 years for child sex crimes.
    He is allowed visitors over the age of 16.’

    Geez, the pro bono advocate’s suddenly gone a bit shushy.

    You’d think he had a blistering closing address ready, a la Walker SC.

    I reckon management’s inbox would be getting punished right about now. ‘Please please please delete that, I’ll give you a copy of my book’ and so on.

    Naturally, that sort of threat’s not going to help at all.

  105. bicycle shop which was legally open for business

    oldStraya
    Lol, we’ve totalled the cultural Ferrari.
    At least some of us will get out of the flaming wreckage and push on through MadMax.

  106. Knuckle Dragger

    That bicycle bloke in Newcastle or wherever had better be screaming long, and loud.

    And there’ll be a largely receptive audience, too.

  107. egg_

    Teh Dumb:
    Leb Mu zzo lawyer says he was stopped by plod enroute to the studios – whilst entering his car on the street.
    Grabbing a coffee enroute, I’ll bet, not at your home.
    Hope he’s not a criminal lawyer.

  108. Kev

    The gun wankers are emerging from the darkest and most smelly corners of the swamp.
    Why do you have to call someone who has a legitimate interest in rifles a wanker? I think it says more about you than those with a legitimate interest.

  109. low k G6E Turbo for him. Black, natch.

    Good work, Hutchie
    I think that’s what he’s still rolling?
    I thought I read XR8 on the side, but maybe no?

  110. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On this day…7 April 1945, the 18-inch gun Japanese battleship Yamato was sunk by Allied forces on her last suicidal mission

    Wasn’t there a third vessel in that class – converted into an aircraft carrier, torpedoed and sunk by a U.S.N. submarine?

  111. mh

    Infidel Tiger
    #3398554, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:27 pm
    Austria and Denmark planning to reopen for business.

    Good stuff.

    Denmark will still need to protect itself from the Swedes.

  112. Infidel Tiger

    Denmark will still need to protect itself from the Swedes.

    Sweden chose what is looking like the correct path.

  113. cohenite

    Ha, and you bastards thought it was all about the chunk virus and Pell; the GBR is apparently dead, again:

    Great Barrier Reef’s ‘third mass bleaching in five years’
    Craig Johnstone The Australian April 7, 2020
    A coral studies expert has announced the Great Barrier Reef is undergoing its third coral bleaching event in five years, with the latest episode being more severe and widespread than the previous two in 2016 and 2017. Director of the ARC Centre for Excellence in Coral Reef Studies at James Cook University Professor Terry Hughes said such bleaching occurred when coral suffered heat stress due to spikes in sea temperatures caused by unusually hot summers.
    He said the bleaching that was occurring in 2020 had affected all three regions of the Great Barrier Reef, including large parts of the southern sector.
    It meant that only reefs offshore, in the far north or in remote parts of the south had escaped severe bleaching in the five events since 1998.
    “We surveyed 1,036 reefs from the air during the last two weeks in March, to measure the extent and severity of coral bleaching throughout the Barrier Reef region,” he said Professor Terry Hughes, Director of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies at James Cook University.
    Coral bleaching at regional scales is caused by thermal stress due to spikes in sea temperatures
    This year, February had the highest monthly temperatures ever recorded on the Great Barrier Reef since the Bureau of Meteorology’s sea surface temperature records began in 1900.
    Another member of the Coral Centre of Excellence, Professor Morgan Pratchett, said that while bleaching as not “necessarily fatal”, with some affected coral able to regain its colour within weeks, severed bleaching did lead to corals dying.
    “In 2016, more than half of the shallow-water corals died on the northern region of the Great Barrier Reef,” he said.
    The ARC team will assess the ongoing health of the corals affected by this year’s bleaching event.

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    Given the huge ugly face the chunks have to lose one wonders how much push-back they can sustain before lashing out militarily.

    If you can’t beat up the bank manager, kick the cat instead.

    China Increases Aggression In The South China Sea, Sinks Vietnamese Boat (4 Apr)

  115. Graham

    I read somewhere (forget where) that China had about $US 2 trillion in US Treasury bonds. Is there any practical reason why the Donald couldn’t simply cancel the lot and call it reparations for China’s viral attack on the USA?

    What would be the downside of that – apart from China seizing all US investment assets in that country?

    Who would be the overall loser in that scenario?

  116. mh

    A guy in Newcastle today was fined a $1000 for taking his bicycle to the bicycle shop which was legally open for business. He had the bike in his car and was by himself. He said he was going to contest the fine.

    So who is allowed to visit the bicycle shop, and under what circumstances?

    Glady, please explain.

  117. Huck

    I doubt it Gunner, I’m talking early 2013.

  118. Bruce of Newcastle

    Great Barrier Reef’s ‘third mass bleaching in five years’

    Well, duh!
    Three el Ninos in five years, what do they expect?
    These people make rocks look competent.

  119. Roger

    This morning we learn that the charges have been dropped.

    I hadn’t heard that, Peter.

    But the fact remains that absent a decision from a higher court most recipients of these fines will not be let off because i) they will not attract the publicity, & ii) magistrates are not inclined to rock the boat.

    They should not pay and wait to see what develops.

  120. Rockdoctor

    Wow what a time to be living. CMO’s virtually ruling by decree with orders that are so vague even cops don’t know where the line is and a grave injustice is righted by the High Court today. What other freedoms we given away to these clowns in Parliament & their QANGO’s that we don’t know of.

    From the old thread on Coal exports. Summarised from a few sources into 1 paragraph at 2018 levels, as a whole Japan & Korea import about two thirds our coal, vastly more coking coal (Metallurgical steel making coal) than Thermal. China imports a total of about a quarter of our total export however about half the thermal coal (Power generation type) sent off shore. India is a growing customer but still below 10% and takes both types of coal. Interestingly Taiwan is an increasing in importance as a customer as well but in some stats doesn’t appear, hmmm.

  121. Zatara

    Wasn’t there a third vessel in that class – converted into an aircraft carrier, torpedoed and sunk by a U.S.N. submarine?

    Yes, the Shinano.

  122. egg_

    Teh Dumb:
    Rick Morton: “Get Pe ll” didn’t do anything to help victims of institutional child abuse, agreeing with Pe ll’s statement.

    Hear! Hear!

  123. cohenite

    Who would be the overall loser in that scenario?

    Soros, Bloomberg, Biden, Bezos, Gates etc.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Whooo Hoooo. Freedom is in the air.

    Tomorrow at 8am we are free from quarantine and we can go for a WALK!

    Happily, we are both well, and cautiously saying we are in luck with that.

    Now we just have to avoid this virus here in Australia. Where it’s either been present for a while in the community and there is herd immunity, given the low rate of infections in world terms, or we just don’t have many who have been infected so it’s unlikely to strike at us once outside the door. Take your choice.

    Placebo G & T time anyway. Heading for the Red Line on the Home Isolation Route Map done in the style of the London Underground. Spent some time today at the station known as Computer contemplating an indicator board called Zoom. Considering where to go with that. Then choofed off to the station called Bath for a touch of the seaside, and did a trip to the country at the edge of the Isolation Underground, coming above ground into open territory at Back Terrace, where the views were active (some naughty sailors on yachts on the harbour) and the air was fresh off the suicide route at The Gap; access to that route closed of course to Isolates who may be in difficulties. Hotlines to the Department of Health are available for us though for any mental health support needs we may have. We received a kindly call from them checking on our compliance as well as welfare and telling us of their services when we stopped briefly at Mobile Phone yesterday. They asked for feedback, and I told them Home Isolation with its extensive Route Map was far more bearable than being locked-down on a Hotel Cruise-on-Land, which would have been our fate had we arrived home a day later. Get some red tags and let the people go, I advised. They said they would tell their bosses about that as it was a good idea. Duh. Not one they had thought of though.

  125. mh

    Sweden chose what is looking like the correct path.

    I’m keeping a close eye on them. Their deaths per million pop is quite high.

  126. egg_

    What other freedoms we given away to these clowns in Parliament

    We’re served by Third Rate timeservers today.

  127. NoFixedAddress

    Top Ender
    #3398555, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    Last I looked the CCP Navy were ‘dragging’ around their stationary gun platforms in the South China Sea whilst courageously sinking Vietnamese fishing boats and they had one of their aircraft carriers strutting its stuff.

    As an aside the Indonesians and the Philippines seem to have taught the CCP a lesson for sinking their fishing boats by seeking closer ties with the CCP

    If you are in a position to do it I would be interested in your thoughts on the deck configuration and speculation on what it might be like to land on a CCP aircraft carrier.

    Cheers and thanks

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    as a whole Japan & Korea import about two thirds our coal, vastly more coking coal (Metallurgical steel making coal) than Thermal

    And more thermal seems likely.

    Japan Continues Their Leadership In Rejecting Junk Science (4 Apr)

    (Japan) has more than 90 coal plants and plans to operate 22 additional new plants. It relies on coal for more than a third of its power generation needs, resulting in an upward increase in carbon emissions.

    Needless to say the climate nazis are weeping into their almond milk about this.

  129. Sydney Boy

    Sweden chose what is looking like the correct path.

    Norway is definitely trending down, and has been doing so for over a week. Sweden might be trending down but too early to tell. Norway is a week ahead of Sweden in flattening the curve.

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope the High Court is as benign for Dr. Peter Ridd as it has been for the Cardinal.

    The stakes are different of course, but they are still important.

    He can offer some press statements meanwhile about the natural bleaching cycle of the reef.
    While his voice has some public attention.

  131. Knuckle Dragger

    SportsBet fans:

    Scomo wore a blue/grey tie today.

    Paid $4.00.

  132. Caveman

    How flat does this curve have to be, having listened to Greg Hunt on the Project, when asked about an end game he’s talking about finding these sleeper agent people with the CCP Virus, sounds like there is no end game and that they really do have NFI.
    Untold damage ,even the essential services will be shit canned as the supply chain just disingrates.

  133. Harlequin Decline

    Austria talking about reopening for business compared with Oz where the goat rodeo shows no sign of finishing.

    Austria-one third the population, 5X the deaths and double the number of cases.

    Per head of population they have 15X our deaths and 6X our cases.

    If they are talking about reopening why aren’t we?

  134. Mother Lode

    Glad Bag reckons social distancing is here until a vaccine arrives.

    Oh, good. We can get our shots after the SARS CoV ones.

    We have a vaccine for that by now, surely.

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yes, the Shinano.

    Thank you, Zatara.

  136. Steve trickler

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3398602, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:42 pm
    Whooo Hoooo. Freedom is in the air.

    Play this during your walk.😉



  137. JC

    I read somewhere (forget where) that China had about $US 2 trillion in US Treasury bonds. Is there any practical reason why the Donald couldn’t simply cancel the lot and call it reparations for China’s viral attack on the USA?

    What would be the downside of that – apart from China seizing all US investment assets in that country?

    Who would be the overall loser in that scenario?

    Yes, the US would likely lose its reserve status as then every country would be trying to dump their Dollar reserves. The cost would be more than the lousy couple of trill I suspect.

  138. Mother Lode

    Sipping my champers dedicated to the vindication and freedom of the good Cardinal.

    Might get another one tomorrow to celebrate the embarrassment of the MSM of prickeratti. Don’t want to taint this champers by connecting it with the humiliation of the targets of tomorrow.

    They should have not be allowed any connection with Pell.

    He is free not because of the failure of their calumnies, but because he is an innocent and good man, pure and simple. I don’t need their disgrace for that, and I don’t need to dignify them by even a passing reference to him.

    That is for a separate celebration.

  139. Roger

    If they are talking about reopening why aren’t we?

    Ask this dude.

    Mind you, he’s got just about everything about this thing wrong so far; that might be because he’s a nephrologist not an epidemiologist and therefore acting outside his scope of practice.

    One among the many goods that can come from this experience is to scrap the office of CMO.

  140. egg_

    sounds like there is no end game and that they really do have NFI.

    Meat puppets awaiting instructions from WHO/CMOs.

  141. Top Ender

    I would be interested in your thoughts on the deck configuration and speculation on what it might be like to land on a CCP aircraft carrier

    Extremely dangerous until they have the requisite skills packages in place.

    Those might be:

    – having aviators land on their aircraft
    – having the right arrestor systems to stop the aircraft
    – having the right crash system for whenever necessary
    – having the skills necessary to operate the two above
    – being able to recover damaged aircraft, or damaged pilots, or both

    Then working up to being able to do all of this in sea state 2, 3 and so on. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_sea_scale)

    This progresses up to night flying etc.

    Then you want to be assured of the right level of maintenance for the deck systems and so on.

    That’s without getting into the interesting aspects of flying off while bombed up and so on.

    Good luck with all that given paranoid types who won’t report disasters happening for fear of losing face; embarrassing those above etc etc.

    I reckon it will be a fair few years yet before the Chinese get those sort of skill-sets.

  142. JC

    Caveman

    My thinking is that we will wait for the US to move first with opening. Luckily the US has Orange Hitler as the prez who is dying to get the folks back to work.

  143. vlad

    Every night I go to bed thinking I’m coming down with … something …

    And every day I wake up fine.

  144. bespoke

    Kev
    #3398574, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:33 pm
    The gun wankers are emerging from the darkest and most smelly corners of the swamp.
    Why do you have to call someone who has a legitimate interest in rifles a wanker? I think it says more about you than those with a legitimate interest.

    Indeed.

  145. Bruce of Newcastle

    Glad Bag reckons social distancing is here until a vaccine arrives.

    This seems to be the mantra they’ve decided upon to justify screwing the plebs.

    I’ve seen no comment from Aussie pollies or the Aussie MSM about hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin. Which together appear to pretty much negate all the model horrors. I wonder whether this means Australian hospitals aren’t allowed to use this mix, because Orange Man Bad, or if the Chicoms and Indians won’t let us have any.

    India bans exports of possible coronavirus treatment hydroxychloroquine (25 Mar)

  146. rickw

    Yamato did of course make a comeback:

  147. egg_

    If they are talking about reopening why aren’t we?

    ScoMo’s cajones are in Glad’s bag.

  148. Mitch M.

    India bans exports of possible coronavirus treatment hydroxychloroquine (25 Mar)

    I just read ….

    Hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus, according to small trial

  149. rickw

    Those might be:

    I thought the also had problems with their aircraft, not strong enough for catapult launches nor arrester hook landings?

    Hard to believe that Australia used to operate aircraft carriers!

  150. bespoke

    I was told lock down will officially end in two weeks in South Africa .

  151. Roger

    Mind you, he’s got just about everything about this thing wrong so far; that might be because he’s a nephrologist not an epidemiologist and therefore acting outside his scope of practice.

    Comparable to asking commercial lawyers to adjudicate in an appeal in a criminal case.

    It should be no surprise when the result is deemed incompetent by the competent authority.

    Why do we tolerate this at high levels when we don’t at base levels?

    Would you be happy for a gastroenterologist to operate on your brain tumour?

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    I would be interested in your thoughts on the deck configuration and speculation on what it might be like to land on a CCP aircraft carrier

    Extremely dangerous until they have the requisite skills packages in place.

    Yes.

    Aircraft carrier Liaoning hosts fighter jet drills amid epidemic (24 Mar)

    By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/3/24 18:02:22

    The Liaoning, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy’s first aircraft carrier, recently set out for a voyage and hosted fighter jets carrying out takeoff and landing exercises, in an attempt to minimize the impact of the novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) outbreak on the training of more carrier-based fighter pilots, while experts said on Tuesday the carrier enjoyed success in epidemic control efforts.

    Under difficult sea conditions in the early spring in the Bohai Strait, multiple J-15 fighter jets took off from the flight deck of the Liaoning and successfully landed several hours later, indicating the success of the technique rehabilitation training for instructors at Naval Aviation University, the PLA Daily reported on Monday.

    They’re serious about matching US capability, at least in the western Pacific.

  153. rickw

    Australian Aircraft Carrier Trivia:

    At the end of Rosamond Rd near high point, if you look at the hillside just off to the left you will see a structure embedded in the side of the hill.

    This is the entry to ADI’s old underground ammunition testing range. At the end of that range at a 45’ angle is a piece of HMAS Sydney’s flight deck.

  154. Tel

    Meat puppets awaiting instructions from WHO/CMOs.

    Our overlords must be laughing so much the piss themselves.

    We are victims of our own success. What happened to the Ned Kelly spirit?

  155. Confused Old Misfit

    You don’t want to get your feet wet.

  156. Mother Lode

    My thinking is that we will wait for the US to move first with opening. Luckily the US has Orange Hitler as the prez who is dying to get the folks back to work.

    My thinking was much the same. Any number of bureaucrats and some mentally unhealthy officials will be getting their rocks off, but the only way this pans out well for politicians is to get people back to work, back into parks, back into the pubs, while still demonstrating they have not taken this too lightly – what happens in the US will be a benchmark.

    Our clowns need a way out. Trump (Orange Hitler still cracks me up) is their hope.

  157. Caveman

    Orange Hitler

    JC, would like to think so as much as he is a doer. This is not a sector of an economy that’s fallen foul by the way of derivative trading where you can pin point the problem. Here we have a whole economy affected by a death virus with hope that a vaccine will work. I think this virus is bigger than Trump. Plus our pollies are too stupid we always lag behind.
    This was an interest about Trump and the virus.

  158. NoFixedAddress

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3398668, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    Glad Bag reckons social distancing is here until a vaccine arrives.

    This seems to be the mantra they’ve decided upon to justify screwing the plebs.

    BoN

    There was a report I read a bit earlier, maybe Fox or Breitbart, that the Orange Man Bad had contacted his mate Modi and the Indians were going to supply him with some. Not sure how much.

    Surely Australia should have some stocks of hydroxychloroquine given our proximity to malarial effected countries.

    And I just looked it up and Clive’s on the job..lol

    A health department spokesman said the inclusion of the medicine in the national medical stockpile was based on not only its proven clinical uses, but on its potential clinical utility in the absence of a well-documented treatment.

    While “clinical trials are critical for ensuring the safety and effectiveness of potential treatments, before they are made available through the health system”, the spokesman said, the drug would be made available not only for clinical trials but “for use in hospitals for ill patients”.

    The government said under an emergency exemption to therapeutic goods registration requirements the drug would be sourced from overseas and imported, including intermediates and other raw materials so that local manufacturing could occur.

    The department confirmed that the former federal politician Clive Palmer, who has said he will produce 1m doses of the drug, has a prior written arrangement with the commonwealth and so his plan aligned with the emergency exemption.

    “It is anticipated that medicines containing hydroxychloroquine sulfate will be made available to the national medical stockpile from a number of pharmaceutical companies,” the spokesman said. “Some of these include generous donations funded by Mr Clive Palmer.”

    Novartis Pharmaceuticals Australia has also confirmed that it will provide doses. And the government is investing $1.5m to support guidance for clinicians to ensure they are given the best possible advice on managing Covid-19 patients.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/controversial-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-to-be-given-to-coronavirus-patients-in-australia

  159. Top Ender

    Under difficult sea conditions in the early spring in the Bohai Strait, multiple J-15 fighter jets took off from the flight deck of the Liaoning and successfully landed several hours later, indicating the success of the technique rehabilitation training for instructors at Naval Aviation University, the PLA Daily reported on Monday.

    Yeah sure.

    I’ll believe it when I see it done in front of other navies’ observers.

    That exposes the Chinese carrier people to the possibility of them giving cold shots to the occasional pilot, and then running him over with the carrier.

    Rather than doing it and then not mentioning it to anyone.

    Or having a few aircraft land on and smash into the island; go thundering over the side, or miss the carrier altogether.

    And also see how good their escort destroyers are at picking people up from ditching.

    And so on.

  160. Peter the old fossil

    A very special song for a very, very Special Lady.

  161. lotocoti

    NoFixedAddress
    #3398607, posted on April 7, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Some thoughts on ski jumps and CVOPs.

  162. mh

    A man has been fined $1000 for allegedly visiting a Sydney brothel in defiance of the state’s isolation laws.

    Officers were tipped off that the Day Street brothel in the CBD was still operating yesterday.

    They spoke to the male owner who was fined $5000 before one of his female staff and a male customer were each fined $1000 for being there.

  163. Sydney Boy

    I just read ….

    Hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus, according to small trial

    It’s in pre-proof. Has not yet been peer reviewed. Only 11 patients. To be found to be a worthwhile treatment it needs to be tested on hundreds of patients in dozens of different settings. It cannot be found to be eff Clive or ineffective until this is done.

  164. Nick

    A very special song for a very, very Special Lady.

    Is it your wife’s anniversary?

  165. mh

    Belgium just reported 403 new COVID-19 deaths.

  166. egg_

    what happens in the US will be a benchmark.

    Definitely.
    ScoMo won’t dare move before the US.

  167. JC

    Fisky

    Africa is not credible. Any excuse for free cashola. Don’ rely on anything those idiots say when it comes to money. They just want a free ride.

    As for pandemics.. those fuckers are also responsible for spreading bad shit around. The origins of HIV is possibly from eating monkeys (bushmeat). Ebola?

  168. Peter the old fossil

    Life moves on, Nick.
    Marilyn approves.

  169. The Beer Whisperer

    Far Out. I picked a bad week to give up glue sniffing!

    NFA, I used a gif of that as my personal photo at my last job. No one thought it unusual that i looked like Lloyd Bridges and was pulling a cloth through my head via my ears. I guess it wasn’t that unusual I the public service.

  170. The Beer Whisperer

    mh
    #3398727, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:35 pm
    Belgium just reported 403 new COVID-19 deaths.

    Were they all at the same wedding?

  171. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I’ve seen no comment from Aussie pollies or the Aussie MSM about hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin.

    they are waiting for WHO to approve its use

  172. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/1K3jD1WK7XM

    Bit of a pain in the arse (diversity alert! Unless you’re into it but hey).

    Some person called Rosanne Barr taking on Hollywood.

    Not that I give a fuck, but symptomatic of how these pricks cannibalise themselves and, in listening, how fucking stupid the consumer public are to feed any of these pricks.

    Not knowing who this sheila, I am disinterested in her story but fascinated by the herd psychology.

    Now in the transit lounge after some negotiations to not stay on board and be provided with a car to get back to camp rather than slingshotting back to base via Sydney and the encumbrances that come with that.

    Naturally it was necessary to make implications about future deployments, which I may or may not honour.

    The first wave over my head will wash away the past 3 months.

  173. mh

    Belgium 176 deaths/1 million pop.

    Australia is 2 deaths/1 million.

  174. Overburdened

    …who this sheila is…

    Autocorrect is another perpetual irritant

  175. Tel

    If Taiwan started their own health association, we should all campaign for our government to join that one instead, because of it’s proven track record of not being clueless.

  176. Overburdened

    Quick scan back

    Where are all the early experts about the corona virus now?

    It has been part of negotiations for me and I’m a fucking nobody, so it must be something

  177. Mitch M.

    Sydney Boy
    #3398721, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:32 pm
    I just read ….

    Hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus, according to small trial

    It’s in pre-proof. Has not yet been peer reviewed. Only 11 patients. To be found to be a worthwhile treatment it needs to be tested on hundreds of patients in dozens of different settings. It cannot be found to be eff Clive or ineffective until this is done.

    The paper has been accepted for publication. Pre-proof means exactly that: needs work before final publication as a document, not that it hasn’t been peer reviewed.

    No we don’t need such extensive testing. The effect size is what matters. If you read the report it turns out that the claims of efficacy are based on very few cases and those were mild cases. The studies that created the excitement are next to useless yet people just read the head line and think a cure is at hand.

    Although some of their results appeared to be encouraging, it should also be noted that most of their patients only had mild symptoms. Furthermore, 85% of the patients didn’t even have a fever—one of the major telltale symptoms of the virus, thus suggesting that these patients likely would have naturally cleared the virus without any intervention.

    At present we have no idea so everyone should stop pretending this is a possible treatment.

  178. Overburdened

    …needs to be said, transit lounge is a 4 day stay past the end of the contract and a self drive second leg due to the grounding of the service provider I would under normal circumstances have taken back to base.

    Hopefully my mechanic can have my truck on site for when I arrive and I can fuck off back to the beach.

  179. NoFixedAddress

    Thanks TE and lotocoti

    loco

    I loved the comment at the end of that article

    And that, mes amis, is the difference between having 44 strike fighters on a ship and 15-17.

    You can launch two CAPs instead of three, or leave some ordnance behind in favor of fuel to extend your on-station time, but it still ends up looking like a self-licking ice cream cone to me.

    Or maybe the Russians don’t do cyclic.

  180. NoFixedAddress

    sorry not loco, lotoco

  181. Peter the old fossil

    Good evening Overburdened.

    How long until you are back in the civilised world?
    I’m looking forward to having you around the place again soon.
    And I think I know somebody else who would like it too.

  182. Nelson_Kidd-Players

    Twelve hours, Lizzie…

  183. lotocoti

    NFA
    Lex’s archive is great.
    The over G tale is a corker.

  184. NoFixedAddress

    The Beer Whisperer
    #3398735, posted on April 7, 2020 at 7:38 pm

    Far Out. I picked a bad week to give up glue sniffing!

    NFA, I used a gif of that as my personal photo at my last job. No one thought it unusual that i looked like Lloyd Bridges and was pulling a cloth through my head via my ears. I guess it wasn’t that unusual I the public service.

    LOL

    Thanks TBW.

    I hoped Cats would get that reference.

    One of the ‘stupidist’ movies I’ve seen and I laughed all the way through it.

  185. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If you read the report it turns out that the claims of efficacy are based on very few cases and those were mild cases.

    mild cases generally come good anyway. I did see a report a while back that the first SARs vaccines had a habit of killing the virus and the patient.

  186. Tel

    Furthermore, 85% of the patients didn’t even have a fever—one of the major telltale symptoms of the virus, thus suggesting that these patients likely would have naturally cleared the virus without any intervention.

    That makes no sense.

    We are dealing with a stealth virus, and the fever is not at all a telltale symptom of the virus … fever only happens late in the infection after the body’s immune system finally detects that it’s been hit. The whole bloody problem is that no particular symptoms are “telltale” and the authorities can’t even give you a clear picture what to look out for.

  187. Northshore Redneck

    Mitch M,

    Did they add zinc to the treatment? This doctor in LA says HCQ is ineffective if not combined with zinc.
    success with hydroxychloroquine

    No surprise the article you linked sourced from theconversation, Orange man haters.

  188. Steve trickler

    Richard Burton. His voice kicks in and it is hard to ignore.



  189. mh

    Daily Tele

    FOLAU’S PATH TO WORLD CUP RESURRECTION
    Israel Folau is set to return to international sport in 2021 lining up for Tonga against the Kangaroos at the Rugby League World Cup.

  190. Fisky

    lol

    China has demanded an explanation from Brazil after the far-right government’s education minister linked the coronavirus pandemic to Beijing’s “plan for world domination”, in a tweet imitating a Chinese accent.

    In the latest incident to strain ties between the two nations, minister Abraham Weintraub insinuated China was behind the global health crisis.

    “Geopolitically, who will come out stronger from this global crisis?” he wrote on Twitter Saturday. “Who in Brazil is allied with this infallible plan for world domination?”

    In the original Portuguese, his tweet substituted the letter “r” with capital “L” – “BLazil” instead of “Brazil,” for example – in a style commonly used to mock a Chinese accent.

  191. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Perhaps Trump can announce a new embassy in Taiwan.

  192. Boambee John

    Hope he’s not a criminal lawyer.

    Tautology?

  193. JC

    We just can’t live without actors imparting their wisdom.

    Hollywood actor Woody Harrelson is suggesting that 5G technology may have potential negative effects on coronavirus victims.

  194. Boambee John

    Zulu

    Wasn’t there a third vessel in that class – converted into an aircraft carrier, torpedoed and sunk by a U.S.N. submarine?

    Shinano, leaving Tokyo Bay to go south for fitting out. The USN read relevant signals, had a sub waiting, torpedoed and sank her.

  195. Tel

    mild cases generally come good anyway.

    Generally they come good but it takes a long time, sometimes the mild case turns severe for no apparent reason. Heading it off early is a dang good idea if you have a drug that can do that.

  196. JC

    Close it down. Fire them all.

    @AlexBerenson
    The @UN
    reports the lockdowns are leading to a “horrifying surge” in domestic violence. Naturally the actual supporting data are pretty thin, but is anyone surprised? And it will only get worse week by week.

  197. rickw

    At present we have no idea so everyone should stop pretending this is a possible treatment.

    Based on the data I’ve seen from various studies we should be hitting the “go” button on hydroxychloroqine. By the time a conclusive study comes out, patients will be in 2 categories, dead or recovered and everyone will have forgotten what the hell covid-19 was.

  198. Mitch M.

    Northshore Redneck
    #3398791, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:06 pm
    Mitch M,

    Did they add zinc to the treatment? This doctor in LA says HCQ is ineffective if not combined with zinc.
    success with hydroxychloroquine

    No surprise the article you linked sourced from theconversation, Orange man haters.

    You could have bothered to go to the journal links and read them for yourself. Spare me the source fallacy arguments. The studies initially claiming efficacy were completely inadequate for people to start running around arguing it was a cure.

    So one doctor says not effective without zinc. Well that’s just dandy. Such a powerful argument.

    Give me a mechanistic explanation because antibiotics are useless against viruses and malaria is a multi-cellular parasite so the idea that that two together work had left me mystified.

    It may help but the present evidence, the lack of a mechanistic explanation, the recently released studies, don’t give me encouragement.

  199. JC

    He’s certainly has good instincts.

    President Donald Trump pressed a reporter on Monday about whether she was working for the Chinese government after she asked a question about medical supplies that Beijing has provided the United States.

    The reporter, who said she was with Phoenix TV, a Hong Kong-based outlet sympathetic to Beijing,

    Read on.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/trump-china-phoenix-tv-reporter-hong-kong/

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shinano, leaving Tokyo Bay to go south for fitting out. The USN read relevant signals, had a sub waiting, torpedoed and sank her.

    Thank you, Boambee John.

  201. Mitch M.

    Based on the data I’ve seen from various studies we should be hitting the “go” button on hydroxychloroqine.

    All the studies to date aren’t worth two knobs of goat shit.

  202. rickw

    Surely Australia should have some stocks of hydroxychloroquine given our proximity to malarial effected countries.

    Most chemists have Plaquenil (hydroxychloroqine) sitting on the shelf right now last time I checked.

  203. Peter the old fossil

    Hello, Lovely Lady.
    Had dinner?

  204. JC

    At present we have no idea so everyone should stop pretending this is a possible treatment.

    That’s a evidence based bullshit claim. As taleb suggests, taking this seriously can be very dangerous like it is now. It’s about risk management too.

  205. Knuckle Dragger

    Son and heir was on the phone. He’s doing Romeo and Juliet at school and wanted to know more about it, having both read the play and quote a bit of Romeo in times past.

    I said, in the context of Townsville where he lives, to imagine two massive extended family groups and hangers-on. One lives in North Ward, the Strand, the CBD and Mount Louisa and the other in Kelso, Rasmussen and Rupertswood. Both families are big on slinging pingers, and have had a turf punch on going for generations.

    Romeo’s the beta male yet heir to the empire on one side, and Juliet’s the hot daughter saved for a political alliance marriage later. Bit of cloak and dagger secret porking ensues, then Juliet plots with the friar to publicly fake her death after a barney with Dad who wants to hook her up with someone else. She sends a letter to Romeo saying not to worry, it’s all a joke. Elope afterwards, etc.

    Romeo doesn’t get the letter, yet fronts up. Sees she’s apparently dead (but not really), kills himself. She wakes up, realises he’s dead and kills herself for real. The End.

    Moral of the tragedy: Families will get in the road and fuck you over every time.

    ‘But soft! What light from yonder window breaks? ‘Tis the east, and Juliet is the Sun. The brightness of her cheek doth shame the stars….’ aaaaaaaaand so on.

  206. Helen Davidson (nmrn)

    At present we have no idea so everyone should stop pretending this is a possible treatment.

    It’s already approved for treatment for other things, so I assume that means it does minimal harm. In that case, what does it hurt to use it? Worst case scenario is that the patient is no better off.

  207. rickw

    All the studies to date aren’t worth two knobs of goat shit.

    If you were crook with it, no other treatments available, and there was $10.15 worth of hydroxychloroqine tablets (a full course) sitting on the bench, would you take them or not?

  208. cohenite

    No surprise the article you linked sourced from the conversation, Orange man haters.

    Hydroxy looks good;

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32205204

    There have been other trials apart from this one by professor Didier Raoult although he has done subsequent ones. I’d trust Raoult before the fucking conversation.

  209. egg_

    Hope he’s not a criminal lawyer.

    Tautology?

    Touché!

  210. Knuckle Dragger

    Also, second yet equal moral – beta males die for no reason.

  211. JC

    This is the moment The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem was closed due to Coronavirus.

    Last time this happened was in 1349, during The Black Death, a bubonic plague pandemic.

    What’s fascinating about this story is the guy with the keys.

    https://twitter.com/DavidVidecette/status/1246785553900724224

    The comments thread are very funny.

  212. Tel

    Give me a mechanistic explanation because antibiotics are useless against viruses and malaria is a multi-cellular parasite so the idea that that two together work had left me mystified.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/

    First search item that came up, there’s heaps of similar ones.

    Also take note that “Z-Pac” is not an antibiotic, although it gets used as if it was one. It shuts down RNA to protein transcription, which is debilitating for human cells, bacterial cells, and anything made out of RNA … scorched earth strategy. The plan is that human cells have established infrastructure and therefore survive longer under adverse conditions.

  213. Tel

    If you were crook with it, no other treatments available, and there was $10.15 worth of hydroxychloroqine tablets (a full course) sitting on the bench, would you take them or not?

    Only if I had Zinc.

  214. candy

    Generally they come good but it takes a long time, sometimes the mild case turns severe for no apparent reason. Heading it off early is a dang good idea if you have a drug that can do that.

    Because of that it makes you think it is manufactured. Seems innocuous and then wham – chaos. Like a targeted weapon. SARS would kill almost immediately and then it just could not spread. Quite different. But Corona is stealth.

    But it’s mostly the older folk so it’s hard to see why the Chinese would target the 75 to 90 year olds. Too weird.

  215. Peter the old fossil

    Thanks for the clip, Steve.
    Richard Burton doing “War of the Worlds” would have to be the outstanding album of my lifetime.

  216. Rockdoctor

    Surely Australia should have some stocks of hydroxychloroquine given our proximity to malarial effected countries.

    Last time I came back from an extended stay working in Asia was prescribed Primaquine to rid the body of any remaining parasites. Know someone who had another drug that was more expensive but can’t remember the name. From what I remember and this is a bit back now there were a variety of drugs available but just about all ended with quine anyway.

  217. Tekweni

    I have psoriatic arthritis and take methotrexate. Specialist put me on hydroxychlorquine as a substitute. The side effects were extremely unpleasant from sleep issues, headaches and bowel problems. All cleared up once I stopped taking it. However I’d happily take it again if was going to cure coronavirus. It wasn’t the first time I had taken it as I got malaria in PNG and it was prescribed then. However malaria is so unpleasant I doubt if you would even feel the side effects.

  218. rickw

    Mitch, mechanistic explanation starts at 1:40:

  219. rickw

    If you were crook with it, no other treatments available, and there was $10.15 worth of hydroxychloroqine tablets (a full course) sitting on the bench, would you take them or not?

    Only if I had Zinc.

    Completely agree!

  220. Overburdened

    In reference to the header of the thread, kudos for giving a perfect example of the relativism that plagues the minds of the masses.

    Long story short (and I think I may have tried to explain this before), in reference to a perceived crisis in the mind of a 20something expert, I offered Magellan as an example of paradigm shift and was immediately told that, ‘I don’t know what that is but I know what shoes (insert a name) wears in Sex In The City ( apparently a television program, that I haven’t seen), and I bet you don’t’.

    Poor old Magellan was relegated to an it, and I decided it was time to go surfing.

    Thank you Peter of apparently multiple personae. I hope you are well and your loins are girded for our ongoing jousts when I get back to camp.

    Rarely have I met a formidable opponent, and still have not at this point since the last time I did, however I admire your tenacity.

    Be well.

  221. cohenite

    If Boris carks it I’m advocating lighting up the chunks although I’m not advocating violence.

  222. Northshore Redneck

    So one doctor says not effective without zinc. Well that’s just dandy. Such a powerful argument.

    There are plenty of examples of US doctors reporting excellent results even without zinc, using the combination in this French study of 11 people.

    So while there’s still much being learned about what effective treatments look like, there’s enough coming out of the US validating the use of hydroxychloroquine that your approach urging caution against it seems strange.

    Where’s the harm being hopeful given what we’re hearing?

  223. Overburdened

    In the meantime, son is off to Kabul where no doubt the current issue at hand will be a consideration amongst others.

  224. Tel

    Candy, I was earlier thinking along those manufactured weapon lines, and if you ever play those video games where you need to destroy the world with a plague you might notice that putting all your “evil genius” research points into stealth capabilities for you bioweapon is always a winning strategy.

    However, as a believer in Darwinian Evolution I have to point out that stealth is also an excellent strategy for a naturally evolved virus.

    But it’s mostly the older folk so it’s hard to see why the Chinese would target the 75 to 90 year olds. Too weird.

    But a natural virus would benefit greatly from only killing off a small percentage of the herd while lurking for the long haul amongst the others. Numbers game and all that.

  225. Rex Mango

    Battle of Britain kicking off on ch95 folks. Get your hard hats on & man the ack ack.

  226. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Richard Burton doing “War of the Worlds” would have to be the outstanding album of my lifetime.

    Richard Burton reciting “Under Milkwood” and “Rhime of the Ancient Mariner” are pretty damnfine renditions of those works, as well.

  227. rickw

    So while there’s still much being learned about what effective treatments look like, there’s enough coming out of the US validating the use of hydroxychloroquine that your approach urging caution against it seems strange.

    Orange Man Bad!

  228. Peter the old fossil

    However I’d happily take it again if was going to cure coronavirus.

    And yet, on the other hand if you had “ordinary” flu,which is significantly more lethal in this country, you would probably just take a couple of Panadol and go back to bed.

    Australians truly are a strange people.

  229. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/-w0WPkB3XJ4

    Offered as a still active member of society rejoining with the thread after a time away

  230. Rex Mango

    ZK2A, agree Under Milwood by Burton is great. Haven’t heard him do the Ancient Mariner, will get around to it soon.

  231. rickw

    A lever action in the orchestra:

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