Are High Court Judges not experts?

Daniel Andrews and other members of the political elite are always crapping on about trusting the experts and taking expert advice and so on. Well here is Mr I-take-expert-advice himself:

There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court, so I won’t make any comments about that …

Now I’d have a bit more sympathy for Andrews if he had come out saying that he is the premier of a government whose police force and criminal justice system had just been completely humiliated and his government, not to mention taxpayers, were now on the hook for millions of dollars in compensation and he didn’t want to inflame the situation.

I’m surprised by this statement:

… we need to face up to the fact that there are people – some are in jail, some are free men – who moved predators around working class parishes for decades, and others who knew that it was going on, actually facilitated it, and whether they’re in jail or not, they’ll have to go to their maker knowing that they did those sorts of things.

So if he knows there are law-breakers who are currently “free men” why haven’t they been arrested and prosecuted? Andrews could get the police to take valuable time from harassing teenage girls to go arrest these people. We know they’re going to be at home.

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41 Responses to Are High Court Judges not experts?

  1. Atoms for Peace

    What the hell does “working class” parishes have to do with anything?

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    7-0 is pretty expertish.
    On the other hand there’re two VSC judges who should start new careers as house conveyancers.

  3. Thank goodness he saved Victorians from the L plater and lone fisherman menace.

  4. notafan

    Atoms

    My thought exactly.

    Labor, class war.

    Actually many were rural parishes.

    And there is the exaggerations which implies there were dozens of perpetrators, when in fact there were only a few ( who nevertheless left a wake of destruction)

  5. Boambee John

    Atoms

    Well he fell down on St Patrick’s cathedral (definitely not a working class parish), so all he has left is dated class warfare boilerplate.

  6. Leigh Lowe

    What the hell does “working class” parishes have to do with anything?

    Labor narrative.

  7. Crossie

    There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court, so I won’t make any comments about that …

    He’s perfectly comfortable being in contempt of most Catholics.

  8. The Left never apologises when they are wrong and will always keep attacking that which it hates. Just watch what happens down the track with the virus saga and renewable energy.

  9. feelthebern

    The Pell ruling from the High Court was the most black & white ruling in years.
    It’s good reading & should be mandatory for all Victorian Judges.

  10. Rex Mango

    Can someone please tell me, is Dan Andrews Catholic? His Wikipedia page says he is, but you would never believe that from what he does/says.

  11. stackja

    How many Victorian judges understand the HCA ruling?

  12. stackja

    Rex – DA not acting like a Catholic.

  13. Tintarella di Luna

    On the other hand there’re two VSC judges who should start new careers as house conveyancers.

    Well now that you mention it the Chief Justice Ann Ferguson (this is she) apparently is quite expertish in that area of law so that’s a plus

  14. Bar Beach Swimmer

    There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court, so I won’t make any comments about that …

    What Andrews is indicating he refutes the HC Decision. For that reason is that statement already a Contempt of Court statement?

  15. a happy little debunker

    I commonly heard that Pell’s incarceration was warranted by the belief that he knowingly moved homosexual pedo’s around parishes to avoid common scrutiny.

    To date, I have heard no evidence he did so knowingly.

    Daniel Andrews obviously believes the crime must be made to fit the punishment.

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court, so I won’t make any comments about that …

    oh dear why didn’t he just say – respect the High Court’s emphatic and unanimous 7-0 decision

  17. Bob in Castlemaine

    Clearly not all predators are equal to our Dan. In his eyes it seems guilt by association is an accepted legal principal when it comes to certain individuals dependent on whether they belonging an approved or unapproved group or tribe be it political, religious or cult.

  18. notafan

    Pell was never involved in moving pedo priests anywhere.

    Mulkearns.

  19. bollux

    Whilst Andrews is on this crusade about free criminals and everything he could perhaps reopen the case against Julia Gillard. I believe she is still walking around. She apparantly did a few things “knowingly”.

  20. Iampeter

    So if he knows there are law-breakers who are currently “free men” why haven’t they been arrested and prosecuted?

    Because it was successfully covered up for so long that many statutes of limitations have expired and even some of the accusers are now starting to pass away.
    Because the only way to make these cases is as “historic abuses” which is in itself incredibly problematic.
    Because apparently a lot of the moving them around and covering up type of activities, instead of reporting, is not illegal, or wasn’t at the time.
    Because instead of cleaning house they were allowed to setup things like the “Melbourne Response.”
    It’s impossible to make these cases now.

    In other words, they got away with it.

    Much as I don’t like Andrews, his statement here is spot on.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    I commonly heard that Pell’s incarceration was warranted by the belief that he knowingly moved homosexual pedo’s around parishes to avoid common scrutiny.

    To date, I have heard no evidence he did so knowingly.

    Daniel Andrews obviously believes the crime must be made to fit the punishment.

    Dan angry.
    Dan must get even.
    What is the bet he tries to introduce a law to “close an unitended loophole”.
    That is, a retrospective law covering those who “facilitated abuse”.
    That is, if Pell was ever at a meeting where postings of priests came up …

  22. mrwashout

    We know they’re going to be at home.

    Love it!

  23. Cynic of Ayr

    Consider:
    A 13 year old boy is subjected to two minutes of a humiliating experience of a sexual nature. He is, apparently, scarred for life, his life ruined, and untold thousands of dollars spent on a Legal System that will, apparently, correct his situation;
    A 13 year old boy, is involved in a car accident, caused by the stupidity of a drunken, phone calling driver. He is burnt, his spine destroyed, but his head is not damaged. He is, in fact, scarred for life, condemned to a wheel chair, never to know sexual activities at all, and someone on his behalf, spends thousands of dollars in the Legal System to get some financial justice. The driver is possibly given a few months in jail to think about it, then released and forgotten.
    Now, my question is, which one is the worse off?
    One is ruined for life, the other chose to be ruined for life.
    The stinking cesspool that is the ABC ignores the latter, and champions the former for ideological reasons.
    Remember, there are hundreds of boys and girls across the world in this situation, that no one reads or hears about.
    As far as memory goes, a skilled manipulator with an ulterior motive, can talk anyone into what happened 20 years ago.
    Which raises the question. Just who did the accuser talk to before he decided to pursue Pell?

  24. Bronson

    Look over there there’s a unicorn! Being Dan means never having to say your sorry! Yam if you have evidence to support your statement cough it up or STFU.

  25. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld Aus

    Dan from Victoriastan would never accept he could be wrong. A bit of a bad week for over zealous coppers, like the bloke harrasing the old timer who’s wife died previously in the case of the missing NSW boy William Tyrell.. He acted illegally and is now actually guilty himself of his own mistakes. Maybe a bit of investigation into the police in the Pell case as well. Oh and who is over wiping all the egg off their AlpBC faces after their appalling vendetta against Pell?

  26. John Brumble

    Oh look, Iamtroll believes that its perfectly reasonable to accuse, trial and incarcerate a person for something they didn’t do, because you think they did something else.

    This is just more clear evidence that it’s only here to play a leftist’s cartoon version of a Randian.

  27. candy

    working class parishes for decades,

    It does seem as if he is saying it’s okay if sexual predators go into middle or upper class parishes.

    Or that the sexual abuse of children from more well off families is not distressing, because they have some money to buffer them against something awful. Only distressing if it happens to working class kids, seems to be his point.

  28. Robbo

    Andrews in his weasel words statement on the High Court decision on Pell said to those claiming to have been sexually abused “we believe you”. Well good on you you bloody hypocrite. Why not show us that you are not an empty blowhard by telling the Victoria Police to fully investigate the allegations against Bill Shorten of rape committed some years ago at a Labor Party conference. It seems that your police force was too busy fitting up George Pell fora crime he did not commit to have the the time to deal with the complaint against Shorten. So come on Mr Andrews show us that you have the guts to follow up on that complaint or is it one rule for a high profile Cardinal and another rule for a high profile Labor Party MP?

  29. Mother Lode

    who moved predators around working class parishes for decades

    Could he be more of a caricature if he tried?

  30. John A

    D Andrews plus Statement equals Fuel plus Fire equals Escalated Conflagration

    Thank you, Premier.

    May I encourage you to continue until such time as the rope is long enough to hang you politically.

  31. Dinky

    Damn right Forester, as a Victorian I’ve been complaining about both for years and it took a microscopic bug & the coronavirus to finally get the job done.

  32. thefrollickingmole

    Does wingnut know his own states legislation?

    Is he a idiot, liar or embracing the healing power of “both”.
    https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/child-abuse-reporting-procedures?viewAsPdf=true

    In Victoria, any person who believes, on reasonable grounds, that a child needs protection from child abuse or
    neglect can make a report to Child Protection. Child Protection will assess and, where necessary, investigate
    whether the child or young person is at risk of significant harm

    Though it is passing strange that pollies exempted themselves from mandatory reporting rules.
    Why?
    Responsibilities of a mandated reporter
    The following professional groups are required to make a report to child protection where they form a reasonable
    belief, that a child has been or is at risk of significant harm, as a result of physical or sexual abuse, and the child’sparents have not protected or are unlikely to protect the child from that abuse:
    registered medical practitioners
    nurses including midwives
    Victoria police officers
    registers teachers and school principals
    out of home care workers (excluding voluntary foster and kinship carers)
    early childhood workers
    youth justice workers
    registered psychologists
    school counsellors
    people in religious ministry.

    But nothing for the ALP paddle-pile brigade.

  33. Tim Neilson

    So if he knows there are law-breakers who are currently “free men” why haven’t they been arrested and prosecuted?

    Iampeter
    #3400048, posted on April 8, 2020 at 12:43 pm
    many statutes of limitations have expired

    Do please enlighten us on these statutes of limitation that apply to prosecutions.

    Actual citation of specific legislation please.

  34. Lee

    I don’t take lectures in morals and ethics from a judgmental type who was in it up to his neck in the “Red Shirt Affair.”

  35. Roger

    There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court, so I won’t make any comments about that …

    What an idiot.

    Watch Victorians elect him again in 2022.

  36. Igor

    Free men walking around having committed crimes.
    Try men of colour.

  37. Scott Osmond

    Walking through the lounge room tonight and catching a segment on tv, it appears that police will charge teenagers in a vehicle or people out in the middle of nowhere on a paddleboard getting some exercise because it’s unnecessary but the propaganda operatives calling themselves journalists can follow Pell around. But, it’s okay because they respected the 1.5 m rule. Come on police, arrest some journalist scum. You know you want to and you know you will get cheers from us normies.

  38. Squirrel

    “… we need to face up to the fact that there are people – some are in jail, some are free men – who moved predators around working class parishes for decades, and others who knew that it was going on, actually facilitated it, and whether they’re in jail or not, they’ll have to go to their maker knowing that they did those sorts of things.”

    That sounds a bit like a justification for a show trial, which is not how problems are supposed to be dealt with in a separation of powers, rule of law country. A State government in a very dominant position in the legislature has all sorts of options available to it – assuming it can see clearly enough.

  39. Nighthawk the Elder

    Daniel “stop looking for loopholes” Andrews, is busy looking for loopholes.

    Seriously, this stuff just writes itself.

  40. Castle Wolfenstein

    Lucky the dingo wasn’t a Labor voter … Mr Andrews would be having a go at the High Court about that too.

  41. L.B.Loveday

    “So if he knows there are law-breakers who are currently “free men” why haven’t they been arrested and prosecuted?”

    Maybe they have done their time and are hence “free men”?

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