Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

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  1. Steve trickler

    First time hearing the full length song. As per usual, commercial FM radio is still disgusting today. It has been that way for a decade…..yeah longer. Playing this in full length would “Prevent us from playing Brian Adams 7 days a week.”

    “No repeat work day!” You know who you are.

    Patronizing bastards. Am Radio too. You are useless bastards as well. 6PR Perth. You rate a mention. You are up there with today’s worst sources of news in OZ.

    ABC is a write off.



  2. egg_

    Hunt looked under considerable stress to get his finger out and lift sanctions at today’s Presser:

  3. egg_

    The paper published in the Lancet medical journal is based on modeling of the epidemic in China. It shows that the death rate in mainland China was far lower, at less than 1%, than in Hubei province where the epidemic began, which had a death rate of nearly 6%. It also varied according to the economic prosperity of each province, which was related to the healthcare available.

  4. Steve trickler

    Guess what folks folks. That clime rate is real.



    Brutal G’s. It would have been nice for the camera to keep rolling a littler bit longer.

  5. JC

    Yea true. Spare a thought for these dudes. They’re unsung heroes.

    Brooklyn, N.Y.

    ‘I’m a garbageman,” wrote a Californian who calls himself Jester D on March 14. “I can’t work from home and my job is an essential city service that must get done.” As Americans began to feel the effects of the Wuhan coronavirus, his series of tweets enthralled tens of thousands of people.

    Jester D described the onerous nature of his job in San Francisco, “from getting up pre-dawn to the physical toll it takes on my body.” Addressing the city’s growing panic, with scared people “peeking out their windows at me,” he emphasized professionalism. “Doctors and nurses are gonna keep doctoring and nurse-ering,” he said. His own promise: “Us garbagemen are gonna keep collecting the garbage.”

    Tweets of appreciation followed: “God bless you!” “Love ya!” “You are on my hero list!” People thanked him for his service in a tone that Americans usually reserve for soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines.

    This civic communion struck a chord with me. One of my rituals is to get up early on Wednesdays to watch from my window as workers from the New York City Department of Sanitation haul away the garbage on my street. There is robust beauty to the removal, and a catharsis. One moment the sidewalk teems with refuse; the next, it is reborn. Black bundles of household waste, stacks of cardboard and newspapers, transparent bags full of bottles and cans—all are heaved into the maws of a growling truck. Trash bags pop like balloons as they are mashed. Then, with a sweet hydraulic hiss, the truck moves on.

    This happened right on schedule last Wednesday, with New York locked down. Burly workers wearing big gloves and fluorescent vests dispatched our garbage with the usual nonchalance. This time no cars lined up behind, waiting for the garbage truck to inch forward. The street was empty but for the collection truck and a middle-aged man named Mike, who is hearing- and speech-impaired. He lives on our street, and the garbagemen have adopted him as one of their own. He wears a NYC Sanitation uniform and helps the men as they gather up the trash. They treat him as a fellow worker, and he earns his street cred in the company of these brusque but kindly men.

    Perhaps because I grew up in India, a land that falls some way short of the highest standards of public hygiene, I’m fascinated by the mechanics of American cleanliness: the garbage trucks, the snowplows in winter and the whirring broom-trucks that sweep the roadsides, their brushes kissing the edge where road and sidewalk meet (and, it is said, imperiling any small dogs who might be nearby).

    The sights and sounds of cleaning, the whooshes, the crunching, the suction, the sound of steel crushing glass—I love it all. To watch New York’s garbagemen swing into action, and to see them duly thanked at a time like this, fills my heart with hope. The refuse collectors of my Indian youth were pariahs at the bottom of the caste heap, treated badly by the people they served. New York’s garbagemen, by contrast, are rightful kings of the city streets.

    Mr. Varadarajan is executive editor at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.

  6. Steve trickler

    A picture paints a story to accompany the music.



  7. NoFixedAddress

    egg_
    #3403223, posted on April 10, 2020 at 2:06 am

    The paper published in the Lancet medical journal is based on modeling of the epidemic in China.

    I started to read that egg_ till I got to this section

    Funding
    Health and Medical Research Fund, Hong Kong, China.

    Yeah… Nah.. Lancet is in the toilet these days anyway.

    Tell us what they say, please, because I won’t read it.

  8. Fisky

    Taiwan is doing Trump a huge favour here, not just themselves.

    Filip Grzegorzewski Flag of European Union
    @grzegorzewskif
    Global solidarity at its best!Thank you #Taiwan for the swift delivery of medical masks for the #EU countries hit hardest by the #coronavirus, and for the announcement of the second donation to Northern, Central, and Eastern Europe. #StrongerTogether #COVID19 #EUinTaiwan #riscEU

  9. Steve trickler

    Talk about a leisurely walk during lock down. We know what their memory is like. He or She is soaking it up with a nice walk up the hill on asphalt.



  10. jupes

    Beaugy up thread was comparing French and Aussie wines. He reckoned he preferred Frog wines because he started with them.

    Me? I have been a beer drinker most of my life but have turned to wine once I began importing Italian and Israeli wines a few years ago. Once my business went bust, I started drinking Aussie wine and now I’m stuck in Frogland drinking the local drop (a burgundy as I type this).

    Which is best? If I judge the best wine (that I have drunk) from each country, it would be a tie. Each country produces suburb wine and to quote Jeff Fenech; I love youse all. However, on a value per dollar basis, Frogland would have to win -but only if you live here.

  11. JC

    Jupes

    How long are you going to be imprisoned in France? You’ve been there for a while now, no?

  12. jupes

    JC,

    Dunno. I’m contracted till mid May but who knows how long after that.

    I don’t mind if I have to hang here longer because I am earning money and there is plenty of quality wine to quaff.

  13. JC

    Oh Okay, I thought you were on hols there. Got you.

  14. jupes

    That being said, the Italians have a reputation for bureaucratic incompetence but I reckon the Frogs are not too far behind.

    I don’t have a lot of competence in their batflu figures or their ability to contain it.

  15. JC

    These are moves in bank stocks in a day. These are banks!

    BAC
    Bank of America Corporation +7.12%

    Citigroup Inc. +9.00%
    Morgan Stanley +5.23%

    JPMorgan Chase & Co. +9.98%

    Wells Fargo & Company +11.58%
    The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. +8.25

    The Fed announced some more shit today in the high risk debt markets.

  16. JC

    Do you like living there, Jupes?

  17. jupes

    I don’t mind spending a few months here. We live in a nice town, I have my darling wife with me so that’s good but I wouldn’t move here permanently. The Frogs are a bit weird.

  18. Tom

    Donald Trump lives rent-free in David Rowe’s head. Sad.

  19. Tom

    More TDS from Dave Brown (London Independent).

  20. Steve trickler

    Keep going Tom. Cheers.



  21. Steve trickler



    Sleep well all. I am trying.

  22. notafan

    Oh and Balto on one of Steve’s posts is the source of the coronavirus truther article

  23. Seven States Mencius

    Its an okay article but the title makes Bednarz out to be a mindless twit more generally.

  24. Steve trickler

    Nice work, Larry.



  25. ryki

    Talk about desperate NAF. Do you know what cherry picking means?

    It’s history’s greatest pandemic – apparently – but all we have are a few scattered cities (not even countries) with slightly higher than normal death rates. And plenty of places with lower than average death rates.

    You do understand that in any given year you will always get local regions with higher than normal (and lower than normal) death rates don’t you? But we don’t typically assume higher death rates in an Italian village coupled with higher death rates in NYC proves a vast worldwide pandemic.

    And what’s even worse though is that these higher than normal death rates only seem to coincide with lockdowns and massive medical responses.

    So your article is excellent evidence that the New York government and medical community are murdering their citizens but extremely poor evidence that they are victims of a virus.

    Like I said, the only way to determine if the disease is spreading is to look at the change in ratio of positive/negative results over time. This ratio in the US was actually decreasing *before* the lockdowns (but increased afterwards).

    But maybe you have something to contradict that NAF.

  26. Steve trickler

    ICE Cube. Take note. Happy to get into HIP HOP WARS on the CAT. Not my most favorite musical genre. There is some quality that exists. Not you though. You are pretty boring. And you just got your arse kicked.

    Well done, Larry.



  27. Struth

    Australia and Iran are “experiencing rapid virus spread” despite their warm temperatures.

    Really?
    We may or may not be seeing rapid virus spread, nobody knows.
    We are not seeing hospitalizations and deaths anywhere near the predictions of experts.
    Hence they are not experts.
    Either way, no one should allow government to take control and imprison their populations under force of arms for any reason ever.
    With Notafan, you get the perfect example of feminine thought process.
    And it’s disastrous for our freedom.
    Trying, and failing to find some reason to justify the behavior of government that she openly accepted when she should have revolted, based on fear, and worse still, based on virtue signalling, …..asking me how many old people would I see dead before I agreed with imprisonment of a nation, as she had.
    And make no mistake, she bombastically and arrogantly told me I was over reacting, and needed to calm down.
    She was just too cool for school, wasn’t she?
    As were many women, blind to what it really was that had afforded them such security and safety over the life of a nation they just helped to destroy with smug ignorance.

    Notafan quotes the opinion of a Lawyer as facts regarding coronavirus, who has thirteen followers on twitter and a left wing propaganda outlet that reports this at the top, as News.

    What are you going to do ladies ? You got us into this, and I’ll admit, along with beta males as well, however I want to know what you intend to do about it.
    You wanted to mouth off Australia wide, virtue signaling on facebook about your empathy and sacrifice for the prevention of death, tut- tutting the men who saw what you didn’t , putting yourself willingly under the jackboot while, forearm on forehead, with all the drama of a silent movie actress, virtue signal your readiness to sacrifice your nation for a virus…..so now what are you going to do about it?

    Well, I don’t mean now, because nationwide, you still haven’t stopped your disgusting fake virtue, as you confront the truth about the entity you chose to provide your protection instead of men, who you believed would empower you, which it did.
    Then, as government elevated you to above equal status, the diversity picks stumble as they do, when faced with actually doing the job of being senior members of community with an understanding od your civilisation and integrity and freedom in your hearts.
    You let your social standing amongst other women come first.
    So free us ladies, please.

  28. ryki

    I also note that Bednarz mysteriously forgot to mention the continuing downward revisions of Fauci. I wonder why? He also mysteriously forgot to talk about why the populations of Sweden, Brazil and Belarus haven’t been wiped out yet.

    According to government data, this has been a fairly normal flu season in Italy and Spain and a mild flu season in every other European country. But Bednarz claims they are experiencing massive excess deaths. That’s quite simply a lie.

  29. ryki

    Australia and Iran are “experiencing rapid virus spread” despite their warm temperatures.

    Why are you lying?

    I have already shown that there has been no spread of the disease in Australia. Well that’s not quite true. It appears as though there has been some spread since the government announced the lockdown but there certainly wasn’t any before.

  30. Struth

    Why are you lying?

    That was a news article in one of Notafan’s left wing links.

    Complete bullshit, but that’s Ok, Aussies mostly won’t read it.

    Hearts and minds……………………

  31. Seven States Mencius

    Australia and Iran are “experiencing rapid virus spread” despite their warm temperatures.

    The parts of Iran where is was rampant in February had the same cool temperatures as Wuhan and North Italy in the same month. So its a bit of a careless article really. Note where it really is warm; Western Australia. Not much action there yet.

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Structured water.
    Fascinating stuff.

  33. rickw

    Mosin Nagant quarantine madness:

  34. rickw

    With Notafan, you get the perfect example of feminine thought process.

    To get this mess fixed we’re going to have to undo the disaster of women’s right to vote.

    Political decisions must be logical ones, not ones based on feelings.

    Feelings Politics is why we’re in the midst of the most illogical clusterfuck mankind has ever inflicted on itself.

  35. Seven States Mencius

    Yeah structured water is fascinating stuff. But I still think you are having a lend of me. Without understanding the concept of structured water its impossible to explain blood circulation. And also any suggestion that 5G could be virus booster, at least until we have adapted to it, will seem deeply counter-intuitive. Ridiculous on its face. But its an important matter supposing that the idea is not to let this critter harm people.

    What can you tell us about structured water Laylo?

  36. Tintarella di Luna

    A virus that mainly kills off the old could solve their demographic problem.

    That would almost make sense except that they locked everyone in place for months and shut down most of their industry. Could they go to such great lengths only to save face?

    How is it that it’s only been Wuhan and the Hubei region that had the deaths yet Shanghai and Beijing with their teeming millions appear to have escaped unscathed — is that because the CCP soldered the citizens of Wuhan and Hubei into their homes

    Yet the CCP (and its lickspittle World Health Organisation) did not alert the world to this deadly contagion permitting hundreds of thousands of infected individuals to travel all over the world unaware that they were spreading global death and contagion shutting down the economic and the social life of the world

  37. Struth

    so now what are you going to do about it?

    You’re going to do nothing.
    No Plans?
    No responsibility taken, yet all elevations accepted.
    And right at this critical point in time, men need to learn what being too nice means.
    Until we take the white noise of femininity and place it into the background, with betas as well, there can be no fight and the nation is doomed.
    It sounds sexist because it is.
    There are physical and emotional differences between men and women, and that is just a fact.

    Men can very rarely cross over to a female perspective and should not be expected to, and we should not allow women to destroy the male perspective, which is what has been happening.
    Women playing men’s roles need to play men’s roles, not a feminized version of it.

    Maggie Thatcher is one of the few women who understood that male understanding of standing firm, being calm in the face of crisis, because somebody has to be,the overall considerations, etc, and had much more of a male perspective, black is black and white is white, than beta male Chairman Mo.

    The difference may be easily explained.
    What would have been Thatcher and most men’s reaction to the Virus, compared to Notafan and most women have been?

    If we had only a few statesmen, like Margaret Thatcher…………………..alas, a feminized, emasculated country will have none.

    Or quite simply, facts first, feelz last.

    We cannot fight this with the state of mind of the nation, torn as it is with a pop culture of virtue signalling morons and national hysterics brought on by emasculation.

    Oh, and MV, I never mentioned armed revolt, or anything like it.
    We have no guns.
    As I said, I’m not lifting a finger.
    I’m just about myself and my family now.
    Waiting for the ladies to step up this time.

  38. jupes

    What can you tell us about structured water Laylo?

    It’s an invention of a certain race of bankers who want to take over the world with it.

  39. Seven States Mencius

    No actually its really the way the body works Jupes. The prevailing model is that its all about chemical reactions. Stripping things down to basics we are really electrical-aetheric beings. And life is all about the manipulation of water, light, proton flows and this sort of thing. By molecule count we are way above 99% water.

  40. calli

    Jerusalem or Damascus (captured by the 10th Light Horse)?

    Damascus. The Beloved’s grandfather. The crowd threw down palm leaves on the ground as they rode in. A great moment in history. Grandfather said the people were in a fever of joy that it was the Australians that got there first and not the Arabs led by Lawrence.

    Grandfather finished his rare trip down memory lane with and Entish malediction – I had to shoot my horse. The Turks are an odious race. Rumble, rumble.

  41. rickw

    Mark Felton, Switzerland V USA in WWII:

  42. Struth

    I stated on facebook that Dan Andrews has sentenced thousands of old people to death by not letting the grey nomads head north to the heat, in their caravans, out of their cold Victorian winter homes to escape the flus and viruses that would kill them otherwise!
    No one was even game to share it, and only the boys from trucking that do facebook, liked it.

    An obvious fact I would have thought, and one the grey nomads should ponder.
    They are huge in number and a force to be reckoned with, and I wanted to get the message to them that it’s worse to sit in the cold, in homes you are imprisoned in, than get up north in the warm.
    The Premier is sentencing how many of you to death, besides being sentenced to imprisonment?

  43. Seven States Mencius

    I had to shoot my horse. The Turks are an odious race. Rumble, rumble.

    Ha ha ha ha ha. Thats beautiful.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    What can you tell us about structured water Laylo?

    Structured water aids blood circulation by creating molecular pathways for blood cells and lubricates the cell walls of red blood cells.
    The study of the influence of 5G on this process is in it’s early stages and the full effects are not well understood, but caution is advised.

  45. Sydney Boy

    Yet the CCP (and its lickspittle World Health Organisation) did not alert the world to this deadly contagion permitting hundreds of thousands of infected individuals to travel all over the world unaware that they were spreading global death and contagion shutting down the economic and the social life of the world

    unaware“, Tinta? Are you sure about that?

  46. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403359, posted on April 10, 2020 at 6:27 am

    No actually its really the way the body works Jupes. The prevailing model is that its all about chemical reactions. Stripping things down to basics we are really electrical-aetheric beings. And life is all about the manipulation of water, light, proton flows and this sort of thing.

    Obviously.
    It is tiresome that we have to keep going over this stuff because it is not taught in schools.

  47. Seven States Mencius

    You are pretty good at winging things aren’t you Laylo? One of these people that can get a B in a multi-choice test without doing any homework. Structured water sets up a kind of Maglev Track arrangement with blood flow.

  48. calli

    Jupes, I thought you were on holidays. Where are you based?

  49. rickw

    Interesting, for Calli:

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Structured water sets up a kind of Maglev Track arrangement with blood flow.

    Yes.
    Of course.
    That is what I meant by “creating molecular pathways” and “lubricating blood cell walls”.
    Sorry if I use slightly different terminology.

  51. Struth

    If I was fighting, I would suggest using the feminized fear in people’s hearts against the criminal governments as they are using it to gain total control.

    For those of you down south, quietly mention to your neighbours with caravans that usually head north, or on facebook , anyway you can, that being imprisoned in your cold weather homes over winter could be a true death sentence.

    Make them understand their imprisonment may be fatal.

  52. Seven States Mencius

    Ha ha ha ha. Yes very good Laylo.

  53. rickw

    There’s so much political wrangling around Hydroxychloroqine it’s almost as if there’s a fear that it might work:

  54. Leigh Lowe

    For those of you down south, quietly mention to your neighbours with caravans that usually head north, or on facebook , anyway you can, that being imprisoned in your cold weather homes over winter could be a true death sentence.

    Steady on with the hyper-bowl.
    It is not Siberia.
    Most places record a handful of days with a minimum of zero. We don’t exactly have coolrooms full of deceased codgers over winter.

  55. Leigh Lowe

    For those of you down south, quietly mention to your neighbours with caravans …

    I make a point of not living anywhere near people who might entertain the idea of having a caravan or motor-home.
    Horrid people.

  56. Sydney Boy

    Australia is going to have the lowest influenza season in decades.

    flutracking

  57. jupes

    By molecule count we are way above 99% water.

    What do you think we are, fucking jellyfish?

    You idiot.

  58. 1735099

    Not letting them go north to the heat in their caravans

    There’s a flip side to grey nomads getting sick, and it’s not always the cold weather down south.
    When I lived and worked in Mt Isa I got to know people in emergency services and RFDS.
    They used to start getting very busy between April and October.
    Time after time there’d be call outs to southern grey nomads who would have strokes or heart attacks due to the stress and excitement caused by their bucket list trips north.
    There were occasional elderly punters carking because their serious episodes occurred in these remote locations outside the golden hour.
    There are quite a few profitable businesses who retrieve their rigs and truck then back south when this happens.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    Caravanners are to the land what cruise ship passengers are to the sea.
    They are both a blight upon the face of the earth.
    I am sure IT would have them all executed.
    I am not so proactive, but if a few drop off this winter is that a bad thing?

  60. Leigh Lowe

    jupes

    #3403385, posted on April 10, 2020 at 6:50 am

    By molecule count we are way above 99% water.

    What do you think we are, fucking jellyfish?

    You idiot.

    Please Jupes.
    We are discussing science here.
    Show some respect.

  61. jupes

    Jupes, I thought you were on holidays. Where are you based?

    A small town on the coast Calli. It would be quite pleasant without the lockdown. Spring has arrived.

  62. Seven States Mencius

    Lets go over it again just for Jupes: By molecule count we are way above 99% water. Did you get it this time Jupes? By weight its nothing like that. By molecule count it is.

  63. Seven States Mencius

    I think that we will have to learn to disaggregate our response. Both geographically and demographically. Really its only a few old guys in a few locations that ought to be isolated and given extra services. Me for example. So I can live more like Homer Simpson in the old person’s home.

    Plus we can never get things right without a gold standard test and if lunatics like Fauci and Cuomo are denying treatments, or indeed even trials of treatments. Fauci and Cuomo ought to be in the stocks by now at the very least. Cuomo’s close-down of the Dr Oz trial cannot be explained without recourse to conspiracy.

  64. notafan

    I didn’t write the article.

    I just relinked it from another thread.

    Now was Australia’s decent into the pit caused by women (and ordinary men) getting the vote in the early part of the 20th century, or something else?

    Something that started to escalate after World War Two?

  65. Sydney Boy

    JB Hi-Fi workers want the store to close down.

    And why wouldn’t they? Thanks to the JobKeeper program they could sit at home and receive their wages without having to do all that work bullshit.

    Too much genie, too little bottle.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403390, posted on April 10, 2020 at 6:55 am

    Lets go over it again just for Jupes: By molecule count we are way above 99% water. Did you get it this time Jupes? By weight its nothing like that. By molecule count it is

    What is the percentage by weight?
    (Assume sea level figures).
    I thought it was something in the 70% – 80% range from memory.

  67. notafan

    Numbers being his revolting uncharitable self as usual.

    I assume you have evidence that the stress and excitement of being in Queensland was the cause of death.

  68. Seven States Mencius

    Actually might be a little lower by molecule count so Jupes had a point. Might be more like 97 or 98%. The brain is 99%. Have to get a better idea of it later.

  69. Struth

    You may be tongue in cheek, LL, but we note the totalitarian in Numbers, out and proud.
    Those old people should just stay at home and die, ………………
    Remember, don’t leave your home Sniffy.
    You are imprisoned, do not leave your home.

  70. calli

    Australia is going to have the lowest influenza season in decades.

    Would that be a product of increased awareness of hygiene and the lockdown in response to WuFlu?

  71. jupes

    The brain is 99%.

    Yours certainly is.

  72. Knuckle Dragger

    Just spent 45 minutes catching up overnight. Evidently the nightshift’s now a Saturday night on Rage.

    Anyway. Structured water.

    As a kid growing up in NW Vicco, I had heard tales of gigantic Murray Cod hiding in the depths of the big river near Robinvale and Mildura. Went there quite a few times on hols, footy trips etc. Every time I wet some lines, hoping for the Big One.

    Read books about it. Looked at the photos of people with the elusive beast – five feet long, yet heavier than you were. Great big gob on it.

    And no matter how much or what type of bait I used, or the ‘secret spots’ I pummelled out of the locals, I never ever (to date) caught that Murray Cod. So I salute the fisho from overnight who played that fish beautifully, kept it on the line for so long, and finally dragged it in, posing for a series of photos with one boot one the animal, a rod in one hand and stubby in the other.

    Well done, sir. Well played indeed.

  73. notafan

    Calli

    Not to mention many people getting the flu vaccination for the first time?

  74. Leigh Lowe

    Struth

    #3403402, posted on April 10, 2020 at 7:02 am

    You may be tongue in cheek, LL, but we note the totalitarian in Numbers, out and proud.
    Those old people should just stay at home and die, 

    My tongue could not be further from my cheek.
    Any plague which cleanses the earth of caravanning grey people is most welcome.

  75. Sydney Boy

    Australia is going to have the lowest influenza season in decades.

    Would that be a product of increased awareness of hygiene and the lockdown in response to WuFlu?

    Absolutely. And I think the proportion of Australians getting this year’s influenza vaccine will also be at an all time high.

  76. 1735099

    I assume you have evidence…..

    I have more evidence than the lunatic upthread who has forecast oldies dying in the southern winter.
    What he posted is not hyperbole, but bullshit.

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    Bletchley Park.

    Glorious.

  78. calli

    Someone a few days ago said that historical references to this year will have an * beside it. All the usual stats on communicable diseases, education results and so much more will have been skewed by the virus and response to it.

  79. Struth

    It doesn’t have to be Siberia LL, it’s a known fact.
    Down South you have a cold and flu season, where there isn’t one in Darwin, for a reason.
    Now you know you want to……………..You need to be the new pied piper, leading your grey nomads north in their thousands to escape certain death by flus and corona virus

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Seven States Mencius

    #3403401, posted on April 10, 2020 at 7:02 am

    Actually might be a little lower by molecule count so Jupes had a point. Might be more like 97 or 98%. The brain is 99%. Have to get a better idea of it later.

    The percentage drops with altitude, it is true.
    Something like 0.1% per thousand feet (it is not strictly linear but that is near enough for the purposes of this discussion).
    So 99% at sea level becomes more like 98% at Aspen or Matchu Pinchu.
    I am struggling to see how it could get to 97% anywhere but the Himalayas.
    Your thoughts SSM?

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    I have come to the conclusion, unfortunate or not that I cannot watch Tiger King.

    Too many people have seen it now. To use the netizen slang, it’s gone viral. From unintended contact to date, I have established a bloke sporting an admittedly excellent mullet, something about tigers and a jetski.

    That’s probably all I need to know.

  82. Leigh Lowe

    And no matter how much or what type of bait I used, or the ‘secret spots’ I pummelled out of the locals, I never ever (to date) caught that Murray Cod

    You do realise fishing for Murray Cod is banned due to Kung Flu, don’t you?
    Or … is it?
    (Strokes chin thoughtfully).
    If you cast in from the NSW side is that legal?
    Is the water less structured in billabongs on the northern banks?
    Interesting.
    Very interesting.

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    Some discussion overnight on aging inscrutable dry cleaners.

    Who was it again that came within a hair’s breadth of deliberately importing every bat muncher in Australia’s parents, aunties and uncles to feast on the largesse of our medical system?

  84. Leigh Lowe

    I have established a bloke sporting an admittedly excellent mullet, something about tigers and a jetski.

    Mrs L tells me the mulleted one is gay.
    Don’t pay to see the white tiger with one blue eye and one green eye.
    A gay with a mullet.
    The rarest beast you will ever see.

  85. notafan

    Doesn’t appear to be a ‘southern state’ specific issue.

    influenza statistics by state

  86. ryki

    Struth, there is a long term solution to all this.

    I’m no fan but a tweet by Joe Hildebrand had the beginnings of it. He said we should just lockdown anybody calling for a lockdown.

    Create a Bill of Rights – easy to do and probably much the same as for the US – and make any opposition to anything in it on a “you first” principle. If the Bill guarantees the right to bear arms then any celebrity railing against it has their security detail taken from them. If the Bill guarantees medical freedom then all people calling for forced medication have to undergo that treatment.

    For politicians acting unilaterally against any part of the Bill then it is a “you first times five” principle. So a politician considering locking us in our homes for a month can enjoy the same for five months.

    This destroys virtue signalling whilst still allowing consideration of the need to dampen rights in an *actual* emergency.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    There is of course the Frankfurt School of thought that claims mean altitude impacts the chemical structure of the fish, causing a domino effect breakdown and ultimately sparking a cerebral cytokine storm in the cod which consequently believes itself to be hungry.

    Advantage – fisherman.

  88. ryki

    Absolutely. And I think the proportion of Australians getting this year’s influenza vaccine will also be at an all time high.

    Yes what with the stellar track record of flu shots and everything.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3403429, posted on April 10, 2020 at 7:24 am

    LL,

    There is of course the Frankfurt School of thought that claims mean altitude impacts the chemical structure of the fish, causing a domino effect breakdown and ultimately sparking a cerebral cytokine storm in the cod which consequently believes itself to be hungry

    Well, der.
    Obviously, dude.
    Goes without saying.

  90. Twostix

    Re the anti-theory about china flu being man made not making sense because they released it on themselves.

    CCP members have spent ten years buying hundreds of thousands of houses in the west, particularly Canada, Aus, NZ, etc after our beijing loyalist governments all abolished residential housing foreign investment laws at the same time.

    It was always a given they were doing so so that the CCP elite would have somewhere to hide out if things went bad for them.

    Suddenly there are a lot of chinese young people around here, hanging out at the shops in big groups. No uni for 30km very strange.

    Were the sons and daughters of the Chinese elite shipped out into “their” housing across the world during this?

  91. egg_

    Australia is going to have the lowest influenza season in decades.

    Would that be a product of increased awareness of hygiene and the lockdown in response to WuFlu?

    Absolutely.

    Total pneumonia deaths?
    Including CV-19?

  92. Seven States Mencius

    I thought it was something in the 70% – 80% range from memory.

    I’ve been looking for molecular count and I can’t get it. Probably 97% not above 99% as I had asserted. Apologies Jupes. Its just that all the non water molecules are so big by comparison. In terms of weight what I’m stumbling upon is 45% if you were really dehydrated and near death, and 75% the other way. But much closer to the top range under normal conditions. Even the bones are 31% water by weight.

    Seems foolish to think of it as 97 by molecule count, but most of the other molecules are gigantic by comparison. Long chained proteins, long chained fats, big haemoglobin molecules. But so much of the action is with the water. We strip the hydrogens off the food and get all these proton pumps going on in the mitochondria, combine these protons with oxygen breathed in to create more low-deuterium water. Moving water around all over the place.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Apropos of monsters:

    The noos tells me this morning that the black-lipped pavlova monster has ‘slashed’ her own pay packet to a live-in-a-tent-in-San-Fran, poverty-inducing $285,000.

    The horror.

    Note to self: Must reconfigure the proposed Elvira wig-making factory.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    It does make you wonder though.
    In whose interest is to suppress the science on structured water?
    Follow the money.
    It leads to New York bankers with skull caps (if you lnow ehat I mean).

  95. Twostix

    Notafan.

    Are Honk Kong’s virus numbers correct?

    Just four people in total!

    Amazing.

  96. ryki

    And why wouldn’t they? Thanks to the JobKeeper program they could sit at home and receive their wages without having to do all that work bullshit.

    This is why I laugh at people who think public servants will come out of this unscathed.

    In fact, I actually think they will be the most screwed in the long term.

    We have never seen economic policy such as this. Most bad policy consists of the government trying to extract as much as possible and in the process (but unintentionally) providing a disincentive to work. But here we have government policy intentionally designed to stop people working and in the process (but unintentionally) ensuring the state will extract absolutely nothing. All at the same time as the government is spending like lunatics.

    In three months there will be literally nothing to pay public servants, police or soldiers with unless we reverse course very quickly. The market economy (albeit the black market in many cases) will continue.

  97. Leigh Lowe

    lnow ehat = know what.
    They are now controlling my phone keypad.

  98. mh

    Not much to this story, she just says “go back to China”, but is this the SkyNews presenter KD and ftb have been commenting on?

  99. Leigh Lowe

    No we are not.
    You’re imagining it.

  100. Seven States Mencius

    Notafan from your link. The very first sentence:

    According to the CDC…

    We can stop it right there. Science ends where the CDC begins and the article links to no actual evidence.

  101. Knuckle Dragger

    Hey!

    That is NOT my widdle muffin Gabriella Power, Sky News thing of beauty.

    And by ‘widdle muffin’ I mean insatiable porn beast.

  102. Twostix

    Not much to this story, she just says “go back to China”, but is this the SkyNews presenter KD and ftb have been commenting on?

    If premiers can tell australians to get out of their states and irder them to “go home”, it’s a fair given that we can tell Chinese interlopers to get out of our country.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Long chained proteins, long chained fats, big haemoglobin molecules. But so much of the action is with the water. We strip the hydrogens off the food and get all these proton pumps going on in the mitochondria, combine these protons with oxygen breathed in to create more low-deuterium water. Moving water around all over the place.

    Even while we sleep.
    Amazing stuff.
    But who is suppressing this knowledge from wider circulation (ha, ha … pun intended)?
    Who?
    And why?
    Follow the money, I say.
    The dirty, grubby NY banker money.

  104. Snoopy

    LOL

    The World Health Organisation is preparing to launch an appeal for more than $US1 billion [$1.5 billion] to fund operations against the coronavirus pandemic.

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus believes the pandemic is much more than a health crisis, requiring a whole-of government & society response.

    “For the past 100 days, our unwavering commitment has been to serve all people of the world with equity, objectivity and neutrality. That will continue to be our sole focus in the days, weeks and months ahead,” Dr Tedros said.

  105. notafan

    Graeme

    Whatever.

    We’re all gonna die.

  106. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Follow the money.’

    Cui bono? ‘Twas ever thus.

    The Black Nobility are tightening their (molecular) grip.

  107. egg_

    Debunking Coronavirus Trutherism

    What a shame Trump’s a Troofer

    Economist Lyman Stone observes that the CDC receives mortality data slowly, so it “takes about 8–16 weeks for nationwide data to become a reliable metric of total deaths.” Truthers either don’t know this, or choose not to tell their followers, and therefore share these erroneous charts:

    Thankfully, we have an Economic Scientist looking into the data.
    The same retards advocating “taxing carbon” to stop the sky from falling?

  108. notafan

    WHO need more money for travel.

    Now need to charter private jets because first class travel on commercial flights is problematic.

  109. Leigh Lowe

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus believes the pandemic is much more than a health crisis, requiring a whole-of government & society response.

    I might write to him about structured water.
    He sounds like the sort of guy who would be all over it.

  110. 132andBush

    I assume you have evidence that the stress and excitement of being in Queensland was the cause of death.

    Nota,
    Remember you’re talking to a bloke who’s bucket list trip was Cuba.

  111. Seven States Mencius

    In whose interest is to suppress the science on structured water?

    Interestingly enough it was suppressed for a very long time then taken up by a nice old gentleman from Brooklyn. So he was sort of allowed to pursue it somehow, while all others before him had their standing ruined if they tried it on. Cannot quite put my finger on it where this nice fellow’s invisible license comes from. No doubt Dr Gerald Pollack will get a well deserved nobel prize sooner or later. But its subtle how others can miss out on these prizes and rewards.

  112. Mater

    I’m no fan but a tweet by Joe Hildebrand had the beginnings of it. He said we should just lockdown anybody calling for a lockdown.

    I don’t know about forcibly doing it, but it raises an issue.

    I’m yet to understand the view point of those on this site who continue to call for us all to remain locked down (usually with snide remarks). There seems to be nothing stopping them from wrapping themselves up in gladwrap (like a scene from Bad Boy Bubby) and hiding under their bed. I’m all for personal freedom.

    I’ve heard all the arguments about ICU beds, but if they wrap themselves up well enough, the thunderdome fight-to-the-death for ICU beds, shouldn’t bother them. They won’t even see the gore, from under their beds.

    Oh yes, the hospital staff who will be forced to expose themselves when treating me? Well, given that there is a significant slice of medical professionals who are currently on the edge of being put out of business due to a lack of work (from the horses mouth), the work may please them. However, if this is an issue, every morning I promise to get a Sharpie and write NFR (Not For Resuscitation) on my forehead. Leave me where I lay.

    In all seriousness, the reports of the eerie quietness of our hospitals and the stagnation of many highly trained medical professionals (and the flow on effect through the medical support infrastructure), is disturbing and potentially very damaging. When we see doctors and medical scientists on welfare, we’ll know we went too far.

  113. Struth

    Will you give it a rest Notafan, you’re a fucking idiot.

    The southern part of Australia, below the tropic of Capricorn, has a much harsher flu season than the north.
    It is not a state by state issue, you fucking space cadet.
    WA goes from the top of Australia to the bottom.
    Queensland is huge and the NT has hardly any deaths from the flu, even though every flu season it is swamped by old southerners called grey nomads…….which absolutely validates what I’m saying and what anyone with half a brain knows.
    So southern WA And southern Queensland would count for most of their cases.
    Not only do you keep embarrassing yourself, you keep doing it by blindly believing any bloody statistic shoved in your face.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    I wonder.
    If Peter Brock had used structured water in his energy polariser device would we be living in a very different world.
    Driving perpetual motion toranas.
    Elon who?
    Wow!
    Sliding door moments eh?

  115. Snoopy

    Seven SM, is your last name an anagram?

  116. Oh right demanding autopsies and biological cultures is “trutherism”.

    If only that man knew what “science” actually meant.

  117. Sydney Boy

    In all seriousness, the reports of the eerie quietness of our hospitals and the stagnation of many highly trained medical professionals (and the flow on effect through the medical support infrastructure), is disturbing and potentially very damaging. When we see doctors and medical scientists on welfare, we’ll know we went too far.

    I have also heard that hospitals such as those in Perth far away from the virus hotspots of Sydney, Melbourne and the Gold Coast are very quiet. I think it may have something to do with the long-term users / small-time contributors of free medical services staying at home.

  118. calli

    The odious Triggs presumes to speak for all grandmothers.

    Today, women over 60 are often well-educated and financially independent, having had a fruitful career while also doing a decent job of raising their children. Today, the ’60s generation of women is emerging as a political force to be reckoned with.

    Loudmouths yesterday, loudmouths today. There’s no “emerging”, just a continuation of the same behaviour.

  119. notafan

    The harsh winter of southern Queensland.

    Okay

  120. Struth

    I’m no fan but a tweet by Joe Hildebrand had the beginnings of it. He said we should just lockdown anybody calling for a lockdown.

    We all can dream……………

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Interestingly enough it was suppressed for a very long time then taken up by a nice old gentleman from Brooklyn. So he was sort of allowed to pursue it somehow, while all others before him had their standing ruined if they tried it on. 

    Say no more.
    Wink, nudge.
    We all know who that is.
    But who is pulling his strings?
    Who is the organ grinder?

  122. Seven States Mencius

    Mencius lived at a time, when what we now know as China, consisted of many different states. A severe period of argy bargy and consolidation was looming over these gentlemen.

  123. mh

    UK – 881 new COVID-19 deaths.

    USA eased back to 1,666

  124. notafan

    Not to mention most of the population of WA and Qld is in the south.

    I thoug those stats suggested that Qld had a lot more flu cases than Victoria.

    Oh well.

  125. egg_

    But, but… renowned Troofer organization, the UK HCID ruled that CV-19 is not an infectious disease, Leftwing Think Tankers*.

    *Oxymoron?

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    If only there was a decent investigative/science journalist in Brooklyn.

  127. Tel

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus believes the pandemic is much more than a health crisis, requiring a whole-of government & society response

    Someone must have handed him a little red book.

  128. notafan

    Why are you asking me about Hong Kong infections rates?

    All I know about Hong Kong is that I can’t send a parcel there because of some sort of lockdown.

  129. Graeme

    The structure of water due to hydrogen bonding can change based on acidity. Not really pH as the pH of neutral water changes with temperature.

    The change induced by hydronium ions is only planar and only transitional.

    No doubt it happens when you get pissed as well, as ethanol binds to water in a dimer.

    What happens in your blood is interesting but hardly controversial.

  130. As a counterpoint to the egregious bullshit routinely posted here during the last few weeks, here’s a few salient facts. (Source – John Hopkins medicine website).

    Coronavirus Disease 2019: Myth vs. Fact

    Infectious Diseases
    There’s a lot of information circulating about COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, so it’s important to know what’s true and what’s not.

    TRUE or FALSE? A vaccine to cure COVID-19 is available.
    The answer is false.

    There is no vaccine for the new coronavirus right now. Scientists have already begun working on one, but developing a vaccine that is safe and effective in human beings will take many months.

    TRUE or FALSE? The new coronavirus was deliberately created or released by people.
    The answer is false.

    Viruses can change over time. Occasionally, a disease outbreak happens when a virus that is common in an animal such as a pig, bat or bird undergoes changes and passes to humans. This is likely how the new coronavirus came to be.

    TRUE or FALSE? Ordering or buying products shipped from overseas will make a person sick.
    The answer is false.

    Researchers are studying the new coronavirus to learn more about how it infects people. As of this writing, the World Health Organization (WHO) says that the likelihood of becoming infected with COVID-19 from a commercial package is low since it has likely traveled over several days and been exposed to different temperatures and conditions during transit.

    Updated April 3, 2020

  131. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3403485, posted on April 10, 2020 at 7:54 am

    If only there was a decent investigative/science journalist in Brooklyn.

    Well, one who is not in the pockets of the you-know-whos.
    Don’t they have enough money?
    Why are they suppressing this?

  132. Seven States Mencius

    Who is the organ grinder?

    Could be. Could be. Could be an organic organ grinder. An emergent property. A subconscious meeting of minds with no ill-intent. A great many coincidences laid end to end. An expression of the zeitgeist of the moment. A series of unfortunate events.

  133. Knuckle Dragger

    Yeah, it didn’t take long.

    The WHO, ably backed by their Australian enablers are now reverting to type and squealing about banning smoking because own good.

  134. notafan

    Population of northern territory 211000 yet they had four influenza deaths.

    Population of Tasmania is over 500, 000 yet they only had one influenza death.

    You were saying?

  135. Struth

    The harsh winter of southern Queensland.

    Okay

    Yes Notafan.
    It’s cold enough and it’s highly populated.
    Get out more………………..oh sorry, you can’t.

    But that’s OK by you, think of the old lives we’re saving that could be up north now, saving their own.

  136. ryki

    Notafan do you have an article that provides any evidence of a single person actually dying as a result of COVID?

    Note how easy this should be.

    You only need to provide a single person. But you need to show actual causality not correlation.

  137. The Beer Whisperer

    notafan
    #3403434, posted on April 10, 2020 at 7:29 am
    an article on how effective flu vaccines are

    More complicated than generally imagined, but what is clear is that it is not the panacea people think it is.

  138. A pandemic non infectious viral disease which to question is trutherism.

    Franz Kafka, you could not have done it better yourself.

    Thank god Scotty is doubling the chocolate ration!

  139. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh great.

    Now it’s a honey pot.

  140. Ed Case

    Queensland has had the worst asthma rates in Australia for years, particularly non metropolitan.
    Anyone moving from Queensland to Melbourne for the first time will notice 2 things:
    Air quality is a lot better and food quality is a lot better.

  141. notafan

    Okay there hasn’t been a single death from covid19.

    China has faked every thing.

  142. The probability being low = false?

    Now I’m not surprised that all Western government are deeply in debt and even the greatest civilisations fall.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    But where does the albino monk in the hooded cloak fit in?
    And I didn’t think monks were part of their religion.
    A puzzling conundrum.

  144. Seven States Mencius

    What happens in your blood is interesting but hardly controversial.

    Well maybe not to you Frank. Because I can see that you have taken a shine to scientific principles. But its the case that most people think of the heart as a pump. And though the capillaries arteries and veins etcetera, laid end to end would wrap around the globe 2-3 times, most folks are yet to notice the implausibility of that paradigm.

  145. 132andBush

    Three confirmed cases in Griffith with two of those already recovered. The place is running at 50% and going by yesterdays cruise up the main drag 2/3 of the shops are closed.
    My wife had to leave at 6am yesterday in order to be in a fucking queue at Coles in order to buy toilet paper as even isolated farmers who always have a week to ten days in stock are running low because there is none on the shelf during normal shopping hours! Some people must have whole houses full of the stuff by now!

    Easter 2020

  146. notafan

    No it isn’t beer whisperer.

    But if there is little risk a flu vaccine will do you harm it seems worth having.

  147. ryki

    Okay there hasn’t been a single death from covid19.

    China has faked every thing.

    So there’s no evidence. Thanks.

    And I find it amusing that all of a sudden you claim that the Chinese never lie.

  148. 132andBush

    As a counterpoint to the egregious bullshit routinely posted here

    Copied and pasted without further comment.

  149. rickw

    Not much to this story, she just says “go back to China”, but is this the SkyNews presenter KD and ftb have been commenting on?

    Given that most seem to have been happy and proud do the CCP’s bidding, it’s probably not an unreasonable suggestion.

    500 tons of medical equipment and ppe doesn’t shift itself!

  150. calli

    You’ve just been bundyrum-ed, Nota.

    No matter what your answer, the response is pre-programed.

  151. Tel

    If only that man knew what “science” actually meant.

    It can mean anything you like … provided it doesn’t involve any truth.

    J.D. Vance points out that a serological study was recently conducted on 1,000 volunteers in Copenhagen and central Denmark showing that 2.7 percent of the participants had antibodies for SARS-CoV-2 (the coronavirus’ scientific name). This is much higher than the known incidence of cases in Denmark, but inconsistent with the idea that the disease has been circulating undetected for months. Analysis of genetic mutation further suggests that while COVID-19 was spreading in some parts of America in January, very few people had it then.

    See that last bit about “very few people had it” well that is not a conclusion of the article he references … turns out Bednarz just tacked on his own opinion there hoping no one would call him out. I haven’t checked all his references, since the very first one I did check did not back his story.

  152. Mater

    I have also heard that hospitals such as those in Perth far away from the virus hotspots of Sydney, Melbourne and the Gold Coast are very quiet. I think it may have something to do with the long-term users / small-time contributors of free medical services staying at home.

    Even in Melbourne, some of staff are shocked at how quiet they are. Unprecedented.

  153. Snoopy

    But its the case that most people think of the heart as a pump.

    Things do seem to go down hill fast when it stops working.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Even in Melbourne, some of staff are shocked at how quiet they are. Unprecedented.

    As you saud yesterday, how many problems are brewing away quietly?
    Undetected breast, prostate and skin cancers?

  155. johanna

    Recent headline at JustIn – Their ABC. It won’t let me copy it, so here is a transcription:

    ‘It’s a big mistake to dismiss grandmothers as passed their used-by date’

    It takes real talent to compress so many errors into one headline.

    Who has been dismissing grandmothers is unclear, BTW. But, facts, schmacts.

    And I repeat my complaint about the taxpayer funded behemoth running stories about virus-related trivia (including how their highly paid staff are whiling away the hours at home) while ignoring almost everything else that is happening across the world, unless they are taking a shot at Trump.

    The Upper Woop Woop Pig Breeders’ Gazette (incorporating the Western Woop Woop Pig Breeders’ Bugle) would do a better job.

  156. Davey Boy

    That ain’t workin’
    That’s the way to do it
    Get your money for nuthin’
    And your cheques for free
    Luxury cars and property purchased with proceeds of ‘insidious’ NDIS fraud

  157. Struth

    Population of northern territory 211000 yet they had four influenza deaths.

    Population of Tasmania is over 500, 000 yet they only had one influenza death.

    You were saying?

    Again, god it’s tiring.
    If you got out more, you’d know the page that you are looking at which shows just how deadly last year’s flu season was, you would know that Alice Springs and central Australia, in the NT was swamped by caravanners and tourists from down south who went through highly flu ridden SA, ( I caught two flus myself working down there, very bad flus) due to the rock closing the climb, the Finke Desert Race, and other national speedway events.
    That is not Northern Australia.
    They call it central Australia for a reason………………..
    Yet it is in the NT.
    As I said before, below the tropic of Capricorn.
    They do not go to Tasmania in the middle of winter in any sort of number compared to heading north in the winter.

    The sky is blue and the water is wet, just in case you haven’t worked this out yet.
    Will you believe me if I can’t prove it statistically?
    You’re getting worse Nota, and your stubborn Irish bitch traits of keeping on going are not helping your case.
    You’re just not as smart as you think you are, and that’s fine, but it’s not our fault, so no good sniping constantly.
    You’re just a banshee slashing at everything at the moment, it’s sort of embarrassing.

  158. Seven States Mencius

    Indeed. But the idea of pumping sticky viscous stuff 2-3 times around the world, with a pump that small …. Well it has some ways to go as a particularly powerful theory.

  159. egg_

    NSW CV-19 curves from travellers and non travellers are going down.

    We know the virus has been around for 5 months.

    I know e.g. Chunk hairdressers who work 6 x 10 hour shifts cutting hair in Sydney for their slave masters then return to Chi na for 2 weeks then back to Sydney for 5 weeks – a very mobile population – to think we’re an isolated Island Continent in this day and age is ridiculous.

    The Authorities probably knew the Ruby Princess was a non event.

    The non story will probably wind down after Easter and the hand wringers can move on to the next imaginary crisis.

  160. notafan

    Isn’t the suggestion that perennial hospital ER inhabitants are staying home?

    I assume people are still seeing their GPs about normal concerns.

  161. egg_

    IIRC Johnanna asked “mh” if they were a troll and there was no denial forthcoming.

  162. Mater

    As you saud yesterday, how many problems are brewing away quietly?
    Undetected breast, prostate and skin cancers?

    They’ve sufficiently scared the shit out of the older patients, that MANY are refusing to leave their homes to get essential blood tests, and other monitoring procedures.

    This is a fuckup beyond belief, and the lingering impacts will outweigh Agent Orange by streets.

  163. Leigh Lowe

    Even in Melbourne, some of staff are shocked at how quiet they are. Unprecedented

    As of yesterday 50 (fifty) people in hospital in Viktorianistan with Kung Flu.
    Thirteen in ICU.
    And they keep going on about frontline medical staff run off their feet.
    Most of them are progressing to a black belt in Sudoku.

  164. calli

    Joh, it was written by the TrigglyPuff.

    I linked to it at 7:49.

    A search for relevance for the elderly and minuscule protest generation.

  165. notafan

    You don’t know whether the NT deaths were or whether those that dies were locals or visitors.

    You just make stuff up.

    Going from Southern States to the tropic of Capricorn to a fictional account of caravaners from SA ( because you read the article and realise that SA had a low vaccination rate)

    Also I’m two thirds English, just for the record.

  166. johanna

    Also, nice pattering rain since the wee hours. Hope it is helping some farmers and graziers.

    We could use a bright spot in the economy.

  167. lotocoti

    Sar Wars: Rogue Wuhan.
    Coming soon to a closed cinema near you.

  168. egg_

    There is no vaccine for the new coronavirus right now.

    True.

    How effective was the SARS vaccine – 20%?
    How quickly does such a virus mutate that a vaccine will be useless by the time it’s rolled out?

  169. 132andBush

    This is a fuckup beyond belief, and the lingering impacts will outweigh Agent Orange by streets.

    +1

  170. Eyrie

    “Also I’m two thirds English, just for the record.”
    And 100% fuckwit.

  171. Mater

    I assume people are still seeing their GPs about normal concerns.

    Nota,
    If they have anything which remotely resembles a symptom of COVID-19, GPS are refusing to let them in clinics. Phone, or yelling through an open door from the car park, are the options available.

  172. notafan

    I know Mater been there done that.

    I’m just saying if you day had a lump in your breast still go to the doctors

  173. 132andBush

    Also, nice pattering rain since the wee hours. Hope it is helping some farmers and graziers.

    It certainly is, Jo.
    Another 15mm yesterday.

  174. calli

    Eyrie, we’re all at least 75% f-wit.

  175. johanna

    calli, Triggs wrote the article – and it is predictably awful – but the headline was provided by whoever is standing in for the work experience kid at TheirABC.

    Proof positive that Ita has absolutely no control over management. At the AWW, the author of such an abomination would not last the day.

  176. notafan

    52 children under the age of five were hospitalized in the northern territory influenza in 2018

    I’m guessing the risk is in a particular community.

    early influenza season in central Australia

  177. As you saud (sic) yesterday, how many problems are brewing away quietly?

    And some are not so quiet.
    Read catallaxy.
    It’s wall-to-wall CDS*.

    *Corona Disinformation Syndrome

    Speaking of Saud – the Saudi royal family have copped a whacking.

    Dozens of members of the ruling Saudi royal family, as many as 150, have been infected with coronavirus in recent weeks, a news report said.

    Saudi Prince Faisal bin Bandar bin Abdulaziz Al Saud – the governor of the capital Riyadh who is in his 70s – is in intensive care after contracting the virus, according to The New York Times, which cited hospital communications, doctors in the country and sources familiar with the family.

  178. calli

    Poor hygiene? Compromised immune systems? Typhoid Mary Grey Nomads?

    Take yer pick.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Poor hygiene? Compromised immune systems? Typhoid Mary Grey Nomads?

    They are all going to die in their caravans.
    We are going to lock the doors and push the caravans into the Yallourn open-cut and never speak of them again.

  180. notafan

    If influenza can be a killer, why can’t this strain of sars be a killer?

    And I don’t think I’m the only person here that doesn’t think everybody who says there is a pandemic is lying.

    I have said repeatedly that Australia should lift restrictions after Easter.

    Reopen schools

    Let shops reopen.

    Etc

    Everyone’s been educated and can make their own risk assessment about remaining in isolation.

    It’s not as if we can’t wind back if there is a massive spike.

    Which obviously there won’t be.

  181. ryki

    Notafan you seem desperately keen to never answer me.

    What proof is there that covid has led to any deaths?

    Where is the evidence that the ratio of positive/negative cases is increasing which would provide some evidence that the disease was spreading?

  182. calli

    Heh. The Beloved has been making caravan-buying rumblings. He even went one of the Shows and brought back brochures.

    It’s his only character flaw. Everything else is a-okay.

  183. Struth

    You don’t know whether the NT deaths were or whether those that dies were locals or visitors.

    You just make stuff up.

    I just used to live there you imbecile, and was there last season.

    What I can tell you is this, with the disaster areas of disease called aboriginal communities, who see doctors and Nurses doing stints at the Alice Springs hospital to learn about diseases they cannot study without going to third world countries, those abos, who travel all over the joint and especially down into the Pit lands down in SA and with the desert cold that occurs at night in the winter in CENTRAL Australia NT, I am surprised there were not more deaths from the flu there that season.

    You see Notafan, Central Australia is not Northern Australia, but it is NT.

    Now do you finally see what a Minda you are making of yourself?
    Just to argue, and for no other reason, you have decided to grab hold like a pitbull again, without having the brains to look at the subject matter.
    You therefore find yourself arguing that flus survive in all temperatures and that colder areas don’t suffer with colds and flus seasons anymore than warm areas, when actual doctors tell many people yearly to head north to avoid just such a season.

  184. notafan

    Ryki

    Why are you asking me?

    You have the same internet access that I do.

    Apparently.

  185. Farmer Gez

    Taiwan had one new case of C-19 yesterday.
    They have not shut down the shops, schools or small gatherings like our crazed czars.
    Concentrating solely on detection, thorough testing and rigorous monitoring of the infected, they have brought this virus to a halt.

    Taiwan targeted medical and police resources into keeping tabs on only the infected and their immediate contacts rather than chasing the entire population. Taiwan saved the heavy fines for the infected who breached quarantine. That’s a logical and sensible use of scarce resources whereas our shotgun approach makes sure the virus can slip out of infected families as plod chases L platers.

    When our government tells us their measures are the only way, remember Taiwan and know for sure they’re lying.

  186. Tel

    From the article about the Washington State outbreak:

    In addition to the 293 viruses sampled from Washington State falling into the WA1 outbreak clade, we observe that seven viruses sampled from the Grand Princess cruise ship in late February and early Mar 2020 all group into the same outbreak clade (​Fig. 1A​). The genetic relationship among these viruses is consistent with a single introduction onto the Grand Princess cruise ship of the basal outbreak variant, possessing C17747T and A17858G, and subsequent transmission and evolution on the ship. With this phylogenetic structure, it is impossible to confidently determine whether the common ancestor of the outbreak clade is in Washington State, is on the Grand Princess, or was transmitted to both from an unsampled source. However, given the relative sizes of the Washington State outbreak and the Grand Princess outbreak, we believe a Washington State to Grand Princess transmission to be more likely, occurring subsequent to the introduction of the WA1 outbreak clade into Washington State. In addition, we observed 53 SARS-CoV-2 genomes from Washington State that fall outside this primary outbreak clade and into multiple separate clusters (​Fig. 2​). Many of these separate clusters consist of single viruses and appear to be recent introductions not yet related to large clusters of local transmission. There is a second clade with 38 viruses that represents 11% of Washington State viruses. This clade is closely related to viruses from the European outbreak and likely represents a second introduction occurring at sometime in February 2020.

    Assuming a putative 15 January 2020 introduction based on the phylogenetic evidence, we simulated forward in a stochastic epidemiological transmission model to investigate the expected size of outbreak given this date of introduction. Based on epidemiological literature (​15​–​17​)​, we chose a model with basic reproduction number (​R​0​) of 3.2 corresponding to a mean doubling time of 6.1 days with 90% uncertainty interval of 5.1 to 8.2 days. Under this model, the median prevalence of active infections descended from the presumptive index case as of 1 March 2020 was 310 (90% uncertainty interval 50, 960), and with a total incidence to that date of 400 (90% uncertainty interval 80, 1300) infections (​Fig. 3​). As we have not yet been able to quantify the impact of social distancing policies since 5 March 2020, we estimate an upper bound of 1600 (90% uncertainty interval 250, 5100) active infections in this transmission chain by 15 March 2020. Although this simulation lacks explicit mobility, we expect the majority of downstream infections to be geographically localized. This model assumes a constant transmission rate; mitigation measures enacted during early March may have decreased transmission rate.

    So they certainty found multiple different strains relating back to January and February.

    Then based on an estimated start date they modelled what might happen if people maybe don’t travel much and they got an estimated range of still currently active cases with that strain which could be as high as 5000 people. That’s not an insignificant number, and that’s with a very sketchy model that the author admits is only a rough estimate.

    Conclusion: yes the lockdown was already way too late, and largely pointless from the perspective of controlling a virus. Great for controlling people, but useless otherwise.

  187. johanna

    The Catholics have had some dud Popes throughout history, but this one is a pearler:

    ROME — Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

    Asked by British journalist Austen Ivereigh whether the COVID-19 crisis is an opportunity for an “ecological conversion,” the pontiff reasserted his belief that humanity has provoked nature by not responding adequately to the climate crisis.

    “There is an expression in Spanish: ‘God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives,’” Francis said in the interview published Wednesday. “We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that a year and a half ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?”

    “I don’t know if it is nature’s revenge, but it is certainly nature’s response,” he added.

    Sounds just a tad heretical to me, and I’m not even a Catholic.

    I just hope that he hasn’t stacked the College of Cardinals with his acolytes sufficiently to make his successor as bad as he is.

  188. egg_

    Lockdown bites – ABC Sports interviewing Wayne Pearce bemoaning lack of a footy season.
    Sabre rattling at Aunty?

  189. notafan

    Another goal post shift.

    Southern states remember?

    You still don’t know where influenza deaths are clustered in the NT.

    Neither do I

    The NT governments doesn’t choose to publish those details, according to the articles.

    So just guessing.

    Tasmania.

    One death.

    With more than double the population.

  190. min

    Just worked out why the lockdown to get everyone to do online banking.
    For those blaming cold weather for numbers with cvc London is 26 degrees today and Melbourne 22 but then cannot extrapolate from one example.

  191. Des Deskperson

    The odious Triggs presumes to speak for all grandmothers.’

    From Calli’s link:

    ‘This generation of grandmothers came from the ’60s and ’70s, many — and for the first time in history — spending formative years at university with free or minimal fees, marching against Vietnam, experimenting with sexual liberation, burning our bras and “making love not war”‘

    Was this some contest about how many shabby, shop-worn cliches about that period you could fit into one sentence? Someone tell her she forgot ‘Woodstock’

    I’ve no evidence that Triggsy herself was part of this scene. My impression – perhaps unfair – is that she was a socialite, a swat and a schmoozer at Uni in the sixties. She was Miss Melbourne University – something, even in those days, that no woke feminist would aspire to – and she ended up marrying a professor. Rosa Luxembourg she wasn’t.

    Despite her academic laurels, I’ve always had the impression that she’s not very bright.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3403575, posted on April 10, 2020 at 8:37 am

    Heh. The Beloved has been making caravan-buying rumblings. He even went one of the Shows and brought back brochures.

    It’s his only character flaw. Everything else is a-okay

    Caravan brochures?
    Speak to a lawyer.
    This is DV in it’s worst form.
    Break out the white ribbons.

  193. johanna

    calli
    #3403575, posted on April 10, 2020 at 8:37 am

    Heh. The Beloved has been making caravan-buying rumblings. He even went one of the Shows and brought back brochures.

    It’s his only character flaw. Everything else is a-okay.

    If he does succumb, make sure he contacts our own custard. He will get a good deal, and custard will get a few shekels in commission.

  194. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Thank Gawd, it’s not tits out.

    cocker spaniel ears

  195. DDDee

    Notafan, by any chance have you ever heard of FIFO? How the heck do you continue to comment of things that you have no fecking idea about just to try and prove a point!!

    Numbers is actually correct on the stats re the Isa hospital in the winter months! The amount of Grey nomads though this place in the winter months is insane!!

    We now also cope with the amount of mines in the area that are completely FIFO!! The Isa is the nearest large hospital! It services centres smaller towns and regions that are nearly the size of bloody Victoria. It has three ICU beds!!

  196. This is a fuckup beyond belief, and the lingering impacts will outweigh Agent Orange by streets.

    No.
    This is a fuckup beyond belief, and it will kill many more Yanks than agent orange.

    From the second link –

    Fears of a pandemic come after the Trump administration spent the past several years gutting the very government programs that are tasked with combating such a crisis.

    In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

    Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

    Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
    Eliminating the US government’s $US30 million Complex Crises Fund.
    Reducing national health spending by $US15 billion.
    Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.
    The CDC is working on a new test to screen for the coronavirus, but according to New York magazine, problems with the test’s development resulted in only three out of 100 public-health labs being equipped to screen for the virus. Moreover, each test costs as much as $US250, and the Health and Human Services Department is already running out of money to finance an adequate response to the outbreak.

    Obama had a different approach – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij90EjI3nQE

    The structures that were set up were flensed in Trump’s first few years in office. He’s talking about ebola, but the necessary processes are the same.

  197. ryki

    Ryki

    Why are you asking me?

    You have the same internet access that I do.

    Apparently.

    I’ve looked. And it isn’t there that I can see. But mine is not the positive case.

    I’m sure you agree that it would be pretty ridiculous to believe this virus is going to kill millions if you can’t even find evidence of it killing one.

    And yet, there you are.

  198. feelthebern

    Laura Jayes.
    Huuuge Fucken Tits.

    h/t Andrew Dice Clay.

    PS Laura is with child.

  199. Mater

    And some are not so quiet.
    Read catallaxy.
    It’s wall-to-wall CDS*.

    Are you still forcing your immunocompromised wife to go in to do the shopping, while you sit safely “hermetically sealed in the car”?

    1735099
    #3397136, posted on April 7, 2020 at 8:09 am

    It has the advantage that because my bride and I are both in the vulnerable group, she’s the one who (with mask and gloves) braves the supermarket war zone, whilst I wait hermetically sealed in the car.

    You’re a man amongst men, Bob. A living tribute to the downfall of our country.

  200. Leigh Lowe

    ROME — Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

    Asked by British journalist Austen Ivereigh whether the COVID-19 crisis is an opportunity for an “ecological conversion,” the pontiff reasserted his belief that humanity has provoked nature by not responding adequately to the climate crisis

    Ha ha.
    Two days ago the SJWs were having the big pile-on over his “persecution and false imprisonment” remarks the day George was sprung from jail.
    Now … oooh … what to do?

  201. egg_

    Concentrating solely on detection, thorough testing and rigorous monitoring of the infected, they have brought this virus to a halt.

    Herd immunity and isolating > 70s was the UK’s best curve strategy until the ruling class panicked.

  202. Struth

    I have said repeatedly that Australia should lift restrictions after Easter.

    No, they should never have been put in place.
    Due to an emasculated and virtue signaling Australia, you included there, at the start of this, they got away with it.

    Reopen schools

    They’ll reopen schools because brainwashing now is more important than Nanna catching the kung flu from her grandchildren who are showing no symptoms.

    Let shops reopen.

    Etc

    Everyone’s been educated and can make their own risk assessment about remaining in isolation.

    It’s not as if we can’t wind back if there is a massive spike.

    Go ahead, tell Dan Andrews what you want, I’m sure he’ll immediately heed your call.
    You let him do this, and now you want your country back.
    Too bad, so sad.

    Which obviously there won’t be.

    There will be.
    As soon as the flu season starts and the oldies start dying again as with every year, we will be the new New York.
    I’ll bet money on it.
    They are just holding us until then.
    No problem now, and no release from our prisons.
    The deaths will be along shortly.
    And there will be the benefit of all those extra caravanner deaths who could have escaped up north like they do every year.

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