Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

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1,555 Responses to Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

  1. calli

    Egg, we all got the government we deserved.

    You might.

    I deserve better.

    Low expectations are a tyranny all on their own.

  2. feelthebern

    50 people have died on 2 and half months.
    But notafan thinks autopsies on this small number is silly.

    Also notafan.

  3. Old School Conservative

    “It’s safe for schools to be open” – Tehan.

    “The national cabinet is meeting now to discuss how different states will handle the return of Term 2. It is expected decisions over schools will be left to state premiers”.

    Keep the inconsistencies coming guys.

  4. Mitch M.

    Farmer Gez,

    You might be onto something. C does increase iron uptake and that may lead to problems if the diet is heavy in iron. I tell friends that giving blood is probably good for our health because is the only realistic means of reducing total iron in the body. Aging brains accumulate iron and with the exception of pre-menopausal women most people receive more than enough iron in their diets.

    However the studies generally don’t indicate a risk so I wouldn’t worry about it. This is interesting …

    However, reactive oxygen species may mediate beneficial training adaptations that vitamin C attenuates; indeed, from a total of 12 studies, vitamin C in doses >1 g·d(-1) impaired sport performance substantially in four of four studies, possibly by reducing mitochondrial biogenesis, while a further four studies demonstrated impairments that were not statistically significant. Doses of ∼0.2 g·d(-1) of vitamin C consumed through five or more servings of fruit and vegetables may be sufficient to reduce oxidative stress and provide other health benefits without impairing training adaptations.

    Other studies have made similiar findings: high antioxidant loading impedes the hormetic response to exercises. Oxidative stress stimulates repair and regeneration processes so too many antioxidants can reduce the benefits of exercise.

    I think most C supplements are a waste of money. Many plant foods, not just citrus, has more than enough C for us. Because it is water soluble best to have through the day rather than one big hit.

  5. BrettW

    I will be glued to this forum, radio and online newspapers waiting for you to arise and lead us all to freedom.

    Peter the old fossil
    #3402503, posted on April 9, 2020 at 4:39 pm
    If you’ve got a better idea, BrettW, I’m all ears.

  6. thefrollickingmole

    Had the government police moll for WA on the radio this morning sporting a serious wide on that thanks to banning 90% of people from the roads there might be a fatality free Easter Road toll in WA.

    These people are mad

  7. ryki

    The key is that, usually with massive oppression the health of the state rises inversely with the health of the populous.

    But this is nothing like those times.

    It is nothing like any times. Ever.

    Both sides (the government and the populous) rise and fall with each other. For all those thinking that public servants are immune – hahahahahahahaha!!! At the end of this – once the populous wakes up – every second public servant will be sacked. There won’t be any money to pay them. And none of the politicians in power today will survive their elections – assuming they survive in the literal sense. People won’t blame themselves – even though it will be their fault. They will blame the politicians who followed rather than led.

    North Korea doesn’t randomly stop people from working – it is just that they demand that the fruits of people’s labour goes to the state.

    In our case, the governments have simply demanded that people stop working at all. Astonishing. But it certainly won’t help the health of the state.

    Morrison and the premiers have ****** themselves every bit as much as they have the rest of us.

  8. feelthebern

    James Squire Hop Thief American Pale Ale No 9

    Grigs is drinking “in his rooms”?.
    I wonder if “it was comped”?.
    At least he isn’t trying to pass of someones twitterings as his own today.

  9. bundyrum

    Calli, we all deserve better, what are your solutions?
    You are always the neutral commenter here, speak up.

  10. Porcelain Monkey

    Someone has at least come up with an idea to use some of the many grounded aircraft.

    Probably too late for this round of sickness, but could be organised on relatively short notice if plans are in place.

  11. notafan

    And you’re just an idiot.

    I don’t give toss what grigs opinion is and my opinion does not give him comfort.

    So sorry for thinking covid19 is a real pandemic affecting many countries, just not us so much.

    Sneering remarks about rosaries and pretending I’m the only person here that thinks the pandemic is real (in other countries) is mere evidence that you have something against me personally.

  12. Geriatric Mayfly

    Egg, we all got the government we deserved.

    Someone put a pic up the other day of that Andrews plonker ears flapping like those of a horseshoe bat. But to be charitable and give him some human semblance, looks like he walked straight out of Wallace and Gromit episode.

  13. feelthebern

    Remember when Boris breathlessly told us they were digging ditches in Central Park for all the bodies?
    Remember when Hazzard said we might have to store the dead bodies in closed pubs & clubs cool rooms?
    There is no pandemic.
    Just a big social experiment.

  14. egg_

    Nick
    #3402555, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    They’ve directly quoted from here, with attributions, in the past.

  15. mh

    NRL season starts again May 28.

  16. Peter the old fossil

    Struth, I basically agree with the general thrust of what you are saying.
    Just a couple of differences about what to do.

    The first difference is that isn’t time to organise properly and wait for the right moment. There is.
    The second is that Anzac Day is a suitable venue. It isn’t.
    The third is that armed insurrection is the only way forward. It isn’t.
    Don’t get me wrong, I fully accept that it may come to that – why do you think I was asking for input buying 14 shotguns two months ago? But that is the position of last resort, not the starting point.

    Ignore Nota – she is a pointless vexation of the spirit. Rest assured, she will be the one screaming longest and loudest for somebody to “do something” when the time comes.

  17. amortiser

    Farmer Gez said:

    I haven’t tried it on the end of an eight metre pole but then again I’m not a Kiwi.

    My eyes watered when you posted that.

  18. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #3402535, posted on April 9, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen)

    That’s the observation from the NYC Medic’s Youtube someone posted a while back.

    Egg, can you post the source of that video? I want to send it to someone and there’s no way of doing it from the video itself.

  19. egg_

    notafan
    #3402570, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    You’ve been a snarking* @rsehole for the last week or so with your appeal to authority bullsh1t which is grist to the mills of the onboard trolls.
    You are not helping.

    *Just like when you stuck your beak in over Automotive stuff in the past.
    Mens Shed Envy?

  20. Some History

    Latest meeting of State Premiers

    https://imgur.com/gwgAfID

  21. bundyrum

    Come on Calli, don’t hide behind your mop & bucket.
    Do you think Australia is heading in the right direction, yes or no?

  22. ryki

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8369-roy-morgan-benchmark-survey-covid-19-in-australia-april-06-2020-1-202004070107

    Well it isn’t much, but it looks as though the people are slowly starting to come out of their hysteria.

  23. Steve trickler

    Tubular Bells. I have not listened to this since god knows when.

    The original does not come with a drum track. Sina, has decided to add one.



  24. Snoopy

    For reasons I will not go into now, my target date is Australia Day, January 26, 2020.

    Fine tuning your time machine?

  25. Bear Necessities

    ScoMo never wanted any of this and still doesn’t. All the politicians want to be up and about and taking their kids to sport too. They just don’t know what to do with the fact that the overwhelming majority want the police state to continue.

    Ryki,

    Well he should bloody well end it. So what if Waleed or PVO clutch their pearls and he is off their Christmas Card list. FMD grow a spine ScoMo.

  26. calli

    Calli, we all deserve better, what are your solutions?
    You are always the neutral commenter here, speak up.

    Solution to what? There are so many things in play here.

    The rapid creep of the soft handed, sweet voiced tyrant?

    Break the “rules” – the obviously stupid ones like separate family households not having a meal together.

    The misinformation/overabundance of conflicting information?

    Read it all, think about it, decide for myself what is true and what is false, and have the humility to admit that there are things I don’t know, and others that I cannot know.

    The grinding fear of unemployment, especially for men who work with their hands?

    Do everything in my power to keep those men in my remit employed, even if it means forgoing my own salary.

    On my disappointment with the way government is handling this thing?

    I will leave that until polling day and make my choice then. Trust me, I will not forget this.

    That’s just scratching the surface.

  27. caveman

    People doin lockdown wont end good

  28. Delta A

    rebarbative

    Learn a new word every day at The Cat.

    Thanks, Nick. 🙂

  29. calli

    Come on Calli, don’t hide behind your mop & bucket.
    Do you think Australia is heading in the right direction, yes or no?

    Good gracious! Did you want “glib”?

    That lot took me an age to write!

  30. BrettW

    From The Daily Mail

    So over the week end will you receive a ticket if tell the police you are going to the great sale at JB ? Same article mentions they are closing some of their CBD stores.

    “JB Hi-Fi slashes prices on home entertainment buys during COVID-19 – launching a massive sale on smart TVs, gaming chairs, Xboxes and speakers
    Electronics retailer JB Hi-Fi has launched a massive sale on home entertainment
    Shoppers can expect huge savings, with prices slashed by up to 50 per cent
    Sale features TVs, gaming chairs, Xbox, speakers, smartphones and headphones”.

  31. bundyrum

    Calli, as usual you are a kind person & nobody on this site will deny that.
    But I will ask again, do you think the direction this country is going & has been going for say the last 50 years is the right way?
    Genuine question.

  32. Fisky

    The first difference is that isn’t time to organise properly and wait for the right moment. There is.
    The second is that Anzac Day is a suitable venue. It isn’t.
    The third is that armed insurrection is the only way forward. It isn’t.
    Don’t get me wrong, I fully accept that it may come to that – why do you think I was asking for input buying 14 shotguns two months ago? But that is the position of last resort, not the starting point.

    You think there might be an armed insurrection against the government? You weirdo.

  33. Peter the old fossil

    Mens Shed Envy?

    I think it’s a bit more than our sheds that she misses, Egg.

  34. mh

    Australia wasn’t heading in the right direction before all this.

    https://australiandebtclock.com.au/

  35. Arky

    Alright.
    Bought new radiator for the A. In the mail. $1200.
    Talked to my dealer.
    Run off his feet. Must be a lot of blokes with nothing else much to do but work on old cars.

  36. egg_

    Remember when Boris breathlessly told us they were digging ditches in Central Park for all the bodies?
    Remember when Hazzard said we might have to store the dead bodies in closed pubs & clubs cool rooms?

    Just 2 examples of the dissemblers’ work.
    Notabrain helping out GetUp! & co.

  37. cohenite

    So, the chunk virus combines with iron in the body to cause hypoxia; and since men have more iron than sheilas they are going to be more likely victims to the chunk virus. And as iron accumulates through life, older men are especially going to cop it.

    Terrific.

  38. notafan

    What appeal to authority?

    Like your self nominated sme status.

    And your weirdo reference to some comment from the ancient past, men’s shed, you don’t know me, obviously, I must have said something once, just once, in a million walked past car motorcycle discussions but there you are like a dog with a bone.

  39. Roger

    Australia wasn’t heading in the right direction before all this.

    The rot started with Gough.

  40. feelthebern

    Whoever posted the Gavin McInnes video, thanks.
    It’s an awesome tour of New York.

    I’m not a huge of his solo work.
    But I do find his wit & riffing with others hilarious.

  41. johanna

    Not bragging, but probably a better education than you had.

    Quoth Gilas.

    Uh, huh. 🙂

  42. DrBeauGan

    Beaugy:

    https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o

    Thanks, egg. I’ve sent it off.

    You’re a good man. But we knew that.

  43. bundyrum

    Fisky, bit hard to have armed insurrection when they took most of our guns away.

  44. egg_

    Trust me, I will not forget this.

    Ditto.
    Do the political class think we’re goldfish?

  45. Arky

    Dad died from leukemia.
    Before diagnosis he had too much iron in his blood and was told to give blood regularly to bring it down.
    Or at least, that’s how I remember it being explained.
    So maybe giving blood is a good idea for older dudes.

  46. cohenite

    Just vote PHON and/or SFF and stop going on about revolution.

  47. Peter the old fossil

    You think there might be an armed insurrection against the government? You weirdo.

    Not necessarily, Fisky. I’ve already stated repeatedly that such action is doomed to failure. Put simply, we are outgunned.

    But I do believe that if mass, peaceful protest starts to have any effect, police might just start shooting indiscriminately. In that case I fully intend shooting back.

  48. bundyrum

    Egg,the political class think we are expendable.

  49. Arky

    Not bragging, but probably a better education than you had.

    ..
    Education.
    Pah!
    I only completed three years of high school. You don’t need no education.

  50. Mitch M.

    egg_
    #3402594, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:33 pm
    Beaugy:

    https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o

    What the doctor is arguing appears consistent with the former post regarding COVID stripping heme out. That in effect causing an oxygen deficit. So oxygen therapy rather than ventilators might be sufficient. I think he wrong about it being the wrong paradigm though because the former post is entirely consistent with COVID causing the equivalent of high altitude sickness.

  51. notafan

    Well someone was giving us shots of Iranian mass graves.

    You are no better informed than I am.

    You rely on the same sources of information I do.

    What I don’t do though is regurgitate ultra right US conspiracy junk the preferred ‘appeal to authority’ here

    I prefer to draw my own conclusions based on the evidence but

    I trust most people are telling the truth when they talk about their personal experiences dealing with covid19 patients.

    Stuff like that.

  52. bundyrum

    Cohenite, totally agree, give the ruling class the biggest kick in the arse.

  53. egg_

    you are like a dog with a bone.

    You made several comments when Struth, myself and others were talking about Automotive diagnostics.
    JC was enquiring re his Beemer warning light.
    Mens Shed stuff.

  54. BrettW

    It is good to be the future King !

    “Naomi Campbell reveals she made a young Prince William blush after her ‘humble, down-to-earth’ friend Princess Diana let her surprise him after school at Kensington Palace with Claudia Schiffer”. Via Daily Mail.

  55. thefrollickingmole

    We have progressed to anarcho-tyranny.

    New laws made on the run selectively enforced and applied.

    This sort of thing…
    Ham Sandwich Nation: Due Process When Everything Is a Crime

    By Glenn Harlan Reynolds Published 3 July, 2014

  56. notafan

    Oh wow!

    Several comments.

    Clearly that ruined your life.

    You poor thing.

  57. feelthebern

    JC was enquiring re his Beemer warning light.

    Beemers are a warning light from end to end.

  58. harrys on the boat

    Its good that the pubs are doing take-away beers to clear the open kegs. You get that tap poured beer for home, ranging from $7 to $12 a litre. Baysie Bowls club has been doing it for a week or 2 now but actually got contacted by some local brewers asking if they can sell off a few kegs. So tonight, as well as the standard and usual Nail beers (inc 7% Nail Y2K Ale), a Lucky Bay beer is on tap. Alcohol is the only thing getting me through this.

  59. thefrollickingmole

    Before diagnosis he had too much iron in his blood and was told to give blood regularly to bring it down.

    Fairly common, roots the liver.

    https://haemochromatosis.org.au/

    A course of leeches is still the only cure.
    (or if you want to be all new fangled and modern you can give blood)

  60. calli

    But I will ask again, do you think the direction this country is going & has been going for say the last 50 years is the right way?
    Genuine question.

    The “right” way?

    That’s a huge question, but I’ll try to give a quick, short answer.

    It depends. Some things are fine, others (increasingly) are deplorable. But overall, no. We have given far too much that it worthy away to selfish and greedy weirdos.

  61. DrBeauGan

    What the doctor is arguing appears consistent with the former post regarding COVID stripping heme out. That in effect causing an oxygen deficit. So oxygen therapy rather than ventilators might be sufficient. I think he wrong about it being the wrong paradigm though because the former post is entirely consistent with COVID causing the equivalent of high altitude sickness.

    Yes, it does Mitch. I sent the earlier post, so it made sense to send what looks like an independent confirmation. The post cited is claiming the viral pneumonia paradigm is flawed. If the mechanism is as described in the earlier post is correct, then he’s right.

    Whether these guys are correct is yet to be determined, but it is clearly worth investigating.

  62. Seven States Mencius

    Are China and Hong Kong’s figures (four deaths in all of Hong Kong) true and correct?

    Hong Kong hotter and less polluted than Wu Han. Richer too one suspects. So maybe they have a lot of ventilators and can afford to buy all the right vitamins. Wuhan has had 5G up and running awhile. Hong Kong only just started their 5G on the 1st of April. So you know. Lets see if they get a bit of a boost going in a few weeks.

    Manilla is one to watch. So poor. Their President has them in lockdown, but now a big chunk of the country is starving. Manilla has 5G, slums, no ventilating equipment to speak of. The hospitals are using oxygen, but nothing flash as far as machinery is concerned. Or at least not enough of them to stop a deluge of deaths. Said to have 400 ventilators across the entire nation. I expect the bodies will start to pile up come September.

    But we have some answers. Cheap enough to even save the people of Manilla.

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    As for the talk of “armed insurrection”…I do hope that those here who are planning on participating remember to fill their pistols with water.

  64. Peter the old fossil

    Just vote PHON and/or SFF and stop going on about revolution.

    Which means in about 90% of cases, your vote will end up with whichever of the mainstream parties (Liberal/ Labor/ Nats/ LNP) you put highest in your order of preferences.

    Forget parties completely. Stop considering it a vote FOR somebody, and start thinking of it as a vote AGAINST somebody.

    Next election number your sitting member last, regardless of party.

  65. Kev

    It is estimated that over two million rats live in NYC.
    And then there’s the furry animals with tails in the sewers!

  66. thefrollickingmole

    https://haemochromatosis.org.au/treatment/

    Also if a family member had it get checked out, it runs in families.

    How is haemochromatosis treated?
    Treatment consists of the removal of blood by venesection (similar to donating blood). This is also sometimes called phlebotomy. Up to 500mL of blood is removed at regular intervals until the iron levels in the blood return to within the normal range.

    This can take up to 18 months with weekly or sometimes twice weekly venesections, depending on the original iron levels of the patient.

    Once normal levels of iron are re-established, venesections are used less frequently (three or four times a year) to maintain those levels throughout the patient’s lifetime.

    At what level should treatment begin?
    At any level above normal – the iron levels should be normalised as quickly as possible. Permanent damage, such as cirrhosis, occurs with iron overload and is irreversible. Your doctor will set up a treatment schedule for you.

  67. Roger

    Just vote PHON and/or SFF and stop going on about revolution.

    Disruption!

  68. Arky

    I’m announcing new restrictions.
    Please read the following new requirements and show your solidarity with our beleaguerered healthcare workers by obeying the new rules:
    From Monday, dogs can only be walked on their hindlegs. All homes are required to have two spay cans of cockroach insecticide, one Mortein and one Pea Beau. Cars can only be parked outside odd numbered houses on even dates, and outside even numbered houses on odd dates.
    Thankyou for your snivelling compliance. We will be cracking down hard now that people know the rules.

  69. calli

    Ahaha! I scroll up and Nota has used the word “weirdo” too.

    It’s a good word. When societies have all they want or need, they look to the fringe and elevate it to unearned prominence.

  70. feelthebern

    As for the talk of “armed insurrection”…I do hope that those here who are planning on participating remember to fill their pistols with water.

    lol.
    & their mobility scooters charged.

  71. Delta A

    I again, use Notafan as an example of the general female population, and their reaction.

    Struth, as I have told you previously, I agree with much that you write. But to use Notafan – or any woman – as an example of the female population is as futile as Notafan – or any woman – citing numbers or 8th dan as an example of the male population.

    Don’t sully your many excellent points with cheap shots.

  72. feelthebern

    Grigs is a good example of a human skin suit maker.

  73. Cassie of Sydney

    “& their mobility scooters charged.”

    And zimmer frames…actually the zimmer frames might be useful to deflect bullets when the police start shooting!

  74. bundyrum

    Thanks Calli, as usual you are fairly neutral.
    But I would still like to hear a solution from the female side to our problems in todays world.
    Do you think our political class are for the good of our nation?
    I personally think most of them are traitors.

  75. DrBeauGan

    As for the talk of “armed insurrection”…I do hope that those here who are planning on participating remember to fill their pistols with water.

    Ammonia works better. Disables temporarily if delivered in the face

  76. egg_

    SME’s obviously a trigger word.

    Calli’s an SME on gardening and landscaping – we (some of us) heed her advice and knowledge on such matters.
    We’re all an SME on something.
    What’s the issue?
    In Automotive diagnostics, I’m a bit of an SME (Trainer/Tier III Tech Support) but don’t blow my horn – you were treating our discussion as if we were a bunch of numpties talking through our hats, as usual.
    Issues.

  77. Gilas

    Arky
    #3402619, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    Education.
    Pah!
    I only completed three years of high school. You don’t need no education.

    You were a maths teacher n’est ce pas?
    So you probably understand your modular arithmetic, totient functions and RSA thingamajig-orithms.
    Respect!

  78. calli

    What do you want, bundy? Frothing at the mouth?

    I’ll leave the histrionics to others.

  79. Some History

    Everest and the therapeutic cigarette

    Recently I had the opportunity to read the official account of the 1922 Everest expedition, written mainly by its leader, Brigadier the Honorable C G Bruce. Of special medical interest, however, is a chapter on respiratory problems by Captain G I Finch, a strong and, at the time, rather unpopoular advocate of auxilliary oxygen, but, after Mallory, probably the finest mountaineer in the party. It reads:

    “Cigarette smoking proved of great value at high altitudes. At first we noticed that unless one kept one’s mind on the question of breathing—that is, made breathing a voluntary process instead of the involuntary process it normally is—one suffered from a lack of air and a consequent feeling of suffocation. . . . A voluntary process must be substituted, and this throws a considerable strain on the mind and renders sleep impossible. On smoking cigarettes, we discovered that after the first few inhalations it was no longer necessary to concentrate on breathing, the process becoming once more an involuntary one. Evidently some constitutent of the cigarette smoke takes the place and performs the stimulation function of the carbon dioxide normally present. The effect of a cigarette lasted for about three hours.”

    It is also of interest that listed among the stores of the successful first ascent of Kangchenjunga in 1955 were 25 000 cigarettes and 16 lb of tobacco, and I bet they finished the lot.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118334/

  80. feelthebern

    Footage of the Cats arming up.

  81. notafan

    Which I might point out I never do.

    And gee thanks for the compliment Delta.

    What precisely puts me in the numbers /grigs category?

  82. Delta A

    Infidel Tiger King, I watched two episodes of that doco this afternoon. What a hoot! And yes, I can see you as The Tiger King… apart from the gay bit…maybe…

  83. calli

    fill their pistols with water.

    I suppose there’s only a limited supply of James Bond’s urine.

    Sad. 😁

  84. Arky

    3 month wait for chickens.
    Outrageous.
    They’re just eggs some cock has spoofed on.

  85. DrBeauGan

    Dan is male? Okay.

    I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it’s adult either. A precocious fat chick of fourteen is my guess.

  86. miltonf

    The political class is mostly enthralled by the UN. Bishop was probably the most blatant example.

  87. calli

    Are you getting chooks, Arky? What sort?

  88. Roger

    As for the talk of “armed insurrection”…I do hope that those here who are planning on participating remember to fill their pistols with water.

    lol.
    & their mobility scooters charged.

    With dentures firmly glued in.

  89. egg_

    Mens Shed Envy?

    I think it’s a bit more than our sheds that she misses, Egg.

    A good cure for “hysteria”?

  90. egg_

    I told the Nonebot the Cat Mens Shed was busy turning out dildoes for charity.

  91. notafan

    Oh whatever.
    You said you were talking about a warning light!

    And years later your losing your mind over it.

    Says much about you.

    You can claim to be a SME on any subject you like.

    Noone knows who anyone here is in reality.

    Well just take your smeing on trust.

    And yes I was annoyed that you looked down your nose at me for not knowing straight off what your stupid acronym meant.

    Like I said I knew it as small medium enterprise.

  92. feelthebern

    Now this is a quality arming up scene.
    The best part?
    The tactical turtleneck.

  93. Arky

    Are you getting chooks, Arky? What sort?

    ..
    The eating sort.
    No.
    I don’t know. Do you have any chicken technical skills?
    I remember they ate barley. Or wheat.
    And you give them shell grit and they perch off the ground and need nesting boxes.
    I want pretty ones. Which are the pretty sort? I don’t want to eat ugly chicken’s eggs.

  94. Ellie

    SSM is the wonderfully libertarian bird. Free speech is not free here, SSM – be well.

  95. bundyrum

    Calli, As most females are, you will accept the shit we are all getting.
    I did think you were a tad different.

  96. bundyrum

    Oh god she is back.

  97. Mitch M.

    Yes, it does Mitch. I sent the earlier post, so it made sense to send what looks like an independent confirmation. The post cited is claiming the viral pneumonia paradigm is flawed. If the mechanism is as described in the earlier post is correct, then he’s right.

    Whether these guys are correct is yet to be determined, but it is clearly worth investigating.

    I take your point.

    The doctor fails to point out that the oxygen deprivation may not be just because of heme stripping because fluid accumulation also occurs in the lungs of COVID patient and that will exhaust the diaphragm. It’s not either or. The medical profession seems to often fall into that type of cognitive error. Lung inflammation is obviously present, heme stripping appears to happen, so we have something unique here.

    I’d like to know more about the ACE2 entry by COVID because that has implications for vasodilation and potentially fluid release into the lungs.

    He’s going to cop a beating for this clip. The medical profession is incredibly hierarchical and young doctors can pay a huge price for even suggesting an alternative approach. He is aware of that so kudos for speaking out. He has failed to address all the findings and doesn’t appreciate that where is there is significant fluid accumulation that does require a specific strategy and is completely different high altitude sickness.

  98. vlad

    I think – inter so much alia – it’s great how Cardinal Pell has come out of the prison untouched by the experience as far as one can tell, even joking about aspects of it and dismissing it as not so bad.

    They set out to break him and they failed miserably.

  99. Arky

    Leghorns.
    I remember we had leghorns.
    I don’t want those ones.
    The ones which aren’t leghorns, which are those?

  100. cohenite

    Dan is male? Okay.

    But he has no dick.

  101. Roger

    I think – inter so much alia – it’s great how Cardinal Pell has come out of the prison untouched by the experience as far as one can tell

    I’m sure he’s been touched by it…but not in the way his enemies imagined.

    He’s a mensch, that’s certain.

  102. Delta A

    Before diagnosis he had too much iron in his blood

    Arky, it could be that your father had Haemochromatosis, essentially too much iron in the blood. I mention this because it is a genetic disorder and you should have a blood test to determine if you have it.

    It is also treatable.

  103. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #3402642, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    I’m announcing new restrictions.

    Good idea. I’m announcing a few more
    1. Nobody to leave the house without red underpants on their head. If you haven’t got any, tough luck, this is effective immediately. Failure to comply will incur a fine of $10,000.
    2. No cars allowed on the road except model A Fords. Anything else will be fined $20,000.
    3. Shopping for anything except tortoises and birdseed is strictly prohibited. The purchaser of any other good will be fined his entire life savings and locked in a disused supermarket, of which there will be plenty the vendor will be hanged, drawn and eigthed.

  104. Boambee John

    So maybe giving blood is a good idea for older dudes.

    More than 30 years after leaving the UK, the blood bank is not interested in my blood, because “Mad Cow Disease”.

    I would have thought that symptoms would show by now!

  105. calli

    Australorps. Nice chooks and good layers.

    Make sure their coop is airy, clean and warm in cold Melbourne weather (check out prevailing winds and screen). They’ll eat just about anything but give them a good mash and some greens and make sure there’s some grit for their crops. Nice, comfy, private nesting boxes and handle the chooks often so they get used to you. The sprog will be good with them – she looks like a fearless, capable young lady.

    And watch out for urban Reynard. They’re everywhere. And they’ll kill the chooks for fun.

  106. Cassie of Sydney

    “He’s a mensch, that’s certain.”

    Yep…..and his faith sustained him during that awful ordeal. Kol Hakavod to him.

  107. A Lurker

    For reasons I will not go into now, my target date is Australia Day, January 26, 2020…

    Unless you possess a time machine, that day and date has already passed into history.

  108. calli

    Calli, As most females are, you will accept the shit we are all getting.
    I did think you were a tad different.

    Okay, smart fella. What exactly do you want me to do?

  109. Roger

    חַג כָּשֵׁר וְשָׂמֵחַ, Cassie.

  110. calli

    You guys are full of piss and wind.

    I’m working. I’m trying,

    What the hell are you doing, apart from mouthing off here?

  111. Harlequin Decline

    ryki
    #3402320, posted on April 9, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Agree with nearly all of your post except a minor point towards the end. The sample of people tested is far from random, there is significant sampling bias in that the tests are performed on people that already have symptoms. This heavily biases any derived population wide statistics.

  112. thefrollickingmole

    I want pretty ones. Which are the pretty sort? I don’t want to eat ugly chicken’s eggs.

    Frizzles Arky, you want Frizzles.

    But if you are a lazy wanker you may like the naked chooks.
    https://owlcation.com/agriculture/Featherless-Chickens

    https://youtu.be/8iynbYU_4cA

  113. Ellie

    Calli – are you okay? Every single person mouths off here. We are all full of piss and wind. Quarantine is revealing.

  114. Ellie

    Calli – you were always the soother.

  115. Roger

    Okay, smart fella. What exactly do you want me to do?

    Just keep doing what you’re doing, calli.

    Good night everyone.

  116. Mitch M.

    Boambee John
    #3402688, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:18 pm
    So maybe giving blood is a good idea for older dudes.

    More than 30 years after leaving the UK, the blood bank is not interested in my blood, because “Mad Cow Disease”.

    I would have thought that symptoms would show by now!

    Last I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus. That’s ludicrous. I wonder if it has changed.

  117. Cassie of Sydney

    “Roger
    #3402696, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:21 pm
    חַג כָּשֵׁר וְשָׂמֵחַ, Cassie.”

    Thanks Roger.

  118. vlad

    Greg Craven has resigned as Vice Chancellor of ACU.

    Fatso is trying to link this to his comments on her to Bolt.

    His letter of resignation notes that it has been in the pipeline since late last year. I see no reason to doubt that.

  119. A Lurker

    I’m sure it has been discussed already, but I don’t have the time to trawl through three pages of the open forum. Anyway, on the off-chance that it has been missed – here it is…

    Eighty mourners were granted an exemption by the state’s top doctor to attend a funeral on Thursday for a “significant” First Nation elder who died in central Queensland.

    The service was given the green light by Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young, despite strict rules dictating only 10 people were permitted to attend a funeral.

  120. calli

    I’m perfectly fine, Ellie.

    And highly amused.

  121. vlad

    Last I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus. That’s ludicrous. I wonder if it has changed.

    I signed up last year and the paperwork never asked about that. Sounds like an urban myth to me; in any case, it’s almost certainly not true now.

  122. DDDee

    Peter the old fossil
    #3402178, posted on April 9, 2020 at 1:08 pm
    Relying on a single 1950s death certificate

    Marilyn’s death certificate us dated 28/02/2019.
    It is a standard form used right across QLD and has been for some years.

    One that is actually closer MV. My Mum passed away 20/1/2020. How lucky are we!! Another month and who knows what would have been listed! Lung collapse, heart failure (no time listed). Dementia- 11years. She was 92.

  123. Delta A

    I only completed three years of high school. You don’t need no education.

    Ditto, Arky.

    I hated high school. I hated the teacher, whom I had for six lessons a day, and she hated me. I wagged school, to the extent that my poor parents were visited one evening by the truant officer. I couldn’t wait to leave, even if that meant that I would be a failure in life.

    Less than a year after leaving, I talked myself into a physio aide job, working with dreadfully handicapped – physically and mentally – children. A year later, I talked myself into a teaching position with these same children. Then I went back to school – at night – eventually gaining full teaching qualifications.

    I retired with many educational papers and a handbook (still in use) ‘under my belt’. I had served on the premier’s advisory committee for children with disabilities, taught – either as class teacher or relief – every level from kindergarten to year 12 physics. And in my spare time, I wrote four novels for fun, all published by reputable publishers.

    I write (admit) all of this to prove your point: (most formal) education doesn’t matter.

  124. rickw

    Mens Shed Envy?

    Placed order for shed today! 🙂

  125. Peter the old fossil

    Okay, smart fella. What exactly do you want me to do?

    Between now and next Australia Day?
    Help me send emails, lots of emails.
    Promote the protest on social media.
    Anything else you can think of.

    But you won’t.

  126. Peter the old fossil

    Last I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus

    How the hell would they know?
    Latency time six weeks max, depending on testing method.

  127. Siltstone

    johanna
    #3402204, posted on April 9, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    Excellent summary

  128. Arky

    I write (admit) all of this to prove your point: (most formal) education doesn’t matter.

    ..
    It matters if it’s indoctrination.
    Which increasingly, it is.
    But we understand each other, I think.
    I wonder if there will be an uptick in home schooling after this thing is over? I think probably yes.

  129. Nick

    Phrasing is everything

    The hospital is understandably elated. Shirley Heng, the hospital’s chief nurse, told the The Straits Times that she hopes that the cabin crew members will help nurses offer better service to patients.

    “This is also a good opportunity for our nurses to exchange knowledge and skills on service with the crew of Singapore Airlines, who are top service professionals.

    “We hope that this will be a meaningful experience for them.”

    Cabin crew have already undergone health screenings and received requisite vaccinations. They are now in training to learn medical terminology and how to safely interact with patients. Starting next week, the initial 30 will serve nine hour shifts, five days per week.

  130. calli

    But you won’t.

    I’m busy.

    Get one of the boys to do it.

  131. Mark A

    Arky,
    We have australorps. on the farm and some Rhode I reds.
    Australorps. are very business like, and good layers.
    Make sure you feed them medicated pellets, (against coccidiosis & other nasties), apert from that, they eat anything.

    PS if you want to eat the chickens, they don’t look the best when plucked due to the black feathers, they leave a dark tinge behind in the skin.

  132. Mitch M.

    vlad
    #3402712, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:31 pm
    Last I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus. That’s ludicrous. I wonder if it has changed.

    I signed up last year and the paperwork never asked about that. Sounds like an urban myth to me; in any case, it’s almost certainly not true now.

    Thanks, I just registered …

    https://www.donateblood.com.au/donate#find-a-donor-centre

  133. Tintarella di Luna

    Delta A
    #3402716, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    Kudos Delta A, magnificent.

  134. DrBeauGan

    I write (admit) all of this to prove your point: (most formal) education doesn’t matter.

    Most education today consists of learning to say the “right” things. And those who leave with that kind of degree are under the impression that they are educated, and hence socially and morally superior to those who haven’t.

    It has its comical aspect, but too many of them wind up in the bureaucracy, because they are of no use to anyone else.

  135. Peter the old fossil

    In keeping with the old adage “two’s company, and three’s a crowd”, it must be time for me to make myself scarce. Have fun folks, and play safe.

  136. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-leaked-intelligence-report-shows-us-was-warned-about-covid19-in-november/news-story/f46254a64f98f393d9935585611fa77b

    Never let the opportunity pass to create doubt in the minds of people regarding the competence of the President of the USA in a crisis and an election year.

    The leader of any Country if he is not a despot must rely on advice and seek to maintain optimism in the citizens.

    Not barracking for President Trump. I would say the same about any leader subjected to the asymmetrical psychological warfare of the fifth column.

    Flight out of here cancelled and booked on the last one out of here the next day.

    After that it all stops.

    If that flight is cancelled I’m fucked.

    I also note a preponderance of posts regarding the issue that was scoffed at by the great sages of Catallaxy Land a few months ago.

    I love armchair experts.

  137. cohenite

    So, if you’re an old codger you should:

    Give blood
    Take hydroxychlorinequinine
    Get a transfusion of antibodies from some youngster who’s had the chunk virus.

    Have I missed anything?

  138. Nick

    Is Fisher wearing makeup celebrating mass?

  139. egg_

    I’m working. I’m trying,

    It’s commendable what you’re doing, if the Cat commenters haven’t said it, they probably thought it.

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3402734, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:45 pm
    So, if you’re an old codger you should:

    Give blood
    Take hydroxychlorinequinine
    Get a transfusion of antibodies from some youngster who’s had the chunk virus.

    Have I missed anything?”

    Yes..in anticipation of the forthcoming insurrection…service those mobility chairs.

  141. 8th Dan:

    Mick GC … I’m enjoying a well earned beer.
    James Squire Hop Thief American Pale Ale No 9
    Cheers.

    Anyone who drinks a beer with a name that is a short novel is a poofter.

  142. cohenite

    Anyone who drinks a beer with a name that is a short novel is a poofter. With no dick.

  143. bundyrum

    100 years of emancipation & you females are still useless, just look at the useless females leading government in Queensland.
    Shoot at me I don’t care.

  144. bundyrum

    Mind you the males are shit too.

  145. Carpe Jugulum

    Anyone who drinks a beer with a name that is a short novel is a poofter.

    Fact Check: TRUE

  146. Overburdened

    Bit of a scan back to see if anything fresh is in the offing.

  147. Top Ender

    Embattled NSW MP Don Harwin was spotted clothes shopping in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, more than a week after he claims he relocated to his Central Coast holiday home.

    The Arts Minister was snapped in Westfield Eastgardens, carrying three Johnny Bigg shopping bags, on the afternoon of March 22nd.

    While only pictured from behind, The Daily Telegraph has confirmed the photos are of Mr Harwin.

    Daily Tele

  148. Arky

    That’s two votes for the Australorps.

  149. Mitch M.

    cohenite
    #3402734, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:45 pm
    So, if you’re an old codger you should:

    Give blood
    Take hydroxychlorinequinine
    Get a transfusion of antibodies from some youngster who’s had the chunk virus.

    Have I missed anything?

    Get stoned once a week. Preferably with cookies but smoking once a week isn’t going to hurt the lungs.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4

  150. Arky

    I don’t know.
    I don’t like how this one is looking at me.

  151. mh

    36 and 37 degrees for Perth Cats next two days.

    Enjoy your Easter on the beach and the water.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    Overburdened
    #3402732, posted on April 9, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    News Corp fake news.

    Pentagon Denies ABC News Report Military Intelligence Knew About Coronavirus in November

    The Pentagon late on Wednesday said an ABC News report that said a military intelligence unit wrote a report on the coronavirus in November is not accurate.

    Col (Dr.) R. Shane Day, the director of the National Center for Medical Intelligence at the Defense Intelligence Agency, said in a statement that as a matter of practice, the NCMI does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. He said:

    “However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.”

    A defense official added on background that the NCMI and the DIA spent considerable time over the last 24 hours examining every possible product that could have been identified as related to this topic and have found no such product.

    You’d think News Corp would realise that the media spectrum is chocka on the left and wide open on the right, then report accordingly. But no, lets all crowd into a sinking lifeboat.

  153. calli

    Mind you the males are shit too.

    🙂

  154. cohenite

    Get stoned once a week.

    What about champagne.

  155. egg_

    Teh Dumb:
    The Scrote definitely sounding doddery.
    Had no answer to Fanning’s enquiry re the Sydney-Melbourne air corridor being one of the busiest in the world and Virgin’s fate.
    “6 months to a year” to find out about the Airlines’ fate.

  156. calli

    They get that evil look, Arky. Stare the buggers down. They’ll do anything for food.

    And don’t eat them. The eggs are more valuable than a stringy boiler.

  157. Seven States Mencius

    Some good news and some bad news. Looks like chloroquine is banned for covid-19 use in Australia so far. Which means someone wants us dead or our wallets emptied. This is no reasonable disagreement. This is no good in and of itself, but it means that we cannot expect that the people in the ICU unit will help us in a meaningful way, if we wind up that far from home.

    Second bit of bad news is that the ventilators can damage your lungs permanently. I may have skim-read someone talking about this already. Also I saw a presentation where it showed what can go wrong in a way thats hard to visualise or explain verbally. But essentially its about part of your lungs being gunked up with fluid, and the pressure from the ventilator actually making the problem worse.

    So don’t expect a whole lot of help if you get in trouble. Even the hospital food will be inferior to what is needed. So this means that everything relies on preparing your body and your stash, so that things never get that far.

    Good news is that really high dosage intravenous vitamin C is pretty much a stand-in for the chloroquine-zinc combination. If you wound up in the intensive care unit, the first thing you want is intravenous vitamin C treatment. Gotta be hard core. Not as nutrient. As Chemo. Bad news is that the quacks are hyper-reluctant to allow this sort of thing as well. You’ll be gasping for air and the arrogant fuckers will argue the toss, or ignore you.

    Good news is that liposomal vitamin C might be a fair stand-in for intravenous vitamin C. Bad news is you may need a huge amount of it, from about the time the virus gets into your lungs.

    So the recommendation should be to prepare very thoroughly (D3 extreme. zinc and zinc enablers, selenium, iodine, vitamin A) and sort out in advance intravenous vitamin C treatment. Make sure you’ve got that organised in advance. Then also keep normal vitamin C handy since you burn through your bodies vitamin C as soon as you start getting sick. Before you are sick the normal diet may be good enough. Not so after you get sick. Big difference.

    But also develop a really big stash of the liposomal vitamin C variety, for when the lungs are affected. And you don’t just use a little bit. This is not C as a nutrient. Its C as chemo. Its bigtime C. Don’t stop until its liquid out the other end if your lungs are infected.

    Not now. Only after you are sick with a lung infection. Sorry for the repetition but you just cannot afford mistakes on this sort of stuff.

  158. calli

    And thanks, egg_. I pop in here in tea breaks and lulls because it’s fun and interesting and there’s always something new to think about.

    I just want all this crap to end. Like all of us.

    The only people who are thriving are the police and the pollies. Never a good sign.

  159. Frank

    The Scrote definitely sounding doddery.

    He looks like he isn’t sure where he is half the time. Has done for quite some time. JC posted a picture of him and his spawn on holiday last year and it made one strongly suspect booze may have been a contributing factor.

  160. Cassie of Sydney

    “The only people who are thriving are the police and the pollies. Never a good sign.”

    Too right.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Last I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus.

    Never seen that in decades of donating.
    They ask about injecting drugs but not smoking them.
    Never done that so I don’t know what they say if you tick yes.
    They don’t ask about booze either, which is a good thing. 😀
    But was talking to a blood service guy a week ago when I had to cancel because of another commitment, he said donation is a pain in the arse at the moment because they have to do the full social distancing thing. And rug up. I go to a mobile collection bus and there’s no room to swing a cat let alone social distance.

  162. Mitch M.

    ast I heard if you have smoked pot at any point in your life you cannot give blood in Aus.

    Never seen that in decades of donating.
    They ask about injecting drugs but not smoking them.
    Never done that so I don’t know what they say if you tick yes.

    I fell for an urban myth Bruce. I checked earlier and have booked an appointment.

  163. JC

    Just had a gnocchi starter and main course chicken cooked in a wood burning oven from Matilda’s restaurant. Desert was an apple/fruit crumble with this amazing brandy infused custard on top that you add separately. The meal was great, but the desert is literally to die for.

    There’s an upside to the lock-down.

  164. Ed Case

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen)

    That sounds like the Bohr Effect and it also sounds like what happens when a person dies of any cause.
    Here’s a video of a bloke explaining the Bohr Effect among other things.
    The interesting part starts around the 41.00 minute mark and takes about 4 minutes. https://buteykohealth.com.au/video/

  165. shatterzzz

    I only completed three years of high school. You don’t need no education.

    My son, for all intents and purposes, unofficially finished school mid-way thru year 8 due to illness. He refused to go back as he would have had to repeat 2 years to catch up .. whilst at home, sick/recovering , he took up computing on my Commodore 64 and then graduated to DOS and Windows 95 onwards .. turns out he was/is a, budding, Bill Gates .. fast forward to now .. happily married with 4 kids, owns 2 houses, and 3/4 of the way up the corporate ladder with one of the big telcos (what he doesn’t know about the technicality of mobile phone usage would fit on the back of a postage stamp) … all because of self taught computer ability .. he still has no formal school/computer qualifications …

  166. harrys on the boat

    36 and 37 degrees for Perth Cats next two days

    One of the many reasons the Wuhan Flu never got started here.

  167. Cohenite –

    So, the chunk virus combines with iron in the body to cause hypoxia; and since men have more iron than sheilas they are going to be more likely victims to the chunk virus. And as iron accumulates through life, older men are especially going to cop it.

    Get some antioxidants into your system – mop those free radicals up.

  168. egg_

    Peter the old fossil
    #3402598, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    The Cat virtual Mens Shed.

    How did Joh? fare with her fridge(?)?

  169. JC

    JC posted a picture of him and his spawn on holiday last year and it made one strongly suspect booze may have been a contributing factor.

    Frank, WTF?

  170. Howard Hill

    And if this bullshit lock down wasn’t enough. Some stupid turd has decided to do plumbing works on our water supply and now we can’t even use the water from our taps.

    Anyone else having their meters ripped out and replaced in South East Melbournbad?

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    Trudeau speaks to his people.

    “If people want to wear a mask that is okay. It protects others more than it protects you because it prevents you from breathing or speaking…moistly on them.,”

  172. Bruce in WA

    Thanks feelthebern for the John Wick clip.

    Thing is, Keanu really knows how to use the damn things, too! (And cop the delightful Halle Berry, too!)

  173. Farmer Gez

    Good news is that really high dosage intravenous vitamin C is pretty much a stand-in for the chloroquine-zinc combination.

    Nonsense.
    A complete misunderstanding of how chloroquine acts. Vitamin C is not a treatment for malaria or C-19.

  174. Snoopy

    This Harwin chap appears to be quite, how shall I put it, versatile?

  175. feelthebern

    JW 1, 2, 3 would be good documentaries to show young men while they are being homeschooled.

  176. harrys on the boat

    I see now 2988 have recovered from the Chicom Flu here in Aus, so only 3066 active cases. The recovery rate appears to be around 300 a day at present. Its over here in Aus. Finished. End this fucking bullshit now.

  177. Steve trickler

    Teetering on the edge with work at the moment. Still getting hours. I thought i was gone last week. What do ya reckon. Register with MyGov and add to our nations debt? Burning through savings is not comfy at the moment.

    I reckon Peter is right. They’ll probably claim it back in the future via your Super.



  178. feelthebern

    MV is such a chicken hawk.

  179. Cassie of Sydney

    Snoopy
    #3402785, posted on April 9, 2020 at 7:28 pm
    This Harwin chap appears to be quite, how shall I put it, versatile?

    From what I know about him….versatility is the word. To put it bluntly, Harwin represents everything that is wrong with the NSW Libs.

  180. Cold-Hands

    Cold Hands, thanks for that.
    Since you seem to be “in the trade” so to speak, perhaps you can clear up something else for me. Ventolin has always been available “over the counter” at pharmacies. But now some pharmacies will only supply it on receipt of a script.

    Is this the result of some official directive, or is it just pharmacies trying to limit supply?

    Sorry about the delay getting back to you- since recently being forced to switch to the NBN, my internet connection is intermittent, with a modem demanding regular hard resets, inability to get my landline working & no technician visits to rectify problems because of the WuFlu.

    Ventolin was restricted in supply by another official diktat, although it sounds like pharmacists demanding a script to dispense were going above & beyond what the regulation called for. Ventolin could be dispensed

    where supply is limited:

    c) to persons with evidence of a medically diagnosed lung condition; or

    d) to persons with a record of previous supply from the pharmacist; or

    […]

    where paragraph (c) or (d) applies—supply is limited to one primary pack of salbutamol per person.

    The aim was to prevent stockpiling/hoarding & to guarantee supply to patients who needed it. However this regulation is no longer in force nationally, as presumably, supply to pharmacies has improved. If your pharmacist is still insisting on a prescription, then the supply chain of ventolin in his area must still be sporadic.

  181. Some History

    Don Harwin is NSW Minister for the YARTZ

    https://imgur.com/OBuFQTQ

  182. Hay Stockar

    I seem to be in moderation. I think a filthy give up has had a whinge tothe the Doomlord.
    Back to lurking again I suppose.

  183. Seven States Mencius

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen)

    Yes this is the secondary thing that it seems to be doing. Its not only getting in the normal cell and replicating. It also seems to be getting in the haemoglobin and dumping the iron out into the blood. Poisoning you and robbing you of oxygen. Such a devious little bugger you’d have to assume a bioweapon. Chloroquine also appears to help on this score. Might be a couple more weeks before I’d venture to try and prove this pathway to anyone. But its talked about a lot right now. So this lack of chloroquine is a malicious blow. Very cruel.

  184. Ed Case

    Vitamin C is not a treatment for malaria or C-19.

    Perhaps not, but since it’s not patentable, no one in the ‘Elf Industry wants to find out.
    Lady Cilento reckoned it cured many things, snakebite included.
    The Queensland Government spent about $500,000 removing her name from the Queensland Childrens Hospital in 2018 for her opinions, so I’ll do some research on what else she said about Vitamin C.

  185. miltonf

    Cassie you took the words right out of my mouth re Harwin. Seems to be a driving force in wrecking power stations. Highly regarded by Trumble. I really think they are worse than Carr or more likely they are doing the stuff Carr didn’t think he could get away with.

  186. Cassie of Sydney

    “miltonf
    #3402808, posted on April 9, 2020 at 7:46 pm
    Cassie you took the words right out of my mouth re Harwin. Seems to be a driving force in wrecking power stations. Highly regarded by Trumble. I really think they are worse than Carr or more likely they are doing the stuff Carr didn’t think he could get away with.”

    Harwin is a Photios crony….like Kean, Gladbag and Baird.

  187. miltonf

    Formerly known as ‘the Group’.

  188. notafan

    Hay Stockard

    You are missing a d

  189. Seven States Mencius

    Vitamin C is not a treatment for malaria or C-19.

    No actually Farmer Gez intravenous megadoses of it should be able to kick both problems down the road. Like it can do for just about anything. Hard core megadose intravenous vitamin C treatment can even kick cancer down the road a few months. And since the crucial time you need it might be fairly short-term, maybe even 4 days to a week, then it ought to be a very good treatment for this virus. Maybe less so for malaria. Because malaria is more of a long-term deal.

    I can find the studies if you are really doubting me. But intravenous vitamin C can be so concentrated it will force its way inside the cell, kill all the viruses there, and all them in the blood-stream as well. You might only need that for a few days before your own body gets a handle on things.

    Anyway its been tested and it works and really thats the end of it. But oral vitamin C can only be a nutrient replacement scheme. Its not a full-blown chemo-like strategy. You end up crapping it all out.

  190. JC

    So this lack of chloroquine is a malicious blow. Very cruel.

    There isn’t a lack of it. The government has directed storage and prescriptions can only be made out by the hospitals tending to the China bug. There’s also supposedly a huge government mandated stack of the crap with Chemist Warehouse. The arsehole government has centralized storage and dispensing of this drug.

  191. JC

    And docs.. regular docs are not allowed to prescribe it. This place is better off being taken over by the PRC.

  192. Farmer Gez

    The lockdown in the UK shows no signs of success yet.
    A two thousand rise in new cases and a record death toll yesterday.

  193. Fasting and megadosing with vitamin D is more interesting.

  194. Mitch M.

    Ed Case
    #3402804, posted on April 9, 2020 at 7:42 pm
    Vitamin C is not a treatment for malaria or C-19.

    Perhaps not, but since it’s not patentable, no one in the ‘Elf Industry wants to find out.

    That is a huge problem because trials, even animal studies, cost mountains and nearly all clinical trials are financed by Big Pharma. That’s why they release new antidepressants and antipsychotics on a regular basis. As the patent expires they just tweak the molecule. Efficacy is hardly touched.

    There were trials on IV Vit C for cancer. Caused a massive oxidative insult. I have the protocol somewhere in my archives but I think the trials have not gone forward.

    Another issue where money matters is supplements. Many supplements are natural compounds. I don’t buy the “you can get all your nutrients from a balanced diet” mantra, especially in relation aging. Vitamins not so much, mineral supplementation is worth thinking about, especially magnesium, zinc, and selenium. There are others out that like alpha lipoic acid(not racemic!), benfotiamine(thiamine like), A L carnitine, Biloba, Ginseng, that seem to show some promise. The problem of course is quality. Lots of bogus product out there.

  195. Top Ender

    Public health experts have called for a ban on cigarette sales, declaring the government’s response to the coronavirus “farcical” given how many more people died annually from tobacco-related illnesses.

    COVID-19 would be “unlikely to ever match the relentless and growing annual toll from tobacco smoking” and its spread was an “opportune time to move towards removing cigarettes from general retail sale”, according to analysis published in the latest issue of Tobacco Control, an international health journal.

    The death toll from COVID-19, which has infected almost 6000 Australians, reached 50 in Australia on Wednesday. Around 15,000 Australians die each year from tobacco related illnesses, according to the Cancer Council.

    “If governments had acted to protect the public from tobacco with a fraction of the effort (and financial investment) they have exerted to control this coronavirus, many millions of lives could have been saved, and underlying demand on health services significantly reduced,” they said.

    Link

  196. Farmer Gez

    I’m watching Tiger King.
    The characters are less nuts than Seven States Mencius.
    Good night all.

  197. JC

    Fisky and Artiewald will love this.

    I was chatting with a real estate broker pal today who deals in big ticket real estate. He has two deals that have just been done in the past week and a half. Both from Hong Kong for homes in top area.. SIGHT UNSEEN!

  198. Seven States Mencius

    Hydroxychloroquine, not chloroquine.

    Actually I think you have both. Don’t bet your left hand on it. But I think you have two kinds.

  199. cohenite

    That sounds like the Bohr Effect and it also sounds like what happens when a person dies of any cause.

    Right. You want to oxygenate your blood take nandrolene. Then you can breath how you want.

    We are getting some really interesting suggestions on what to do about the chunk virus if you catch it.

  200. feelthebern

    Excellent news Gez.

    Also, JC, excellent news.
    Australia needs as much foreign capital as it can get at this time.

  201. JC

    I’m watching Tiger King.
    The characters are less nuts than Seven States Mencius.
    Good night all.

    If I recall right, he gay dude who is now in jail for trying to organize a hit on someone he doesn’t like.. did he get 19% of the vote in the Florida gov race? Did I hear that correctly?

  202. feelthebern

    Oklahoma JC.
    The woman is in Florida.

  203. Frank

    JC,

    Frank, WTF?

    You had a photo of Barry Cassidy that you found somewhere of him and his family on holiday in Spain. They were all dressed in white with major suntans and looking well and truly pickled.

  204. feelthebern

    Classic Seinfeld about to start.
    The Limo episode.

  205. cohenite

    Harwin is a Photios crony….like Kean, Gladbag and Baird.

    I’m advocating violence but that lot should be shot. Harwin is a slimebag.

    What a dilemma: filth, liars and the suckbags of the lnp.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    Public health experts have called for a ban on cigarette sales, declaring the government’s response to the coronavirus “farcical”

    So far public health experts commenting on coronavirus have called for banning smoking, guns, alcohol and climate deniers. I think that says a lot about public health experts.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    Harwin is a Photios crony….like Kean, Gladbag and Baird.

    Is Harwin gay?

  208. JC

    We are getting some really interesting suggestions on what to do about the chunk virus if you catch it.

    I thought I had it until today. I had to go on long term anti-biotic dosage (3 months) and I had similar symptoms to how the China bug starts. Feeling unwell and lots of aches and joint pains. It had been going on for the past week. The Doc took me off the anti-biotic a few days ago and now feel fine, so it was a reaction to the meds.

    Breathe easy, Cronkite. I’m still around to speaking truth to power.

    And Climate justice Now!

  209. Some History

    … the latest issue of Tobacco Control, an international health journal a prohibitionist rag.

    The prohibitionists are yelping… AHHHHH OOOOOO!

    Alcohol ban decreases crime rate in South Africa
    Minister of Police General Bheki Cele wishes the ban on alcohol to continue after lockdown

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/alcohol-ban-decreases-crime-rate-in-south-africa-/1794500

  210. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3402836, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:06 pm
    Harwin is a Photios crony….like Kean, Gladbag and Baird.

    Is Harwin gay?”

    I’ll give you one guess.

  211. Gyro Cadiz

    I have read Catallaxy’s articles for many years but not commented here much.

    A question.

    Whatever happened to poor old Graeme Bird? I recall his descent into madness, it was distressing to watch.

    Is he recovered? Or has he departed from us?

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    So, if you’re an old codger you should:
    Give blood
    Take hydroxychlorinequinine
    Get a transfusion of antibodies from some youngster who’s had the chunk virus.

    Have I missed anything?

    Yes.

    Stop annoying the younger, fitter,
    and more agile,
    majestically mentally endowed yet tragically Male Pattern Bald Men such as myself while we work to save you from yourselves..

    This especially applies to The Women.

    #awomansplaceishersafespaceinthekitchen

  213. Interesting. A recent meta study (2018) of Vitamins C and D, Zn and echinacea and the common cold.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5949172/

    It would be interesting if they also looked at Elderberry extract.

  214. JC

    You had a photo of Barry Cassidy that you found somewhere of him and his family on holiday in Spain. They were all dressed in white with major suntans and looking well and truly pickled.

    Oh yea. Recall Bwarrie was all splendorous in his white linen suit, looking very Amalfi coast, which is where they were I think. I’ll see if I can find it and post it up again.

    Lol, I understood it that I had posted a pic of my family up on the site.

  215. Seven States Mencius

    Fasting and megadosing with vitamin D is more interesting.

    Sure but thats preparation phase. In the preparation phase you need to build up your D serum levels. Whereas if you are healthy you don’t really need much vitamin C. Without the Hydroxy-Chloroquine availability the second longest peg in the tent (after D3 buildup) will be zinc. This is because zinc is very hard to absorb.

    For example I have a can of oysters, and a pack of zinc capsules. But unless I can brackets these between two cups of hot green tea, and maybe have the oysters with purple onions …. then its probably not worth taking the zinc source. So since we cannot rely on the hydroxy-chloroquine being available, we have to put some time and effort into this zinc absorption caper.

    For example last night I had one bottle of super dark red wine. Basically black. Then I had my zinc tablet, then I had another bottle. Thats what I mean by “bracketing.”

    Now you know………… I’m not putting this out there as such a great medical protocol. But I’m illustrating the principle involved here. In this scheme of things I’m taking almost no vitamin C at all. Maybe averaging one vitamin c tablet every 3 days. Nothing really. Everything changes with the sore throat. Then the consumption of the oral stuff moves into high gear. Then when the lungs get hit, thats when the super-dose of liposomal starts.

    So we are talking about different phases.

  216. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3402833, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:05 pm
    Classic Seinfeld about to start.
    The Limo episode.”

    Thanks Bern…..one of my faves.

  217. Overburdened

    As ever I am reminded of the observation, opinions are like arseholes. Most everyone has one and some are better than others, so try to ensure that your opinion is an informed one.

    I suspect that this was a driver of Platonic questioning, which is one of the luxuries I indulge in when fulfilling a professional role.

    Naturally I look forward to getting back to the camp where I can be an opinionated arsehole like everyone else.

  218. JC

    feelthebern
    #3402831, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:04 pm

    Oklahoma JC.
    The woman is in Florida.

    Yea… but same difference. 🙂

  219. Leigh Lowe

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3402840, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3402836, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:06 pm
    Harwin is a Photios crony….like Kean, Gladbag and Baird.

    Is Harwin gay?”

    I’ll give you one guess.

    My guess is … “camp like a row of tents”.

  220. Stimpson J. Cat

    Is he recovered? Or has he departed from us?

    He has recovered and is very well.
    He is a Yoga Teacher and Ether Electronics Technician.

  221. Cassie of Sydney

    “Whatever happened to poor old Graeme Bird? I recall his descent into madness, it was distressing to watch.”

    He’s here as you write.

  222. feelthebern

    So far public health experts commenting on coronavirus have called for banning smoking, guns, alcohol and climate deniers.

    & knock shops, race courses…
    V8’s next.

  223. Cassie of Sydney

    “My guess is … “camp like a row of tents”.”

    Very good LL….gold star.

  224. The ether is probably real Stimpy.

    There are some weird anomalies in special relativity observed from satellite data.

    It does not mean relativity is wrong per se.

    It is fair to say there is more experimental evidence for ether than there is dark matter.

  225. Seven States Mencius

    The characters are less nuts than Seven States Mencius.

    Everyone has that Darwinist moment it seems. But its important that I show up with the proof. So I’ll find that study , and maybe I’ll convince him before its too late.

  226. Bruce of Newcastle

    It is fair to say there is more experimental evidence for ether than there is dark matter.

    Yes. I used to use lots. It’s an excellent solvent! 😉

  227. feelthebern

    Series 3 of Seinfeld was when it really got running.
    Curb was awesome from episode 2 of the first series onwards.

  228. Mitch M.

    For example last night I had one bottle of super dark red wine.

    Today a study was released that came up with an unusual finding: the resveratrol in wine acts in a way like estrogen thereby boosting sirtuins(typically a good thing) but beyond a certain limit it did the exact opposite. Now to find a way to boost aromatase, the enzyme that converts T to E.

  229. feelthebern

    Snippets of the Limo.

  230. “Gayer than Steven Stucker wisecracking at an orgy hosted by Rock Hudson”

  231. old bloke

    As for the talk of “armed insurrection”…I do hope that those here who are planning on participating remember to fill their pistols with water.

    Some folk here possibly had ancestors who were sent here 200 years ago for insurrection, for “firing upon His Majesty’s troops.” Where will they send the new insurrectionists?

    Antarctica?

  232. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From cohenite at 3:56 pm:

    ” I know, I had stalked her from the time I saw her in Bullitt with the great Steve McQueen

    Oh dear, your takeaway from Bullitt was Jackie and not this:”

    The sound of his ’68 Mustang (a very ordinary vehicle made cool by the great man) sits on my mobile as a ring tone, along with Bombora, Black magic woman, The boys light up, Light of day (LRB with the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra) Mack the knife, Sorrento moon, Warmth of the sun, Your latest trick, There are places I remember, Sounds of then, Silly love songs (for when my girls call), Colleen Hewett’s Day by Day, for when they send me on my way; On every street; Up from down under (Tommy Emanuel, beautiful); Phil Collins with his drums in Against all odds; Bill Collins calling Bonecrusher along the straight in the ’86 Cox Plate; Meninga scoring against the Poms over there in 1990 – it’s an indulgence, I know.

  233. JC

    Some folk here possibly had ancestors who were sent here 200 years ago for insurrection, for “firing upon His Majesty’s troops.

    That’s the Irish politicals. Most of the others were scumbags. It was an interesting era. They thought that if they could be of criminal elements, the population would be purified of that type. Didn’t work out though.

  234. Ryan

    Just watched ScoMo’s Easter message.

    Great to see an icon of Christ right beside him for the whole video. Leftist screeching incoming.

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