Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

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  1. Cassie of Sydney

    So we now have, here in NSW, two Photios dregs….Health Hazzard and Don Giovanni Halfwit, who are still in their jobs….despite utter arrogance and utter incompetence.

  2. Some History

    Nitric oxide helps high-altitude survival

    “CLEVELAND, Nov. 6 US researchers have discovered high blood levels of nitric oxide allow people to live at high altitudes where air has low levels of oxygen.
    Dr. Serpil Erzurum, chairman of the Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Pathobiology, and colleagues from Case Western Reserve University analyzed blood samples and blood flow readings from 88 Tibetans living at altitudes of 14,000 feet. They compared the measurements with those of 50 people who live at locations near sea level.
    The Tibetans were found to have 10 times more nitric oxide and more than double the forearm blood flow of sea-level dwellers.
    The researchers said they believe the high levels of nitric oxide cause an increased blood flow that provides body tissues with sufficient amounts of oxygen despite low levels of oxygen in both the air and the bloodstream.”
    https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2007/11/06/Nitric-oxide-helps-high-altitude-survival/20491194386939/

    From back in 1993

    “Instructor in Anaesthesia Dr. Jesse D. Roberts, Jr., a member of Zapol’s research group, said the discovery also explains why mountain climbers short of breath often claim that smoking cigarettes makes them stronger. The seeming paradox may be due to the presence of nitric oxide in cigarette smoke”

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1993/2/11/study-finds-benefits-of-pollutant-pa/

  3. Cassie of Sydney

    “egg_
    #3402873, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:35 pm”

    So now…we have the corrupt venal CCP lackey Turdross blaming “waaaaaacism” and in particular blaming the “waaaaacism” of the Taiwanese. You couldn’t make this up.

  4. Jessie

    It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth.

    This article had been posted on ?CFiles some weeks ago- referring to previous comments on ?heme stripping, oxygen vs ventilators etc

    “When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

  5. Tintarella di Luna

    From what I know about him….versatility is the word. To put it bluntly, Harwin represents everything that is wrong with the NSW Libs.

    So Ross Cameron was right then

  6. Some History

    Could the gas that gave us Viagra hold the key to treating coronavirus?

    Doctors in the US and Europe are testing nitric oxide to revive oxygen starved blood vessels in the lungs and spare patients from needing ventilators
    7 April 2020

    “Doctors from around the world are seeing if the gas that gave us the ‘little blue pill’ will also help treat the novel coronavirus as it continues to spread.
    Nitric oxide is a colorless gas helps blood vessels dilate, which in turn leads to increasing the amount of oxygen flowing throughout the body.

    It’s been used to treat newborns with heart defects and led to the development of the erectile dysfunction drug Viagra.
    Now, scientists from three US states and three European countries are testing to see the drug can provide oxygen to starved blood vessels in the lungs and spare patients from needing ventilators.”

    “Nitric oxide was found to be so important that it was named Molecule of the Year in the journal Science in 1992.
    What’s more, in 1998, three US researchers won the Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine ‘for their discoveries concerning nitric oxide as a signaling molecule in the cardiovascular system.’

    For years, doctors have been using blends of nitric oxide/oxygen blends in critical care to dilate blood vessels to treat infants with birth defects.
    This is often breathed in as gas as a last resort method before a baby has to be put on an Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) machine, which pumps and oxygenates a patient’s blood outside the body, allowing the heart and lungs to rest.

    Nitric oxide is also sometimes given to diabetes patients, who have low supplies of the molecule, which can lead to vascular damage.
    Additionally, the gas has been found to have antiviral properties against different types of coronaviruses.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8197899/Could-nitric-oxide-treat-coronavirus-doctors-testing-gas-gave-Viagra.html

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3402879, posted on April 9, 2020 at 8:40 pm
    From what I know about him….versatility is the word. To put it bluntly, Harwin represents everything that is wrong with the NSW Libs.

    So Ross Cameron was right then”

    Yes Tinta…and John Ruddock has just confirmed it on Sky….Gladhag can’t sack Halfwit….it is Halfwit that pulls the strings…..it is Halfwit that does the sackings.

  8. Bruce in WA

    A suspected Covid-19 male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing a ventilator mask over his mouth and nose. A young student female nurse appears and gives him a partial sponge bath.

    “Nurse,”‘ he mumbles from behind the mask, “are my testicles black?”

    Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, “I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here to wash your upper body and feet.”

    He struggles to ask again, “Nurse, please check for me. Are my testicles black?”

    Concerned that he might elevate his blood pressure and heart rate from worrying about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and pulls back the covers.

    She raises his gown, holds his manhood in one hand and his testicles gently in the other.

    She looks very closely and says, “There’s nothing wrong with them, Sir. They look fine.”

    The man slowly pulls off his ventilator mask, smiles at her, and says very slowly,
    “Thank you very much. That was wonderful. Now listen very,
    very, closely:

    “Are – my – test – results – back?”

  9. Rex Mango

    Why waste nitrous on coronavirus patients, when we should be using it in our cars, for free horsepower.

  10. MatrixTransform

    And you give them shell grit and they perch off the ground and need nesting boxes.

    and between shell grit and nesting, they eat every thing from seedlings to slugs … and turn it into shit

    Arky about to find out how many foxes live in inner suburbian melbourne

    you won’t need to mow the lawn

  11. feelthebern

    Could the gas that gave us Viagra hold the key to treating coronavirus?

    Awwww sheeeeeit.

  12. Rex Mango

    Good the Bad & the Ugly just starting on ch95

  13. Tintarella di Luna

    – Vitamin C –

    Lady Cilento reckoned it cured many things, snakebite included.

    There was a NSW doctor by the name of Archivides “Archie” Kalokerinos who believed in the power of Vitamin C — he did a lot of work in indigenous communities — needless to say Dr Kalokerinos was universally loathed by the medical supremos — he was an anti-vaccination advocate as well so there is that.

  14. Rex Mango

    Lee Van Cleef makes entrance on like a Spanish dancing horse. Great first scene where no talking & you hear the wind, like Blowup.

  15. feelthebern

    What channel is 95 Rex?

  16. Ed Case

    Vitamin C injection will cure snakebite instantly, according to this chap.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvp9fdxIFHw
    That doesn’t mean it will cure Corona-Hoax, but since until 5 minutes ago I believed the Government line that only Antivenene can do much for snakebite, why not give it a shot?

  17. Well oil beef hooked.
    From the Hun:

    ‘Roadblocks would be set up on Victoria’s Great Ocean Road in a radical bid to stop rogue holiday makers spreading COVID-19 over Easter. Senator Sarah Henderson wants police to check all cars on the iconic route.’

    Now, gentle reader, isn’t this the same Sarah Henderson who held the country’s most marginal seat in Corangamite? And she wants to have the jacks to inspect cars along the road? Set aside the crap paragraph (spreading COVID-19), this er, edict should ensure that Ms Henderson never sees the inside of Parliament for the remainder of her days. FMD

  18. Rex Mango

    Best treatment for bronchitis/pneumonia is postural drainage, where you lie on your stomach with your head over the edge of a bed, someone bashes you on the back & you hock big gollies out for 20min or so.

  19. Rex Mango

    ftb, that is free to air 95, high definition too.

  20. Cactus

    Rex re Good bad and ugly. Damn that is a good movie. Just incredible. I watched it the first time via some random channel when I was about to go to bed. Heard the name, the signiture tune and went Ill just watch 15mins. Watched the whole damn thing. Was tired at work the next morning.

    I actually think the Ugly steals the show in the whole movie. His presence to me was the biggest.

  21. feelthebern

    Best treatment for bronchitis/pneumonia is postural drainage, where you lie on your stomach with your head over the edge of a bed, someone bashes you on the back & you hock big gollies out for 20min or so.

    Also, Christopher Pyne’s Saturday night…

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    Lee Van Cleef makes entrance on like a Spanish dancing horse. Great first scene where no talking & you hear the wind, like Blowup.

    Please don’t liveblog The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.

    It’s worse than talking in Church.

    Incredibly disrespectful and rude.

  23. feelthebern

    Ah you mean Gem.
    Got it.

  24. Rex Mango

    In fact, if all coronavirus sufferers wore gravity boots like Richard Gere at the start of American Gigilo and hung upside down for most of the day, am pretty sure the death rate would drop precipitously.

  25. Rex Mango

    Cactus, yeah had that experience before. You tune in for couple of minutes & can’t turn it off.

    ftb, that is very funny.

  26. Seven States Mencius

    That doesn’t mean it will cure Corona-Hoax

    Yeah but it will. If you’ve done all your other preparations. Since in strong enough concentrations its going to kill so many of the viruses, and scoop up so much toxic gick, that your body should be able to do the rest.

    Its just this tendency that this treatment has to buy you time. And since this virus puts you in the danger zone for a fairly limited time, supposing it doesn’t kill you, then the IV super-doses should be very helpful bringing you through the fire.

    But if its a more long-term thing, well thats another matter.

  27. DrBeauGan

    Some of our domestic sparkling wines are better than many a genuine champagne. Likewise proseccos.

    I find Australian sparkling wine to be rebarbative.

    😃 it’s all a matter of taste, Nick. I find Australian reds rough, coarse and brutal.

  28. Jessie

    I’d like to know more about the ACE2 entry by COVID because that has implications for vasodilation and potentially fluid release into the lungs.

    2005 study on SARS-CoV and the same
    ACE2 Receptor Expression and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection Depend on Differentiation of Human Airway Epithelia

    and later part of a larger study
    2013 Receptor recognition and cross-species infections of SARS coronavirus see Figure also 6/7

    and later articles published referencing this work.

  29. Mitch M.

    Nitric oxide helps high-altitude survival

    So then, eat beetroot and obtain arginine, the substrates for the body to make NO. I’d be cautious about administering NO because under inflammatory conditions NO can become ONOO- which is the nastiest reactive nitrogen species in the body. Very damaging. NO that dilates the blood vessels is usually via eNOS and NO is then tightly constrained in an intracellular compartment but NO free to roam through the tissues is potentially dangerous because even some immune cells generate NO via iNOS and that is not tightly constrained but is a good bug killer. Short half life though for NO, last I read long time ago 30sec.

  30. Rex Mango

    Stimpy, howse about a challenge to the theme music:

    Nananana na na na, woo oo oo oo woo wa wa wa, wake in fright, eat the cock, da da dah

  31. And in Premier League news:

    ‘Premier League chief executive Richard Masters wrote to the head of the parliamentary sports committee Julian Knight, to defend the decision by some clubs in the world’s richest soccer competition to have the government pay the wages of fuloughed non-playing staff.’

    Knight apparently is a conservative MP and promptly told Masters lolgf.
    That is of cold comfort to lower league clubs like Sunderland and Crewe, whose players are now on the government job retention scheme.

  32. Rex Mango

    Clint Eastwood is not blonde in this film. Why do they call him Blondie?

  33. Nick

    it’s all a matter of taste, Nick. I find Australian reds rough, coarse and brutal.

    Really ??? French whites are excellent, but I find their reds thin and insipid. Bang for buck, Aussie reds are amazing. Dan Murphy’s have some great ones ‘under wraps’.

  34. Harlequin Decline

    I took a look at the 1968 flu pandemic which caused 1M+ deaths worldwide. Today the equivalent number of deaths would be 2M+ given the world population doubling.

    In particular this paper –
    Multinational Impact of the 1968 Hong Kong
    Influenza Pandemic: Evidence for a Smoldering
    Pandemic

    They have tables for the excess deaths attributed to the pandemic over and above the expected deaths across the flu season. To ensure accuracy they have seasonally and age adjusted the expected deaths.

    The results make interesting reading. The 1968 flu came in 2 waves so my takeaway is that unless we see excess deaths from all causes significantly above half of the numbers below we have a serious case of Government overreaction.

    ———————–Excess Deaths—-
    Country—–Flu Caused—-All Causes

    USA———— 44%————6%
    Canada——–40%————6%
    UK————–52%————15%
    France———74%————14%
    Japan———-57%————17%
    Australia——51%————11%

  35. cohenite

    Poor bloody Bernard Gaynor:

    I last wrote to you on 5 March. And since then the world has changed.

    On the one hand, the reaction to the Corona Virus has turned us into a nation of informants and a socialist state complete with beach police.

    And, on the other, we’ve just seen the High Court rectify one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in Australian history.

    There has also been plenty of action in my own matter.

    The NSW Court of Appeal has dismissed my challenge to new NSW laws giving the tribunal power over Burns’ complaints against me on the basis that the NCAT is not exercising federal judicial power.

    You can read the judgement here.

    Who knows what the hell that means…especially given these matters are federal matters by their very nature as we both live in different states.

    All that the NSW Court of Appeal has done is create legal uncertainty with its sophistry.

    Basically, I’ve won against Burns four times now and the NSW Court of Appeal has decided that’s not enough. I’ve got to do it a fifth time just to be sure, even though its ruling implicitly recognises that NCAT’s 2015 decision to dismiss Burns’ complaints against me was valid.

    And, during all of this, the NSW Attorney General has backed Burns while this massive waste of time and money continues.

    I will now need to go back to the High Court. My legal team will be lodging the paperwork to start that process next week.

    I now also need to go back to NCAT and waste my time there, two years after the High Court ruled that NCAT had no power over Burns’ complaints.

    And I now need to continue defending myself in the NSW Local Court because that’s where Burns’ complaints now are thanks to a decision made in the Tribunal to send his complaints there after it had already dismissed Burns’ complaints as misconceived.

    And all of this is going on because a law was made over four years after Burns’ first complaint against me and after I’d already defeated him twice.

    Of course, the complaints against me continue.

    Despite this, there is some good news.

    Firstly, Mark Latham has managed to obtain confirmation from the NSW Attorney General that he will not pay Burns’ High Court costs.

    Secondly, Burns’ failure to pay me these costs will now come before the NSW Supreme Court where I will be seeking an examination of his finances, payment or bankruptcy.

    What has happened here is that NSW LNP has amended its own legislation to overcome a deficiency whereby an activist litigant such as burns could not sue a person in another state.

    What a loathsome bunch the libs are in this state.

  36. calli

    Heh. Is there any crime he didn’t commit? Nasty Canasta, I mean.

  37. Rex Mango

    Good shooting Clint, with a Winchester lever action, got the hangman’s rope & four punters hats, before meeting up later for the rendezvous payout.

  38. Some History

    Beating high altitude sickness with beet juice
    2015

    “A team of Norwegian and Swedish researchers decided to see how nitrate-rich beet juice might affect acclimatization on a 39-day expedition to Kathmandu and at 3700 metres in the Rolwaling Valley, Nepal.”

    Nitric Oxide Key
    “One aspect of successful acclimatization is that the blood vessels are able to deliver enough oxygen throughout the body. But normal blood vessel function depends on the body’s ability to naturally produce a compound called nitric oxide (NO).

    In healthy people at sea level, production of adequate amounts of NO is not a problem, but with the reduced oxygen availability at high altitude it is a challenge, simply because natural NO production requires oxygen.

    But the body has a “back-up system” for NO production at altitude, and it is here that beet juice can help. The secret ingredient in beet juice is high levels of nitrate, which the body can then convert to NO.”
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151012083808.htm

  39. Mitch M.

    Jessie
    #3402907, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:01 pm
    I’d like to know more about the ACE2 entry by COVID because that has implications for vasodilation and potentially fluid release into the lungs.

    2005 study on SARS-CoV and the same
    ACE2 Receptor Expression and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection Depend on Differentiation of Human Airway Epithelia

    and later part of a larger study
    2013 Receptor recognition and cross-species infections of SARS coronavirus see Figure also 6/7

    and later articles published referencing this work.

    Thanks Jessie!

  40. Steve trickler

    Not a pleasant sight at all. Shit house, really.



  41. Most everyone has one and some are better than others, so try to ensure that your opinion is an informed one.

    and everybody thinks everybody else’s stinks

  42. Boambee John

    cohenite

    but that lot should be shot.

    That might sound a more sincerely non violent comment if you said that “that lot deserve to be shot”.

  43. Rex Mango

    Second time Clint missed the first shot at the rope & shooting from the hip he nails it with instinctive fire. Lets just hope Eli Wallach was wearing the brown Reg Grundies.

  44. Seven States Mencius

    Multinational Impact of the 1968 Hong Kong

    There is a theory going on that its when we change our electrical and electro-magnetic environment, thats when we leave ourselves open for a pandemic. So under this theory the “Spanish” (probably Kansas) Flu came hard on the heels of widespread electrification and radio. The 68 Flu was when all the satellite communication was coming online. This one we got now could, under this theory, be associated with 5G rollout.

  45. 8th Dan

    This Harwin chap appears to be quite, how shall I put it, versatile?

    Correct. He came out as gay in a speech to the NSW Legislative Council in 2014.

  46. unless we see excess deaths from all causes significantly above half of the numbers below we have a serious case of Government overreaction.

    tada.

    Eggsactly

  47. Rex Mango

    Ch9 has underbelly type show about Lawyer X, coming out on 20 April & they are advertising it big time. How long before the blockbuster series about George Pell?

  48. Tintarella di Luna

    So now…we have the corrupt venal CCP lackey Turdross blaming “waaaaaacism” and in particular blaming the “waaaaacism” of the Taiwanese. You couldn’t make this up.

    But Tedros did – what a tool!

  49. Eyrie

    Time to read Eric Frank Russell’s “Wasp”, again?

  50. JC

    Seven

    There’s also the interesting correlation the number of pool drownings and the number of films Nicholas Cage has appeared in. Here:

    Spurious correlations.

  51. Rex Mango

    Steve T, excellent video. They should jack those planes up & put them on blocks. The tyres will have massive flat spots on them and the wings have jacking points that could take the weight better.

  52. mh

    New York Post

    Joe Exotic could be a step closer to clawing out of his cage.

    President Trump on Wednesday said he’ll examine a request for a pardon from Joe “Exotic” Maldonado-Passage, the star of the hugely popular Netflix series “Tiger King.”

    “I’ll take a look,” Trump told a Post reporter when asked about the case and his son’s support for a pardon during a White House briefing.

    The president’s eldest son has joked about lobbying for his father to pardon Maldonado-Passage, a kooky former roadside zookeeper serving a 22-year prison sentence for orchestrating a murder-for-hire plot targeting animal-rights activist Carole Baskin...

  53. JC

    Seven

    There’s also this one. The amount of Mozzarella cheese consumed and the number of engineering doctorates awarded.

    See the previous link.

  54. Tintarella di Luna

    “Are – my – test – results – back?”

    Thanks Bruce — that cleared my lungs nicely

  55. jupes

    And, during all of this, the NSW Attorney General has backed Burns while this massive waste of time and money continues.

    I will now need to go back to the High Court. My legal team will be lodging the paperwork to start that process next week.

    I now also need to go back to NCAT and waste my time there, two years after the High Court ruled that NCAT had no power over Burns’ complaints.

    And I now need to continue defending myself in the NSW Local Court because that’s where Burns’ complaints now are thanks to a decision made in the Tribunal to send his complaints there after it had already dismissed Burns’ complaints as misconceived.

    And all of this is going on because a law was made over four years after Burns’ first complaint against me and after I’d already defeated him twice.

    There is a good argument that the NSW government is just as evil as Victoria’s.

    Except for one major difference:

    Firstly, Mark Latham has managed to obtain confirmation from the NSW Attorney General that he will not pay Burns’ High Court costs.

    Latho!

  56. Rex Mango

    Yeah, that Bernard Gaynor thing sounds awful & yes like Mad Max, when the gangs take over the highway thank God Latham is out there.

  57. Tintarella di Luna

    Yes Tinta…and John Ruddock has just confirmed it on Sky….Gladhag can’t sack Halfwit….it is Halfwit that pulls the strings…..it is Halfwit that does the sackings.

    What can be done? What a choice Jowly McKay or Gladys ‘infant-dismemberer’ BerryJellikin

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Celebrity spotting.
    Melbourne resident and sports commentator and total flog James Brayshaw has been spotted a loooong way from home.
    Quite close to his holiday house on the South West Coast.
    No L plates on his $300,000 car so no problems.

  59. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, this Easter long weekend will see Australia turn into North Korea as everyone rats out their neighbour.

  60. MatrixTransform

    his $300,000 car

    I wonder how much the lease payment are …

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Kevin Rudd clenching and unclenching his fists and rocking backwards and forwards in his New York apartment …

    Wuh, wuh, wuh one hundred and thirty buh, buh, buh billion dollars.
    That shoulda been mee-hee-hee-hee.

  62. RobK

    Cohenite,
    Have I missed anything?
    A new study says there is a direct correlation between mandatory anti-tuberculosis vaccine campaigns and the COVID-19 fatality rate.

    People in countries that have mandatory BCG vaccination are less likely to contract the new coronavirus infection and less likely to die of COVID-19 complications.
    The 100-year-old vaccine is already in testing in Australia, as researchers believe the vaccine could give the immune system a boost against other pathogens, novel coronavirus included.

    We live in hope.

  63. Rex Mango

    Gotta hand it Sergio Leone, he got the historical stuff right in this film. Great procession of Confederate troops through this town. He also cuts back & forth to Clint cleaning his pistol as the sound of troops, horses in background. Then it all stops. Clint will kill these guys.

  64. From The Daily Mail. Didn’t VIC have their own Royal Commission ? Strange that when Andrews should have other things to do he is asking PM to release info. VICPOL will be desperate to spread more dirt.

    How is Ashton still in the job ? No need to answer as he is the perfect Commissioner for a leader like Andrews. As in totally compromised.

    “Secret sections of a landmark report into child sex abuse may soon be made public, revealing details about the conduct of Cardinal George Pell.

    During the Royal Commission set up to investigate historic child sex abuse, parts of the report containing information about Cardinal Pell’s handling of allegations were unpublished.

    This is due to fears it could prejudice his trial, but proceedings are no longer active after his conviction was quashed on Tuesday.

    Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has now personally asked Prime Minister Scott Morrison to release the secret sections of the report”.

  65. Rex Mango

    RobK, yeah heard that story about TB vaccine.

  66. Seven States Mencius

    Some people think that stopping the Nick Cage films might be its own reward.

  67. Steve trickler

    Rex Mango
    #3402939, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:22 pm
    Steve T, excellent video. They should jack those planes up & put them on blocks. The tyres will have massive flat spots on them and the wings have jacking points that could take the weight better.

    Been thinking about stuff like that. With flight hours cancelled, what is the maintenance requirements going to be starting them all up, one by one? Mega buck$ will be needed.

    I think smarter minds will agree.

  68. Rex Mango

    How much chance 7 High Court judges have absolutely no idea about redacted elements of a Royal Commission, before they pass judgment. It is zero. Judges only hang with other judges and they are mad gossips who leak like sieves. Pell has nothing to worry about from the redacted stuff.

  69. Ed Case

    There was a NSW doctor by the name of Archivides “Archie” Kalokerinos who believed in the power of Vitamin C

    I remember the name. He got quite a bit of positive coverage on the ABC many years ago, though it was a different ABC to the present Government puppet show.
    Found some articles of his re Vitamin C, along with some other stuff. Here’s the story of his brush with Tetanus and fear of Ventilation. http://www.whale.to/v/tetanus2.html

  70. Rex Mango

    Steve T, all I know is aircraft & machines in general like to be used. Airliners that fly every day have fewer maintenance problems than those that get used occasionally, despite the higher maintenance costs for consumables etc.

  71. Rex Mango

    Getting triggered right now by prominent display of Confederate flag in this film, framed by an arch.

  72. JC

    Muhammad. He was the doorman at the building we first lived in when we moved to NYC. I never knew him well except that I always recall how pleasant and chirpy he was in the mornings. He’d tell me to wait in the lobby while he went out in the cold and hail down a cab.

    After we moved out our friends moved into the same building and we saw M when we’d go around there for dinner always asking how we were and always remembering the name of our older kid.

    Since we moved back, we’d used to stay with our friends when we went there and there was M, helping with suitcases when arriving or leaving and hailing cabs or opening the cab door.

    I got to know him a little more over the past few years and I saw him mature into an older man. Wifey asked him why he was still working and he told her that he was helping out putting two of his grandchildren through college.
    M died of corona virus this week.

  73. Seven States Mencius

    There’s also this one. The amount of Mozzarella cheese consumed and the number of engineering doctorates awarded.

    I’m too busy with other dietary requirements to assist in cranking up the doctorate mill by this worthy methodology.

    With the electro-magnetic pollution there is also causal proposals involved. As it turns out its almost impossible to tell the difference between an exosome and a virus. Unfamiliar electrical and electro-magnetic pollution is one of those things that forces our cells to start booting out all these exosomes.

    Exosomes from the animal kingdom may be what viruses ARE. Viruses may start out as exosomes. This is neither proven nor disproven at this stage. But that these two often cannot be distinguished one to the other would seem to make this thesis a pretty good one.

  74. Naomi Campbell reveals she made a young Prince William blush after her ‘humble, down-to-earth’ friend Princess Diana let her surprise him after school at Kensington Palace with Claudia Schiffer”. Via Daily Mail.

    Yeah, happens to all high school boys.
    Come home to find Naomi Campbell & Claudie Schiffer waiting to show you the ropes.
    (According to the Daily Mail Christy Turlington was there too & Cindy Crawford was waiting one afternoon when he was 16)

    Who hasn’t had this happen to them randomly after school?

  75. Rex Mango

    Another crack at the Enrico Moricone theme music ‘8th Dan 8th Dan 8th Dan, wuh wuh wuh wuh, where is Numbers, where is Numbers, where is Numbers, Oh I don’t know’

  76. Leigh Lowe

    Rex Mango

    #3402932, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    Ch9 has underbelly type show about Lawyer X, coming out on 20 April & they are advertising it big time. How long before the blockbuster series about George Pell?

    Rex, let me tell you how that will go.
    The template will be the lefty play from ten years ago where a thinly disguised Peter Costello character murders an asylum seeker.
    It will go like this …
    The central character is introduced as a young George Bell who is a pious Ballarat kid who beats other kids up for their pocket money, strangles female kittens and rogers male kittens.
    Fast forward to Bell becoming bishop of Melbourne and graphic scenes of him rogering choir boys at will.
    Years later, when one of the victims threatens to speak out, a mysterious cloaked albino church operative (h/t Dan Brown) serves him up a heroin hot-shot in a grungy Brunswick laneway.
    An improbably slim Lois Lane type from the ABC fearlessly and cleverly teases out another survivor who reluctantly but courageously gives evidence to honour his slain mate (cue Peter Weir “Gallipolli” theme).
    But their hopes are all dashed when more cloaked albino Vatican agents surface and kidnap family members of High Court judges and engineer an acquittal.

  77. Rex Mango

    JC, that is a sad story.

  78. Nick

    GP will be interviewed by Bolta next Tuesday

  79. rickw

    The difference between engineering modelling and climate modelling and pandemic modelling?

    If your engineering modelling is BS then it will be found out:

  80. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Black Ball at 9:03 pm:

    “And in Premier League news:

    ‘Premier League chief executive Richard Masters wrote to the head of the parliamentary sports committee Julian Knight, to defend the decision by some clubs in the world’s richest soccer competition to have the government pay the wages of furloughed non-playing staff.’

    Knight apparently is a conservative MP and promptly told Masters lolgf.

    That is of cold comfort to lower league clubs like Sunderland and Crewe, whose players are now on the government job retention scheme.”

    Soccer, like League, Union and the AFL, can pay its own way for everyone involved. The taxpayer has spent enough on irrelevancies such as the cruise carcass barge convoys with their chancers who threw the dice and lost, and on their rent seeking urger families who blame everyone other than their dopey dead parents.

  81. miltonf

    What can be done? What a choice Jowly McKay or Gladys ‘infant-dismemberer’ BerryJellikin

    Yes, just because one side is bad doesn’t mean the other side is good. What a bunch of petty tyrants our pollimuppets are turning out to be too.

  82. DrBeauGan

    Really ??? French whites are excellent, but I find their reds thin and insipid.

    The words you want aren’t thin and insipid, you mean subtle and delicate.

    It’s a matter of the order in which you meet them, I think. I started on French clarets, bordeaux reds, when I was young and innocent, so I see Australian reds as big, beefy and crude. You, I would conjecture, met them the other way around.

    But I’ve tried French Champagnes at $100 a bottle which ought to be poured back in the horse. Not as good as Jacobs Creek $10 a bottle.

    But de gustibus non disputandam. The only thing to do is try everything until you find something you like. If nobody else likes it, it may be really cheap! 😃😊😜

  83. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, yes you are correct. The peanut gallery baying for blood. Had email exchange today with a lawyer who was adamant Pell was guilty, but got off on a technicality. Waste of time arguing. The true story of a multi decade witch hunt funded by the taxpayer would make the Moonlight State seem tame. Might have to wait twenty odd years for someone to write a book like Power Without Glory.

  84. lotocoti

    The Twelfth Man on SBS is pretty good.
    It’s about plod hunting down a quarantine runner.
    More or less.

  85. MatrixTransform

    electro-magnetic pollution

    dude, the energies involved are infinitesimal.

    your mobile phone is not causing the noise in yr head

  86. hzhousewife

    So sorry to hear that about your friend JC.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    In a haystack of gems this diamond from Stix at 1.55:

    ‘They want to go down in the history books as the first people in history to have prevented and completely eradicated a virus using early intervention public health policy.

    ‘They think they’ll be put alongside the people who discovered antibiotics and cured polio.

    ‘This is what’s driving enormous amounts of the public class at the moment: the desire to be remembered as WW2 style Leaders(tm).’

    This is perfect. Just perfect.

    An Open Letter to the Public Service:

    Dear Fuckwits,

    Lay off. You’re not fooling anyone with your pandemic porn, especially now.

    Contrary to what are obviously your very firm beliefs, none of you are Beaverbrook or Churchill or Thatcher or Lloyd George or Wellington or Elizabeth I or Richelieu or Henry V or Charlemagne.

    You will not get an even better sinecure by putting C19 on your CV, as everybody else is doing it as well.

    The public at large will cop being told to stay ion temporarily, but not your hypocritical ‘one for me, one for thee’ mantra.

    Regrettably,

    ‘Straya

    NB: Your book publishers called. Demand for your tour de force titled ‘One Horrible Year: How I Had to Buy My Own Chair to Work From Home’ has tailed off. They’re pulping the paper into hand towel.

  88. Knuckle Dragger

    *in temporarily*

    Boo.

  89. Mick from Gold Coast, thinking those players in the lower leagues are blokes like the footy here from yesteryear, working a job.

  90. cohenite

    The fucking abc’s report on Pell’s release from jail with fellow inmates cheering has as it’s last line:

    Cardinal Pell was the highest-ranking Catholic official to be convicted of child sex abuse.

    Total bastards.

  91. Nick

    The only thing to do is try everything until you find something you like. If nobody else likes it, it may be really cheap! 😃😊😜

    That we agree on.

  92. Seven States Mencius

    A new study says there is a direct correlation between mandatory anti-tuberculosis vaccine campaigns and the COVID-19 fatality rate.

    Unlikely to mean much. I’d want to read it all the way through. The link didn’t work on my computer. But such vaccination schemes were rich country undertakings. See JC’s link on spurious correlations. We don’t even have a gold standard test for Covid-19. So the headline of the study has got to be considered a bit of a stretch from the get go.

    How they going to statistically remove wealth effects when there is no testing of the test against a gold standard? Very dubious. I mean I think a better match can be made with on-board cruise ship 5G. The 5G in Bondi, the rollout of 5G in Wuhan and 5G testing in New York. But I’m not pretending that this will be an easy match to make, since the underlying test data is so problematic.

    One has to understand, that when any kind of a pretence of a case can be made, to support this primitive dirty technology, they are going to make all these outrageous claims. They have so much money and so many schemes and plots imbedded in this horrific filthy practice. Poisoning the children.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    During the Royal Commission set up to investigate historic child sex abuse, parts of the report containing information about Cardinal Pell’s handling of allegations were unpublished.

    This is due to fears it could prejudice his trial, but proceedings are no longer active after his conviction was quashed on Tuesday.

    Let’s be clear.
    None of the Q&A and evidence is hidden from view.
    It was all on the public record.
    All that is redacted is the “findings” of the Commissioner around Mulkearns shuffling of peter-files, notably Ridsdale.
    And, as nothing-burgers go, this one is full of tonnes of nothing.
    There are no possible criminal charges arising out of any of that.
    It is a bit of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the Seven – Nil High Court trainwreck.

  94. Rex Mango

    Dr BG, buy your wine by the box and you will save a bucket. Am always a fan of Stanley Leasingham, but De Bortoli do some nice vintages too.

  95. Lotocoti disappointed to learn it wasn’t Billy Birmingham

  96. Rex Mango

    Besides the famous main theme, am assuming Morricone did the incidental music in Good the Bad, Ugly too. It is brilliant as well. Think he did the Mission also.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    And in a very close second, Lode from 3.43:

    ‘It should point out that there has historically been a bond of goodwill by the public toward the police. It starts perhaps when children are told the police will always come to their aid and protect them from bad people. It lingers long into adulthood and there is a respect given to the uniform.

    ‘It can be strained and stretched at the best of times, but the public’s cooperation with the police lets them see, hear, and reach further than they ever could otherwise.

    ‘It is an asset that is written up in no balance sheet, a currency accepted everywhere, and with value beyond calculation. It exists between officers and the public. The pact is between the officers and the public. No politician by any action, by any legislation, program, speech, or force replace it once lost.’

    Sadly, yes. Police forces have since the time of Peel operated with the tacit consent of the public. I may have mentioned this before. Joe Public will cop a teensy bit here and there as long as he’s aware that the overall aim is to put shitxunts away where they can’t damage normal people.

    If they continually target Joe Public out of bloody-mindedness and ‘following orders’ whilst at the same time leaving crooks, or certain sections of the community alone, then that tacit consent goes away.

    Then you don’t have a police force any more. You have something else.

  98. Mitch M.

    Oil! Bad mistake going after Moscow, wrong direction.

  99. dover_beach

    Still have to pinch myself that Cardinal Pell is free. I see Malcolm Knox has an article in the SMH today arguing that the jury in the second trial are victims because their decision was disregarded by the HC. Apparently, he thinks that a verdict that ought have given rise to a reasonable doubt, according to all seven HC justices, because the opportunity witnesses were not contradicted, doesn’t rise to the level of a catastrophic error. Could there be a more catastrophic error than a decision that fails to meet the burden of proof required?

    Articles such as this, like the Coversation’s recent article arguing that objectively failing to meet the burden of proof required involves a ‘legal technicality’ are nothing more than flak attempting to hide the full force of the HC’s unanimous decision.

  100. dover_beach

    It is a bit of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the Seven – Nil High Court trainwreck.

    The MSM is in overdrive in this regard.

  101. Rex Mango

    Geez 9Gem has Lawrence of Arabia on tomorrow night. Great first scene, but slept through the rest. David Attenborough’s more talented brother but pretty boring film. Also fails to mention how the Aussie’s captured Jerusalem, before Lawrence rode in to take the Turkish surrender.

  102. Nick

    I see Malcolm Knox has an article in the SMH today arguing that the jury in the second trial are victims because their decision was disregarded by the HC.

    Isn’t he their sportswriter ? Says it all really.

  103. cohenite

    Malcolm Roberts on the chunk virus, the good and bad of the government’s response. This guy is worth feeding:

  104. DrBeauGan

    Dr BG, buy your wine by the box and you will save a bucket. Am always a fan of Stanley Leasingham, but De Bortoli do some nice vintages too.

    I do, Rex, when I find something I really like. I also believe in trying new things in case I’ve been missing one of life’s pleasures.

  105. amortiser

    Bolt had Graham Morris and Graham Richardson on his show discussing the possibility that the current restrictions will be eased.

    Graham Morris says that he’s not an early pull out kind of guy. Phrasing?

  106. Knuckle Dragger

    There are waaaayhaay too many coppers roaming the streets in this day and age that done fuck all in terms of doing what the public wants and needs them to do – ie, keep them and their families safe.

    Most recall the olden days, or even not so very long ago where the jacks deserved the reputation they had, for their efficiency in dealing with the ne’-er-do-wells at least. Not only are those days gone, but the last few weeks in certain States has dynamited the sunken wreck.

    In my considered opinion, there are a sizable percentage who are trading off the deeds of generations past, and who could do worse than cop a decent smack in the mush to belt some goddamn common sense into them. Everyone’d be much better for it.

  107. Boambee John

    Rex

    Jerusalem or Damascus (captured by the 10th Light Horse)?

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Proofing is my friend.’

    Wait, what? Who said that?

    Hello?

  109. Rex Mango

    Dover, fact of the matter is 7 HC judges is almost a jury itself. The amount of resources thrown at the HC & everything else involved means they are far better informed than any jury. Comparing the two is ludicrous. Mind you the HC makes mistakes, when they are trying to fix historical wrongs, but not when it comes to basic criminal law.

  110. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Oil! Bad mistake going after Moscow, wrong direction.

    Interesting link, thank you. It’s usually overlooked that, if it wasn’t for French trucks, and over half a million horses, Operation Barbarossa would have been a non starter.

  111. Rex Mango

    Boambee, from memory the Light Horse captured Jerusalem & some colonel had the sense to get the Mayor to acknowledge as much, before Lawrence rolled in a few hours later.

  112. Pedro the Loafer

    Two more “health workers” found with the chunk virus in Halls Creek in the Kimberley.

    Gratuitous health advice; if you see any “health worker” of whatever breed coming anywhere near you, run for your life.

    Literally.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Rex Mango

    #3402965, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    How much chance 7 High Court judges have absolutely no idea about redacted elements of a Royal Commission, before they pass judgment. It is zero.

    This is, in fact, irrelevant. The RC stuff relates to shuffling pettos around … which was done by Mulkearns and whilst appalling was not a criminal offence.
    In any case, it doesn’t matter if the RC finds that Pell abducted the Beaumont children, doped Big Philou and carried out the Great Bookie Robbery.
    None of that has any relevance to the failed St Pat’s allegations so wouldn’t have any bearing on HC deliberations either way.

    Pell has nothing to worry about from the redacted stuff.

    Exactly.
    A distraction from the trainwreck this week.
    And cause for a lot of bluff and bluster when it is “released”.
    But there is ZERO chance of criminal charges arising. If there was we would have seen it by now.

  114. Rex Mango

    KD, a woman who worked for some government organisation (do gooder type outfit) told me a couple of years ago that NSW has more police per head of population than almost any place on earth, Never bothered to check out if true, but she was adamant. Think there are around 16,000 cops in NSW.

  115. mh

    Not a headline grabber, but of interest

    Sweden – 106 new COVID-19 deaths.

  116. Leigh Lowe

    Graham Morris says that he’s not an early pull out kind of guy. Phrasing?

    Yes, indeed.
    Mrs L almost choked on her pork sausage when he said that.
    Oops.
    I’ve done the same thing.

  117. Done Deal

    well i’ll be buggered, Bazza Cassidy raising Scott Morrison being on holidays during the bush fires and trying to prompt a negative comment from the interviewee volunteer fire truck captain in the first of his new shows, who’d have thought… take #2

  118. Tel

    What a loathsome bunch the libs are in this state.

    Yes the time has come to destroy the Liberal Party.

    I prefer an enemy who will stare me down face to face and fight it out, better than the cold steel in my back from a surprise attack.

  119. Nick

    And cause for a lot of bluff and bluster when it is “released”.

    Fanned by the ABC, who will suddenly have a Pell story.

  120. Ed Case

    The amount of resources thrown at the HC & everything else involved means they are far better informed than any jury. Comparing the two is ludicrous.

    Horseshit.
    The HC wasn’t at the Trial so how could they be informed?
    The High Court ruled against the Court Of Appeal, possibly indirectly against the Judge hearing the Case.
    Are you saying the Jury was tainted?

  121. Rex Mango

    Pedro, soon a health worker in the Kimberley will be more dangerous than a star picket.

  122. 8th Dan

    Excellent article by Malcolm Knox.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex,

    Thanks to Googlewiki there were 16.5K wallopers in the Rum Corps at the end of the 2017 FY.

    Better add another couple of thousand in to be sure.

  124. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, what did Malcolm say?

  125. Howard Hill

    5G is great.
    My new NBN Modem has 5G. Just put your roast beside it in the morning and it’s ready by dinner time.
    I’m thinking of putting a metal plate over it so I can keep the coffee pot warm all day without needing to use electrickery. It’s like your very own Tesla coil full of free energy.

  126. Peter the old fossil

    Yes the time has come to destroy the Liberal Party.

    Forget parties. Next fed election put the sitting member last – regardless of party.

  127. dover_beach

    Dover Beach
    @theordealofcons
    The conviction was ‘quashed’. The last line in this article is certainly defamatory. ‘Wrongly convicted’ would have been correct. You might want to amend it quickly. https://abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/george-pell-fellow-inmates-cheered-when-acquittal-announced/12136116 via
    @ABCNews @kit_ferguson_

    Let’s see if this moves them at all. Probably not.

  128. mh

    Graham Morris says that he’s not an early pull out kind of guy. Phrasing?

    Ah, that mythical creature raises its ugly purple head. The early pull out guy.

  129. Mitch M.

    cohenite
    #3403012, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:14 pm
    Malcolm Roberts on the chunk virus, the good and bad of the government’s response. This guy is worth feeding:

    I’d like to think the other pollies will take stock of his argument about the perils of inter-dependency but they are too entrenched in their economic views. Roberts is the first Australian pollie I have heard come out and openly criticize the Chinese government. I hope there have been others.

    Thanks for the link.

  130. JC

    Older Italian dude , can’t stand it anymore and is going out for coffee. Wife screams at him saying he can’t go out and everything is closed anyway.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GrowingUpItalia/status/1241354307259305985

  131. Rex Mango

    Dover, Frank Elly was on the air this morning on ABC RN. It was victim this, victim that. She had a law professor from Uni SA & some bloke who was head of a bar association. She asked them how could the High Court come to such a verdict, when the victim’s (not sure if she used the word victim, probably) evidence was so compelling? No-one dared say, well perhaps he was making stuff up. Instead they waffled about victims etc & just said nothing of consequence. Average punter would walk away thinking Pell was guilty after all.

  132. Bar Beach Swimmer

    What can be done? What a choice Jowly McKay or Gladys ‘infant-dismemberer’ BerryJellikin

    But we have optional preferential voting in NSW.

    Cohenite, got an answer; concessions were made.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Jerusalem or Damascus (captured by the 10th Light Horse)?

    My understanding, and I’m happy to be corrected, is that Jerusalem was surrendered to a British patrol, doing some foraging, but it was certainly 10th Light Horse (Also known as “the Tin Ponies” – a unit still on the order of battle today-) who captured Damascus, and watched “Lawrence of Arabia” gain the credit for doing so.

  134. 8th Dan

    Are you saying the Jury was tainted?

    More likely the High Court was predisposed to quash the jury verdicts.
    All of them are religious … albeit not all Catholic.

    And they chose not to view the video evidence.

  135. Knuckle Dragger, I am not that old but I recall the days when policemen were well known to the community that they were posted to, is, they became members of the local footy club or played golf. Become members of Lions etc. And if you got on the sauce and did something stupid you got a stern warning not to do it again. At least until the next weekend. Those days have been usurped by female gnomes all too willing to chuck you in the clink because of their lust for dominance after being shunned all through school. Probably like Christine Nixon.

  136. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, Virginia Bell, yes indeed, celebrity lezzo who marches at mardi gras is very devout.

  137. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, if you are so dumb to believe video evidence (besides CCTV) is of any use whatsoever, you would believe those letters to the editor in Penthouse were real.

  138. Mitch M.

    Sometimes I wonder why I survived ….

  139. mh

    DOUBLE TRAGEDY Grieving daughter, 32, dies of heart attack during coronavirus mum’s funeral

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11352240/daughter-dies-during-coronavirus-mum-funeral/

  140. DrBeauGan

    Let’s see if this moves them at all. Probably not.

    Dover, you’re dealing with people who regard the law as a machine to be corrupted and used against their enemies. At root, they are rather nasty, spiteful children. Concepts like justice and truth are no more intelligible to them than they are to a walrus.

  141. MatrixTransform

    And they chose not to view the video evidence.

    the high court.
    7-0
    retard

  142. Robber Baron

    Grieving daughter, 32, dies of heart attack during coronavirus mum’s funeral and government records her death as Coronavirus related.

  143. Knuckle Dragger

    I see Danielle’s recovered enough confidence (or forgotten about the last time) to opine on matters legal again.

    This should be good. Last time she was a bit squealy before the verdict, and after said verdict wanted an appeal. No such luck this time.

  144. Bar Beach Swimmer

    There are waaaayhaay too many coppers roaming the streets in this day and age that done fuck all in terms of doing what the public wants and needs them to do – ie, keep them and their families safe

    KD, at the beach today, a number of cars parked with the driver inside, doing normal stuff: reading a book, having a coffee, presumably watching the waves, listening to the radio. A general duties duo went ‘round to all of them & got them to move on. I was thinking that some of these people may live in units with no balconies or yards. It was just shit to see.

  145. Rex Mango

    Mitch M, good video, which bike were you on?

  146. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘video evidence’

    A dastardly re-enactment with plenty of moustache twirling, presumably.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    BBS,

    Have a closer look next time you see that nonsense, and I’ll guarantee they’re either dwarfy fat chicks or gormless young blokes who’ve never seen an angry man.

  148. Leigh Lowe

    dover at 10:09

    Articles such as this, like the Coversation’s recent article arguing that objectively failing to meet the burden of proof required involves a ‘legal technicality’ are nothing more than flak attempting to hide the full force of the HC’s unanimous decision.

    I wonder.
    Is this a deliberate smokescreen?
    Or is it incompetence, intellectual sloppiness and a simple lack of reading comprehension?
    Or a bit of both?
    There is no obscure legal technicality. The fundamental principle at the core of the High Court judgement is the presumption of innocence.
    That the defendant shall be presumed to be innocent unless the prosecution counsel can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty.
    That has been the central tenet of the criminal justice system for centuries.
    Sure, there has been some finer detail supporting that basic principle but it can in no way be described as a “legal technicality”.
    Seriously, I doubt that more than one in ten of those screaming about this have actually read the judgement.

  149. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, question for you. If you were studying Shakespeare, would you read the plays, or watch performances?

  150. Mitch M.

    Rex Mango
    #3403063, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:49 pm
    Mitch M, good video, which bike were you on?

    Not me. Way too old for that but it did remind me of the occasional craziness I engaged in. The two bikes are currently on my preferred buy list: sv650 and cb650F. The CB is a Honda, typical high reving inline 4 with Honda’s quality written all over it. I’m more inclined to the sv650 with the low end grunt discouraging red lining all the way to the shop but I’d have to do something about the soft front end, the forks need stronger springs and better damping.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And if you got on the sauce and did something stupid you got a stern warning not to do it again.

    I’m remembering a Wheatbelt town, in the mid 1970’s. The cop there was a large man, six feet four tall. He was a veteran of the British Army – if you got on the loony juice, in the local pub, and started “shouting the odds” you would have your ear sized in a vicelike grip, while a voice rumbled in your ear “Make that your last one, then you’re going home. Otherwise’ I’ll lock you up.”

  152. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, touching but scary to think that gullible fools like you are out there thinking that judges with thirty years or more experience, will when reading transcript, miss the crucial point that might be conveyed by some theatrical flourish, or head toss via a Laurence Olivier type performance on video.

  153. JC

    You want a conspiracy. Think about this one.

    I don’t believe for a second China deliberately spread the virus out of malicious intentions. Is there a possibility it was accidentally spread from one of the labs? Sure.

    China knows Trump doesn’t like the PRC. Out of the two candidates, China’s obvious preference is Biden or any demonrat if it’s not him.

    Orange Hitler is itching to send people back to work and begins opening up the economy

    Would the PRC send in second wave of the virus in order to make Trump look bad going into the election?

  154. MatrixTransform

    if only the HC had seen the HBO version … things would be different

  155. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex,

    You’re talking to a ladeeee who still can’t work out why the prior criminal history of a punter accused of moida wasn’t read out at his trial.

    It’s like reading classical Spanish to an axolotl and expecting it to be sung back at you.

  156. Rex Mango

    Brilliant bit of film making right there as Eli Wallach throws the fat bully corporal out of train, kills him but can’t remove the handcuff chain connecting the two. Tries number of techniques with rocks etc, no luck. All is lost, then jump cut & he has the dead guy on train tracks with chain over the rail.

  157. BrettW

    Don’t confuse refugee/ SJW lawyers with criminal lawyers.

    Rex Mango
    #3402986, posted on April 9, 2020 at 9:57 pm
    Leigh L, yes you are correct. The peanut gallery baying for blood. Had email exchange today with a lawyer who was adamant Pell was guilty, but got off on a technicality. Waste of time arguing.

  158. Rex Mango

    8 the Dandruff, I hear the reason the High Court didn’t play the video is they don’t have a Blu Ray player.

  159. Top Ender

    NSW has more police per head of population than almost any place on earth…Think there are around 16,000 cops in NSW.

    There are around 44 for around 3,000 people in Tennant Creek, NT.

    Apparently the heaviest police presence in Oz.

  160. egg_

    Two more “health workers” found with the chunk virus in Halls Creek in the Kimberley.

    Were they all on a cruise ship, or they are all carriers?

  161. egg_

    NSW has more police per head of population than almost any place on earth…Think there are around 16,000 cops in NSW.

    Why don’t they put the [email protected] to use home delivering coffee and donuts?

  162. Rex Mango

    TE, just checked the stats on Wikipedia & it seems Vatican City (Pell’s home town) is the most heavily policed place on earth. Lot of small islands also scored highly. Spain seemed to stand out too.

  163. C.L.

    Would the PRC send in second wave of the virus in order to make Trump look bad going into the election?

    They’re capable of anything.
    I can’t see the logic in the bio-weapon theory either. Makes no sense to unleash a disease that kills your own people and threatens even top party officials. Unless the latter have privileged access to a secret vaccine.

  164. Steve trickler

    In before the thread change.. Just having fun. 😉

    I wonder if this still works. Duel plays? Play both together at the same time with full volume.





  165. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3403064, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    ‘video evidence’

    A dastardly re-enactment with plenty of moustache twirling, presumably

    Ha, ha, Snidely Whiplash.
    I need to go back and re-read the HC judgement again and maybe ask some fair dinkum lawyers, but it seems to me that the Magnificent Seven might have given a bit of a side-swipe to the practice of adults giving evidence by video link.
    Two myths which have permeated the legal system as it relates to cases involving children:-
    1. “Children never lie about abuse”. Very young children do not lie if carefully interviewed. But it has been proven that kids can be manipulated into lying very easily.
    2. “Children need a non-threatening environment when giving evidence”. This has been extended to cover 35 year olds giving evidence about childhood fantasies to the County Court.

  166. EvilElvis

    After shutting up shop early on in the ‘crisis’ I’ve now today seen two other local businesses slash their opening hours. These aren’t fly by night operations, they are different from each other but are what would be considered in our region as iconic businesses. Twenty years plus for one of them, family owned and operated. They have operated twelve plus hour days, seven days a week for the duration. This weekend one shuts for the full four day weekend, the other has trimmed hours massively and won’t open the public holidays. Apart from Christmas day they never normally close.

  167. Rex Mango

    It is very relative though. Goulburn with the Police Academy & Supermax would have to have more per head of population than anywhere else in NSW.

  168. NoFixedAddress

    Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the claimant in the Pell matter your typical drug fucked manipulative arsehole who more than likely abandoned his mate having a reaction to an overdose of heroin?

    Or did I get that wrong?

  169. I can’t see the logic in the bio-weapon theory either. Makes no sense to unleash a disease that kills your own people and threatens even top party officials.

    How about it is a bio-weapon and oops.

  170. It wasn’t supposed to be released until it got to the US and they had sealed their borders.

  171. NoFixedAddress

    Would the PRC send in second wave of the virus in order to make Trump look bad going into the election?

    The Democrats are working that one.

  172. Tel

    Forget parties. Next fed election put the sitting member last – regardless of party.

    Bigger that, my sitting member is ALP but Liberal will still go last. They did the damage, they pay the price … this is personal now.

    Their back room wankers can count the swing, and it will be historic.

    Locking beaches is not what we are as a nation.

  173. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, can give evidence that a lot of video evidence (& right now, due corona virus pretty much the only evidence there is) is a crock. Basically everyone in the room with the judge gangs up against the person in the remote location, particularly when things go wrong and during adjournments. Natural human reaction that you relate to people in the flesh better than two dimensional talking heads. Nowadays to save cost the crims are video’d in from gaol & it is very unfair as they are not present in the room as all the lawyer’s, who know each other decide their fate. Interesting part is Pell’s second trial where a jury watched a video of a barrister bashing a witness for two days and obviously felt the movie make the barrister look the bad guy. Ie, they were both in remote locations.

  174. ryki

    there is significant sampling bias in that the tests are performed on people that already have symptoms

    That’s absolutely true but, so long as that sampling bias remains relatively constant over time it doesn’t change my analysis. What it does change of course is the case fatality rate. But given my analysis shows that the disease isn’t spreading, in a sense that’s academic.

  175. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Locking beaches is not what we are as a nation.’

    Preach it.

  176. Rex Mango

    NFA, from my reading, you got it correct.

  177. Top Ender

    Chinese Bat Flu in Indonesia – probably very bad

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    You can look at someone giving evidence on a screen.

    You can read someone doing it in person.

    Which is why this is a shit system in jury trials.

  179. Rex Mango

    Enrico Morricone must’ve got an Oscar for best musical score, this incidental stuff is beautiful.

  180. Tel

    I don’t believe for a second China deliberately spread the virus out of malicious intentions. Is there a possibility it was accidentally spread from one of the labs? Sure.

    They did hide it, and they roped the World Health Organization into helping, and they started howling about racist racist racist as a way to discourage travel bans.

    That’s close enough to malicious as far as I’m concerned.

  181. BrettW

    Rex,
    Your lady friend would be wrong.

    Hong Kong Police 31,000 (+ 5,000 civilians) for 7 million people (similar to NSW). Total land area only 400 square miles.

    NYPD has 38,000 plus a lot of support for 20 million but land area about 1/5 of NSW.

    NSW police whilst good numbers are spread out over a large area.

    Rex Mango
    #3403025, posted on April 9, 2020 at 10:22 pm
    KD, a woman who worked for some government organisation (do gooder type outfit) told me a couple of years ago that NSW has more police per head of population than almost any place on earth, Never bothered to check out if true, but she was adamant. Think there are around 16,000 cops in NSW.

  182. Rex Mango

    Yeah I think it should be a principle in criminal law & one perhaps that the HC could’ve spelled out on Tuesday, that a jury can’t send you to gaol on video evidence of a complainant. Maybe if embarrassing to be infront the accused, put them in a remote location, but the jury has to see the complainant in the flesh. Bit like saying you have to go to Broadway and watch the original production of Evita. You can’t just say you hired the video.

  183. JC

    That’s close enough to malicious as far as I’m concerned.

    I think it’s more like a version of depraved indifference.

    They don’t want Trump to 2024. Why not introduce a second wave in the US? I don’t know how you’d stop it.

    I hope the Americans are bugging the politburo.

  184. Rex Mango

    Ok, this bridge scene where they blow it up in the Good the Bad & the Ugly is one where Clint, having worked on spaghetti westerns before, told Eli Wallach & others to go up a hill & get as far away as possible. They brought the Spanish army in to to do the demolition & apparently Clint was proved correct. Also, don’t think they brought the bridge down with all the explosive used, or the cameras weren’t rolling & they had to do it a second time.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3403105, posted on April 9, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    You can look at someone giving evidence on a screen.

    You can read someone doing it in person.

    Which is why this is a shit system in jury trials.

    Exactly.
    That is what I think the HC was hinting at.
    That video evidence (and subsequent replays) can be seen as degrading the credibility of witnesses.
    The witness needs to front the court, get eyeballed by the judge and counsel and let the jury assess body language.
    I need to go back and re-read the HC judgement to make sure that is what they are saying.
    Questions.
    How many “helpers” did the complainant have at his offsite location, giving him nods, winks and holding up flash cards?
    How many times did the link go all fuzzy just after Richter bowled a googly?

  186. Rex Mango

    BrettW, I am all for law & order, but I also believe it to be true that the best way to make a good movie is to halve their budget. Keep cutting the number of cops & the ones left will be very good.

  187. Leigh Lowe

    Maybe if embarrassing to be infront the accused, put them in a remote location, but the jury has to see the complainant in the flesh. 

    Rex, if you are saying that the complainant fronts the court, but the accused goes off to a room with a video link, that solves the problem of the accused intimidating the complainant.
    But … no show… no go.

  188. Mitch M.

    Tel
    #3403109, posted on April 9, 2020 at 11:31 pm
    I don’t believe for a second China deliberately spread the virus out of malicious intentions. Is there a possibility it was accidentally spread from one of the labs? Sure.

    They did hide it, and they roped the World Health Organization into helping, and they started howling about racist racist racist as a way to discourage travel bans.

    That’s close enough to malicious as far as I’m concerned.

    Tough but fair. China must be put in the dock for this, preferably with the Pell jury.

  189. Where’s monty?

    Is it Muellerween yet?

    Can he respect the decisions of the High Court?

  190. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, it’s worse than that. First jury saw a real time video link to a witness & were bored out of their brains & also frustrated at all the technical glitches that stopped them from hearing the evidence. Second jury saw what? All the boring bits etc cut out, to produce a seamless cross examination, where not only was the witness a talking head, but the barrister was a voice without a head?

  191. NoFixedAddress

    Tel,

    I’d be voting for the craziest non ‘main stream’ candidate possible.

    I have a dream when all independents are in the majority

  192. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, is a question of habeas corpus, but yeah the jury should see the complainant in the flesh. If I were accused, would happily hand over the right to be present so the jury & barrister can do their job.

  193. Fisky

    Would the PRC send in second wave of the virus in order to make Trump look bad going into the election?

    No, they have already covered themselves in the public eye by successfully rebranding this as the “foreign virus”.

  194. Fisky

    PRC citizens totally buy the “foreign virus” origins theory now. It’s given them an excuse to reopen industries and if it goes balls-up, they will blame foreigners.

  195. Tel

    They don’t want Trump to 2024. Why not introduce a second wave in the US? I don’t know how you’d stop it.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-01-second-wave-coronavirus-lockdowns-china.html

    They got their own second wave to worry about … as usual the reports are surprisingly quiet about it.

  196. Rex Mango

    No-one does close ups like Sergio Leone.

  197. Rex Mango

    Clint just gave that young bloke a dignified death by sharing the last of his cigar with him.

  198. JC

    No, they have already covered themselves in the public eye by successfully rebranding this as the “foreign virus”.

    Be that as it may, but why not do a second wave to try and get rid of trump believing this would hurt his chances?

  199. Rex Mango

    Clint is now a one man gun crew manning an artillery piece, lobbing shells with precision right near Eli Wallach.

  200. Rex Mango

    If this cemetery is just a set for the film, it was a huge job building it and it looks pretty good too.

  201. Helen Davidson (nmrn)

    Makes no sense to unleash a disease that kills your own people and threatens even top party officials.

    I’m not sure about that.

    From Wikipedia:

    The reason China is doing this right now (abolishing the one child policy) is because they have too many men, too many old people, and too few young people. They have this huge crushing demographic crisis as a result of the one-child policy. And if people don’t start having more children, they’re going to have a vastly diminished workforce to support a huge aging population. China’s ratio is about five working adults to one retiree; the huge retiree community must be supported, and that will dampen future growth, according to Fong.

    Since the citizens of China are living longer and having fewer children, the growth of the population imbalance is expected to continue, as reported by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation which referred to a United Nations projections forecast that “China will lose 67 million working-age people by 2030, while simultaneously doubling the number of elderly. That could put immense pressure on the economy and government resources.”

    A virus that mainly kills off the old could solve their demographic problem.

  202. Rex Mango

    Geez, getting bombarded by Wuhan Flu adverts, but now the cancer crowd feel left out & are advertising as well. Trapped at home, nothing to do & having these stupid commercials rammed down my throat.

  203. Fisky

    Be that as it may, but why not do a second wave to try and get rid of trump believing this would hurt his chances?

    A second wave won’t hurt Trump politically, it will just make Americans madder at China, which helps Trump. And also it will tank China’s own recovery when the American customer shuts their wallet.

    There is a stronger motive to spread the virus to China’s neighbours to deter foreign companies from diverting their supply chains. Why shift if everyone else is equally infected?

    But this thing is uncontrollable and I doubt that will play out in any neat way for the PRC. They have a lot of their own companies in neighbouring countries too.

  204. Tel

    I’d be voting for the craziest non ‘main stream’ candidate possible.

    As first preference? Yes of course, I always do that, because the buggers get five bucks or something like that for every first preference vote and I ain’t giving that to either of the majors.

    Alas Screaming Lord Sutch … there will never be another like him.

    In a preferential system you should always first preference someone who is sure to lose. I’ve tried explaining the math behind that but I must have used long words or something. The important vote should go down the list a bit.

  205. Rex Mango

    Helen, am no conspiracy theorist (unlike say Numbers, or 8 the Dandruff), but it is very coincidental that it targets old folk & came out of Wuhan, where their big disease lab is.

  206. Arky

    If this cemetery is just a set for the film, …

    ..
    It was.

  207. BrettW

    Well done to Quadrant for three articles today about our ABC.

    Interesting one about the fish tank cleaner drinkers and the false blame attributed to Trump. Naturally this was a story our Trump deranged Vietnam vet seized upon with glee.

    Another goes into the ABC’s reaction to Pell result.

    Talking of the ABC how are their ratings for Q&A this year ? Many here used to participate in the Monday Q&A thread but that has faded away and hardly gets a mention in the open thread. I used to be quite interested in the show and who might be on. However over time it just became tedious as you knew the audience would not only be antagonistic to any politicians of the right but wildly enthusiastic for SJW type causes. Not watched Insiders either for a few years.

    With other news organisations cutting staff, local papers etc the LNP should make it plain there will be no increase in funding. Let them experience some lay offs like the real world.

    Talking of funding what work has Tony Jones been performing in last year to earn his salary as one of ABC’s top earners. Oops sorry, Paul Barry is the top earner based on screen time.

    Ita Buttrose has been a major disappointment and it is clear nothing will change.

  208. NoFixedAddress

    JC
    #3403134, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:00 am

    No, they have already covered themselves in the public eye by successfully rebranding this as the “foreign virus”.

    Be that as it may, but why not do a second wave to try and get rid of trump believing this would hurt his chances?

    JC

    The worst states at the moment are all Democrat controlled.

    As the lockdowns progressively come off you will start to see increasing numbers.

  209. Rex Mango

    How many blokes walked round with cigars in their mouth after this movie?

  210. Tel

    A virus that mainly kills off the old could solve their demographic problem.

    That would almost make sense except that they locked everyone in place for months and shut down most of their industry. Could they go to such great lengths only to save face?

  211. Rex Mango

    BrettW, you are correct, Q&A now boring, insiders too, but this climactic scene in The Good the Bad & the Ugly anything but. F-cking hell this music builds up.

  212. BrettW

    Rex,
    If you are doing requests for your movie commentary may I nominate Emanuelle ?

    Been quite a few years since I and a few friends snuck out of boarding school to watch it and I cant remember the intricacies of the storyline.

  213. Rex Mango

    From his experience in South West Texas during the Civil War, Clint moves on to get a gig in the San Fransisco Police Department.

  214. Seven States Mencius

    In terms of the 5G total energy thats not the issue. We are basically water molecules and electrical phenomena. Some people get thrown off so badly just by 4G, that when their phone rings they have to stick their hands on a tree. Anything that could disturb the structured water that we rely on could throw you out were you not adapted to it. As to the origins of the virus: Without a gold standard test anything is possible.

    Its not like the Chinese, Iranians and Russians are going to take a great deal of convincing. Not when they can look at American vaping, influenza and pneumonia data, and put two and two together. Xi is going to know whats going on. He could easily retaliate if he knows he’s been attacked.

  215. Rex Mango

    BrettW, sadly never seen Emanuelle, but do know Pirates aka the Greatest Porno Ever Made.

  216. Fisky

    Who knows what the CCP will do. They are not really behaving very rationally and the propaganda has had some big misfires. The Taiwanese are doing very well out of this. Probably the only real winner.

  217. Tel

    They’re capable of anything.

    Sounds like NSW Health Dept.

  218. Rex Mango

    Clint on a horse from 200m takes out a rope, to free Eli Wallach from his noose. Not a bad shot.

  219. BrettW

    Rex,
    In that case you might be a bit younger than me ! Was considered quite “strong” for mainstream cinema release in 70’s. Had quite a well known movie poster. Seems they got up to No 7 in the series.

  220. Seven States Mencius

    The CDC has a history of coverups with the occasional whistle blower. For example they covered up the effectiveness of laetrile. And they also had a vaccines and autism whistleblower. Can’t remember his name. Looks like pretty much the same thing going on with this one, but no whistleblower yet.

    Lets just say if you have a vaping habit I doubt that you need to be overly concerned.

  221. Rex Mango

    BrettW, do know the iconic poster of Clint, where the counter culture embraced him, despite the Man with No Name being an archetypal fascist bully boy:

    https://theposterdepot.com/products/zsgnclinteastwoodmin11251401

  222. Rex Mango

    Vet on the Hill right now has two vets operating on a Guinea Pig with a broken femur. Why aren’t these loons spending their time in the ICU unit of their nearest hospital helping corona virus people with ventilators?

    Heard tonight Venezuela only has 200 ventilators total. How many vets have ventilators?

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh L, it’s worse than that. First jury saw a real time video link to a witness & were bored out of their brains & also frustrated at all the technical glitches that stopped them from hearing the evidence. 

    Technical glitches my arse.
    That is exactly what I am saying.
    Every time Richter was about to spring the trap he got an attack of the vapours or the video plug got pulled until his “support personnel” coached him.
    Like all movies, it is what ends up on the cutting room floor that is most telling.

  224. Rex Mango

    Sorry to break this to you, but the break in the Guinea Pig (Orio I think it is called) is far worse than thought. It goes right up to the knee & everything the vet is trying not working. Bones are too small & thin etc. Unfortunately Orio’s leg is going to have to be amputated. Vet while in surgery phones the little girl who owns the Guinea Pig & her dad to tell them. Tragic stuff. Then the vet expresses his pain at having to deliver such sad news, explains how resilient Guinea Pigs are & reckons this not the end of his life, but start of a new one. Parting words to the Guinea Pig ‘Mummy will be by to pick you up soon.’ Great bedside manner.

  225. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403158, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:18 am

    Yeah.
    4G structured water.
    It’s obvious man.

  226. Rex Mango

    Leigh L, yes, juries hate adjournments etc. Second jury saw no such thing. Just a seamless Harry M Miller production. My key point is though that in first iteration Richter was in the room with the jury, in the second what did the jury see? The jury will automatically turn against someone who is in a remote location & particularly one who they can hear & not see. Sadly, very few in the legal profession have been to film school & understand this stuff.

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Ha, ha Rex.
    Imagine if half the people here were vets.
    Hi.
    Yes, it’s the vet calling.
    What’s that?
    Did we fix the broken leg?
    Well, not totally.
    Look, um … does mummy have any recipes for roasting small animals?
    The bad news is, the leg was so bad, someone will not be getting a drumstick.

  228. C.L.

    Who knows what the CCP will do. They are not really behaving very rationally …

    That, comparatively speaking, was the good thing about the Soviets.
    They were at least rational players. I’ve always considered the Missile Crisis ‘threat’ of nuclear war to be bullshit. The Sovs are crazy but not that sort of crazy. The ant cultures of Asia – when they go wrong – are a different kettle of two-headed Wuhan fish.

  229. Seven States Mencius

    Most people hadn’t heard about structured water until about 2018. These had been tabboo subjects in medicine. Of course without structured water blood circulation would be impossible. Since you have to move a sticky viscous substance (that is to say blood) three times around the world. Which is the length of capillaries (arteries, veins etc) laid end to end. So no surprising rather than obvious.

  230. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403177, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:47 am

    Most people hadn’t heard about structured water until about 2018. These had been tabboo subjects in medicine.

    Yep.
    I read an article about it in Lancet in about 2016.
    Ground breaking stuff.
    We need to make more people aware of it.
    I mean, it could be the defining element in this kroner-virus thing.

  231. Seven States Mencius

    You are bullshitting me. It wouldn’t have made it to the Lancet by 2016. Attempt to be serious.

  232. Steve trickler

    Someone has to be holding a gun to his head. Surely. Best to say little.



  233. Seven States Mencius

    Definite proof that someone wants us dead. We need to string that Cuomo up on a tree as a warning to all other conspirators.

  234. Rex Mango

    Orio the Guinea Pig got taken home by Johanna and looks to make a full recovery.

  235. jupes

    Malcolm Roberts on the chunk virus, the good and bad of the government’s response. This guy is worth feeding:

    That was gold. Thanks cohenite. Malcolm Roberts is the best politician in Australia.

    It is refreshing to hear a politician who actually cares about the the national interest.

  236. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403181, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:54 am

    You are bullshitting me. It wouldn’t have made it to the Lancet by 2016. Attempt to be serious

    I may have the dates wrong, but it was definitely prior to 2018.
    The authors were two chaps from Harvard and one from Bletchley Park as I recall.
    Fascinating stuff.

  237. Seven States Mencius

    No I reckon you are talking nonsense Leigh. Wouldn’t have made it as far as Lancet yet. I did a search. Got two hits only. One was a book review.

  238. Rex Mango

    Watched the Malcolm Roberts speech & he was very good. If Taiwan only has 5 deaths as of now, that is amazing.

  239. Steve trickler

    Seven States Mencius
    #3403183, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:58 am
    Definite proof that someone wants us dead. We need to string that Cuomo up on a tree as a warning to all other conspirators.

    I reckon he is scared.

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