Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

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  1. Dr Faustus says:

    Sneaky.

  2. feelthebern says:

    I claim this thread for Exotic Joe !

  3. feelthebern says:

    Grrrr !

  4. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Forth!

  5. Anne says:

    Fox News Headline.

    Police confront nudist sunbathers over not wearing face masks amid coronavirus outbreak.

    By Michael Hollan | Fox News.

  6. custard says:

    Top 10!

  7. Atoms for Peace says:

    Just watching youtube of Bolt ripping into the Vic collective.

  8. Old School Conservative says:

    “We’re all in this together”.

    Rugby Australia has laid off many staff but executives stay on, with a 30% pay cut.
    Castle’s pay cut is 50%, down to $420,000 p.a.
    Players are being asked to take a 65% pay cut for 6 months. The alternative is full stand down.

    If we’re all in this together, players should get what Castle gets – or vice versa.

  9. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Eleventy

  10. Old School Conservative says:

    Police confront nudist sunbathers

    Finally a job the police enjoy doing.

  11. Old School Conservative says:

    Seeing a lot of you Sinc these days.

  12. P says:

    Check out Riccardi Bosi twitter,

    I’ve tried three times to put up a tweet. No go.

  13. min says:

    This may have been noted previously . AJ wondered why Shanghai with its millions of inhabitants 35? , only had 35 deaths how could that be?

  14. Peter the old fossil says:

    Eleventy

    Ha!
    I always suspected economists couldn’t count.

  15. Suburban Boy says:

    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

  16. Peter the old fossil says:

    Sorry, Doomlord. Couldn’t resist.

  17. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Seeing a lot of you Sinc these days.

    Currently writing a book chapter on criticisms of Ricardian trade theory. I’m suddenly finding many things to distract me.

  18. min says:

    Just checked deaths in Shanghai 7 .as of 8/4 /20

  19. Gab says:

    A lovely new thread without numbers. Oh joy!

  20. calli says:

    Already?

    And there I was making typos on the OOT.

  21. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have – Thomas Jefferson

  22. calli says:

    Suburban Boy
    #3401802, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:21 am
    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

    Suburban Boy, the answer you seek is on the OOT.

    To save you scrollation, here it is:

    Has it dawned on people that Milligan is really stupid?

    Yes.

    But stupid people can thrive in certain conditions, especially where public money is concerned. Pathways to the top are often over the backs of the hard-working and intelligent. You just have to know the right people, hold the right views and mouth the right words.

    This can as easily be applied to the judiciary as any other workplace.

  23. Anne says:

    “I don’t know why President Obama didn’t support Joe Biden a long time ago! I think he knows something. YOU – dont know. But, I know.”
    -Trump

    Woohoo! Big Mike’s gonna run. 😂

  24. Peter the old fossil says:

    A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have – Thomas Jefferson

    Including your super.

  25. calli says:

    As if the grubbymint can’t scare people enough, now we have this.

  26. 132andBush says:

    Big Mike or Mr Obama?

  27. Dr Faustus says:

    This may have been noted previously . AJ wondered why Shanghai with its millions of inhabitants 35? , only had 35 deaths how could that be?

    Many people travel to Shanghai from all around the world.
    Difficult, even for Golden Fortune Health Service, to save all.

  28. Roger says:

    Goulburn Police: “Protecting Pell not our job.”

    Pell’s travel was essential.

    Not so the TV crews.

    A concerned NSW resident might make a compliant about police not enforcing the law.

  29. notafan says:

    Helicopters!

    107 cases.

    Oh my.

    A million on helicopters and they’ll be crying poor for basics.

    Again.

  30. Ellie says:

    Ricardian trade theory

    Sounds fascinating. I’m doing a jigsaw of the Mona Lisa. Quarantine bites.

  31. stackja says:

    30 in 33?

  32. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have – Thomas Jefferson

    Including your super.

    Including your liberty.
    Including your savings.

  33. calli says:

    Pell’s travel was essential.

    And on the day many remembered another escape and journey long, long ago.

    Rather poetic, really.

  34. calli says:

    They were followed then, too. Shame the Murray didn’t run to a flood.

    Maybe something on the Nepean could be arranged.

  35. twostix says:

    “Every time you relax a restriction, more people will get sick. More people will die,” she said.

    Gladys is telling NSW daily that you’re going to be imprisoned in your homes until not one single person dies from the virus.

    Enjoy!

  36. NoFixedAddress says:

    Does any Cat know if Australian State courts are operating given the current pandemic?

  37. Peter the old fossil says:

    Including your liberty.

    Australians have been losing that for years. “Social distancing” merely finished the job.

    Including your savings.

    Necessary for most people to spend what little they have, before repurposing the three trillion in super funds will seem like a good idea.

    All going according to plan.

  38. Tim Neilson says:

    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

    To be fair, I believe that she was in the litigation group at Allens, not the commercial group, so she would have had a fair degree of exposure to commercial court cases at least.

    It’s rare for any lawyer to have deep expertise in a wide variety of areas, so it’s inevitable that a Chief Justice won’t be expert in every case they hear.

    Query, though, whether it was necessary for her to be one of the three judges in a criminal appeal which clearly wasn’t her area. Surely there’d be other Court of Appeal judges with more criminal law expertise.

  39. Suburban Boy says:

    Supplementary question: Ferguson CJ’s incompetence is explained by her pitiful lack of experience. But before his elevation to the bench Maxwell P was a silk of many years’ standing and for six years a board member of Liberty Victoria. So what is his excuse for not understanding the concept of “reasonable doubt”?

  40. Ed Case says:

    Including your super.

    No worries!
    Everyone will be eligible for the Pension again, we all get a 9.5% pay rise since the dosh isn’t being handed to Insurance Companies and Unions can get some practice at representing workers again.
    I’m not seeing a downside?

  41. Roger says:

    Some good news ‘midst the gloom:

    A UQ microbiologist stated yesterday that they are close to Phase 1 trialling of a vaccine.

    If all goes according to plan the vaccine could be in mas production early next year.

  42. Infidel Tiger King says:

    BuzzFeed News
    @BuzzFeedNews
    New: Google has banned Zoom from its employees’ devices, citing security vulnerabilities

    Between Tik Tok and Zoom, the Chinese will have stolen every bit of data they could need by now.

  43. It would appear that Mr Mokbel is in gaol because of evidence illegally obtained and his lawyer, unbeknown to him was on the Vikstasi payroll.
    Tony may be guilty as all hell, but if your lawyer is work for the cops, what follows can’t be justice.
    The lawyer x stuff is a bigger scandal than the pell scandal.

  44. Infidel Tiger King says:

    “Every time you relax a restriction, more people will get sick. More people will die,” she said.

    Gladys is telling NSW daily that you’re going to be imprisoned in your homes until not one single person dies from the virus.

    Enjoy!

    She’s a childless harridan with no concept of children, family or community.

    Self isolation is her natural existence.

  45. Ellie says:

    Am ordering Ubereats for lunch. Discovered Monty’s sandwich shop in Bondi.
    https://www.montyssandwichshop.com.au

  46. Ellie says:

    Does any Cat know if Australian State courts are operating given the current pandemic?

    They are, but most are closed courts.

  47. Perfidious Albino says:

    Per the former OT, MUP decided to get out of the muckraking and ‘straight to the bargain bin’ publishing business a year or two back to refocus on ‘academic’ tomes, I recall.

    Muckraker in chief, Louise Adler, then popped up at Hachette Australia, which unsurprisingly is the publisher of Ferguson-Jones’s ‘Revelation’.

  48. feelthebern says:

    Posted on the other thread.

    We will be using all of our powers and all of our technology to try and identify those people who shouldn’t be in NSW.”

    So the plod will use all the tech on the living.
    But won’t use it (or if they have, they won’t release it) on those who have allegedly died of coronavirus.
    Speaks volumes on their intent.

  49. Peter the old fossil says:

    I’m not seeing a downside?

    Money wise? There isn’t one, unless you have been diligent and actually managed to put aside enough for your retirement.

    Freedom wise? That’s another story.

  50. Ellie says:

    Everything done with social distancing practices and via video link up.

  51. We will be using all of our powers and all of our technology to try and identify those people who shouldn’t be in NSW.

    He could start with illegal immigrants from overseas.

  52. Roger says:

    By request, from the OT:

    stupid people can thrive in certain conditions, especially where public money is concerned. Pathways to the top are often over the backs of the hard-working and intelligent. You just have to know the right people, hold the right views and mouth the right words.

    Henceforth to be known as ‘The Milligan Principle’.

  53. Leigh Lowe says:

    Suburban Boy

    #3401802, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:21 am

    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

    1. Vagina.
    2. Party allegiance.
    3. Did I mention vagina?

  54. feelthebern says:

    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

    Blowjobs?

  55. feelthebern says:

    LOL.
    Snap LL.

  56. Ellie says:

    NFA – criminals are still committing crimes. The wheels of justice are turning. Those on remand are being sentenced via video link up instead of being transported in person. I can only comment on NSW though.

  57. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Between Tik Tok and Zoom, the Chinese will have stolen every bit of data they could need by now.

    They already did that years ago.

    These hackers have been quietly targeting Linux servers for years (7 Apr)

    Hacking campaigns linked to China have been exploiting vulnerabilities in Linux servers in an operation that successfully stayed under the radar for almost a decade.

    Detailed by researchers at BlackBerry, the operation, linked to the interests of the Chinese government, is conducting hacking and cyber espionage against a wide array of industries for the purposes of intellectual property theft and data collection.

    While the overall campaign is multi-platform, a newly uncovered part of it has been exploiting vulnerabilities in Linux since at least 2012 – and without the attackers having to update their offensive capabilities in that time.

    If your database starts talking in Chinese now you know why.

  58. Leigh Lowe says:

    Currently writing a book chapter on criticisms of Ricardian trade theory. I’m suddenly finding many things to distract me.

    Sinc’s attention span as at 10:30 today:-
    |—|

  59. feelthebern says:

    He could start with illegal immigrants from overseas.

    Fuller’s role isn’t to protect anyone.
    His role is to enable the governments & public services financial terrorism.

  60. custard says:

    From the OOT
    Todays daily Trump “how to handle” FakeNews media instalment was noteable particularly when Trump goaded the room in asking “Why hasn’t Obama endorsed Sleepy Joe”.

    He went on to say [words to the effect] “he knows”, “I know why” “go and check” “you’ll find out” etc ..

    LOL

  61. Ed Case says:

    My understanding is that people who are dying have deep, noisy, mouth breathing so it won’t be long before all deaths in hospitals are classified as Corona-Hoax deaths.
    So long as the the seasonal numbers for other years can be suppressed, then the appearance of a Pandemic can be maintained.
    That may be what’s happening in Lombardy and New York.

  62. feelthebern says:

    Currently writing a book chapter on criticisms of Ricardian trade theory

    Question.
    Do professors wear tweed jackets with leather elbow patches in the comfort of their own home?

  63. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Currently writing a book chapter on criticisms of Ricardian trade theory. “

    David Ricardo……a good Jooooish boy….and a naughty one too.

  64. pete m says:

    NFA

    Yes state and fed courts still going
    Mostly trying to do things without appearances or by phone teams app

  65. The Beer Whisperer says:

    Just watching youtube of Bolt ripping into the Vic collective.

    Bolt really stepped out a limb in defending Pell, where a lot of money was on Pell losing his appeal to the High Court. He deserves to bask in his righteousness, considering how much he risked.

    Yes, he talks over his guests and has an opinion on everything, but he always struck me as a decent man. None of that perception has changed.

  66. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Do professors wear tweed jackets with leather elbow patches in the comfort of their own home?

    This “wearing clothes in public” is bourgeois oppression.

  67. Ellie says:

    Naked blogging? Noice.

  68. NoFixedAddress says:

    Ellie
    #3401882, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:53 am

    NFA – criminals are still committing crimes. The wheels of justice are turning. Those on remand are being sentenced via video link up instead of being transported in person. I can only comment on NSW though.

    Thanks Ellie and I appreciate and understand criminal matters being heard because criminals never get to be not criminalling but I was more wondering about civil and commercial matters.

    Cheers

  69. Ellie says:

    Oh ok. Sorry NFA.

  70. The Beer Whisperer says:

    That may be what’s happening in Lombardy and New York.

    Ed, the real agenda is revealing itself before our eyes.

    The Democrats are using the virus as an excuse to greatly expand mail-in voting for the purposes of stealing the election.

    This greatly brigs into question the incentives and actions of New York Democrats. They knew Chinese New Year celebrations in New York would greatly spread the virus. They have EVERY reason to fudge the number of deaths attributable to the Kung Flu.

    Indeed, the Democrats are the only valid argument for the ChiComs blaming America for the virus, being, that causing a pandemic gives them a shot at the title.

    We already know that no amount of lives is too much a cost for achieving power. The only thing we don’t know are the details.

  71. feelthebern says:

    Between Tik Tok and Zoom, the Chinese will have stolen every bit of data they could need by now.

    And the NSA has your browser history & every dirty text you’ve ever sent.

  72. Ed Case says:

    Money wise? There isn’t one, unless you have been diligent and actually managed to put aside enough for your retirement.

    Not seeing how the Government could touch SMSFunds.

  73. notafan says:

    The description of the patients in Gwent ICU by the specialist was extremely descriptive of what was happening to patients, some whom died because their sodden lungs could no longer operate at a life sustainable level and some who developed heart complications.

    Without concrete evidence I have to reject the ‘with corona’ claims.

    Those that get it badly ie to the lungs appear to be the ones dying.

    And a corona conspiracy requires a cast of tens of thousands.

  74. Cassie of Sydney says:

    These company directorships are a gravy train…for a select group of elitist parasites….Katie Lahey…Ann Sherry and the list goes on

    “Company director-about-town Katie Lahey might have thought a gig on the board of the world’s biggest travel leisure company Carnival Corporation was a sweet deal when she joined in January last year.

    Annual general meetings in Miami, Florida. Board gatherings all over the world, reflecting the group’s international operations, including P&O Australia and Princess Cruises.

    What a gig for a successful Sydney-based but UK-born businesswoman on the cusp of retiring as the head of the local arm of international headhunter Korn Ferry.

    But then less than a year later along came the new coronavirus, which has devastated the NYSE and LSE-listed Carnival both in revenue and reputation.

    Lahey can see plenty of cruise ships coming and going in Sydney Harbour from her apartment in The Rocks, but on Wednesday wasn’t too keen to talk when it came to Carnival’s cruise ships in Aussie waters, and in particular the company’s Ruby Princess.

    The coronavirus cruise ship is now docked at Port Kembla as NSW Police begin their investigation. Some 15 deaths and more than 600 cases of COVID-19 have been linked to the ship, the single biggest source of coronavirus infections in Australia.

    Of course the Diamond Princess, which was stuck last month at the Japanese port of Yokohama, was one of Carnival’s floating palaces too.

    “I am just about to take a call and I can’t talk,” the almost 70-year old Lahey told us yesterday when Margin Call phoned for a chat.

    “The board is meeting regularly — of course that’s online now — to cope with what’s happening around the world.”

    “And now I must go and take that call.”

    Bon Voyage.”

    A more truthful epitaph would be “Dernier Voyage” for many of those poor passengers on the Ruby Princess.

  75. DrBeauGan says:

    Premier Peter Gutwein said there would be a statewide police “blitz” and an “effective lockdown” in the north-west, where a COVID-19 outbreak investigation is continuing around the North West Regional Hospital and North West Private Hospital.

    “To be frank, today the gloves come off,” Mr Gutwein said.

    “The period of education is over.

    “We still have Tasmanians that are flaunting the rules.

    Yet another ignorant sod who confuses flouting with flaunting and imagines he is authorised to push people around.

  76. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Yes, he talks over his guests and has an opinion on everything, but he always struck me as a decent man. None of that perception has changed.”

    Well said TBW

  77. Dr Faustus says:

    Currently writing a book chapter on criticisms of Ricardian trade theory.

    The Coronavirus and its likely trade consequences will be an interesting test of the benefits of comparative advantage.

  78. notafan says:

    And the seasonal numbers won’t help when countries are outside traditional flu seasons.

    We’ll see.

    Btw I’m not supportive of the current Australian regime but I believe the pandemic is real enough.

  79. feelthebern says:

    This is not a pandemic.

  80. NoFixedAddress says:

    pete m
    #3401894, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:59 am

    NFA

    Yes state and fed courts still going
    Mostly trying to do things without appearances or by phone teams app

    Thanks pete m

    I was prompted to ask because of the swathe of civil cases reputed to be pending against Cardinal Pell.

    I’d like to bring a civil case of injury against ‘J’, Milligan, Ferguson and MUP.

  81. Arnost says:

    Between Tik Tok and Zoom, the Chinese will have stolen every bit of data they could need by now.

    What’s the bet that Alexa, your TV and even the fridge microphones are at full volume capturing and parsing all that confidential stuff that everyone’s teleconferencing…

  82. twostix says:

    And a corona conspiracy requires a cast of tens of thousands.

    Are the chinese hiding their deaths or not?

  83. BrettW says:

    Commonwealth civil servants are now doing their bit to share the burden and make sacrifices.

    Just mentioned on radio that their annual pay rise will be put off for 6 months. Did not mention what %age it was going to be or the cost of the rises.

    No mention of whether it will be backdated to its usual date (1 July ?). If it is backdated then no actual savings on staff during biggest financial crisis in Australia’s history. PM and Fed Ministers not even concerned about discussing it. Good articles by Adam Creighton and Janet A in last week about this subject but the pressure needs to be maintained.

    Meanwhile 45,000 council workers are likely to lose their jobs according to page 5 of today’s Oz. The reason being that Councils have lost income from from rates, swimming pool fees , parking tickets etc.

    I guess we are just lucky that the Commonwealth is not suffering from any loss of income and can carry on as normal.

  84. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    A question arising from the Pell case: How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?
    The previous incumbent from the ranks of wimminzes, so it looks like that is another sinecure permanently wrapped up, and as we know, merit is seldom the major consideration. As for Maxwell, just being loyal to his old mentor Hulls.

  85. Boambee John says:

    From the old thread.

    It was instructive that Goulburn Police refused to help the Cardinal get rid of the reptiles of the press who were stalking him all the way from melbourne.
    “Not our job”. Bullshit.

    Surely the travel by the reptiles could not in any way be deemed “essential”.

    One law for them, one for us!

  86. Peter the old fossil says:

    Not seeing how the Government could touch SMSFunds.

    They have already announced their intentions re SMSF, Ed.

  87. feelthebern says:

    Since 1788 I’m thinking the three biggest events that changed Australia society are/were:
    1) Gold rush;
    2) Universal suffrage;
    3) Coronavirus.

  88. candy says:

    Maybe corona is the new tuberculosis, the fever, shortness of breath and the wet lungs and so on.

  89. Infidel Tiger King says:

    And a corona conspiracy requires a cast of tens of thousands.

    The only conspiracy is this:

    Australia avoided it and is now being treated like we are in the grips of a plague that is wiping us all out. Why?

  90. twostix says:

    “To be frank, today the gloves come off,” Mr Gutwein said.

    “The period of education is over.

    “We still have Tasmanians that are flaunting the rules.

    What they’re saying to us all in every state, is that we – normal people – are the enemy and they’re going to beat the shit out of us.

    Has anybody every heard our power elite talk in such terms to even our worst enemies?

    No they’re bullies with little to credit to their personal lives. And the bullies smell weakness and complian and up the ante and will continue to do so until somebody pushes back.

  91. every dirty text you’ve ever sent

    Unless you use Signal for messaging, like 10 million other people.

  92. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Also, why are we not producing modelling for Australia and instead using Chinese and Italian data which we know to be complete bullshit?

  93. Dr Faustus says:

    Are the chinese hiding their deaths or not?

    The available statistics point to either: ‘Fuck Yes’; or a super-efficient treatment protocol that’s not being used elsewhere.

  94. johanna says:

    On Our Selection Chapter 4:

    On Our Selection
    Chapter IV
    When the Wolf was at the Door
    Steele Rudd

    THERE had been a long stretch of dry weather, and we were cleaning out the waterhole. Dad was down the hole shovelling up the dirt; Joe squatted on the brink catching flies and letting them go again without their wings—a favourite amusement of his; while Dan and Dave cut a drain to turn the water that ran off the ridge into the hole—when it rained. Dad was feeling dry, and told Joe to fetch him a drink.

    Joe said: “See first if this cove can fly with only one wing.” Then he went, but returned and said: “There’s no water in the bucket—Mother used the last drop to boil th’ punkins,” and renewed the fly-catching. Dad tried to spit, and was going to say something when Mother, half-way between the house and the waterhole, cried out that the grass paddock was all on fire. “So it is, Dad!” said Joe, slowly but surely dragging the head off a fly with finger and thumb.

    Dad scrambled out of the hole and looked. “Good God!” was all he said. How he ran! All of us rushed after him except Joe—he could n’t run very well, because the day before he had ridden fifteen miles on a poor horse, bare-back. When near the fire Dad stopped running to break a green bush. He hit upon a tough one. Dad was in a hurry. The bush was n’t. Dad swore and tugged with all his might. Then the bush broke and Dad fell heavily upon his back and swore again.

    To save the cockatoo fence that was round the cultivation was what was troubling Dad. Right and left we fought the fire with boughs. Hot! It was hellish hot! Whenever there was a lull in the wind we worked. Like a wind-mill Dad’s bough moved—and how he rushed for another when one was used up! Once we had the fire almost under control; but the wind rose again, and away went the flames higher and faster than ever.

    “It’s no use,” said Dad at last, placing his hand on his head, and throwing down his bough. We did the same, then stood and watched the fence go. After supper we went out again and saw it still burning. Joe asked Dad if he did n’t think it was a splendid sight? Dad did n’t answer him—he did n’t seem conversational that night.

    We decided to put the fence up again. Dan had sharpened the axe with a broken file, and he and Dad were about to start when Mother asked them what was to be done about flour? She said she had shaken the bag to get enough to make scones for that morning’s breakfast, and unless some was got somewhere there would be no bread for dinner.

    Dad reflected, while Dan felt the edge on the axe with his thumb.

    Dad said, “Won’t Missus Dwyer let you have a dishful until we get some?”

    “No,” Mother answered; “I can’t ask her until we send back what we owe them.”

    Dad reflected again. “The Andersons, then?” he said.

    Mother shook her head and asked what good there was it sending to them when they, only that morning, had sent to her for some?

    “Well, we must do the best we can at present,” Dad answered, “and I’ll go to the store this evening and see what is to be done.”

    Now read on

  95. Mother Lode says:

    How did a commercial solicitor, with no criminal-law experience and with bugger-all courtroom experience in any field, get appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, where she presides over the most difficult and legally-complex criminal cases in the State?

    They are only legally complicated.

    Politically they are straightforward and really come down to two fundamental questions:
    “Who advances my politics”
    “Failing question one, who has the nicest eyes?”

  96. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Since 1788 I’m thinking the three biggest events that changed Australia society are/were:
    1) Gold rush;
    2) Universal suffrage;
    3) Coronavirus.

    Sheilas being allowed out of the ladies lounge was damaging too.

  97. Ed Case says:

    The description of the patients in Gwent ICU by the specialist was extremely descriptive of what was happening to patients, some whom died because their sodden lungs could no longer operate at a life sustainable level and some who developed heart complications.

    Dying people have breathing difficulties, then their heart stops. If that’s going to be the criteria for dying from Corona-Hoax then everybody who didn’t die instantly since Cain slew Abel was a Corona victim.
    So far as conspiracies go, our society operates on decisions made at the top being carried out unthinkingly by the worker-drones at the lower levels.
    So, no cast of thousands required.

  98. cohenite says:

    Since 1788 I’m thinking the three biggest events that changed Australia society are/were:
    1) Gold rush;
    2) Universal suffrage;
    3) Coronavirus.

    And Greg Chappell’s underarm.

  99. Peter the old fossil says:

    So far as conspiracies go, our society operates on decisions made at the top being carried out unthinkingly by the worker-drones at the lower levels.
    So, no cast of thousands required.

    + 100 Ed.

  100. calli says:

    I can flaunt and flout “rules”.

    Because I multi-task.

  101. Steve trickler says:

    👍 Top notch.

    Nicknames: A Tale of Three Cities.

    What ones do we use in Australia?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkxYjNmiP1Y

  102. feelthebern says:

    Honorable mentions would include ending the White Australia policy & floating the currency.
    But they both would be far, far behind the other 3.

  103. rickw says:

    Goulburn Police: “Protecting Pell not our job.”

    Can Australian Police get any more Stasi?

    I assume on this basis that Pell will be applying for a CCW permit and that it will be granted because by police’s own admission they will not protect him.

  104. cohenite says:

    Malcolm Fraser losing his strides was a big one as well.

  105. notafan says:

    Yes ed

    But coronavirus patients have very specific issues that require mechanical ventilation and the complications are also specific.

    You’re basically saying that every doctor that signs off cause of death is lying.

    With zero evidence, other than the claims of internet conspiracy theorists.

    Did you bother to watch the vid DB linked last night?

  106. dopey says:

    ABC: George Pell now at Seminary of the Good Shepherd, Homebush.
    It’s in ABBOTsford Rd.

  107. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “feelthebern
    #3401920, posted on April 9, 2020 at 11:12 am
    This is not a pandemic.”

    We know Bern…..it’s a plandemic.

  108. feelthebern says:

    With zero evidence, other than the claims of internet conspiracy theorists.

    Where is the evidence they are not lying.

  109. Ed Case says:

    Btw I’m not supportive of the current Australian regime but I believe the pandemic is real enough.

    Okay.
    What are your suggestions for the Government then?

  110. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    From the OT.

    But at least sex offenders walk free.

    Why is my point of view shat on?

    Because it isn’t a point of view. You’re wrong, in the same way that Numbers is proved wrong, by evidence.

    Over the months and years that this has gone on I’ve had an ongoing debate with a good friend. This is part of what I emailed to her this morning about it.

    ‘…the Victorian Court of Appeal judges, 2 of which couldn’t get their heads around a basic legal principle: the accused must have an opportunity to commit a crime before any idea that the crime was committed by that person in that place and at that time.

    And the HC did not just say that the legal hurdle of beyond reasonable doubt had not been met, which obviously means that the case could not be proved so the accused is found not to be guilty, all 7 justices went further and said he was innocent.

    As to the accuser, he changed his story every time he was challenged with the actual evidence because his story did not fit and never had fitted with what actually happened at the times he said it did.

    One area that straight away needs to change is the idea of calling complainants victims before the case is heard. This raises up their claims to truth before being tested in a court. As to the ABC, there should be repercussions.

    I’m very pleased, for all of us, that the HC has clearly and unequivocally said that in a criminal case the vibe and/or the feelz don’t count’.

  111. feelthebern says:

    With zero evidence, other than the claims of internet conspiracy theorists.

    Edward Snowden would have been viewed as a conspiracy theorist.

  112. Dr Faustus says:

    Commonwealth civil servants are now doing their bit to share the burden and make sacrifices.
    Just mentioned on radio that their annual pay rise will be put off for 6 months.

    Now we’re talking.
    Pretty much what I’ve had to do in my business.
    (Although we’ve also had to put off having pay.)

    We’re all in this together.

  113. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘Since 1788 I’m thinking the three biggest events that changed Australia society are/were:
    1) Gold rush;
    2) Universal suffrage;
    3) Coronavirus.’

    Does this mean that at some future time there will be big book by FitsGibbon about the Corona Virus??

    “Stone the Crows, said the doc, nervously twirling his stethoscope. “Its my pound to your peanut that this cove has copped the bug big time”.

  114. calli says:

    Nicknames: A Tale of Three Cities.

    What ones do we use in Australia?

    I’ve heard my nieces and nephews call their home town “Brisvegas”. 🙂

  115. twostix says:

    Not seeing how the Government could touch SMSFunds.

    The Australian government has no ideas of its own. They all come from a mishmash of UK and US Democrat states.

    Gordon Brown effortlessly plundered and destroyed Britains powerful private pension funds with a simple tax change:

    The Office for Budget Responsibility has provided an insight into the impact of Gordon Brown’s 1997 tax grab on pensions through the abolition of the tax credit on dividends.

    The extra income for the exchequer is expected to be £9.7bn this year. From July 1997 to 2014 the Treasury enjoyed a £117.9bn boost.

    .

    They’ll do the same to super – all super, when they decide they want the money (which will coincidentally be after boomers get out of super)

  116. cohenite says:

    Michael Levitt said a lot, indeed the majority of deaths in NY from the chunk virus are confected with an underlying condition killing the poor guy and the presence of the chunk virus being incidental.

  117. feelthebern says:

    Des, more likely to report on the public trials of those who knowingly used dodgy modelling & corrupt data to destroy 2million small & medium businesses in Australia.

  118. rickw says:

    Are the chinese hiding their deaths or not?

    The available statistics point to either: ‘Fuck Yes’; or a super-efficient treatment protocol that’s not being used elsewhere.

    21 million mobile users in China have ceased using / recharging their prepaid accounts.

  119. feelthebern says:

    Rickw, most Chinese have multiple phones.
    It’s to do with scamming rebates off apps.

  120. cohenite says:

    Over the months and years that this has gone on I’ve had an ongoing debate with a good friend. This is part of what I emailed to her this morning about it.

    And what did your good friend say to your excellent summary BBS?

  121. Ed Case says:

    You’re basically saying that every doctor that signs off cause of death is lying.

    Some Countries have instructed Hospitals to sign off on Corona-Hoax as the cause of death in all cases of death with breathing symptoms.
    Since every death, apart from Instant Death, has breathing difficulties, then that’s what they’re going to do.
    Follow instructions or get the sack.
    Surely you’re aware of that, it’s the basis of all employer/employee contracts?

  122. The Beer Whisperer says:

    Wait, is this guy trying to tell us that officials would actually lie to us? It can’t be!!

    Minnesota inflating Kung Flu death numbers.

    Why do we keep hearing about such a backwoods part of America?

  123. We’re all in this together.

    Thanks to Archimedes we know that for every person that gets out of the shit the level of shit will subside.

  124. twostix says:

    The available statistics point to either: ‘Fuck Yes’; or a super-efficient treatment protocol that’s not being used elsewhere.

    Then you’re talking a grand conspiracy an order of magnitude more vast than anything notafan is mocking.

  125. feelthebern says:

    Pells experience with the Victorian judicial system would have resembled a black man’s experience in an Alabama court room circa 1955.

  126. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘Commonwealth civil servants are now doing their bit to share the burden and make sacrifices.
    Just mentioned on radio that their annual pay rise will be put off for 6 months.’

    My understanding is that many if not most APS agency EAs were up for renegotiation in 2020.

    Agency Managers are notoriously weak negotiators, but I would have expected that, in addition to delaying any further pay rises under current EAs, the government would have mandated a freeze on pay raises under the new EAs for at least a year.

  127. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “‘Since 1788 I’m thinking the three biggest events that changed Australia society are/were:
    1) Gold rush;
    2) Universal suffrage;
    3) Coronavirus.’”

    What about Goof’s election in 1972? That was a game changer and it was been all down hill since then.

  128. a super-efficient treatment protocol that’s not being used elsewhere

    9mm lead treatment

  129. Fisky says:

    Biden is such a god-awful candidate to put up in this environment. He’s going to get mauled.

    Alberto E. Martinez
    @albertemartinez
    NEW:

    -77% blame China for coronavirus including more than two-thirds (67%) of Democrats

    -71% say American companies should pull back manufacturing in China

    -69% support Trump’s tougher trade policies with China

    -54% say China should pay reparations

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville hits back at critics over George Pell case

    Remy Varga
    Reporter
    @RemyVarga
    11 minutes agoApril 9, 2020

    Victoria’s Police Minister says she’s “incredibly disappointed” by criticism on the handling of the George Pell case after the state opposition called the High Court acquittal an “embarrassment” to the legal system.

    Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system.

    “There is a very robust process to get from A to Z in terms of whether you prosecute … whether you charge,” she said.

    Cardinal George Pell has arrived in Sydney after a long drive from Melbourne during which he was followed by camera crew. Along the way, he stopped in at Goulburn police stat…

    “It’s a very robust process and I know the opposition are pretty keen to criticise and I’ve seen it a lot this week.”

    Cardinal Pell was acquitted of child sex abuse by the High Court of Australia on Tuesday after spending 405 days in prison.

    On Thursday, Victorian Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien called for a “clean up” of Victoria Police as well as the legal system in the wake of the acquittal.

    “The unanimous High Court verdict in the Pell case is an embarrassment to Victoria’s legal system,” he said.

    “How could police, prosecutors and judges have got it so wrong for so long?”

    Mr O’Brien referenced the recent Lawyer-X royal commission that examined Victoria Police’s relationship with gangland lawyer-turned-snitch Nicola Gobbo.

    “This comes on the heels of the unanimous High Court decision in the Lawyer X case which called out ‘reprehensible conduct’ in Victorian prosecutions,” he said.
    “Twice now in the past 15 months Australia’s highest court has called out serious problems in Victoria’s legal system.”

    Ms Neville said she found Mr O’Brien’s comments “incredibly disappointing” and said she feared they would discourage sexual abuse victims from having the confidence to come forward.

    “I think it sends a really bad message to victims … that victims shouldn’t come forward,” she said.

    “They shouldn’t have confidence in Victoria Police and the system will take it seriously and follow it up.”

    From the Oz. Kathy Sherrif was unavailable for comment.

  131. DrBeauGan says:

    I can flaunt and flout “rules”.

    The same ones simultaneously? Post a video or I shan’t believe you.

  132. feelthebern says:

    Not a patch on the other three Cassie.
    That’s how big the governments actions regarding coronavirus should be viewed.
    At the same time ScoMo is lapping Rudd as the biggest financial terrorist while in office, he & his merry band of COAG statists have permanently screwed/changed the economy.

  133. twostix says:

    People mocking people stating the obvious – that the statistics coming out of Italy (internationally renowned national stats incompetents), and NY (run by leftwing hardball playing goons) are subject to policy and categorisation vagaries (100% confirmed re Italy), who then turn around and say China and Hong Kong’s numbers are all lies because of a secret vast government conspiracy involving imprisoning and murdering thousands of doctors and welding people into their houses and taking over the WHO.

    Might not be quite self aware.

  134. Mother Lode says:

    Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system.

    That level of stupid should disqualify her from the job, then.

    Well, any job really.

    She would have been getting updates of every doomed benighted compromised step throughout and still can’t find a problem.

  135. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    And what did your good friend say…

    Cohenite, so far, nothing.

  136. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Ms Neville said she found Mr O’Brien’s comments “incredibly disappointing” and said she feared they would discourage sexual abuse victims from having the confidence to come forward.

    “I think it sends a really bad message to victims … that victims shouldn’t come forward,” she said.

    “They shouldn’t have confidence in Victoria Police and the system will take it seriously and follow it up.”

    Of course Neville would say this….move along…nothing to see here….and note the incessant use of the word “victim”……victim, victim, victim, victim, victim and on and on it goes. Well yes Ms Neville…..there was a victim in the Pell case……his name was George Pell.

  137. Mother Lode says:

    “I think it sends a really bad message to victims … that victims shouldn’t come forward,” she said.

    Still hiding behind molested children.

    What an odious woman.

  138. Leigh Lowe says:

    Sheilas being allowed out of the ladies lounge was damaging too.

    No!
    You lily-livered jelly back.
    Get back to fumdamentals.
    Being allowed out of the kitchen and into the ladies lounge was the beginning of the end.

  139. Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system,
    and that it was behaving as instructed.

  140. Suburban Boy says:

    Now that His Eminence has been cleared, how does he express his disdain for the authorities that persecuted him (without appearing too un-Christian)?

    For starters, he could apply for a Working with Children permit.

  141. Peter the old fossil says:

    Follow instructions or get the sack.

    In Australia it’s even simpler than that, Ed. Our death certificates are pretty basic documents. For instance, Marilyn’s death certificate simply lists “heart failure” as the cause, because that was the immediate cause.

    there is no mention of the fact that her heart failure was the result of her losing a long-running battle against stomach and bowel cancer. The death certificate is NOT a medical report. It is simply confirmation – or otherwise – that there were not mysterious or unexplained factors that needed further investigation.

  142. Ed Case says:

    People mocking people stating the obvious – that the statistics coming out of Italy [] and NY []
    are subject to policy and categorisation vagaries (100% confirmed re Italy), who then turn around and say China and Hong Kong’s numbers are all lies because of a secret vast government conspiracy involving imprisoning and murdering thousands of doctors and welding people into their houses and taking over the WHO.

    Might not be quite self aware.

    Is anybody really saying any of these things let alone at the same time on this blog?
    I haven’t seen it.

  143. feelthebern says:

    Every death attributed to Coronavirus needs to be subject to autopsy.
    & all details (ex their name) needs to be made public.

  144. Leigh Lowe says:

    “I think it sends a really bad message to lying fraudsters victims … that fraudulent liars victims shouldn’t come forward,” she said.

  145. feelthebern says:

    Fake pandemic.
    Fake war on an invisible killer.
    BTW, we’ll use all this rhetoric to enact a Statists wet dream.

  146. NoFixedAddress says:

    Fisky
    #3401985, posted on April 9, 2020 at 11:37 am

    Biden is such a god-awful candidate to put up in this environment. He’s going to get mauled.

    All according to ‘The Plan’ Fisk.

  147. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Peter, when my mother died her death certificate had 3 causes of death that were differentiated by factors of time.

  148. cohenite says:

    Ms Neville said she found Mr O’Brien’s comments “incredibly disappointing” and said she feared they would discourage sexual abuse victims from having the confidence to come forward.
    “I think it sends a really bad message to victims … that victims shouldn’t come forward,” she said.
    “They shouldn’t have confidence in Victoria Police and the system will take it seriously and follow it up.”

    From the Oz. Kathy Sherrif was unavailable for comment.

    If I had some spare time I’d be putting up posters of Kathy Sherrif saying Pell had his day in court Bill should too.

    As for this Neville skank I’m not advocating violence but she should be shot.

  149. DrBeauGan says:

    The discovery that the political class, politicians, advisors, pubic sepents and journalists are totally clueless and are just copying other countries, does not come as a surprise. You couldn’t reasonably expect anything else. The exploitation of it to augment their power over us, likewise.

    It all brings us that much closer to HoP time. That they are too dumb to see this is no surprise either.

  150. twostix says:

    Naturally the only consistent way forward is to agree:

    This is all China’s fault.
    Chinese are engaged in a vast cover up.
    Italy is retarded – ignore their numbers, complete garbage.
    NY and Chicago Democrat shitholes (there’s a pattern here) are cooking their numbers because it helps them them politically and they would do that it in a second.

    So look elsewhere for stats. Perhaps start with Australia.

  151. feelthebern says:

    Trump is the only thing standing between the Deep State & them controlling the (relatively) free world.
    I hope Trump has a food taster.

  152. Top Ender says:

    Naughty Victorians!

    Victoria Police will be out in droves this Easter long weekend, targeting tourist hotspots to enforce social distancing ahead of an anticipated “influx from Melbourne”. State Police Minister Lisa Neville said on Thursday police officers would blitz the coast and regions and would be issuing fines for violations of the public health directive.

    “I know a lot of communities are very concerned about an influx from Melbourne,” she said.

    “Victoria Police will follow the rules that are set by the Chief Health Officer in relation to who can and can’t go into those communities.” It comes as police officers issued 78 fines for violations of the public health directive, including busting Victorians for holding dinner parties and drinking in parks as well as two men who were watching a movie in a car in a public place.

    Oz

  153. hzhousewife says:

    Marilyn’s death certificate simply lists “heart failure” as the cause, because that was the immediate cause.

    I’m trying to think of a death NOT caused by “heart failure”.

  154. feelthebern says:

    Cuomo said he plans to release the “official” data on ethnicity of coronavirus cases this weekend.

  155. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    Lisa Neville has been a ministerial wart for a long time. Laser surgery will never shift the cow, only add to the accretion of callouses in their serried layers.

  156. stackja says:

    Linda Tripp, whose tapes exposed the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky scandal, has died
    The former publicist – whose secret recordings of Monica Lewinsky talking about having sex with then-US president Bill Clinton led to the his impeachment – has passed away.

    Staff writer, News Corp Australia Network
    Subscriber only
    |
    April 9, 2020 9:25am

    Linda Tripp, the Pentagon publicist whose secret recordings of Monica Lewinsky talking about sex with president Bill Clinton led to the his impeachment, has died.

    Ms Tripp’s former lawyer, Joseph Murtha, confirmed the death, and US media cited family members saying she died after a short battle with pancreatic cancer.

    Tripp was a public affairs official of the US Department of Defence when her co-worker Lewinsky, who had served as a White House intern in the mid-1990s, told her she had secretly had sexual encounters with Clinton in the Oval Office.

  157. Peter the old fossil says:

    Time for a ong, I think.
    For what was, and what might have been.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptZ8tYZAkE

  158. twostix says:

    Is anybody really saying any of these things let alone at the same time on this blog?
    I haven’t seen it.

    You’re joking?

  159. Dr Faustus says:

    Then you’re talking a grand conspiracy an order of magnitude more vast than anything notafan is mocking.

    I’m not sure what I’m seeing in the data, but the PRC C19 case/case recovery/tail death statistics are quite unlike those of any other country. In particular, the claimed 95% recovery rate is somewhere between stunning and incredible.

    No tinfoil involved.

  160. twostix says:

    To this date four (4) people have died from Coronavirus in the rat infested overcrowded shithole of Hong Kong where half a milion poor people sleep in coffin sized boxes stacked on top of each other.

    Isn’t that weird? Just 4?

    Hmmmmm!

  161. Mother Lode says:

    Linda Tripp, whose tapes exposed the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky scandal, has died

    Was it just a death, or did she stab herself in the back 15 times, blow her own head off, drive to a remote farm in Kentucky, and throw herself in a woodchipper – you know, suicide?

  162. stackja says:

    Meanwhile:

    2 dead, 3 wounded in Chicago shootings Thursday
    The injured victims included a concealed-carry license holder and a 16-year-old boy who allegedly shot each other during a robbery attempt in Austin.

    By Sun-Times Wire Apr 3, 2020, 2:27am CDT

    Two men were killed and three other people were wounded in shootings Thursday across Chicago, including a concealed-carry license holder and a teenage boy who exchanged fire during an attempted robbery.

    The latest fatal shooting happened about 10:15 p.m. in Lawndale.

    A 28-year-old man was outside in the 3000 block of West Flournoy Street when someone in a passing black sedan shot him in the abdomen, according to Chicago police. He was taken to Stroger Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

    More than five hours before that, a man was shot to death in the Heart of Chicago on the Lower West Side.

  163. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Cuomo said he plans to release the “official” data on ethnicity of coronavirus cases this weekend.

    Lots of poor black people are dying because rich white people who go skiing and on cruises are filthy and depraved animals.

    All ski fields should be bulldozed and land mined. All cruise ship sunk as dive wrecks and artificial surf breaks.

  164. NuThink says:

    Please do not steal! The Government hates competition.

  165. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Italian banks and companies run 3 sets of books.

    Why would their hospitals be any different?

  166. EvilElvis says:

    Commonwealth civil servants are now doing their bit to share the burden and make sacrifices.

    I find it highly amusing in the current circumstances that the “we are all working extremely hard” line gets trotted out as an excuse for not cutting renumeration for pollies and the PS.

    Which begs the question, before this self inflicted crisis wtf were you doing? Obviously not working hard for your exorbitant salaries and obviously not preparing over decades, despite a couple of big scares, for another outbreak.

  167. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    How the DPP allowed a sliding door to close on the prosecution of Pell
    Chip Le Grand
    By Chip Le Grand
    April 8, 2020 — 5.37pm

    George Pell’s legal team privately petitioned Victoria’s Director of Public Prosecutions two years ago to abandon the criminal proceedings against the cardinal, citing much of the same evidence that convinced the High Court to quash his conviction.

    Had the newly appointed DPP, Kerri Judd, QC, taken up this sliding doors moment, it would have exposed her office to public outcry but avoided the injustice of Cardinal Pell spending 13 months in jail for a wrongful conviction.

    Instead, she took Cardinal Pell to trial and set Senior Crown Prosecutor Mark Gibson an invidious task of having to reconcile the account of the former archbishop’s sole accuser with the evidence of other witnesses that didn’t fit the case.

    Sources with knowledge of the matter told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald the confidential petition took the form of an application for discontinuance, an option not often pursued by defence lawyers due to the unlikelihood of success.

    For the DPP to take a criminal matter to trial, they must be satisfied there is a reasonable prospect of conviction and a public interest in running the case.

    Cardinal Pell’s legal team submitted to Ms Judd that the prosecution was doomed to fail and the problems in the evidence should not be obscured by the strong public interest in the case.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  168. twostix says:

    We’re not getting out of this without voting our way out.

    They’re literally telling us point blank to our faces us that this is not going to end, even if the lockdown is “loosened” we’re never going back to the way things were re police power, the vicious and hateful attitude they have taken on with us, etc.

  169. Steve trickler says:

    “Brisvegas”.😊 I know that one, Calli. I am guessing the casino sagas back in the day?

  170. twostix says:

    In 2020 the supposedly soft, “gentle”, “empathetic”, “nudge” state tore its mask off.

    We’re literally three weeks in. Imagine what they’ll be like in six months.

  171. Steve trickler says:

    This is about 7 weeks old. I’ve got time to finish watching it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VpJ6oPD7wQ&t

  172. NuThink says:

    Mother Lode
    #3402032, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:01 pm
    Linda Tripp, whose tapes exposed the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky scandal, has died

    Was it just a death, or did she stab herself in the back 15 times, blow her own head off, drive to a remote farm in Kentucky, and throw herself in a woodchipper – you know, suicide?

    No it is not suicide – it is death by natural causes. It is natural that someone suffering wounds as you describe would die.

  173. Mark A says:

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3402034, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    Cuomo said he plans to release the “official” data on ethnicity of coronavirus cases this weekend.

    Lots of poor black people are dying because rich white people who go skiing and on cruises are filthy and depraved animals.

    All ski fields should be bulldozed and land mined. All cruise ship sunk as dive wrecks and artificial surf breaks.

    Whatsamatter with you?
    Getting soft.

  174. 8th Dan says:

    Yet another ignorant sod who confuses flouting with flaunting

    Yet again you demonstrate your conceited and excessive belief in your own intelligence.
    Perhaps you should buy a dictionary.

    PS.
    STOP COVID-19
    #stayhome

  175. calli says:

    Last night, the Seven News had a piece about China returning to normal and a light show in Shanghai to celebrate.

    Very pretty, but when I dragged my eyes away from the baubles, and as the camera panned back, all I saw was a single bus on the road. Anyone who has been to Shanghai knows that this is far from normal.

  176. Ed Case says:

    … death certificate simply lists “heart failure” as the cause, because that was the immediate cause.

    Yes Peter.
    Have a Qld Death Certificate in front of me for a woman who died in hospital in the Fifties.
    Here’s an excerpt:
    Cause of Death is 1[a] Cardiac failure [b] Hypertension [c] Atherosclerosis 2. Resolving Pneumonia
    Duration of last illness ..1[a] 2 days [b] years [c] years

    I’ve got quite a few others, all similar amounts of information.
    Not a doctor but it sounds like she was a sick old woman who died from breathing complications [Pneumonia].
    Sounds like Doctors in other are now being instructed by Health Dept. bureaucrats to either replace
    1. [b&c] with 2. on the Certificate or announce 2. as the cause, or both, thereby beefing up the numbers of Corona-Hoax deaths.

  177. twostix says:

    QLD has largely escaped our national political class’s declaration of a fatwa.

    That’s only because there’s an election this year.

    They’re afraid of that and holding off.

    After that, Labour or LNP doesn’t matter, imagine what it’ll be like.

    No old traditions of a civilised policing “service” in QLD holding them back.

  178. Infidel Tiger King says:

    We’re not getting out of this without voting our way out.

    More likely we will have to shoot and stab our way out of it.

    I can already sense the community has had enough.

    All the fake jobbers and Active Wear Activists somehow beloved it was just a 2 week lockdown. Even they now want their botox and cocaine fuelled sex parties back. And not being able to go to the beach house is killing them.

  179. Herodotus says:

    From the old thread, Cassie:
    “The ABC have only produced two good dramas in the last decade…one was The Slap and the other was The Cry.”
    Do we have to go to SBS for The Slap & Tickle?

  180. Peter the old fossil says:

    Why does everybody keep getting bogged down on what did, or didn’t happen in Italy, or Greece, or the UK, or anywhere else, for that matter. We live in a country called Australia, where, if we discount corpses and near corpses offloaded from cruise ships, bugger all people have died from moronvirus – not even enough to be statistically significant. A mere blip in the records.

    And for that we have put around three million people out of work – to be an estimated five million by the end of May, bankrupted or otherwise destroyed tens of thousands of small businesses, completely destroyed our economy, imposed compulsory curfew under what amounts to martial law, and replaced elected representative democracy with dictatorial rule by decree.

    And there are STILL people here who think it’s all “business as usual”.
    Jesus wept.

  181. Old School Conservative says:

    Don Harwin has to be sacked for the stupid lies he keeps trotting out as excuses for being at his holiday house.

  182. BorisG says:

    Some people objected me posting a linear scale graph. In fact both linear and logarithmic scale graphs are useful. Logarithmic graph is useful for looking at the trend (straight line corresponds to exponential growth, and the slope of that line tells you how fast the exponential growth is, that is, how quickly the numbers doubles).

    The weakness of the logarithmic scale is that on this scale the difference between 1 and 10 is the same as between 10 and 100, etc. But we are talking about human lives, it is not the same. For this, linear scale is better. And easier to comprehend for most people.

    But whatever scale you look at, the Swedish gamble and human experimentation is beginning to fail.

  183. DrBeauGan says:

    “Flaunt” Or “Flout”?
    Flaunt and flout sound similar but have different meanings. Flaunt means to ‘display ostentatiously’, as in:

    The visitors liked to flaunt their wealth.

    While flout means to ‘openly disregard a rule or convention’, as in:

    New recruits were growing their hair and flouting convention.

    It is a common error, recorded since around the 1940s, to use flaunt when flout is intended.

  184. Leigh Lowe says:

    Cardinal Pell’s legal team submitted to Ms Judd that the prosecution was doomed to fail and the problems in the evidence should not be obscured by the strong public interest in the case.

    By public interest they don’t mean “public interest”.
    They mean “the whipped up public is interested and are armed with torches and pitchforks”.

  185. Farmer Gez says:

    PS.
    STOP COVID-19 Kool
    #stayhome

    I suspect staying at home is no problem for you 8th Dan.

    Now tell us what you do for a crust again?

  186. Herodotus says:

    Cardinal Pell’s legal team submitted to Ms Judd that the prosecution was doomed to fail and the problems in the evidence should not be obscured by the strong public interest in the case.

    In any more sane part of Australia this would be true. But the extent of judiciary and plod fol-derol-ing by Labor for quite a while now makes it difficult to apply a sensible test.
    Bolt shouldn’t have been subjected to a case run by such people, nor should two Christian ministers have been subjected to/threatened with legal action, but both happened in Victoria.

  187. Old School Conservative says:

    “Flaunt” Or “Flout”?

    I prefer Mark A’s cartoon last night.
    Dramatic Exit.

  188. Delta A says:

    Flaunt and flout sound similar but have different meanings.

    Yes, but surely one can flaunt one’s floutings.

  189. johanna says:

    Lisa Neville on Thursday defended Victoria’s legal system and police force, saying she had “full confidence” in the justice system.

    I accuse Lisa of sexually molesting children 20 years ago. I have some drug addled and damaged people who will back up my claim.

    So, what happens next? Is Lisa OK with that? Are we going to start calling them ‘victims’ from this moment forward?

    She truly is despicable.

  190. DrBeauGan says:

    If there are enough ignorant fatheads like one eigth dan around, what is wrong eventually becomes right. As in Australians mispronunciation of the letter aitch. Which is considered a mark of ignorance in most of the Anglosphere.

  191. Arky says:

    It’s amazing.
    The share markets continue to rise, despite the fact that economic activity has flattened.
    Apparently the markets no longer require actual humans doing stuff.

  192. Arky says:

    As in Australians mispronunciation of the letter aitch.

    ..
    Australians?
    Don’t get me fucking started on Australians.

  193. Herodotus says:

    Don Harwin has to be sacked for the stupid lies he keeps trotting out as excuses for being at his holiday house.
    You can according to the NSW gov website
    “move to a new place of residence, or between your different places of residence”

  194. Anne says:

    Once the herd accepts mandatory, forcible vaccination, it’s game over! They will accept anything – forcible blood or organ donation – for the ‘greater good’. We can genetically modify children and sterilise them – for the ‘greater good’.
    Control sheep minds and you control the herd. Vaccine makers stand to make billions, and many of you in this room today are investors. It’s a big win – win! We thin out the heard and the herd pays us for providing extermination services. Now what’s for lunch?

    Henry Kissinger in a speech to the World Health Organisation Council on Eugenics February, 25, 2009.

  195. DrBeauGan says:

    Yes, but surely one can flaunt one’s floutings.

    Yes, and I hope you do, ∆, 😃.

  196. Arky says:

    “Flaunt” Or “Flout”?

    ..
    Flaunt the taunt trout flout.

  197. BorisG says:

    Here and here are daily deaths per million people.

    Sweden is quickly overtaking Italy and maybe the UK.

  198. Gilas says:

    Anne,

    You’re truly endearing.

  199. Farmer Gez says:

    Now Arky, why haven’t you gone home to the Land of the Long White Teeth?

    A man with your tree lopping skills must be in high demand.

  200. calli says:

    On flaunting floutings, here is the Master Storyteller and what he has to say about Rules:

    The hobbits at the gate still seemed ill at ease, evidently some rule
    or other was being broken; but there was no gainsaying four such masterful
    travellers, all armed, and two of them uncommonly large and strong -looking.
    Frodo ordered the gates to be locked again. There was some sense at any rate
    in keeping a guard, while ruffians were still about. Then the four
    companions went into the hobbit guard-house and made themselves as
    comfortable as they could. It was a bare and ugly place, with a mean little
    grate that would not allow a good fire. In the upper rooms were little rows
    of hard beds, and on every wall there was a notice and a list of Rules.
    Pippin tore them down. There was no beer and very little food, but with what
    the travellers brought and shared out they all made a fair meal; and Pippin
    broke Rule 4 by putting most of next day’s allowance of wood on the fire.

    We are all Tooks now.

  201. BorisG says:

    In any more sane part of Australia this would be true.

    You would hope so. At least the high court judges retained some sanity. 7:0!!!

  202. Infidel Tiger King says:

    It’s amazing.
    The share markets continue to rise, despite the fact that economic activity has flattened.
    Apparently the markets no longer require actual humans doing stuff.

    Maybe it’s because the only economic activity that matters, mining, agriculture, transport and manufacturing is continuing.

    What if we have just discovered that everyone else has a fake job and is economically irrelevant except as a consumer?

    This has been a giant social and economic experiment.

  203. Arky says:

    The trout flaunted a taunt flout pout.

  204. Delta A says:

    what is wrong eventually becomes right. As in Australians mispronunciation of the letter aitch.

    The use of ‘of’, instead of ‘have’, eg, he should have listened to me.

    And ‘then’ instead of ‘than’: both increasingly common errors.

  205. Farmer Gez says:

    Every time I ask 8th Dan for his/her profession, he/she disappears.
    I’m a magician.

  206. calli says:

    The flaunting flautist floutes the fugue.

  207. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Keith McCullough
    @KeithMcCullough
    If these people are using linear “models”, stop listening to them
    6:23 AM · Apr 9, 2020·TweetDeck

  208. Peter the old fossil says:

    Sweden is quickly overtaking Italy and maybe the UK.

    And which one of those countries do you live in, BorisG?

  209. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Every time I ask 8th Dan for his/her profession, he/she disappears.
    I’m a magician.

    Are serial killers entitled to JobKeeper payments?

  210. BorisG says:

    What if we have just discovered that everyone else has a fake job and is economically irrelevant except as a consumer?

    You local barber is irrelevant? A bus driver is irrelevant?

  211. calli says:

    This has been a giant social and economic experiment.

    Even better than faulty vending machines.

    There are many…many theses in it for Behavioural Scientists.

  212. calli says:

    flouts

    I went all Middle English for a moment there.

  213. Arky says:

    I taunted the gaunt trout tout flaunting its drought flout snout pout.

  214. Infidel Tiger King says:

    You local barber is irrelevant? A bus driver is irrelevant?

    Not to me.

    I know that universities are irrelevant though. You have a fake job.

  215. Keith Forwheels says:

    An interesting perspective;

    https://youtu.be/lGC5sGdz4kg

  216. calli says:

    And speaking of flaunting flautists…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z93LakUGsFc

  217. The Beer Whisperer says:

    STOP COVID-19
    #stayhome

    8th Dan, you forgot “or else”.

  218. Fisky says:

    Maybe it’s because the only economic activity that matters, mining, agriculture, transport and manufacturing is continuing.

    What if we have just discovered that everyone else has a fake job and is economically irrelevant except as a consumer?

    In the medieval period, about 80-90% of the population had to do bone-crushing agricultural work barely above subsistence to create enough surplus for the 10% of priests, lords, knights etc to live off. Now it’s the reverse. We are mostly corporate dole bludgers, but we have invented an intricate system of credentials to hide that fact. Now it’s been brutally exposed, the “jobs” probably are gone forever, and the overwhelming majority of ex-white collar jobbers will be on UBI from now on.

  219. Farmer Gez says:

    While I’m on the subject of tree lopping, I just bought a new Stihl MS 362c with a 20” bar.
    It’s a nice medium chainsaw with plenty of poke and bugger all vibration through the grips.
    It’s point of balance is just right as you can put it on a log and it naturally bites down and forward.
    I haven’t tried it on the end of an eight metre pole but then again I’m not a Kiwi.

  220. Arky says:

    I taunted the gaunt trout tout flaunting its drought flout snout pout.
    Why do you flout the drought with that snout pout you flaunt,gouty old trout tout?

  221. johanna says:

    Hit the mall early this morning and bought one of the last remaining 4 packs of double length TP, apparently made from recycled paper products by some mob in Laverton, never heard of it. It was the first opportunity to buy TP at our Coles for a month, for me.

    It can’t be worse than the shiny stuff we got at primary school. I used to bring my own.

    Crowds were light, plenty of stock of most things. Hand wipes on offer at the entrance.

    Throughput at the checkouts was slow, because everyone had to pack their own bags.

    I’m thinking that the supermarkets’ bonanza is coming to an end. They are limiting the number of customers in the store at any one time, and getting them out is slower than usual. I didn’t see any of the usual online shopping trolleys circulating. Maybe they are doing it out the back.

    It will be interesting to see Colesworths’ next batch of figures.

  222. dover_beach says:

    Ashton was on AW this morning, Mitchell’s program. No regrets about the Pell case. Said Operation Tethering started after initial complainants against Pell. I only caught bits and pieces so don’t know if he uttered other lies.

  223. notafan says:

    Relying on a single 1950s death certificate and a blanket accusation that all doctors in the world are falsifying death certificates because conspiracy?

    Priceless!

  224. Arky says:

    I taunted the gaunt trout tout flaunting its drought flout snout pout.
    Why do you flout the drought with that snout pout you flaunt, gouty old trout tout?
    “Because I’m Armadildo’s missus” shouted the gouty old trout.

  225. NoFixedAddress says:

    BorisG
    #3402079, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    Some people objected me posting a linear scale graph

    All good BorisG

    Now show total deaths for the same period this year compared to same period last year.

    I think you and anyone else that portrays commenters on The Cat as heartless bastards who only care about money are deficient in life skills and experience.

    In fact most comments I have seen taking that line in chastising and advancing ‘holier than thou’ shit because you determine we don’t give a damn about deaths are more gullible and ghoulish and have NIL empathy for humanity whatsoever.

  226. Bruce in WA says:

    twostix
    #3402047, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm
    We’re not getting out of this without voting our way out.

    They’re literally telling us point blank to our faces us that this is not going to end, even if the lockdown is “loosened” we’re never going back to the way things were re police power, the vicious and hateful attitude they have taken on with us, etc.

    I’m sure I heard Berejeklian (sp?) say we had better get used to the distance isolation rules, because this was going to be the “new norm” for Australia even after CV19.

    WA is spending millions on recruiting and “fast-tracking” new police — think they’ll just disappear when this is over?

    Think welfare recipients will just smile benignly when it’s time to cut back the payments?

    Think parents will just smile benignly when the government says we’re not paying childcare any more?

    Think businesses will still keep all staff on when the wages subsidy ceases?

    Think police will blindly and happily hand back all their extra powers?

    Think the governments will allow all gunshops to revert to trading the same as before the “crisis”?

    This “pandemic” has changed the face of Australian life indelibly.

  227. calli says:

    Said Operation Tethering started after initial complainants against Pell.

    That’s curious. Didn’t Tethering start with a one page ad touting for complaints?

  228. ryki says:

    Boris, Swedish deaths are perfectly normal. If anything, they are below average. We now know that, regardless of which country you are in, all coronavirus deaths/data are completely meaningless.

    The only data that we can rely on is total deaths. And according to that, Europe and the US are barely in the middle of a bad flu season, let alone history’s greatest pandemic.

  229. Old School Conservative says:

    Herodotus
    #3402096, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:32 pm
    * Don Harwin has to be sacked for the stupid lies he keeps trotting out as excuses for being at his holiday house.
    * You can according to the NSW gov website –
    “move to a new place of residence, or between your different places of residence”

    He wasn’t moving to a new place of residence, and the different places clause was inserted to allow divorced couples to move their children between separate homes.
    It wasn’t intended for a NSW government minister to chose the most beneficial residence depending on what he was doing at the time.
    Cabinet meeting – I should be in Elizabeth Bay.
    Working from home – I should at my luxury beach house.
    Sack him Gladys.

    (PS what sort of Minister has to ask his Departmental officials to interpret the Public Health Order, when joe public has to work it out for themselves?)
    Don’t sack him Gladys. Push him off the top of the Sydney Harbour Bridge just in time for the 6 o’clock news.

  230. egg_ says:

    Hunt Presser:

    “Slow walk back out” of current restrictions.

    Doesn’t sound like “snap back”, SloMo.

    This is like having the Medical Corps leading at Dunkirk.
    Hand wringing all round.

  231. Fisky says:

    HK can’t be far away from being declared no longer a separate economic entity.

    Social Distancing Balding 大老板
    @BaldingsWorld
    ·
    1m
    It is rather stunning to see how fast things are changing for China. Japan is helping companies leave. Internet architecture is changing. This is a real wave of events
    Quote Tweet

    Kate O’Keeffe
    @Kate_OKeeffe
    · 6h
    NEW: Fresh national security ruling renders HK dead as a U.S. internet hub. Where is Google permitted to connect instead? TAIWAN. U.S. also wants cos to consider Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand & Vietnam. Msg to Beijing couldn’t be clearer
    https://wsj.com/articles/u-s-allows-google-internet-project-to-advance-only-if-hong-kong-is-cut-out-11586377674 @DrewFitzGerald

  232. Farmer Gez says:

    Jane Rutter on the flute Calli.
    You’re cheeky. That’s just to get us lads going and you know it.

  233. egg_ says:

    Hunt emphasising Easter lockdown, so hopefully the hand wringing Medicos are satisfied with da curve and we can move on.
    /Cue: virus “rebound” hand wringing

  234. Zatara says:

    With zero evidence, other than the claims of internet conspiracy theorists.

    US Health and Human Services Department Directive
    Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance
    Report No. 3 ▪ April 2020

    Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

    “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.”

    “suspected or likely” is a wide enough highway to mean whatever one wants it to mean. But that could never, ever, be driven by political motivations of course.

  235. NoFixedAddress says:

    Thanks Calli

    Jane Rutter – Bolero is superb.

  236. Mother Lode says:

    Commonwealth civil servants are now doing their bit to share the burden and make sacrifices.

    And I.

    Why, I myself have changed champagne to domestic sparkling. All in this together, you know.

  237. Peter the old fossil says:

    Relying on a single 1950s death certificate

    Marilyn’s death certificate us dated 28/02/2019.
    It is a standard form used right across QLD and has been for some years.

  238. Boambee John says:

    calli
    #3402136, posted on April 9, 2020 at 12:47 pm
    And speaking of flaunting flautists…

    Best known for her performances as the nude with a flute!

  239. Speaking as a rational, tolerant, reasonable and peaceable citizen;
    I have reached the point where I am sympathetic to open revolt against the totalitarian regime in the state of Viktoristan.
    If this be the case, one would expect many, less reasonable than me, to exhibit a far more vigorous response. Today, whilst venturing amongst the wilds of inner Dannograd, the sense of foreboding was overwhelming. In a Heart of Darkness sort of way.

    We are on a path where things will fall apart.

    I quote William Butler Yeats:
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

  240. egg_ says:

    WA is spending millions on recruiting and “fast-tracking” new police — think they’ll just disappear when this is over?

    We were already on the path to Venezuela when Public Servants are much better paid than Private Enterprise.
    When someone is smug, rather than ashamed, at having a Govt jerb, you’re in a downward spiral to oblivion.

  241. Old School Conservative says:

    Bolero is superb

    I’d give it a 10.

  242. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Why, I myself have changed champagne to domestic sparkling.

    The horror!

  243. 8th Dan says:

    I’m a magician.

    Sleight of hand? Or slight of hand?

  244. egg_ says:

    And a corona conspiracy requires a cast of tens of thousands.

    Worthy of the Grigbot.

    Policy has been pasted – in writing – where it’s at someone’s discretion to attribute a death to CV-19 without evidence.
    What more do you need – a signed confession?

  245. Black Ball says:

    Good afternoon all.
    Yes all Easter activities up our way have been given the Khyber Pass. But if you look at the traffic, it’s all systems go. Families will reunite for many, many beers. BBQs in backyards will still fire up. The only thing I can see that will thwart any plans will be the weather. Have my drinks organised, chocolate for the kids on Sunday done, hot cross buns purchased, going out to catch fish for tomorrow, good times.

  246. Peter the old fossil says:
  247. egg_ says:

    “Confluence of interest” is the term applied to the CAGW industry – the new norm with Crony Capitalism and ruinables shills.
    “Follow the money”/influence.

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