Thursday Forum: April 9, 2020

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  1. feelthebern

    A spectrum.
    At one end was Vercingetorix at Alesia.
    At the other extreme ScoMo & the state premiers response to coronavirus.
    There had to been some middle ground.

  2. mh

    The Qantas Sydney worker is the latest case among staff at the airline, which includes 17 baggage handlers as part of a cluster at Adelaide airport, 19 cabin crew and eight pilots. Qantas has admitted 50 workers have been infected.

    Qantas has repeatedly down-played the risk of exposure to its workers and in several correspondence to workers and the TWU it has described the risk of exposure as “negligible”, even stating and advising workers that COVID-19 could not be contracted from surfaces.

    The TWU yesterday evening filed a legal request to Qantas stating it believes the airline has failed to reduce the risk of infection to workers, “resulting in infection of a significant number of workers in its operations in Sydney and interstate, and the likely exposure of hundreds more”…

    https://www.twu.com.au/press/twu-serves-qantas-with-legal-request-for-documents-as-sydney-worker-tests-positive/

  3. egg_

    Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

    Channelling Idris Elba.
    Is this Pope proof God has a sense of humour?

  4. Farmer Gez

    132andBush
    #3403512, posted on April 10, 2020 at 8:04 am
    My wife had to leave at 6am yesterday in order to be in a fucking queue at Coles in order to buy toilet paper as even isolated farmers who always have a week to ten days in stock are running low because there is none on the shelf during normal shopping hours! Some people must have whole houses full of the stuff by now!

    Same here mate.
    We always buy UHT milk, usually ten at a time. The mongrel townies, who can buy fresh milk everyday, have kept the shelves empty for two months as they descend like vultures when their mates give them the heads up that the delivery truck is pulling in.

  5. Ed Case

    If influenza can be a killer, why can’t this strain of sars be a killer?

    Because influenza is a killer, what most people think of as Flu is just a bad cold.
    This strain of Sars?
    For the vast majority it’s nowhere near a bad cold, if they even have symptoms.
    For people with heavily compromised Immune systems, such as the AIDS infected, getting a cold can be fatal.
    Can a nothingburger be a killer?
    Probably, and 3 people die each year from squeezing a pimple.
    What’s your point?

  6. notafan

    No one had claimed covid19 is killing millions.

    Read the article. There is specific mention of children in northern Australia.

    Yes old people die on holiday.

    That’s not surprising.

    They do it all the time.

  7. calli

    If he does succumb,

    It’s about me succumbing – he’s almost there.

    I’m going all Churchillian on this one.

    I shall resist the purchase of a caravan to the end. I shall shall resist in the garage, I shall resist on the nature strip and driveway, I shall resist with growing confidence and growing strength in the household budget, I shall defend my spacious service area for an orchid house not a parking space, whatever the cost may be….I shall never surrender.

  8. Numbers is actually correct on the stats re the Isa hospital in the winter months! The amount of Grey nomads though this place in the winter months is insane!!

    My post was based on my experience, not on the stats, but unless the world has changed since I was there, the stats would back it up.

  9. Nick

    How come most of those spitting and coughing at police and supermarket workers are women?
    Perhaps this is the leadership that Triggs speaks of ?

  10. Nick

    The Qantas Sydney worker is the latest case among staff at the airline, which includes 17 baggage handlers as part of a cluster at Adelaide airport, 19 cabin crew and eight pilots. Qantas has admitted 50 workers have been infected.

    Have they had a quote from any of the Australians stuck in Sth America who demanded they be picked up ?

  11. notafan

    I’m well aware of the difference between influenza and a bad cold.

    The premise was

    As I personally cannot prove that anyone ever has died of covid, no-one has died of covid19.

    Every one that says they are is lying or something.

    I don’t believe they are all lying.

    You can believe what you like too.

  12. johanna

    Can I please put in a complaint of the use of the word ‘pandemic’ as if it signals some kind of novel (I prefer ‘newfangled’) disaster?

    Every year, Australian and other countries’ gurus concoct a flu vaccine. The flu they are trying to protect us against did not originate in their own countries. But, it spreads all over the world.

    Every year, we have a flu ‘pandemic.’

    The use of that word, as if this is something unique, has seriously clouded the debate.

  13. Roger

    ROME — Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

    Asked by British journalist Austen Ivereigh whether the COVID-19 crisis is an opportunity for an “ecological conversion,” the pontiff reasserted his belief that humanity has provoked nature by not responding adequately to the climate crisis

    Not an official pronouncement, but an insight into the…er, unorthodox views the pope holds (to put it kindly). He’s gone beyond the personification of nature to ascribing personhood – mind & will – to it.

  14. Boambee John

    struth

    Remember, don’t leave your home Sniffy.
    You are imprisoned, do not leave your home.

    A few threads back, he was boasting of taking the MX5 manopause machine out for a run to the range. A completely non-essential breach of the Soshul Distan Singh rules.

    Completely irresponsible seagull!

  15. shatterzzz

    Lockdown bites – ABC Sports interviewing Wayne Pearce bemoaning lack of a footy season.
    Sabre rattling at Aunty?

    Wayne Pierce has skin in the game .. appointed (paid?) to the NRL panel that has decided thugby will recommence May 28 .. no mention if they’ve consulted Gladys or Scottie from Marketing yet ..!

  16. notafan

    The Pope loses all brownie points gained by that tweet.

  17. johanna

    Oh, and to those who would deny me, calli, Gab and even the egregious Elizabeth the vote – the only way you will get what you want, tinydicks, is if the Muzzies take over.

    Think about it.

  18. Are you still forcing your immunocompromised wife to go in to do the shopping, while you sit safely “hermetically sealed in the car”?

    No – my adult daughter, who currently lives with us, does the actual shopping.
    She wears gloves and follows the social distancing advice.
    I’m touched at your concern for our welfare.

    As for me “forcing” my bride to do anything.
    That is hilarious.
    She is the fifth in a family of eleven, and all but one of her older siblings are boys.
    She learned very early to completely ignore coercive older males.

  19. herodotus

    Harwin cops a fine, but in the same article (The Oz) it says “NSW public health orders still allow people to move between differen­t places of residence. But both federal and state governm­ent officials, including Mr Morrison, have urged Aust­ralians to stay in their primary residence over summer.”

  20. Snoopy

    Do members of censorious television news crews travel to assignments in separate vehicles? If not, why not?

  21. min

    Who is making more nonsensical statements Pope Francis or Biden ?

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Someone mentioned yesterday that Courageous Ray Hadley had dialled back the anti-Pell anti-Bolt fuming of the previous couple of days.
    Speaking to Mrs L’s sisters in Syderney on a hook-up last night.
    Word is he got a warning from station management.
    Followed up by notice in writing that if there was any defamation action arising from his commentary from that point forward he would be deemed to be wholly financially responsible for legal fees and damages.
    Amazing how courage evaporates when it is your own money on the line.

  23. johanna

    Herotodus – WTF does that mean?

    I’m guessing that what it means is that politicians and their well-remunerated connections have whinged about not being able to go to the beachhouse for Easter.

    People who don’t have beachhouses can suffer in their jocks.

  24. Numbers calls himself an older coercive beta male in one statement.

    Keep going champ.

  25. Nick

    NRL clubs are set to return to training in just three weeks after the ARL Commission on Thursday announced its intention to resume the season on May 28.

    The Daily Telegraph reports that clubs have been told they can recall their players and coaching staff during the first week of May,

    So, is there distancing or what ?

  26. calli

    I understand Harwin also had a guest at Pearl Beach – a Young Liberal recently returned from the UK.

    What’s all that about?

  27. Leigh Lowe

    I shall resist the purchase of a caravan to the end.

    Stay strong.
    Caravans have no place in civilized society.
    If God had meant us to holiday in a caravan he would not have created hotels.

  28. As one who is routinely called a Communist on this site – nowhere else – a reflection on the use of the word –
    In the minds of the Harpics (those so far to the right that they are clean round the bend), calling someone a ‘Communist’ fulfills the same kind of role as ‘takfir’ does for a Salafist – in declaring this they are made no longer part of the body politic, are stripped of their rights and protections, and this basically gives aforesaid Harpic a green light to murder them.

    A lot of these Harpics don’t know or care who or what communists actually are – it’s just casus belli to justify murdering whoever they wish.

    Source – literally every ‘white terror’ moment in history. And a lot of these people have not learned (and are not interested in learning) a thing from it.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3403656, posted on April 10, 2020 at 9:17 am

    I understand Harwin also had a guest at Pearl Beach – a Young Liberal recently returned from the UK.

    What’s all that about?

    Toiboi.
    Another reason his job is safe.

  30. Nick

    What’s all that about?

    Social lap dancing

  31. But you are a communist, you drooling idiot.

    You’re even an apologist for the genocide committed by the Viet Minh.

  32. calli

    No social distancing there then.

  33. A few threads back, he was boasting of taking the MX5 manopause machine out for a run to the range.

    I live on the range:-)

  34. egg_

    NRL clubs are set to return to training in just three weeks after the ARL Commission on Thursday announced its intention to resume the season on May 28.

    Money talks.

  35. herodotus

    Hi Johanna – I took it to mean the same as the NSW gov website (what you can and can’t do), that you can move between two residences.
    By the way, back when I lived in Canberra it seemed like every second public servant from clerk class 6 upwards had a shack down the coast.

  36. Cassie of Sydney

    “You’re even an apologist for the genocide committed by the Viet Minh.”

    He is an apologist for quite a few genocides.

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A friend has been trapped in the Azores, where she was caught when the Xi virus erupted. Locked in her hotel room, the staff often neglect to knock when leaving her breakfast on the doormat. The result: a distraught phone call to report that, for the second day in a row, “the seagulls ate my breakfast.”

    She’s now attempting to wend her way home via NYC, LA, Sydney and, eventually, Danistan.

    Are there still flights to Australia via LAX? We were told they would all cease on 31st March.

    Also, does anyone know if people flying in now are still being incarcerated in Cruise-on-Land Hotels where cross-infection possibilities are high? Or have the Health Dept regained some sense and instituted a reasonable surveillance of returnees so that they may go home and self-quarantine?

    If international flights are slowly resumed, and State borders opened, as must occur for normal economic and social life to survive, then a self-quarantine in place of choice for 14 days for all international incomers (unless they could show they had already had Covid 19) might be the only imposition needed in Australia, as with another week the asymptomatics and infected people should all have got over their bout of it without giving it to anyone else, so RO. There would always be stray cases, but not enough to shut up the country on.

    ——–

    The situation as it stands is as, someone claimed yesterday about something else, rebarbative.

    A word I used here on the Cat at least a year ago, possibly longer, in a small attempt to improve yer vocabulary. Good to see it being used by others here too. 😀

  38. Struth

    Climate and Influenza
    Annual influenza epidemics occur in the winter in most temperate regions

    You should read your own links Notafan.

    Influenza occurs sporadically in hotter climates and usually due to filthy cultures practicing being filthy.

    Our culture in Northern Areas , that’s sub tropical and dry tropical as Darwin is classified as, sees harshly any flu deaths.
    They may get the “community” flus, I’ve had them myself, but if you steer clear of aboriginal communities which most whites must do anyway, the likelihood of catching a flu up north is considerably less.

    So Notafan, should those caravanners stay imprisoned in their flu season southern homes, or head north, and to be specific to argumentative, angry pig headed banshees, North of the tropic of Capricorn, where most of Australia is dry tropics, and by that I mean, not rain forest country, but dry low lying open countryside in the dry season?

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3403660, posted on April 10, 2020 at 9:18 am
    calli

    #3403656, posted on April 10, 2020 at 9:17 am

    I understand Harwin also had a guest at Pearl Beach – a Young Liberal recently returned from the UK.

    What’s all that about?

    Toiboi.
    Another reason his job is safe.”

    Ah yes….as John Ruddock said last night……Gladhag can’t sack anyone….which is why Health Hazzard and Halfwit are still there and will remain there.

    And that “boy” seen at Halfwit’s holiday house is a former Liberal candidate for the seat of Sydney in 2016…this young man is of course a homosexual and also identifies as “indigenous”…..cough, cough, cough.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    oooh ffs, someone shift that comma! This computer plays havoc with inserts. Grrr.

  41. thefrollickingmole

    1735099
    #3403386, posted on April 10, 2020 at 6:51 am

    Blah, blah, me, me I know a bloke who talked to a chap whose mate was….
    ….
    Time after time there’d be call outs to southern grey nomads who would have strokes or heart attacks due to the stress and excitement caused by their bucket list trips north.
    There were occasional elderly punters carking because their serious episodes occurred in these remote locations outside the golden hour.

    The campfire story goes “and the last thing they heard before they passed away was a strange whining sound getting closer and closer before they made out the words “I was conscripted to Vietnammmmm”…

    Someone is making money providing a service and I resent that…

  42. Nick

    Any artist attempting to release new work right now is finding isolation a particular challenge – but Australian hip-hop artist Briggs and writer and performer Tim Minchin have made the most of it, with a new filmed-at-home song satirising Scott Morrison’s leadership during the bushfire and coronavirus crises.

    Titled HouseFyre, the clip features both artists partaking in contemporary national pastimes including exercising at home, wearing ugg boots, running out of toilet paper and envy-streaming Jacinda Ardern’s press conferences.

    That brave St Adern who refused to have any lockdown being lionised by those locked down. Oh hang on.

  43. Tel

    Because influenza is a killer, what most people think of as Flu is just a bad cold.

    Anything is a killer if the victim is sufficiently vulnerable. All people die sooner or later, only a matter of what gets you and who locks you up in the meantime.

    The biggest pneumonia killer in Australia is category J18 which means we have no idea what caused it.

    That’s right, literally “no idea” kills about 20 times more Australians every year than the dreaded lockdown virus.

  44. johanna

    Re my earlier post about politicians and their staff not knowing a thing about statistics.

    As others have mentioned, having a degree proves nothing. When I did my Masters, I had to learn a bit about stats. But my best teacher was Steve McIntyre at his climate blog. When I first read it, it was incomprehensible. So, I started fossicking around the net for tutorials on statistics.

    Slowly, I began to understand what he and his commenters were talking about. I don’t claim to understand everything, but I am beginning to get the gist.

    McIntyre and his pal Jean Sibelius are among the best statisticians in the world, and it has been a privilege to learn from them, however indirectly.

    As people above said, you don’t need to go to university to get eddicated. 🙂

  45. Or, *I was served by a Korean family at Hungry Jack’s and I resent that! Only “Harpics” can’t see their own racism! Real Aussie families don’t want mining projects. Leunig represents the silent majority! etc…*

  46. egg_

    should those caravanners stay imprisoned in their flu season southern homes

    Don’t the retards usually go camping at Easter, when it’s often wet and miserable?
    The flu might thin the herd a bit.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cassie, you will have to watch out for Health Hazard’s cops as you are having to do so much coughing lately. 🙂

    When I was a child the radio ads used to spruik Bonnington’s Irish Moss as a cure for cough.
    It contained Pecteralyoximil of Carrageen, which convinced us all of its efficacy.
    I was given gallons of it because I was ‘chesty’. 🙂

  48. johanna

    The biggest pneumonia killer in Australia is category J18 which means we have no idea what caused it.

    That’s right, literally “no idea” kills about 20 times more Australians every year than the dreaded lockdown virus.

    AKA ‘idiopathic.’

    AKA we don’t have a clue.

    I don’t mind that at all, as long as they admit it. That way, there is a chance of finding the cause.

  49. So we have taxpayer funded “artists” begging for stage IV lockdown?

    Arden and Andrews are no different to the Mafia.

  50. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Hunchback’s cowardly response to the HC decision and his other commo inclinations have led some to question his professed Faith. Makes me wonder if his Father confessor and spiritual counsellor might not be Bob McGuire himself.

  51. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Holidays are banned, proles! Do not leave your home detention pod for unnecessary reasons! You will be fined! Humans must self isolate!

    Exterminate!

  52. egg_

    Slowly, I began to understand what he and his commenters were talking about.

    Vs numpties cherrypicking metrics, etc. that they don’t fully comprehend.

  53. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The Hunchback

    That grotesque deformed imbecile is a Catholic in the same way that slag Keneally is a Catholic – i.e. not at all.

  54. Mater

    No – my adult daughter, who currently lives with us, does the actual shopping.
    She wears gloves and follows the social distancing advice.
    I’m touched at your concern for our welfare.

    That’s good, Bob. I’m glad to hear it. That whole thing seemed strange, even for you.

    Don’t be too touched, though. I’m no more concerned about your welfare than I am for my own. If you haven’t picked up on my vibe, I’m not actually concerned about this ‘pandemic’ at all.

    We are nearly all going to need to get it if we are to resolve the issue. Give it to Scarlett Johansson, and I’ll be the first one lining up to pash on. I won’t even need danger money. I’d even settle for Tina Fey.

  55. Struth

    Don’t the retards usually go camping at Easter, when it’s often wet and miserable?
    The flu might thin the herd a bit.

    April to september the North of Australia is bombarded with thousands and thousands of bloody grey Nomads.
    Thousands.
    I wouldn’t mind so much but Australia now has huge cities full of them and the roads and infrastructure out bush to cope with them all, is still 1960’s built and crumbling.

    They are also stealers of bog roll, have been for years, the buggers.
    So I’m not please to see them packing out parking bays and shitting on the ground without digging a whole hole.

    But all my point is, that if they stay home they’ll be more likely to catch a flu or virus down in the cold country’s flu season.
    Will the Premiers take responsibility for their deaths?
    Notafan hasn’t yet worked out why they time the dispensation of the flu jab to this time of year.

  56. egg_

    Electronics, due to fields, works in the non-linear a lot.
    A lot of STEM folk understand the non-linear.
    Numpties see exponentials literally as “explosions”.
    The meeja love such events, as doom sells.

  57. mh

    We’re all in this together

    The Queensland Government has waived a ban on large funeral gatherings to allow up to 80 people to mourn the death of a “very significant” Indigenous leader in north Queensland…

  58. woolfe

    Hey Lizzie
    Charter flights

    I presume the Guestapo will house them in barracks for 14 days with 2am bed checks and cold showers.

  59. Struth

    Remember the government has done this to you.
    Not the virus.

  60. johanna

    That brave St Adern who refused to have any lockdown being lionised by those locked down. Oh hang on.

    Don’t forget her Health Minister who ignored his own guidelines to take the family for a picnic.

    He wasn’t sacked, just being a silly billy, relieved of some paperwork (a minor Ministry) as a reward.

    Meanwhile, the citoyens get hauled up and fined.

  61. Nick

    The Queensland Government has waived a ban on large funeral gatherings to allow up to 80 people to mourn the death of a “very significant” Indigenous leader in north Queensland…

    Wait till it’s an indigenous NRL player.

  62. Roger

    So we have taxpayer funded “artists” begging for stage IV lockdown?

    One of the upsides to this is that the state may no longer be able to afford to subsidise “the arts”.

    What’s the saying…never let a crisis go to waste.

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    sp. Pecteraloxymil

    Some wise people knew about the pectoral muscles, and that the lungs needed oxygen, millions of molecules of it, so it was full backed by popular science in the name as well as by folklore about ‘the Irish’. It was a very impressive formulation.

    These days ‘Irish Moss’ has been rediscovered by the food fetish people; said without much scientific foundation to improve skin and immune function (so maybe gallons in childhood worked, ‘cos I I am good on those). Kim Kardashian is a fan, as she would be.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    The Hunchback’s cowardly response to the HC decision and his other commo inclinations have led some to question his professed Faith. Makes me wonder if his Father confessor and spiritual counsellor might not be Bob McGuire himself.

    I think Dan has wet dreams about bankrupting the church, taking over St Pat’s and installing a Father Bob.

  65. Cardimona

    Cats, the eye-opening article from Blackjay.net that RobK posted way back on the second page, here – http://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/04/09/thursday-forum-april-9-2020/comment-page-2/#comment-3402466
    – referred to an article about Covid19 that had been on medium.com until it was deleted.

    Fortunately, (from RobK’s query on the blackjay comments), I discovered it had been saved on the Wayback Machine, here – http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efc
    – but now it’s gone from there, too.

    Spooky.

    The article was about how the bug strips the iron ion out of haemoglobin.

    Did any Cats happen to save the original medium.com article as a pdf?

    Stimpy later posted this –

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3402538, posted on April 9, 2020 at 5:01 pm
    I don’t know but I have a vague recollection that high C plus high Fe is a bad combination. I’ll check —
    Good Luck Mitch!
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Who can figure out the true meaning of “covfefe” ??? Enjoy!
    6:09 PM · May 31, 2017

    And that was extra spooky because covfefe = COV + fe + fe.

    Then, when I checked on covfefe on wiki – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe#The_covfefe_tweet
    – I got this…

    Trump did not acknowledge that the tweet contained a mistyping. Instead, after deleting the original tweet, Trump tweeted again at 6:09 am: “Who can figure out the true meaning of “covfefe” ??? Enjoy!”[16] Later that day the White House press secretary Sean Spicer implied that the tweet wasn’t a typo but was intentional: “I think the president and a small group of people know exactly what he meant.”[3]

    What on this ever-greener Earth does that suggest in the current context?
    Was the Don onto the bioweapon plot from the get-go?

  66. johanna

    mh – yep – this crisis has demonstrated who the government is afaraid of, Muesli weddings, indig funerals – we will make an exception.

    The rest of you – as the Americans say, go pound sand.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the Guestapo

    Love it.

    Yes, charter flights of course. I wasn’t thinking widely enough.
    Capitalism at work still, good to see, surprised regulations haven’t stopped them though.

  68. Geriatric Mayfly

    That brave St Adern
    Amidst the frames of click bait that run along the bottom of the FoxNews site, NZ heroics get a slot; with a background pic of a wallaby, to assist visitors with their geography.

  69. Boambee John

    I live on the range:-)

    Seagull could have flown to the range, but took the manopause machine for a “run” to the end of the driveway.

    Does the fog still roll over the houses on the range most winters?

  70. Nick

    So we have taxpayer funded “artists” begging for stage IV lockdown?

    Just so long as they are funded. It’s all so confusing Jacinda lockdown= leadership, ScoMo lockdown = state funded mockery.

  71. calli

    Any artist attempting to release new work right now is finding isolation a particular challenge – but Australian hip-hop artist Briggs and writer and performer Tim Minchin have made the most of it, with a new filmed-at-home song satirising Scott Morrison’s leadership during the bushfire and coronavirus crises.

    Chit chatting with the Beloved this morning about the plethora artistes and other celebrity folk making uplifting Youtubes in between bravely lecturing us to “stay home” and not disobey da grubbermint.

    Instead of soothing background music piping through their homes like normal people, I suspect they have an endless loop of applause. Poor things, so starved of the attention they crave.

  72. Tel

    It’s all so confusing Jacinda lockdown= leadership, ScoMo lockdown = state funded mockery.

    Not in the least confusing … Tim Minchin is a hater of Christians, and Sco Mo is a Christian, after that nothing else matters.

    If I remember rightly Tim Minchin was also one of the early enthusiasts for a Pell pile on … he’s an incredibly shallow guy. I emphasize that he won’t go after any other religion, only Christians.

  73. Roger

    If I remember rightly Tim Minchin was also one of the early enthusiasts for a Pell pile on … he’s an incredibly shallow guy.

    The eye makeup was a dead giveaway.

  74. Natural Instinct

    Just heard that UK has 21 day sunset clauses on their lock down regulations.
    Did any state government in Australia do that?

  75. ryki

    No one had claimed covid19 is killing millions

    That’s a joke right?

    The shifting of goalposts is a sight to behold.

    1) Exponential growth! Tens of millions will die! Our best hope is to give hospitals a few weeks of precious time! Flatten the curve!

    2) Ok so it isn’t exponential growth but still, hospitals are full. Hundreds of thousands will die in the best case scenario!

    3) Ok hospitals aren’t remotely full. But tens of thousands will die!

    4) Listen, at least some of the thousands of deaths we have attributed to the virus have actually been caused by the virus. Honest!

  76. calli

    Can’t seem to find a shot of the cartoon only, so this twitter link will have to do.

    The Master Cartoonist had him skewered.

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    “If I remember rightly Tim Minchin was also one of the early enthusiasts for a Pell pile on … he’s an incredibly shallow guy. I emphasize that he won’t go after any other religion, only Christians.”

    Just like someone here….except that seagull here also hates Joooos as well.

  78. calli

    Is that Chartres or Notre Dame de Paris?

    Whichever way, it’s beautiful.

  79. Geriatric Mayfly

    Tim Minchin is a hater of Christians,

    Isn’t he one of those artistes whose lyrics and music rely heavily on ‘fvck’ to give both emphasis and maintain the monotonous beat?

  80. Farmer Gez

    Looking at the Western European Numbers this morning it’s very hard to declare that lockdowns are working.
    Declarations of turning the corner are only true for the exponential growth of the outbreak but not for the daily raw numbers of new cases. Flattened curves are running flat and not generally heading down. The UK had a bad spike in cases yesterday.

    Lockdowns are only a short term measure and their use by date is fast approaching in Europe.

  81. calli

    One Sided Conversation.

    The Monologue?

    The Soliloquy sounds a bit too up market for the content.

  82. Geriatric Mayfly

    Is that Chartres or Notre Dame de Paris?

    My bet the latter. I have taken a zillion snaps of same. Hard to get right from such a low angle, and exposure always a problem.

  83. Nick

    I’m guessing Notre Dame

  84. egg_

    Tim Minchin

    How did his mini series go, where he plays an old lech with a teenage girl?
    Didn’t require much acting talent?

  85. calli

    Just had a quick GoogleLook.

    It’s the south rose window, Notre Dame de Paris. The turquoise centre is the giveaway.

    Majestic and magical.

  86. Nick

    Maybe she should play football:

    Anna Carter spent the night in jail after being arrested for violating her violating her quarantine order. Carter claims she was just looking for fresh towels.

    Carter, 45, is under quarantine in Brisbane, Australia. She was ordered to self-isolate in the Ibis Brisbane Airport Hotel after arriving from New South Wales. Each Australian state or territory has the authority to set their own entry requirements and many have restricted non-essential movement to slow the spread of COVID-19.

    But police found her outside the hotel. She told officers she had checked out of the hotel because the Ibis did not provide fresh towels each day. She was promptly arrested and hauled into court. Per 9News, A prosecutor told the court:

    “She had no real reason to be absent from the hotel. We are all aware of just how urgent the [COVID-19] situation is and the importance of self-quarantine, especially when directed to by a public health official or police.”
    In addition to the night in jail, she was fined A$2000. As it turns out, this wasn’t Carter’s first offense. The day before she was caught out of her hotel room at a local rail station. She blamed her outing on the need to purchase a band-aid for a blister on her foot. She was returned with a warning but police found her at an ATM five hours later. For that, she was fined A$1300.

    Magistrate judge Stephen Courtney called the move selfish.

    “Significant effort and expense have been gone to because of people like Ms Carter because the community can’t be confident they will do the right thing.”

  87. Diogenes

    Did any state government in Australia do that?

    NSW has a90 day limit.
    Reichsfuehere Fuller said “HE” would not be applying for an extension in an interview a couple of weeks ago.

    When did Rechfuehrer Fuller become a health expert?

    Apropos experten : Mrs D got a very clever piss-take on Nicola Sturgeon from one of her friends – one memorable quote – imagine delivered with a broad Scots accent “We have to listen to an expert like Emma Thompson, because she was in a fillumn about a virus”

  88. calli

    And it survived the fire, along with two others.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Woolfe, I see your link went to the additional flights, some subsidised, that Qantas and Virgin are putting on from key o/s hubs such as LAX and LHR for the next month, for people who can make their way to these and also mentioning rescue flights to South America and the Pacific.

    We have a week booked in the Cook Islands in June as a winter resort escape but our tour company may have to give us the option to change the date, saying go if you can to help the islanders out (but with no flights we no can do, otherwise we would). We don’t want to go in midsummer here! No refund has yet been suggested.

    Sri Lanka in July looks pretty dodgy too, because CoV2 might be playing havoc there. Or not. Wait and see? The tour company we booked with for that has been notably silent to us. Shame, as I was looking forward to seeing some old haunts there from my time living in SL for a year in the early 70’s. You wouldn’t trust the health system there though, even now, for serious things like ventilators. Prior to this we were ok for going with (already purchased) medical insurance because the intention would always be to stabilise fast from any medical condition or accident and fly home. Not possible with Covid 19. We are covered for it, due to early insurance purchase, but no airline would fly a Covid 19 patient needing ventilation.

    Would have to buy a ventilator and competent attendant on the healthcare black market.
    In 1973 you could buy anything on that. I had some saline drips on hold during a typhoid outbreak then.

  90. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Notre Dame de Paris

    Steyn described the Rose Windows as being among the most beautiful human creations he’d ever seen.

  91. ryki

    As I personally cannot prove that anyone ever has died of covid, no-one has died of covid19.

    Every one that says they are is lying or something

    You may or may not have noticed but the idea that coronavirus is killing people has seen some rather significant changes to our society.

    It seems pretty remarkable that we’re going down this path when we are yet to demonstrate that *anybody* has died from the virus.

    And comparing it to the flu is quite amusing, just for the opposite reason you’re thinking of. We blame lots of deaths on flu virus without a sliver of evidence of causation.

  92. egg_

    Fear of the unknown: One fear to rule them all?
    The current review and synthesis was designed to provocatively develop and evaluate the proposition that “fear of the unknown may be a, or possibly the, fundamental fear” (Carleton, 2016) underlying anxiety and therein neuroticism.

    A good way to manipulate the Leftist herd.

  93. Old School Conservative

    GPS are refusing to let them in clinics

    The Two Ronnies skit about automated GP visits is doing the rounds at the moment.
    How far ahead of their time were those two lads.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly


    Steyn described the Rose Windows as being among the most beautiful human creations he’d ever seen.

    I would argue the ones in Chartres are better. Didn’t the revolutionaries destroy the Notre Dame ones and most of the Medieval glass has been lost?

  95. egg_

    The TWU yesterday evening filed a legal request to Qantas stating it believes the airline has failed to reduce the risk of infection to workers, “resulting in infection of a significant number of workers in its operations in Sydney and interstate, and the likely exposure of hundreds more”…

    The sky is falling, Grigs!

  96. johanna

    James Delingpole gets it right again:

    The history of science is littered with examples of vested interests, intransigent or dishonest Establishment shills (such as Stalin’s pet liar Trofim Lysenko), false assumptions, Appeals to Authority, and whopping errors. This is in the nature of science: an ongoing process of trial and error, conducted by flawed human beings who have got to eat and pay the rent.

    That’s why, usually, few governments have ever been so stupid as to entrust vital policy decisions to such people. That way madness lies.

    Yet madness, currently, seems to have been the course most of the world’s great economies have adopted.

    Trust the experts, the politicians tell us.

    But we don’t know these experts. We have no idea whether or not we can trust them or their models. And we certainly never voted for any of them — nor, unfortunately, do we have the ability to boot them out of office when they fail us.

    That’s why we should all be concerned, very concerned about what’s being done to our countries in the name of dispassionate ‘expert’ advice.

    President Trump’s first instincts — as they so often are — were right. ‘We can’t have the cure be worse than the problem,’ he said.

    Amen, Mr President. So, sooner rather than later, please can we have our countries back?

  97. Top Ender

    Tim Minchin is a hater of Christians

    Tim Minchin is the Segway of musicians with causes.

    Promises a lot, and then backs himself over a cliff.

    I hope Pell sues him.

  98. Roger

    Tim Minchin is the Segway of musicians with causes.

    Promises a lot, and then backs himself over a cliff.

    LOL.

    Weren’t we all supposed to be riding Segways now?

  99. cohenite

    In the minds of the Harpics (those so far to the right that they are clean round the bend), calling someone a ‘Communist’ fulfills the same kind of role as ‘takfir’ does for a Salafist – in declaring this they are made no longer part of the body politic, are stripped of their rights and protections, and this basically gives aforesaid Harpic a green light to murder them.

    If I understand the troll’s drivel correctly he’s saying calling a communist a commie is like being a RoP and killing folk.

    FOAD troll you imbecile.

  100. johanna

    I see that Our Lizzie is knee deep in dilemmas about whether or not to cancel her forthcoming holidays.

    Tell it to the small businesses owners who are losing everything, after you have informed the double University medallists, of course.

    One good thing about a crisis, it shakes out the wheat from the chaff.

  101. woolfe

    Glad to see you’re trying to live a normal life Lizzie.

    Personally I would not be travelling anywhere till the whole WhuFlu panicdemic is over.

  102. egg_

    Promises a lot, and then backs himself over a cliff.

    Look at moy!

  103. Leigh,
    I listened to probably 2/3 of Hadley’s show yesterday and was surprised he did not mention Bolt at all even though Bolt accused him on Sky and in Blog column of being a coward.

    Comments I saw online were massively in favour of Bolt and many comments about Hadley being a bully.

    Hadley’s contribution to the Pell story yesterday was to say 10 people had written to him asking about whether Pell’s drive to Sydney was permissable. I suspect he also received many telling him he was a fuckwit.

    Hadley’s show is basically him reading crime reports (particularly about sexual offences) and playing country music. No idea how he deserves $4 million a year.

    His views of the Pell case and comments towards Pell supporters have been disgraceful and indicate the evidence or lack of it was of no interest to him at all.

    Good on his management for reining him in. Even they would have realised he would not win against Bolt on subject of Pell case. Just as importantly they could see him alienating a large proportion of their listeners.

    Bolt was right. Hadley did owe him an apology.

    “Someone mentioned yesterday that Courageous Ray Hadley had dialled back the anti-Pell anti-Bolt fuming of the previous couple of days.
    Speaking to Mrs L’s sisters in Syderney on a hook-up last night.
    Word is he got a warning from station management.
    Followed up by notice in writing that if there was any defamation action arising from his commentary from that point forward he would be deemed to be wholly financially responsible for legal fees and damages.
    Amazing how courage evaporates when it is your own money on the line”.

  104. Farmer Gez

    You won’t be going anywhere this year Lizzie, insured or not.
    You have skills in epidemiology and surely from looking at the global data, you know that June or July are well inside the epidemic curve.

  105. calli

    The Beloved is already looking at holidays next year. He is an eternal optimist.

  106. Top Ender

    The bloke who invented Segways reckoned they would change the world.

    Had some sort of prediction that future cities would be car-free, or something like that.

    Obviously didn’t notice that a) you get wet riding them, b) they are a one-man vehicle, and c) not exactly luggage friendly.

  107. woolfe

    Johanna if Lizzie has the means to live a good life why not?

    Should wear a hair shirt and whip herself because our useless governments have panicked and destroyed the private sector? Surely when or if this is over private sector spending will be the most productive way to try and build back our wealth?

  108. NoFixedAddress

    ScoMo

    This is what we want to do

  109. what are the consequences for our ‘experts’ when they are found to have got the woofloo panic completely wrong?
    A pay rise?

  110. egg_

    Two misfits, thrown together by chance in the middle of the Australian desert, forge bonds in a quest to transport a precious piano from one side of the country to the other.

    Minchin says he worked out for the fillum.
    Can’t have any middleaged paunch with young babes, old boy?

  111. Seven States Mencius

    Brother Andre Marie Episode 223 “Are there any problems with capitalism?” Brilliant economics discussion from a traditional if not paleo-Catholic perspective. A good counterpoint to the Austrian School. Austrian school is fine doctrine on a technical level, but doesn’t pass any sensitivity test. More something to aim for, than to be guided by in the here and now.

  112. johanna

    Time for some joyous music:

  113. rickw:
    Interesting clip about the Swiss/US interactions during WW2. I was unaware the fighting was that extensive.

  114. notafan

    GM

    That is definitely true about the lower windows in Saint Chapelle.

    Not sure about Notre Dame.

  115. Nick

    Netflix
    @netflix
    3h
    The Tiger King and I — a Tiger King after show hosted by Joel McHale and featuring brand new interviews with John Reinke, Joshua Dial, John Finlay, Saff, Erik Cowie, Rick Kirkman, and Jeff and Lauren Lowe — will premiere April 12

  116. notafan

    I have promised to take my sister overseas next year after she finishes chemo, surgery radiation therapy.

    We live in hope

  117. I see last night there was a serious outbreak of music video clips, breaking all previous records. That is probably the reason why my trusty old IPad kept flipping out and I could not get through the page.

    No problem with a few but a bit of self control would help.

  118. Bar Beach Swimmer

    If you cast in from the NSW side is that legal?

    It would have to be because the border is the high water mark on the Victorian side of the Murray.

    https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/25935/NSWVic_v3.pdf

    From page 2: ‘The whole watercourse of the Murray River is within New South Wales…The relevant watercourse is the main channel of 1850, that is: the channel in which the greater flow occurred in 1850…The whole watercourse means the area between the extremities of the banks of the river.

    “Indeed, even in times of flood, it might well be said that they, even then, determine the course of the river itself”
    (Barwick, CJ., Ward Decision)

  119. Siltstone

    incoherent rambler
    #3403794, posted on April 10, 2020 at 10:23 am
    what are the consequences for our ‘experts’ when they are found to have got the woofloo panic completely wrong?
    A pay rise?

    And numerous Orders of Australia and other baubles.

  120. cohenite

    Death rate for the chunk virus in Australia now 0.008% with 52 deaths and 6152 infections most between 20-39 and all deaths over 60 with one in their 50s.

    Germany by comparison has 2607 deaths from 118181 infections for a death rate of 0.022%

  121. Old School Conservative

    NSW public health orders still allow people to move between differen­t places of residence

    As I understand it, this clause was inserted into the NSW Public Health Order to allow divorced couples to move their children between the separate homes.
    Holidays are not recognised as legitimate reasons for travel.

    Just like so much of the official response to the coronavirus, rushed legislation throws up anomalies.

  122. Seven States Mencius

    I have promised to take my sister overseas next year after she finishes chemo, surgery radiation therapy.

    Notafan. I offered to advise a lady who had breast cancer and was booked in for the usual mutilation. She is fine now. Not even worried about it. If you believe modern medical norms represent competence thats just one of these Darwinist moments. But then again I know nothing can be done so I’ll let it go. Unless someone asks me to help them. Always easy to contact.

  123. bundyrum

    Tut tut Calli,
    Stick to the mop & bucket.

  124. mh

    BoJo out of intensive care, but now facing headlines like this

    FRONTLINE TRAGEDY Coronavirus doctor, 53, who warned Boris Johnson about need for ‘urgent’ PPE dies

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11363643/coronavirus-doctor-warned-boris-johnson-ppe-dies/

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the egregious Elizabeth

    Oh dear. My diamonds must be showing … again! As I say, Kryptonite to some.

    The history of words is really quite fascinating and surely of interest to the Latin scholars here. In the case of ‘egregious’ perhaps Cats other than the usual one with claws out may be kindly enough with regard to my good self to incline, albeit less deservedly in my case I am sure, towards the Thomas Hobbes’ original. 🙂

    Definition of egregious
    1: CONSPICUOUS
    especially : conspicuously bad : FLAGRANT
    egregious errors
    egregious padding of the evidence
    — Christopher Hitchens

    2archaic : DISTINGUISHED

    Egregious derives from the Latin word egregius, meaning “distinguished” or “eminent.” In its earliest English uses, egregious was a compliment to someone who had a remarkably good quality that placed him or her eminently above others. That’s how English philosopher and theorist Thomas Hobbes used it in flattering a colleague when he remarked, “I am not so egregious a mathematician as you are.” Since Hobbes’ day, however, the meaning of the word has become noticeably less complimentary, possibly as a result of ironic use of its original sense.

    Examples of egregious in a Sentence
    … the public perception is that too many corporate executives have committed egregious breaches of trust by cooking the books, shading the truth, and enriching themselves with huge stock-option profits while shareholders suffered breathtaking losses.

    I do declare that anything egregious that I have done, or indeed said, which may (or may not) warrant the term as applied to me by ill-wishers who take its modern useage, has never been akin to the appalling lack of probity in the exemplar sentence above.

    Ill-wishers of President Trump often term him egregious, so perhaps it is a badge to be worn with pride.

  126. calli

    Ahhh. I see you now. Thanks.

  127. Leigh Lowe

    egg_
    #3403795, posted on April 10, 2020 at 10:24 am
    Two misfits, thrown together by chance in the middle of the Australian desert, forge bonds in a quest to transport a precious piano from one side of the country to the other.

    Minchin says he worked out for the fillum.
    Can’t have any middleaged paunch with young babes, old boy?

    Bwah ha ha.
    What a come-down.
    Swanned around Hollywood for four years “working” on a “$100m animated project” (that’s bullshit for starters … who spends $100 meg on animation).
    Finally Dreamworks was taken over and new management asked for a look at his homework. All he had was an empty exercise book with a peurile ditty about a guy called Bell (presumably because it rhymes with Hell) and a few dick and [email protected] doodles.
    Terminated.
    On the spot.
    Now he is reduced to scraps from the ABC table and shitty low-budget pay-TV stocking filler schmaltz.

  128. lotocoti

    The manky weather probably means the grepos won’t be checking too many ausweise on the only road to the coast.

  129. Nick

    Ahhh. I see you now.

    They’re a victim of child abuse ?

  130. johanna

    in a quest to transport a precious piano from one side of the country to the other.

    Talk about derivative. A film-maker whom I won’t mention did a fillum about something like that in the jungle a while ago. Hardly a new concept.

    Oh, and what is it about fillum and TV makers and pianos? Watching, as I do, a lot of Brit an US crime shows and movies, the femme or the soulful hero playing the piano happens almost as much as going to the cellar with a guttering candle.

    Growing up, and subsequently, I know almost no-one who regularly plays the piano – and I’m talking the era before electric keyboards. But, the fairies who write and produce this stuff adore it. It even bled into Columbo – one of the best TV crime shows ever.

    I just hit the mute button and go and put the jug on.

    The early cartoons used classical music because it had run out of copyright, so was free. They did it with wit and charm.

    Why ‘artists’ are so fascinated with pianos’ is unknown.

  131. Megan

    Steyn described the Rose Windows as being among the most beautiful human creations he’d ever seen.

    Steyn is absolutely correct. When we still had family living in Paris we were regular visitors and I never missed an opportunity to visit Notre Dame purely for the windows. They take my breath away every single time.
    That said, the windows in the kings chapel in the nearby Saint-Chapelle, are even better. IMHO, your mileage may vary.

  132. Top Ender

    Nothing to do in the Easter break?

    Why not bury a car in your backyard?

    Think of the looks on their faces in 100 years!

  133. calli

    They’re a victim of child abuse ?

    Chuckle. I’m thinking more like an old dictionary definition of something else.

  134. Nick

    Now he is reduced to scraps from the ABC table and shitty low-budget pay-TV stocking filler schmaltz.

    Even better, YouTube likes and the soft handclaps of a guardian readers

    Strange that a guy who had so much to say about Pell being accused of being a kiddy more or lester, earned cash from a series where he is on a road trip with a teenage girl….

  135. Flagrant – it was a typo should have been fragrant, too much perfume

  136. Nick

    Chuckle. I’m thinking more like an old dictionary definition of something else.

    Calli, I think you know where the naughty corner is

  137. johanna

    I do declare that anything egregious that I have done, or indeed said, which may (or may not) warrant the term as applied to me by ill-wishers who take its modern useage, has never been akin to the appalling lack of probity in the exemplar sentence above.

    What a pompous cow you are.

    Signed

    Battler from Queanbeyan

  138. Seven States Mencius

    Germany by comparison has 2607 deaths from 118181 infections for a death rate of 0.022%

    I think we can get it lower. We want to beat the Germans. Outcompete them in a friendly way. A kind of alternative treatment protocol has emerged. Mainly geared on prevention. My view is that dudes like Frank Walker and Tel are pretty much on to it, without being perhaps systematic about it. A doctor I knew from University is on top of it. Lots of people. Starting from Vitamins A and extreme D …. then zinc and zinc enablers …. Any self respecting people ought to try to out-compete the Germans. In a friendly way. Rather than lure them into war, or engage in any other self-hurting foolishness.

    We are acting like deeply disturbed people. Self-harmers. Hell I’ll open my veins, why not. Just to give them some air.

    But we will find that the German result is not independent of German behaviour. And should we wish for a high death rate we can do that also.

  139. calli

    Flagrant fragrance. Has to be Youth Dew. Yikes!

  140. Leigh Lowe

    cohenite

    #3403813, posted on April 10, 2020 at 10:37 am

    Death rate for the chunk virus in Australia now 0.008% with 52 deaths and 6152 infections most between 20-39 and all deaths over 60 with one in their 50s.

    Germany by comparison has 2607 deaths from 118181 infections for a death rate of 0.022%

    Maths Cronkite.
    52 over 6152 is 0.8%, not 0.008%.
    Similarly with the Kraut numbers.
    2,607 deaths from 118,181 is 2.2%, not 0.022%.
    I think you are taking the decimal number and calling it a percentage.
    And the death rate percentage from those showing symptoms can only be measured by …
    Deaths/ (Deaths + Recoveries) x 100/1.
    Not deaths divided by all cases. Some unresolved cases will go on to die.

  141. Nick

    Interesting

    The prevailing view is that the AFL is unlikely to resume the 2020 season until July and that it could start as late as the end of August and still achieve a premiership result.

  142. Tom

    Battler from Queanbeyan

    Thanks, Jo. Laughed out loud.

  143. Tel

    Brother Andre Marie Episode 223 “Are there any problems with capitalism?” Brilliant economics discussion from a traditional if not paleo-Catholic perspective. A good counterpoint to the Austrian School. Austrian school is fine doctrine on a technical level, but doesn’t pass any sensitivity test. More something to aim for, than to be guided by in the here and now.

    https://culturewars.com/podcasts/are-there-problems-with-capitalism

    Might be of interest to Tom Woods, he would enjoy defending Catholicism from Marxism.

  144. Top Ender

    Kevin Rudd outraged to learn no-one cares what he thinks about anything

    Rudd signalled he will write a book about his current experiences.

    “I understand people are doing it tough economically, that’s why I’ll be giving it away for free just like my last book.”

  145. I have promised to take my sister overseas next year after she finishes chemo, surgery radiation therapy.

    We live in hope

    My bride had booked a “sister fix” (she has four surviving sisters) in FNQ where the bulk of them live, when those treatments were done for her. Unfortunately, the arrival of the virus coincided with the end of her treatments, and all the flights etc had to be cancelled.
    The sisters are wonderful bunch – a musician, a nurse, a teacher, and a librarian.
    Together, they form a strong circle of mutual support.
    One died from breast cancer, and another fought and defeated the beast two years ago.
    Both were younger than my wife.
    The problem is in the genes as two aunts on my wife’s mother’s side also succumbed to breast cancer.
    On her oncologist’s advice, my bride was tested for the BRCA1/BRCA2 Gene, mainly to inform our daughters, but was negative for that.

    Keep living in hope.
    Hope and sisters are both great therapy…..

  146. Leigh Lowe

    Bar Beach Swimmer

    #3403810, posted on April 10, 2020 at 10:36 am

    If you cast in from the NSW side is that legal?

    It would have to be because the border is the high water mark on the Victorian side of the Murray.

    True.
    I recall years ago a bloke was shot dead while fishing on the Victorian side.
    Legal argument ensued about jurisdiction. Where was the border? In which state did the murder technically take place? Was it where the victim was hit? Was it where he fell? Was it where the murderer fired from?
    Now, for all those instant legal experts crying “technicality” this week, if this guy had been acquitted because he had been charged in the wrong jurisdiction, that would really be a “technicality”.

  147. Population of China 1.4 bill
    Population of US 320 mill

    Say:
    Xi flu takes out 80% of the population

    China 280 mill
    US 64 mill

    China wins

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Rudd signalled he will write a book about his current experiences.

    “I understand people are doing it tough economically, that’s why I’ll be giving it away for free just like my last book.”

    Translation:-

    I write books.
    No-one buys them.

  149. dopey

    Karen Sweeney. Canberra Times.
    “Although the High Court has overturned his convictions, it cannot overturn public opinion. ”
    ” One of the boys died in 2014, prompting the other to come forward.”
    ” In the eyes of some in the community, Pell is still a guilty man….because he is a senior member of a Church that for decades hid and protected abusers.”
    And of course he remains a divisive figure.

  150. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #3403834, posted on April 10, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Nothing to do in the Easter break?

    Why not bury a car in your backyard?

    Think of the looks on their faces in 100 years!

    Or a caravan.

  151. johanna

    Lizzie, your musings about your future overseas holidays shows a real callousness about what is happening to tens of thousands (at a minimum) of small and medium sized businesses, their owners and employees.

    You’ve slimed your way up the greasy pole, by means we won’t mention.

    If the Sydney Cats regard her as a nice person, you need to have a good look at yourselves.

  152. Nick

    because he is a senior member of a Church that for decades hid and protected abusers.”
    And of course he remains a divisive figure.

    FFS

  153. calli

    China wins

    Especially if XiFlu takes out mostly Chinese elderly.

    I don’t like to think the Chinese were doing a bit of demographic house-cleaning. If they were, they used too small a dilution.

  154. Des Deskperson

    ‘Talk about derivative. A film-maker whom I won’t mention did a fillum about something like that in the jungle a while ago. Hardly a new concept.’

    Wasn’t that also the basic premise of ‘Salad Days’, a rather silly musical from 1954, now best remembered for the ‘Sam Peckinpah’ version.

    I’ve been checking out Minchin on the web and, FMD, his mates are all over him, he’s a polymath genius. On the other hand , his views on society and politics are unintelligent, uninformed, banal and embarrassingly unoriginal.

  155. Winnin, winnin.
    First Pell’s victory over the Lubyanka, and now the arrogant Mayor of Noosa who unilaterally declared “climate emergency” has been chucked out. The local trough snufflers in the Biosphere and the Catchment Authority thought that they had it all wrapped-up for Green control by stealth. You forgot the people morons. Ain’t democracy a bitch. Awww that feels so good.
    The final victory reported today involves the mysterious death rays that have destroyed all facilities belonging to some organisation called ABC. Must have been a kindergarten I guess.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Kalgoorlie’s La Femme Fatale skimpy agency starts Boober Eats takeaway delivery amid bar closures
    PerthNow
    April 9, 2020 4:20PM
    Topics
    Kalgoorlie Miner

    The closure of pubs and clubs has done nothing to deter Kalgoorlie’s skimpies, who have found a creative way to stay employed.

    Taking advantage of the ban on dining out, the scantily-clad barmaids have taken to delivering takeaways in a service they have dubbed — you guessed it — “Boober Eats”.

    The idea was the brainchild of La Femme Fatale skimpy agency operator Natalie Poole, who was trying to find work for her staff who had lost work in the mining city.

    “All the bars have closed so we had to get creative,” she said.

    “I was sitting there having a glass of wine with a friend and we came up with Boober Eats. It was a joke at the start but then it just took off!”

    Users are asked to phone their local restaurant for a pickup order, before calling on Boober Eats.

    For $30 a skimpie will collect the meal and deliver it to the customer, dressed in lingerie or an outfit of their choice.

    “They’ll stay on your drive and have a chat but they’ll be standing 1.5 metres away – 1.5 to stay alive,” Ms Poole said.

    Ms Poole said four skimpies had been struggling to keep up with the huge demand for the service, which isn’t linked to food delivery plaform Uber Eats.

    Only in Kal…

  157. lotocoti

    Crikey.
    The traffic crossing the bridge to Cheapside is heavier than any given Sunday.
    If I knew who my Blockwart was, this could be reported to the proper authorities.

  158. Geriatric Mayfly

    Chartres cathedral is a celebration of glass on every single wall, not just the rose windows E,W,S. Great concern abounds as to the future of this glass. The ingredients used are said to cause the glass to “flow” and thereby thin from the top. (BoN Please Check) It is still unknown how the craftsmen arrived at the colours especially the blues, so replication might be a challenge.

  159. notafan

    Thank you numbers.

    Though

    I don’t value my sisters for their qualifications.

    This one is sweet and kind and generous and sympathetic to the pain of others, even in her own suffering.

  160. notafan

    Chartres cathedral is indeed stunning.

    I think they had just finished the window restorations when I visited.

    I stayed in the 14th century ‘palace’ once owned by Charles V just a hop, skip and jump away.

    Superb.

  161. Nick

    GM,
    It’s a dark, guilty pleasure. I never cease to be amazed by the fact that it was built by peasants 800 years ago.
    When all this blows over, I’ll go to mass there I think.

  162. Seven States Mencius

    This one is sweet and kind and generous and sympathetic to the pain of others, even in her own suffering.

    This is no good winter for chemo.

  163. Boambee John

    incoherent rambler
    #3403854, posted on April 10, 2020 at 11:01 am
    Population of China 1.4 bill
    Population of US 320 mill

    Say:
    Xi flu takes out 80% of the population

    China 280 mill
    US 64 mill

    China wins

    The psychological impact on the survivors would mean that Russia wins (or India more likely).

  164. EvilElvis

    Taiwan targeted medical and police resources into keeping tabs on only the infected and their immediate contacts rather than chasing the entire population. Taiwan saved the heavy fines for the infected who breached quarantine. That’s a logical and sensible use of scarce resources whereas our shotgun approach makes sure the virus can slip out of infected families as plod chases L platers.

    Our virtue locked betters can’t prioritise and can’t discriminate. Therefore we all suffer.

  165. BrettW

    The Oz has been running stories for last 5/6 days about jobs cuts and loss of income in Universities.

    Judging by the comments University leaders and their SJW campuses are not very popular.

  166. Some History

    Where is The Love – Roberta Flack e Donny Hathaway

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS94-_MBjEs
    .

  167. JC

    Get a load of the spread between Brent Crude and West Texas closing price.

    WTI Crude 22.76
    Brent Crude 31.48

    Almost 9 bucks.

    US oil storage must be brimming at the moment.

  168. Some History

    The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face – Roberta Flack


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqW-eO3jTVU
    .

  169. Nick

    Lol

    Controversial celebrity chef Pete Evans is attempting to sell a $15,000 “light machine” through his online store, claiming it contains “thousands of recipes”, one of which can treat “Wuhan coronavirus”.

    The BioCharger NG device is being sold through Mr Evans’s website for $14,990 and is billed as a “hybrid subtle energy revitalisation platform” that uses “four transmitted energies” to “stimulate and invigorate the entire body to optimise and improve potential health, wellness, and athletic performance”.

  170. Geriatric Mayfly

    When all this blows over, I’ll go to mass there I think.

    Nick. Unbeknown to the heathen (lapsed) I stumbled into Chartres on the morning of All Saint’s Day. A full high mass, choir, a whiff of incense and all the liturgical trappings. What struck me most was the locals in attendance with their families, which was reminiscent of the same folk who would roll up at the old weatherboard in Wesburn – now gone after being temporarily bolstered by ‘flying buttresses.’

  171. Nick

    What struck me most was the locals in attendance with their families,

    I loved that on Christmas Day in my French town.
    The sad part was the police guard outside afterwards

  172. cohenite

    I think you are taking the decimal number and calling it a percentage.

    Yes, I should have left off the %.

    And this:

    And the death rate percentage from those showing symptoms can only be measured by …
    Deaths/ (Deaths + Recoveries) x 100/1.
    Not deaths divided by all cases. Some unresolved cases will go on to die.

    No doubt, but I wanted a current comparison which can’t logically include a complete picture regarding recoveries (although a comparison between those who were infected and who recovered would be interesting), the point being Germany is held out as being ahead of the game of reducing deaths (ignoring South Korea and Taiwan) and we’re ahead of Germany.

    The wider picture is the great variation between countries of the effect, both infected and deaths, of the chunk virus. Whether that is due to mutations or differing conditions and responses or a combination is unclear.

  173. calli

    The ingredients used are said to cause the glass to “flow” and thereby thin from the top.

    An interesting article on old glass and its installation.

  174. thefrollickingmole

    Had a slightly different medical here a little while ago.
    2 blokes out fishing after work using some frozen mullet for bait.
    Chucked the bait in a nearby rockpool to thaw a bit while they fished.
    Chap goes to retrieve mullet and gets his thumb savaged by a bloody eel which was lurking under a little ledge/hole in the pool.
    Did a good job, needle hole teeth marks and some complicated little slashes lifting up some flaps of skin.
    Lucky enough not to have hit anything like a tendon though. Bled like a stuck pig.
    Couldnt stitch as it was over the joint and very complicated.
    So its all been washed/disinfected, placed back into alignment and dressed. Provided it doesnt get infected it will be a slow but good heal job.
    Not his ideal “2nd hour of the evening of my last day of 10 days work before 5 days off”…

    His mate went back and dangled a bit of bait at the spot and said 2 eels about .5 m long came out from under the shelf.

  175. Crossie

    Channel Seven will televise the Good Friday services at 3 pm but not the taxpayer funded channel. What’s wrong with this picture? A capitalist owned medium has more respect for Christians than the one whose majority owners are those same Christians.

  176. JC

    The wider picture is the great variation between countries of the effect, both infected and deaths, of the chunk virus. Whether that is due to mutations or differing conditions and responses or a combination is unclear.

    Cronkite,

    The chart I linked to above suggests it’s hugely contagious. They’ve already mapped the mutations and it’s not moving at any great speed to imply legality changes.

  177. notafan

    No SSM it isn’t but it’s a very aggressive form already in the lymph nodes when diagnosed.

    No time to mess about.

  178. Dave in Marybrook

    Some History- can you find Roberta Flack, Compared To What?
    Late night tune….

  179. Geriatric Mayfly

    The ingredients used are said to cause the glass to “flow” and thereby thin from the top. An interesting article on old glass and its installation.

    Who asked you to butt in? I requested BoN’s expertise. Nevertheless, an interesting article Calli. I think most of my residual knowledge derives from an era before those molecule things were invented.

  180. Nick

    Agree, Crossie, that gives me the shits.
    I reckon Fish wore makeup though during last nights’ service. Lol

  181. herodotus

    Recommended: John Anderson and Peter Hitchens discuss the wreckage being inflicted on western democracies by over indulgence in economic and other countermeasures.
    https://johnanderson.net.au/direct-peter-hitchens/

  182. Symptoms of terminal Xi flu, 1 or more symptoms are observed:

    subject exhibits totalitarian behaviour
    subject exhibits irrational behaviour
    subject spends vasts amounts of other peoples money
    subject prevents others from earning a living
    subject cannot distinguish between reality and computer models
    subject punishes and incarcerates those who show none of the above symptoms

  183. Leigh Lowe

    Controversial celebrity chef Pete Evans is attempting to sell a $15,000 “light machine” through his online store, claiming it contains “thousands of recipes”, one of which can treat “Wuhan coronavirus”.

    Jeez.
    I mentioned upthread about Peter Brock’s “energy polarizer” and look what pops up.

  184. 8th Dan

    Hell I’ll open my veins, why not.

    Why not indeed … so go ahead.
    Soon.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    Channel Seven will televise the Good Friday services at 3 pm but not the taxpayer funded channel. What’s wrong with this picture? A capitalist owned medium has more respect for Christians than the one whose majority owners are those same Christians.

    As I refuse to expose myself to the contagion which is the ABC, I wonder what’s happening over on ClassicFM today. Once upon a time in a far away land, they used to broadcast The St Mathew Passion. I imagine that is no longer the case. More likely the wailings of the Muezzin.

  186. Some History

    Some History- can you find Roberta Flack, Compared To What?

    This one?

    Roberta Flack – Compared To What – First Take

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_RvYTfDk8

    Some dazzling bass work, too

  187. Leigh Lowe

    BrettW

    #3403876, posted on April 10, 2020 at 11:14 am

    The Oz has been running stories for last 5/6 days about jobs cuts and loss of income in Universities.

    Judging by the comments University leaders and their SJW campuses are not very popular.

    Yep.
    Not a lot of sympathy for chancellors on $1.2 meg.
    And speaking of industries going down the gurgler, can you point to more than ten academics who spoke out when the cattle export industry was closed overnight by the ABC?

  188. calli

    Who asked you to butt in?

    Um…because I asked the first question about the provenance of the banner.

    The glass question interested me.

    This is an Open Thread, not a private conversation.

    And I’ll make any comment to anyone I want to about any subject I care to until Doomlord smites me.

    And to paraphrase Gandalf, “the courtesy of the Hall has lessened somewhat of late”.

  189. Nick

    As I refuse to expose myself to the contagion which is the ABC,

    I switched over to it to tape a comedy I’ve. Even want8ng to watch, Collingwood losing the 2018 GF.
    In five minutes, I saw more promos featuring indigenous people than a tax payer funded workshop at the UN

  190. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Cardi, I sent to my Dad on SMS

    Very interesting article on the virus.

    Last weekend Donald Trump used his daily White House coronavirus briefings to urge Americans to take hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has not yet been shown to be safe or effective against Covid-19. He was way out of line to do so and it is a great pity he did, because, now, thanks to the reaction by Left wing media such as the Guardian, it is less likely that promising lines of enquiry will be followed up. Note that the Guardian article showed only that the French investigation of hydroxychloroquine treatment was “deeply flawed”. So far it is unknown whether the drug is beneficial or harmful for Covid-19 patients. We may never know. As with climate change, a scientific issue has become completely polarised before proper scientific studies could be completed.

    There is good reason to believe that our present understanding of Covid-19 is dangerously incomplete. This is hardly surprising given the incredible rapidity with which the virus came upon us. Thanks to the speed of present-day communications nation states have done remarkably well in controlling the spread of the virus but the traditional research cycle of grant application to experimental study, to peer-reviewed publication can take many months or even years to complete. It too must be put on an emergency footing and the whole cycle speeded up.

    A recent article circulated on the Web provides some amazing insights which certainly deserve to be followed up. The anonymous author sounds like a pathologist who knows a lot about blood. A lightly edited version is reproduced here

    Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

    In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct, especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

    There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS (Acute Respiratory Address Syndrome). At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing O2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that them, not any oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

    Here’s the breakdown of the whole process. Much
    has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

    Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

    When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver O2 elsewhere.

    Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

    1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s SpO2 ( peripheral capillary oxygen saturation) levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry O2, end of story. Only unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry O2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of O2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

    2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

    Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of O2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

    Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres
    of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough O2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those
    chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

    The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

    Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain (promise I’ll explain why it does so well next). But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

    The story with Hydroxychloroquine

    How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

    No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

    Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP (Positive end-expiratory pressure is the pressure in the lungs above atmospheric pressure) that exists at the end of expiration., you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.

    Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

    1. Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.

    2. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.

    Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.

  191. JC

    Drudge has become worse than awful. It used to be my go to site to catch a breeze and see what’s going on in the world. It’s now absolute crap.

    This is what the site considers to be a top US/world story in heavy type at the top.

    ARCHBISHOP CALLS FOR MASS EXORCISM

  192. Seven States Mencius

    No SSM it isn’t but it’s a very aggressive form already in the lymph nodes when diagnosed.

    No time to mess about.

    Always here if you change your mind but I must sadly walk away. Preparing for Covid and stalling the cancer are a fine mix if you go my way. A perfect intergration. But the priesthood of primitives do not offer such a holistic winning strategy. The cancer is actually a protection against virulent infection. Did you know that? What happens is the lurgies tend to migrate to the cancerous cells, which have an opposite electrical polarity and pH to the healthy ones. So supposing you hadn’t damaged your immune system, and had dealt with the underlying cause behind the cancer? You will be more resilient to the infection than someone not so afflicted. You may be suffering under the burden of the cancer and yet be immune to plagues that are killing all the others.

    But once you adopt the medieval stupidity of the oncologist (poison, fire and sword) then if the cancer doesn’t take you down the covid will.

    I don’t want to be the bringer of bad news. But if the poisoners don’t get to her, the covid will take her clean out.

    We have to get our sovereignty back. Not only from the Chinese. But from the Americans as well. Their Rockefeller medicine empties our pockets, and kills thousands of Australians every year.

  193. An excellent read Zulu Kilo Two Alpha. I have a feeling however it won’t last long. Too much fun involved.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    No doubt, but I wanted a current comparison which can’t logically include a complete picture regarding recoveries (although a comparison between those who were infected and who recovered would be interesting)

    We have those stats for Victoria.
    As of yesterday:
    1,212 cumulative cases.
    465 active cases.
    736 recovered.
    11 died.
    Death rate = 11 / (736 + 11) = 1.5%.
    By all means argue about the ages of those who have died as a case for relaxing lock-down, but that is high compared to regular flu.

  195. JC

    Seven

    Stop preaching dangerous voodoo. Sticking a pin in a fucking rag doll would be equally as efficacious the crap treatments you peddle. Just stop.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    Drudge has become worse than awful.

    JC – Liberty Daily

    You’re welcome! 😀

  197. egg_

    Strange that a guy who had so much to say about Pell being accused of being a kiddy more or lester, earned cash from a series where he is on a road trip with a teenage girl….

    A 19 y.o. actress playing a 13 y.o. FFS.
    Nothing sexual there, move along…

  198. cohenite

    They’ve already mapped the mutations and it’s not moving at any great speed to imply legality changes.

    I don’t know what that means head prefect.

    The RO of the chunk virus is definitely greater than SARs but I’m not so sure about the H1N1, swine flu. Both the chunk virus and influenza are viruses which have major respiratory effects. The swine infected every age group and every one manifested symptoms almost immediately; the chunk virus is weird: it has a large pool of asymptomatic infected, it’s symptoms are delayed and it’s mortality is heavily skewed to the elderly. Influenza mutates fairly quickly; I have not seen anyone who is claiming the chunk virus has mutated; however the chunk virus has 2 key mutations from it’s source, the horseshoe bat virus, RaTG13, with which the chunk virus shares 96% of it’s genetic code. Both those mutations are unlikely to be natural. H1N1 was natural.

    If you can add anything that would be great. In the meantime here is a chart you can stare at for a few hours:

    https://www.ynhhs.org/-/media/images/page-content/ynhhs/16804_yhhhs_covid19_comparision_032220.png?la=en&hash=928C57919450F183AE74F1F2A5449B504139F063

  199. JC

    Excellent Bruce. The setup is almost identical to the turgid drudge site, which makes it easier to get used to.

  200. EvilElvis

    Local Woolies shopping centre closed today. That’s a first.

  201. Dave in Marybrook

    SH that’s the one!
    In was in my hear for years as an earworm, thought it was Flack.

  202. Nick

    A 19 y.o. actress playing a 13 y.o. FFS.
    Nothing sexual there, move along…

    Perhaps if he’d met her at church it would have been different. #twitterstorm

  203. thefrollickingmole

    Bar Beach Swimmer

    A good test would be to see how people placed on blood oxygenation equipment (2 only in WA to my knowledge) fare vs ventilators.
    If that they s right they should crash and burn same as ventilated patients.

  204. Tel

    Starting from Vitamins A and extreme D …. then zinc and zinc enablers …. Any self respecting people ought to try to out-compete the Germans. In a friendly way. Rather than lure them into war, or engage in any other self-hurting foolishness.

    The Germans are total vitamin heads, no one knocks down a bag of supplements faster than a German.

  205. Gilas

    And the death rate percentage from those showing symptoms can only be measured by …
    Deaths/ (Deaths + Recoveries) x 100/1.

    Ahem… actually.. no.
    What you are measuring is an approximation of the incident mortality on fully resolved cases.
    Not all people showing symptoms, and not yet dead, would have recovered. They may be in the early stages of illness and still progress.

    The death rate % is Deaths / Total Cases x 100, adjusted actuarially for the temporal delay between disease onset and full resolution ie. (survived + dead).

    Because this is a probabilistic event – all cases will resolve at different speeds/rates – the statistic is complicated and necessarily inaccurate, best calculated in retrospect.
    How long after? It depends on the normalised distribution of the measured case time-lines, so means and SDs come into it. These appear to be very different among different countries

    The simplest way to look at it is to calculate the area under the curve (AUC) of total deaths (AUC-d), divided by the AUC of total cases (AUC-t) for a set time period, time is the third factor.

    All one can do, even the hallowed so-called “experts”, is to make direct comparisons between different cohorts (countries or sample groups). The true death rate, overall, and in individual groups, is still unknown.

    And that doesn’t even include all the fudging in correctly diagnosing the disease (Bayesian statistical considerations of viral testing) or attributing the exact cause of death. As some discussed yesterday, death certificates are legal instruments, not statements of fact.

  206. Johanna:

    Don’t forget her Health Minister who ignored his own guidelines to take the family for a picnic.
    He wasn’t sacked, just being a silly billy, relieved of some paperwork (a minor Ministry) as a reward.
    Meanwhile, the citoyens get hauled up and fined.

    And it’s not just fined – think how much $1600 is to the average wage earner/pensioner.
    It’s a bloody savage bite. About 17 days income for someone on the OAP.
    Three days for the bastards passing these laws.
    Honestly, I’m really surprised no one has gone apeshit over this.

  207. cohenite

    By all means argue about the ages of those who have died as a case for relaxing lock-down, but that is high compared to regular flu.

    It is; but no where as high as the SARs mortality rate, and MERs was through the roof. However SARs and MERs had a very low RO compared with this latest chunk virus which appears to be at least as high as H1N1, maybe. It’s as if the chunks were experimenting with the corona virus family. Perhaps their next attempt will get it all together.

    The other thing about the chunk virus stats is the asymptomatic strolling around with NY estimates as high as 50% of the declared infected. This chunk virus is seriously weird.

  208. Dave in Marybrook

    Ron Carter on bass- one of the brilliant musical Carters, including Benny and Beyoncé (nee Knowles).
    Bass is probably the hardest to pace and build through a piece, esp as bare boned as this- the brass can come and go with a rising stab, but upright contrabass is a killer. Big distances to cover, with both hands, and a delay between the strike and the onset of the sound-wave means you’ve got to be constantly thinking a second and a half ahead. Christ knows how anyone improvises on one.

  209. Nick

    The Germans are total vitamin heads, no one knocks down a bag of supplements faster than a German.

    A Chinese Olympic swimmer ?

  210. cohenite

    As some discussed yesterday, death certificates are legal instruments, not statements of fact.

    Correct.

  211. 8th Dan

    Always here if you change your mind but I must sadly walk away.

    Good riddance. Bye Peter … saw yer there.

  212. Cardimona:
    I dis a cutnpaste of the article into an Open Office file.
    Not sure if it’s the right one, but it takes about three pages if you want it.

  213. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – The only downside is I get Captcha all the time, probably because VPN and I clear all history and cookies (paranoid, who me?). So I tend to go to Lucianne a lot more, where I don’t have to identify cars, trucks and pedo crossings incessantly.

  214. Seven States Mencius

    Stop preaching dangerous voodoo. Sticking a pin in a fucking rag doll would be equally as efficacious the crap treatments you peddle. Just stop.

    I can see that fear factor has gripped you JC. Look into your heart. Don’t you see that I triggered the fear factor in you? I lost two parents to the poisoners. I was tapped out at that point. I didn’t have a third parent. So from then on in, I have considered getting in the way of their demonic scythe, an act of vengeance upon them, and their well rewarded hatred for science. They live a life that is simply delicious.

    But there is more motives than simple vengeance involved here. Both bad boy super-freak and paternalistic motives.

    These women have beautiful breasts. The breast is the most magnificent invention of evolution or natures God. Because with a blanket and a bit of extra food you can sustain a baby for at least a year just on the basis of the magic of that breast.

    And some fellow with two cars and three houses is just about to mutilate one of those sweet sweet titties. Its very hard for someone who knows what to do, at any budget level, not to try and stop that from happening

  215. Ed Case

    By all means argue about the ages of those who have died as a case for relaxing lock-down, but that is high compared to regular flu.

    But is it high compared to ”regular flu” sufferers who’ve been admitted to hospital?

  216. Fisky

    Taiwan had one new case of C-19 yesterday.
    They have not shut down the shops, schools or small gatherings like our crazed czars.
    Concentrating solely on detection, thorough testing and rigorous monitoring of the infected, they have brought this virus to a halt.

    Easily the most successful country in the world at stopping this virus. The first to impose a travel ban on China, while Bill De Blasio was encouraging New Yorkers to gather in huge crowds and smear faeces all over each other

  217. feelthebern

    Gilas
    #3403940, posted on April 10, 2020 at 11:49 am

    Not perfect, but very good.
    Worthy of a guest post.

  218. JC

    I don’t know what that means head prefect.

    It’s Head Coach. Look, I speak in plain English, if you don’t understand that they’re currently mapping the China Bug’s mutation/dna and appear to have a handle on this, I don’t know how I can possibly help you anymore.

    The rest of you missive is you trying to explain that it’s similar to this and that flu type. You idiot, I’ve already said the china bug symptoms are similar and there’s nothing there to debate.
    The difference, as I said, is that it appears to be really fucking contagious and although the symptoms are similar to the flu beasts, it can be 5 to 8 times worse than flu variations.
    Stop trying to pretend your one sort of virologist. The only thing about you is your obsession with the male apendage and ghey sex. That’s the closest your get to understanding virile ogy as you have it all confused.

    By the way, any strange book titles of late as you haven’t come up with any. That’s very entertaining.

  219. Jessie

    On 26/9/2019…………… in reference to the motion passed 13/10/2016
    The Hon. DON HARWIN:
    ………..

    When in the chair I thought long and hard about whether I should rule the motion out of order, given the language that was used. But as the Hon. Mark Latham said, it was not about a member of this Chamber—in which case it clearly would have been ruled out of order. It was about another person. There is a difficult balancing act involved and occupants of the chair must consider these issues all the time. As Chair, do you preserve a member’s right to free speech—after all, any member of the House could have objected on formality—or do you take your own personal views into account and wipe out the motion because you think it is the wrong thing for the House to do and will bring it into disrepute? I erred on the side of the honourable member’s free speech, given that the House did have the chance to knock it out had it wanted to do so.

    ………………..

    Source:
    26/9/2019 The Hon. MARK LATHAM (16:15): I move:
    1.That this House notes its resolution of 13 October 2016 in which it stated that it agreed with those who had described Mr Donald Trump as “a revolting slug unfit for public office” …………..

    The Hon. DON HARWIN (Special Minister of State, Minister for the Public Service and Employee Relations, Aboriginal Affairs, and the Arts, and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (16:20): I cannot promise to be nearly as entertaining as the Hon. Mark Latham in my speech. But I will put a couple of things on the record. The motion that was passed was adopted as formal business without debate because no-one objected.

  220. feelthebern

    As some discussed yesterday, death certificates are legal instruments, not statements of fact.

    This will be the key point that gets argued by those who protect the lockdowns versus the non-retarded.

  221. johanna

    For many years, I have phoned the old man on Good Friday, singing ‘Easter time is da time fo eggs, and da time fo eggs is Easter time.’

    See below.

    Today it was apparent that his brain connections are not working very well for the first time. He was born in 1927.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvd4x7

  222. egg_

    Two misfits, thrown together by chance in the middle of the Australian desert, forge bonds in a quest to transport a precious piano from one side of the country to the other.

    “A Fistful of Dollars Lollies”.

  223. BrettW

    Listening to Alan Jones podcast from today.

    At 57 mins in he has a 3 mins spray about the Federal Civil Service not making any sacrifices and mocks their 6 month pay freeze. Mentions NSW and VIC also and Andrews $40,000 pay rise.

    Keep it up Alan.

    Followed by Peta Credlin with her first comments being a swipe at the Pell case and VICPOL.

  224. Jessie

    Legislative Assembly Hansard – 13 October 2016
    13/10/2016

    Legislative Council Hansard – 26 September 2019
    26/9/2019

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You have skills in epidemiology and surely from looking at the global data, you know that June or July are well inside the epidemic curve.

    True enough, Farmer Gez. I can certainly read the epidemiology, the good and the bad of it. And take an educated guess at the administrative response likely (and there’s the rub). I’ve mostly squashed any hope of travel in June, and while July may be possible, I am worried re the Sri Lankan medical system. Travelling in the US at the start of the curve was just tenable, but travel in the Third World when it is still going is not too interesting.

    Once it is possible to travel though, with the lifting of government edicts against it, we will be on the move again, rest assured. Thus June in the Cook Islands is still a faint possibility, but not likely. We’d make our own decisions about the relative risk then. As we did previously, re the Panama cruise. Sadly, the cruise seems to have been stopped abruptly in Mexico and 700 people shunted near an airport that could carry them back to the US (no hope it if had gone on to Guatemala) due to Holland America needing our virus-free ship to collect healthy passengers from the stricken one down near Argentina. That’s the picture that seems to be coming out from ship movements since then. Shame. It was a good cruise with no problems. Glad we got at least a short trip down to the Florida Keys and then a good visit with my elderly aunt and family in the Bayous of Louisiana.

  226. Bar Beach Swimmer

    The problem is in the genes as two aunts on my wife’s mother’s side also succumbed to breast cancer.
    On her oncologist’s advice, my bride was tested for the BRCA1/BRCA2 Gene, mainly to inform our daughters, but was negative for that

    Numbers, my mother died from breast cancer 15 years ago. She was one of 12 siblings, 5 of which were females. My sister and I were concerned at the time that we may follow her fate.

    One of my mother’s sisters also had breast cancer and I’m pleased to say over came the disease and is still alive today. Also, the daughter of another sister has had breast cancer and is still with us. While one of my mother’s aunts died of the disease.

    My mother’s specialist oncologist explained that at that stage (and it is still the case as I write) because all of the cases were post menopausal and there was no direct mother-daughter relationship with any of these cases there was nothing to suggest a genetic inheritance. (While new research may have revised that position), from your anecdote your wife’s family reflect my own.

  227. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You have skills in epidemiology and surely from looking at the global data, you know that June or July are well inside the epidemic curve.

    True enough, Farmer Gez. I can certainly read the epidemiology, the good and the bad of it. And take an educated guess at the administrative response likely (and there’s the rub). I’ve mostly squashed any hope of travel in June, and while July may be possible, I am worried re the Sri Lankan medical system. Travelling in the US at the start of the curve was just tenable, but travel in the Third World when it is still going is not too interesting.

    Once it is possible to travel though, with the lifting of government edicts against it, we will be on the move again, rest assured. Thus June in the Cook Islands is still a faint possibility, but not likely. We’d make our own decisions about the relative risk then. As we did previously, re the Panama cruise. Sadly, the cruise seems to have been stopped abruptly in Mexico and 700 people shunted near an airport that could carry them back to the US (no hope it if had gone on to Guatemala) due to Holland America needing our virus-free ship to collect healthy passengers from the stricken one down near Argentina. That’s the picture that seems to be coming out from ship movements since then. Shame. It was a good cruise with no problems. Glad we got at least a short trip down to the Florida Keys and then a good visit with my elderly aunt and family in the Bayous of Louisiana.

  228. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You have skills in epidemiology and surely from looking at the global data, you know that June or July are well inside the epidemic curve.

    True enough, Farmer Gez. I can certainly read the epidemiology, the good and the bad of it. And take an educated guess at the administrative response likely (and there’s the rub). I’ve mostly squashed any hope of travel in June, and while July may be possible, I am worried re the Sri Lankan medical system. Travelling in the US at the start of the curve was just tenable, but travel in the Third World when it is still going is not too interesting.

    Once it is possible to travel though, with the lifting of government edicts against it, we will be on the move again, rest assured. Thus June in the Cook Islands is still a faint possibility, but not likely. We’d make our own decisions about the relative risk then. As we did previously, re the Panama cruise. Sadly, the cruise seems to have been stopped abruptly in Mexico and 700 people shunted near an airport that could carry them back to the US (no hope it if had gone on to Guatemala) due to the cruise company needing our virus-free ship to collect healthy passengers from the stricken one down near Argentina. That’s the picture that seems to be coming out from ship movements since then. Shame. It was a good cruise with no problems. Glad we got at least a short trip down to the Florida Keys and then a good visit with my elderly aunt and family in the Cajun Bayou swamps of Louisiana.

  229. JC

    The simplest way to look at it is to calculate the area under the curve (AUC) of total deaths (AUC-d), divided by the AUC of total cases (AUC-t) for a set time period, time is the third factor.

    Gilas, that is worthwhile, but it’s astonishing we still only have a few studies that have been roughly randomized in order to figure out better stats.

    Reason mag worked with a few studies to figure out what’s going on in the total population. They used a tiny stat from Telluride and Iceland and even these are pretty meager. Their estimate is that 3.6 million Americans have it or had.

    Here:

    Mass Antibody Testing in This Rural Colorado County Sheds Light on COVID-19’s Prevalence and Lethality
    The number of Americans who have been infected by the virus, which seems to be much higher than the official tally suggests, is crucial to understanding how deadly it is.

  230. thefrollickingmole

    ASX up 150 points this morning based on Kal skimpies offering Boober deliveries and a surge in backyard camping.

  231. 8th Dan

    Listening to Alan Jones podcast from today.

    At 57 mins in he has a 3 mins spray about the Federal Civil Service not making any sacrifices and mocks their 6 month pay freeze. Mentions NSW and VIC also and Andrews $40,000 pay rise.

    Keep it up Alan.

    Is Alan taking a pay cut?

  232. Johno

    A QLD man has been intercepted at the QLD border with 93 KG of marijuana and $4000. The halfwit was in a ute, towing a trailer, he had the mary jane in open shopping bags in the trailer. How did he think he would get away with it?

  233. Top ender:

    Nothing to do in the Easter break?
    Why not bury a car in your backyard?
    Think of the looks on their faces in 100 years!

    Possibly an impromptu septic tank.
    Still seen in certain way out communities in Australia.
    Bury two wrecks on their sides, run water/sewage pipe into the semi enclosed space, level off with dirt.
    Plant tree.
    Redo in 70 years time.

  234. Farmer Gez

    8th Dan
    #3403983, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:12 pm
    Listening to Alan Jones podcast from today.

    At 57 mins in he has a 3 mins spray about the Federal Civil Service not making any sacrifices and mocks their 6 month pay freeze. Mentions NSW and VIC also and Andrews $40,000 pay rise.

    Keep it up Alan.

    Is Alan taking a pay cut?

    How about yourself?
    What is your job by the way?

  235. Bar Beach Swimmer

    thefrollickingmole
    #3403938, posted on April 10, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Mole, best not direct any medical/scientific questions/hypotheses to me as I have no knowledge or training in those fields. (My only comment was the note I attached to the SMS to my dad) I was just was answering Cardi’s request for a copy.

  236. cohenite

    Jessie
    #3403971, posted on April 10, 2020 at 12:03 pm
    Legislative Assembly Hansard – 13 October 2016
    13/10/2016
    Legislative Council Hansard – 26 September 2019
    26/9/2019

    Thanks Jessie. Latham is a treasure and the greens who moved this original motion calling Trump a grub should be destroyed; the lazy, stupid LNP just need to whipped.

  237. Mater

    By all means argue about the ages of those who have died as a case for relaxing lock-down, but that is high compared to regular flu.

    Is the validity of the lockdown really influenced by the current death rate?

    Ask yourself, what would we be forced to do if the medical professionals came out tomorrow and stated categorically; “There will be no vaccine for COVID-19”?

    Lockdown indefinitely?

    What would we do after 18 months of lockdown if (after the economy is nothing but dust) they say the same thing?

    No, the problem with the shutdown is having all the eggs in one dubious basket, and a very expensive one at that.
    Is anyone thinking of a resolution that doesn’t involve a vaccine? I think they should.

  238. Nick

    How did he think he would get away with it?

    It was an Aldi shopping bag

  239. feelthebern

    Grigs has previously posted that he is a doctor with “rooms”.

  240. 1735099

    Thanks, Bar Beach Swimmer, for that.
    In the case of the sister who died, the onset was pre-menopausal.

  241. egg_

    Mum of coronavirus-hit nurse, 29, who died alone at home says ‘we couldn’t have wished for a better daughter’

    Rather obese.
    How unfit are these Medics who are dying?
    Johnson’s not the fittest looking PM, either.

  242. feelthebern

    Iceland is an example that needs further study.
    As is the Diamond Princess.
    As is the Ruby Princess (ex the unloading to bump up NSW’s terribly low numbers).
    If this was a real war (ScoMo’s words), the ongoing studies of the Ruby Princess (the only one of the 3 in Australian jurisdiction) would be invasive & ongoing.
    But as it isn’t, there are not.

  243. Leigh Lowe

    Is the validity of the lockdown really influenced by the current death rate?

    Ask yourself, what would we be forced to do if the medical professionals came out tomorrow and stated categorically; “There will be no vaccine for COVID-19”?

    Oh, I agree that the lockdown is grossly overcooked, inconsistent and seems to target activities that our betters deem to be unsavoury (eg fishing).
    I just think we need to be careful calculating and quoting stats.

  244. thefrollickingmole

    Good article by VDH on their countries musings on China.

    This struck me.

    Does the U.S. really need almost 15,000 people flying in from China each day? At a time when American students owe $1.5 trillion in student loans, it is smart to have some 360,000 Chinese students enrolled in U.S. colleges? Is it safe to fund hundreds of labs on university campuses that conduct joint research with Chinese academics?

    Apparently Australia has something like 2.5 million in some form of “education”.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/430276/number-of-chinese-students-in-australia-by-education-sector/
    Number of Chinese students in Australia 2010-2019, by education sector
    Published by L. Granwal, Mar 2, 2020
    There were more than two million Chinese students in Australia in 2019, with approximately 1.7 million enrolled in the higher education sector alone.

    Surely this is wrong?

    Another source come out at a much lower and probably accurate figure.
    https://monitor.icef.com/2019/11/australian-international-student-enrolments-up-11-through-september-2019/
    Australia is once again on its way to double-digit growth in international student numbers for 2019, with 720,150 students enrolled across various sectors as of September 2019, a 11% increase over the same time the previous year. This growth reconfirms Australia’s position as the second-most popular destination in the world for study abroad, after only the US.

    Ive also noticed while the petri dish of the seas and various cruise ships are trumpeted as virus vectors there has been no similar tabulating of overseas fly ins and their particular groupings beyond place of origin.
    Its a bit “dog that didnt bark” for my liking.
    Or am I being paranoid in thinking they arent going to single out returning “students” for fear of costing the visa factories/unis money?

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