Who needs evidence? If we say it, it’s true. Right?

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62 Responses to Who needs evidence? If we say it, it’s true. Right?

  1. feelthebern

    For the record, Louise Milligan did not blow half of VicPol and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.

  2. H B Bear

    Suddenly there is a need for evidence?

  3. H B Bear

    What about ma feelz?

  4. Mother Lode

    Silly trout.

    The irony would go straight over her head.

  5. What an odd thing to deny if you have not been publicly accused of doing so.

    PS

    Did Ray Hadley and Vivian Waller title this post?

  6. Mother Lode

    Also, she cannot be considered innocent of colluding with police unless she can prove she didn’t.

    According to that seething pit of student politics for which she works (and which touts her tragic trouty tomes) the HC saying Pell is not guilty is not the same as saying he is innocent. Apparently that requires its own proof.

  7. I see the ABC is running interference claiming that Pell got off on a tricky legal question and how his defence team persuaded the High Court ffs! Next they will campaign on the need to introduce a few reporters onto the High Court bench. Gotta hand it to them, they never give up.

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    Maybe the second or third jury could decide if that evidence is convincing or not.

    Pell’s accuser now admits there wasn’t enough evidence:

    The complainant in the George Pell sex abuse case has accepted the High Court’s decision to unanimously free the cardinal, arguing he understands the view there was a lack of evidence.

  9. Spinner

    Must be a battle to read her book. The grammar would be all over the place. She seems to be saying, “There is no evidence that I have not colluded with Victoria Police”. Or is it “There is evidence I have not colluded with Victoria Police”. So what is her true position on evidence and her motives?

  10. Mother Lode

    The complainant in the George Pell sex abuse case has accepted the High Court’s decision to unanimously free the cardinal, arguing he understands the view there was a lack of evidence.

    Oh. He is a complainant now. Not a ‘victim’.

    Baby steps.

    And perhaps a few soiled nappies.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    For the record, again, I have not colluded with Victoria Police and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere

    Can someone on Twatter ask her:-
    “But it is possible you colluded, right?
    I mean there must have been a few 5-6 minute windows of time when you were alone together.
    It is therefore open to us to conclude that you did.”

  12. Tintarella di Luna

    This travesty is an indelible stain on the credibility of the ABC something lacking since the days of Dame Leonie Kramer

  13. H B Bear

    Ita’s very quiet.

    Maybe she is self-isolating.

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    Ita is no Dame Leonie Kramer

  15. min

    Well the police really did try when they advertised for complainants . When a case did get to court was Pell judged by his peers , that is the jury ? Jury selection eliminates his peers , it would be interesting to see who gets on juries these days certainly not psychologists , lawyers smart educated people who might sway the jury. Only those who have time to give an uncertain amount of time to their civic duty and have enough money to survive whilst serving.

  16. areff

    For the record, Louise Milligan did not blow half of VicPol and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.

    That’s only the filling from the morning’s sixth creme bun dribbling down Fatso’s chin.

    Music she relishes

  17. Major Elvis Newton

    Milligan is a grub. A lawsuit for defamation should keep her and her employer busy.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ita’s very quiet.

    Maybe she is self-isolating.

    Cleaning out her desk after accepting responsibility for the A.B.C,’ s part in the “Get Pell” witch hunt?

  19. hzhousewife

    If Ita had any guts she would have resigned yesterday at latest. Actually, she should never have taken on the mission.

  20. Archivist

    This whole thing is just asking for Simpsons memes.
    Bart Simpson:
    I didn’t do it! Nobody saw me do it! There’s no way you can prove anything!

  21. AC

    Surely the witches book is grounds for defamation proceedings?

  22. Graham

    If the Minister for the ABC, Paul Fletcher, had any balls – which he does not being the worst sort of weak left wing Liberal (and I have known him since he was a university student) – he would announce a public inquiry into the dealings between the ABC and Victoria Police in relation to the Cardinal Pell cases. It is clearly in the public interest for the people of Australia to know whether or not the ABC has been party to improper conduct which may tend to pervert the course of justice.

    I can think of no-one better to conduct such a public enquiry than the Hon Dyson Heydon QC.

    I am sure Ms Milligan would find that a suitable forum to demonstrate that her claim in her tweet is accurate.

  23. tombell

    It’s like it has been set up to attack the ABC due to convenience of these judges by overriding the guilty verdict on a law technicality. Very suss.

    for my sins I couldn’t help but look at some of the comments on her Twitter feed. the above is fairly typical. apparently the bedrock principle that a man is presumed innocent unless his guilt is proved beyond a reasonable doubt is now regarded as a “technicality”. what world do these people inhabit?

    and about 80% of the tweet responders are wimin who are either public servants, work in “health” ,identify as lefties or are Gaia theorists.

  24. areff

    Paul Fletcher’s office #: (02) 6277 7480

  25. dopey

    ABC TV News. Seems like there’s no time available this morning to discuss the case.

  26. Don’t forget Tim Minchin’s song. Has he begun writing his apology song yet?

  27. Rob MW

    For the record, again, I have not colluded with Victoria Police and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.

    — Louise Milligan (@Milliganreports) April 7, 2020

    I don’t care Luv. If it is all the same to you, I’ll condemn you using the same rationale that you falsely condemned another human being. Now go check your book for potential legal liability, have fun with that Luv.

  28. nb

    Rasputin, #3399572, posted on April 8, 2020 at 9:14 am:
    ‘I see the ABC is running interference claiming that Pell got off on a tricky legal question’
    The decision does not apply a technicality. It applies the fundamental principle for determining innocence or guilt in criminal law – reasonable doubt. I really wish the ABC would stop trying to be an alternative government with alternative rules.
    For the judgment itself go to this High Court site and download the PDF:
    http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/downloadPdf/2020/HCA/12
    The judgment is worth reading.

  29. Radman

    Dear Louise,

    I see you

    I hear you

    I don’t believe you

  30. Terry

    Rasputin
    #3399572, posted on April 8, 2020 at 9:14 am
    ‘tricky legal question’
    Yep. “Presumed Innocent”. “Beyond a reasonable doubt” – so tricky.
    No surprise regular consumers of TheirABC high-sugar diet cannot grasp the concepts – Zombies.

  31. Nick

    From Sinc’s link about Jesus:

    No-one wants to live in a society where people can be imprisoned without due and proper process.

    “This is a basic civil liberty. But the price we weigh for weighting the system in favour of the accused is that many sexual offences against children go unpunished.”

    There you have a view shared by many of the Left, it doesn’t matter a jot if an innocent man is convicted so long as in the longer run, those who have offended are punished.

    We should let this rule of law cover all sorts of things and wait for the squeals of indignity.

  32. Milligan and her mates at their ABC are now pushing the “technicality” line. I would think there is a management edict to now be adhered to by the national broadcaster’s seemingly endless supply of talking heads.

  33. Terry

    ‘their ABC’
    Okay. Shut it down now. We’ve had quite enough and we now have far better things to spend money on.

  34. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Milligan and her mates at their ABC are now pushing the “technicality” line.

    The technicality being that the “allegations” should never have made into a court in the first place.

    Zero evidence and the physical impossibility of the alleged assaults taking place also being some other regrettable “technicalities”.

    Still, you won’t have to worry about any of those concepts when your beloved stasi state is vomited into existence, will you?

  35. BorisG

    Okay. Shut it down now.

    Not going to happen and you all know it.

    But it is a good moment where ABC is exposing itself and many people outside of hard core conservative circles see what the ABC has become. Hopefully this also causes some shift in the government position.

  36. Rob MW

    Milligan and her mates at their ABC are now pushing the “technicality” line.

    Running their defence in a public forum only provides further ammunition to any claim of liability. Doesn’t seem that shutting the fuck up has been circulated yet.

  37. cuckoo

    “In regard to charges of colluding with Vicpol, Louise Milligan has always maintained her innocence.” Read that out in a dripping-with-irony ABC voice.

  38. duncanm

    I think it centres around one particular ex copper. Mr Doug Smith.

  39. the sting

    The Police Commissioner and two of those ”Judges” on the Appeals Court , if they are honorable , must resign .

  40. areff

    Re Milligan’s “collusion” (a telling choice of words) with VicPol, this paper by the tireless Chris Friel is well worth downloading (as are all his Pell investigations and critiques):

    https://www.academia.edu/38849150/Was_Doug_Smith_Milligans_Source

    Footnote 5: “Surprisingly – or perhaps not so surprisingly Milligan NEVER tweets about Doug Smith, yet he was heading the police operation that at the time was involved in the most significant story of Milligan’s career – and she tells us that the “police” yielded no information despite her requests. In fact, in the tweets of @MilliganReports we just find one reference to “Sano.” This is in October 2016, seven months after Smith has retired from Victoria Police, and concerns the decision to send three detectives to Rome to interview Pell.

    In other words, Milligan’s silence on Doug Smith and Sano is the dog that didn’t bark.

  41. Terry

    ‘if they are honorable’…charges would never have been laid, any court case thrown out and, failing that, any appeal upheld.

    Alas, they have “status” in the corrupt failed state of Victoriastan; a cesspit of injustice that has just been told to go fuck itself by the HCA.

    Oh, well. Back to fining L-platers I suppose. Da machine’s gotta feed.

    Looking forward to Chairman Dan’s increased majority at the next ballot (should he see fit to allow it), where the most Leftarded vote-herd in the country doubles down for even more Socialist Utopia.

  42. stackja

    Ray Hadley and Alan Jones feud over George Pell case
    An almighty stoush erupted today involving top-rating radio hosts Ray Hadley and Alan Jones over Cardinal George Pell, who’s been acquitted of child sexual abuse.

    Matthew Benns, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    April 8, 2020 9:28am

    The long running feud between radio hosts Alan Jones and Ray Hadley erupted into open warfare on the airwaves this morning.

    Hadley blasted Jones for “poorly researched rubbish” on his breakfast show and said only “good taste” prevented him saying more.

    The outspoken morning show presenter furiously attacked Jones over an interview he had with The Daily Telegraph’s columnist Andrew Bolt.

    Bolt had appeared on the breakfast show with Jones and said: “I need Ray Hadley to apologise now, I was very hurt, he did a rant calling me creepy accusing me of creepy behaviour for defending George Pell.”

    Jones told Bolt: “I am sure in his heart of hearts he regrets those comments as well.”

    But Hadley responded angrily saying he had not called him creepy for defending Cardinal Pell but for his comments about a boy who had been abused. “I won’t be apologising to Bolt,” he said.

    “I never said the words attributed to me in relation to George Pell, no one asked me from that radio program this morning whether I said those words, that’s poorly researched rubbish,” he said.

    “For the attack on me this morning on my own network, to say I am disappointed yes I am,” he said. “Am I surprised, no I am not.”

  43. Simple Simon

    about 80% of the tweet responders are wimin who are either public servants, work in “health” ,identify as lefties or are Gaia theorists

    In other words, the same people who have got the country closed, multitudes thrown out of work, Draconian arrogations of power to government, social hysteria, and panic buying unseen at any previous time in our history, and all over infections and deaths so limited that they don’t even register as statistical noise over average rates of infection or death.

    As in everything else the Sisterhood gets it wrong. This country does not suffer from ‘toxic masculinity’; it suffers from an excess of ‘toxic femininity’, where everyone (except men) and everything is an infant to be protected from all risk (especially that represented by men and maleness) by long-suffering and selfless women. That, and male ‘leaders’ lacking the moral courage to stand up to these virago vandals.

  44. thefrollickingmole

    For the record, again, I have not colluded with Victoria Police and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.

    — Louise Milligan (@Milliganreports) April 7, 2020

    Well you will have no problems spending 100s of thousands of dollars and years of your life defending that statement in court then.
    Then going through multiple trials before being imprisoned for over a year before being released.

    Fairs fair.

    Also Marr has swallowed his bile and written a piece on the judgement.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/07/george-pells-supporters-will-rage-but-will-rome-join-in-david-marr

    But he cant resist a dig anyway at those awful supporters or even about while Pell, as a parish priest didn’t make institutional changes to the Catholic Church heirachy.

    Pell is innocent of these charges. By the ultimate authority we recognise in this country, he was wrongly imprisoned. He has issued a statement offering Christian forgiveness to his tormentors. He can leave it now to his supporters to rage on his behalf. It is going to be a mighty storm. Category Five.

    What will be very interesting to watch is whether Rome joins the celebrations.

    Further work awaits Pell’s lawyers and further bills for his supporters to pay. Victims’ lawyers claim eight civil suits at least are under way to make the church pay for Pell’s alleged failures to protect them from paedophiles.

    And as early as today, we will discover, at last, the royal commission’s verdict on the career that took a Ballarat priest who noticed so little about these crimes on his home turf all the way to the highest echelons of the Vatican.

  45. nfw

    Technicality? That would be the lack of overwhelming evidence producing more than that required for benefit of reasonable doubt. If the HC of Aussie overturns a conviction it is as if the trial never took place. I wait to see her analysis of Joe Ukraine and China Biden and Bill Clinton. But lefties have different standards for their own don’t they, eg the mass murderers Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mugabe, Castro, Che the Child killer Guevara, et al.

  46. duncanm

    Simple Simon
    #3399827, posted on April 8, 2020 at 11:23 am

    …. This country does not suffer from ‘toxic masculinity’; it suffers from an excess of ‘toxic femininity’,

    aka a complete lack of rationality. Decisions are driven by the feels.

  47. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    What will be very interesting to watch is whether Rome joins the celebrations.

    Here you go, Marr, you stupid insufferable narcissistic invincibly ignorant twat.

    I’m no Catholic, but it seems to me that the individual making the statement might just happen to represent your figurative “Rome”.

  48. Bear Necessities

    For the legal types here.

    Would any complainant in a civil case involving Pell get anonymity like a criminal case for a matter involving alleged sexual assault/harassment etc?

  49. Terry

    ‘For the record, again, I have not colluded with Victoria Police and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.’

    — Louise Milligan (@Milliganreports) April 7, 2020

    Perhaps, we could offer an all-expenses-paid holiday to Barwon for 405 days while we search for evidence to prove the impossibility that she did in fact collude. It would cost no more than what we’re currently flushing away on her coddled existence.

    Tell ya what. Let’s start today and we’ll get back to you when we find something.

  50. Terry

    @Spurgeon Monkfish III
    ‘stupid insufferable narcissistic invincibly ignorant twat.’
    You got that straight from its LinkedIn profile didn’t you.

    These are the special code words you need to answer criterion 1 for employment at TheirABC.

  51. Perfidious Albino

    I would very much like Michael Smith to now make it his life’s mission to establish the collusion between Milligan and VicPol. Every touch leaves a trace…

  52. John A

    Simple Simon #3399827, posted on April 8, 2020 at 11:23 am

    about 80% of the tweet responders are wimin who are either public servants, work in “health” ,identify as lefties or are Gaia theorists


    As in everything else the Sisterhood gets it wrong. This country does not suffer from ‘toxic masculinity’; it suffers from an excess of ‘toxic femininity’, where everyone (except men) and everything is an infant to be protected from all risk (especially that represented by men and maleness) by long-suffering and selfless women. That, and male ‘leaders’ lacking the moral courage to stand up to these virago vandals.

    Not “toxic femininity” but “toxic FEMINISM” an ideology first and an attitude second.

  53. John A

    nfw #3399831, posted on April 8, 2020 at 11:23 am

    Technicality? That would be the lack of overwhelming evidence producing more than that required for benefit of reasonable doubt. If the HC of Aussie overturns a conviction it is as if the trial never took place.

    Not quite, nfw.

    They did not set the clock back to before the trial, but to after the trial, and rendered the decision that should have been made originally. They did not send it back for re-trial which is what your statement “as if the trial never took place” infers.

    Their Honours no doubt took up the detailed dissenting judgement of Weinstein AJ, and effectively retried the case, coming to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell is to be acquitted.

    Thus he can never be tried on those charges ever again.

  54. Cynic of Ayr

    Barry Cassidy begs to differ!
    Barry, “Well, Louise, lack of evidence doesn’t prove you are innocent.”

  55. feelthebern

    Louise Milligan

    @Milliganreports
    For the record, again, I was not double teamed by Victoria Police and there is no evidence to show that, anywhere.

  56. David

    By the Vic Police no less – The Bold Gendarmes Duet – watch and enjoy

  57. Lee

    “This is a basic civil liberty. But the price we weigh for weighting the system in favour of the accused is that many sexual offences against children go unpunished.”

    Anyone who believes that it is quite okay for some innocent people to be found guilty of such a dreadful crime, just so we can scoop up some of the guilty ones, thoroughly deserves to be hoist with his (or her) own petard.
    I find that sort of attitude evil beyond belief.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    From Marr’s article:-

    What will be very interesting to watch is whether Rome joins the celebrations.

    Didn’t take long for Marr’s hopes of a Vatican cold shoulder to be dashed.
    Pope Fonzi’s pointed tweet about persecution and wrongful imprisonment was out before the ink was dry on Marr’s poison pen piece.

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