Lisa Neville has full confidence in goat rodeo

Victoria’s Police Minister says she’s “incredibly disappointed” by criticism on the handling of the George Pell case after the state opposition called the High Court acquittal an “embarrassment” to the legal system.

Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system.

“There is a very robust process to get from A to Z in terms of whether you prosecute … whether you charge,” she said.

The Australian

A very robust process I’ll have you all know.

  • Is his name ‘George’?
  • Is he Catholic?
  • Is he a conservative?
  • Will this distract from the Lawyer X scandal?
  • Will this distract from 258,000 falsified breath tests?
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85 Responses to Lisa Neville has full confidence in goat rodeo

  1. sabena

    So it’s not an embarrassment that Pell was falsely convicted?

  2. Mother Lode

    Who would have guessed the old geezer would have survived long enough in prison for the HC to hand down a ruling.

    It was never supposed to get this far.

    He was supposed to die with the stigma of guilt and been forgotten.

  3. Burnt Stump

    I read somewhere that other prisoners cheered when Cardinal Pell was released. How much of the cheer was for Cardinal Pell as an individual as opposed to a prisoner winning in the system. Makes me wonder how many blokes are in that prison after being fitted up by police.

  4. Tim Neilson

    Fans of the Arsenal soccer team in England are in the habit of chanting, after a hard fought win, “one nil to the Arsenal!”

    For devotees of the rule of law in Australia it’s:
    “Seven nil to the Cardinal!”

  5. feelthebern

    Will this distract from 258,000 falsified breath tests?

    Eh, tell me more about this.

  6. Mother Lode

    I read somewhere that other prisoners cheered when Cardinal Pell was released.

    Mind you, the sound of praying late into the night might have been driving them nuts.

    Seriously though I get the feeling that good people are able to get through to the most horrible ones – there is simply nothing about them that triggers any of their aggressive reflexes but instead listen patiently, with compassion, and give hope.

    I imagine other prisoners held Pell in warm regard and been glad on his behalf, especially as they would be sure they would remain in his mind and prayers.

  7. iggie

    I wonder if police even contemplated the idea of sending a couple of ‘plain clothes’ to a solemn mass to quietly check out what happens and how busy it would be around the areas of interest.
    Maybe a couple of times just to make sure.

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    Brexit happened.
    Trump won.
    Scomo won.
    Boris won.
    Pell is free.

    Reality must be very tough for our left-wing friends.

  9. Gerry

    Will it distract from Labour politicians being told not to cooperate with police ? Will it distract from police standing by as gangs of youths wreck houses ? Will it distract from police standing by as Antifa thugs bash citizens ? Will it distract from police standing by as citizens try to disarm a mad driver who later kills many in the CBD ?

  10. feelthebern

    Awww sheeeeit.
    How can VicPol keep going?
    Shut it down.

  11. feelthebern

    Boris won.

    He’s not left wing?

  12. Sinclair Davidson

    He’s not left wing?

    He’s a commie – but he isn’t their commie.

  13. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sinclair Davidson
    #3402066, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:18 pm
    Brexit happened.
    Trump won.
    Scomo won.
    Boris won.
    Pell is free.

    Reality must be very tough for our left-wing friends.”

    Yes Sinc..but I will only be truly happy in November of this year when Trump is re-elected.

  14. John A

    “There is a very robust process to get from A to Z in terms of whether you prosecute … whether you charge,” she said.

    Well, Minister, you might want to explain to us all why your Police heavies had to circumvent that process to get the case into court when the DPP consistently refused to take it on.

  15. a happy little debunker

    When the DPP refused to proceed, why did this ‘very robust process’ allow the police to prosecute?
    How did Operation Tethering circumvent this ‘very robust process’ for 2 years before a complainant was even found?
    Why did former Police Commissioner present falsehoods to state Parliament over the processes agreed to between the Police and the Church as part of the Melbourne response & how was this ‘very robust process’ violated for political gain?
    Why was Pell informed of a brief of evidence, being queried by police (in Rome), that did not match the actual questions asked by the Police if this was a ‘very robust process’?
    What role did Milligan play in this ‘very robust process’?
    How did confidential information in this ‘very robust process’ get leaked to the media?
    Why didn’t the prosecutors in this ‘very robust process’ challenge any of the 2o witnesses they called that refuted Pell could have committed this crime?

    I would challenge Lisa Neville to define the following ‘very’, ‘robust’ & ‘process’.

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder if police even contemplated the idea of sending a couple of ‘plain clothes’ to a solemn mass to quietly check out what happens and how busy it would be around the areas of interest.
    Maybe a couple of times just to make sure.

    I would have thought that, together with an examination of Cardinal Pell’s robes, a basic part of any investigation.

  17. John64

    On Tuesday, Despot Dan went as close as he dared to saying that the High Court got it wrong.

    And interviewed by Neil Mitchell this morning; the ringmaster of Ashton’s Circus expressed not a single word of regret or remorse, instead stating that the police prosecution brief was strong and unbelievable opined that ‘it got all the way to the High Court before it was rejected’ (words to that effect, unfortunately can’t find the audio yet).

    To think that us in Victoriastan used to laugh 30 years ago about all the corrupt coppers north of the border ……….

  18. Sinclair Davidson

    To think that us in Victoriastan used to laugh 30 years ago about all the corrupt coppers north of the border

    Yes. Then we brought in what’s-her-name to run Victoria Police.

  19. Mater

    You forgot the Red Shirt Scandal, where Labor MP’s refused to be interviewed by VicPol, after which the case was dropped like a hot spud.

    No wonder she has “full confidence”.

  20. Kneel

    …there is simply nothing about them that triggers any of their aggressive reflexes …

    Furthermore, if they admit to the sin, they are forgiven and told they shouldn’t do it again, as opposed to those who would lock them in the clink and throw away the key, because “bad man”. IOW, not defined for the rest of their life by a mistake that they have no intention of repeating.
    Oh sure, some really bad ones too – but how many are that bad because of no compassion shown to them and being left in the sole company of actual really bad people and told “you belong here”. I know, not easy to know which is which – but you know, presumption of innocence, maybe should also be “presumption of mistake” rather than “presumption of defective personality”.

  21. Zatara

    I wonder if police even contemplated the idea of sending a couple of ‘plain clothes’ to a solemn mass to quietly check out what happens and how busy it would be around the areas of interest.
    Maybe a couple of times just to make sure.

    They wouldn’t have had to do that if any of them were, heaven forbid, Catholic.

  22. Iampeter

    A very robust process I’ll have you all know.

    Is his name ‘George’?
    Is he Catholic?
    Is he a conservative?
    Will this distract from the Lawyer X scandal?
    Will this distract from 258,000 falsified breath tests?

    I think Pell being released on it’s own blows this narrative out of the water.

    If anything this more accurately describes what Pell’s supporters are doing.

    He’s not left wing?

    He’s a commie – but he isn’t their commie.

    Yea, I was gonna say.
    The same goes for everyone on that list. The left isn’t losing or anything.

  23. Bronson

    The Rum Corps is alive and well and operating out of Victoria

  24. duncanm

    Jack the insider with a very important discussion on the guilt of Victoria police over the decades, letting obvious p*do priests off the hook, and making evidence dissapear.

    George Pell appeal: Don’t accept sanitised history of clerical abuse

    We need to understand our history and not accept a sanitised version of it. And there is no time better than now to examine the role of the Catholic Church and the Victoria Police Force who often worked hand in glove to bury their culpability in the most serious of crimes.

    Clearly, one has been more successful with this act of deception than the other. And that needs to change.

    paywall

  25. notafan

    Vicplod involvement in historical abuse cover up well and truly deserves some time in the spotlight.

    It wasn’t just institutional abuse they turned a blind eye to but family abuse, what was and still is the majority.

  26. duncanm

    MONA is closed, but Tim is still on station.

  27. C.L.

    We need to understand our history and not accept a sanitised version of it. And there is no time better than now to examine the role of the Catholic Church and the Victoria Police Force who often worked hand in glove to bury their culpability in the most serious of crimes.

    Yeah – bullshit, Jack.
    Police throughout the country colluded with all denominations (and institutions – like state schools, army etc) to make these cases go away – just as families did.

  28. nb

    ‘Victoria’s Police Minister says she’s “incredibly disappointed” by criticism on the handling of the George Pell case’
    I’m not sure what she is trying to prove by this statement. But what she is proving is that she is clueless. The High Court could not have sent a stronger signal back to Victoria that something is seriously wrong. This Minister is more knowledgeable about the operations of the law than seven High Court judges? Let’s put it kindly: Stupidity does not recognise itself.

  29. Sinclair Davidson

    Jack is being reasonable:

    We understand the Catholic Church’s failings, the miserable felonious business of covering up and moving clerical paedophiles onto other parishes and new groups of unsuspecting victims. What is barely known is the role of the police in facilitating those crimes.

  30. duncanm

    CL – you’re absorbing that quote out of context with a preconceived chip on your shoulder.. Read the whole thing.

  31. Tintarella di Luna

    Makes me wonder how many blokes are in that prison after being fitted up by police.

    Perhaps Lawyer X might have some answers to that one if she lasts long enough – there’s a Royal commission into that at the moment isn’t there but I guess that will never provide any answers and certainly no redress as is the wont of Royal Commissions.

  32. C.L.

    No chip; just the facts. I’m afraid Jack is still giving undue emphasis to the Catholic Church and that’s incorrect. As the RC showed, children were safer in the Catholic Church than other denominations’ institutions, pro rata. Masonic-dominated police covered up for Anglicans and Methodists for decades. He might mean well – pointing to the hypocrisy of Victoria Police (historically) – but he’s still locking in a false presumption that’s part of the problem.

  33. Roger

    “There is a very robust process to get from A to Z in terms of whether you prosecute … whether you charge,” she said.

    The HC – which ought to know – says it wasn’t followed.

    File under ‘we are governed by idiots.’

  34. H B Bear

    If Victoriastan wasn’t already a Marxist state you would expect her to resign.

    She will take her place in Cabinet as if nothing has happened.

  35. Tim Neilson

    I think Pell being released on it’s own blows this narrative out of the water.

    Poor old logic fail.

    The critique is of the criminal justice system in Victoria.

    The High Court is not part of that system (except in the sense – irrelevant to the critique – that people like Cardinal Pell can get an external view from outside Victoria by going to the High Court).

    Even the two Victorian judges on the Court, Michelle Gordon (originally from WA anyway) and Geoff Nettle, had no significant criminal law practice before going to the bench.

    So the High Court’s decision tells us nothing about the state of the criminal law system in Victoria.

    Poor old logic fail, hopelessly wrong again.

  36. Craig Mc

    Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system.

    Of course she does. Not a single ALP MP charged or convicted.

  37. Tintarella di Luna

    Seriously though I get the feeling that good people are able to get through to the most horrible ones – there is simply nothing about them that triggers any of their aggressive reflexes but instead listen patiently, with compassion, and give hope.

    Mother Lode Alexander Solzhenitsyen when he was in the Gulag observed that those who had religious faith fared better than those that didn’t. I read something the other day about a in Romania who survived some of the most unspeakable torture but would not betray and the seven bishop martyrs of Romania beatified last year and of course St Maximillian Kolbe – people of unshakeable faith in God.

  38. Tintarella di Luna

    She would say that wouldn’t she, was she wearing a red shirt at the time?

  39. John Brumble

    I don’t think you quite mean that, Tim. The High Court’s decision tells us a lot about the Victorian criminal law system: i.e. that there are significant systemic issues.

    What I think you mean is that the outcome of the High Court decision doesn’t tell us anything about the Victorian criminal law system.

  40. the sting

    I am disappointed that the Opposition Leader did not use some stronger words than ” embarrassment ” . He should be calling for the resignation of the Police Commissioner now . Others on this site may be able to say if a case exists to charge certain police officers with perverting the course of justice .

  41. C.L.

    I agree, Sting.
    This is WAY beyond ’embarrassing.’
    This was a criminal scheme to pervert the course of justice.

  42. John Brumble

    Can you imagine the screams from Labor had the political landscape been reversed?

  43. Tim Neilson

    What I think you mean is that the outcome of the High Court decision doesn’t tell us anything about the Victorian criminal law system.

    Yes, clarification accepted.

  44. John Comnenus

    Not one VIC MP, not any Federal ones, has shown any sympathy to an innocent man who had his life destroyed by the thoroughly corrupt Victorian Police and the utterly incompetent Victorian Judiciary.

    These politicians, including SCOMAO, have shown their utter lack of character and empathy for a decent and innocent man who bore his unjust burden with enormous dignity and humility.

  45. Morsie

    No attempt at an argument by her simply disappointment someone has criticised the police.
    Pathetic by both sides of politics in this state.

  46. dover_beach

    I reported Ashton being interviewed by Mitchell on 3AW on the OP. He had no regrets but he sounded utterly defeated. Further, given the revelations of the current RC, why would anyone for the moment take any senior police officer at their word? I certain my won’t.

  47. Old Lefty

    I expect that most people here would have many disagreements with Frank Brennan, but his interview on Sky News was superb – mapping the deviousness and duplicity not only of the police but also of the DPP. And Andrews’ latest performance practically confirms that the whole thing was a political stitch-up run from Spring Street.

  48. Tel

    Can you imagine the screams from Labor had the political landscape been reversed?

    Suppose if the police had chosen to go after Peanut Head and he was found guilty on the say-so of a single witness with no opportunity to establish an alibi. Then eventually after more than a year in jail it was overturned by the High Court. How would the ABC report on that?

  49. Old Lefty

    And I’ll bet that Deputy Commissioner Patton, who oversaw the charade for Ashton, is already moving his things into the Commissioner’s office ahead of Ashton’s retirement.

  50. Remember the Pell prosecution was riddled with crimes.

    The false accuser changed his complaint to police three times.

    The DPP and police used a heavily edited and out of context phone tap as “evidence”.

    Fatty Ashton lied to a Royal Commission.

    I’d even be suspicious of the magistrate for allowing a trial after Jay perjured himself during the committal, and be highly suspect of Kidd when he did not let the false accuser’s mental state be known to the triers of fact.

  51. JC

    Frank

    Did you see the pic of the magistrate with Milligan and an ABC flunky after the preliminary hearing. … in the ABC studios. It’s a fucking scandal.

  52. Cynic of Ayr

    “There is a very robust process to get from A to Z in terms of whether you prosecute … whether you charge,” she said.
    Shit yeah! Just that they totally and completely didn’t follow the process!
    If nothing else, the Vics should be sued for costs.
    The 7-0 decision was not an embarrassment for Andrews and his cops. It was a fucking punch in the face! And they know it, and they know we know it, but being good lefties, the solution is to double down!
    A jailer I knew once said that most inmates were decent enough people. They were just in because they had a bad day. I’m inclined to believe him, because there must be hundreds and hundreds of people go through the jail system in Australia every year, and 99.99% are never mentioned in the papers or on TV.

  53. Lee

    Suppose if the police had chosen to go after Peanut Head and he was found guilty on the say-so of a single witness with no opportunity to establish an alibi. Then eventually after more than a year in jail it was overturned by the High Court. How would the ABC report on that?

    The ABC haven’t even reported on at least two of its own being found guilty of child sex crimes.
    If the ABC didn’t have double standards, they’d have none at all.

  54. Lee

    I think Pell being released on it’s own blows this narrative out of the water.

    Poor old logic fail.
    The critique is of the criminal justice system in Victoria.

    The High Court is not part of that system (except in the sense – irrelevant to the critique – that people like Cardinal Pell can get an external view from outside Victoria by going to the High Court).

    One hundred per cent correct.
    Were it not for the HC – outside of Victorian jurisdiction – Cardinal Pell would still be in jail.

  55. Mother Lode

    I reported Ashton being interviewed by Mitchell on 3AW on the OP. He had no regrets but he sounded utterly defeated.

    Like a wonky donut in a display case, alone, empty inside, yearning to slide off and hide but pinned in place on the absorbent paper with its glaze sweating under the heat lamp.

  56. Iampeter

    Yeah – bullshit, Jack.
    Police throughout the country colluded with all denominations (and institutions – like state schools, army etc) to make these cases go away – just as families did.

    Wait, but I thought the police were out to “get Pell?”

  57. Tim Neilson

    Iamashiteater.

    Get off this site, log onto Centrelink and look for a job.

    I realise that your CV is an unbroken litany of failure and underachievement which will make it hard for you to find employment.

    But there’s a chance that somewhere there’s an opportunity for you to make a small contribution to society, no doubt in a low level way.

    Looking for that opportunity is far more productive than incessantly beclowning yourself here.

  58. Robbo

    Lisa Neville is a fuckwit and it is outrageous that Andrews gave her an important portfolio in his cabinet. She now demonstrates her stupidity by defending the police and the judicial system in Victoria when it is so evident that Pell was fitted up for a crime he did not commit, and indeed a crime which never occurred, by a cabal of Victoria Police, the ABC, The Age and a bunch of lying cowardly nobodies masquerading as journalists and commentators. The time has come for the Andrews Government to clean out the sewer of those despicable rats on the public payroll who participated in that crime and for the Morrison Government to do the same at the ABC.

  59. Tom

    Lisa Neille, my local member, is just the latest ALP time server put in charge of the corrupt walloper industrial complex to oversee half the corruption of Labor governments in the 21 century — the other half being Rob Hulls’ stacking of the judiciary with Labor maaaates as atttorney-general between 1999 and 2010.

    She has no talent and no personality. In other words, she’s a made-to-order party hack like Joan Kirner who’ll have a hospital or state building named after her as reward for keeping her mouth shut about where the party bodies are buried — and Victoria is strewn with them.

    It helps that the Victorian Liberals are totally incompetent, believe in nothing and dutifully take office for four years every couple of decades to clean up the mess in preparation for another Labor dynasty.

  60. Old Lefty

    Here is Andrews still trying to weaponise the case, as he and Hennessy did by rolling out their Stalinist legislation in the seal of confession within 24 hours. If he’s trying to confirm suspicions that the whole thing was a political put-up job, he’s going the right way about it.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/daniel-andrews-asks-pm-to-reveal-redacted-pell-report-in-full-20200408-p54ibd.html

    Daniel Andrews asks PM to reveal redacted Pell report in full
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    April 8, 2020 — 11.49pm

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    Premier Daniel Andrews has asked Prime Minister Scott Morrison to quickly release secret sections of a report on the historical conduct of Cardinal George Pell, in the wake of the senior Catholic’s acquittal on child sex abuse charges.

    The Premier telephoned Mr Morrison on Tuesday night, just hours after the High Court’s decision to quash the cardinal’s conviction and release him from jail, to ask for publication of sections of the report of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.
    Daniel Andrews called Scott Morrison to ask for the redacted royal commission documents on George Pell to be released.

    Daniel Andrews called Scott Morrison to ask for the redacted royal commission documents on George Pell to be released.Credit:Justin McManus

    The sections relate to Cardinal Pell’s handling of allegations of sexual abuse against priests earlier in his career and were left unpublished when the commission reported in September 2017 to avoid prejudice to any of his trials or appeals.

    Victorian prosecutors have told the federal government that there are no current or future court cases that might be prejudiced by the full publication of the report but federal Attorney-General Christian Porter says it may be weeks before the material can be made public.
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    Mr Andrews shrugged off any criticism of Victoria’s courts, whose decisions in the Pell case were overturned dramatically on Tuesday, indicating that there would be no inquiry into the prosecution of the former adviser to the Pope.

    But after the successful appeal to the High Court, which meant Cardinal Pell was acquitted of all charges, the Victorian government says there is no reason why the full and un-redacted report of the royal commission cannot be published.

    State government sources confirmed on Wednesday that the Premier made a personal appeal to the Prime Minister to publish the sealed sections of the report, that cover Cardinal’s Pell’s time working as a “consultor” to Ballarat ­bishop Ronald Mulkearns in the early 1980s.

    The royal commission found Bishop Mulkearns moved serial paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale between parishes despite evidence that the bishop knew Ridsdale was abusing children.

    Mr Porter says he wants to publish the redacted sections of the report, but on Wednesday he said there were other processes to be followed and full publication was likely to be weeks away.

    Mr Andrews also came to the defence on Wednesday of Victoria’s courts, which have been criticised after the High Court overturned both Cardinal Pell’s conviction in the County Court of Victoria and the decision of the state’s Appeals Court to uphold the guilty verdicts.

    “I think that [County Court Chief Judge] Peter Kidd has done his job very well and I think that the justice system has worked,” the Premier said.

    “I’m not making a value judgment on the case but there are court processes and they can ultimately end in the highest court in the land hearing an appeal and deciding one way or the other.

    “That’s what’s occurred here.

    “I have no reason for concern in terms of the processes of justice in our state.”

  61. Tim Neilson

    for four years every couple of decades to clean up the mess in preparation for another Labor dynasty

    Well, that’s their mandate. They haven’t done much to fulfil it this millennium.

  62. Yarpos

    Lisa’s not all bad, she gave him a pass to drive up to Sydney, or are the Special Operations Group chasing him up the Hume and rapeling from black helicopters?

  63. They were, I Am Peter.

    JC and I have outlined a programme of criminality and cosiness.

  64. Tim Neilson

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3402490, posted on April 9, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    Yes.

    But Iamashiteater thinks he’s got a “gotcha” by conflating decades old coverups of priests and lay brothers (along with many others) by the pre-1990’s Irish Catholic permeated VicPol (as acknowledged by C.L. #3402166, posted on April 9, 2020 at 1:01 pm) with the post 2010 Fatty Ashton anti-Catholic witchhunt.

  65. Iampeter

    Poor old logic fail.
    The critique is of the criminal justice system in Victoria.

    Yea exactly. The verdict you agree with is correct, while the verdict you disagree with is corruption.
    It’s almost like Pell supporters have shown a total lack of principles, no regard for the rule of law and have engaged in the very leftist identity politics they are always criticizing.

    I realise that your CV is an unbroken litany of failure and underachievement which will make it hard for you to find employment.

    Struggling at the welfare office with all the big cues are you?
    Comments like yours are always telling. I feel sorry for you.

  66. Iain Russell

    [email protected] has it nailed. ‘If only he’d died, there would be no Fightback’. Big Brutha and Big Momma are upset. The only lower creatures in the Alt Aust zoo than Carlton and Simon FitzPetet is Dan the Dunnycan Man.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    iggie
    #3402065, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:18 pm
    I wonder if police even contemplated the idea of sending a couple of ‘plain clothes’ to a solemn mass to quietly check out what happens and how busy it would be around the areas of interest.
    Maybe a couple of times just to make sure.

    That point was raised by Frank Brennan.
    They deliberately ignored the strict rites and procedures under which these Masses are conducted.
    Why was that?
    I am sure some were afraid this might sink their Golden Boy’s case.
    Others probably dismissed it as “why would we bother looking at that religious hocus pocus”.
    Very prescient of the Church back in the 14th century to organise the liturgical rites to afford George an alibi.

  68. Tim Neilson

    Struggling at the welfare office with all the big cues are you?
    Comments like yours are always telling. I feel sorry for you.

    Actually no. Nor with any queues either. I’m one of the very lucky ones who remains gainfully employed. You could have found that out by doing an iota of internet research before sneering – but why break the habit of a lifetime?

    The verdict you agree with is correct, while the verdict you disagree with is corruption.

    Poor old logic fail.

    Yes, I think that the verdict I “agree with” is correct. Presumably even you’re not stupid enough to think that it could be otherwise.
    So I presume that what you mean is that the verdict I’m somehow barracking for is correct. Well, even if it were true that I was somehow barracking for Pell, it wouldn’t have the slightest bearing on the validity of my opinion that the verdict is correct – and you’ve failed to provide one iota of fact or logic to the contrary.

    As for the verdict I “disagree with”, of course I’m not saying that the verdict itself is in any literal sense corruption. But it’s clear that a good deal of “corruption” (not necessarily at all in the financial sense) was behind the whole drive to bring the case before a jury and to ensure that any potential juror was exposed before the trial to as much anti-Pell publicity as possible. Again, you’ve failed to proffer one iota of fact or logic against that view.

    You are unquestionably this site’s number one mindless unthinking tribalist, unable to face a fact or ponder a logical proposition because it might be contrary to your kneejerk emotion-based hatred of anyone who treats your facile absolutist cartoon-like binary dogmatic generalisations with the ridicule and contempt they deserve.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Daniel Andrews called Scott Morrison to ask for the redacted royal commission documents on George Pell to be released.

    If ScoMo had any [email protected] (yeah, I know) he would tell Dickhead Dan that he was thinking about release of the RC stitch-up, but he would like Dan to publicly announce support for a Federal enquiry into VikPol and the Viktorianistan Court system.
    Otherwise … get fucked.

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Another line for ScoMo.

    When you release the unredacted RC report into Gobbo’s shady dealings with VikPol, I will release the Gillard RC report.
    What say you Dan?

  71. notafan

    That consultor story is old.

    We’ve discussed here before.

    Mulkearns didn’t care for Cardinal Pell, for obvious reasons.

    A black and white priest.

    That consultor group might have discussed general church business but Mulkearns didn’t air the gruesome details of allegations.

    It’s been asked and answered and Mulkearns iirc wasn’t very cooperative the last time he fronted the RC.

    It’ll be all muck and conjecture.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3402650, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    That consultor story is old.

    We’ve discussed here before.

    Mulkearns didn’t care for Cardinal Pell, for obvious reasons.

    A black and white priest.

    That consultor group might have discussed general church business but Mulkearns didn’t air the gruesome details of allegations.

    Interesting point for legal eagles.
    If a victim is taking action for abuse, are they entitled to more compo if the abuser was known to be at it?
    In any case, why does it matter if Pell is named in the action, or just the Diocese of Ballarat?
    A bizarre reversal of the normal ambulance-chaser tactic. Normally they look for the party in the food chain with the most cash. In this case, that would be the Catholic Church generally, and the Ballarat Diocese more specifically. They wouldn’t go near suing an individual priest because, even if they win, the respondent has little or no money to pay.
    So why are they so keen to include Pell in any action?
    The answer is persecution, pure and simple.

  73. Perfidious Albino

    If the state libs were serious they’d be calling for the police minister, chief commissioner, attorney general and head of DPP to resign in disgrace, at a minimum, and ideally, the entire upper echelon of VicPol and the Premier for good measure. Won’t happen of course.

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the state libs were serious they’d be calling for the police minister, chief commissioner, attorney general and head of DPP to resign in disgrace, at a minimum, and ideally, the entire upper echelon of VicPol and the Premier for good measure. Won’t happen of course

    Fair comment – it’s the biggest free kick handed to a State Opposition for some time.

  75. notafan

    Yes, how can it be otherwise.

    Mulkearns was Bishop, in charge of the diocese.

    The ‘consultor’ group held no formal legal role.

    Any one claiming Cardinal Pell knew of , Risdale’s activities is repeating hearsay, which Cardinal Pell has specifically denied.

    Remember he got into trouble in Rome for saying iirc ‘I didn’t care about that’ as in it was of no interest to him, referring to Risdale’s um same sex attraction.

    Which is no doubt all he was aware of.

    And the man in the gardening clothes has no money.

  76. The BigBlueCat

    Hey Lisa Neville … what about these other victims?

    Apparently Nine-Fauxfacts thinks the jury (and therefore anyone likely to be a juror) are victims too! FMD!

  77. Professor Fred Lenin

    Stalin was better at show trials than these fellow socialists , he actually got them to plead guilty to crimes that never happened ,and there was no Hugh Court to reverse the decisions Andrews only got it part right ,the crime that was never. Commited part , Ashton wasn’t in Berias league at gaining guilty pleas .

  78. Tim Neilson

    If ScoMo had any [email protected] (yeah, I know) he would tell Dickhead Dan that he was thinking about release of the RC stitch-up, but he would like Dan to publicly announce support for a Federal enquiry into VikPol and the Viktorianistan Court system.

    Or for getting the Federal Police to have an “independent” look at the Red Shirts affair in the interests of transparency.

  79. BorisG

    The High Court could not have sent a stronger signal back to Victoria that something is seriously wrong.

    Not quite. When the high court wants to criticize lower court or the police it often does so explicitly.

    In this case they just overturned the verdict. The Victorian authorities are now hiding behind the notion that nothing wring has happened and justice has run its course.

    Indeed the fact that a jury verdict has been overturned is not unusual. i think people here think there was a conspiracy here to frame Pell, but the high court did not mention any of that. It did not even say that Pell ha committed no crime – just that the jury ought to have had reasonable doubt about that.

    I still believe Victorian authorities have a lot to answer for, but you won’t know it from the High Court judgement alone.

  80. Iampeter

    Actually no. Nor with any queues either. I’m one of the very lucky ones who remains gainfully employed. You could have found that out by doing an iota of internet research before sneering – but why break the habit of a lifetime?

    Oh gawd. I have no response to stupidity of this magnitude. Wow.
    I think the best thing to do is to stop responding to you completely.
    I should’ve done that a long time ago.
    It’s the best thing anyone can do for you.

    In this case they just overturned the verdict. The Victorian authorities are now hiding behind the notion that nothing wring has happened and justice has run its course.

    Indeed the fact that a jury verdict has been overturned is not unusual. i think people here think there was a conspiracy here to frame Pell, but the high court did not mention any of that. It did not even say that Pell ha committed no crime – just that the jury ought to have had reasonable doubt about that.

    Exactly.

  81. cuckoo

    The ABC scum, having hunted Cardinal Pell to his current residence (and publicised it) were vox popping locals in the street to ask how they felt about having ‘someone like George Pell’ living amongst them. In the interests of fairness, I have to report that they showed three responses, two of which were favourable.

  82. The BigBlueCat

    Indeed the fact that a jury verdict has been overturned is not unusual. i think people here think there was a conspiracy here to frame Pell, but the high court did not mention any of that. It did not even say that Pell ha committed no crime – just that the jury ought to have had reasonable doubt about that.

    Surely if someone is not guilty (that is, there is reasonable doubt) then they are presumed innocent, no? Too many just think they are guilty except for a guilty verdict.

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