Wednesday Forum: April 8, 2020

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  1. Italy isn’t an aberration.

    The death toll on Italy is quite normal.

    640,000 people a year die there normally. I believe 1/4 of their population is over 55.

    Many people get Covin-19 and are asymptomatic.

    You’re not saving anyone’s life by staying home.

    No well person in Australia has died from it. Yes I am saying being 95 marks you as unwell by definition.

    We are not seeing full blown autopsies with microbiological testing. Nor is attributing an infectious disease as the putative cause of death to a terminally ill cancer patient in the last week’s of their life honest/lending itself to robust data.

  2. Seven States Mencius

    Its cheaper to avoid a war by preparation than to fight that war. Its cheaper to win that war than to lose it.

    But always good drama and good policy are at opposite ends of the spectrum. The world that Seven State Mencius was born into was a world of irrigation. So the water that you got came from somewhere else. So the advice of Seven State Mencius is always right and always boring too. Because if the war cuts off the irrigation than everybody dies. Hence the admirable reticence of the Chinese to take over much of the world when they had the temporary capacity to do so.

    When Charles Bronson takes care of business in Death Wish II it feels so right to us because he’s acting in a situation of poor social administration. But what we really need is excellence in social administration. Try to deal with the boredom by loving your little girls more. There will be disasters coming down the pike sure enough to deny you your boring excellence.

  3. egg_

    attributing an infectious disease as the putative cause of death to a terminally ill cancer patient in the last week’s of their life honest/lending itself to robust data.

    Truth is the first casualty of War.

  4. Infidel Tiger King

    Eat a steak on the victims’ graves. The utter arrogance

    I’ve shooed you off here before and now I ask again, please leave until you are medicated again

  5. Seven States Mencius

    Eat a steak on the victims’ graves. The utter arrogance.

    Elly…. Elly … Elly … Elly. Sweety you know you don’t mean that. Talk any time. No-one is that hard to find.

  6. Rex Mango

    SS Mencius, think you need to learn from the Romans & their god of Janus, the dude with two heads looking forwards & backwards. While Rome was at war the doors of the Temple of Janus were open. In like 1,000 years the doors of the Temple of Janus were shut for three days. As they said, if you want peace, prepare for war.

  7. Ellie

    Why is my point of view shat on? It is real. Sorry to offend.

  8. stackja

    Rex – High Court didn’t release Lindy.

  9. twostix

    Give up, mate.

    You are clearly dealing with idiots without the capacity to comprehend. They believe Italy, Spain, UK, US, France are all aberrations, that there is nothing to worry about at all. They believe their money is more important than lives.

    It is also clear that many on this site don’t have the mental faculties to understand that the only reason we are not in the same disastrous position as those other countries is the steps taken by good people to protect their sorry derrières… Many true characters have been exposed over the past few weeks on this site and they are found wanting…. idiots, basically exposing themselves as money hungry morons who would watch their mother die a horrendous death fighting for air, for a dollar… They know who they are…

    lol.
    Let your mummy dry your tears. She’ll tell you she doesn’t want millions of young families destroyed financially and little children to suffer growing up poor for her sake.

    No. This is about you, passive aggressive like a woman.

  10. Mark A

    Lame pics for today.
    Mostly postcards of yore.

  11. Ellie

    All this on a Libertarian blog. It’s a laugh.

  12. Rex Mango

    stackja, yeah think I remember that. Deane (later to become chief justice) wrote dissenting judgment that everyone quotes. I never said the High Court let her off though. I said the Pell Case is a much bigger injustice on a scale of magnitude.

  13. From The Daily Msil.

    The question should not just be should MP’s take a pay cut. It should be should the MP’s take a pay cut if by doing so they will set an example to the civil service around the country. Thst is the over 2 million.

    By the MP’s showing some sacrifice they would then be in a position to at least look into trying to institute some staff savings, particularly for those who are currently at home but unable to perform normal duties.

    Last week Alan Jones asked Cormann, Cash and the PM about cuts to MP’s and civil service and ABC pay. They all replied have frozen this years payrise. However also showed no interest to discuss the matter and brushed it off.

    “MPs WON’T take a pay cut while millions of Australians are made redundant or have their salaries slashed – ‘because they’re working really hard’
    Finance Minister Mathias Cormann insists MPs won’t be getting a pay reduction
    ‘Right now politicians are probably working harder than they ever have,’ he said
    Australia’s 227 federal MPs in both houses are paid a base salary of $211,250
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison earns $549,250 leading nation through COVID-19”

  14. Seven States Mencius

    Sure Rex whatever you say. But if you like the disasters of communism world war I and II you will say that good behaviour and dramatic vengeance are the same and I will say they are opposites.

    But supposing you are a student on the dot-mom? Then your perspective is not going to be the same as someone who has to work for a living. So in the same way if you are pretending to be Australian, rather than someone from a privileged class, that never sees a downside to their atrocities, its easy to see how you might adopt an attitude where drama and good policy are the same.

    So supposing you shoot an unarmed protesting child in the back as he is running away? Good drama? Or good policy? I think its good drama but bad policy. What do you think?

    If you are on the dot-mom you are remote from reality. In the same way if you have special privileges you are remote from reality. And that specialness may deny you the reality that good drama and good policy are opposites and not synonyms.

    If you talk to me in person you have a certain reality that is imposed upon me. If you talk to me on the net you can engage in all manner of fantasy. In every case if you must face reality you will find that drama and good policy are polar opposites.

    Find the saviour Rex. Logos is rising.

  15. I can’t believe people think the government (good people like Dan *Stage 4 Please* Andrews) is saving our arses by locking us down, inventing social spergin’ and at the same time, desiring us to have herd immunity and allowing schools to stay open and subsidising childcare.

    WWLCFSD?

    What a crock of shit!

    What a sham!

  16. twostix

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison earns $549,250 leading nation through COVID-19”

    He’s just doing as he’s told, first by the international medical public policy “community”, then by Victoria – in that order.

  17. Rex Mango

    SS Mencius, you happy Pell got acquitted?

  18. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Ellie at 12:17 am and 12:19 am:

    “Eat a steak on the victims’ graves. The utter arrogance.” and “It’s been all about politics – not victims. At least the victim has been gracious.”

    Dead set stupid. Plain stupid and deliberately insulting.

  19. Seven States Mencius

    I’m so happy Rex. I’m celebrating. The black-pill has turned to a beige pill. I got three bottles of dark red plonk so as to be in sync with my brother George Pill. I’m so happy I’m besides myself. Think about the expression “besides myself” its like an out of body experience.

    Few of the people will understand just how happy I am because I’m coming from a much dimmer view of the world then most people could tolerate.

  20. egg_

    Has the OT morphed into the Oprah show?
    Any repressed memories surfacing?
    Anyone channelling Phatty?

  21. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Some dope left the door open at the lunatic asylum.

  22. Simple answer. Your point of view totally ignores the lack of evidence in the Pell case. The case should never have gone to court. Your personal experience is not evidence that Pell was guilty of a crime he could not possibly have committed.

    Why you are even on this blog at this time when clearly you can see the majority supported Pell is a mystery to me. Sinc have you a very good response a few hours ago and yet you are still here making similar comments.

    As others have suggested seek help because Pell or his case has nothing to do with your experiences.

    “Why is my point of view shat on? It is real. Sorry to offend”

  23. twostix

    We really are in this mess because Morrison isn’t a leader in the least.

    The states are eating the commonwealth for breakfast in a way not seen in 100 years. And he has no guts to push back against the internationalist “experts” advising him who are starting to flail about like retards as human reality predictably doesn’t meet their inane policy predictions. So in the last two days we have been told we are imprisoned for another two weeks, six months, eighteen months or forver until a vaccine is found – which?

    And why? Because they now say the complete obvious will occur. According to their models – once let out of our houses, having been artificially suppressed the virus will immediately return. So we cannot be let out.

    Except that’s literally insane, and is the place for a political leader to step in and draw a line in the sand between autistic policy wonk driven public policy, and political reality.

    Even a child understands this.

  24. Seven States Mencius

    Ellie find this video for me.

    It goes like this.

    Ellie. Baby. Don’t get. Crazy. Detours. Fences. Don’t get. Defensive.

  25. EvilElvis

    Has the OT morphed into the Oprah show?

    Encore performance.

  26. egg_

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison earns $549,250 leading nation through COVID-19”

    Can we trade the meat puppet for a Sports meathead on $1M p.a.?

  27. Seven States Mencius

    Anyone channelling Phatty?

    Tell me more. Phatty?

  28. egg_

    We really are in this mess because Morrison isn’t a leader in the least.

    SloMo is the Hunchback’s gimp.

  29. egg_

    “Phatty” = Phat Phil Adams

  30. Seven States Mencius

    Some dope left the door open at the lunatic asylum.

    Tell me more

    Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Overcompensating? Pretty fly for a white guy right?

  31. egg_

    human reality predictably doesn’t meet their inane policy predictions.

    Modelling fvckwits meet Farr’s curve (human behaviour in an epidemic mediating infection rates)

  32. egg_

    If Trump relaxes his isolation in another week or so, methinks Brave Sir ScoMo will grow a pair and come out from behind the big dog and do same a little later.

  33. Seven States Mencius

    We almost have the right masks. We have the right treatment if Dr Death Fauci and others will stop lying about it. But our sluggish big business communism cannot get these things to us. Because we are right back in Soviet Style production once the companies get too big. Get too big from subsidised funny money. From financial welfarism. From no banker left behind parasitism. The cause of all problems. The real root of all evil and scholarship will find out that this is what the saviour meant, just for starters.

  34. Arky

    Tried the new razor.
    Not bad.
    But I can see how it could easily take chunks out of the face.
    I’m too pretty for that.
    Also it’s too bulky to get the bit of mo under my commanding aquiline nose.
    I’m using the electric instead.

  35. Seven States Mencius

    aquiline nose.

    And how did you get such a nose?

  36. egg_

    ABC TV Late News
    NSW Imported CV-19 cases bell curve past its peak

    NSW New CV-19 cases bell curve past its peak, also

    No wonder the trolls are scrambling to maintain isolation.

  37. Arky

    And how did you get such a nose?

    ..
    It’s ancestral.
    The Sheriff of London we are descended from had it too.

  38. Mark A

    Arky
    #3401431, posted on April 9, 2020 at 1:15 am

    Tried the new razor.

    Way overpriced but you can afford it so all good.
    ———————————————————-

    Also it’s too bulky to get the bit of mo under my commanding aquiline nose.

    I suggest you look up “aquiline ” .
    Your hooter is anything but.

  39. Arky

    I suggest you look up “aquiline ” .
    Your hooter is anything but.

    ..
    Yeah.
    Ok.
    Dad’s nose was aquiline.
    Mine’s just majestic.

  40. Seven States Mencius

    Ha ha ha ha ha. Well I know I appreciate your intellect and I am kind of hoping you are ….you know. Not “Old Europe” shall we say. More on the Yamnaya side of things. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    But don’t you think with all this blame gain going around (We don’t have a test that meets Koch’s postulates) and the lack of science that you might tell everyone that you got the lurgie before anyone else?

    Brother I saw it. I saw you live-blogging and about to die right in front of us. I’m sure my memory is good. Because I was a fan of yours and I was legitimately worried.

    I know Fisky and Infidel mean well. They are patriots. They mean well they mean well. They want our sovereignty back. But without a virus and a gold standard test that meet Koch’s postulates, we are all playing golf in the dark. And we need your help. We need your help.

    Because you got sick before they got sick in Wuhan.

  41. Cpt Seahawks

    Meanwhile in WA, closed borders, closed regions. Everyone around knows that they all are locals.
    No community transmission of anything. Hot weather and holidays in place. Cops spread on road blocks. Already mild party atmosphere at the beach.
    Can you dig it?

  42. Seven States Mencius

    Yeah I can dig it. Policy makers unable to take the marginalist approach. If you cannot disaggregate the data and find only the hot spots to lock down, economically you are moonwalking out the door pretty fast.

  43. Cpt Seahawks

    That’s the spirit. Michael Jackson glove award.

  44. Howard Hill

    For all those worried about 5G.

  45. Cold-Hands

    IOW, it is highly unlikely a doctor is prevented from prescribing – it is considerably more likely that they won’t, or that if they do, the prescription wont be able to be filled.

    Bit of both. The TGA has imposed new regulations for HydroxyChloroquine. The only doctors who can initiate new treatment with the drug are a narrowly defined group of specialists. The rest of us poor shlubs can only write repeats for previously initiated treatments.

    To help maintain the supply of hydroxychloroquine in Australia and discourage inappropriate prescribing, effective from 24 March 2020 the TGA is implementing changes to the Poisons Standard to place restrictions on the medical specialists who can initiate prescribing of the medication. Initiation of hydroxychloroquine is restricted to the following medical specialties as per the Medical Board list: dermatology; intensive care medicine; paediatrics and child health; physician; and emergency medicine.

    General practitioners and other medical practitioners (e.g. hospital Resident Medical Officers (RMOs) and doctors in training) can continue to prescribe repeats for hydroxychloroquine to patients in line with the registered indications for patients in whom the medication was prescribed prior to 24 March 2020. General practitioners and doctors in training can prescribe these medicines for continued treatment of patients where treatment was previously initiated by one of the specialists.

  46. Seven States Mencius

    Within ten seconds we can see that the video is anti-science idiocy. Howard? What is the point of the exercise? I will persist. But only with the strongest skepticism imaginable.

  47. Howard Hill

    Did you watch the whole thing, Mencius?. BigClive is quite reliable and he presents things in a way the layman can understand.
    There’s been a few post here of late that BatFluDeath are a result of the introduction of 5G, which is nonsense. Thought I’d put this up for those interested.

  48. MemoryFault

    Cold Hands, thanks for that.
    Since you seem to be “in the trade” so to speak, perhaps you can clear up something else for me. Ventolin has always been available “over the counter” at pharmacies. But now some pharmacies will only supply it on receipt of a script.

    Is this the result of some official directive, or is it just pharmacies trying to limit supply?

  49. Peter the old fossil

    Cold Hands, thanks for that.
    Since you seem to be “in the trade” so to speak, perhaps you can clear up something else for me. Ventolin has always been available “over the counter” at pharmacies. But now some pharmacies will only supply it on receipt of a script.

    Is this the result of some official directive, or is it just pharmacies trying to limit supply?

  50. Howard Hill

    I saw tonight they’d limited the use of, hydroxychloroquine in Oz.
    Right after showing video of Italian hospitals and claiming they were in New York, just as NBC in the states did the other day. Channel Nein must think the public are complete imbeciles and don’t have an internet connection.

    They were also showing empty tents of mayhem, whilst claiming they outbreak is out of control. I need to get my eyes checked after that one. They’re starting to lie a little to much these days for my liking 🙂

  51. Mother Lode:

    Last night listening to Fine Music FM* in the car during the news they quoted (I do not know how accurately) the PM as saying that he respected the HC’s decision but that he wanted to dedicate his thoughts to victims.
    Is there any reason why thoughts and wishes could not be dedicated to Pell, at least for the time it took him to say it? Why not spare a thought for an innocent man hounded, persecuted and prosecuted, and locked up for over a year? Does it not matter? Can’t we be a little happy about his release while also being pained at the suffering of children?
    Increasingly he comes across as something trying to mimic a human, like someone trying to create the impression of being an athlete by rehearsing the movements of an athlete but with no understanding, skill, or indeed athleticism.

    Very well put, Mother.
    The essence of a sociopath – in this case not an evil man, but one who has no self correcting model.

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    Bernie!

    Goooooorn!

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    Tell you what.

    I’ve been a fan of Mike Lester for a bit, but this morning’s effort (appreciated Tom – again) was, on any proper analysis, piss funny.

  54. jupes

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s not often that I give fashion advice to anyone, let alone myself, let alone a ladeeeeee.

    But Sky Laura – darl, a sparkly, spangly bedazzler top does not mask you heaving yourself about with child.

    Don’t get me wrong – I think the sight of a healthy pregnant lady is a wonderful thing. No need to try and hide it.

    Pro tip for blokes – if you live with a ladeee, and that ladeee is bearing the fruit of your loins, and that ladeeee is starting to be physically discomfited about it because she’s never done it before, and is almost at the waddle stage but not quite, DO NOT try and make her feel better by wandering up, tickling her under the chon and saying ‘Lookit those widdle jowls coming in!’

    Granted, you can outrun her but then again you always could. It’s a long walk back.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    *chin*

    True story bro.

  57. Knuckle Dragger

    Header this morning in the NT News:

    ‘School IS Compulsory’

    Aaand goes on to say that all NT school students are expected to turn up for Term 2. Haha.

    That’s ambitious, considering the attendance figures in normal life.

  58. Knuckle Dragger

    Question.

    Cuomo in NY. Why does he sit down in all his pressers?

    Is he trying to look regal? A medical thing? Is he a dwarf, a la Bloomberg?

    Enquiring minds etc.

  59. Mater

    Appt with Dr [Insert Name] [Insert Date & Time]. Consultation will be via Zoom video conferencing. Check your email for all the details closer to time.

    And there it is. My (very) regular appointment to check on the progress (or otherwise) of my cancer, which normally consists of an internal and external examination, reduced to a phone conversation.

    Anyone want to take a punt on how far a cancer can get in 3, 6 or 18 months? The books are now open.

  60. calli

    JC
    #3401302, posted on April 8, 2020 at 11:01 pm
    This pic has remained my favorite Americana Artwork. It’s just so American.

    Didn’t both Rowe and an English cartoonist use that as inspiration last week?

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater,

    As Guido Hatsis was wont to comment, ‘that is bullshit maaate.’

    Perfectly sums up the stupidity. Deny everyone in the country ongoing and necessary medical care because empty wards have been cleared out for a tsunami of 80 year old comorbid people that didn’t happen.

    Homer Simpson’s ‘tiger rock’ comes to mind.

  62. rickw

    Bernie!

    Goooooorn!

    Is someone sending munty flowers?

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Clearly, I’m not in NSW.

    Would have been nice, though, to hear Ragin’ Ray (hopefully with his drug trafficking son as a special guest) mouth off at Blot again after being called a coward on the teev last night.

  64. Mater

    Perfectly sums up the stupidity. Deny everyone in the country ongoing and necessary medical care because empty wards have been cleared out for a tsunami of 80 year old comorbid people that didn’t happen.

    You hush now, KD.

    It was only on the last page that Digger assured everyone that I was one of the “idiots, basically exposing themselves as money hungry morons who would watch their mother die a horrendous death fighting for air, for a dollar… They know who they are…”

    We are all in this together. Some likely for less time than others, it would appear.

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    That would be the same comment by the same person that Stix nailed to the floor with:

    ‘No. This is about YOU*, passive aggressive like a woman.’

    *Original quote had italics, not caps. I’m italicist. Free country.

  66. rickw

    SloMo is the Hunchback’s gimp.

    There needs to be a cartoon on that.

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    rickw,

    Munty’s going to be devo.

    Totes devo, in fact. Tory fightin’ Albo, Trotsky Corbyn, and now the Ambassador to Cuba.

    All in 12 months. Pandemic!

  68. 132andBush

    Mater,
    Been there and done that, surely you can still get the physical checks/scans?

    Hope it’s not too nasty.

  69. rickw

    “MPs WON’T take a pay cut while millions of Australians are made redundant or have their salaries slashed – ‘because they’re working really hard’

    Stupid people always work really hard on the wrong things.

    No one in industry is rewarded on how hard they work, they are rewarded on results.

    These idiots are working hard because their job was to make sure the photocopier didn’t run out of paper. Instead, they’ve been working hard at unplugging the photocopier and are now scrubbing the toilets at the business next door with a toothbrush.

    They are working hard to produce a complete clusterfuck.

  70. Mater

    Giving the recent airing of both Zulu and Battle of Britain, thought I might post this.

    Michael Caine:

    “No. But I do vote conservative because I want a society with enough money – paid in tax – to help the poorer people,” he says. “Emotionally, I am working class and I am a socialist. I have seen what the lower end of life is like and I want those people to get help. I am a left-wing Tory. I am as far left on conservatism as you can go.”

    He goes on to confirm that he is keen that the rich get taxed and – now mostly resident back home – he is happy to pay his share. Yet he did flee the country in the late 1970s after the Labour government raised the top rate to 83 per cent. That was, for him, beyond the reasonable limit.

    “I was on the next plane because I said: ‘I am not a communist. I don’t work for the government,’” he says. “In two weeks, because I couldn’t work in England, the production of Educating Rita was moved to Dublin. They’d said: ‘Some loud mouth conceited actor has said he’s going to move. Who gives a shit?’ Well, a hundred and twenty people lost their jobs and £25 million of investment went to Ireland.”

  71. rickw

    Oh, and for the record, my crew are now getting paid for 4 days a week whilst working harder than ever to try and hold things together whilst we wait for SloMo to stop looking at the CCP modelling and come to his senses. SloMo is touting 6 months because that’s how long it’s going to take him to think through this.

  72. calli

    Patrick Blower (uk tele) today. Nice and cutting.

  73. Bear Necessities

    Interesting that the total number of known coronavirus cases in New York is coming up to 1% of the NY State population. If the unknown conoravirus cases are about 5 to 10 times higher than that then maybe 6 to 11 percent of New Yorkers have it now or have had it.

    I think that it would now be impossible to contain the virus in New York even if you shut down everything (even public transport) for 10 to 12 months.

  74. mh

    UK COVID-19 death toll yesterday 938.

    And an update on the bin bag nurses

    Exclusive: Three nurses forced to wear bin bags because of PPE shortage test positive for coronavirus
    Frontline workers were pictured wearing clinical waste bags on heads and feet at Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow last month

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/08/exclusive-three-nurses-forced-wear-bin-bags-ppe-shortage-test/

  75. rickw

    Why is my point of view shat on? It is real. Sorry to offend.

    It has no factual basis.

  76. calli

    Hang on. I was told here those bin bags were a fake. I took it to be gallows humour, as they knew they were running short.

    Seems the photo was right on the money.

  77. Mater

    Mater,
    Been there and done that, surely you can still get the physical checks/scans?
    Hope it’s not too nasty.

    I don’t think I can, Bushy. It appears not, according to dictate. I’ll keep trying, though.

    As for nasty, it was. It could be again.
    It was/is considered under control, but was necessarily being closely monitored…“was” being the operative word.

  78. The sound track is straight out of Catallaxy (Chicoms, bat eaters, celestials, dry cleaners, chunks…..)

  79. feelthebern

    KD, I’m horribly sexist, but when I see Laura Jayes on the box now, due to her with-child status, I just go all Andrew Dice Clay:

    Huuuge fucken tits.

  80. Knuckle Dragger

    I love that guy, Liability Bob.

    ‘Death to Communism!’

    What’s not to like? Several billion bat sim munchers won’t be happy, but hey – they all look the same, amiright?

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It has no factual basis.’

    Maybe if Ellie didn’t have a cat, she wouldn’t be into the Mrs Slocum jokes.

  82. feelthebern

    From many Bernie supporters overnight.

    States that haven’t yet voted in the primary:
    -New York
    -New Jersey
    -Pennsylvania
    -Ohio
    -New Mexico
    -Oregon
    -Indiana
    -Connecticut
    -Maryland
    -Kansas
    -Kentucky
    -Hawaii
    -Georgia
    -Louisiana
    -W. Virginia
    -Delaware
    -Nebraska
    -S Dakota
    -Montana
    -Wyoming
    -Hawaii
    -Alaska
    -Rhode Island

  83. calli

    On using the term “celestials” to describe China, it’s an old, non-perjorative literary term.

    And there’s this:

    Its usage has become popular again in the present day (2015), particularly among Chinese Internet users. It’s used to refer to the current Communist regime, to imply either disapproval for its political suppression and arrogance or national pride in the country’s emergence as a superpower in the twenty-first century, depending on the context.[5]

    From Wiki. My bold.

    I’m not into all the racist stuff, but quite happy to use “celestial” as a descriptor.

  84. feelthebern

    lol, Rick, I thought you’d posted an Andrew Dice Clay clip.

  85. calli

    So where do the Bernie Bros go? Do they support Jumpin’ Joe, or will they simply not turn out come November?

  86. notafan

    Mater

    That must be your oncologist.
    My sister is still getting face to face appointments.

  87. feelthebern

    They ain’t turning out for Biden.

  88. feelthebern

    Zanetti is great today.
    ScoMo has turned into a Rudd-like character.

  89. feelthebern

    Find attached a twitter thread on 10 Lombardy (Italy) towns.
    This is what the government, public service, media are all scared of.
    Citizens with the skill-set doing this kind of modelling.

    https://threader.app/thread/1247576623303421953

    Not perfect.
    & they highlight where this is the case.
    I’m following this chap on twitter now as it seems like he’s looking at data.

  90. Mater

    That must be your oncologist.
    My sister is still getting face to face appointments.

    Probably, Nota. Likely depends on the speciality of the oncologist, and the nature of the examination.

    I’m thinking of cancelling the appointment, as I can’t see how what I have to say could shed ANY light on the situation.
    What am I going to tell him? “Yeah Doc, I must be crook, I’ve hardly been able to leave the house!”.

  91. notafan

    My advice don’t cancel

    Or

    At least tell him/her your concerns

  92. notafan

    If UK hospitals are being overwhelmed with severe cases isn’t that useful information?

    Various people said Italy, Spain can’t be trusted wait for the anglosphere

    Now the anglosphere is reporting large numbers of cases and transforming more and more wards into ICU

    Still with the yeah nah?

    overwhelming?

  93. mh

    Hang on. I was told here those bin bags were a fake. I took it to be gallows humour, as they knew they were running short.

    Seems the photo was right on the money.

    Yes.

  94. 1735099

    That must be your oncologist.

    My bride’s monitoring continues as usual, except for a whole heap of precautions being taken in the specialists’ rooms.
    A great deal can be achieved remotely. The only part of the process impossible is a physical examination.
    My gym sessions continue with the application of an iPad with Zoom installed, a stationary bike, a fitball, theraband and weights.
    My exercise physiologist can supervise me throughout the process and yell at me if I get slack.

  95. notafan

    Point taken regarding type though Mater.

    No internal exam required.

  96. Mater

    The only part of the process impossible is a physical examination.

    You mean that bit where they can actually see what the cancer is doing?
    A minor element of the process, I know.

    Fuck off with your anecdotes. Your wife’s cancer is not mine.
    Just another example of: “I’m ok thanks, Jack. Fuck the rest of you!”
    You’re the ultimate Jackman, Bob.

  97. mh

    Worth remembering this from January 2019

    A standing ovation for abortion? That’s what New York’s Reproductive Health Act got in the Senate chamber when it passed last week. Lawmakers and bystanders stood and applauded a law that legalizes abortion all the way up until birth, for any reason.

  98. vr

    Terrible situation. I know it’s the huffpost, but still..

    For most Americans, sheltering in place is a sensible act of self-protection amid the coronavirus pandemic. But home can be a dangerous place for some ― like children in abusive situations.

    Children face a heightened risk for sexual abuse during this time, child advocates told HuffPost. Scott Berkowitz, president of the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, said RAINN has seen an uptick in minors reporting sexual violence in March, the month most shelter-in-place orders were implemented across the country.

    “Last month, for the first time ever, a majority of RAINN’s sexual abuse hotline users were minors,” he told HuffPost.

    Just over half of the people who called RAINN’s hotline last month who identified their age were under 18. Of those, 67% identified their perpetrator as a family member and, within that group, 79% said they were living with that perpetrator. RAINN’s victim service programs help on average about 25,000 people every month.

    Berkowitz said the reason for the increased calls from minors could be that children can’t access the safety net of other adults they usually see outside the home.

    “So many minors are now locked at home with their abuser, in the same house,” Berkowitz said. “The safety net that they had ― the parents and teachers and coaches that they would see every day who were likely the first people to notice signs of abuse ― children no longer have contact with those people right now.”

  99. 1735099

    Fuck off with your anecdotes

    My anecdotes are reflections on reality.
    They’re the consequence of a long life well lived.
    I’m not going anywhere.

  100. Knuckle Dragger

    Shark jumping. Go!

    ‘My bride’s monitoring continues’

    Bam, to:

    ‘My gym sessions continue with the application of’

    There is no subject – none – that the elderly plagiarist cannot contrive to make about himself.

  101. Knuckle Dragger

    Anecdotes, Old Yeller?

    Or primary sources?

    What are Norman Swan’s thoughts?

  102. 1735099

    And the jackmen are those who bitch and moan about the Corona virus restrictions.
    They’re here in spades.
    Crises always bring out the best and worst in people.
    Especially on anonymous blogs.

  103. Mater

    And just so the Newly unemployed Cats out there don’t forget:

    1735099
    #3401555, posted on April 9, 2020 at 7:15 am

    My gym sessions continue with the application of an iPad with Zoom installed, a stationary bike, a fitball, theraband and weights.
    My exercise physiologist can supervise me throughout the process and yell at me if I get slack.

    Paid for by you:

    1735099
    #3324188, posted on February 15, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    A gold card (once over 70) – which includes free health care, and lots of other benefits, which you’re paying for. Thanks.

    A DVA funded (three sessions per week) gym programme which keeps me fighting fit.
    I’m probably a damn sight fitter than you.

    You’re paying for that as well. Thanks.

  104. jupes

    ScoMo has turned into a Rudd-like character.

    His quote on Pell was revealing.

    Too scared of the mob to offer sympathy to a man who had been wrongly deprived of his liberty for 405 days. No difference in substance to Daniel Andrews. Gutless and craven.

  105. dover_beach

    One of Dr. John Campbell’s videso yesterday looked at stats from UK ICUs up to the 4 April re Wuhan flu. Fifty percent of those in ICUs are in the 51-70 year old bracket, then 25% 49 and under, 25% 71 and and over. Two other interesting stats, less than 5% had serious comorbidities/ mmunosuppressed, and this hits males to females disproportionately, 3 to 1.

  106. Farmer Gez

    One of the good points about American elite is their philanthropy.

    Tech entrepreneur and Twitter founder Jack Dorsey has donated $US1 billion to fund global coronavirus relief

    The best Tweet ever.

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    All the toons are worthwhile this morning, Tom, with variations of political comment on the Covid 19 theme. The one that was most poignant for me at the very human level was Tom Stiglich’s juxtaposition of the power of office vs. the human factor in who can get brought down low: a sad little get-well message for Boris.

  108. Anthony

    Just thinking, who would be silly enough to have a civil go at George Pell now? The judiciary, especially in Victoria, will be bending over backwards to avoid further criticism of the magnitude inflicted on them by the HCA.
    The state government, the DPP and Victoria Police simply want the whole thing to fade quickly and quietly away – though there is no chance that that will happen. Like covid this is the new reality – VicPol, the DPP and Gobbo et al. are all looking pretty dirty.

  109. BrettW

    Page 5 of the Oz has a story about Councils around the country possibly have to lose 45,000 workers as their revenue sources have dried up (ie. rates, swimming pool fees, parking fines).

    Fed and State Govt have recently also suffered huge income losses but no story so far of Federal or State employees losing their jobs or taking a pay cut. Yet it is the PM and State leaders who are making the decisions that have put council workers and large sections of the private sector out of work.

    Brisbane Council cancelled their pay rise for next two years. Hume council last week laid off hundreds of workers. Qld only put their pay rise on hold and VIC MP’s said they would donate their pay rise to virus related causes (total BS).

    Cant be said enough that Federal and State employees are not making sacrifices or sharing the burden (not talking about essential workers) as the PM has indicated we all would.

  110. 1735099

    And just so the newly unemployed Cats out there don’t forget

    The Australian taxpayer sent thousands of young men to a civil war in peacetime on foreign soil on the basis of a lottery. They were obviously quite OK with that, as are those who post here.
    These same taxpayers and their descendants have an obligation to compensate those caught up in this debacle. Unfortunately it’s too late for two hundred of them.
    The “jackmen” were the voters back then who offloaded their paranoia about Communism on that very small percentage of the population and went along with it for a while until they woke up to the scam.
    Paying for rehabilitation is the least they can do.

  111. Anne

    Eight new Q drops – only for the stout of heart.

    qanon.pub

  112. dover_beach

    And lest I tread on Gab’s toes, Cardinal Pell is still a free man.

  113. Some History

    The NSW Chief Medical Officer’s name is Cherry Kant.

  114. If that’s the case Numbers then your kids are state property.

    You’ve outed yourself as a serf.

    Come here child, rest your forehead in my palms. You can call me your Hfalord.

    We’re giving you our dough so the name is apt.

  115. BrettW

    Totally agree. After the VIC appeal result PM made the Andrews mistake of telling those claiming to have been abused that they would be believed. No concept of actual evidence. Justice works both ways and not just for the person making the allegations.

    Suspect his comments might have been different in relation to another non Catholic church leader.

    jupes
    #3401577, posted on April 9, 2020 at 7:52 am
    ScoMo has turned into a Rudd-like character.

    His quote on Pell was revealing.

    Too scared of the mob to offer sympathy to a man who had been wrongly deprived of his liberty for 405 days. No difference in substance to Daniel Andrews. Gutless and craven.

  116. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    John Campbell’s work during this epidemic has been very good. Simple and effective teaching methods and keeping good sense in the picture. Those stats are more in line with what was being presented in the video from Channel 4 interviewing and ICU head of staff. Definitely not just very old people who are falling prey to this virus, although age doesn’t help, and the deaths are mainly of the aged. ICU’s still coping well with the numbers though.

    It does seem to be more than a sniffle for a significant number of people in the active working phases of their lives who can end up in the ICU and who without modern ICU would no doubt succumb to death in greater numbers.

    This suggests a medical horror-show could be in store for the Third World, which is enough of a horror show already. Let’s hope CoV 2 can fade away before it gets a chance to rip away there.

  117. Mater

    These same taxpayers and their descendants have an obligation to compensate those caught up in this debacle…Paying for rehabilitation is the least they can do.

    So you believe in forced reparations from China?

  118. notafan

    BrettW

    No doubt your suspicions are well founded.

  119. Confused Old Misfit

    Scomo, like so many others is afraid of being labeled.
    He is in over his depth as far as managing the virus is concerned and he is constrained in what he can say and how he can say it with respect to the good cardinal.
    I expect he puts too much credence in advice received from others and with events moving so rapidly neither he nor his staff have time for serious and thorough thought.

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tech entrepreneur and Twitter founder Jack Dorsey has donated $US1 billion to fund global coronavirus relief

    The best Tweet ever.

    Well said.

  121. notafan

    Broken hearted about the parking fine revenue.

    I presume these are the ‘workers’ being laid off?

    Parks and garden maintenance should be fine.

    Council laws can all stand down.

  122. Farmer Gez

    1735099
    #3401598, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:08 am
    We could learn a great deal from the Kiwis.
    Not only when it comes to rugby….

    Total cases per million of population:
    New Zealand 251
    Australia 236

    You were saying?

  123. jo

    Some History
    #3401589, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:02 am
    Is this Numbers?

    https://imgur.com/gPMm5iF

    Spud doesn’t have any ballz.

  124. Ed Case

    Page 5 of the Oz has a story about Councils around the country possibly have to lose 45,000 workers as their revenue sources have dried up (ie. rates, swimming pool fees, parking fines).

    Most of them are on low wages and a 9 day fortnite, so going on the Dole once the $cottyBux kick in on April 27 will see them better off.

  125. notafan

    I finally watched the Brennan interview.

    Sympathy for the complainant, but in essence he said the complaint should have been nipped in the bud.

    And he was correct the twenty two other witnesses had no skin in the game.

    Catholics have no issue with real P E d O going to prison, even priests.

    And he put the boots into Judd.

    Nice.

    And yes the innocent Cardinal Pell is still a free man.

  126. notafan

    Oh and is there a double standard with someone complaining about being abused when she is abusing an innocent man?

    Free speech!

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Old Misfit, I love your Gravatar with your guiding hand on the wheel there but your name is also on view. Perhaps it’s of no matter? Easy to change if you need to.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Andrew Bolt was looking particularly stressed out yesterday. Hope he takes a break over Easter.
    I think this whole Pell thing has been telling on him, as he is still taking flak for it.

  129. Knuckle Dragger

    Steady on, people.

    Liability Bob paid $15,000,000 in tax, remember.

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I just want Councils to stick to their knitting.

    Garbage collection is number one. Parks and roads maintenance after that.
    Frills like libraries (I do love those) and social programs (often misdirected) can wait.

    They can fire all of their authorising and compliance and planning personnel.
    They won’t be missed much and local productivity will be improved.

  131. Mater

    Paying for rehabilitation is the least they can do.

    It’s clearly got nothing to do with Rehabilitation for you.

    1735099
    #3324953, posted on February 16, 2020 at 8:54 am

    I regard my taxpayer funded DVA benefits which help me and mine and other ex-service personnel who were conscripted to “live well” not as “revenge”, but as a form of financial apology from the ignoramuses who voted Coalition from 1960 until 1972.

    From your own blog:

    A damaged economy may see a reduction in quality of life, but this may be a time when quality of life may need to be sacrificed simply to maintain life itself.

    When are you going to reduce your publicly funded ‘luxuries’ and sacrifice YOUR quality of life?

    You’re a dog.

  132. You’re a dog.

    And you’re bitter and twisted.
    Get help…

  133. Knuckle Dragger

    Went jack on his mates 50 years ago.

    Went jack on his own principles every time it mattered then, and ever since.

    Goes jack on the taxpayer at every opportunity.

    You didn’t build that.

  134. Confused Old Misfit

    Lizzie,
    He’s not real person, only a fixture of a fevered imagination.

  135. Cassie of Sydney

    “You’re a dog.”

    Mater..that is an insult to dogs! The Toowoomba racist and all round Jooo hater is simply a parasite.

  136. notafan

    People that voted coalition between 1969 and 1972 would all be over the age of 69 now.

    Nice revenge on mostly very old people, very few of whom would now be taxpayers.

  137. Anne

    Mike Pompeo just said 50,000 Americans have been repatriated.

    He’s talking about human trafficking not the Coronavirus.

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    From the Blog of Self-justification and Cowardice:

    ‘This may be a time when quality of life may need to be sacrificed simply to maintain life itself.’

    However:

    ‘Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ – Benjamin Franklin

  139. notafan

    Numbers, like Stalin, thinks he’ll go when he decides to go.

    Good luck with that.

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie,
    He’s not real person, only a fixture of a fevered imagination.

    Ah, yes. Like Elizabeth Beare.

    Except she really is me. 😀

  141. Boambee John

    Seagull’s perseveration has now combined with an awful case of OCD about some event many decades ago.

  142. notafan

    Oh do give it a rest Anne.

    What do we want?

    Unsealed indictments!

    When do we want them?

    Now!

  143. I can tolerate the justification for DVA benefits, even if I don’t like the sense of entitlement.

    However, to claim reparations from your own (and likely dead) WWII era parents for voting for Menzies from 1960 to 1966 is some real whack a doodle lunacy.

  144. Mater

    People that voted coalition between 1969 and 1972 would all be over the age of 69 now.
    Nice revenge on mostly very old people, very few of whom would now be taxpayers.

    No Nota. He believes you inherit the sins of your father.

    These same taxpayers and their descendants have an obligation to compensate those caught up in this debacle.

  145. Des Deskperson

    ‘The “jackmen” were the voters back then who offloaded their paranoia about Communism on that very small percentage of the population and went along with it for a while until they woke up to the scam.’

    And yet as late as 2008, Labor icon Paul Keating still believed – 0r said he still believed – in the sixties Commie threat to South East Asia, . From his eulogy to his ‘Pak’, Suharto:

    ‘Had Soeharto’s New Order government not displaced the Soekarno government and the massive PKI communist party, the postwar history of Australia would have been completely different. A communist-dominated Indonesia would have destabilised Australia and all of South-East Asia.’

  146. Paul Keating owes Liability Bob a new Maserati.

    Comrades!

  147. Mitch M.

    Frills like libraries

    Sacré bleu!

  148. 1735099

    Sinc is providing an essential public service – on-line therapy for those mugged by the current reality.
    Or maybe grief counselling.
    Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, etc. – it’s all here in one form or another.

  149. notafan

    Libraries are all closed.

  150. Mater

    Sinc is providing an essential public service – on-line therapy for those mugged by the current reality.
    Or maybe grief counselling.
    Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, etc. – it’s all here in one form or another.

    And all done without sponging off DVA!
    Well done, Sinc. At least you’re doing your bit.

  151. notafan

    And many of those coalition voters between 1960 and 1972 would have been war veterans.

  152. Please explain why you deserve financial reparations because your Dad voted for Bob Menzies (once) (probably 1963).

    Please Numbers.

    Inquirin’ minds wanna know!

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    Just like the Toowoomba Turd is consumed by lies, racism, Jooo hatred, fascism, depression, delinquency and perversion, etc, etc, etc – he is consumed by all of these…in one form or another.

  154. Farmer Gez

    Mike Pence is doing an excellent job as VP.

    His updates are thorough and delivered in a manner that hits the right tone. Trump is Trump but it’s good that such as level guy is his #2.

  155. Gab

    He is indeed, Dover, and Trump is still President. Glory days.

  156. BrettW

    Janet A’s article in the Oz “Coronavirus: Call to sign up for ‘Team Australia’ has fallen on a lot of deaf ears”. not far off 1,000 comments.

  157. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3401610, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:18 am
    I finally watched the Brennan interview.”

    It was a very, very good interview.

  158. Pay me money because a party I don’t like won an election when I was 12….

    That is the most juvenile nonsense I have ever read on this blog.

    Coming from a man who is in his early seventies, this is beyond shameful.

    Incredibly, mind blowingly stupid.

  159. 1735099

    Very few of whom would now be taxpayers.

    Most would be quarantined (see what I did there) from the financial repercussions except for the hit to their super, and the ridiculously low interest rates.
    And I’m wondering how Keating got into the conversation.
    One of the hallmarks of this blog is to nominate a divisive figure, and use the division to frighten the LIVs who flock here.
    And I’m content with my SE – Masers are notoriously unreliable.

    WWII era parents voting for Menzies

    Both my parents never voted for Menzies in their lives, both before and after the war, which my father spent in PNG in the RAAF, and my mother running his school in his absence.

  160. feelthebern

    Andrew Bolt was looking particularly stressed out yesterday.

    It’s called a hangover.

  161. Imagine that.

    Demanding other people’s great grandchildren pay you reparations because their great grandparents voted for the “wrong” party.

    You’re just a bludging thief numbers.

    A violent thug living in an incompetent coward’s body.

    We’d all be better off if you stayed there after the war. You would have fit in the Hanoi secret police very well.

  162. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I went to bed late and woke up early. Not good for anyone’s health.
    I am toddling back in to snooze a bit longer next to Hairy.
    Always a comfort.

    Catallaxy never sleeps. That can be a problem for those who try to keep up. 🙂

  163. Cassie of Sydney

    “Both my parents never voted for Menzies in their lives, both before and after the war,”

    What idiots they were…..but we should not be surprised…look at the cretin they produced.

  164. feelthebern

    Days with no civil case brought against Pell: 2.

    I believe the ABC will have a special site set up to monitor the situation.
    With a counter too, I hope.

  165. Boambee John

    1735099
    #3401644, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:44 am
    Sinc is providing an essential public service – on-line therapy for those mugged by the current reality.
    Or maybe grief counselling.
    Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, etc. – it’s all here in one form or another.

    A service of which you avail yourself daily, as some kind of group therapy.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    If St Pat’s has one of those little signboards out front that you can insert plastic letters and numerals they could go with:-
    “HE IS RISEN. REJOICE IN JUSTICE AND FREEDOM.”
    BOOK OF GEORGE 7-0.

  167. Peter the old fossil

    And I’m content with my SE – Masers are notoriously unreliable.

    Numbers, if you were content with anything at all in your life, you wouldn’t be here on this blog day after day, week after week, constantly seeking the attention you so desperately crave.

  168. BrettW

    NSW Minister Don Harwin to be fined $1000 by Police for visiting his country retreat.

  169. feelthebern

    Suggestion for this Easter weekend.
    Click on link below (it’s a dog video, so it’s safe).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnu_PLGzx0

    Keep it open in a seperate tab.
    Everything you feed the need to engage with any troll, click on tab & watch video.
    If you’re one of those people who are a cat (or ocelot) person, have one of those video’s open.
    It will make for a joyous weekend.

  170. feelthebern

    Bloody hell.
    Everything time you feel …

  171. Leigh Lowe

    Days with no civil case brought against Pell: 2.

    Allegedly up to 8 cases “ready to go”.
    I think any of those associated with the St Pats Cathedral allegations are dead in the water after Tuesday.
    Then there will be Sarah Snowcone’s drunk from Ballarat … nup.
    Any more.

  172. Don Harwin is now an unlikely sales target for my “legalise sedition” campaign.

  173. Cassie of Sydney

    ““HE IS RISEN. REJOICE IN JUSTICE AND FREEDOM.”
    BOOK OF GEORGE 7-0.”

    Sinc…that should be on the top of the page….for the next few days.

  174. 1735099

    Pay me money because a party I don’t like won an election when I was 12…

    I have a gold card, because like everybody else who saw active service, I was given one when I turned 70.
    If you believe that is unfair, take it up with your local member.
    I’m one of the lucky ones.
    Two hundred Nashos died before they saw their third decade.
    DVA provided a nice headstone.
    Their families continue to grieve.
    Do you think they should be compensated?
    The first election for which I was old enough to vote was the 1969 federal poll.
    I was going through Canungra with my unit at the time.
    Given I had a bit of skin in the game, I went to the orderly room and asked for transport to the polling booth at Canungra state school.
    I was told to fuck off back to my platoon, and that I’d be charged AWOL if I tried to walk to the booth.

  175. feelthebern

    Allegedly up to 8 cases “ready to go”.

    Hopefully the ABC has a war room set up.
    Hourly crosses to it, with concerns reporters breathlessly giving updates.

  176. calli

    Libraries are all closed.

    They are. Library staff here are taking on-line borrowing requests and picking. Books are left for collection/return. The librarian and her minions are worth a dozen Town Planners.

  177. Err, so you admit your claim about financial reparations going back to 1960 based on other people voting was an ambit claim and perhaps a consequence of a minor stroke?

  178. 1735099

    Constantly seeking the attention you do desperately crave

    And why are you here?

  179. stackja

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) wasted over $160 million on his failed presidential campaign, according to the latest federal election records.

    The campaign finance report filed on February 29, 2020, showed that Sanders spent $160,984,978 on his campaign, according to Open Secrets.

  180. thefrollickingmole

    They are going to double down, and damn the high court ruling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/09/abc-to-re-edit-and-restore-george-pell-episode-of-revelation-as-news-corp-goes-on-attack

    The ABC is re-editing, and will then restore online its documentary series Revelation, which includes previously unheard details of allegations against Cardinal George Pell the broadcaster has confirmed.

    Episode three of theseries addressed historic allegations about Pell and aired before he was freed from prison and had his convictions overturned.

    The broadcaster responded to the decision of the high court to quash Pell’s conviction by pulling the third episode of the series focusing on the Ballarat diocese from iview and ABC Online.

    “In response to the high court’s decision regarding Cardinal George Pell, the ABC has temporarily removed episode three of Revelation from its platforms while updating its content,” a spokesman for the ABC said.

    But the ABC is standing by Revelation and all its other programs, podcasts and articles about Pell.

    “The ABC has – and will continue to – report accurately and without fear or favour on stories that are in the public interest, including this one,” an ABC spokesman said. “We stand by our reporters and our stories.”

    ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan, who broke stories about abuse in the Catholic church for ABC TV programs 7.30 and Four Corners says her award-winning book Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of George Pell will not be withdrawn from sale.

    “Nothing happens to my book,” Milligan told Guardian Australia. “It speaks for itself.

    “I stand by it 100% and so does my publisher [MUP]. I am proud of the journalism in it, which exposed a dark history in the Catholic Church – how a generation of children were let down and continued to be let down when they came forward to tell their stories as adults.

    “I am in awe of their bravery. I am thinking of every single one of them and hoping they are OK. They deserved better. They still deserve better.”

    Milligan and a host of other journalists who reported on Pell are under attack by News Corp commentator Andrew Bolt and other Pell supporters who claim the ABC colluded with Victoria police to have Pell charged.

    In a fresh attack on Milligan on his Sky News program Bolt claimed the book Cardinal “slammed Pell”, was “a real hit job” and that Milligan “led the crusade” against Pell.

    The Australian’s columnist Gerard Henderson agreed with Bolt and said there had been a “media pile-on led by the ABC” against Pell.

    “Led by Victoria police, in cooperation with the ABC, the whole web of media pile on against George Pell went on for years,” Henderson old Sky News.

    Australian Catholic University vice-chancellor Greg Craven also took aim at the alleged campaign by the “Victorian police and the ABC”.

    “The coercive power of the state was engaged in a very cosy deal with the national broadcaster,” Craven said on Sky News.

    Professor Mark Pearson, a media law expert from Griffith University, says the biggest danger for the media lay in defaming Pell beyond what he had been convicted of.

    “The defences of a fair and accurate report of a court case and fair comment upon such a case will normally defend material about any court case until someone has been acquitted,” Pearson told Guardian Australia.

    “Once someone has been acquitted any new material would need to be defensible on the grounds of truth which is a very difficult defence to prove because of the need for evidence and the fact that you’d need to prove the truth of the imputations.

    “Historical material is normally safe as long as it does not go beyond the material that was presented in the court. Speculative historical material or material to do with other matters may not be defensible.

    “And people would need to be very careful, with any criminal case, what they publish once someone has been acquitted of a crime.”

    Revelation is a coproduction with In Films for the ABC, financed by Screen Australia with assistance from Screen NSW.

    So the NSW government is sponsoring the hit piece.

    in films…http://in-films.com/new-page-2
    screen australia, which also sponsored this “documentary” from the same mob..
    1814. Van Diemen’s Land, the notorious British penal colony, has dissolved into chaos. Outlaws roaming the wilderness have pushed the colonial government to breaking point. Driven by a deep sense of loyalty and an unquenchable hated towards those he once served, English convict Michael Howe and a young Aboriginal girl turn a desperate band of convicts, deserters and bushmen into a fearsome guerrilla army and lead them in open rebellion against a brutal, corrupt establishment.

    There is something really, really wrong when a person has the police advertising for victims (pre any complaint), the ABC agrees to help produce and distribute an “independent” film companies product using one of their own “talents”, who then writes a book underwritten by a university publisher, as well as securing state “arts” funding to further develop their ABC hit piece.

    Its a self licking ice cream cone of corruption.

  181. stackja

    Rex Mango
    #3401405, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:29 am

    With Lindy something did happen. While with Pell nothing happened.

  182. Nick

    Allegedly up to 8 cases “ready to go”.

    Sarah Ferguson: we start tonight’s show with our latest allegations about Cardinal Pell
    Muted voice: he wore a dress and made me eat the body and drink the blood of some Spanish dude, Jesus or something. He spoke of his special friend ‘our father’ and ‘his house of many rooms’.

    Sarah Ferguson: and there you have it. VicPol are currently investigating what is a cannibal cult with cross dressing and a large house run by a ‘big daddy’. Police are also looking for a bearded man, believed to be Spanish, named Jesus.

  183. Boambee John

    “Both my parents never voted for Menzies in their lives, both before and after the war,”

    Strange sentence construction from the pedantic pedanty pedant.

    Suggest “Neither of my parents ever voted …” might be easier to understand.

  184. Numbers

    Let’s use that big brain of yours to explain why you need compensation based on people voting against the ALP from 1960 – 1966.

    Here is your chance to shine.

    This is your claim, we would never try to disempower you by pretending you never wrote that.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3401689, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:13 am

    Allegedly up to 8 cases “ready to go”.

    Hopefully the ABC has a war room set up.
    Hourly crosses to it, with concerns reporters breathlessly giving updates.

    Going to be harder to nobble this one.
    Civil trials before judge alone are a little different.
    Yes, I know, Hulls appointed lefties, but none of likes being smashed on appeal and they might have one eye on a future Royal Commission or judicial enquiry into this.
    Of course, ‘civil claims ready to go’ means, ‘as soon as GP exhausts his appeals and fails we will lodge a claim and get paid’.

  186. Dr Faustus

    NSW Minister Don Harwin to be fined $1000 by Police for visiting his country retreat.

    Hoist on his own retard:

    Ms Berejiklian said Mr Harwin had been at his Pearl Beach residence for several weeks for health reasons, but conceded “the perception is horrible”.

    The Premier said Mr Harwin had not broken any rules because he went to his holiday house before NSW’s tough social-distancing shutdown was announced last month.

    Commissar Fuller will soon adjust that bit of wrongthink.

  187. thefrollickingmole

    InSicterated again.

    Link to article. blah, blah blah..

    They are going to double down, and damn the high court ruling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/09/abc-to-re-edit-and-restore-george-pell-episode-of-revelation-as-news-corp-goes-on-attack

  188. Leigh Lowe

    “Both my parents never voted for Menzies in their lives, both before and after the war,”

    Strange sentence construction from the pedantic pedanty pedant.

    Perhaps he should return the monies all which were recompensed at him on account for his teaching at the retards.

  189. feelthebern

    Trump was asked about pardoning Joe Exotic at the press conference today.
    Hilarity ensued.

  190. lotocoti

    Town Hall was closed for the protection of both the rate payer and the council’s employees.
    To pay the rates to pay for the now safe council employees, it was necessary to join a long queue outside the Post Office.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan, who broke stories about abuse in the Catholic church for ABC TV programs 7.30 and Four Corners says her award-winning book Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of George Pell will not be withdrawn from sale.

    “Nothing happens to my book,” Milligan told Guardian Australia. “It speaks for itself. 

    Um, what?
    If it contains any absolute statements like “and then Pell roped the choir boy” Melbourne University Press will be in deep legal shit if it continues to sell it.

  192. Nick

    Ahh, so now the media ask questions:

    The Age and the Herald asked Ms Judd why she refused to discontinue the charges once evidence emerged raising doubt about whether the cathedral offences could have taken place as described.

    A spokesman for Ms Judd declined to comment.

  193. Peter the old fossil

    Quite possibly the same reason, Numbers. As are a lot of others, I suspect.
    The difference is the rest of us accept our pasts, warts and all.
    We neither need, nor want, somebody else to shoulder the burden of our lives. Or the blame.

    You, on the other hand, are an emotional cripple, constantly needing the attention of others to justify your rather pointless, pathetic, miserable existence.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Milligan’s book.
    As vandalism is all the go to express one’s views on this matter at the moment, perhaps a little in-store editing is in order.

  195. The Beer Whisperer

    You are clearly dealing with idiots without the capacity to comprehend. They believe Italy, Spain, UK, US, France are all aberrations, that there is nothing to worry about at all. They believe their money is more important than lives.

    Funny, I never heard any old people say the depression was worth saving a single life.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Rise and Fall of George Pell will not be withdrawn from sale.
    “Nothing happens to my book,” Milligan told Guardian Australia. “It speaks for itself.

    Ah so, it’s been shifted to the fiction and fantasy section then?

  197. Crossie

    Just caught the last bit of an interview on Sky with some guy from AFR who thinks the way for the economy to recover after this crisis is to broaden the GST. I suspect what it really means is raise the rate. This might help the government but can’t see how it helps the economy for everyone to pay more.

  198. Dr Faustus

    The Shadow DPP winces, then straightens the line:

    The ABC is re-editing, and will then restore online its documentary series Revelation, which includes previously unheard details of allegations against Cardinal George Pell the broadcaster has confirmed.

    Professor Mark Pearson, a media law expert from Griffith University, says the biggest danger for the media lay in defaming Pell beyond what he had been convicted of.

    “Once someone has been acquitted any new material would need to be defensible on the grounds of truth which is a very difficult defence to prove because of the need for evidence and the fact that you’d need to prove the truth of the imputations.

    Good use of public funds.
    Tippy top.

  199. Tom

    Jim Acosta is Numbers in Washington — the dumbest troll in the Get Trump White House press zoo, with a dozen attempted gotcha questions a day, making a spectacle of himself like the infant who smears the toilet bowl with his own faeces to get attention.

    Look at me, look at me, look at me! Just like Numbers.

    Thank God that’s over.

  200. The Beer Whisperer

    Boambee John
    #3401703, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:23 am
    “Both my parents never voted for Menzies in their lives, both before and after the war,”

    Strange sentence construction from the pedantic pedanty pedant.

    Suggest “Neither of my parents ever voted …” might be easier to understand.

    Numbnuts teaches for a living.

    Let that sink in.

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    Should there be repeats of yesterday’s protests at St. Pat’s, I trust Melbourne Lord Mayor Sally Capp will be at hand, ready to step into the breach.

    Striding into the baying mob and ‘using my mother’s voice’ to reinforce social distancing regs should restore order nicely.

  202. Snoopy

    NSW Minister Don Harwin to be fined $1000 by Police for visiting his country retreat.

    Hoist on his own retard:

    Ms Berejiklian said Mr Harwin had been at his Pearl Beach residence for several weeks for health reasons, but conceded “the perception is horrible”.

    The Premier said Mr Harwin had not broken any rules because he went to his holiday house before NSW’s tough social-distancing shutdown was announced last month.

    Will Harwin’s fine be for unnecessary travel back to Sydney during the lockdown at the behest of Beryl Jiklian?

  203. Digger

    Egg.. the fuckwit to end all fuckwits

    The fvckwit/sock who gloated about an alleged $100k Landcruiser deal amidst a pandemic a few days ago.
    Self awareness = zero.

    Yes you brain dead tool… I had ordered my Landcruiser without needing to rely on a pandemic. You are one of the dickheads who I would take to the cleaners for your condescending bullshit about the good people making extremely hard decisions to save your worthless arse. I wouldn’t be so gracious as them. I would smash you straight out… fuckwit.

  204. Crossie

    “Once someone has been acquitted any new material would need to be defensible on the grounds of truth which is a very difficult defence to prove because of the need for evidence and the fact that you’d need to prove the truth of the imputations.

    Just remember, these people teach communication students, aka aspiring journalistic mob, what they can and can’t do to the unsuspecting public.

  205. Leigh Lowe

    The Age and the Herald asked Ms Judd why she refused to discontinue the charges once evidence emerged raising doubt about whether the cathedral offences could have taken place as described.

    A spokesman for Ms Judd declined to comment.

    The case was probably always destined to fail anyway,
    but the delicious irony of this did occur to me.
    That is, a beneficiary of SJW politics is promoted to DPP because she is a sheila and then stands before the HC full bench and puts the final nails in the coffin of the left’s biggest ever culture wars case using nothing but her boundless incompetence.
    It was the equivalent of Collingwood going into a Grand Final against Carlton with Long John Silver at centre half forward.

  206. twostix

    Coming from a man who is in his early seventies, this is beyond shameful.

    Certain boomer men were the prototypes to the estrogen poisoned bug men of our generation.

    I think their fathers generation called them “mummy’s boys”.

    Imagine the non stop whinging we’ve had to endure from these fags for 30+ years. It stems from their inability to ever live up to their dads generation at any level, they felt very emasculated and so clung to their mums and became emotional she-men.

    Sad.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    Ah so, it’s been shifted to the fiction and fantasy section then?

    I went into the local Collins bookshop yesterday.
    None of Milligan’s work on offer.
    But I did move five copies of “Fallen” over into the fiction section.

  208. feelthebern

    The sales of Milligan’s book from Wednesday on are trackable.
    I imagine the number will not move.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Ha ha.
    I wonder if it is an offence to go to a bookstore and insert the following note in Milligan’s books ay about page 50.
    “I HAVE COVID-19 (WUHAN FLU).
    I HAVE LICKED THE COVER OF THIS BOOK.
    ENJOY”

  210. feelthebern

    Has it dawned on people that Milligan is really stupid?
    From the interviews I’ve seen her give, it’s clear she isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
    I reckon an IQ of circa 90.
    Maybe even some form of retardation.

  211. Roger

    “Once someone has been acquitted any new material would need to be defensible on the grounds of truth which is a very difficult defence to prove because of the need for evidence and the fact that you’d need to prove the truth of the imputations.”

    Prove the truth of the imputations, you say?

    How bothersome.

  212. Anthony

    Your taxes at work:
    Revelation – the regurgitation of already discarded lies about George Pell, published by someone’s ABC; the publication of a work of fiction by MUP (author claims that it’s been written from the ‘complainant’s viewpoint whoever the fuck that it or what that means).
    Some old style communist is in charge of MUP and the former editor of some women’s weekly is in charge of the ABC – go figure!

  213. The Beer Whisperer

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) wasted over $160 million on his failed presidential campaign, according to the latest federal election records.

    Like all true socialists, he did it with other people’s money.

  214. Infidel Tiger King

    The government needs to unload a few dozen cruise ships on these latest numbers.

    A complete disaster. They’ve destroyed the economy for a generation for a virus no one actually has.

  215. Digger

    lol.
    Let your mummy dry your tears. She’ll tell you she doesn’t want millions of young families destroyed financially and little children to suffer growing up poor for her sake.

    No. This is about you, passive aggressive like a woman.

    Fucking child. Just STFU… It is fucking brain dead idiots like you who see nothing about what is happening around the world and ignore the relative good results in this country because the governments, collectively have done and continue to do the right thing… you clearly only want some of your equally brain dead mates to think you are clever..

    That statement shows what situational awareness you have, your fucking idiot. You want to see those kids dead or their parents, dead for the sake of a lousy dollar and your moronic statement that they will grow up starving just highlights your innate stupidity…

    Tell us what input you have had to addressing this pandemic except your childish belittling of those who have actually made tough decisions ..Fuckwit

  216. custard

    Todays daily Trump “how to handle” FakeNews media instalment was noteable particularly when Trump goaded the room in asking “Why hasn’t Obama endorsed Sleepy Joe”.

    He went on to say [words to the effect] “he knows”, “I know why” “go and check” “you’ll find out” etc ..

    LOL

  217. Old School Conservative

    Ray Hadley hasn’t mentioned Bolt’s “Coward” charge this morning so I’ll switch off now.
    However he did raise the emails he’d received asking if the Cardinal’s car trip from Melbourne to Sydney was “essential travel”.
    How stupid. The man had just been released from prison and had to get to a home, but no mention of that from Ray.
    It was instructive that Goulburn Police refused to help the Cardinal get rid of the reptiles of the press who were stalking him all the way from melbourne.
    “Not our job”. Bullshit.

  218. twostix

    Yes you brain dead tool… I had ordered my Landcruiser without needing to rely on a pandemic. You are one of the dickheads who I would take to the cleaners for your condescending bullshit about the good people making extremely hard decisions to save your worthless arse. I wouldn’t be so gracious as them. I would smash you straight out… fuckwit.

    Oh.

    So a 100k car for you, poverty for us.

    Ok boomer
    .

  219. BorisG

    A picture tells thousand words

  220. Old School Conservative

    Has it dawned on people that Milligan is really stupid?

    Probably the reason she won’t answer Hendo’s questions. Simply passes them on to Louise Adler at MUP.
    Not being able to answer questions about your own book? Priceless.

  221. Megan

    Appeals to authority don’t go down well with people who can actually use their intellect to think for themselves, Digger old son. Appropriate name, by the way, you’d have to dig a very long way to find any functioning neurons if your efforts this morning are the best you can do.

  222. twostix

    That statement shows what situational awareness you have, your fucking idiot. You want to see those kids dead or their parents, dead for the sake of a lousy dollar and your moronic statement that they will grow up starving just highlights your innate stupidity…

    🤣

    “Situational awareness”.

    What a fag.

    And looky here, a boomer who just plunked down 100k on a 4wd calls everyone who are being thrown out of their jobs and having businesses destroyed money hungry.

    Peak Boomer when?

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Has it dawned on people that Milligan is really stupid?

    Must be incredibly stupid if she thinks a book containing absolute statements of guilt can remain on sale after a conviction is quashed.
    Remember her petulance at having to recover and decipher her “meticulous notes” for one of the earlier gearings?
    Really busy.
    Very tedious.
    Not quite as tedious as spending 400 days in the slot, but there you go.

  224. The Beer Whisperer

    A picture tells thousand words

    “Limited testing and challenges in the attribution
    of the cause of death means that the number of
    confirmed deaths may not be an accurate count
    of the true number of deaths from COVID-19”

    Boris, this is your best own goal yet.

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